19 years later and still no game can compete to pic related...

Go fuck yourself with your shitty hipster mentality, loser

Thief 2? I love Deus Ex but I found the emergent scenarios that unfolded when playing Thief 1 and 2 (when not save-scumming - that completely ruins the experience) were transcendent. Plus I think the level design is kinda better, sure you can approach every single level using multiple different strategies and playstyles in DX but even though Thief is only designed for stealth the level design is even more intricate, sprawling and open-ended. The bank level alone has more sprawling level design than almost all of Deus Ex.

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What would it have to say about you anons?

name an actual influential masterpiece then nigga

>(branching, with lots of choices when it comes to approaches)
I wouldn't say lots for the vast majority of the game

Human Revolution

WE'RE 100% BLACK

I personally liked the conversation with Helios at the end of the game, before you choose which path to take.

I like the concept of thief but when it introduced ghosts and zombies it turned me off

What emergent scenarios? Deus EX has a simulation in which Unatco soldiers and NSF can start fighting, you can provoke conflicts between different groups in Hong Kong and also regarding the bank level, yes it’s big and sprawling but most of it is just empty space with pieces of loot that you don’t even have to collect, you can just go to the basement, open the vault and enter the bank through the roof and read where the mechanists’ room in the vault is and then just simply enter the vault. The gameplay does not support all this “sprawling”. If there were more objectives and you’d have to enter a lot of rooms to do something then yes. Chaos theory had that: a very small and linear Level in comparison to thief, but you have an environment that you traverse through completely because it’s packed with all sorts of objectives, it feel more beefy in comparison to Thief 2’s bank

Awful game desu

That's why I said Thief 2. It largely cuts out the zombies and supernatural elements. There's still a couple of them in there (I'm talking like 5 zombies in the entire game at most) but they're few and far between and are more there as Easter eggs. Instead all of Thief 2's levels are heist based mostly against human guards. Plus the level design is way improved from the first game. All levels are based on real-ish, functional spaces in contrast to the first games supernatural, chaotic labyrinths

Seriously if you've only played the first game and tapped out after getting sick of the zombies give Thief 2 a try. It's possibly everything you're actually after.

Space Station 13

I tried to replay it but I'm getting insane FPS drops in some areas for some reason and it makes the game unplayable.

Use Kentie's launcher and a new renderer. Deus Ex as well as most Unreal engine games don't like modern operating systems.

yeah the unatco route got snipped, you were originally supposed to be able to stay with the agency if you wanted.
but Deus Ex's development was... lets call it ambitious, warren spector has stories he can tell about that.

It did the "pick your ending in the last location" even better than the original, though. Spared you from extra legwork when reloading from the last save to see different endings.

Metal Gear Solid

system shock 2, and thats even with your epic meme parameters you just invented. deus ex was too ambitious for how little of it actually panned out. the rpg mechanics are "okay", the combat is a complete shitshow, the augmentations are barely a part of the gameplay and the stealth is very bad

Deus Ex: different endings require different actions and interaction with different characters
HR: lol press button see cutscene
Yeah way “better”, bro

Let's not suck our own dicks here, System Shock 2 is set up in such a way that you can spec into something and then never see that shit for the rest of the game, and while I know they did it for practical reasons the whole "your always slightly too late to actually see anyone alive" thing grated on me.

nice bait

What the fuck am I reading? SS2 has much more meaningful builds and RPG mechanics than any of the deus ex games, the only stats that could even remotely fit that description are supplementary stats like repair which are more useful when you have prior knowledge of the game and not necessarily necessary like other supplementary stats to X builds like maintenance or hacking

boku no pico

you mean the meaningful builds and systems where you need to do research to swing a fucking spikey crystal? infact lets just call all exotic weapons in that game what they are, dissapointing time and resource vampires but I digress.
thats a game where your better off just dumping everything you get into combat skills, the only choice your making is do I go full gun or do I grasp the ball and shoot mind bullets.

sometimes i just play the unatco theme on loop for hours

research is one of the more useful supplementary stats since it lets you do more damage across the board to all enemies of which organs you can research, meanwhile deus ex has actually useless stats like swimming. Inb4 some mouthbreather who unironically only plays gmdx and attributes the way some fucking mod works to actual deus ex

Environmental Training is a genuinely good skill. It costs almost nothing to max out and can replace 4-5 augs/skills completely.

Congratulations, you've successfully missed sarcasm while applying some of your own.

>and RPG mechanics
How do they expand your role-playing options?

i like MGS but Deus Ex is the better game

>actually useless stats like swimming
There are at least four locations where swimming makes your life a lot easier. No, in the first one you don't get a rebreather yet.
That's not to say swimming is a good skill to invest into unless you have spare points, but it's absolutely not "actually useless".

how the fuck dont they mouthbreather? try actually playing SS2 before asking such a retarded question, its retarded just how much the game changes based on your build

This game aged like a cum stained fleshlight and plays like clunky garbage nowadays. Take off your nostalgia goggles.

BotW

You seem upset for some reason. Which deck should I make a screenshot on? Which gun should I be wielding? I've got pistols, laser pistols, shotguns obviously and two grenade launchers. A bunch of crystals as well. Can't use ARs yet and don't plan on using the notlightsaber.

games don't age zoomer

My only real problem with the game was no option to side with UNATCO instead of Paul. I can see how it would have taken a lot of work to write 2 different stories though.

Go with the times you fucking dinosaur. We would still use quills and ink if insecure faggot /pol/trannies like you were in charge.

Are you braindead? Had you ever played SS2 youd know that you cant even equip a basic pistol without standard weapons training. You can be a researcher with high STR wrenching everything to death or a full psi character that teleports around using soma transference, turning enemies against eachother and shooting fireballs. Even the standard weapons/ hacking playstyle is more complex than anything in deus ex since you have to maintain your weapons and manage the amount of cyber affinity in conjunction with your mechanical skills. In deus ex your special agent just aims like a mouthbreather unless youre speccing into the stats which is one of the most unsatisfying applications of RPG mechanics imaginable since abstractions like "the dice says it didnt hit" dont work in a fully 3d game masked as a first person shooter/ stealth hybrid

>mouthbreather
Is that your favourite word? Something bullies in school called you? Mate, you completely misunderstand what role-playing is for someone acting so high and mighty. Unless you consider Counter-Strike a fucking RPG just because you are limited to a certain set of equipment.

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tell everyone what makes deux ex more of an rpg than ss2

Invisible war

>funny meme man makes review of game on youtube
>zoomers pile on game and claim it's the best thing ever
I swear to God you underage shits would only know about Fortnite if you weren't spoonfed by this Europeasant and his cringy videos.

literally who?

take your meds

imagine being this new

>not a single soul ITT has posted New Vegas

Player's choices affecting how your character progresses through the game. And before you go into another autism spree, no, whether you shoot someone with a shotgun or a grenade launcher is not one of those choices or we'll have to call DOOM an RPG.
Deus Ex allows progressing through some areas differently based on previous choices like sparing a character's life or allying/breaking up with a faction. The same kinds of choices that allows to avoid some parts of the game entirely.
Then you have different barely consequential things, essentially fluff, like with Jock. But they still add to the player's character being developed. Unlike the order in which you listen to audio logs or which weapon you use to blow a notzombie's head apart.

SS2 is a great game. Very good gameplay, excellent atmosphere, good writing and general plot. But role-playing is limited to next to nothing. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I like SS2 for what it is. Would an SS2 with branching paths and actual characters be better? I think it would've been significantly different and possibly just as good in its own way.

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I'm a zoomer who played Deus Ex on my own accord 3 years ago after enjoying Dishonored. It is still one of the greatest games of all time.

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>the "rpg" mechanics that make deus ex better are all non interactive story based meme gimmicks while SS2 gives you true emergent gameplay based on an RPG system

yeah, im thinking deus ex is only hailed as the better one by the cancer movie generation

>all non interactive story based meme gimmicks
Dialogue is non-interactive? Choosing which path to walk/run through, or whether to ignore someone is non-interactive? Wew. Be salty if you want, but that's pathetic, dude.

Why are you forcing us to pit two greats together? You are an illuminati false flag attempting to sew discord within the public in order to distract us from far greater threats.

>i-it's not true, y-you asshole
Go kill yourselves you mentally unstable nazi shemales.

I always forget that JC is that young, he looks older

look at the op post

>Choosing which path to walk/run through
>Deus Ex allows progressing through some areas differently based on previous choices like sparing a character's life or allying/breaking up with a faction

you arent choosing shit, youre in your wannabe dungeon masters laughably constrained bidoo game RPG and it perfectly exposes why SS2 is a masterpiece and deus ex isnt. SS2 knew its limits and gave you a true role playing experience, deus ex tries to be what it cant be and the result is extremely limited non interactive "story" focused branching path choices that are dime a dozen in videogames

You're just envious that us zoomers still have time to transition and look beautiful.

Doesn't matter how much you dilate.

A system shock where you're allowed to make the choice to emphasize with SHODAN, and human survivors/off-site antagonists and other obsticles become prominent would be incredibly interesting.
Something like the setup in 2 where SHODAN is never in complete control and needs you as her get shit done avatar, but can sometimes intervene on your behalf via security reroutes, small droid/cyborgized allies(knowingly allying with lobotomized former humans sounds pretty fucking morbid though) or other remote assistance.

People have been saying that Deus Ex is GOAT way before the ohyeayea shit. At least here

he's augmented

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Oh you're just a pleb? Got it

It was the case everywhere for awhile, but in the 10s the "journalists" making all the memelists kept pushing other shit like bioshock infinite and undertale to make a point.

SS2 and Deus Ex are RPGs with the RPG building focused on opposite ends, almost symmetrically.

SS2 offers a better linear experience with the emergent gameplay existing moment to moment but that's because it restricts the player so heavily. Deus Ex offers narrative and gameplay choice that allows the player to plot their path through levels as necessary. One builds emergent gameplay by being cutting off options, the other by being open-ended. Each works better for their respective goals- horror RPG and action RPG. SS2 has better individual lines but Deus Ex makes a much more compelling overall argument. Deciding a "superior" game is fruitless.

Personally, I don't think immersive sim fans can afford to debate which of the 4 fucking 451 games we have is best. Unless System Shock 3 turns out okay (unlikely), we're not getting that good shit ever again.

>knowingly allying with lobotomized former humans sounds pretty fucking morbid though
I'm sure a good writefag could justify it. Extenuating circumstances and all that.

All this reminds me of Nox, one of my favourite games which even its creators don't care about for some reason. Supposedly it's a paltry "Diablo-clone" but the original Westwood couldn't help but apply some TLC to it so the game pretty much radiates that special kind of warmth.
But it's completely fucking linear. You get to play some different segments depending on the chosen class, but the key areas are the same and the plot is the same and even every major character has the same fate (the PC plays slightly different roles in those scenarios, again, depending on class). But I can't help and wonder what could have been.

Whch one is more soulless, human revolution or mankind divided ?

HR has more soul

POSTAL 2.

Doesn't change the fact that you shit eating zoomers suddenly ride the nu-retro bandwagon just because your favourite e-celeb made a video out of it.

I've had that thrown at me for other games several times. In all cases I didn't even know who the fuck they were talking about, much less watched whatever video they said I did.
Most of the time, it seems like you guys playing that card, dickride streamers and ecelebs harder than anyone you accuse of it.

HR has a full storyline and is probably the better of the two. It's better to play HR, MD and then DX1, since you'll notice the change in design philosophy between the two.

I swear to God you pica patients would consider Morrowind the best flawless masterpiece of all time if your zoomertuber would make a video about it.

He's just baiting you. Don't waste your long zoomer life on this old bat.

>better OST
it sounds like Unreal leftovers
youtube.com/watch?v=Bd67viF7Q54

>long zoomer life
Not with that bright future for humanity ahead.

Deus Ex is still the best game of all time, but KOTOR 2 had better dialogue.

Is this the oh yeah yeah game?

It's "OH YES" you fucking Yea Forumsegan.

So, the oh yeah yeah game then?

>post Anor Londo
I never got why people say this. AL itself is already shit design. There are so many things wrong with even just the first 5 mintues of the area that I don't know where to begin.

Mankind Divided? But only for level design part. Definitely the best hub I've ever saw in gaming. Other levels are quite interesting too.
DX1 is cool, but a bit plain by modern standards. HR got the same problem. MD brought the world and level detail to a new whole level.

take your meds granpa you're having delusions againsky

>I never got why people say this.
because of the way its hyped up in the game/ how it looks/ ornstein and smough. Mechanically its one of the worst parts of the whole game

Because the level design and OST in New Vegas is absolute trash and isn’t what the game is known for. I guess you have an argument for memorable dialogue but I know which game gets quoted more.

Consult a clinician you coprophagic cunt.

I mean i think Halo is pretty good, but its for consoles so i'm not sure it can be judged in the same contexts of graphics but it has a level of storytelling, narrative, character arcs and memorable dialogue that has definitely stuck with the gaming industry and id argue that halo is one of the most influential games ever along with half-life and doom.

What the fuck are you talking about retard? What e-celeb, what video?

Also not to mention the OST of halo is incredible enough to be memed

He is probably talking about Sseth, a literal Jew living in Denmark pandering to zoomers.

youtube.com/watch?v=pC5niDwkaV8

I'd think most of sseth's watchers have already played Deus Ex though? It's not like he's a zoomer fortnite youtuber

The New Vegas OST is great, but yes I'll give you it's probably not as good as Deus Ex's. And I didn't mean to imply New Vegas has the same quality of level design as Deus Ex, but it has more memorable quests and multiple ways to play through them.

Also you can't forget Deus Ex dialogue is basically a meme as well. "A bomb" and "what a shame" aren't exactly quoted because they're such great art

I just got Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and it sucks.

I liked it. But then I also liked HR.

I can't really remember most of the dialogue in NV, and I've played through it an ungodly amount of times.
I remember god damn near every quest interaction in the game if I think about it, but only the interaction happening - none of the actual conversation was that memorable other than fucking around with general bigbritches at the end if you were going house route, and trolling tabitha on the radio.

I think the user meant influential in a positive way, not negative. Everything MGS popularized made the industry worse. Every single thing.

Haven't you ever wanted to explore one city block in Prague?

My opinion of Deus Ex rather lowered once I finally got around to doing a psychopath playthrough
>murder everyone in sight
>once your allies' apoplexy wears off, they go right back to business without even mentioning you just killed their cronies in front of them
95% of the wanton slaughter you can commit was clearly not expected by the devs. Makes me wonder why they even let you do it in the first place.

Because it's fun

Let me guess:
-The story sucks because you ignored 95% of the game's content and focused solely on finishing the campaign
-The ending sucks because all you did was defeat the bad guy who was the antagonist the whole campaign and you ignored everything written around the main conflict of the story
-The atmosphere sucks because everything doesn't take place in the middle of the night
-It's SJW garbage because it's possible to discover that one of the characters is gay married
-Missions suck because you didn't touch the side content.
-Performance sucks because it has Denuvo
-City hub sucks because it's a small slice with tons of detail and several variations just like Warren Spector wanted, instead of a huge slice with no detail and no variations or several huge slices that are empty shit

Probably because its potential wasn't fully realized. If you have to cut corners you're more likely to leave "the hero path" among the two (or more) available.

I still hate how the new deus ex games have no flamethrower weapon. Doesn't give me an excuse to replay them again.

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but it does, theres 1 in HR

Unusable though?

I don't think there is. Not seeing an weapon entry for it in the wikis.

Kill yourself faggot, we've been having deus ex threads since day one

prove it

And I'm pretty sure Thief, System Shock and Deus Ex have been having the same friendly slap fight amongst themselves ever since the first vidya discussions took place on this board