Did gangs like this really exist in 1899 America?

I feel dumb for saying this, but the story of RDR2 doesnt really make sense to me. How is this gang even allowed to exist? Wouldn't the government just take a bunch of cops/soldiers and arrest them all? How can they just set up at one place for months and months? Was this common at the time?

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Best you asked /his/, not the retards here

The government is not omnipotent now and it was certainly not then. Also, law and morality are not the same, so they likely skirt by the law by doing the occasional good deed to save face and if they get into a brawl and shoot someone, they sort it out themselves. It was also a time where calling on the government wasn’t always considered a good thing either and you were just as likely to have bandits take your shit as you were lawmen

This

Also, police officers and gang members usually tick the same boxes when it comes to personality and disposition, while civilians usually differ greatly from both groups. Safe to say that although they had no proof of this back in the day, it was something any wisened frontiersman knew.

Why on earth would you think that an action game patterned after cowboy movies would be realistic in its storytelling? Do you ask similar questions about Call of Duty or Metal Gear Solid?

consider that the expansion to the west and the gold rush had only happened 40 or 50 years before that, I believe it

Pretty good assessment

Until telegraphs became completely widespread (which they didn't until the 1920s, believe it or not) it was extremely difficult for the federal government to coordinate raids against criminal gangs. Law enforcement was usually outsourced to local governments. If you were lucky, the state government would put in the resources to hunt them down. If you were in an underdeveloped part of the country and your votes didn't count for shit, then you basically had to go Seven Samurai and rely on yourselves and your town law enforcement.

The Glanton Gang of the 1849 is a pretty notorious example of a criminal group that raped and killed countless innocent people, including White Americans, and were only stopped when an Indian tribe finally caught up to them and massacred them all. It just becomes impractical to track them down without electronic communication.

I’m gonna have to read blood meridian that sounds badass

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They were also extremely multicultural, as fucked up as that sounds.

> Glanton's gang consisted of "Sonorans, Cherokee and Delaware Indians, French Canadians, Texans, Irishmen, a Negro and a full-blooded Comanche

Anyone who seriously believes that White people only stuck with "their own kind" during the Old West needs to brush up on their IRL history.

It's a heavily fictionalized version of real events (and Chamberlain's own accounts are suspect), but it's probably my favorite book ever. Just a warning that you shouldn't expect a straightforward, 100% logical story or you'll be disappointed by the ending.

>asking a dead board

The south loves using the old west as an example of freedom, but many towns in the old west had stricter gun laws than America does today.

If the gun laws were so strict how were criminals killing people with guns? You're lying.

guess you can say they really are history uh user?

Like that? No.

Yes, because the word outlaw means legally abiding citizen of the city and county of old westistan.

Sounds like strict gun laws aren't an effective means of curbing crime.

They did curb crime though. Crime rates in towns where the sheriff or marshal legally required people to leave their guns with the sheriff's office while in town were lower.

Yes. I don't know the guys name but his story of buying a boys dog for 30 dollars, then immediately throwing the dog into a river off a bridge as his pals started to shooting at it stuck with me. That sidestory of the dude interviewing outlaws is based on that I think because it was a real biography. Really wish I knew the crazy fuckers name.

yes
there were areas in the south that litterally were a black zone of laws.

Communication has a stronger correlation to civil defense than just owning weapons. I can't find the article offhand so you're welcome to call bullshit, but I remember reading that militias in developing countries usually want radios more than shiny reliable weapons.

In real life and not just action movies, owning a gun doesn't mean shit if you're not ready for an attack or aware of a threat in the area.

Yet they still had a higher crime rate than modern times with less strict gun control...makes you think...

>they did curb crime
*laughs in California and illinois*

Poor cooperation between local and federal governments meant that it was difficult to identify violent criminals when they fled to the next state over. You can't exactly print millions of wanted posters and expect them to appear overnight within every town of every neighboring state.

In other words, owning a gun doesn't mean shit if you don't know that there's a violent criminal in the area until your son's already missing.

it was called the wild west for a reason

Yea Forums can do anything that the other boards can and often better but we simply cant stop arguing you stupid faggot.

>Yea Forums
>we
Go back

A gun allows one to defend oneself either way better then any alternative even if you're ambushed

"God made man, Colt made them equal."

If you have everybody armed chances are the person who gets shot is probably a criminal doing some dumb shit.

Yea Forums is literally one of the worst boards on the website. half of the porn boards are better

How are gangs nowadays allowed to exist?

Democrats, rap music, crack and all the shitholes south of Texas.

Being a sheriff was probably a very shitty job
>Its just you and, if you are lucky, a group of farmer militia volunteers.
>If a larger group than you you cant do shit because your shitty ass shithole have no proper defenses or fortifications, so the only thing you can do is to either risk your life or hide
>The most likely to die in a small town

What were the benefits at all?

respect or money i guess

Men lived and died by honor and code back then

What non americans dont seem to understand is how fucking big america is. Doing that is completely infeasible.

You probably got a lot of discounts and maybe even free food, also free local paid housing sleeping in the Sherrif's office.

>things were different 120 years ago
whoa.......... holy shit........... no way......

gangs like that even existed in large cities, late 1800s and early 1900s had the tong wars in san francisco and the clusterfuck known as five points in new york

Don't mind me, just posting the best gang kino there is.

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>you'll be disappointed by the ending
What did the judge do to the kid in that outhouse?

To where? With whom? And how?

Imagine I tell you that someone in a 100 square kilometer area raped someone. How are you going to find them? You think you can just magically ride out into an area and see a big flag with their location? Even today with all our technology you can murder people and get away with it, now imagine it without police or any communication systems at all. The town 4km from you could be burned to the ground and you would know about it until someone went out there and saw it, then came back and said what happened. A sheriff was just a guy with a gun, and if he was lucky, he had a mate or two also with guns.

Even the concept of police is a modern invention, it literally did not exist until the industrial age, before that law and order was kept basically just by a ruler and his soldiers or in 99% of cases mob justice based around community values, which were often unfair, barbaric and mindless.

If you lived in a small town with barely any jobs and a paid job like that came up you would take it. While there was a lot of lawlessness if you lived in such a small town it would affect you regardless of whether you were the sheriff or not, after all it was your town.

I would love to know the average career time of a sheriff during golden age wild west

It was probably Very short

>wtf they stole the train robbery scene from RDR2

>Blood Meridian
Based and Holdenpilled

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As someone who grew up around bikers and biker gangs, these groups still exist today. I know of several clubhouses that have good honest men and criminals alike. Usually just a barn on a random plot of farmland, but sometimes a house. Like someone else said police aren't gods.

why is that guy so tiny?

The Marshall in RDR1 really captured the limited power of the law in the west. He was pretty based, but he wasn't gonna go out and get his men killed chasing bandits.

We literally had river pirates

I mean people like Bonnie and Clyde and all their lackeys were around in the 1930s when the FBI was getting big so I would imagine gangs like Dutch's gang could have existed 4 decades prior.

>get attacked by rabid crackhead
>boy i wish I had a radio right now to call for help instead of a gun so I can try and defend myself!
Dipshit

That's a literal criminal gang of outcasts mate, it's literally a trope that while white people (and most people in general) "kept to their own kind" in that time, society mixed in the fringes and outcast elements.

"When seconds count, police are minutes away"
When will dipshit democrats understand that self defence is a very good deterrent to crime? I know majority of them live in their gated 99% white communities of Beverly Hills and Sag Harbor with armed security but for us working class having to deal with retarded unconstitutional gungrab laws, Red Flag laws and pro-criminal laws. How are we suppose to deal with the drug addicts and crime niggers tresspassing and stealing our property?

he said civil defense, not personal defense. don't tell me you think a handful of deputies with six shooters is gonna be a viable solution to the well-armed gang of nutjobs that rolled up on your isolated little town

They stand a better chance with guns than with radios

>local law enforcement tries to stand up to them
>gets themselves slaughtered and the town ransacked
>nobody in the outside world will ever know about it
vs
>law enforcement radios in for help
>can stall the enemy gang until help from the nearest big town arrives
>even if they do get killed, the rest of the area will know about it and be on alert, and the gang will eventually be hunted town by the local government

>gotta defend my home board!
Embarrassing.

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>can stall
By the time the Marshall's would arrive the gang has already fled at that point.

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problem solved lmao

>/his/
more like /sjw/

Yeah lax gun laws sure have been doing Texas a favor here recently. Faggot.

Every single shooting that happened were at [GUN-FREE] zones. Also there was a church shooting that was stopped completely by rednecks coming back from a hunting trip armed with rifles. So kill yourself Infringing faggot a gun is a problem solver.

So good

I always wanted to read blood meridian but I'm too retarded for it. It's written in a distinct way

Half the country is barely populated today, and in 1899 that half was even less populated.

>Anyone who seriously believes that White people only stuck with "their own kind" during the Old West needs to brush up on their IRL history.

The fuck... are you serious? You're talking about a gang of criminals, you fucking retard.

>"There's no way to prevent this," says only nation where this happens regularly

Gun violence gets replaced by trucks and knives. Whatcha gonna do, bin that knife? You can't stop violent people from being violent, but you can protect yourself from them.

but why didn't they just use the internet

There's the Cochise County Cowboys but I'm not sure if they really count.

We've tried nothing, and it hasn't worked!

Truck and knife attacks don't happen every day like shootings do. It's easier to kill a large amount of people with a gun

God I love McCarthy. I need to read all.the pretty horses and I'll have completed the border trilogy. The Road is good too but everyone knows that. Gonna look into his lesser works after.

>/his/
>sjw
Just because they shit on the "WHAT IF HITLER HAD DONE X INSTEAD OF Y" threads posted every 5 minutes doesn't make them sjw.

All the boards with intelligent, educated posters lean liberal. Really makes you think.

Yeah that's why soldiers use knives instead of guns right. Like they need to be violent, and a knife is obviously better, after all you don't even need to reload it.

I dunno,user. I've been to /x/ in recent months.

>noooo why did they call me a fucking retard in my WW2/Nazi/Holocaust bait thread how could this happen

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Except they literally werent.

I mean isnt this the same shit where most towns with major universities lean liberal? I mean surely country bumpkins are more intelligent than people who have actually pursued higher education.

Yes, the left is trying to scrub the myths of the wild west away even though most of them are just facts presented with fantastical language. Many gangs existed and wreaked havoc back in the wild west, too many to name really, only a few rose above the rest to become true legends that are remembered to this day though.

The west still wasn’t really all that developed. Towns that couldn’t get a sheriff usually had to hope a former criminal was willing to do the job. High profile gangs usually had better weapons and more experience with them than most law enforcement of the era, and the lack of infrastructure and modern practices made finding, catching, and charging criminals difficult. More gang members likely got killed by other gang members than by law enforcement. The Wild West isn’t as wild as people like to think, but criminal science was almost nonexistent.

>dude ivory towers have never been wrong, being in the top echelons of society has never caused the advocation of overly idealistic theory-crafted policy positions, its clearly just a sign of our heightened intelligence

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No man i completely agree. Cletus totally has all this shit figured out.

Did you finish the game? The government did hire the Pinkerton detective agency in real life to hunt down outlaws eventually. America is huge, they could keep moving and evade cops. There were no telephones or shit.

This, I never understood why claiming that simply because you are more "educated" somehow means everything you say is now objective fact. Some toothless hillbilly can say some shit way more grounded in fact and reality than some bougie spoiled faggot whos never left his privileged little bubble. Simply going to a university or being more educated doesnt make you right at everything.

yes oh so enlightened educated man tell us lowly cretins the wonders of having such elite intelligence

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Because if you are more educated you are more likely to be more intelligent. And if you are more intelligent then yeah you are more likely to be correct.

Of course gangs like this existed. Hell, criminals banded together like this just to give themselves a better chance at committing their crimes and getting away with it. You also forget that this was 1899, not 1999. The West was still largely a frontier. There were roads, but certainly no highways or interstates. Woodlands were heavily dense. The Badlands of South Dakota were a nightmare to traverse on foot or horse as they were easy to both get lost in and get double-backed on. Towns outside major river/sea port cities only existed if they were part of the rail line. Hell, quite a number of Wild West criminals were former military themselves.
What I'm saying is that the "government" wasn't about to waste the resources hunting down these gangs, especially when private organizations like Pinkerton did just a fantastic job at it.

Did he really do anything wrong?

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Organized Syndicate>>>Wild Outlaws

Be retarded

>Anyone who seriously believes that White people only stuck with "their own kind" during the Old West needs to brush up on their IRL history.
Dregs of society has ALWAYS associated with dregs outside their ethnic group of out necessity. Common folk on the other hand did stick to their kind unless forced to out of necessity.

He put too much faith in Micah

>All the boards with intelligent, educated posters
That doesn't describe /hist/ though. The are dropouts who get all their knowledge from youtube and podcast.

>mfw Judge Holden is probably real according to Glanton's journal
Holy fucking shit

Kek

I still can't tell if this is bait or not