Holy shit, they actually did it. It's perfect. The only bad thing is how time consuming it is

Barrens in general is cool but I love leveling areas like westfall, darkshore, duskwood and the capital cities with the underground tram is super nostalgic for me.

Alliance has objectively a far better leveling experience with way more interesting zones. It just has more boring races. Blizzard were rushing when they were doing the Horde quests, they spent a lot of time getting Alliance right and horde came out as a second rate addition.

God it's time consuming. I keep neglecting other stuff that needs doing.
Then when I finally get away from WoW I start browsing fucking Yea Forums to talk about Wow.

It truly is the 2004 experience with people still clicking their spells

Proof of them rushing?

>play rppvp server
>get invited to a guild
>every single member is erping with each other

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Its pretty amazing how fucked your life gets playing WoW. I keep just ignoring everything to play more.

>less linear
ah yes I love having to walk around lost at 1 mph because the quests are all over the place with no pattern

Kinda split, as Mulgore and Barrens are >home for me, but so are Elwyn Forest and Westfall

I have ghost wolf so I don't care, but alliance side is definitely easy mode.

engadget.com/2013/08/02/wow-archivist-when-blizzard-hated-the-horde/

When WoW released everyone knew that Horde was second class to Alliance. It wasn't until the expansions hit (remember TBC took 2 years) that Horde got some love in both content and lore and people started crying about horde bias.

Fact is the expansions had to make up for the fact Horde got shit all for content at launch, they had the worse zones, the most rehashes and the most gaps between their levels with missing and unfinished content to blame. Barrens is one such example, it is two times larger than any normal zone because it was supposed to be two zones, but they never finished it so it just became one fat one. It also has the widest level range of any zone in the game, which turned into a real clusterfuck with Crossroads because you could shut down the whole server by dominating it as Alliance which is why it became such a meme.

Its why I want Classic+, I think they could add in new quests and improve the zones with some tweaks for both factions to bring the whole game up to par.

Yeah but you get to be the underdogs, try going to undead leveling zone if you get tired but you can also go to ashenvale or stonetalon mountains or southern barrens or...

I thought "I'm an adult now. I can keep it under control and just level slowly and read the quests like I've always wanted while still focusing on training and fixing my house".
Nope. I got one hour of training since there was a one hour queue on my server yesterday.

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>perfect
Well, almost.
They shouldn't have started on 1.12. Made Rag way too easy. 16 debuff slots too.

Also they should have caught and fixed the getting full XP in raids bug sooner.

back in the day i rebound all the skills to different keys, now i just click half of them because im too lazy

Its definitely more addictive than any other MMO i've played. Even when im playing my warrior im thinking
>damn i really want to play a mage now
People keep talking about running out of content but honestly I think I could play WoW for a couple of years and not even know where the time went.

Its just the right amount of lazy challenge, comfy, immersion and 'oh neat i want to do that/have that' which makes you look up at the clock at 8pm realizing you haven't drunk, pissed or eaten anything since you started playing twelve hours ago.

Very interesting, that would fucking suck being camped.

I rolled Horde as well and still prefer Alliance, though this isn't my first time leveling Horde.

Alliance have objectively better-looking zones as well as more variation. The only issues are that Westfall scales up in levels extremely fast, and that they have way more running across the zone/world quests than Horde.

>enjoying the NEET life with WoW
>wonder if im not wasting my time
>middle of the night, running through barrens with this other alliance guy so we can cover eachother
>end up doing some quests together
>talk
>he has 3 kids with two women and has to wake up at 7 to get the kids ready for school
And then i felt nothing but happiness

I certainly think they should have adjusted Rags health when upping it to 16 debuffs. Probably adjust all the bosses health.
The xp raid buff bug was fixed in an alright time. It won't matter a week from now when it was fixed.

lol, I'm 36 years old, I've got no time to queue for a mob. If I didn't ninja it with my ninja group in less than 5 minutes, we'd just go elsewhere and do different stuff. Queueing like this is stupid.

And I love that it takes a long time to level. WoW Vanilla is like a huge RPG you play with other people, where as retail and other stuff like Guild Wars are more like action games where you do everything as fast as possible.

>implying they didn't have a fix for it long ago and didn't just wait until method hit 60 to send it out

reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/cxat9l/the_classic_wow_effect/

That's what you get for rolling on Deviate Delight.

old.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/cydxoo/asmongold_failed_classic_wow/

>Perfect
If it was perfect they would have used Nost's idea and buffed world and dungeon/raid mobs and bosses. Vanilla was always easy as fuck and now people are starting to wake up to this lie perpetuated over years and years.

Classic+ when?

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>ill just buy a sub, its just 13 euros, just play the beginner zone and soak in the experience
>yeah ill stop at 11 oclock
>ow wait, sure ill do a dungeon, i can wake up late tomorrow
>sure ill do it again, i want the robe that drops
>going to bed at 3 oclock isnt a problem
>no im not mapping out my questing route when im not playing
this shit is fucking coke. I feel like that guy in breaking bad. When Gus comes back to mexico to tell him about crystal meth, and he's like "no i dont want that synthetic shit, we sell coke, and only coke". Ive played many other MMOs after WoW and none of them attracted me. Ive tried to get addicted, ive tried to let them suck me in, but after a week i didnt feel like logging in again. This game however, this game just sucks you in like nothing else. Even though its not as complicated or advanced as modern MMOs, its the only drugs for me

In vanilla back in the day, I joined a guild and went on their ventrilo. They were all workers from the same hospital, nurses, doctors etc.

Then they asked what I did and I was a 17 year old neet pothead. I just /gquit on the spot.

kalimidor is a fucking mess for alliance though. The NE place is really out of position and it takes hours of flight from theramore to the rest of the place.

Its the whole reason Horde either love/hate Barrens so much, as well as their general experience. Its a lot harder leveling as Horde and the zone design fucked you over so hard you either went mad or loved the challenge of it.

To top it all off you dont even get Paladins, which while they are a DPS meme they are gods for PvE for heals and buffs. While shaman totems were never as effective and even once they got buffed they never really kept up with Paladins. Horde salt towards Alliance was immense at launch, moreso than any other time in WoWs history. Its probably why Horde still shitpost against Alliance a lot more than Alliance does, Alliance has always been in a good place but Horde has come and gone based off random patches of the month.

To be quite honest the only thing pre-TBC horde have going for them is the race aesthetics, everything about their faction is pretty bad in comparison to Alliance from quests, dungeons, cities, music, ect and I never saw any point in playing them in any vanilla version of the game.

the game starting on 1.12 makes a huge difference

Well, at least by the time we get to Naxx it'll be fair again with us being on 1.12 with full debuff slots etc.

After Naxx I want them to go into Classic+ with TBC and Wrath but without flying (rework the zones if needed), no lfg and no dailies shit.
Then scrap cata and everything after and develop it into a different direction

best zone to start with for level 30?
no i don't feel like going down to vietnam

the flightpath at the tauren camp really helped the barrens though. its still big but its okay.

>this crusty game still holds up today
Are MMOs dead?

God, i was leveling in ashenvale at the furborgs. Then suddenly a huge lvl 35 elite ancient protector came stomping by, fucking amazing. feels like i saw a natural wonder

>Having the need to rush to 60
>Not knowing that the charm of classic is the leveling and class quests
Zoomers need to leave.

outland kinda sucked the playerbase out of azeroth though. it was a lot nicer when everyone mixed together, sometimes you run through a lowby zone and help some guy take hogger out or something, its nice.

I'd be down for a reworked northerend that has some lvl 20-60 zones in it.

I really, really wanted to like GW2, even had a friend join me. I really liked the aesthetics of one races and got the perfect character looking exactly the way I wanted with a lucky rare dye drop while questing so I was pumped.
Nothing.

Now I'm levling the ugliest pink/orange/white mess of a female orc character I've ever seen and I can't stop playing.

>not saying youre a neet pothead, bask in the awkwardness, then quit

The fact is many MMOs copied WoWs general idea but never captured its soul.

There are a thousand tiny things which all add up to make the game unique, like special items/armor/weapons which change how you play. Ravager is a neat example of that, warriors will keep it on them from levels 37 to 60 just because of its unique 9 second cleave effect.

I cant even think of another MMO, apart from RS, which has those sort of fun effects. Where finding a blue actually means something and the world is littered with fun small things to engage in.

me too, i played GW2 a week before wow classic launched to get back into the groove and it almost made me reconsider playing wow because it was just so boring. I dont even know why, im doing the same shit in wow as i did in GW2, killing mobs for some dude in a fantasy world, but wow keeps me going

Should I change my leveling strategy?
I'm a human and went to the night elves right away cause I thought I might as well get a head start on my darnassus rep and do everything that gives me rep for them (want a saber later on).

So I did 100% of Teldrassil. No problem.
Then I did 100% of Darkshore. Was already sketchy, at the end I was underleveled compared to the few quests I had left despite killing a LOT more mobs than I had to and grinding on some shit inbetween quests.
Now I'm in Ashenvale/Stonetalon and I'm just flat out underleveled.

This doesn't work out for me I feel like.

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Interesting, Barrens is by far the best leveling zone in the game though, connects to many places and you can be there for a long time.. Very immersive. It seems that sometimes accidents are good.

they did kill that stuff though. Like you had the gauntlets that give +5 weapon skill, or the hurricane bow that has 1.5 weapon speed, those are special, but they never made non-60 weapons like that again. Reminds me of diablo 2 and 3, in D2 you had a lot of lvl 40 gear that remains amazing. but in D3 its "level to 60 and go into the gear threadmill faggot"

Had the same problem. Ashenvale has some lvl 20 stuff, then if youre done with those switch over to a few quests in wetlands, into redridge, then some more wetlands, go back to ashenvale when youre ~25 for the other quests (i just recently did a lvl 29 quest in ashenvale, shits crazy in level difference).

It's also RIGHT next to Org/TB and everyone sets their hearth there.

Raids on xroads are either complete stomps because they happen so often people can't be bothered to defend or they get stomped when they do bother.

I really love unique weapons with cool procs and such things.
Retail WoW doesn't do it anymore and FF14 has the worst items in MMO history. Literally EVERYTHING is just +x/+y to your two stats.

Yeah, which is why the game became shit. In many ways it isnt actually designed like an MMO is normally. The idea of a mid level item/weapon being as effective in some situations as an end game item? You don't see that in MMOs. Whatever is level 40 is better than 30, whatever is 50 is better than 40, ect. Its boring and static.

Its ironic really, people who dont know how to make an MMO make the best MMO because it follows very few of the MMO tropes.

> When horde don't instantly kill alliance scum on sight

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it's the perfect game to play when you want to relax, I'll give you that.

>In many ways it isnt actually designed like an MMO is normally
except this wasnt the norm till WoW. WoW did the level up and start grinding gear stuff.

>Got a Killmaim off the AH for only 1g
>classicdb.ch/?item=13016
Been top DPS for every party i've been in, including for mages who are higher level than me from this bad boy. Its amazing to know that there is always some super rare world drop item which can really boost your experience, its fine to use the generic greens but a good blue really makes a difference and is fun. And it only gets better as you level and find the real unique stuff.

Its just so fucking neat to actually have a world that feels like a world and not just endless stat increases of irrelevant variations.

ESO does it better. Pretty much every item worth using is part of a set, and very few set bonuses are simple number increases, they're almost all entirely fun game changers. In addition to this, gear scales to the level you are when you get it, so if you like a set you can go back and get more pieces of it once you're at max level.

ESO is dogshit because it has zero challenge unlike vanilla.

Shit opinion. Alliance is a bunch of nobodies.Nigh elf leveling zones are a horrible mess and the 4 good zones (Elwynn forest, Westfall, Redridge and Duskwood alliance doesn't have anything going for them. You could argue about the cities, but when you think about it lore wise, no wonder alliance could affort to build shit like that when they haven't been really doing anything. Also, zeppelin > tram.

Yeah but it's ESO.

If you had ended at "ESO is dogshit." this b8 would've been better.

I rolled a PvP server but in hindsight 90% of the world PvP is boring shit. Like i let a low hp drinking priest live because it was boring to kill him, 5 minutes later he and his rogue buddy kill meand corpsecamp, while they first waited for me to attack a mob. So now i just clear any horde i see because most people just hit you when youre low. Or when two lowlevels attacked me after i walked by them one by one.

Salty post-wrath horde player detected.

Vanilla Alliance > Horde and that's that. I like horde as well but its poorly designed as a leveling experience. Hundreds of thousands of angry horde players from 2004 are not wrong.

>play rppvp server
>get invited to a guild
>every single member is spamming twitch memes

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I would have played Horde but I hate orc architecture and Orgrimmar so much

Stylish plumage. And that bird is pretty cool looking too.

Amen, brother. Cobblestone walkways and tidy streets for me. Come home, white man.

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Salty post-TBC Alliance player detected.

Vanilla Horde > Alliance and that's that. I like Alliance as well but its poorly designed as a leveling experience. Hundreds of thousands of happy horde players from 2004 are not wrong.

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>play rppvp server
>get invited to a guild
>everyone keeps shitting on races other than humans and dwarfs

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>sell shit on the AH
>try to save money everywhere
>have a few gold at lvl 30
>go to trainer
>90S per skill
>only buy whats neccesary
>still lose a bunch of gold
ahhhh

Yeah I'm not sure if I'll make it either. It's so much easier saving on pservers with an already established economy. I really want that mount though.

Wow is also just a copy of Everquest, with more polish and user friendliness. MMO's haven't evolved much since 1999 and that's fine i guess.

this is what classicbabs creams for?
holy shit just go outside

WoW is literally just everquest with more polish.

horde is slow at the start but gets faster than alliance at higher levels
alliance is fast then slows down at higher levels

yeah, once some 60s are around that didnt bother with professions until lvl 60 you can make good money. Like I put a bunch of meat on the market and often it doesnt sell. The early stuff did, but then people cant keep up with cooking and drop it.

>had 200g by the time I hit 40 on Northdale
>currently at 8g as a 25
Granted, I've been sending all my herbs to a level 20 alt for alchemy instead of immediately selling them this time.

>t. Ngubu

>only bad thing is how time consuming it is
Thats kind of the fucking point of an MMO.

It's nothing like vanilla, anyone that think it's perfect is a retarded zoomer that can only imagine how the game was

I wish rested was less useless. Its a nice mechanic to reduce the pressure of leveling if you cant play for a while, but the trickle is so tiny. I wonder why blizzard never buffed it

some dude made a guild called MAGA and kept harassing undeads. tells them to go back to the scourge and calls them Rotbacks

It wasn't designed for you to use regularly, it was designed for people who couldn't play regularly, like people who only play a few hours a night, or only on weekends, where the rested can have time to pool up to the 2 level maximum.

Kind of the antithesis of BFA

Yeah... it's perfect...

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Yeah, that's the same sort of reasoning why I enjoy FF14 so much.

20 Druid and 16 Paladin. Still don't have a clue what to main. The struggle is real

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for it to fill up 2 levels you would have to not play for a month. Unless the rested trickle increases over time.

its not perfect at all
fucking layers and private server tier bugs abound

10 days to max out on rested

Again, its designed for people who don't play regularly, you probably won't blow through 30 bubbles of rested xp if you only play 2 hours a night.

Does anything in the game feel anywhere near as good as critting on warrior?

greater heal on someone about to die

the duality of man

classic is shit
retail is shit
wow is shit

Considering this is 1.12 nope

Sadly 1.12 killed most of the fun in vanilla, naked rogue 1v1 was my jam back in the day

>friends got ahead of me by ten levels
>scared of asking randoms to group up because they might think I'm bad

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Method still fuming about getting gnomed?

it amazes me but sometimes I really forget that there are people that are too autistic for world of warcraft out there

What's a good weapon progression for warriors bros

Legion with Vanilla 1.12 skin*

>WoW was a casual pandering shitfest that killed MMORPGs
>no good MMORPGs anymore
Why live?

Critting a fireball then immediately critting a fireblast on a frozen target as a mage comes pretty close.

Its emulating 1.12, which was already a fucked patch

I mean its not emulation when they had to write code to replace lost code, its a skin for legion to make it look like 1.12

What do you mean? Just anything that highest top end dmg

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don't be in such a rush to choose
as soon as you stick to a 'main' a little bit of the magic will be gone

PALADIN

SMITE
HEAL
BUFF

Just grab the slowest 2h you can pick up on the AH or from people looking to trade for cheap, try to upgrade every 5 levels

Trying to get big items from dungeons is a waste of time, the only weapon you should consider going out of your way to get is whirlwind weapon

I didn't enjoy the tedious walking simulator. Waiting till TBC is out instead, was a much better experience than Vanilla.

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Ah yes, TBC

Raid Log simulator

>3/3 thunder clap
>no deep wounds
>no impale
excuse me?

man i want to play wow classic but i can't bring myself to blow 15 bucks on it every month since it isn't getting new content or anything like that

INV FOR LAYER PLZ

HELP IM GETTING GANKED INV FOR LAYER
NEED LAYER FOR NODE

I wish I could play shaman as an alliance.

Then just play on a private server.

I just did a quest where I had to find an antidote for a troll outside Orc town. I did the whole quest blind and finished it with less than one minute on the clock and it was a ton of fun. That quest would have been boring if the movement speed were higher but with the slow crawl speed it was tense and exciting.

>it isn't getting new content
Never understood this complaint since you will never finish the content that's there already.

>Fall down a ledge
>A hunter with two mobs and 15% health left runs to the area above me
>He turns around to accept his fate at 5%
>Get off two heals on him from my spot saving him
>Run off down the canyon with him never even seeing me
Feels good man

I have, problem is one of the big appeals for this sort of thing is the fact that there's always people around at all levels, i look at private servers and everything's a ghost town, not nearly as comfy

They should do Classic+ but keep the level cap at 60 period. The new content they add should be targeted at all levels. Some raid content for fags at 60 like one raid every other year or so but then the rest of development should be on 1-59. New dungeons new areas all should be below level cap. New items should either be as strong or weaker than Naxx.

New items should be for hybrid classes so they can actually use the other specs in some manner.

Fuck don't get my hopes up

Seeing that clip warms my heart.

Yeah but that is pretty meh. Even if you can only play during the weekend you only get one level of bonus exp. Which is pretty bad

Rogues long lost the right to complain about anything

>"friend" doesn't wait for you to level with him
he's not your friend

I have the living room staff from WC and I can't decide between that and the crescent staff from the quest. Crescent staff has one less dps but more stamina and intelligence while living root has a lot of spirit. I'm a Shaman.

It's now or never, there isn't going to be another time to play classic with this many players starting out
One month sub isn't that expensive and you can always cancel it
Just ask yourself if you'll regret it later on

>level priest with spirittap and wand spec into holy damage

>Realize halfway the disc talents for Mana are better and I barely use smite and holy fire
Fuck

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Do I need to buy anything besides time to play the expansions? I want to do the heroic dungeons.I've checked the in game store but they only sell BFA.

>I never saw any point in playing them in any vanilla version of the game.

Because horde definitely had a stronger "mmo" style community than alliance in vanilla, horde tended to have players who quit before 60 or stayed the course for the full game, alliance definitely i could sense people were playing to get to 60 then quit because they wanted a "online experience" and not to dedicate themselves to an MMO, thats why servers tended to be alliance sided in population yet horde had more top world guilds

>Slow quest text

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please turn on instant quest text

>run my first dead mines
>druid tank has no idea what he is doing
>is using taunt as an opener for pulls
>blames the entire group and then rage quits
Honestly, i was waaay more fucking amused by the whole thing than upset.
>healer and hunter end up in starting zones all the way back on fucking darnassus because they never bound to a new innkeeper since the druid tank was party leader
I guess he kicked each person individually and then bailed.

>walking through town, switch to prot to set my hot bars and equip my prot weapons to go level up my 1 hander
>random guy walks up to me, hands me a level 18 boe blue 1 hander, and tells me to go get em tiger, thanks for tanking
>immediately receive 4 different whispers if i'm not busy would i want to go tank dead mines
>weapon skill :1

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I played WoW in during the beta and years after. And I've never seen a line of people waiting for a mob. Everyone always just ninja'd it.

the sub works for retail and classic. Dunno how to get BFA, but why you'd play that I dunno.

>roll druid
>slowass leveling
>pretty much only growl and maul as bear
>cat doesn't even have an opener until ages later and rip is the only finisher fuck
>oom after 5 heals
>get dunked on some faggot warrior and rogue
Is this all its going to be for me??? I've never seen sub-60 druid pvp.

Can I even have fun as druid?

Same. You just went in and took it. And no one cared. Now you have some random people talking about queue lines like it was always there, and other people pretending like anyone is going to give two shits if someone doesn't "obey the rules".

I'm so glad I don't play wow anymore. The community is dog shit.

This.

Why bother arguing which is better when you can be red pilled and realise it boring.

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>community actually working together to get it done in an efficient and fair way
>wow these guys are faggots this is dog shit
Maybe you are the dogshit friendo.

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>servers are already only at High when they were full with 5k queue at this exact time last week
it's dead

>get dunked on some faggot warrior and rogue

honestly sounds like you took some streamer advice and having never played vanilla are butthurt your class is the hybrid which it actually is

lvl 18 rogue here
does it get easier at 20?
Right now 2 mobs is already a death sentence for me unless evasion is off cooldown

It's the price you must pay in order to stealth gank at 60

More like the experience turned out to be shittier than a geared lvl 60 pvp spec druid having a 10 minute match with your class of choice.

ZT bros, why are the starting areas so dead? Is EVERYONE already lvl 20+?

They increased the number of layers to fit more people. A full server a week ago is a high server today.

Hillsbrad if you're alliance.

>didnt do any research before picking a class
Bear tanks suck. Period. And i mean that all the way from 1-60, including raids.
Feral is for faggots, boomkin is mediocre, and you only exist for hots as a healer. You are a suboptimal rogue , a fried chicken, or a fuck target because you are giving hots in pvp.

Vanilla is back when there was still a small iota of ideas pushed from previous games in the genre to where hybrid classes shouldnt be as good at fucking anything as pure classes.

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>fags playing wow trying to re-live the glory days
>me not playing wow and laughing at those people who are trying so hard to recapture those moments of their youth and failing miserably

Yeah, I'm the dogshit one. And yes, they are faggots. I say you play classic the way it used to be played. Don't make it some hugbox "everyone be nice and follow the rules" horseshit. Just get in there and cause havoc.

>slowass leveling
lol faggot, druid is fucking great for leveling

Prove it, faggot

I leveled a mage, warlock, priest and rogue in classic.

And when I played as a rogue it was significantly harder to find guilds, raids and friends. Everyone is always an ass to rogues for some reason. Just a warning.

Because a full server right now has like 10 layers+

>Beating someone to a herb
Nice

>he didnt pick warrior, the literal chad god of vanilla
Seriously you thought tank worship was bad in other expansions? Imagine the game in a state where only one class is viable as an end game tank and its also one of the best dps classes in the game at the same time. People are literally giving me free shit just to get on my good side so i will tank for them later.

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wtf, i LOVE seeing the big toe of raid bosses for hours on end!

It's just fun retarded event people do. But events are cringe.

>Ganking warriors 24/7 during leveling
>wait and gank the warrior even when he's geared at 60
Nothing personnel, fag

>when the rogue starts talking about his l33t gank skills

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Whats the easiest for casual play? Im a total noob....

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The fact that people "embarrassed" about Classic difficulty because of streamers who killed the bosses or want it to be "bufffed" tells you a lot about how fucked up everything. Especially because I remember tons of threads where people preached "the journey". In reality journey is nothing but "grind mobs using streamer/guide tricks" and follow "quest marker". Faster-faster, endgame avails you! You're just same retailcucks deep inside after all.

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I don't have the time to play WoW again. Due to needing money to move out of my parents basement.

But if I had to do classic over again, I would most certainly pick a mage. Good for raids. You don't need to watch the big toe or health bars in raids. You can fast travel with portals. You get free food. It's good in all situations.

It's obviously the best class to experience the game in.

go back to retail

That was for like three days tops. There is an even distribution of players now and no one is having to stand in a line. Grow up.

>play the game for 10 levels
>every quest is literally the same
>I only use max 2 skills
>already bored of my mind

>not fighting after both doing the quest

Lame.

>he doesn't want to take his time suspending disbelief in this goofy cartoon game being an ebin adventure in another world
>he only plays to see numbers rise

>prove it
but it's mostly up to opinions
I think druid has low downtime, cat form for the most part is strong and bear form is useful for stronger mobs who deal more damage.
Healing is incredibly useful and just contributes to keeping the downtime low since you heal yourself, go kill shit in cat and during that time the mana regens quite a lot and you can go heal again.
Took me like a week and a half (real time) to get to 60 with a druid when I nolife'd pretty hard, for about 12-14 hours of playing a day
it's also quite fun to play

I would say hunter but you will actually be required to know some shit like turning off your pets taunt, how to use frost trap, aggro management, rotations, mana management, pet happiness, maintaining your ammo supply.

MC and Onyxia are still brainded 1-2 mechanic bosses, patches makes them only easier because of talents changes and debuff limits, but they are still easy
and don't forget ultra complicated frost mage rotation
>frostbolt
>frostbolt
>then frostbolt
>now frostbolt
>ok back to point 1 - frostbolt

A hunter once you get the pet is straight forward until 60 when nobody wants you in a raid. You can then reroll a useful class.

He can easily level without using frosttrap, if you oom you just go melee.

>I WANT ALL MY SKILLS NOOOOWWWW
>I DONT WANT A SENSE OF PROGRESSION
>THIS IS BORRRIIIIIIING
Bye!

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Rogue/mage probably hunter has a lot of shit to deal with the pet

Because Alliance always was the superior choice. Death to all Horde niggers. No shoes nigger!

Thats a lot to keep track of. is warlock easier with demon?

>mc and onyxia are brain dead easy!
The starter raids are easy? Huh, imagine that.

what's the one class you always go back to and why lads?

For me it's shaman, such a versatile levelling experience, switching between windfury/rockbiter, having heals, ranged pulls and high damage spells, nothing beats it imo

>This game is good because it offers no challenge, progression, variation or anything that makes a game interesting

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yea, warlock has absolutely no virtual pet bullshit to take care of with demons, OTHER than having to buy spells for them and doing a quest to obtain them

Warlock is exactly the same but the pet can't hold aggro for shit

A warlock starts hard. But ends up leveling really smoothly at higher levels. Because a warlock never runs out of mana. And can just keep going forever. At higher levels that is.

pipe down or I'm going to kiss your little ears

>JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL NAXX
naxx, bwl, aq will be cleared in 2-3 hours after grand opening

Kind of the same as hunter except having to worry about ammo, instead now you worry about soul shards and other shit, i can't remember if your portal required a reagant instead of a soul shard. You will basically be a summon and booger stone bitch, plus you have to hand out healthstones individually.

But you get one of the sweetest mounts in the fucking game at the time and the quest feels really fucking cool.

>running a dungeon
>try to communicate with a little zoomzoom
>"hello there friend"
>POGCHAMP POGGERS KAPPA MONKAS OMEGALUL

it's like a different language lads, are they all like this?

I'm going places bros

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The cope of classicbabies always makes me smile

>i leveled to ten
>i have experienced the entirety of the game
It's not for everyone friendo, you are more than welcome to go back to retail or whatever other zoomer shit hole you crawled out of. You think you do but you don't man was right, for zoomers and the fortnight crowd.

And there's nothing wrong with that.
Night elves are tree worshipping backstabbing niggers that don't belong in the alliance
Gnomes are a joke race that somehow became playable, I've never met a gnome player that wasn't a total faggot. People that play gnome are either "lol so quirky XD" or powergaming faggots.

Just learned summoning at it requires a soul shard as well. I leveled a hunter first and it was much easier than a warlock. "But you have to feed the pet!" It's pushing two buttons. He'll manage.

Why live in a fucking stone house when you can simply make a shelter out of the hundreds of human skulls you produce with every step?

all vanilia raids are easy in term of mechanics, in 40 mans half of raid can sit in the corner masturbating and pressing two buttons for 15 minutes and they will kill the boss
viscidius was a big SUPRISE when you needed to frost him and kill globs
nowadays shitty trash in mythic has more complicated mechanic

>fights from 15 years ago that are fully detailed and known in advance with guides will be beaten quickly
Wow no way.

Does anyone have any experience getting name reported? I got a forced name change last night and just re-entered my old name, but a few minutes later I got a 24 hour ban. The email is just an automated "your name got reported" message. I'm wondering if the ban was because of the name reporting itself and I can just give myself my old name again, or if the ban is because I used the same name.

Yes, guild chat is LULW and Pog spam here too. If this is the retail audience I can understand why WoW is so shit now.

Problem with Classic though is that the game is exactly the same at lvl 10 as it is at lvl 60, you do the exact same typ of generic quests and use the same spells.

but grinding 10 [ANIMAL PART] is so much fun!! how dare you nit be happy, when 80% of bears here has cirrhosis and quest requires you to get healthy liver

Elves and gnomes have always been hated. I can't recall the lore but i think dwarves remained loyal through all the bullshit.

The community on Retail has been fucking wonderful since Classic came out. It's as if all the spergs and memeshitters have left the game. M+ and Heroic pugs are so much better now than they were before, because all of the shitters are gone. Please stay in Classic.

THIS

It gets a lot more fun later. Instead of grinding 10 Bear paws you grind 10 BLACK Bear paws at lvl 50.
You should really continue playing so you can experience that.

b-but average joe will not to this so quickly, speedruners did this in sub-60 raid, geared in shit, average joe with potions, epics and knowledge from videoguides will still be amazed by how hardcore are those raids and will wipe at least 20 times per boss, r-right?

So is it better to just kill mobs or do some quests then kill mobs for xp? Also at what lv is it better to just kill mobs for levels instead?

Try not naming yourself niggerkiller stupid /pol/tard

and now i can use Shitbolt lvl 4 instead of Shitbolt lvl3
wait, where is my mana, aw man, back to Shitbolt lvl3

Maybe i dont get it, but Im playing it and just levelling. I feel like im missing levelling with friends or people, but none of my friends play this. How can i possibly level with people when everyone knows where everything is and knows what they're doing? I never played wow before but I feel like the only person playing that has never played it

I have the opposite. All my friends play this. And I don't want to waste my life again.

>mfw I leveled in Ashenvale this weekend

youtube.com/watch?v=xTPn_Nk_KrM

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>everyone knows where everything is and knows what they're doing
this is the biggest problem
people have been playing vanillia fo 15 years, there are no secrets in this game, people knew what to do since day 1, what to farm, how to lvl, which classes suck, raid guilds know that they need warriors for 4H and so on

Really? Sounds like a good time to check out the Azshara patch.

Just join random groups of people leveling. Back in vanilla I remember just randomly following people and they helped with quests told me where to go killed elites together ect. People will help you you will make friends to play with.

>How can i possibly level with people when everyone knows where everything is and knows what they're doing?
Not everyone use markers and addons. Yea Forums and sreamers are not center of world

Absolutely disgusting. Fucking cum-slurping carebears.

>nowadays shitty trash in mythic has more complicated mechanic

It's funny how much "true classic WoW players" make fun of retarded retail players, making me think I've always been playing this extremely casualized version of a game that used to be truly great and only for the chosen few who could grasp its arcane and slightly imbalanced mechanics.

Been playing classic for a few days and it's like a joke. Nearly all of this questing "content" is in retail, so are the dungeons and raids, maybe even tuned better so that you may have to care about mechanics. People complained the classes were pruned too much and there's almost nothing to your rotation in BFA, then here I am playing a mage just spamming frostbolt over and over all the way into raiding. Maybe I just don't get it.

Don't be retarded, twitch speak is just 2019's l33t sp33k, kids are retarded regardless of generation, the difference is Vanilla WOW's average demographic was 28-32 age group, where modern WOW's age demographic is sub 25

>be alliance
>zoram strand and maestra's outpost are sometimes just horde dominating the territory
>horde get flightmasters in ashenvale, one on each side of the map while alliance gets just one smack-dabbed in the middle

OMG

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The hell kind of servers are you guys playing on. My WC group couldn't even find our direction inside that cave and almost missed two bosses. People are asking for help and directions in /1 all day-

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>Vanilla WOW's average demographic was 28-32 age group
Are you insane?

wouldn't even be mad if this happened to me kek

it's actually fucking pure cancer how you can't get a group for SM if you're a rogue or hunter, all people want is mages for aoe spam, so they do dozens of runs in a row while i can't get one run done to get a quest. meta players should quit, they ruin the game

lel

based

this is the problem unfortunately, I remember doing BRD runs with 3 paladins and 2 rogues, shit only made it more fun

Make your own group.

>he plays dps
lol

Make your own group, faggot

>not leveling shadow

I've ran plenty normal SM runs.

>you only exist for hots as a healer
Druids are brought to raids for innervate and ranked down healing touch. Please discontinue posting if you have no brain thank you.

>make group
>nobody joins

I think you under appreciate just how bad the average wow player still is. There's a reason the majority of players never really move past LFR. Most raids will be a cluster fuck, and now it's going to be trying to control 39 retards at once. Even retard simple shit is going to be like pulling teeth.

Not him but I hate everything about shadow MF is a shitty spell low level aswell

>jus make ur own group bro
>5 hours later
>LF1M Tank SM

>why a higher level than me have no problems killing me?
>THIS ISN'T FAIR

nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001365.php

Vanilla/Classic raids are easier than LFR though, and I'm not even joking.

there is no such thing as 'rogue LFM' , there is rogue LFG, that's it. you don't get a tank joining you as a rogue, you get a tank inviting you.

I'm a hunter and I literally have no issues running dungeons.

literally works on my machine ;)

Makes no sense since not everyone playing mage

I didn't get enough Deviate Hides in WC so me and another guy two manned the first part of the instance down to the crocs multiple times. Way more fun than doing the instance itself.

What? Make your own group holy shit.

28-15=?
it's riding on nostalgia wave, zoomers were caught in the tide but most of them will probably abandon the ship after playing for a month and some boomers are already taking off rose-tinted glasses, butthurt on wowhead and reddit after world forst 60 and MC/onyxia clears before first reset was intense
>THEY MUST HAVE CHEATED
>HE USED LAYERING CHEATEEER
>NO WAY THEY DID MC, THEY COULDN'T EXP SO QUICKLY
>THEY MUST HAVE CHEATED ESSENCES FOR MC
>NO WAY THEY WILL DO ONYXIA
>THEY DID IT ON PRIVATE SERVER, HOW CAN YOU DO 2ND PHASE ONY WITH HALF OF THE RAID DEAD
>IMPOSSIBLE, YOU MUST HAVE LVL 60 TO ENTER MC

vanilla got fast quest text option

>he doesn't have tank and healer friends to play with all the time

>he doesn't use the azshara flightpoint for eastern ashenvale

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So when is TBC coming out?

the nostalgia portion of classic is over and now it has to stand on its own legs and boy are them legs shaky

in LFR you don't stand in one place and press one or two buttons as dps on one target
in vanillia raiding you do

>he puts up with discord faggots for 12 hours a day for advantages in-game

>already level 60
>cleared every dungeon
>only died 23 times
>not interested in 100%ing quests,items and other autistic stuff
Should I stop playing? I only paid for one month

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this, when are we TRULY going home bros

I don’t necessarily wait for my friends who are lower, but I do go back and help them out.

Just yesterday a buddy of mine started up, so I went back and helped him/quested with him in dun morogh even though i was level 16. I got 13xp total by the time he logged out at level 10. Was still fun and now he’s closer to 16 so we can do stuff together, sooner.

I do like that even if you out level an area, there’s still rep to be gained and it benefits you to go back, at least for mats/professions and to pick up a bit of coin here and there.

>discord
There is an in-game chat option. I play with my REAL LIFE friends, incel freak.

You're pathetic simply due to the fact that you had to rush to 60. Just quit

why does my queue goes backward? it started at like 5600 and within 30 minutes its 7100 and still going backwards..

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Let's just go full circle and slowly re-release the patches/expansions in order.

Back in retail during Wrath I got my name reported, but I just used a very similar name and was able to make another character with the original name that was reported. I don't remember if I got a ban associated with the report.

would you rather have 300k ques ?

>Flying
>resilience
>ilvl scaled gear with stamina baked into ever slot
Hopefully fucking never

Like 2-3 years probably.

>Blizzard hated horde
>All of them have superior racials
>Alliance only get dwarf priests

I wish there were more people like you, it's not a fucking race to 60 ffs chill out and let's enjoy the experiencec

WoW Classic Classic fucking when?

This is data based on 1k players who use census

>imagine thinking this is so cool that you actually record it

REMEMBER TO KEEP REINCARNATION UP
AND IT WILL TAKE 10 ALLIANCE JUST TO KEEP YOU DOWN

>tfw got in a non-discord guild
feels so good bros no trannies

>mooom, they are playing The Game other way than i like
i wonder how many of classic ayatollahs already understood, that it's not the big bad retail that forces people to finish content quickly but it's player mentality
go on reddit, read butthurt about XP bug in 5mans, how dare they not enjoy leveling

>resilience is bad

WAAAAAA I CAN'T 2 SHOT PEOPLE WITH MORTAL STRIKE ANYMORE WAAAAAA

also >ilvl in TBC

>missing diplomat
>unsent letter
>duskwood
>onyxia quests
I like Barrens and UD areas, but does Horde even have quest chains that good?

That’s sad. The guild I’m in doesn’t seem to be like that fortunately. Everyone is more interest in discussing the differences of what it was like back then compared to now.

Except that one guy who wants to pull a Bernie Madoff on everyone by trying to convince guild members to pool their silver to him so he can triple their investment.

I only played TBC through Cata retail, and wotlk is the best.

I really don't cares about zoomers unless they're memers from Yea Forums or twitch. Our raid group was full of kids. our leader was boomer dad. And in BC girl as guild leader. Though she was really good and not just modern gamergirl. Sadly everyone else were bad

people powerleveling to the extreme are legit tarded.
The world first already happened. Just take your time.

HEHE MANKIRK WIFE EPIC QUEST
horde got fucked in the ass in vanillia with quests, onyxia chain is just cherry on shitcake

The westfall-redridge-duskwood triangle is just way too good. These zones are connected together and tied together with some nice quest chains. Nowhere else is anything similar in the entire game.

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>spoiler
Actually first time I heard of a girl GM. Was there no drama?

This. A lot less assholes and I'm actually able to pug big boy keys without smooth brains messing it up

>shut down whole server
>when you don't get flagged for pvp, and you can just go grind dungeons and mobs.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with resilience. It is great.

>accepting or turning in quests at dead NPCs
?

No, I'm simply saying you're pathetic because you actually spent all that time just playing classic and have nothing else in your life. Enjoying leveling is fine.

Nice bias there.

Blizzard never hated the horde, horde were always favorited, development wise WOW started with humans, high elves, and dwarves as the first few races developed, which is why Ironforge, and Goldshire significantly larger in the alpha builds of the game only to be cut back.

The biggest thing about horde was there was no pretty race, which is the sole reason why horde got blood elves, because it was the only way blizzard could get chinks to play horde as oceanic servers had an extreme alliance bias because chinks refused to play ugly races.

What is this, a guide for ants?

he probably was wrinting in one of those threads, ignore him
gamespot.com/forums/pc-mac-linux-society-1000004/how-tbc-destroyed-wow-26403920/
gamespot.com/forums/pc-mac-linux-society-1000004/who-here-thinks-burning-crusade-killed-wow-25902237/

>questing

Nope. Only whisper jokes about periods when she was angry.

Who /shaman/ here?

>Never die
>Hit like a truck with 2h or heal like a god
>Cool totems for every situation, 8 totems at lv. 20 already
>inved to every group and fill every role, everyone wants to hang with you
>ghost wolf
>cool quests

Truly the comfiest class

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Why the fuck did both of you roll on a pvp server if you are both fucking carebears?

There are PVE server for people like you...

>not questing

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>i'm pathetic because i play game different from you
in my life i leveled 5 or 6 toons in vanillia, before classic
there is nothing new for me and it's just a chore

its a literal garbage class

>There is nothing wrong with resilience

Resilience is a retarded stat and never should have existed in the game.

It was a win more, that made certain builds unviable and along side flying made world PVP fucking cancer, every fucking expansion had to 'fix' resilience until WOD when they finally realized how retarded resilience is because in MOP they had to make a stat thats sole purpose was to counter the damage reducing effects of resilience

orc and forsaken women are pretty

Well, the honor system is not implemented yet for one, so the only actual reason to kill another person is to be a dick and/or show your superiority.

THE HORDE HUNT IN PACKS ARISEN

>the virgin alliance queue line
>the chad horde mosh pit

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Why do people act like talents are some huge thing? its like "extra 5% damage" on shit for 95% of it.

I'm a tankfag so I'm eternally damned to play a warrior.
Just why did prot paladins have to be so shit?

because it was diablo 2 style customisation

Seething palacuck detected

Both reasons are good... again why fucking roll on a PvP server since your such an obvious carebear?

i could pay with gold and play a month for the sake of it
>current token price is 220k
fuck that scam

>questing when all your quest givers die
>questing when it's lower xp per hour than dungeon grinding
benis

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right here bro

youtube.com/watch?v=B9CIvwLYfqQ

>flying made world PVP fucking cancer
>REEE PEOPLE 5 LVL LOWER CAN ESCAPE NOW HOW DARE THEY
they can "feel" it
>wow now i deal 4 dmg and before i dealt 3, what an amazing change

>Resilience is a retarded stat and never should have existed in the game.
Resilience is a great stat that should be in every MMO. It prevents complete domination of PVE geared characters like in vanilla/classic. And still makes PVE gear relevant since it has biggest burst than PVP gear.

Thats not the rotation you idiot its
1.Frostbolt
2.Frostbolt
3.Frostbolt
4.Frostbolt
5.Wand

Because blizzard didn't know how to make paladins not warriors.

They still don't, in BC they just gave them a mortal strike knockoff and in WOTLK they gave them holy damage whirlwind, before vanilla launched paladins had crusader strike in the beta, as well as a paladin version of heroic strike, but better in every way because it did holy damage and didn't require you to build rage

Some talents are a huge thing. Wand and spirit tap for priests makes the class playable.

Okay but its largely just for show. The impact of talents aren't that big or else Blizz would have kept them

>NOOOO I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO 2 SHOT HEALERS IN PVP NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET ME WIN EVERY TIME NO RESILIENCE PLEASE NOOOOOOOO

>And Warcraft 3 destroyed Warcraft before that......Story goes from 2 factions fighting to the death to everyone holding hands skipping through the fields of flowers to fight the burning legion like a bunch of hippies, now say what you want about hippies, but orcs aren't supposed to be them......and that sounds like demotivational poster material.
kek'd
>not having druid to innervate you
n00b

Lmao you still don't get it you retard I'm saying you're pathetic because you actually have nothing better to do and have the time to play classic for 6 days straight to reach 60

it really isnt. Removing them was one of the biggest blunders they made.

>how dare you play one game for a week for 10-12h per day, VANILLIA IS ABOUT JOURNEY
reddit is that way ---->

That's exactly how it was in pre WotLK and WotLK. When patch drops and ret pal suddenly can kill you in 3 seconds. DK+ret pal. Entire arena season was nothing but BURST shit and prot cancer

>not being forsaken

Imagine not wanting to kneel before the banshee queen

>or else Blizz would have kept them
You assume too much if you don't think Blizzard will remove perfectly working systems

hes right though. Imagine subbing then boring yourself in 6 days.

Resilience is a winmore stat and always won, if you didn't have it you were fucked in PVP

PVP was always about outplaying your enemy, either by knowing the match up, having the right gear and consumables, gear was a buffer.

With resilience, none of that matters, who ever has more resilience wins, except for extreme match ups, there is a reason why WOW arena never got big and MOBAs took over, because that shit is retarded.

>Journey is reddit now
It's pure comedy.

where's mankrik's wife?

If you have anti-healing abilities you should be able to kill healers.

You can have 10 people hitting on a priest in BFA and that fucker wont die until he goes OOM 2 minutes later

nigga all you had to do was play 10 games a week for points, a 1500 5's team got you a piece of the set every 2-3 weeks or so

And you're better than 1500 rating, right user?

she has her good voice too. The dreadlord has the goat VA Blizz uses

its at 7900 right now. what the fuck is this normal???

dunno, when you did it few times, both ally and horde, it's boring
i did it 15 years ago and i still remember quests and shit, though i'm not sprinting, since after getting 60 there is not really much to do now, my guildies are in 30-40 range and i'm 32
>imagine not having a jaw

yes it is, go play it

>All this anger about classic
it feel so sweet being home bros...

Thats not the point, resilience is a terribly designed stat and should have never been added to the game, PVP set bonuses should have been the only thing PVP sets had going for them

>vanillia
>challenge
what is this mysterious challenge you are talking about

Love this, i always found it gay as fuck that they scrambled all the languages so that you couldn't ingeniously talk shit to the other faction

No no no. You got it all wrong. That's a bad look, man.
You gotta make it believable. Something like "wher i fidn mankirks wife?" works way better.

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overcoming boredom is the only challenge in vanilla.

>Resilience is a winmore stat and always won, if you didn't have it you were fucked in PVP
>With resilience, none of that matters, who ever has more resilience wins,
What the fuck are you talking about? This is false. Did you even play BC?
>PVP was always about outplaying your enemy, either by knowing the match up, having the right gear and consumables, gear was a buffer.
Where? In your head? Outgear in vanilla was crazy. Rogue in T2-T3 will drop you down instantly.

Im leveling a mage and its a lot of fun, but eventually I want to try melee either a warrior or shaman. got any opinions? I like warrior cause plate armor and swinging around massive 2 handers , but shaman looks like fun

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Post that WoW inspired 2000's metal

youtube.com/watch?v=49BybYXRXUY

warrior
>autoattack
>auotattack
>ded, time for corpse run
there, it looks like this, play shaman chad

A naked rogue played well will win even if they're naked with a level 1 dagger.

Gear was a buffer, but with resilience gear was how you win, that and stunherald

What's wrong with PvE gear being good in PvP? Ideally all players would be participating in both anyway

>gnome
>nothing of value was lost

Because people think their scuffed moba needs to be an exclusive club.

WOW PVP has always been terrible, it was a tacked on meme based on EQ red servers where you can get ganked whenever, but had no substance or reason to it.

Again there is a reason why people don't give a fuck about WOW arena when its just 20 minutes of watching healer manabars slowly tick away, when you could play a moba

>Arms warriors entire fucking shtick is that they get a dedicated healer-slaying ability
>"They dont get to do that though or i'll cry"

Fuck off

>resilience gear was how you win
Again. Did you even play BC/WotlK? This is false and you posting literal lie.

Thanks , i think shaman is the right choice for me, at what point (expansion wise) did warriors get better to level?

i'd play if it was a one time purchase. fuck subscriptions

curseforge.com/wow/addons/zoomerbegone

Don't forget to install this essential addon.

This reminds me of TBC. I played a human male pally. There was nobody in that area, then I spotted a fem blood elf, probably doing the same quest. I did a /flirt with her, and she did a /kiss back. I felt total chad, then It came in, that it was probably a guy.

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>Pvp was a tacked on meme

You know for a fact that this is INTRINSICALLY untrue. The whole fucking point of the game is alliance vs. horde to begin with

>be mage chad
>always top dps
>will make your dungeon runs smoother with sick aoe and crowd control
>will always decurse the tank
>will give you full stacks of water if asked nicely
Imagine being a virgin warlock

It's entirely true if one player has resilience gear and the other doesn't. If they're equally matched, sure, I'll give it to you, but if someone has their resilience gear equipped looking to pick fights with dungeon or raid-geared players farming elementals they will absolutely win by the merit of their resilience gear.

>not having milions of gold and being live embodiment of Gallywix

And again, you're missing the point.

Resilience gear is linear, boring, and worthless, it doesn't make the game better, it only forces you to play in a cookie cutter style.

There were already tools to counter the things that resilience was made to counter, but resilience was a global win more stat vs most builds, meaning you had to play a certain way, who the fuck would play a POM Pyro mage in PVP when you can't even kill someone every 6 minutes with it? Resilience made the game boring, it was way too good and way too broad in terms of power level.

Yeah, in vanilla people could 2 shot you, because the the goal of any PVP game is to beat your opponent, and a burn style burst build was most optimal in 1v1, which 90% of encounters happened, but it wasn't the only viable build, in TBC onward, resilience just made the game a massive bore because no one could do anything interesting, and again, if you didn't have PVP gear, you were at a massive disadvantage.

Stop shitposting about 'Classic +'. It isn't going to happen. It can't. We have to get official Wrath legacy servers. So just fucking stop with this pipe dream of bullshit.

horde are always giant niggers who never fight 1v1, ever.
i was passing a mage and priest (undead of course) that were 5 levels lower and they started a fight. a mopped the floor with them and made sure to corpse camp. until one of them took rez sickness
i was farming murlocs in south shore and again an undead mage/priest combo tried starting shit, i killed one of them, come back to find the other gone. continue questing and they come back with a 4 level higher shaman to specifically start shit.
once, one time i ran past a horde player who wasn't a complete nigger and of course it was a furry tauren with some gay name. your faction needs to get fucking gassed, you people are fucking mongrels in real life. im amazed you faggots haven't figured out how to bypass the faction filter so you can macro shout WORLDSTAR while you nig it up because you sissies cant ever fight one on one.

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In the way how PvE/PvP gear works.
PvE gear gives you damage. High tier = high damage. More and more.
To compensate this PvP gear should bump your hp. However now there will be problem in PvP vs PvP gear scenario.

>The whole fucking point of the game is alliance vs. horde to begin with
>WARCRAFT I WAS ORCS&HUMANS AND THAT'S IT TAKE THIS SHITTY BURNING LEGION AND VOID LORDS FROM MY PVP GAME REEEEEEEEEE

Read the book faggot.
PvP was tacked on right at the end of development as an afterthought and almost wasn't added at all.

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That's what you get for rolling a fail class like huntard. How stupid are you?

WoD legacy servers when
you forgot
>TAKE THOSE SPACE GOATS FROM MY GAME
butthurt from "true wow players" was immense around BC
>WHAT SPACESHIP IN MY WORLD OF FANTASY
it was like living in days of HoMM:III when they wanted to add Forge

Thats why they got rid of PVP stats

Im not saying that PVP gear rewards shouldn't be a thing ,but I don't think PVP gear should be the end all beat all of gear.

I prefer a vast pool of gear options, not 1 set for every PVP build.

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>insecure alliance because he has no friends to quest with

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Yeah they also wrote that you're a fag in there too so you must be right

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PVP was a tacked on meme

Honor system wasn't introduced until post launch, battlegrounds came after that so that people would stop honor farming in hillsbrad.

That being said I always though that WOW should have had elements from the RTS for PVP, but the way PVP 'evolved' in WOW, it was shittier then any other PVP system in any other MMO that was out at the time.

Did you spec combat and pick the Dodge and party talents?

>Almost 59
>See lowbies trying to quest
>Kill them all and camp\
feels good being ahead of the pack bros

fuck off retard

I personally hate gear in mmos that's explicitly designed to be "PvP gear". I'd rather just get gear that is good and exists in its own and use that

You have the damage of a rogue and healing between fights.
You get travel form at 30

dont expect to be able to handle 2 enemies easily for a few more levels
whats the name of your undead mage

>Playing horde
lol you wish hordelet

Tier 4 was the COMFIEST time ever in WoW, raiding karazhan, doing arena etc

debate me, you can't prove me wrong

Why move when youre in the perfect place to play wow

i wrote thischimp

Imagine being stuck in karazhan for 2 years

Arena is one of the biggest cancers the game had ever seen because suddenly everything had to balanced for arena, even if it fucked over PvE, Battlegrounds, and wPvP

We're you the check who didn't know the mage rotation until someone told you and then you were shocked?

you are useless at lvl 60, apart from being innervate caster
but leveling is fun

if you are sub 40 then you should quit. you wont make it to endgame.

>clicking your spells
>theres still people that play like this in 2019

>And again, you're missing the point.
No I didn't miss anything. It's pretty clear to me that you never played pvp in BC/WotLK since people wear pvp+pve gear. Especially rogues, mages, warriors, paladins.
>Resilience made the game boring, it was way too good and way too broad in terms of power level.
>if you didn't have PVP gear, you were at a massive disadvantage.
Oh god. You can't even notice contradiction in your post. Without resilience you die faster but kill fast because of pve gear roids. With resilience you don't die so fast but you're not deal crazy damage. You don't need resilience to be good. Some classes prefer need resilience for maximum survival. And this is not ancient OP magic. Rogue annihilate warlocks. Warlocks wear resilience to survive against rogue. T ohave at least once chance

>not raiding attunmen for 12 years to get fiery warhorse
i played frost in vanillia since it had extreme CC, which was insane for farming shit and raiding was just pushing 1 button and yelling at druid
>INNERVATE ME FAGET

Pvp in WoW has always been a minigame.

wait. i forgot, i had to press two buttons on viscidus or whatever was that green glob you had to freeze in aq

Played mage in vanilla, pala in tbc/wrath. Priest in classic

>Holy shit, they actually did it. It's perfect
>raid exp is the same as dungeon exp

home btw.

The void is okay. Or just drain and use a succ as pet

PVP gear roids won't kill a druid with resilience, period.

You clearly weren't around for TBC or WOTLK, PVP, or you lived through some obscure blog that whined that some PVE item was OP when it really wasn't, the conventional wisdom was yeah, a POM Pyro could kill another naked resilienceless player easily, but if you had resilience gear you pretty much couldn't lose against someone else without resilience gear, period.

And no, people being retarded doesn't make your claims true at all, the only PVE advantage people had was Stunherald and maybe a few trinkets, but that was always true with the game that every other patch had a broken PVE trinket, boo fucking hoo, it was more interesting when that did happen then when it didn't.

But you still wore fucking resilience gear if you wanted to win against someone remotely competent, because everyone remotely competent stacked resilience

Karazhan is one of the best raids in MMOs

>melee
just go rogue

Raids were always DPS turreting, its not more interesting that you have to press 3 different buttons to cast a spell that does not shit damage.

If you want to make raids more interesting add in more dynamic elements that require things besides raw DPS checks, but thats all live WOW has, is DPS checks and instant death mechanics, because the game is boring as shit.

Are herbalist and alchemy good choices for a mage? I refuse to check a guide but I'm ok to ask people.

LMAO

Ofcourse it was good, back in 2004.
Fuckin Zoomers

how dare you say things like this, vanillia was so hard, raiding took 3 months to progress past 1 boss with 1 mechanic, those that had 2 mechanics were mathematically improbable and had to be nerfed
is it ok, if i check in guide and then answer?

Herbalist and Alchemy is solid for starting out, Engineering is king due to the exclusive trinkets they get.

But alchemy is good starting out because you can sell mats to rogues for tistle tea and blind powder, free action potions and swiftness potions will also make you some decent starting money too, swiftness potions being extremely useful for getting around as well

C'thun wasn't mathematically impossible, the tentacles spawns were bugged.

Ion Hozzikostas is a hack.

Reckoning bomb + Seal of Command proc is pretty fucking hilarious.

I'll switch to Shadow at 40 when I get Shadow form

I didn't play until TBC so I know nothing about end game classic but Molten Core is apparently a big fucking joke do things at least become harder in the next raids?

They fixed that yesterday.

i was hoping the gnome would attack while the horde shit was reading the quest

>Shitting on Classic (and retail, don't worry) constantly
>Secretly wanna just level an enhancement shaman cause I remember one shotting a mage 5 levels higher than me with WF one time in Feralas

TELL NO ONE
YOU SAW NOTHING

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WoW is the beer of MMOs
Nobody enjoys it but pretends to because everyone does so

inv to new layer

>You clearly weren't around for TBC or WOTLK, PVP, or you lived through some obscure blog that whined that some PVE item was OP when it really wasn't
Holy fuck. Mages wear pve gear for nasty spell haste. Rogue wear pve gear for giant damage burst. Every damage dealers wear pve parts for burst and set bonuses. You can literally google pvp bis 2500+. Fuck off with your LARPing

Who carebear here? Where my carebros at?

We're playing on 1.12 which is a patch based around nax balancing. You could easily pug MC with a bunch of retards back in the day and you will be able to do it when you get enough people to 60 now.

thats amazing lmao

having fun in a game is the challenge

>Are herbalist and alchemy good choices for a mage?
I'm a Warlock and yes, alchemy is great. I'm level 20 and i'm running around with 3 potion buffs and a ton of self heal. It has saved me countless times already, in both pve and world pvp.

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I forgot, do soulstones and healthstones stay after you log out or are they perishable like conjured mage food and mana gems?

They are conjured items

Resilience as it was implemented in WOW was fucking retarded

If resilience was to do anything it should have reduced CC duration, instead they nerfed CC durations to shitty 6 second ez to break garbage, gave everyone interrupts and stuns because healers became too fucking strong due to resilience, and the game became world of fucking stuncraft for 20 minutes until one healer went OOM and the rogue died so they instantly forfitted to requeue for ranking

Resilience was a terrible stat and the best thing they did was get rid of it, now if they got rid of ilvl scaled stats baked into every peice of gear the game could be interesting again.

>find a medium pop pvp server with no queue times
>its already bumped up to consistently be at high and there is a guild now
>always a handful of people obnoxiously speaking spanish in trade chat
fucking spics ruin everything, there used to be rules against this

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Conjured items fade after 15 minutes of logging out

Blame blizzard for no spanish servers

all vanilia raids are a big fucking joke in terms of mechanics
biggest stop was bugged c'thun and 4H in naxx, where you needed warriors to tank each horseman and there weren't many warriors since it was shitty class to lvl

Haha, fuck you American pig. You have no servers! NO SERVERS!
ahahaha
die

>horde are always giant niggers who never fight 1v1, ever.
that's both factions honestly, people are faggots.

>Being gay

Why even roll in a pvp server?

>not having instant quest text
>not having loot window open at mouse locatino
>CLICKING SPELLS

Jesus fuck you're a fucking boomer or just a hardcore normie

will blizzard actually get rid of layering like they promised? I'm not playing until then

As I understand it if you have a sub you have access to all expansions except the latest one.

Never. I barely see any players in my layer, and that's how Blizzard has decided is the ''best'' way to play the game. Its the same in retail, and its never going away.

Healer balance is always hard thing.
>two damage dealers can nuke equally skilled healer
no reason for healers in 3x3
>two damage dealers can't nuke equally skilled healer
danger zone that can ended up like XIV shit pvp with immortal healers

>Horde has superior transportation in the form of zeppelins
>Horde has fps and quest hubs scattered every fucking where for whatever reason, even in places where it wouldn't make sense
>Horde races have some pretty good racials overall
>Barrens is a huge ass comfy zone that lets you stay blueshielded well into your mid 20s while Alliance gets their ass ganked in Redridge

>despite all this, hordefags will STILL bitch and whine that Alliance has it better

Clearly none of you fags have ever had the pleasure of getting to walk back and forth between Rebel Camp and Booty Bay all day whilst getting buttraped by rogue ganksquads. Jesus fucking christ how embarassing.

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>opinions
and no one go close to redridge as horde anyway . that zone isn't even worth to go into blackrock mountain since its faster from undercity

Um yeah i'm thinking its going away

>Be priest
>1v1 every single class with extreme ease so far
>only scenario I've gotten killed is being jumped by 5 players in STV or by a rogue who waited in stealth while i was low on mana/hp pulling 4 mobs

Why are priests so chaddington?

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dont forget the way better quest rewards in the forms of weapons, armor, and even fucking trinkets at 30 you can keep to 60. actual nigs with gibmedats

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>waaaaah, classic is too easy, pls buff the numbers!
>waaaaah, hybrids are even less viable now!

This image gets better everyday

so many raids after that are fucking awful though

This. Havoc is fun.

>back when wf could proc off itself
>hinterlands
>faggot priest 2-3 levels higher than me starts shit
>star walking towards him
>FROSTSHOCK crit
>purge purge purge purge purge purge purge
>drop tremor
>manage to get in range at lower than half HP
>wf off a wf proc with bunch of crits because AGI ONLY NO STAM FINAL DETINATION
>fag at 10%
>fears me
>tremor kicks in almost instantly
>wf proc all crits
>extra frostshock for good measure
>ded
I will always remember that fight and try to imagine the face of the fella, didn't even have the chance to start casting a heal

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zug zu
i men nig nig, outlander

>die
Nah, I'm gunna steal all your e-gfs and there is nothing you can do about it, you angry brown manlets.

>>Barrens is a huge ass comfy zone that lets you stay blueshielded well into your mid 20s
Breeding cowards isn't a good thing

>that friend who lives in a different country and expects you to be fresh and ready to go for like 6 hours after they get on 3 A.M

and they always are surprised and mad when they're behind in levels and you're about to go to bed

>chasing after a jumping retard who runs in circles around a pole is comfy

this is why nobody takes you tbcucks seriously.

Everything you just told is a lie

not him, but i had the same exact experience

>"give water plz"
>conjure a stack of the shitty previous rank water
never felt so good playing mage

the new prot talent skills and magic attunement was all palas needed. Magic attunement helped them with not going OOM when they didnt have int gear. Avengers shield and the triple strike skill gave them some holy damage for threat and shit, holy shield and blessing of sanctuary are nice, but they really are just gravy, like the 6 second sap of their retribution tree. Its nice to have but they need some hard hitting skills first

What is it in Classic that makes people social and cooperative? Almost any time you ask for help with a quest you'll get people wanting to help.

Why didn't he just dodge the projectiles?

>quest with some qt girl yesterday
>we talked and joked for awhile then parted ways
>figured we'd never see each other again
>wake up this morning with a love letter in the mail

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>no one to play with
>havn't met anyone in game
>wallflower in guild chat
its like real life

Because they either need the quest too and cant solo it, or understand the struggle of having to solo it if they had to before.

This
Some virgins tried to queue, all the chads moshed and ignored them

>girl

>time consuming

You mean doing stuff in order to get skill?

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>Cleared in the first reset by PoE players that had never played WoW before, with most of the raid ranging from level 55-59 and in greens

Yeah there's easy then there's actually pointless

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Because the game is hard enough that you actually have trouble doing things alone, combined with the fact that everyone is around the same level so it's populated enough to see random people doing things in the same area.

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and then they became mandatory and then aoe tanking had to be made baseline in wrath and the game turned into aoe faceroll, how bad wow is correlates highly with how good paladins are

>no reply to post on Yea Forums

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I was that girl

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i've been talking shit about wow for a long time but i never really played it extensively so i figured i'd give it a try to give my opinions more weight. i still feel like this entire game is set up to make mediocre people feel good

>gameplay is about what you'd expect from a 2004 MMORPG, really basic tab-targeting ability mashing where the only depth is that you have to alternate between 25+ different abilities, and enemies just autoattack you 90% of the time so it barely even feels like a game and more like one of those cookie clicker things
>PvE is never really difficult, mostly just time-consuming and tedious with a few knowledge-checks that create the illusion of challenge. you can essentially do 95% of PvE by just mashing out abilities while looking at the latest episode of hatsune miku on your other monitor
>leveling process is long and has that typical mmorpg feel of nothing really changing throughout leveling besides just your level slowly going up as you walk through the themepark
>areas are large and your movement speed is slow, so around 40% of your time is just spent on walking from place A to place B
>a lot of the tediousness seems like it's intended to wash out "casuals" who aren't interested in spending 10 hours a day to watch a number go up, but really there's not really anything specifically demanding about the game besides the fact that you have to be patient and spend a lot of your time on it
>PvP seems to mostly come down to class balance and gear, and the honor system only tracks your total amount of kills so there's no reason the shittiest player in the world couldn't eventually become rank 14 honormaster or whatever

all in all, it feels like a game about handing out participation trophies and making people feel special when they aren't, but it's masked in an obnoxious layer of tediousness to give it the illusion of being "hardcore". there are things it does well though, like the feeling of a conjoined world and the on-going faction war.

i would love karazhan being a classic raid, with redone loot and stats to make it doable for 60s. Maybe throw in some cool unique gear, like gear that allows you to cast spells from other classes, hybrid gear, or unique models for fashionfags.

arena sucked though

faggot

professions guide
>tryhard but best
engineering
>i hate money
enchanting
>i love money and dont mind going into a dungeon just to craft shit
alchemy
>I want to make my own gear and dont do quests
blacksmithing/tailoring/leatherworking

fuck thats awesome dude, can we be friends

You don't "mash" abilities in vanilla, and the movement being slow to begin with is wholly intentional and a good thing.

You also can't get high PvP ranks by being a shitter because of honor decay and the fact it only allocates the higher ranks to the top %s of players (R14 for example is the top 0.1% on each faction)

the difference was that there was a debuff limit, a lot of shit wasnt known to people, and it mostly was a gearcheck.

cant wait for phase one to end so the layers are removed and you cucks no longer can whine while cradling the corpse of BFA

Just looking at the screenshots is so boring... Blizzgeneric has no imagination at all.

hahaha yeah they'll be removed by then, for sure.

>split spell effects from PvE and PvP effects
>make healing only able to restore a part of someones healthbar, so over time it becomes less effective.

PvP honor isn't even out yet you shitposter

NOOOOOOOO STOP CLASSIC IS PERFECT AND HAS NO DOWNSIDES TO CRITICIZE

>It's perfect.
leeway
layer abuse
inconsistent mob behavior due to scripting
yeah, just like home

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>play classic
>hard quest/mob
>better group with fags in my same situation
>complete quest/kill mob
>"k bye now gl m8"
>exact same as any modern mmo, including modern wow

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thats because blizzard did the whole retarded "bring the player, not the class" thing and overtuned palas to also be viable for bosses. They couldve made palas for AOE tanking and Warriors for single target tanking. But instead they just made palas insanely good at AOE and single target, and then buff warriors

because misery loves company

Could ask them if they wanna group for the whole zone or do dungeons later

Just like in 2005.

I guess he fucked up by not at least scamming you for some gear or some gold

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its not that its the fact that all the quests are chained into separate zones, with minimal flight points and huge distances to cross on foot. I'm level 31 so far and most of my leveling has been spent auto running through zones and looking at youtube on my other screen.

I actually just bought this for myself for my birthday the other day. Interesting stuff.

deviate delight is based af don't talk shit

>play mostly solo
>run through barrens
>at RFD and RFK
>see a corpse
>try to revive it
>horde attacks me
>fight
>suddenly ally warrior rushes in
>turns out he was being corpsecamped and respawned when i was out there
>we both want to get to the salt flats so we decide to party up
>help him level his weapon skill by healing while he autos on a mob
>do the quest together at the flatlands
>hes done earlier but helps me with the last few mobs i need
>say goodbye
its not that hard. just invite someone

i never get why anyone would offer him food

this post is spot on, i've been making an exaggerated effort to talk to people i meet and group for and i dont know if its just how people are these days but very few people will ever chat and shoot the shit and want to continue after killing whatever npc

tfw come across as a weird overfriendly loser to zoomers

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>tfw slowly making my way to Redridge through Elwynn Forest to start the Defias questchain

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pretty much this
most boss fights in vanilla raids have some sort of gimmick. if your raid can cheese the gimmick they cheese the fight

it's like this even into naxx

objectively, its pretty bad. But ive played the newer MMOs that promise real action combat, ive played the ones that said they improved tab targeting, ive played ones that said they had amazing worlds. I bounced on those in a month of play, wow however i cannot tear myself away from

replace "horde" with "alliance", and you're golden.

>You don't "mash" abilities in vanilla
you kinda do though. i'm killing mobs while posting because all i need to do is alt tab and brainlessly press a button every 3 seconds. you can't exactly do that in dark souls.

>the movement being slow to begin with is wholly intentional and a good thing.

i don't doubt that it's intentional since blizzard is out to make money on subs and whatever elongates the game is good for them. but calling it objectively good is a bit rich. a bunch of classes even have things that make them move faster out of combat so it's pretty stupid that some classes will spend an extra 10 hours on auto-walk on their way to level 60

it's not, but i researched how it worked myself. am i wrong though? what's stopping the shittiest level 60 player from repeatedly killing similarly shitty players with a 0.5 win loss ratio day in and day out and eventually reaching the max rank? you don't lose rank for dying, right?

>they literally said they would do so
>no reason for htem not to as the playerbase will be smaller and the lvl 1s will be lower
cant wait for you fags to eat shit and desperately look for something else to repeat

not playing a feral druid tank

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>game is hard enough
it's tedious, not hard

just ask if anyone else in the group needs quest X as well. Cant help it if youre autistic

jajaja

tedium is part of difficulty.

back to your mudhut Mootilda

He wants to be invited to raids

Paladins were shit in vanilla because of EQs stinking legacy of favoritism from the devs. It was no secret that those fags hated paladins and decided to make them as useless as they were in EQ for a very long time.

>it was probably a guy
It's ok. You might not be a Paladin don Juan, but neither is anyone achieving any real heroics playing WoW. It's all wank literal or figurative.

Red ridge and based

>it's not, but i researched how it worked myself. am i wrong though? what's stopping the shittiest level 60 player from repeatedly killing similarly shitty players with a 0.5 win loss ratio day in and day out and eventually reaching the max rank? you don't lose rank for dying, right?
Someone literally just told you why but you seem to have conveniently ignored it

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hard is mythic raiding
tedious is killing one mob for 2 minutes, eating and drinking and then killing another mob

>"k bye now gl m8"
>"hey do you also have this other qu-"
>Faggotron has left the group.

Nigga I started playing in feb 2005 and the very first thing my friend told me to do was to put instant quest text on.

the big problem is constant ticking threat like consecrate/death and decay, aoe isn't a joke without those

ok, so if the world's best player kills 10 dudes a day and dies 0 times, then logs off, and the world's shittiest player plays twice as long and kills 11 dudes and dies 30 times a day, who's going to have higher honor in that situation?

>tfw grinding Skinning and making fat stacks for nothing

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>"alright the elite is there"
>"hey anyone has quest X to do after this"
>"yeah me, lets stay for that"
>"okay fagtron you go in and draw aggro alright"
>"okay, after doing this fun activitity together lets all do that other quest"
>"yeah, glad nobody here is a fucking autist that doesnt konw how to communicate"
>"haha, yeah, imagine that, being too retarded to use a chat function the game provides"

>Assgoblin joins group.
Hey do you need this and this?
>Yeah man
Lets go.

Sorry you're autistic, retard.

>this amazing feeling

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>tfw grinding enchanting and destroying fat stacks for nothing

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best feeling when I slowly collected all the blackfantom deeps quest all over hte world (including finding a random one in ironforge because i happened to explore a house") and then finally doing them all in one go after leveling up 4 times so i could do the dungeon;.

While on paper that might seem plausible the reality is that on each realm only a few can be r14 each week and will be premades. Few if any solo players will reach r14.

>Not doing pink quests

Pussy

I'm the same. Not sure if it's because Euro servers cram together a bunch of non-English speakers or what. The general chats 1-20 were great but now are pretty dead as well. Modern MMOs are now cheevo grinds for addicts and it shows.

>want to level enhancement
>remember that I will be forced into the healcuck role
>everytime I want to respec back I will have to LEVEL BACK THE FUCKING WEAPONSKILL
BC servers can't come fast enough

my point is that most people don't linger around like they used to, if they're not in the EXACT same quest progress as you they will promptly ignore your ass until they can use it again
it's comforting to know the spirit is still alive in some faglords such as yourselves, though

>a bunch of classes even have things that make them move faster out of combat
except those classes often have questlines that slow them down. like druids with their forms, shamans with their totems. And while reducing the gap might seem nice it also reduces the class diversity. When you use ancesteral recall or ghost wolf, you feel special for being a shaman and having that.

pretty sure that weapon skill thing was fixed during vanilla

If the better player killed 10 dudes of a higher rank, the better player. Not that your example would actually ever play out that way, because people pushing R14 play like fucking NEETs

>>my point is that most people don't linger around like they used to,
back when i played vanilla this happened plenty as well. Or people that leave when they are done. They just say thanks and leave. Thats nothing new. And the lingering only was there because some players felt a bit weird about it, but now more experienced players know its just stupid to remain in a party even when you move apart.
But if you ask they will be okay with it. Like in stockades i still needed a few red bandanas for the quest. so the hunter and rogue helped me out with grinding a few mobs. if i was a stupid autist and kept my mouth shut they wouldve left since they wouldnt know i was short.

>LFG Quest 1, 2, 3
>Dickgobbler whispers: I need 2 and 3
>Invite

dual speccing from wraith is pretty amazing and its sad they only got around it in wrath since people wanted it since vanilla

Is retail wow better for a newbie than classic?

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>Is retail wow better
no

No.

I'd kill for dual spec but it's probably never going to happen. That shit was great.

That is for some that have never played any wow at all...

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just like retail then, only no need to even type anything because it's automated through a menu :^)

After 15 or so, grinding is always the best choice for XP because the runtime to the quest areas and having to deal with other people possibly being there to kill mobs is almost always going to be worse. A few regions, like Searing Gorge, have an easily followed chain of quests that will get you about 1-2 levels. Mostly though, grinding will net you the best XP per hour, often times more gold from drops, but you won't experience the exploration end. Also I should mention, some mobs are just bad to grind, so knowing WHERE to go is the biggest thing. Ogres are almost always great, just keep that in mind. Low overall armor if you're doing physical damage, and the mages can be 2 shot in almost every zone they're in.

>not feral druid allowed in our gay raids

you guys must suck