Say what you want about her but I love her and think she was ultimately in the right

Edeltards don't view her as an ethically nuanced character, they think she did nothing wrong

>Just because the victor writes history doesn't mean the victor is always right.
Nope. That's exactly what it means.

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95% of the time that's bait people fall for 100% of the time

Edelgard-sama did literally nothing wrong though.

She loses 75% of the time. So she's wrong.

>siding with a hideous Resident Evil monster
Think I'll pass famalam

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I mean, Dimitri also fails and dies 75% of the time.

Claude is the only fucker with a 100% survival and success rate and he's heir to the throne of almyra which is a guaranteed plan B

But Crest worship is retarded and has to go, pretty much every character agrees with this. All 4 endings take care of this problem in one way or another. The problem with Edelgard is that she pins everything on the church because the slitherers told her to. That more so ties into her methods being wrong rather than her actual beliefs.

Heh I'd still hit that

Did she do anything wrong though? Your moral opinion is a subjective one.

war

Good, we don't need your cowardice

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>killing hundreds of thousands of people in a dumb, pointless war she instigated is a subjective moral opinion

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that's just her last resort after you murder all her allies

Am I retarded for thinking Dimitri survives in church?
He always talks about being a dead man walking in his route, pretty sure after watching all his friends die in Gronder he just decided to vanish without a trace. I don't think it's his ghost that visits you, I think he actually visits you and knocks you out after telling you what he's decided
Maybe it's just stupid headcanon, but I really doubt Dimitri would be able to die that easily

>hundreds of thousands
try millions
5 and a half years of total world war + genociding the religious

If I killed and tortured literally everyone on the planet except your mother, then raped and killed your mother, I win. Were my methods morally wrong?

Nah. I recruited them all and showed them what a hypocritical cunt she really is.
Then I had Ferdie put her down like the rapid animal she really is deep down.

This is what utilitarians actually believe

>I mean, Dimitri also fails and dies 75% of the time.
Well he only wants Edelgard dead, so he kinda wins in Church and GD.

>prove she did something wrong
>ill dismiss it as "morally subjective" though
I dont even think I should laugh
This is just straight up mental illness

>dumb
>pointless
Subjective opinion aside, yes, she was the instigator. But claiming because people died is wrong is not a fact; it is merely your opinion.

>killing millions in a pointless war of aggression being morally wrong is a matter of opinion
t. retard

He wouldn't be able to knock you out even if he tried, Byleth is overpowered as shit and stronger than every Lord not to mention being one of the people who taught them in the first place

He dies offscreen in Golden deer too, without a 24/7 therapist life coach professor around he goes off the rails pretty quick

>doesn't know why she was doing it
>thinks it was for no reason
:^) ok buddy

He didn't have any rails from the start, it's just he pretended to until the shitshow with Edelgard.

KEK. Saved.

>killing hundreds of thousands innocent people over her own ego is morally subjective

(you)

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Ah the power of pussy, I wonder what your reaction would be if she was a man or an old hag

>everyone on the continent: we need to reform the church and unfuck the crest-based caste system, we're going to do this as soon as we grow up
>Edelgard: I MUST INVADE NEIGHBORING STATES TO FORCE THEM TO STOP THE CHURCH

>my opinion is RIGHT
>stop disgreeing REEE

user you're not meant to let it slip you haven't played the BE route

can't recruit hubert or the non playable npc empire characters

>sides with chaos, tries to take over the world, uses innocent civilians as a shield and performs human experiments to create monsters in every route that does not involve Sensei betraying everyone and becoming an unapologetic daddy-substitute for her

Person's true personality only shines when they are at their lowest and she is one soppy life story away from being a generic ass FE villain.

I know for a fact that every single faggot defending her is the kind of person who would date insane bipolar whore and allow her to systematically ruin their lives just because she shows some rudimentary decent human being traits once every month.

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DLC FUCKING WHEN

So what you're saying is that siding with Edelgard is the best option?

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Putting it like that, yeah its pretty stupid to think he knocked him out or something. If anything it was a dream, but I don't know. It feels really ambiguous to me. Especially since he outright says that he's still alive, albeit he doesn't understand why.
What's interesting is that in GD he actually survives Gronder, but goes off on his own to invade the Empire and only dies once he gets spears shoved in him at every possible angle
Either way it doesn't really matter, which I guess is the point.

>start a world war over literally nothing when you could have just spoken to your peers and realised both Dimitri and Claude wanted vaguely the exact same thing
>lie to and betray everybody for no reason at all
>turn children into demonic monsters
>ally with the literal villains of the game who experiment on corpses, genocided the goddess' children, murdered dimitris family and murder jeralt
>intentionally starve the kingdom to the point a plague breaks out, killing thousands
>allow your uncle to have literal slave labour in the hrym region
>when you lose your war you decide to turn into a xenomorph and kill everybody even though you have already lost and there is nothing to be gained by doing this
>try to kill the person who wanted to forgive you and find a peaceful solution to fixing fodland without war, without even warning him about the slither threat
>acknowledge that you aren't actually fighting for anything tangible and literally just doing it to stroke your own ego
Edelgard did nothing wrong though

>get your whole race genocided by a crazy hobo and the slitherfuckers
>instead of declaring a full on race war and wiping out every evil in the world, devote your life to creating a world of peace
>do ethically questionable things with a noble goal, experimenting on people to bring back the goddess
>save jeralts life out of the goodness of your heart
>save byleth at request of his mother
>perpetuate peace for an unbroken 300 years through a religion that gives people a moral code and framework to work together instead of fight
>pass crests through bloodlines to help protect fodland from its foreign enemies
>make the different regions send their young nobles and leaders to the academy so they learn to cooperate with each other
Rhea is literally fucking evil holy shit we need to declare war and genocide the religious

This guy gets it. Fuck the church.

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I think he did, but unfortunately that route is FUCKING UNFINISHED and we are left with so many plot holes

Aquire reading comprehension

+

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it's not though, house Fraldarius would have been zergrushed by all surrounding countries if they didn't have crests to defend themselves with.

>do ethically questionable things with a noble goal, experimenting on people to bring back the goddess

Has there been a single proof of anyone actually suffering as a result of those experiments? Rhea clearly loved MC's mom and was devastated by her death.

I disagree with my wife El's views in general but I just can't resist someone as beautiful as her throwing themselves at me.

t. boar worshipper

>harming bernie
If nothing else, this is more than enough reason to hate El

Dont think so. The only bad thing is that they all turn into dragons when Rhea goes insane.

Seek help.

Acquire

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>Part 1 continually paints the church as morally dubious and Rhea as a tyrant
>This is immediately dropped in Part 2 unless you were on the Black Eagle route

Blue Lions route suffered the most from this. It really only works as your first run.

Burnie is just no good.

Worst part is the BL route.

>THE CHURCH IS EVIL AND MUST BE DESTRIYED
>Okay, it's been 5 years and the church is gone. Why are you still making monster people and chilling with slithers?
>BECAUSE I MUST CREATE A WORLD WHERE WE ARE FREE
>By killing everyone?
>YES
>Can we discuss why?
>NO I MUST BECOME A FLYING BUG THING NOW FAREWELL

>Part 1 continually paints the church as morally dubious and Rhea as a tyrant
Continually paints is a bit extreme, it just implies that there is something up with the church. But it turns out to be a diversion from the real conflict at play, slithers vs goddess' children. I wont say the Church did nothing wrong, but at least it was for a good purpose and not at the expense of thousands/millions of lives.

Every villain has tragic past. It does not justify her bullshit in the slightest.

I like her better if she is ultimately in the wrong though. Do Crimson Flower, recruit no one outside the class, hell, use the BEs you get as disposable pawns and play on Classic ignoring the Pulse for a real KILL EM ALL experience, not like you need them.

>persons true personality shines when they‘re at their lowest
So Dimitri is a bloodlusted insane rabid dog that has to be put down no matter what?

>>ally with the literal villains of the game who experiment on corpses, genocided the goddess' children, murdered dimitris family and murder jeralt
But that's the whole problem. Duke Aegir allowed the Slithers to experiment on the entire Hresvelg family. Simply allowing a shady cult to perform blood experiments is a huge red sign. And since the experiment was a success, the Slithers have full-control over the Empire since Thales now masquerades as Arudel. At this point, Edelgard and the Empire are just a puppet for the Slithers.

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If Edeltards would just be honest about why they like her we wouldn't have these stupid arguments every thread
Its the "she did nothing wrong" posts that get my blood boiling

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When he was insane he was ripped with guilt for every bad thing he did though, he thought he was being forced to kill by the voices in his head, I can tell you didn't even play his route lol

She didn't do anything wrong though

Her point was that less life will be lost in the 5 year war than letting the whole system drag on for who knows many years.

I recruited Ferdiechad and had him land the killing blow on Edelfart
Officially SURPASSED

And thats just about the stupidest logic ever
>dude more people have died in the entire history of christianity than in ww2 therefore ww2 is justified

You're just retarded and she did more right than wrong.

So his mental illness excuses him from all the atrocities he commited?

Are you inventing stuff again?

Its a better excuse than none at all

What lives was the system even claiming, it seemed pretty peaceful to me

Again, can tell you haven't played his route
No it doesn't excuse him and he straight up says it will take him a lifetime of doing the right thing to atone for his actions, and he does

Would she mind showing me the equation she used to work out and prove how her war prevented more deaths in the long run?

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Sorry I cant hear you over the sound of you shitting in your diaper

Peoples life have been made miserable by their crests and people have died due to the nooble caste system.
She believed that destroying the system via conquer as fast as possible would save more lives. Whether she‘s right or wrong I don‘t know.

Yes, he's vengeful towards those who wronged him and his people. It's a bad trait but being vengeful after seeing thousands of your allies die is not nearly as bad as becoming a literal Chaos Hitler the moment you get your throne just because there's no 師(owards those who wronged him and his people. It's a bad trait but being vengeful after seeing thousands of your allies die is not nearly as bad as becoming a literal Chaos Hitler the moment you get your throne just because there's no 師(ダディ) to complain and be weak ass bitch towards.

AAAAAAAAA STOP MAKING THESE THREADS I JUST STSRTED THE GAME FUCK YOU REEEEEEE

I finished his route, it‘s ridiculous to state that a person should be judged by how he is at his worst by putting Edelgard as example after everybody close to her has died and she has been cornered by the Kingdom but then defending Dimitri in the same breath.

Yes, he's vengeful towards those who wronged him and his people. It's a bad trait but being vengeful after seeing thousands of your allies die is not nearly as bad as becoming a literal Chaos Hitler the moment you get your throne just because there's no 師(ダディ) to complain and be weak ass bitch towards.

The big discrepency is that her methods are exclusively only right IF she wins, and only once that point in time arrives. Claude, for example, is in the right from beginning to end, even after victory, it isn't retroactive like Edelgard

I didn't state that I'm just responding to your ridiculous strawman.
Edelgard having a tragic backstory doesn't make her immune to wrongdoing. This goes for Dimitri too, thankfully for him he hasn't done even a fraction of the bad things that Edelgard has, and it was pretty much 80% her fault that he ended up that way in the first place. He also acknowledges his mistakes and suffers for it, then devotes his life to atoning for it. He seeks peace instead of war, Edelgard seeks war at all costs even when she has already lost because of her pride.

>"Crest Worship"

Noble birth would be revered with or without crests, they're ultimately irrelevant, there will always be the distinguished and the rabble

I felt it painted the church as pretty good up until Lonato and even then he was painted as more in the wrong for basically sending his subjects to their death with a hopeless rebellion just for his personal revenge, it is when Rhea goes "KILL EM" about the Western Church ASAP after the Grave Robbery that shit gets truly "dubious", and i think that was less "Tyrant" and more to show she was the same crazy bitch as in the OP when she been in MOMMY-POPE-MESSIAH-mode up until then and that you shouldn't trust the "Kindness" she shows. But the real twist is honestly that she is genuine about her softness to Byleth due "Mom Revival Plan" and it ISN'T a fake facade to manipulate.

okay I'll say she's retarded

hurrdurr she did nothin

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kill yourself

She's 18 and has no actual leadership or ruling experience but mah bro she's got the minutia worked out

WHY MUST YOU RECONQUER

>play her route
Dumbest Edeltard meme of all, she's worse than in BL.

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Rhea commanding you to chop off Edelgards head even though she‘s your beloved student and then brandishing you as traitor if you refuse is pretty fucked up. The church is way too black white for my taste

Edeltards really are brain dead. There's nothing morally grey about her. She's a self righteous cunt that thinks she knows bests and will force it upon everyone. This is textbook Tyrant.

morons.

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The thing is, that "at their lowest point" comment was referring to her doing human experiments and genociding people in every route where she didn't have a demigod daddy on her side.

Edelgard was not at her lowest point when she betrayed everyone. Edelgard's close ones have died years ago. You may as well treat whole first chapter as Rhea's attempt to "save her" by allowing her to have actual friends and open up to teacher. Those were clearly (by her own admission) the happiest days of her life and she STILL chooses to burn it all down.

She's a Tyrant at her BEST and a genocidal Chaos Maniac at her WORST.
You can not possibly compare it to what Dimitri has been going through.

In a couple of months when the dust settles down they will all fuck off to the next flavor of the month ironic weeb shit they latch onto.

>she was ultimately in the right
With the information she had to work with? Yeah she was. But Claude knows more about Foldan’s history than she does at the end of their respective routes. I think the only way BE could redeem itself and stop being by far the worst route is if you could at least fight the dubsteppers.

>How dare The Pope command you to kill the one behind two rebellions, attempted theft of Seiros Tomb, another attempted theft of Crest Stones, and who works alongside those who turn innocent villagers into psychotic murderers or students into demonic beasts

>posts obvious villain
Fitting af. Edelgard fans are one step up from people unironically claiming Robbie Rotten did nothing wrong. Like jesus fucking christ why are we even having this argument? It goes to show just how many stupid people actually exist.

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She's so cute when she gets angry

A tyrant wouldn‘t decide to abdicate his role after conquering everything.

>Edelgard lets the Slithers make crest beasts out of unwilling participants to bolster her forces
>Dimitri never even thinks of using crest beasts but his soldiers go behind his back and use them anyway out of sheer loyalty to him
Imagine not walking the path of true justice

>I posted it again lol

>Tyrant at her BEST

at the end of her route she fights and wins fair and square and willingly abdicates when things calm down leaving the people free and not under threat from constant fuckery from the church by far the best outcome, ends justify the means

You can be a Tyrant for "greater good".

edeltards are jizzbrains

I think user more considers the untactful choice of Executioner rather then the Punishment and "Victim" in this case.

Fuck off dumbass.

What should Edelgard do if she wasn't complete dumbass
>Bait and marry Dimitri since he's in love with her anyway
>Unite Kingdom and Empire forces
>Let Claude fuck off to Almyra and mind his business
>most Alliance lords are weak anyway and would join the giant El-Dimitri Union
>pretend to work with Rhea and tell them slithers' location so they would kill each other
>have Byleth as her secret lover cause it's an additional power source

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>free and not under threat from constant fuckery from the church
Didn't happen, church only put down actual rebellions. Instead they are under edeltards fuckery, play the game tard.

>ends justify the means
the end result where everyone who disagrees with her is fucking fleeing the continent from persecution. yeah you got "peace" after you killed everyone retard.

>sides with literal demons and murders like 20% of the population to "free" people from "church fuckery"

The whole premise for this game is the church letting everyone in to unify the land peacefully.

>B-but church looked kinda suspicious at one point and Rhea lied about her past!!!
Yep, totally justifies burning whole cities down.

...

>constant fuckery from the church
Yes, I mean, taking care of orphans, killing bandits and protecting the people from invaders.

NTR is never the right thing.

Oh boy, I'm sure that lying and cheating would totally not lead to even more chaos. Yep.

Honestly, that scene at the end of BL is why I will never like Edelgard.
After everything she did to him, Dimitri still forgave her and tried to offer her a second chance at life.
And she tried to kill him using the very same dagger he gave her with a smile on her face.
I mean, Dimitri can face his own actions in his route, Rhea learns and acknowledges where she fucked up, but Edelgard is incapable of anything called remorse.

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She basically lied to every person in Academy until her mask fell off

It's in her character to do so. I don't like Edelgard as a person, but I do like her a bad guy / character. She had nothing to live for other than pursuing her ambition, and Dimitri himself lit the match so to speak by giving her that dagger.

I am Ferdinand Von Aegir

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Wish I didn't have to level Heavy Armor to recruit him.

It's symbolic. Dimitri said that according to Faergus culture the dagger represents doing things your own way and this her her way of showing that this is her way and will not change it.
Or I'm just overanalyzing and she's just a cunt.

Just up your supports with him. He'll get in at d+ at like a month before the timeskip, at least he did with me.

I don't think it's over-analyzing it when the final chapter is called Oath of the Dagger

How big is this guy's dick? He's the only character who can impregnate Edelgard in her paired endings.

>to compromise is to lose
Ah, okay, so in other words, she is a remorseless cunt.

Why is Reinhard so based in everything he's in?

She's very "my way or the highway" kind of person. She would never want to live in a world where she didn't win, so the dagger is just suicide by proxy.

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I think Hitler is right too, but you don't see me spamming make nazi great again everyday on Yea Forums, now do you?

>brainwashing

>Edel talking shit to Dimitri about "muh you don't understand commoners"

Where does she get the gall to say this bullshit? She was born the fucking heir to Adrastia.

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I'm kind of disappointed that this guy doesnt become the new Emperor if you recruit him to fight against Edelgard
He is LITERALLY Reinhardt after all

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Oh and speaking of LOGH
youtube.com/watch?v=pxZzSTh1pxY&list=PLngyRGSBvhaXG3SDosT4ZK80pl8bgi94P
Entire series + movies on yt, time to rewatch

>sacrifice thousands of people in your conquest
>“okay bro I give up you won“
Not struggling to the end and sticking to her ideals would‘ve made her a cunt.

She spent her childhood being a labrat and being Arundels puppet.

Fuck off Claude you don’t accomplish Jack shit in your own route without Edelgard doing what you didn’t have the stones to do

And? What does it have to do with her not knowing shit about being a commoner?

>genocide get the religious.

Fucking source this you lying fuck. Oh wait you can’t because this literally is not stated anywhere

Of course she was user anyone who disagrees is objectively wrong.

Dorothea says the religious are being hunted down and forced to flee if you recruit her outside of BE

>spend years genociding the fuck out of everyone who refuses to comply
>Church is the only entity that didn't break apart and kept fighting for that whole time

You mean outside of how it's stated there's religious persecution?

Did Hitler work for/with the Jews and helped them on their agenda?

....yes? He sure as fuck didn’t genocide them and is responsible for the creation of Israel

Religious refugees flee to the monastery and that is part of the explanation for why it gets filled with people again

>ultimately in the right
>ultimately in
>in Ultimate
BROS!?!?! SHE'S IN

That’s a big fucking difference than the targeted mass murder of them. This is literal headcanon shit. Even in BE you have people like Manuela openly praying for fucks sake

genocide isn't stated but persecution is, play the game lol

>The whole premise for this game is the church letting everyone in to unify the land peacefully.

Yeah this 100% isn’t true, if it was Claude was have zero point being in Fodlan

I never denied the persecution, but that shit is common place especially in a stated religious based war.

It’s still not fucking genocide. Jesus Christ people literally do not know what the word means. We have ACTUAL IN GAME EXAMPLE of it in the aftermath of the Tragedy of Duscur and people still fuck it up

Gee its almost like she isnt as comically evil in her own route or something

It’s even worse when you think of what would happen if she actually killed Dimitri. She had already completely and totally lost, it’s not even a situation like with Dimitri in BE where victory was still possible.

The empire had been completely defeated, and yet Edelgard tries to kill the Savior King of Faerghus after he extends a hand of peace. If she succeeding in killing Dimitri there, the citizens of Faerghus would turn the Empire into Duscar 2.0.

ESPECIALLY if word gets out that it was Patricia who planned it. That would mean the empire is behind both regicides and a brutal war and occupation. Like holy shit Duscur would look like a fucking joke.

I have no reason why people call her a morally grey character. She isn't, she is just retarded.

She has two goals, to reform the nobility and to get revenge on the slithers. Destroying the church and the other two countries does nothing to advance her first goal and actively harms her second goal.

Claude starts off he game as an Almirante plant who doesn’t give a fuck about Fodlan

This
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This is pretty much it. If you're going to surrender when you lose, you shouldn't have drawn your sword in the first place.

>Signed non-aggression pact with the Soviets, and screw over Poland.
>Agreed to the Transfer Agreement with the Zionists to encourage Jews to move to Israel
He kind of did actually.

Please show me the proof where this happens even in other routes. Religious persecution =/= genocide.

I’m not even denying Edelgard tilts fully into the black into other routes, seeing as she uses her citizens as a shield but genocide is not one of those things

Again, she clearly has no problem killing anyone who opposes her and Chruch is literally the biggest opposition there is. Not only did she betray the Church but she did it while literally siding with this world's equivalent of Satanic cult. Oh and also that whole part where she imprisoned the deity that this church worships.

This shit is so extremely clear cut to the point where there is virtually zero justification for anyone to still identify with church and not do actions that would warrant prosecution from Edelgard.

That is just about the most insane logic I've ever heard
Go join up with ISIS edgelord

People loved Hitler too. They were wrong.

here
and if thats not good enough, she also is responsible for genocide in the kingdom by engineering a plague
she intentionally starves people until a plague breaks out, just like the holodomor

GD last map was ridiculously more easier than BE and BL's

>she also is responsible for genocide in the kingdom by engineering a plague
Now THIS shit is made up

In every route but BE she thinks the Goddess isn’t even real

But it makes sense? If you're just going to surrender when you lose, why not just surrender before the battle and save all the lives that would be lost?

the last map in edelgards palace was fucking awesome, really damn good
i especially liked it in church route where you had to defend dedue

So why was she reeing at Dimitri for not surrendering his country to her invasion during her route?
In other words, she's just a disgusting hypocrite?

Sounds like kino

Nope. Cornelia literally starves the population until a plague breaks out. Edelgard is fine with this.

because he's doing exactly what she says he hates by refusing to surrender and continuing to waste lives fighting a losing battle.

>where you had to defend dedue
Did you? I tried doing that and it led to nothing. No additional dialogue no him joining you etc.
I think he was supposed to have his moment in that battle and just die but the game didn't do a very good job making it impossible to save him.

Everything that Edelgard’s allies do can be attributed to her because she chooses to work with them, especially post timeskip where she has considerably more power and freedom. The imperial occupation of the kingdom is described as ruinous by a merchant

>he wants edelgard dead
>actually believing this.
Dmitri loses 100% of the time since what he actually wants is to fuck Edelgard.

And what could you possibly gain by making an autistic last ditch attempt to kill someone when you have already lost? Taking as many down with you as you can for no reason at all?

Spbp

forcing him to kill you

Dude cutting your own path lmao

So it's okay for Edelgard to waste lives to fight losing battles, but it's not okay for anyone else?
Where does her logic begin and end?

Cornerlia is a slitherer plant who’s a cunt in every single route.

Keep in mind even in other routes they’re still likely fighting a shadow war against them courtesy of Hubert, otherwise he wouldn’t have bothered writing that letter after their defeat in Church/GD to clue you in on their whereabouts

We call that "being a cunt"

Reminder that edelgard never lets anyone know about the slitherers, only Hubert does.

But she is Edelgards ally, sorry but I cant just do mental gymnastics and pretend that Edelgard isnt responsible for the actions of her generals and vassals. She started this war, the blood is on her hands.

she was on the winning end of the war for five years already. tons of lives were lost because of her. she can't just surrender after that.

The goddess literally isn't real though. She's a mortal dragon alien, who's been dead for the entire time the in-game religion has existed.

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Its either
>forcing Dimitri to kill her, since both of them existing wont be good for the world, and she know once the shock of defeat is over, she would start it all over again
>eh, both killing the leading figure and survive for another day, amasing force again while they run like headless chicken without a leader is a win-win situation
Both are naratively plausible

It’s still imperial soldiers killing people in the streets

Ah, thank you .So you don't have an answer to my question.

This fucks me off too, why wouldnt she say something if she actually cared?

>the goddess isnt real
Excuse me what?

>eh, both killing the leading figure and survive for another day, amasing force again while they run like headless chicken without a leader is a win-win situation
How is the plausible, all her generals are dead and her forces are routed, and Byleth is right fucking there

>So it's okay for Edelgard to waste lives to fight losing battles, but it's not okay for anyone else?
No, it's okay for both of them. They're both fighting for what they believe in. That's the point.

>a mortal
>Who can control time and literally creates life with her powers
not a god tho!

>he actually wants is to fuck Edelgard.
This but unironically

Because she's just a hypocrite who can't even be honest with what she really wants. Seeing Fodlan remade in her own image.
She doesn't give a shit about what happens to the continent if she doesn't win the war.

See
Edelgard killing dimitri doesn’t accomplish anything for her dream

Paranoia of slitherer plants, which after seeing what happens pre timeskip is pretty justified.

Going by monastery convos she does let’s some students in on something’s, Lysithea learns a couple things in advance if she’s around

I think all four routes were fun. Honestly I agree that in hindsight of all three of the non-Empire routes, her methods could used massive revision. But she doesn’t have the same luxury as us the players to glean such information. Her goal is to get ride of the social need of Crests since to her they were the underlying motivation such people like her suffered from (both corrupt nobles, greedy commoners, and the Agarthans). She justifies that by toppling the Church who has been promoting a fake history about the Crests anyway, that would be her first step to make a better future with everyone. At the same time, by going to war she can “accidentally” murder more Agarthans along the way and once she conquered all of Fódlan, she has the ability to root them all out from the other two territories.

Is she evil? From a European (Christian) perspective? Yes, she is. I can agree that Claude’s path does the same thing much better, combined with the fact that everything falls in his lap for it to occurs; even to allow him track down the Agarthans to their city. Again Edelgard doesn’t have such plot luxuries to benefit from. She is working with just the tools that she has.

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You dont get it, do you. A defeated leader being alive in the medieval age is an existence worse than death
>loyalists will cause even more bloodshed to free you/convince you to continue fighting. Cause the leader is still alive, theres still ‘hope”
>families of soldiers and civils hate you to the bone
>the humiliation you bring to the family
Unless you are a waaaaay bigger country failed to annex a smaller one, but still is relatively strong (see ancient China and all their neighbor, vassal countries relationship, or ‘Murica after the Vietnam war), you are better off offing yourself like Hitler

It's not the fucking point. If she believed her own words, then she should have surrendered after Dimitri breached Enbarr to spare the lives of her people since it's obvious she's not going to win at that point.
Instead she downs a drought of Slither cool-aid to turn herself int a Xenomorph to fight to the end regardless of the result.
So why was she chewing out Dimitri for fighting to save his own Kingdom?

for the good of the people right?

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why did she send bandits to kill herself in chapter 1? if you didnt have time powers she would have died right from the start

War was an inevitability thanks to hundreds of years of slitherer fuckery and worming their way into the Empire and Kingdom. Let’s not forget the corrupt nobles all to willing to help them along the way for the sake of keeping their power

There is no logic when it comes to Edelgard fags.
I spent years playing and discussing games that more often than not completely fail to create "morally grey" characters and I have noticed that no matter how hard they fuck up there are ALWAYS people who's moral compass is so fucked up that they would defend a love child of Hitler and Stalin that has just genocided half of earth's population just because developers have put one or two scenes with said character being "sad :(" or "sorry;(" about what he does despite never stopping.

People who defend Edelgard are the same kind of people who side with Jane in s2 of Walking dead or choose to destroy the city to save Chloe in LiS.

She should’ve surrendered after fort merceus fell really, literally forcing her citizens in the city to get invaded

Can someone post the image of the Black Eagle characters standing around in SS uniforms?
Thanks.

Sothis is a dragon creature who came to Fodlan from space. She was killed by Nemesis and remains dead until Rhea resurrected her in Byleth's body. During the thousand years between these events, the "goddess" was dead and unable to do anything. All the prayer and worship directed her way was pointless and could accomplish nothing. For all intents and purposes, during the entire time of the Church's existence, there is no goddess.
She didn't even create humans though. Agarthans were already living in Fodlan before she arrived, not to mention all the people in the world outside of Fodlan.

Can’t help but find the irony that Rhea indirectly causes everything bad to happen to her in this game on herself. Maybe she should have just fucked off permanently and lived a life of solitude away from the humans that caused her so much grief but she just couldn’t let go of mommy

Based. Edeltard is a fucking moron.

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Bro there is literal proof that she existed, like imagine if it was 100% factual and provable that Christ is the son of god. Trying to tell people that praying for his return is hopeless is kind of retarded

in GD and Church she asks Byleth to execute her at the palace because she knows that her staying alive after that point would undermine your victory against her, she's more direct in those routes because she trusts that Byleth would be willing to do it. in BE when you defeat Claude but decide to spare him he decides to leave Fodlan anyway, because he also recognizes that his presence would hinder the validity of the victory over the Alliance. the way I see it in the last scene of BL Edelgard wasn't trying to kill Dimitri as a last ditch effort even though it seems that way. when Dimitri reaches out and affectionately calls her El one last time she looks up at him and smiles, but she also probably realizes that after all that Dimitri's gone through he'd be way too stubborn to accept having to kill her, especially now that he has the perfect opportunity to reconcile everything between each other. throwing the sentimental dagger at Dimitri was the best way to provoke him into doing the deed so that in his mind he wouldn't have any doubt or guilt over it. also if she was really trying to kill Dimitri she could've aimed for his head or his heart, not his shoulder.

The real irony is that a lot of religions work under the assumption that man is inherently sinful, and she could’ve easily gone down that route

Edelgard's mum did everything wrong then fucked off out of the game leaving two fucked up kids

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you sound fuckin delusional m8

>If she believed her own words, then she should have surrendered after Dimitri breached Enbarr to spare the lives of her people since it's obvious she's not going to win at that point.
Did you miss the part where she admonishes those who enter a fight, only to surrender when they lose? According to Edelgard, if you fight, you should keep fighting until the end.
>so why was she chewing out Dimitri for fighting to save his own Kingdom?
Dimitri was the one trying to chew her out when he attempts to guilt trip her during the fight at Tailtean. Her response points out that they're both fighting for their cause. When the battle ends, she speaks respectfully of him, even despite him never getting over his lust for revenge.

We don't even know if prayer and worship is supposed to have any sort of power within universe's rules. It may as well be equivocal to paying respects to your king. Truth of the matter is, the goddess they worship did exist, she could get resurrected, the church was run by her child and she was very clearly the benevolent and loving type of goddess. All in all worshiping her is perfectly justified unless you want to imagine a route where people tell all deities to fuck off to create their own history which is not really an option in the game.

she started the war, the idea is if you start a war and lose you have no right to live happily. it's okay for Dmitri to surrender in this situation because he only picked up his sword in defense anyway, there are drastically different moralities in attacking and defending.

I wouldn’t put it past those that slither in the dark would still be a problem. Instead of being too distracted to take their revenge on Rhea, they would instead focus their resources on the take over of Fódlan with their same evil methods. Furthermore the Crest Users would be independent warlords constantly fighting each other in unending petty squabbles, only to have a Walhart to rise up anyway to conquer all of Fódlan for the sake of peace and stability.

Only sheepfags disagree

Speaking of praying, so whats the “lore-ish” explanation of healing magic? Reason ala mastery of the world’s element cover magical power, as in every fantasy game ever, really. But Faith is just plain weird when theres no real higher being answering you this time

I don’t even care if you people think she’s evil, Dimitri’s arc is overdone as shit and Claude strikes me as a gigantic pussy who needs the narrative to bend over backwards for him in order to accomplish what he wants.

Edelgard, to the degree it’s a massive character flaw manifested in her inflated sense of self importance as called out by Caspar, is determined as shit to make sure what she and other people suffered regarding crests wasn’t for fucking nothing, and she’s willing to make the tough choices to make it happen regardless of her personal feelings on the matter. That at the very least is admirable, even if it was kind of a no brained choice considering the political situation she’s in

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If there was proof that Christ was the son of God, that would prove there is a God, with all that comes with it (being all-powerful and all-knowing, listening to prayers etc.) We know Sothis existed, but we also know that she isn't a real, omnipotent goddess. She WAS a powerful and benign alien creature, but then she died. Everything that the church tries to sell the people on regarding her godhood or continued interactions with living humans is false.
no u

Have played G.D and Edelroute to completion.

Claude is the best leader and BASED

Edelgard is actually an interestingly written character and her ideals make sense, she was sick of the effects crests and nobility had on the world and didn't see a way to get rid of it all without fighting the church.

G.D still best route though.

Why does Edelgard never say this?

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Edelgard is offering surrenders like ducking candy on halloween in Crimson Flower my dude

>Claude is the best leader and BASED
>wants open borders
Pick one

I wonder what the personality of the real Cornelia was really like before she was repacked by those slithers. Was she a shrewd politician Ara-ara~ type? Was she the cloud cuckoo lander mad scientist? Was she a mother Theresa?

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can you imagine a thread where you don't try and start this shit

>I don't care if she started a war that kills thousands of people, bad people did mean things to her when she was little
Edeltards in a nutshell

Don't mind me. I'm just here to remind everyone that pic related has children and therefore was canonically fucked senseless by some lucky motherfucker.

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Claude is out to make a world where everyone joins in complete unison and judges each other by their own merits not by place of birth

Sounds based to me

there's probably just magical method and techniques taught through the scriptures, like how a lot of the jewish laws like not eating cloven hoofed animals and shellfish stem from medical knowledge at that time.

Sexy version of Hanneman.

Nothing wrong with open borders in a world that canonically has no arabs and niggers.

>you will never save Cornelia
It hurts

Probably not as a loli though since it seems that when she was 'reborn' it was literal and in game Sothis is a child.

I just want to BREED Rhea

"surrenders "
Where do you think the monsters come from?

Cope you obsessed tranny

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>We don't even know if prayer and worship is supposed to have any sort of power within universe's rules.
A lot of situations where prayer is mentioned point to the answer being "yes". Off the top of my head, Marianne praying for the goddess to protect Flayn when she goes missing, Marianne praying for the goddess to take her to herself (which incidentally also implies a belief in some sort of afterlife, which the goddess is in charge of) and Rhea/Seiros motivating her troops by saying that the goddess is with them during the battle in BE. Given that Sothis is dead, none of these prayers have a hope of being answered by the goddess.

>if you don't agree with me you must be a fan of hitler
yeah it's really the edelgard fags who don't like logic, i'm sure. Not fags like you who can't handle dissenting opinions.

It has wyvernfuckers and D*scurs though.

>The goddess literally isn't real though.
user, our are literally playing as the Megami Tensei.

>Monica was just a cute normal girl
>Tomas was a chill old librarian dude
>Cornelia was a genuinely kind and wise person who helped save countless lives by reforming Fhirdiad's infrastructure
>Arundel was a just and pious man who tried to protect his beloved sister and niece by spiriting them away to the Kingdom

It's sad that all the people the slithers killed to replace were very good people.

Guessing it’s for gameplay purpuses but BE doesn’t employ crest beasts on her route

Monica is a thot

There isn’t an Lore reason. At least not by our modern D&D and Christian standards in regarding the separation between Magic and Religion.

Faith magic seems to be not drawn from the Goddess’ favor, but seems to by the will and belief of the individual. I recall how Dorothea doesn’t believe in the goddess, but she believes in you when she asked to be trained as a bishop in class; you ending up becoming God not withstanding. Faith is really just White Magic in this game really.

Wish she got her own route and don't fucked off half the game. I seriously hope that the DLC is about her.

Kronya is a thot. Monica was just some NPC abducted by Death Knight Corps

>implying the gay atheist isn't the one with an army of tranny fans

see

This is what convinced me not to be racist. Racial differences exist and I was never convinced about tolerance. Until I realized unironically there are fuckwads in each race stupider than any nigger ever was defending the dumbest shit in the world. There is always someone worse than a nigger and it would hypocritical to kill niggers instead of these unironic commies and "greater good" fools.

>Marianne praying for the goddess to protect Flayn when she goes missing
Idk, this whole "praying when in need" thing could still have non-literal interpretations. May as well be just means to strengthen your faith when you are out of control.

>Marianne praying for the goddess to take her to herself
I don't think the game has given us any info on how afterlife is supposed to function so I can't say anything about that. Maybe it is literal and maybe Sothis has some power over it even as a ghost.

>Rhea/Seiros motivating her troops by saying that the goddess is with them during the battle in BE
That's the same as saying that the King or the Emperor is with you. Really the weakest example desu.

Same way Warcraft has the Holy Light and that Humans are all technically Atheists in that game?

Is it ever stated when Arundel gets SLITHERED?

>stop being racist
>advocate for eugenics
Dunno man

Yikes

1173, same year he stops sending donations to the Church of Seiros. 1174 is when Arundel brought Edelgard back to the Empire to be experimented on (and presumably also used as a hostage to force Ionius to concede defeat).

For what? Faerghus is in absolute shit

Not exactly but Dimitri states that Arundel's donations to the church stop around the time Duscur happened so it was probably around then

>BE doesn’t employ crest beasts on her route
Seems they did because gameplay purpouses is a weak excuse.
She's working with slithers, you know, they make crest beasts.

Did the game provide Sothis with ANY fucking justification to not just take over protag's body when he chose to side with Edelgard to torture and kill her daughter and their people?

>edeltards are moral relativists
Wow who would have guessed?

she's already dead, dude. the world of the living should be affected by only the living.

No, it's just that she relies on you so she doesn't need them. She aludes to this at one point pre-timeskip, if she has you she doesn't need them. She'd deploy them otherwise, they are in the monastery defence map.

Eugenics could technically make Abbos the smartest people on earth. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Eugenics and having the most basic standards towards your potential partners is also a form of eugenics.

Eugenics interpreted through race theory, on the other hand, are completely fucking retarded for the reasons that user has mentioned.

The only unambiguously evil force in the narrative as a whole is TWSITD. It’s pretty much going to be up to personal interpretation if you think someone who has no choice but to go along with their whims but silently biding their time to dispatch them fully is guilty by association or not even if she’s openly disgusted by their actions and that’s where a lot of the controversy is

She offered all of her power to Blyat and fuck off to a higher plane. Shes basically not there anymore until you/she will herself into being again as your eternal tulpa
And it feel like shes an indifferent god with a rather bitchy attitude, not malevolent nor benevolent. She just created life as it is

She thinks Sothis is a false god even in her own route

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She's clearly not the human kind of dead, can still influence the world and says outright that she CHOSE to not take over protag's body when he sat on the throne when you romance her. And it's all fine and dandy unless you do BE which completely fucks over seasonings and justifications behind all your allies that aren't Edelgard or Hubert.

I have to ask since this topic kind of ties with my question. Is it racist to excuse an individual because of their race? When I see an example of an minority doing something stereotypical, I now don’t get angry or reaffirm my hatred for them. I just look on with pity. Can I be really be angry at a dog for attacking a child? Can I really hate a shark for being a man-eater? Hating something because of their nature seems an insufficient reason. If a sapient individual is offended that I see their actions as expected of their race and can’t be helped, they should instead try to prove me wrong rather than re-affirming their own nature everyday.

Claude dies in Edelgard's route

It seems to me like you insist on looking for more convoluted explanations. The easiest thing to take away from "person prays for protection" would be "person person believes it is possible to recieve protection"
>That's the same as saying that the King or the Emperor is with you
Motivating soldiers by saying "the King is with you" works by offering them the comfort of knowing that there is some figure of authority they can rely on for protection or help. Mentioning the goddess here works like that too, which means the soldiers are to believe that they can rely on the goddess for help or protection. If the faith was clear on Sothis being an absent goddess, why would they ever take comfort at such words? They'd have known she can't do anything.

Eugenic through history has been used against the weak, disabled, malformed, under-educated people regardless of races ala the Nordic countries
To be honest, on a evolutionary/biological stand-point, its just survival of the fittest, but it feel sad as fuck

Not true, that is entirely optional and up to the player

What is supposed to be the appeal of Claude?

>Worshiping an indifferent loli god that just looks at you like shit and maybe reluctantly gives some of what you ask her if you bother her hard enough while also calling you a nuisance

Please. My dick can only get this hard.

My headcanon is that motherfucker was eventually reincarnated as Byleth

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I spared him. His dialogue is the same as during BL route except he doesn’t give you his bow.

I think she is referring to Rhea who she believes might as well set herself up like a false goddess with her religion’s dominance.

Do you still get the paralogue where you defend against Almyrans if you spare him?

He was supposed to be the bi option to appeal to western tastes but nintendo decided to pull the plug on that one. That is why he dances with either Byleth during the ball.

>indifferent god with a rather bitchy attitude, not malevolent nor benevolent
Just like your classic pagan gods here on Earth.

>When I see an example of an minority doing something stereotypical
It really depends where and how they were raised. People that tend to focus too much on races forget how powerful the culture around the individual is. US blacks are expected to behave in a specific way and they probably will, but said negro will act differently if raised somewhere else. Then again, globalization plays a huge factor too, and blacks everywhere else are expected to behave like US blacks.

I could hardly even play BE route. I know that other routes also force you to fight students but doing it as BE made me feel like a complete fucking asshole faggot. Feels like BE forces you to kill them as a main objective more often too.

Its... complicated, tb h
Its not just race, its education (and their attitude toward proper education), environment, stability, wealth, etc. like, if you are born in a hood where education is shunned, everyone is trashy and dirt poor, and has those “stereotypical” tendencies and behaviors, well you will be like them. Its a vicious circle
Know a black dude adopted way from SAfrica into a white family. Hes “white” as fuck behaviorally, and even show disdain and “racism” toward those other stereotypical blacks
And... Fire Emblem thread

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An outsider when it comes to Fodlan’s politics and culture, he can see the same events from a very different perspective. Carries less baggage than Dimitri and Eddie too, so he doesn’t go as crazy as them.

I think what some people don't realize is that the Church of Seiros is the centralized institution in Fodlan that's representative for upholding the status quo through the false religion that they propagate. The Church claims that crests and relics are "divine gifts", throughout history many rulers have tried to justify their position of power by claiming they were chosen by the divine. Having actual manifestations of "divine gifts", it's no wonder that nobility obsess over them to the point of rampant corruption. The problem is that Rhea and the Church aren't necessarily bad people, but it was Rhea's mistake for not foreseeing the inherent problems that could come stem from the lies she spread about her false religion. It's also due to Rhea's negligence to Fodlan's society that despite being in a position to greatly influence the content she still lets the obsessive mindset to run rampant. All of that is due to Rhea being too tunneled into trying to fix her mommy issues for understandable reasons once you hear her confession in GD or Church.

After the rampant success of Game of Thrones you’d think they recognize the western audience and more than capable of handling this

>Her methods are right if she wins. If she loses, then her methods are wrong.
You know this is just the standard japanese COPE over WW2, right? That's why it crops up over and over again in weebshit. Japs are assblasted.

I also believe that it's ridiculous that people think that the Agarthans can just be "taken out", the game definitely doesn't do a good job of showing off their threat or presence but that still doesn't mean it's that simple. The Agarthans have been "slithering in the dark" for over 1000 years now, scheming, and creating chaos in places where they have influence. The war that Edelgard wages, finally puts them in a position where they're confident enough to finally reveal themselves, they even send out missiles in an attempt to wipe your group out completely even though it would reveal their location. It's through Huberts efforts of investigating the traces of magic or whatever that the vital information is passed to Claude. Had there been no war it's possible that the Agarthans would've carried on as they had for the past 1000 years, sneaking around and taking over bodies of important people to influence Fodlan. It's incredibly anticlimactic but Hubert does still track them down to wipe them out in BE, it's just told in the epilogue. People like to say that BL "accidentally" handles the Slithers, but in the epilogue of GD where you take down their whole base, it still says that they come back and that the only reason they were defeated again is because Claude comes back to Fodlan with an army of Almyrans. Basically, even though you accidentally kill Thales by taking out Arundel in BL, it's actually the route that's least prepared against the Agarthans because you don't really learn anything important about them in that route, unfortunately regardless of this you don't really hear about them again, probably to have a perfect happy ending.

Basically in BE Claude lies to save his ass

Race is such a broad term and applies to so many people that you can definitively say that there ARE people trying to prove you wrong no matter how retarded your definition of proving you wrong is.
There are black scientists, black people who oppose racial politics, black people who are not fond of black history, literal black white ethno nazis out there who believe that most blacks should be eradicated.

Racism is all about you personally CHOOSING to ignore any of those examples and justifying that based on arbitrary (and not) statistic.
I.e. you can see blacks chimping out and identify their issues with their race alone but then see a bunch of drunk skinheads chimping out and relate their behavior to everything but their race.

>said negro will act differently if raised somewhere else.
We don’t have many examples to show proof beyond local tribal warlords but with fire arms and glorification of thug life by their own kind, but I can see your point with some places like Ethiopia being an exception; due to its Christian background. If only more people would self-reflect and try to prove the narrative wrong.

>the way she tunneled right onto you when she saw her old experiment is alive and kicking
Seriously, its tragic. Maybe at the beginning she just wanted to prevent a witch hunt against the crest bearer with her religion, but being an immortal dragon she was just desensitized toward humans suffering for a thousand years after

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How many speedreading dumbfucks have come in these threads saying “Why didn’t she just take care of TWSITD first” or “Why can’t she just talk it out” when the church themselves cannot even competently keep tabs on them and they have one of the most elite armies on the continent and that there are slitherer plants all over the fucking monastery as showcases by like, the entirety of pre timeskip

It’s not a simple solution at all

>take down Nader and force him to retreat back to Alymara
>Claude tells Nader he will meet him again in the future
>decide to kill Claude when the option comes up

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So why didn't Seteth or Flayn or the other dragons become obsessed like Rhea? Yes yes I know Dragon Degeneration and all but why is she the only one suffering it? Surely the other dragons are a similar age to her (well okay Flayn is younger but not by an insane margin).

Nowhere in the game does Rhea ever refer to herself as a goddess. Not even when she's Seiros in all the routes she appears in. Seteth, second only in authority to Seiros in the church, and one of the few dragons remaining, even refers to Sothis as the goddess they worship by name. They even have scene in GD and Church route where both characters specifically mention Sothis as the progenitor god as a third person. Even Cyril, a illiterate peasant and a outright non-believer of the Church refers to Seiros and the goddess as two different people. The fact that Edelgard is so stupid that she mixes them up, even in her own route, means she more ignorant than a illiterate foreign orphan from another country. That or she's so delusional she's making up her own head canon and accusing the Pope-equivalent of their country of being a self-worshiper.

OK so given that Edelgard did everything wrong, what SHOULD she have done?

Its like a family of 5 daughters, but only 1 somehow has daddy issue
Its... personal. Well unless they give you the reason why in the expansion pack that’s supposedly all about Sothis

>no pantyhose

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How come Hubert is the only guy with enough sense to collect data on the slithers and track them down? You'd think the church would be heavily invested in engaging in espionage of the Agarthans but I guess Rhea's mommy obsession muddled the water.

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>Your example
I don’t see an entire city full of whites sacking and looting business because a of racism, but you can bet your left testicle that a city full of blacks will do it on the off chance there was a “hate crime” committed on a fellow black by a white guy.

why didn't edelgard just have sex with dimitri? he wouldn't have turned into an edge lord if she really was willing to do whatever it takes to achieve her goals

Rhea likely ain't confiding that slitherer exists outside Sethet and Flayn (who were there) and none of them have that kind of skill. Since most agarthans use Dark magic it makes sense that Hubert being one of the 2 resident expert about it would be the one handling that

Because she didn't know that all Dimitri wanted was his sisterwife's cunny and he was too busy spilling spaghetti to tell her.

>Rhea is obsessed with mommy
>Flayn is pretty much a naive child
>Seteth is too tired of all this shit and just want a quiet life with his daughter
>the other 2 dragons dudes are chill as fuck
The OG5 are fucking useless

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Keep the status quo, work towards strengthening ties with other nations. Basically what you would expect from any other fraction.

>Nowhere in the game does Rhea ever refer to herself as a goddess
I know that. But that is probably Edelgard’s perception how Rhea keeps control. Not literally mind you, but what gives off illusion that Rhea has absolute power like a goddess.

>the other Dark Magic expert is Lysithea who is a slither experiment
DEEPEST LORE

Just let her herself die from the slitherer experiments bro.

Can’t work with them bro they’re evil bro who cares if it goes against the fundamental human will to survive bro

People play one route and then become too biased when they play the other routes to take in all the information since they just hear what they want to hear. I tried to go through each route with a neutral perspective which is why I'm able to enjoy and sympathize with each of the main characters. There's a lot of information you learn from each route that you have to piece together to properly see the full picture. People are going to keep being retarded and autistic to satisfy their hateboners though.

Well in a religious sense shes literally THE living goddess, cause the one from above is dead for a thousand year alr
>all the gospel and teaching are her invention
>all the goddess decrees are her decrees
She just lack that omnipotent power

Just wait a couple centuries for society to reform itself :^)

Seems like she trampled over pretty much the whole continent's fundamental will to love in the process.

Pretty fucking impossible considering Siltherers have shadow control of the empire. War is eventually breaking out one way or the other.

Even if Edelgard ascends the throne and does nothing, how long do you think Arundel/Thales is gonna be willing to wait before he loses his patience and takes matters into his own hands?

Have like a 10 minute conversation with Dimitri about how the Slithers control the Empire, were responsible for Duscur and that they also have plants in the Kingdom

Becoming a Dragon goddess and rule as queen of all Fódlan!
Marrying Seteth to be a dragon consort!
Having Dragon children to create everlasting dynasty of dragon kings!
Dragons!

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The second Edelgard mentions, even with her unique circumstances, she was working with the Slitherers or god forbid, being the flame emperor,Dimitri is going full murderhobo so that’s fucking out

Or like a couple of decades?
Rhea was giving Byleth full powers and according to literally any route it led to huge reforms.
Then the countries actually fixed themselves through even more reforms.

I think the problem is that the game never gives the impression that such duress exists even though logically it would considering the position uncle Thales has.

god i want to be rammed by dragon cock

The problem is that part 2 becomes super bias.

Part 1 tries to make the church ambiguous and paints your leader as the flame emperor (except Dimitri).

Part 2 has your best friend squad save the world and fix all its problems forever

>Rhea was giving Byleth full powers and according to literally any route it led to huge reforms.
Isn't that mostly because Rhea drained herself because of the war? It's hard to tell if a Rhea that didn't expend herself going full dragon would hand over the reins to Byleth.

It’s a small flaw in the narrative for sure but reading the background information and using some common sense you can infer that would be the case.

How else would Ionius just let himself be rendered politically impotent by the insurrection of the seven. They have his fucking kids hostage and are using them as guinea pigs

edelgard is reinhard, hubert is oberstein

Ah, a fellow (wo)man of taste, i see
Dragon is the best

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Best part is he even gives her the option to do that in the BL route and she goes full Danaerys

She is ridiculously merciful in her campaign in Crimson Flower. Ultimately she’s still the aggressor but Edelgard with Byleth tempering her worse impulses doesn’t devolve to the same tactics used in GD/Church like holding citizens hostage

Dimitri already thought that El was a puppet of Arundel that's why he gave her the dagger. Sure he would go nuclear but not towards her

Kinda funny how people are saying 'dude just let the reforms happens bro' when Ionius lost all actual power and his family because he tried to reform the empire and Lambert was fucking killed when he tried his reforms.
The fact of the matter is that any reform will be quashed by Slither interference with dire ramifications.

>I don’t see an entire city full of whites sacking and looting
You don't know much about European history, don't you? I'm not even saying that there is no truth to studies that say that blacks have on average less IQ or anything like that but you have to be fucking retarded to assume that groups of white people ransacking their own cities based entirely on them feeling like they are being cheated on was not something that happened all the time. It is more reasonable to blame it on USA and it's braindead approach to racial politics over the history.

Furthermore I think you know well that a bunch of hood niggers looting shit have little to do with (minority but still) of middle or upper-middle class blacks. As the latter ones would at best comment about it on social media instead of ever participating.

Right, so Edelgard should have just anticipated the coming of fantasy messiah then. Not to mention, Rhea fully expects Byleth to get Sothis'd when he sits on the throne and then only reflects on herself after a 5-year imprisonment.

Well by the time he gives her that option she's too far gone. Not to mention that even if she did take up that option, all that she could look forward to is a life of isolation as the Faerghus populace would not tolerate her continued existence at that point.

The war was one of the catalyst toward total reform, Byleth the other
And its not like you can wait either. Everything is going to shit all according to Slitherers’ plan, and no one but Rhea/Edel and Hubert know about them

You say this like they even have those couple of decades. TWSITD have firmly entrenched control of the empire and a plant in the kingdom primed to stir shit up whilst being located in Goneril territory in the alliance.

Who’s to say they don’t initiate their plan to wipe the church and Rhea off the map regardless of Edelgard’s willingness or not. It is virtually impossible to avoid war

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IMAGINE

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Okay kikeloving cuck, the bad guys still one ww2.

Edelgard wants to abolish the nobility and caste system, as if the nobles would let her do that quietly lmao. Ionius was the fucking Emperor before Edelgard and he was powerless to stop his 11 kids from being taken and experimented on. If Edelgard had tried things peacefully it's safe to assume that something similar would happen to her. In most of the routes Dimitri's fucking framed to be set up for execution, he probably would've gotten caught and killed eventually if it weren't for Byleth (practically Jesus) saving his ass. Lysithea was also experimented on too so the Slithers have influence within the Alliance as well. Honestly Byleth might be the worst part of the story because of how things are warped around him.

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So what was keeping the slithers from waking up Unga the first Bunga and have him deal with the dragons just like the good old days? Is Grug too uncontrollable for them or something?

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>ehhh guys
>I’ve been gangraped by mole cocks for years
>could use a little help

Well she DOES turn into a bug like an hour later, so you're not wrong. But instead of babbling about how she had to burn the world and start again without explaining WHY made 0 sense. Hell, she could have just repeated her war declaration speech and that would have been more convincing

even grug wouldn't be able to take on the entire continent at once

Lysithea being experimented on is 100% because house ordelia got buttfucked during a rebellion and got made a puppet by the empire.

They can’t control him. He’s the kind of guy where after he patch him up, he would then disembowel the doctor treating him to show how bad ass he is in a movie narrative. Remember he had chains holding his coffin closed.

Yeah there are points in the game where the writing is questionable

But he already did once before?

bro

Peak moment is BL gronder field.

>Okay leonie go suicide rush Dimitri
>>Wait why
>Shiggles, mainly
Later
>Gosh it sure is a good thing Claude was always our ally! He even counted on us sorting Dimitris shit specifically to save the alliance

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>How lovely would it be if this moment could last forever.

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One of these is not like the others.

>Hey...
>There are better places to sleep on them the ground you know

>wrong hair color

>is there anything more cucked...

until he lost

It feels like Gronder was supposed to be a Fog of War Map or somehing but IS just forgot.

Tbh having a loli voice in your head isn't that bad either. Like sure you can't have sex with her or worship her feet but she can still comment and respond to you as you masturbate or have sex with other women. This can be pretty damn hot and unique.

Imagine the backlash here on Yea Forums if such a DLC was released.

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And this time Rhea is weaker and the church isn't unified so Grug has a better chance of skullfucking her.

I'm playing through BL right now and I cannot for the life of me take Dimitri seriously. Claude and Edelgard at least have an ideological purpose in their killing, but Dimitri is just a fucking school shooter because a girl bullied him when he was 10. I have yet to hear him talk about crests at all in any of his support conversations.

A DLC where you can sleep on the floor?

why didn't nemesis leave behind descendants? did rhea hunt them down or was he just a big ol' gay.

Be honest. Did you like her Japanese VA or the English VA for her?

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I like her JP voice.

Maybe the Crest of Flames was just too strong for his children to handle so they just died?

Grug is strong but not invincible. Byleth + Claude double team him handily. Sure they both are top tier lads at that point, but there are other really fucking strong lads around who could possibly beat Unga down the line, especially if Macuil and Indech decide they wanna help out.

You can nature go wrong with Tara Platt. Was a blessing in disguise when Cristina Vee got canned for breaking NDA because I cannot imagine her cutest voice as post time skip Edelgard

He gets more sympathetic later, but BL route suffers from being the intended Route A. Much more simplistic plot that focuses on one dude and his mental trauma, rather than caste systems and churches being shady

One where you wake up and hear,
Hey, you. You’re finally awake. You tried to cross the border right? Walked right into they Imperial ambush same as us..

It is by far the most traditional of the 4 routes in terms of FE plots. Which is probably why Yea Forums likes it so much with their basic tastes.

This series has not exactly been know for its intriguing narratives that’s for sure

Super Saiyan Byleth can take him easily

Too bad SS Byleth is busy taking a 5 year long nap, plenty of time to kill Rhea dead.

Ask for help.

>He gets more sympathetic later
God I hope so. I just got Dedue back from the timeskip so I was really hoping maybe he will turn around now that his bro miraculously lived but he's still the same insufferable emo faggot he was just a month ago.

Let's assume that I understand Edelfags and find their explanation on how post-time skip BE Edelgard is not fucking insane legit.

I also understand the argument that your first route might greatly influence the way you perceive other routes.

With all that in mind, how the fuck do you even pick BE route as your first one?
>Haha we sure did enjoy our time together, teacher. By the way how about we betray the church and begin to systematically kill your studens for my personal interpretation of the greater good?

Like it's not even an edgelord route. It just feels bad and extremely forced.

Don't forget the part where you kill a guy that's surrendered and presumably unarmed, such a heroic route.

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He'll stop being edgelord supreme when Rodrigue dies.

Because at that point in the game, there is ample doubt in the church between Jeralt’s diary and his constant warnings to be worried about Rhea, and especially after that creepy ass conversation she has with you after Ch.10.

I wouldn’t blame the typical genre savvy RPG player to assume the church is bad with those hints

Although I enjoyed Dimitri's arc but his characterization was definitely the one that impressed me the least. Edelgard and Claude have clear goals for how they want to change society for the better but Dimitri kinda just wants to be "a good king". You also don't really learn much from BL compared to the other routes about what's really going on, I feel like if I had played all of the routes except BL I wouldn't be missing too much. I still had fun going through it though.

Keep in mind Rhea is locked in a dungeon.

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Meant for this

>completed Dedue Paralogue before time skip
Good going user

>I will smash that vile godess!
>Sides with literal Devil worshippers

Someone hasn't been getting enough dickings.

Honestly I don't know what IS was getting at with Edelgard imprisoning Rhea, honestly it could be solved by having uncle Thales go 'don't worry El, let us take care of her'.

She always looks so pretty, all the OP images have been - what a sight!

I love her surprised face.

>literal devil worshippers
Huh? Do slitherers even worship anything?

I love her face

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>is just a fucking school shooter because a girl bullied him when he was 10

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why are devil worshippers bad?

Not really, they just want revenge for (rightfully) getting fucking smashed by Sothis for thinking they can challenge a god.

Yea Forums doesn’t even play the game and just throws around random negative buzzwords though so it’s not surprising. They do the same with “””””genocide”””””

>Dimitri
>school shooter
>not the one that actually shot up the school

They worship dubstep

Have you just not been paying any attention at all?

Who would be willing to help Edelgard?

This but unironically. Literally none of that would have happened if Hubert wasn't such a fucking gimp and just fucked Edelgard once in a while to relieve her stress. Look at BE arc, the mere existence of a Male (or dyke) figure that she can actually be weak next to made her so much more reasonable and less crazy than in every other run.

Considering Rhea was fucked up for months after rescuing her, I'd figure Edelgard was draining her blood.

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Edelgard literally shoots up the school and you’re calling the game upset at the school shooter the school shooter

Imagine if lisythea could unlock the power of the Dubstep Bassdrop.

why couldnt they have let us kill arundel/thales on BE

Dimitri, Claude, Rhea. I mean she could have had them throw their weight at the Slithers and then invade when the fighting was over. But that would be too villainous huh?

Probably the massive justicefag with a crush on her and the dude that is also equally suspicious of the church

it's pretty simple, Edelgard reveals herself as the Villain, Rhea orders you to cut off her head, and since you are sympathetic to her after all you've been through so far you are reluctant to do it yourself so you say "i can't, let's just capture her for now". At this moment Rhea goes REEEEEE YOU'RE A FAILURE TOO GUESS I'LL KILL YOU ALL AND START MY EXPERIMENT OVER AGAIN RARRRRRR dragon form.
after seeing this you start to think maybe Edelgard has a point about the church.

It's true that the game up til that point doesn't do a good job of making you want to side with her, but I think that's intentional because it's important to her development. Kronya seems fairly irrelevant and underutilized in the story but her role is actually subtle. What happens is when she infiltrates the school as Monica and joins the Black Eagles she spends all of her time pestering Edelgard, I believe her role was meant to keep tabs on Edelgard and by isolating her from everyone else, especially Byleth, all of Edelgard's anxieties can fester within since it's clear that her defining character flaw is her inability to trust others due to her trauma. This way she's more easily manipulated to be a useful puppet for the Slithers because they know she's open about wanting to oppose them despite their alliance, they want her to be Nemesis 2.0 after all. At the Holy Tomb scene she's fully convinced that there's no way you'd side with her, and normally you probably wouldn't because of how shady she seems. The thing is the decision to side in her anyway despite all of that shows Byleth's utmost faith in Edelgard, which is why she's able to open up to everyone else after the timeskip.

Add up all those other who got fucked up by slithers. And Holst because it's his fucking territory.

The church stymied technological development!
>Brigid and Almyra, which exist outside of the church's influence, are at about the same level of tech as Fodlan
Explain this Edeltards

There are multiple non skippable scenes where dimitri talks about crests

yeah but really its pretty apparent from stuff like how impotent her father is; a number of people dont even realize arundel is thales though, so i understand why people dont realize the war was happening whether or not edelgard wanted it to

How would the Edelgard-Dimirti romance go down?

Which is also a retarded take considering the top lad in crest research has is desk 2 door down the hall from the Church pope.

>Byleth's utmost faith in Edelgard
There is no reason at for this though, considering she had lied to you the entire time

>hey I don't think this reasonable method would work so I will go full Hitler
>"can you at least try first?"
>nah

Because Jeralt warned you to watch out for Rhea before dying, you find his journal explaining she's why you're a robot with no heartbeat and he fled during the fire because she scared him thinking what she might do to you, Rhea immediately orders you to execute Edelgard on the spot instead of an interrogation or explanation. Reminder that at this point you know she has been crowned emperor and that if Rhea kills her the entire continent is guaranteed to plunge into war whether you side with her or not.

The moment you do decide to not conduct a summary execution, Rhea shouts that she's going to rip out your heart, turns into a dragon in front of every student present and then fucking murders you.

The reason all your students and the church knights besides Catherine are willing to side with Edelgard in this route is because they were witnesses to Rhea going full Immaculate One and smiting your ass. They don't know the full background because lol Rhea never tells anybody shit to begin with but they're willing to trust edelgard and you over your killer

What brainwashing? The church doesn’t even force their religion on people

>muh jeralt’s journal

He was also fucking killed by the flame emperor and his allies, and after remire questions whether leaving the church was ever a good idea. Come the fuck on dude

>fraction that serves an evil deity that attempted to murder progenitor god out of pure jealousy and lust for power despite that she did absolutely nothing wrong besides creating shit

How the fuck are they not comparable to Devil Worshipers? Nemesis has horns for fuck's sake.

I fucking swear, you Edelgard cucks are getting out of hand.

the lewdest of handholding

edelgard does try to probe claude to see if she can trust him, but claude shuts her down; the irony is that if claude confided in edelgard that he was an almyran outsider, edelgard would trust him more.

rhea's a non-starter because she doesnt trust her because of the info her father gave her. she either thinks dimitri is too naive, or just doesnt think he'd be any help since the kingdom is already compromised because of cornelia. anyway, i understand why edelgard is so untrusting because of her experience with the agarthan imposters, including her own uncle. obviously it'd have been best for the three lords to be on the same page, but its understandable why that couldnt happen

Jesus fucking Christ declaring what is essentially a religious Cassius Belli is not comparable to fucking Hitler.

I can understand the viewpoint that war is bad ofc but there’s levels to this shit

Yes, they refer to themselves as a cult. So they must have some spiritual beliefs. Thales even has a light motif and when he dies, he mentions seeing the light.

At this point Edelgard has trusted you enough to tell you her entire tragic backstory and asked you to be the witness for her coronation, also you've spent a lot of time with her and formed a bond. It's really not that hard to understand why Byleth might give her the benefit of the doubt in this situation, especially if he understood all her conversations earlier about how the group of enemies we're currently facing might not be as unified as they appear.

Every childhood friend trope.

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there's also seteth in the last month before the choice; the church was clearly written to look shady in part i

Kronya killing Jeralt was completely offscript. Not even Thales/Solon expected that to happen.

You can hear the visible disgust in her voice in the followup cutscene to that chapter

That was the point I was trying to make, she's makes a lot of damning actions in part that would normally make you choose otherwise, but by deciding to join her anyway, Edelgard is able to realize that someone actually trusts her for once because the decision at that point is very generous coming from Byleth. It could've definitely been handled better but I think it's fine enough.

It really is tragic that Dmitri and Edelgard love each other but their ideals will forever be in conflict so one is destined to kill the other

Goldenroutefags are gay

Please enlighten me, who is this evil deity you’re referencing TWSITDA worships. Because it sounds like you have completely made it up in your scizophrenia addled brain.

>church was clearly written to look shady in part i
That’s the point, to use the church is evil trope as essentially a red herring to cover the real conspiracy. The real conspiracy jeralt confided to you he was looking for, by the way, and he died because of it.

The Adrestian Empire is not a monolith. The Emperor has almost no power compared to the slitherers and the corrupt nobility they control, the people who killed your dad are not Edelgard's forces.

If she wanted Jeralt dead she'd have sent the death knight to kill him.

Half the purpose of fighting the war is to wear down the Agarthans and their strength fighting the church so they can be struck down at once by Hubert's ninjas after they've exhausted themselves getting revenge against Seiros

>Because Jeralt warned you to watch out for Rhea before dying, you find his journal explaining she's why you're a robot with no heartbeat
>game is literally telling you church turns you into an NPC

Isn't it funny how every person using Rhea's demand to behead Edelgard as a justification totally omit that part where Edelgard has personally ordered to ruin the church and loot it's scared tombs an hour before that?

yeah and that's why it isnt that farfetched that someone would side with edelgard in that choice, rhea's written in part I to not be pleasant

>The Emperor has almost no power compared to the slitherers and the corrupt nobility they control
Not only is this completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand but it is also completely and totally false. Edelgard immediately purges the corrupt nobility with the snap of a finger, in every route.

And the death knight has been kidnapping and killing students, and was present at the holy tomb

Nemesis. I think he might be technically a human but who gives a fuck, the dude almost managed to 1v1 a fucking dragon. And slithering ones end up resurrecting too.

>Plots with Edelgard for months, you can hear how Monica's tone is different when eavesdropping on their first conversation
>He's the captain of the guard and the most celebrated knight
>Edelgard's forces storm the monastery, with several characters thinking she's had to have planned the attack for months
>Other characters give you their condolences, Edel and Hubert tell you to suck it up.

The """sacred"""" tomb is a weapons cache of biological weapons Rhea was using for her experiments to resurrect her mother.

Rhea not telling anyone what they're actually defending is hardly a point in her favor, they're only sacred because she fucking invented the entire religion and said they are

a lot of dancing

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that's because of the element of surprise she gets by getting the throne, because she's put in secret efforts to gain her own faction, and because the slitherers are fine with her getting rid of disposable nobles as long as she's part of the war effort which is their primary objective.

the agarthans are the real power in the empire, edelgard is working in their shadow

AFTER she ascends the throne. Ionius was rendered impotent around the time Duscur happened and Arundel got SLITHERED and used the royal lineage as guinea pigs

Holy shit play the game dude, do you know what crest stones and relic weapons are?

>Edelgard loves Dimitri

did you not see the convo between the flame emperor, thales, and kronya?

Nemesis is a fucking tutorial bandit they convinced to raising Sothis’s tomb and is merely a tool to then. Where in the FUCK is it stated they worship him you fucking retard

>RACE MIXING GOOD

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Once she takes the throne she's able to eliminate incompetent and corrupt officials because the slitherers don't give a shit, she's not able to annihilate the Agarthans and the people serving them until the war is over

When she DOES try to kill Slitherers and their underlings and kills Cornelia, Thales nukes Arianrhod into rubble killing everyone inside as payback

Dude, you just completely made all that shit up.

She had the power to appoint nobility due to being the fucking emperor.
Yes, after she becomes emperor, which was always going to happenz

She does, the problem is that due to the experimentation she undergoes her memories of her relationship with him are clouded. She doesn’t remember the noble she had feelings for was him.

I don’t think she cries after putting him down In CF if this wasn’t the case

Yeah, it's hilarious because this whole argument essentially boils down to tone-policing.

>Rhea did not DO anything bad but she RAISED HER VOICE at me when she tried to order me around with that demand to behead Edelgard (who has been PROVEN to be inolved with plague, kidnappings, dark experiments etc bu that point) and it means that she's BAAAD

This is how you know that every single person supporting Edel is either female or a neurotic bipolar sperg.

Being made from dragon corpses doesn't change that it's an arms cache regard.

Rhea is more than willing to use them to make golems and shit

>Have special Lord class for the 3 house leaders
>specializes in swords
>none of them use swords

>This is how you know that every single person supporting Edel is either female or a neurotic bipolar sperg.
But you are the sane one, eh, King of Delusions?

Completely obsessed

Edelgard told Byleth that her first love was a noble she met from the Kingdom. Who the fuck do you think is it? Sylvain or some literal who NPC?

It is the LGBTBBQBRAAAAP route, of course it gets all the neurotic lunatics

>arundel is regent
>arundel is thales
doesnt this make it pretty apparent that the agarthans have a ton of power in the empire? when do you think edelgard gained complete control over the empire; five years before the beginning of the game she's imprisoned and experimented, with all her imperial siblings dying torturous deaths. do you think the agarthans just let her have power in those five years? do you think her father, the emperor, had power?

i was just basing it all on seteth being suspicious of her

why is silver hair so good bros

This is why the story is meant to be tragic, all of these characters have good intentions but for one reason or another they can't realistically work together despite having similar goals. Each of them have flaws that prevent this, Edelgard doesn't know how to trust others, Dimitri is too blinded by his anger and lust for revenge, Claude is secretive and lacks the drive to accomplish his ambitions, and Rhea is too obsessed with resurrecting her mother to care enough about anything else. Byleth is the magic that helps only one of them to overcome their issues. I do believe that the Church did have to go though because it's very representative of the status quo, and I don't Rhea would easily step down. Keeping in mind that none of the characters can realistically expect and take into consideration that Byleth has Sothis inside them, you only learn that really late into part 1 when they merge.

That you don't understand the plot of a Nintendo game and that you can't grasp morality beyond black and white is entirely on you though.

Play the game you braindead fuck, edelgard purges he nobility before the timeskip

>zero argument

Cope edeltranny

yeah but did she purge the agarthans from the empire? clearly she didnt since arundel is still around after the timeskip

I played golden deer and edelgard's heel turn came 100% out of nowhere and made no sense
I'm assuming there's more of a buildup to it in the other 2 houses

Edelgard is literally the only person that prevents them all from working together. BL on GD fights were not justified in the slightest.

The people who say this shit haven't even played crimson flower. Even after being emperor she's only fully in charge of an elite spearhead force that fights the most dangerous battles over and over. The bulk of the adrestian forces are under Thales' command and you even need to grudgingly support Slither fucks in some paralogues because if they fuck up and lose you the war before you're prepared to assassinate them all at once it'll be a big problem

That doesn’t get all the slitherers out , they’re still going to have their tendrils deeply rooted in the empire

They say she purged the "corrupt" nobles. For instance Bernie's father was put on house arrest while his wife took over. Arundel was shitting up that one region Ferdie's dad used to govern.

Nah, there's barely any outside of this whole Flame Emperor deal.

BL makes it fucking obvious as shit. BE Edelgard wink winks that shit pretty hard too and in Ch.11 she doesn’t even bother wearing the mask during the chapter

There is nothing stopping her from just walking up and killing Thales, he jobs in every single route. The only way the slitherers accomplish ANYTHING is because of edelgard

>Byleth is the magic that helps only one of them to overcome their issues.
OK but what stops Byleth from getting the three of them all together in a room and forcing them to talk it out?

Byleth is functionally mute

If it's so easy why doesn't she just do it? Oh yeah.

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Because Byleth can't teach all three of them and by the time Edelgard makes her move in the Holy Tomb the die is cast

plus a Golden Route is FUCKING BORING, didn't we learn that with Revelation?

>Edelgard walks up to Arundel and kills him inexplicably
>the other noble houses who once seized power from the Emperor who are on her side are supposed to just nod and accept this

The hints were there, even during GD.
>Edelgard hanging out with Monica intensifies

So exactly how does she ever intend to stop the nukes then, user. Does she intend to stop them by killing the only person shown to stop them?

This is a matter of semantics. There's two kinds of "corrupt" Noble being tAlked about in this thread.

The first kind are the greedy, stupid, incompetent, kind who abuse their power and lord their crest-based superiority over others. These are the ones Edelgard removed from power the moment she takes the throne because they disgust her and represent everything she hates about the church's narrative on crests.

The second kind are the Agarthan bodysnatchers and the nobles and generals under them. These are the ones Hubert is fighting a shadow war with the entire game and who are only dealt with in the epilogue. Thales is regent and has too much power and controls too much of the emperor for Edelgarde to fight right after taking power, she even tells you exactly this and begs you to not jeopardize success for the sake of immediate revenge for your father and promises they will all die

I'm dead certain 90% of the people whining haven't played Crimson Flower or Golden Deer or they would understand the situation in the empire

byleth not being the other twos teacher

>the other noble houses who once seized power from the Emperor who are on her side are supposed to just nod and accept this

Considering this is exactly what all the other nobles she purged did, why would you expect anything else to happen, she’s the supreme leader.

she does a lot more than raise her voice you tard, she turns into a dragon and tries to kill you the moment you do anything other than show total obedience.

like yeah, thales and the slitherers are terrible writing, and are as strong or as weak as they need to be. its pretty retarded that arundel just gets himself killed in BL without any attempt at using nukes or anything, but it is what it is

she gained the power to purge nobles because she's allied with powerful nobles who support her, you idiot.

>people still talking about byleth as if they're a real person in the game and not a fourth wall self insert of you influencing the game's narrative

come on guys

When will they learn?

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doesnt hubert have to convince edelgard to work with the slitherers because they need them and they can still take them out after?

>tries to kill you the moment you do anything other than show total obedience
She was judging following edelgard’s recruitment methods, you kill their family and repeatedly try to kill them, then they’ll join you because reason

In BL, the Kingdom and the Alliance join together out of convenience so that neither of them would get stomped, Claude still fucks off regardless because he doesn't care enough except in his route. In every other route Claude at most only keeps up the appearance that the Leicester Alliance is neutral even though there's actually tension between the factions inside it. in GD and Church you don't get to ally with Dimitri because he gets himself killed trying to chase Edelgard.

Byleth can only be the professor of one of the houses so he only gets to spend meaningful time with one of the lords.

what did Daenerys do?

Even if she kills Thales I doubt the remnants of TWSITD are going to take that standing, and until Arianrhod is nuked they don’t know where Shambala is

The thing is, they are never shown to be strong. That’s the whole reason they use edelgard in the first place, and the reason they used Nemesis as well.
She had the power to purge nobles because she’s the emperor

>nobody mentions dimitri
>brings him up anyway
true king of delusions right here, time to seek medical help.

>She had the power to purge nobles because she’s the emperor
because that worked out so well for Ionius, didn't it you fucking retard

Unironically kill yourself.

Yes, he even later writes in his letter that convincing Edelgard to work with them was a bad idea but because of his autism he wants to deal with the problem without letting El worry about it.

Because if Blue Lions route ended with Dimitri dying and the kingdom being nuked because they never learned anything about the Slitherers while they were focused on Edelgarde it would piss off everyone who chose the route for being punished for not knowing something from other routes.

They could fix it by making the kingdom capital be destroyed after Thales dies and segue into the Nemesis fight like Deer had. I'd similarly like for Crimson Flower to also fight the elites and Nemesis as their final boss, but I guess they didn't want all the routes to end the same way even though Slitherers are 100% the real threat

>Nah dude, it's fiiine. Don't mind me serving under slithers and directly supporting them and their atrocities for the better half of the decade. I'm just playing 4d chess, bro. I swear, Wait 10 more years and you will see that us killing hundreds of thousands of people was totally justified!

I think it's a rather fitting description for people inventing their own headcanon so that they can hate a character, yes

Now shoo, little idiot.

SHE HAD NO CHOICE

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>guess they didn't want all the routes to end the same way even though Slitherers are 100% the real threat

This is not even close to true. The slitherers get jack shit done without edelgard and the empire.

Play the game dipshit and stop projecting your manletness.

well they're theoretically very strong, considering the regent of the empire is one, and the actual ruler in the kingdom, cornelia, is one. that's 2/3s of the countries in fodlan that are being controlled by them. then they can infiltrate the church and any other organization really easily, as seen with solon and kronya. and they have nukes.

bad writing makes them out to be weak so they can easily be taken out

She was able to purge the nobles because she had the backing of the Slithers to allow her to do so, if she didn't ally with them initially the Slithers probably would've started another insurrection against her just like they did with her father.

What about what he said was headcanon? Edeltards can't even play the game. You are not entitled to your bullshit opinion if you don't even play attention, you know that? If you talk retarded shit you will get flamed for it. So fuck off.

In Crimson Flower his plan DOES work out and Schutzstaffel Hubert's Night of the Long Knives against slitherer fucks is a success. The problem is what happens when they don't win the war in the other three paths

they have enough power to kill off almost the entire faerghus royal family and blame it on someone else; they clearly have a lot of power

>she does a lot more than raise her voice you tard, she turns into a dragon and tries to kill you the moment you do anything other than show total obedience

Was she wrong in doing that? Did Edelgard surviving that ordeal lead to anything good? Did you forget that part where the people Edelgard was working on has spent hundreds of years murdering and making weapons out of her family?

It's bullshit Dimitri didn't even notice that something's weird with Edelgard like her change of hair color and memory loss during their time together at the academy. Imagine how much bullshit could've been avoided if Dimitri approached Edelgard and call her "El" and have a heart to heart conversation with her, making her realized in the process that he was the boy she fell in love with back then.

Cornelia isn’t the ruler that’s why she killed Dimitri’s uncle

That was done with the help of Patricia and the empire.

>implying that retard played any other route

dimitri's uncle is a womanizing fop; cornelia is the true power, as seen by how cornelia can have him killed and dimitri blamed for it

It's mostly edelgard that let them in the monastery

Yes and you will be exposed for the fucking idiot that you are.

I mean honestly it has been a month now or what and you still can't grasp why she would ally with the mole people.

If the writing actually shows the Agarthans having the presence and threat that the story claims I think people would have less misconceptions about why things happened the way they did, you basically have to infer certain things from the bits of info given to you.

It really isn’t, their endcard is the only one that shows the slitheres.

Because she's the villain? Now go hang yourself you brainless tranny.

>why she would ally with the mole people
But everyone does know that: because she’s a fucking moron who blames the wrong group

this is true, the game handles them really weirdly. i think they're embarrassed by how bad they are and so try to ignore them

I don't remember them ever being defeated in her route, it only said they were fought.

This is the only edelgard Picardia that's actually accurate and it's not a fucking secret or anything, she straight up tells you from the beginning of Crimson Flower that her plan involves pitting Thales and Rhea against one another and using that chance to wipe them both out. She also admits from the start that this plan will leave a ton of blood on her hands but it's the only way she can shatter the status quo and purge molemen at the same time

Did Hubert and Edelgard know Cornelia was a Slither when they attacked Arianrhod in Crimson Flower? I didn't grasp if they were playing dumb when Arundel started interrogating them or if they were actually unaware of her role in the conspiracy

youre braindead kid

Yes, and it'd only be the hundredth time edeltard tells some lie or bs in the game.

in Byleth and Hubert's paired ending it says that Hubert handles them in the epilogue, it's safe to assume he always does this in BE's ending. in GD where you go to their base and deal with them directly, Byleth and Claude's paired ending says they STILL come back with a really strong army so there's much more of them. BL's the only route where you don't really learn or hear too much about them despite killing Arundel who's Thales.

yes they did, that's why they insisted the attack would be done by the strike force; if byleth tells arundel they killed cornelia on purpose, edelgard actually approves.

>black eagles strike force

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>not having a cool name for your group
what are you, not a chunni or something?

>was she wrong in doing so?
yes absolutely, she drove Byleth to distrust the church in that moment, if Rhea's goal was to win and survive then turning into a dragon and attempting to murder byleth was absolutely the wrong thing to do, this has nothing to do with whether or not edelgard living leads to good outcomes, it's about Rhea clearly lacking the ability to work with anyone other than a mindless servant. It shows how much of a tryant she is that she immediately attempts to murder a person she sees as a son the moment they disagree with her.

Yes, they killed her on purpose and played dumb to Thales about it and because he's also a paranoid fuck he couldn't prove they knew, but he still annihilates the entire city killing everyone they managed to save as revenge because he's a piece of shit.

Somehow posters here think the slitherers are pushovers who she should've single handedly dealt with the day she took the throne despite their ability to wipe the most secure fortress city in the continent off the fucking map just as a threat

Reminder this is the solo ending everytime edeltards tell you she "stopped the slitherers after" you can point to this.
>Byleth fought alongside Edelgard to bring an end to the tyranny of a godlike being. Though he/she was wounded in the battle and lost the power of the progenitor god, he/she remained determined to walk his/her destined path. With his/her legendary blade in hand, he/she will never stop standing against those who slither in the dark until Fódlan at last knows everlasting peace.

>his emblem is a fucking deer

this is the best defence edeltards have for the tyrant.
>we had to go along with them all the time cause they strong lol
meanwhile dimitri kills them all without even giving a shit, she was the one that gave them power in every route, for her retarded ambitions.

Edelgard literally never had a choice but to cooperate with Those who Slither. Any heir to the throne who didn't play ball would have just been replaced

It's only when Edelgard has solidified a base of power loyal solely to her, separate from their influence, that she and Hubert can start making moves against them.

The problem with Revelation is not that it’s a golden route.

Cope harder faggot.

Dimitri is sovereign of an entire kingdom, Thales controls most of the empire's forces while Edelgard just has her chu2 strike force under her direct command.

Dimitri dies like a dog without byleth's help in three other routes, don't pretend he's any better off than Edelgard without enlightened one cock

Play the other routes and shut the fuck up.

Man, just kill yourself dumb fuck. If you can't even see the problem you are braindead.

So what's the deal with Byleths VA? I know they replaced him in Heroes because he raped 12 girls or some shit but, are they going to replace him in the actual game in a future update or just leave him uncredited?

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>Edelgard literally helping slithers to do crimes against humanity and admitting to do that
vs
>Rhea "driving someone to distrust" by keeping her past secret and getting too emotional once
>MUH EMOTIONS AND INTUITION over facts

People have been meming about Edeltards being twitter trannies, but god damn.

if you defend edelgard not only are you dumb you failed to understand the story.

She always had a choice that’s the point of her character

It’s outright assassination of her character to say she didn’t have a choice. Like nigger really

Probably replace him. They alr hỉe a new VA for Hẻoes, ít cost effective to recast 3H too
Its not like Byleth has tons of voice clips

Of edelgard’s goal was to win allies over why did she trying killing them all numerous times while working with another group killing and kidnapping them

You are getting dunked on hard, bro.

yeah, your right. Byleth should've just let Rhea murder him for not wanting to execute his own student, after all it's the reasonable thing to do in that situation.
the irony of you defending Rhea's tranny rage and projecting twitter mentality onto the people who don't is palpable.

Would it kill her to establish Relationship with Dimitri and ask him for help instead of going genocidal? Is there absolutely anything suggesting that he would refuse?

What exactly were Edelgard's means of opposing the slithers without Byleth and the Strike Force's help

Even when she's acting as the Flame Emperor she's clearly pissed about Remire Village and the other shit they've been doing