So apparently two puzzle games I was really looking forward to (Superliminal and Manifold Garden) announced last week...

You're retarded mate. Yea Forums talked about Outer Wilds, another indie 3D puzzle game, a fuckton and we all pretty much pirated that.

EGS is the indie dev filter that reveals a studio's true colors at least
I hate the store with a passion and will never use it, but you gotta admit it's doing a really good job at ousting indies that are insecure about their game's success, even worse is that there's a general push against crunch time in game development yet they have no qualms accepting Fortnite money built upon crunch time of their employees

You might have luck if you create a thread without mentioning or even hinting at EGS at any capacity, but you're right that most on Yea Forums hate Epic with a passion so there are even fewer people on here that could possibly contribute to discussion

just pirate them lmao, he already paid for your copy

Hate them? But Tim just bought your copies for free. Go on lad, they're on Tim.

>discussion will be a damned ghost town like all EGS exclusives are
realistically speaking, where will all the discussion for EGS exclusives happen anyway? I never see EGS games discussed here and I don't visit gaming forums or go out of my way to find one

This. The dev got their paycheck with their exclusivity agreement. The only one making money now is purely Epic.

The dev got supported while you fuck over the publisher. Win-win.

Censorddit

Depends on the game. Control gets discussed a lot by virtue of being a Remedy game.

And I have no doubt that the big releases on the EGS which is BL3 and Outer Worlds will see a lot of discussion as well. I don't know about the other games though. They were all pretty much dead in the water when it comes to threads here on Yea Forums.

>reveals a studio's true colors at least
Never thought about it like that. I hate the store and mostly I hate the smug devs taking the money and shitting on backers and a lot of small devs show that.
I love Oddworld and when I heard it was on Epic I was disappointed but the devs were honest and didn’t think they were above all else. I’ll just buy it on console or pirate for now since I don’t know if Oddworld Soulstorm is time for permanent exclusive.

b-but user, come buy the game on EGS, it's 88/12 in favor of the devs, don't you want to support them?

Pirating is not ok, you wouldn't rob a gamestop... support devs whose games you like so they can continue making good games.

I think the biggest issue is the fact that devs are getting paid before actually finishing their games, what's the point of finishing/fixing a game when there is no motivation behind it? Just half-ass the thing and go do something else, you'll already got paid anyway.

But Timmy Forkknife is already supporting them for me.

But the devs alteady did get supported through the exclusivity agreement. Nothing we do will make a noticable difference in their paycheck, only Epic's paycheck. And fuck publishers completely.

That's not what "publisher" means, tourist. Please lurk some more before posting.

Post the dog

Considering the amount of sales devs get anyways just releasing something as early access, I don't think this really changes much.

This is bad. Only Steam should be allowed to sell PC games because Gabe Newell is based and Half-Life is a good series that deserves its high level of praise. Paid mods and loot crates are both great ideas.

I mean paying exclusivity is just as shitty as Early Access, and EA is already a cancerous practice.

just pirate them like i did for journey

What? Epic is paying them to exclusively PUBLISH and market the game on their platform. How is that not being a publisher in every sense of the word?

is there a way to read IN DETAILS how exactly does the Epic exclusivity deal works? are they guaranteed a specific amount of money upfront but all of the money made from the sales will go to Epic until the devs repay in full the amount they were granted? I don't think Epic would constantly operate at a loss, they can't give that much money all the time without getting something in return

Do you realize that it's normal for game developers to get paid before a game's release? In fact, in most countries it's illegal to employ someone for several months or years without paying them.

ooblets looks like fucking garbage btw

If they made good games then they wouldn't need the financial crutch that is Tim

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Absolutely. I'm just saying this really doesn't change much on the front of devs never finishing games or delivering on features.

I'm still mad about them stealing Anno 1800. I was waiting for a steam sale. Now its not like we can even pirate it.

Any game on Epic Games Store is a free game.

Yes but the founders/owners/whatever often goes into debt or loses lots of money to do so banking on the games success, pushing them to push the rest of the team to deliver a game so they can make that money back and then some. If they get paid alongside everyone else, where's their motivation to push the actual team to finish the game?

>I don't think Epic would constantly operate at a loss, they can't give that much money all the time without getting something in return
They got fortnite and ching chong dosh. They can probably keep this shit up for a few years without breaking a sweat.

imo the only case where Early Access is acceptable is if your game will be released soon and it's in a state of beta-testing

I get it if a smaller studio takes the deal, it's probably hard to refuse, are barely known yadda yadda, but when a pretty established studio (which is what Epic is aiming for the most) that has a following large enough to make their next game a success as long as they don't fuck it up completely, then they are just being greedy. Not only are they taking the deal and shitting on customers by restricting them to a platform (I'm certain there are those who buy on Humble or GOG instead of Steam too), it gets worse when any of these are brought up:
>Steam is greedy, 30% too high
Humble Store and GOG have supposedly the same cut yet no one is complaining about them, I think it's the same cut too for putting your game on consoles, it's been a non-issue for years yet now it's supposed to be "one of the worst atrocities that Valve has unleashed on the gaming industry"
>The revenue cut is better
Discord and itch.io offer better cuts than Epic yet no one is putting their games on there, anyone complaining about cuts yet putting their games on EGS exclusively are just pathetic for trying to circumvent saying "We wanted the money"

And you're spot on with smug devs the Phoenix Point crowdfunding turned into exclusivity and broken promises was just an awful move and might sour interesting crowdfunding campaigns for promising games in the future due to mistrust in decision making, I'm surprised the Shenmue shit happened after seeing what a shitshow Phoenix Point was.

The Epic Games Store is a store, user. The clue's in the name. Epic are the distributors of the game but not the publishers. Superliminal and Manifold Garden are both indie games, meaning that they're published by the developers themselves. The publishers (who are also the developers) of those games have chosen to sell their game on the Epic Games Store. One thing I've noticed about anti-Epic shills is that they all seem to know jack shit about video games and the vidya industry as a whole.

>timed EGS exclusives
heh, did you ask the devs if that was the case?
heh, bad times ahead

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Why is epic intent on becoming the new shovelware indie game infested mess?

>Outer Wilds

at least you could get it on xbox too but p much

Same happened with Wattam and I've been looking forward to that for ages. Into the pirate list it goes I suppose.

>If they get paid alongside everyone else, where's their motivation to push the actual team to finish the game?
Retaining their consumer base.

>could have had more money AND a wider audience to enjoy their games
>refuse
lol

Both devs on their Twitters have stated it's a 12 month exclusivity agreement. I'm curious though, what game is getting a dumb lifetime exclusivity agreement?

Which game is that?

What gives you the impression that Superliminal and Manifold Garden are shovelware? They seem to have had care and time put into them.

Ah yes, that extremely hard to quantify thing that really doesn't drop at all following an abandonment of a game for something else. If anything they get more sales for their new early access game due to the publicity of their previous half finished one because most consumers are retarded.

Grow the fuck up.

Why don’t you just like, play them you fucking sperg

That one airship game is apprently doing a lifetime exclusivity deal.

If a developer continuously releases half-finished products then abandons them, they may fool people a few times, but eventually people will get wise and ditch them. Look what happened to Valve.

Airborne Kingdom

>reveals a studio's true colors at least

I actually disagree with this notion. Just taking the deal (as a small developer, fuck the publishers that do it) is completely understandable. It's how you justify it afterwards that really says who you are. If you make up bullshit reasons or try and shit on people who don't like Epic's Store (like one of the Ooblet devs), then I'd say you're on the shit list. If you say you just needed money because self-publishing (such as Lorne Lanning with Oddworld or the Manifold Garden dev) then I can respect that decision. I'll still pirate and seed to hell and back, but I understand why they did it

>This is bad. Only Steam should be allowed to sell PC games because Gabe Newell is based and Half-Life is a good series that deserves its high level of praise. Paid mods and loot crates are both great ideas.
Shut the fuck up, falseflagging shill.

Only on Yea Forums does pro-corporate sentiment ever take precedence over pro-consumer

Oh, I was actually worried that it would be a good game. Nice.

>look what happened to Valve

The company still making literal billions a year and doing literally whatever the fuck the employees want? Oh yeah boy, their life must suck.

From what I can tell, studios get straight up money, probably in the form of a lump sum, for exclusivity deals which they can then use to finance their studio. I don't think they pay Epic back for this pile of cash, they are paying for it by doing this timed exclusivity thing in the first place to promote store.
You also underestimate how much money Fortnite is shitting out for Epic, I doubt they'd be doing this if Fortnite failed like it seemed to be going until they added BR to it.

I think any game that shows promise and a good amount of core gameplay could benefit from Early Access, but it's very volatile depending on how committed a developer is to improving a game when the money does flow in. I do think though that the games that flourish due to it and reach 1.0 make it worthwhile in contrast to those that were abandoned/turned to shit later on.
I hate how "beta" have lost its meaning however. Beta used to mean it's feature complete yet riddled with bugs but it seems like most games doing their "betas" forgot about its definition entirely.

>growing up means fully accepting and bowing to corporate greed and restrictions dictated by a salty moron with a grudge and the Chinese government
Ooflets

>search it on Google
>first result is the Steam page
>it's delisted
lo and behold

Their talented employees are dropping like flies and their online store now sells nothing but shovelware and porn. It's hard to believe it, but Valve used to be a well-respected developer and Steam was the biggest digital store for PC games. Even going back only two or three years, nearly every AAA PC game would launch on Steam.

>you wouldn't rob a gamestop

How are you this dense and still able to breathe?

>I don't think they pay Epic back for this pile of cash
It's an advance on sales, so they don't pay it back per se, but any sales they make go 100% to Epic until the advance is paid off.
At least that's how a lot of the indie devs described it, it might vary per publisher.

You wouldn't download a car!

>whinge about how too many shitty indie games are clogging Steam
>EGS promises to give money to indie games that are too shit to be successful on Steam
>Steam now has less shitty indie games

Based Epic.

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>and Steam was the biggest digital store for PC games

Pretty sure it still is, especially since it gets all the Japanese titles now since Japanese publishers aren't deathly afraid of the PC anymore

I just pirate the games I would have bought if they were on steam

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with competition, this is so fucking retarded. Origin and ubisoft's launchers are both pieces of shit, Epic Games is much less so and actually has the funds to promote devs while making a name for themselves. You would have to be a rabid mutt to think Steam, of all fucking companies, desverves to be at the top of anything, fuck the marketplace, fuck lootcrates, let Valve have to actually fight for their place.

When people are calling the Ooblet devs niggers and that they deserve to die because they chose the platform with the better package, something is wrong.

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>Origin and ubisoft's launchers are both pieces of shit, Epic Games is much less so
Spotted the guy who hasn't used them all. At least fucking Origin had cloud saves in goddamn 2014

>competition
so why is epic buying exclusives then?

Gets me everytime

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>exclusives
>competition

Paramount studios got knocked for this shit 70 years ago for anti-competitive practices with movie theatres.

disregard that one

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fuck epic
fuck china

"Competition" when a market is already very distorted by government enforced monopolies, in the form of IP law, only causes more distortion if left unregulated. It doesn't need nationalized or anything, but it does need more government power to keep it sane and fix the distortion caused from the original use of it.

Because its the easiest way of bringing people to your platform/store? Youre acting like Epic has NOTHING but exclusives which isnt true. Same with xbox/ps exclusives, incentives to bring people to your game, rewarding the dev with extra funds or support in return.

Wake the fuck up, Steam has the boon of being the oldest and most developed, believing they should always be at the top uncontested because of this is ridiculous.

Ive used them both, had to use origin for ME3, ubisoft for South Park, both of them leaked my data within 4 months and ubisoft was cancer to work with.

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i do enjoy the 10+ daily threads giving the EGS more and more coverage

>Youre acting like Epic has NOTHING but exclusives which isnt true.

For the customer that's all Epic ever will have, given that Tim Sweeny himself has said that publishers will decide the 'winner' of the storefronts instead of customers who actually buy the game

>you wouldn't rob a gamestop...
You don't know me

>Wake the fuck up, Steam has the boon of being the oldest and most developed, believing they should always be at the top uncontested because of this is ridiculous.
Yes, so let's support the "grassroots" Epic store which is proudly touted around by investors with monetary interests in publishers and not customers. Mind the store is pale with features, with the money they garnished around they could have bought out indie game studios (ala Turtle Rock and Portal devs) and kept them under a 1st-Party Epic branch of the company. Instead they have no issues breaking goodwill for the sake of building a barebones storefront with the hopes getting mooks like you to download their games. In five years when the store becomes over-saturated with shit and features are sparse as shit you'll still be gobbling a garbage launcher down because "muh competition".

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>gobbling a garbage launcher

Sorry you dont get any trading cards from playing games :(

I'll use their launcher for exclusives and games which are available cheaper there, im not going to specifically choose one of the stores because of the store itself, I can live without Valve's addition of multiple shit functions to the store.

Outside of exclusives, it will become a battle of who can provide the cheaper game, or altleast who can provide actual tangible reasons to choose the launcher. At the moment, the reasons to choose steam are: Trading cards, established friend list, time spent in game recorded

All that matters to me is that there is competition which is actually actively attempting to carve their own market.

Just pirate them mate. Epic already paid the devs so it's guilt free.

Sorry you don't use controllers other than Xbox. I love having DualShock 4 and Steam controller customizable APIs in my launcher. Oh and its nice to be able to highspeed stream to a couch when I don't want to be cramped up on a chair. Can you do the same without downloading a metric fuckton of spyware Epicuck?

>but the devs were honest
They were honest in saying they hadn't handled their budget well, yeah.
I don't have high hopes for Soulstorm

>Sorry you dont get any trading cards from playing games :(
>Or universal controller support
>Or pre-loading that doesn't require the dev themselves to put work into it happening (by Tim's own admission with Borderlands 3 pre-loading on the EGS)
>Or built-in mod support
>Or forums which are actually a good way of finding game fixes
>Or user-rating to encourage devs to not shit out terrible games (which Epic if they ever put in will be an opt-in system)
>Or a fucking shopping cart

Epic already supported the devs with their fortnut money. Either way I'm getting the game for free except with pirating I don't get a shitty launcher.

>Youre acting like Epic has NOTHING but exclusives which isnt true
They essentially do. Why would I buy anything that isn't exclusive? Their prices are either the same or worse

>purley EPIC
disgusting

>and games which are available cheaper there

So never? Games on average are more expensive there because Epic doesn't allow free creation of keys for devs and publishers to sell unless they're approved key sellers

Devs have the right to choose what store they sell their games on.

Your point?

I have the right to not do business with people that are not offering something that benefits me personally.

considering that new Klei game, hades, is coming to steam as an early access still after one year on egs speaks miles

If you buy it on Steam after the Epic exclusivity you're telling them that it's okay to pull that shit off. Do not enable them, no mercy whatsoever.

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I actually don't mind Epic, they support devs, I get free games.
Just like developers want to make as much money as possible, I want to keep as much of my money as possible, and I do so by pirating their games.

You are correct. The devs are not attacking you, don't go on attacking them.

Hades isn't from klei, but otherwise you're entirely correct

>that new Klei game, hades
Hades is a Supergiant Game. The Klei game is Griftlands which also has an exclusivity agreement, but like Hades won't be exclusive at the actual launch of the game

Look guys! Found the consoletard!

My mistake, this isn’t the first time I get those two confused

I won't attack them, but I will pirate their game.
I like free money just as much as they do.

Imagine what kind of person would enjoy Ooblets

Feel free to. Piracy is not any more harmful to Epic than you deciding cook your own meals is harmful to a local restaurant.

Chinese.

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Who attacking who? Criticism imof their actions is not an attack. They have a right to pick a store but we also have a right to criticize them for it.

Just be careful not to buy them both in too rapid succession, lest you get your account locked.

Cheers Tim!

I honestly think it looks good. Same the real dev of the game couldn't reel in her retarded husband in charge of the 'business' side of things before he went full scorched Earth on anyone critical of the EGS

GoG is a good example of competition
>you can actually get old games with preinstalled patches to run on modern PCs
>DRM free
>can actually preload

I can't believe Epic wants to "compete" when their store is so barebones it lacks preloads, shopping carts or even wishlists, and when said features are still on the "roadmap", but can definitely snatch anticipated games. Fuck off.

HIVESWAP
IS
NEXT.

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Pirate and play for free!