Why do people act like there's still a difference between digital and physical? there was once but not these days

Should have clarified this was for consoles. Physical PC games are the same as digital.

>Most games are still playable out of the box without an internet connection
are they though?

You usually don't need to connect to the internet with new physical copies. Digital that requires internet mrans they can revoke your access for any reason. Also you cant trade or give away your digital game.

This. Games don't come with manuals anymore so I have no reason to try and find a complete boxed game. I'll go with whatever is cheapest.

Yea. Can't think of many games that require internet to play. Maybe that spyro remaster thing because for some reason they didn't put all the games on the disc.
which is why i never bought it

If it's not triple A garbage and just an indie title, yes.
For example, everything Limited Run and their ilk sells is the finalized post-patched version of the game.

just don't get banned, lmao

so physical is for poorfags
got it

>There are people who still think you need internet to install off a disc

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>Market dictates prices of used games, not PSN/Publisher
>PLACEBO HURR
Enjoy paying $60 for a Koei game 3 years after release.

Retarded digitalfags back at it again.

>There are people who think disks still contain more than half the game

They do. Have you ever actually watched an install? The only DL is a patch if there is one. RDR2 shipped on 2 discs for a reason.

I love the convenience of digital games. It just sucks that you have to have all of them downloaded otherwise your console will lose all its digital games over a long enough timespan.

It's probably because retards. They're so used to having everything connected to the internet that they think it's a must. Shutdown their internet for a day and they fucking kill themselves

True, the online stores keep the prices the same for 3 years, lmaoo

i want to be able to sell my singleplayer game afterwards, so even though i have an rtx 2080 i mostly buy singleplayer games on console. i hate steam for starting the trend of not being able to sell your games anymore

Physical copies are just as worthless nowadays since companies don't even bother with manuals; they're just a fucking disc in a labeled plastic box so the only correct answer is to get the cheapest option always, but then
>implying I buy games

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if you buy fallout 76 physical the disk is made of cardboard

They are giving that game away, I got mine for 6 dollars brand new 2 months ago

Physical:
>put in disc, play game
>lend disc to friends so they can play
>can just rent it for a fraction of the cost if it's a short game
>can buy used for a fraction of the cost
>can sell it after after beating it

Digital:
>have to download 100+ GB for a modern game
>takes up valuable disk space, have to constantly delete and redownload games
>cant lend digital to friends without lending your whole console
>games literally never drop in price
>cant sell it

You'd have to have no concept of money to ever buy digital games when you can get a physical copy.

For pc

>Physical:
>>put in disc, play game
maybe in the PS2 days

>own physical disc
>decade later "oh hey I want to play that"
>realize game had 100gb day one patch to make it functional
>game also had dozens of post-launch balance patches
>servers are closed, nothing is available anymore
>console hardware is more complex and is prone to failure
just pirate

Collectorfags 20+ years from now are really gonna have a shit time

Imagine picking up a used PS4 and some random game you heard about, only for it to be a broken mess because the 15gb day one patch is no longer available to download.

First point is 100% false and has been since the beginning of this console generation (and has always been false on PC). The rest are good points though. Maybe stop playing your old 360 games and realize even later released games on 360/PS3 (and most PS3 games regardless of release time) required mandatory installations that took roughly 3-10 minutes to install.

Unless you care about reselling, the only thing that matters is whether or not you can be prevented from playing your game.

This is why I don't give a fuck about steam DRM or PSN drm. Who cares if it's technically """renting""" if I can play the game offline for all of time? Even if my Steam or PSN account got banned and I couldn't log in any more it doesn't matter because I don't need to connect for the game to be playable.

Digital is usually the same or more expensive and you're getting less. Why pay for packaging and shipping costs for something you don't physically own. That's what goes into the cost of a game. Waste of money. Plus I don't need internet to install a game I just need a disc.

NO! PHYSICAL GOOD, DIGITAL BAD!

>Plus I don't need internet to install a game I just need a disc
often untrue

a game without a patch today is pretty useless

>or more expensive
Name even a single case where a digital game was more expensive than the physical equivalent at release.

>always false on PC
Did you start playing games in 2010?

this. "Going gold" is pretty much meaningless. There just has to be a date set with enough lead time to have something to put on shelves. It's not like they stop working on the game. Regardless of opinion, look at something like launch No Man's Sky versus today. Nobody wants to play whatever is on the disc.

>at release
goalposts
physical always leads digital on price drops.

Well, if we use our Zen vision, there is no difference between anything, really. Like, everything is pure Buddha nature and that's that.

But in these Latter Days of the Law it kinda helps to establish some distinction between all the """things""" that seem.

>goalposts
Yes, I set them. You just moved them. Thanks for proving what an idiot you are.

You're the one who started talking about release date, as if that's the only time you can purchase a game. You moved goalposts.

>You're the one who started talking about release date
Yes, as in I'm the only one who started talking about time frame.
>You moved goalposts.
There were no goalposts in the first place, since nobody had talked about the time to purchase games. I established them for the sake of the argument and instead of trying to prove your point within the established goals, you decided to be a fucking retard and go off on this tangent. You have one more post to actually prove any of your claims or I'll just write you off as being completely wrong.

>original goalposts
video games are usually cheaper physically
>your goalposts
that's not actually true if you only look at certain video games (but they're not more expensive either teehee)

kill yourself you disingenuous retard

Yeah, I didn't think you could. Thanks for admitting defeat, bye retard [-]

You own a game if you buy it on GOG. You literally get the installer and you can put it on storage.

Modern physical is literally DRM. The disks are encrypted so only the console can read/copy the data on them. And PS4 and Xbox One literally cannot play a physical game from disk. The disk is just PART of the installer for the digital version. When you put in a disk for the first time it installs some of the data from disk and some from the day one patch in order to get the up to date digital version. After that, the disk isn't needed at all. It just serves as a physical DRM dongle. The console checks if it exists before allowing you to play the digital game, but it doesn't actually read any game data. You are LITERALLY playing the exact same digital game as everyone who bought digital, but with DRM that forces you to keep in the disk while you play it.

The diffrence is that digital is free.

this guy understands

or people that actually want ownership of something. the fact that i bought something for $59.99 and can't sell it when i'm done is insane. no digital game should ever cost more than $30

/thread

Physical is old, shitty, slow, limited technology at this point. Digital is far superior.

This.

Digital games should launch for at LEAST $20 cheaper seeing as how you can't resell them.

I own it forever
Cheaper just wait 3 months except nintendo

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Physical master race reporting. Looks like Nintendo wins again

90s/2000s gamers saved so much money compared to what the zoomers will spend on the dozens to hundreds of digital games they will probably buy throughout their lifetimes.

>or people that actually want ownership of something
That's true for PS3/360 era and earlier, but nowadays the only thing on the disc is some DRM code. You still need an internet connection to install and download the game and all of its updates.

We're fucked dude.

Take the GOG pill. It's the only way to actually own your games nowadays. Steam isn't THAT bad either as long as the games don't have third party DRM, because Steam's built in DRM is utterly trivial to crack and most games that have only Steam DRM get a day one crack.

This. Or if you pirate a cracked version.

Nostalgic retards. I remember I was pissed when I bought Dawn of War 2 because it required Steam to install, but now I'm thankful that I don't have all these plastic boxes in my room.

What does the system read on the disc anymore? Just that the disc is in the system? You need to install the same amount of data as just downloading it from the eshop.

Only 360 game I've seen with a mandatory installation was Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen because the textures had to be installed from a second disc.

That's because the games have lower quality standards because they know gamers can download huge patches. In the old days, the game on disc or cartridge was the final release. Computer games usually had patches but they had to be something downloadable through dial-up (a couple MB max) and not a complete redownload of the game. The game archive files (MIX, WAD, etc.) could be patched to edit individual resources inside. Modern game patches make you download several GB of files when only a couple things in them changed. If you really want to make gaming great again, developers should be forced to use dial-up to test patches.

>buy switch game physical for €40
>beat it
>sell switch game for €40

>buy switch game digital for €60
>beat it
>

You own physical copies, you don't own digital ones. Everyone saw what became of PC gaming and realized there's a better future without their cancer.

>You own physical copies
What you own is a license. Mayhaps look at the discs you're purchasing in the future.

>What you own is a license.
Yes, an owners license, not a renters.

the absolute cope

Of having my games the best way possible? Try to take the cock out of your mouth for once, slave.

>my software license is better than yours
try getting the dick out of your brain

you're retarded, dude. There's literally no difference between a physical and digital copy of a game in terms of copyright and terms of use.

An owners license is better than a renters one, yes. Glad you understand.

>he can't even read

There's no understanding of "owner" and "renter" in a software license. Just the terms it specifies.

Fuck you cunt. You know damn why so stop acting like it. You don't own your digital game.

>Just the terms it specifies.
so renter and owner, got it.

Actually digital is for poorfags who don't have space for their physical copies.

Can you show me where in your physical game license the term "owner" is used? And where in the digital license "renter" is?

video games don't take up much physical space unless you're an idort going back several generations

>t. never been a poorfag

check the licenses pages on a physical copy of one of you games. You do own physical copies, don't you?

I don't think even one of my PS4 games came with a manual. I'm (un)lucky if I get a DLC code on a slip of paper.

You insert the game and can look at the license.

Why play those shitty switch games when you can just buy games on GOG and actually own them? And who the fk just plays a game and just sells it after? I only buy games that deserve to be bought because they're good and I want to keep them. The rest there's torrents, pc or consoles.

I only find the "intellectual property notices" in the start menu which does not give license details.

>used copies are cheap
to be fair, so are digital copies after a year

t. 700+ games on Steam despite basically never paying more than $5 for anything

downloads are not products

>so are digital copies after a year
Only some games, many barely go down. In the year of release of a brand new game I can usually get it for 10 bucks, I'd have to wait for a flash sale during a christmas event to get a 60 dollar game for $20 on steam for example.

if there is no difference, then why the fuck do you care about others' preferences

>being this mad
There are games on discs which have DRM, and there are downloadable games without DRM. There's no need to be upset about facts.

Please to die.

There is no worse DRM than having nothing tangible in exchange for your purchase.

DRM doesn't mean "thing I don't like" though. Sorry about words having meaning, but there are DRM-free digital games, and your mental gymnastics won't change that.
>nothing tangible
If I really want my DRM-free game on a fragile piece of plastic, I can go buy a DVD-R.

>buys encrypted disc
>inserts it into proprietary DRM box
>downloads forced update
>connects to mandatory online service
I'm so glad I own my games!

Maybe for pc tards and ea supporters. For me? I don't have to download the entire game and 99 updates on my physicals.

some games are better physical. cucked devs change and remove shit all the time in updates, dont have that problem physical

some games are better digital. psn has crazy sales better than the used market sometimes, so better to go digital

there's definitely a price difference

while this is true, it still doesn't negate the biggest bonus of physical being able to get some of your money back.
If you don;t care about that, or the box art digital is the way to go.

Gaming is an expensive hobby for poorfags.

>DRM doesn't mean "thing I don't like" though.
Tell that to the retards who insist consoles are DRM. If you don't own the means of delivery, you are being restricted by DRM.

>An owners license is better than a renters one, yes.
good job spouting garbage while trying to sound knowledgeable

>starts console game for first time
>giant EULA pops up after splash screen
>agree to terms before continue
>"sheeeeit I own dis game!"

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That literally is what DRM is though. If the content is encrypted and can only be decrypted using proprietary [hard/soft]ware that enforces the license terms then it's protected by DRM.

>Tell that to the retards who insist consoles are DRM.
Consoles do have DRM built in, though. They have features which try to prevent you from playing pirated games on them.
>If you don't own the means of delivery, you are being restricted by DRM.
That's not the definition of DRM though.

>Most games are still playable out of the box without an internet connection.
that 70 GB installation and 40 GB update says otherwise

>3-10 minutes to install.
Still beats waiting 3-10 HOURS or more for a game to download first. Not everyone lives in a big city with access to fiber internet.

You don't (usually) have to update a game to play it. Unless you're playing online multiplayer shit, in which case you have poor taste in vidya anyway.

>Digital:
>>have to download 100+ GB for a modern game
>>takes up valuable disk space, have to constantly delete and redownload games
>>cant lend digital to friends without lending your whole console
>>games literally never drop in price
>>cant sell it
Are we talking about digital downloads on consoles? Because
>games literally never drop in price
obviously isn't true on PC.

The difference is in the meat. Physical media and consoles for that matter are purely fetishist items.
With digital you can't touch it but a disc, you have it in your hand and feel it when it slides in. You hear the sound of the tray. Discs suck. They can scratch and are brittle.
Cartridges are truly beautiful things. Big stiff cartridges that you can really handle, oh god their physical property. It's like a slab of videogame, like an artifact or a treasure.
The videogame is in this sturdy relic who deserve its own pedestal in a forgotten temple because of how grabbable it is. I love it. When it slides into its slot made just for it.
The console is the monolith of power and to it you meld this add-on, it receives it perfectly and the game box's power activates. You take the controller in hand and the magic is yours. Everything is right there.
Cartridges like hardrives of knowledge must be the future, terabytes that you can bite and lick, i want to bite a a videogame. I want to hide this robust tablet in a secret place. Imagine touching it and feeling its texture and hearing its soft squeak , it's smell which is real. Imagine slotting it in, feel its hardness.
Truly dematerialized software is a hellish experience for me.

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