Whoops bro, my bad, I thought you were empire troops

>3H just had crap writing all around. Makes everyone look retarded outside of their routes.
fixed it for you dude

That makes no sense as the GD units usually have something smart to say when they try to kill you. And Leonie had a particular interest in hunting down Byleth for whatever reason.

Golden Deer is canon route

Thinking of doing a BE run soon since I've already done BL and GD, church seems pointless, any good ideas I can implement for a self imposed challenge run?

So far these are my ideas:
>no poaching from other houses, maybe recruit Shamir but only use after timeskip since she's OP early on
>this also means no adjacents ever
>Byleth can not change classes, he remains a commoner the entire run
>no flying classes, wyvern and pegasus are OP
>allow only two battalions maximum for my party
Anything else you think I should do? I really enjoy the game but tbe wait for lunatic is killing me, I really hope it is as good as we hope. The low difficulty is the only serious flaw I have with the game, I can even forgive the ugly graphics and reused maps if we get a good difficult mode.

meme classes like dancer Edelgard, mage Caspar and heavy armor Dorothea.

Wonder what that makes the rest of the series then considering this is the first time in forever we don't have comically black and white garbage

Canonfags should neck themselves but would probably fuck that up too since they're so fucking retarded

GD was acceptable

malding

>brings the best final boss theme in the series

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I like where the difficulty is right now on hard/classic.
You will lose a unit if you position poorly.
Since lunatic will artificially make the game difficult by doing things like giving all enemies silver weapons from chapter 1, buffed stats and maybe even higher crit (this would be cancer), I have no interest in a mode like that.

BL has the best writing of the three routes overall.

Hey Teach. Did you know that in Almyra we'd stuff faggots into sacks and throw them into the ocean? Haha, catch you later!

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>We will step on the Empire right alone with the Alliance troops. To the eternal flames with all of them!
What did Dimitri mean by this?

Dimitri is still mad at that point, so he meant literally that.

Honestly Claude wasn't that retarded outside of his route. Just cowardly. Only problem is the fog at Gronder is literally only alluded to in the cutscenes before the actual battle.

Why do the Blue Lions have so much more SOUL than the other houses?

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Edelgard didn't act retarded in BL, she acted the exact same she did in her route.

It's only Claude for that one mission, and I think it's because the fight was supposed to be "confusing" and Dimitri didn't care about killing alliance troops anyway.

BL and GD are both decently written, BE falls completely apart though, Dimitri is a different character in it.

It's too easy but not as awful as some people try to say. They give you WAY too many divine pulse charges, you should have three maximum. Some maps like the final BL map with its one million mages were fun to complete but overall its still on the easy side, though basically every FE is.

How did Thales manage to convince Grug to kill the sex goddess Sothis anyway?

>she acted the exact same she did in her route.
No? She's quite literally an entire different character in BE. Just as much as Dimitri is.

Have you played the game? That is the exact reason the game gives

BL has the shittiest writting of all the routes

She was a lot less ruthless and more tactical in her route, though I guess you could argue it's the difference between having and not having Byleth. MUs playing an active role in the plot ruined Fire Emblem.

My bet is that it'll be a Fog of War map in lunatic.

>Dimitri is a different character in it.
He's not that different, he just doesn't get punished

Because you are a fujo or an otomefag.

>"Dude if you kill her your name will become known across the land and you can debone her to make a sick ass sword"
Unga: King of the Bungas is not a complicated man user.

Edelgard is the exact same character in every route and throughout the whole game

>Dimitri is a completely ooc in BE
How come? He’s still obsessed with vengeance, but he didn’t go full boar mode since he didn’t get betrayed by his kingdom and Rhea kept him in check.

She seems to be not quite as far gone in GD either, I mean she's still kinda a bitch, but not as much as in BL.

I think we can all agree that Three Houses is a worse game than it actually seems on surface.

No.

Can we all agree this user is a faggot?

>gets influenced by their sensei in their respective route
>act differently
Really activates my almonds

BE is an unfinished mess of a route

Couldn't Unga the first Bunga just have easily have gone down in history as the guy that raped god and made her his cockslave?

It doesn't even look good on the surface. It's worse than some of the 3DS games in a lot of ways.

No, you could argue she's more ruthless in BL like but she's not that much different, it's just that she doesn't have Byleth's support and you don't have her point of view there, she was even civil enough to talk with Dimitri before the final fight.

Meanwhile Dimitri is not even crazy in BE, literally all his characterization is gone, he's just some dude defending his kingdom and the church.

I don't like MUs either.
Also I feel that she was also pretty tactical in BL.

How do I find a qt knight wife?

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No, but I can agree that you have shit taste.

Every route makes the assumption that everyone else is a moron for whatever reason. In BE edelgard talks about how retarded it would be to trust the slither cult, but in every other route she winds up getting completely initiated. Dimitri winds up pointlessly extending the war for muh feels because he's a shitty hero in every route that isn't his. And claude always an hero's unless you're there to hold his hand and baby him out of being a retard.

Why the hell did the Slitherers even need surface dwellers to make Crests, stones and relics? Why couldn't they just experiment and implement Crests on themselves instead of risking their non-consenting test subjects going against them once their free like Edelgard did?

His vengeance is barely touched upon in BE's timeskip. He barely has fucking lines in it.

He doesn't go mad either.

Quite literally not. Play BE or something.
Having a different personality in other route isn't being ooc. The circumstances and consequences on each route impact the characters in different ways.

Ooc shit is Claude in BL or Edelgard in GD being obsessed with Byleth even though it makes no sense and feels like they just recycled that shit from church route where it actually makes sense.

Claude, what's going on big guy? You just murdered my wife.

it is basically fates, only the retards which this is their first fire emblem think it is good

all fire emblem veterans know this game is a fucking insult to fire emblem
>otomebait shit

Sick ass bone sword > sex

they say becuase they was fog, and i'm hoping in lunatic they actually add fog to the fight, as there's was only 1 map (on BL at least) that had fog and that was in PART ONE, WHITE CLOUDS. Makes sense they're going to add more considering you can purhcase torches for the entire game, yet they only serve a purpose for that one chapter

>Dimitri winds up pointlessly extending the war for muh feels because he's a shitty hero in every route that isn't his
Are you saying that Dimitri fighting back is "pointlessly extending the war"?

So what made Hubert be so, uh, devoted to Edelgard? I mean when she was exiled to Faerghus he literally ran after her and killed the Empire soldiers sent to bring him back for three days until he exhausted himself, when he was fucking 10.

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>Dimitri is not even crazy in BE
The dude was mad and rampaging out of personal vendetta against Edelgard. He kept fighting a lost cause because muh revenge, just pointlessly continuing the war.

Where is your argument? She behaves the exact same in all routes and het own route is included. As a character she is completely static and unchanging. From the beginning to the end she is the same character, in all routes

At least one route of Fates had amazing gameplay to make up for it. Can't say the same of 3H.

Fates story was garbage, fuck off

CHAOTIC WARFARE!

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>He kept fighting a lost cause because muh revenge, just pointlessly continuing the war.
>just don’t fight back
It’s not even like he was under siege

Groomed that way, plus wanting pussy will lead a man to do crazy things.

Edelgard activated her pheromone that makes everyone in her vicinity braindead

He kept fighting because the Empire was fucking attacking his kingdom and the church that they back, he wasn't mad or rampaging at all in BE.

He only gets like that in GD and his own route.
Haven't played Church's timeskip yet but I bet it's like GD's.

He was made her vassel since he was 7. His entire childhood he was raised for the position, basically being molded into the perfect slave, sp that his family could hopefully gain political power from his position.

>Edelgard activated her pheromone
Damn it why did you say that now I have a boner

>ruthless and merciless outside of her routes, doesn't care about dead civilians, the whole war made shit hit the fan, heartless without remorse

>insecure and still human in her route, doesn't want to pointlessly kill civilians, tells people to surrender when they've been defeated, the war didn't grow as much as she did because of her hesitation

Yeah totally the same character. The exact same personality and traits too.
Retard

>that his family could hopefully gain political power from his position.
And then he turns around and kills them in cold blood while the rest of the noble houses are placed under house arrest by Edelgard.

casuals hate fog of war maps, if they play more than 1 they lose they start sperging, retards forget that you can TORCH to see what the fuck is happening

like what said, fates gameplay was amazing compared to 3h, if you want a good story read a book and fuck off, 3h gameplay is abysmal

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That user's okay
You however seem like the gigantic faggot

Edelgard really doesn't act all that different between routes though. She's always composed, calculating and would do anything to achieve her goals, in every route.

Yeah. It may sound weird but raising your child to hold no affection for you might result in them not caring about your death. Crazy, huh?

I suggest you play the game

>composed
She drops her spaghetti over sensei though

Is there any information on Patricia, Edelgard's mother in any of the other BL routes?

She was complicit in the tragedy of Duscar, clearly desiring to return to her daughter, yet disappeared close to 4 years before the events of the game.

>Church route
>You don't even get to talk to Dimitri or Claude
>They die or go missing offscreen in that three way war you can't even be involved in
>You only get to talk to and kill Edelgard
This route blows. And I thought GD Dimitri's death was terrible. You literally just get told by a character in one scene of one sentence offhandedly of Dimitri and Claude's fate and it doesn't get mentioned again. Except for a dream that doesn't make sense for Dimitri.

It's a ride. You expect it to bee utter shit based on early footage, then it turns out to be fairly decent then suddenly does it's thing midway through making it seem super hype and cool but then it kind of gets retarded in every route besides church and all the endings are underwhelming in general.

Arianrhod got nuked. The kingdom had been pretty much captured except for the capital. Dimitri was literally just fighting a desperate fight to kill Edelgard. He didn't care about the well-being of his country or sending it to war. He did it all because of his personal revenge against Edelgard. The dude was a commander out of control. Someone who didn't know when to fucking surrender.
Look at what Claude did and how he spared the Alliance from being consumed by the war. Dimitri didn't give a shit about that. It's not "defending your homeland" it's literally "I'll rather kill my entire country than entrust their lives to you and I don't care about their opinion on it"

I know, I'm just pointing out how their very means to power was their undoing.

Epic argument. This is why I hate BLtards who only played one route.

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She's not heartless without remorse in the other routes though, there is literally no reason to think that, other than just not having her point of view.

The things she does in BE are all the same she does in the other routes regarding the conflict, you just get to see that she wasn't so ruthless after all. And she does accept surrenders, there are still people subservient to the Empire even in the other routes.

And the war was just as big in BE, the route is just shorter.

Personally I prefer Lost In the Waves, but it's not bad.

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3H's gameplay was so shit I couldn't even finish one route all the way. I'm convinced with how many people like 3H and liked Echoes that the majority of grandpas/veterans actually just want to play VNs, because they only like the games with """"""""good""""""" story and shit gameplay, but hate the opposite.

Church route is utter shit. Feels like some faggot wanted a way to romance Rhea so they made a whole route for it.

It’s not like he was under siege, a chance at victory presented itself and you want him to not take a chance. Especially since he would surrendering his nation to an authoritarian tyrant that his people already rebelled against

Absolutely braindead take.

>And the war was just as big in BE
You mean the route in which the kingdom was never captured, Cornelia never sentenced Dimitri to death, and the empire was a complete stalemate?
Uh huh, yeah, JUST as big.

Only seething Edeltardy waifufags cry about the shitstains that are the gay otome lions

I feel like Church was literally tacked on so people wouldn't feel forced to go against Rhea even if they wouldn't necessarily feel that way since the first half of the game has you loyal to the Knights. It was an awful decision nonetheless.

Thanks for the blogpost, where do I upvote this?

this but unironically

>>insecure and still human in her route, doesn't want to pointlessly kill civilians, tells people to surrender when they've been defeated, the war didn't grow as much as she did because of her hesitation

This is entirely false, if you’re so obsessed with a character why not play their own route

Play the game. She literally says she's going to create chaos on the battlefield then suddenly everyone goes retarded on the battlefield.

End of All is better I think, but it's pretty damn good. One of the few standouts in an otherwise bland soundtrack if I'm being honest.

>He didn't care about the well-being of his country or sending it to war.
He rode out of the capital exactly to avoid the damages and engage them beforehand dumbo. Something Rhea didn't care about.

>He did it all because of his personal revenge against Edelgard.
You're using information from other routes to add characterization that is completely fucking missing from BE's.

So basically you're saying that because he didn't surrender his kingdom then that's proof he's crazy and out of control? That's retarded.

>Look at what Claude did and how he spared the Alliance from being consumed by the war.
The only reason he does that is because in other routes he doesn't give a fuck about the Alliance or Fodlan at all. No stakes for him in the war.

No, braindead is having a commander who keeps on being a warmonger and putting the entire country in danger because of his selfish pride and obsession with the enemy. He was literally a mad king, once again, willing to kill his entire country instead of surrendering.

At least the series stopped pretending to be about that shitty cookie cutter jtrpg trash gameplay and embraced what people played them the most for: Characters

Every Lord acts differently in other's routes. Some of it is just poor writing, some is missing context and perspective from their point of view, others like Edelgard, behave much different with Byleth on their side.

This is absolutely true. You saying otherwise suggests you have not played more than 1 path or where not paying much attention to the characters at all.

>play church route
>wtf this route is focused on the church instead of the lords?? how could this happen

You're also missing a lord. Yes, I know Byleth is supposed to be one, but other routes you get Byleth and Edel/Claude/Dimitri. So you're missing an important piece in one route and it sucks that I don't have a lord. Seteth is supposed to be one in the Church route, but he just doesn't have the stats.

it was such a fucking retarded excuse of an intervention. Wiped the map clean off every single Empire units on the field in the very first turn.
> Woah the battlefield is so confusing! lol let's beat the only army left standing because they might be Empire even though they're all fucking blue! haha!

most retarded lord of the three, supposed to be the smart one.

Ah yes here we see Edelgard with her disregard for civilian lives, just like in the other routes.

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Haha...

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You think this is the trajectory for FE gameplay now? I hoped Echoes would be an outlier since it was a Gaiden remake, but then 3H just took Echoes gameplay and added Gambits and it's awful.

If FE is just Echoes gameplay + fluff from now on with how successful this game has been that's really sad.

>tfw I like both Dimitri and Edelgard
Can't we all just get along and not create a shitstorm over the lords?

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That user is correct though. She makes a point to capture strategic locations to avoid more bloodshed and will spare Claude, even offers to spare Dimitri, etc. If you're arguing that she isn't changed, just less desperate I can see that, but that user definitely isn't wrong on what happens in BE.

It's Fire Emblem. Of course not.

What do you mean by her stopping the war from becoming as big then, because all those things are effects from Rhea being in the Kingdom, and have nothing to do with Edelgard or her character.

The war was still just as big because she went to march onto the kingdom capital and the alliance capital.

user, you're talking to a retard
Understand this fact

Excellent argument bro I’m sure people who have actually played the game will agree with you.

Edelgard is the exact same on all routes, as she should be as she is the driving force behind the plot. She is a static, unchanging element. You getting to tease her about mice doesn’t change this fact

In every other route besides BE, Edelgard accomplishes her primary mission of imprisoning/neutralizing Rhea and scattering the Church's forces. She then goes on a war of aggression and generally makes peoples' lives miserable along the way. She doesn't stop even after her cover story of destroying Rhea/The Church has been accomplished.

In BE the plot has to bend over backwards to avoid painting Edelgard as Walhart 2.0, a dictator aggressively trying to reunify the lands, by making every other main character retarded.

>tfw was foolish enough to think ISIS would make more games like Conquest since it sold well, just with phoenix mode replaced with a grinding mode instead
It's not fair.

How much worse do you guys think 3H would have been if it hadn't been delayed?

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Try reading

Is it actually accurate to call Edelgard/Dimitri/Claude lords? Yes, they do cause an instant game over upon defeat, but on the flip side they aren't forced to be deployed for a large chunk of the game's missions. Meanwhile, Byleth is a forced deploy on every real mission.
Byleth is the actual Lord in this game.

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The war didn't grow as big in BE because Edelgard couldn't lead for shit because she was still depressed about Byleth missing. She lost her morale and her sight to lead the entire army.
This doesn't happen in the other routes where she doesn't have anyone to keep her sanity in check and goes full ham against the continent.

Not him, but you can't compare her attitude when she's winning in one route and losing in the other.

In BL she strikes me just the same as BE, that if she would've won then mercy would've been offered too.

The other user that said how every lord is retarded outside of their own path. There's not much point discussing who was right/better it seems like, since whoever you pick is "right" and everyone else goes retarded. That's just the shitty way they decided to write this game.

It was inevitable the moment the moment we know you could pick different routes.

What's he thinking about?

The war is just as big, it’s just faster.

You mean the Church route did. The other routes just felt forced compared to that.

Gambits and Monster battles are a good addition that added another layer of depth to this game.
The game is in its current form just too easy, but that’s fixeable.

>Church
>good writing
Eh?

FUCK EDELGARD

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what is the target audience of this character

>that if she would've won then mercy would've been offered too.
Who do you think she is turning into crest beasts

He means the war during the timeskip, not after Byleth returns.
During the timeskip, the war was a way bigger conflict outside BE with Cornelia, almost the whole Kingdom defeated, etc.

I don't want to think about that.

>if everyone would just sumbit and become pawns of the empire there would be no war so anyone that fights back against the imperial invasion is the bad guy

what do you mean "worse"

the game is flawed, for sure, but it's great

figuratively or literally?

Snape fangirls

People who like Snape

Wtf bros why did edelgard stab me I reached out my hand like she kept telling me to do

Honestly I'm not really into gambits or monster battles. Monsters are mainly just damage sponges and gambits are downright gamebreaking. I do like that you (and monsters) can set forests on fire though.

People who want to fuck Oberstein

That earned a hearty kek
You're alright

>literally an almyran plant sent to take over the Almyra's rhistorical rival from the inside

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She goes ham against the continent in BE too, or do you think the incursion into the alliance was for peaceful reasons?

Reunifying the continent was always one of her aims though, it just happens that in BE she goes after the alliance before the kingdom (because dramatically it's better). You can bet your ass that even if she defeated Rhea first she would've gone after the Alliance after, that's if they hadn't surrendered already.

if hittler won the war he would not be portrayed as evil, history is written by the victors you stupid fuck

Why does Edelgard's route have it's own credits theme? All the other routes use Edge of Dawn. I can't confirm Golden Deers, though, because I can't find it's credits.

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She doesn't want the Big Boar Cock, she wants the Big Sensei Cock. Too bad the Big Sensei Cock is for Lysithea and Flayn.

Because you're a smelly boar and not sensei.

And she kept on carving her path like the Boar told her to.

When he’s comically outgunned and Rhea has already forsaken him? Yeah kinda

Not enough raiding, but his route was best.

No she didn’t, she literally gave up

>Still no playable baron

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He's weakening Dimitri so that he might have the upper hand on him later.

We almost had that with Edelgard, almost. If only IS let her special class use magic.

>teamed up earlier to distract gloucester troops from the bridge
>should we team up again for the clash at the field?
>nah let's be stupid and go for a 3 way battle

>Edelgard: Claude, surrender the Alliance to the empire or die
>Claude: I won't. You'll have to battle us first
>get defeated
>Edelgard: You've lost. Give up already.
>Claude: Fine, you won the battle. I'll surrender now but spare my country from a bloodshed

>Edelgard: Dimitri, surrender the Kingdom to the Empire or die
>Dimitri: I won't. You'll have to battle us first
>get defeated
>Edelgard: You've lost. Give up already
>Dimitri: NOOO! I'LL NEVER GIVE UP! I DON'T CARE HOW MANY SOLDIERS I MUST SEND TO THEIR DEATH! I WON'T GIVE UP EVER! I'LL KILL YOU EDELGARD! I'LL KILL YOU AND I'LL NEVER SUBMIT THE KINGDOM TO YOU! DIE, DIE DI-
>*clonk*

She does it because the Alliance isn't actually neutral and wants to change that. Did you read?

Because she's losing, like I said. Edelgard is the kind of character that would go to any length to accomplish her goals, this is the same in every route.

Because she's a shoehorn creators pet
Makes you wonder why'd they give her the short end of the stick with a shitty route since they do everything to get us to pick her story perspective first

I kind of want claude’s VA to do a read of this during his FE streams.

Just make it a master class
Why the fuck did we get Naruto Ninja before Baron

almyrans are actually the niggers of 3h, cyril is basically a slave of the church and he acts like it is the greatest shit that ever happened to him

why claude defends such a shit country

Imagine if delegate actually killed dimitri. We already saw what faerghus did to Duscur after their case of regicide. Hoo boy that would be spicy

who's most likely to do anal

More like sandniggers

Reminder that Ashe was originally a fucking GD student, and that explains why he feels so out of place in BL (also he's the only shit character in the group).
I guess they realized BL had the best roster by far, so they had to make some changes between the houses.
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I thin you're the one that didn't read if you really think she didn't go ham on the entire continent on all routes.

>Claude doesn't really give a shit about Fodlan
>Dimitri does
There is your answer

people who want to be fucked by dracula

Ignatz.

Pulling aggro so that your Lys doesn’t get oneshot, managing dizziness and armor break stun and managing the amount of gambits you have was fun. Also fighting a huge ass monster now feels like you’re actually fighting a huge ass monster. Gambits being gamebreaking is just bad balancing.

Who the fuck would Faerghus scapegoat though? I mean Edelgard is already dead as shit so it's not like they can go after her.

In the Church route, the Church, the Alliance, and the Kingdom were all in an alliance of convenience against Edelgard after MC's return.

Dimitri perishes in the three way battle, Edelgard is injured and is forced to retreat, and Claude is MIA. The Kingdom's and Alliance's strength begins to perish and eventually disintegrate at the end of the game. Dimitri or Dimitri's soul visits Byleth after he allegedly dies, calmer and presumably brought back to sanity just like BL, but the game never confirms whether this is his spirit or if he was just really lucky.

If Claude didn't give a shit about Fódlan he wouldn't have fought against Edelgard in the first place and would have just fucked up to let the Alliance get ravaged by the war.

Sounds great, I'd rather go down fighting Hitlergard than submit.

God, Crestless Commoners are waste of character spots and should be removed altogether.

Linhardt

Dimitri truly was obsessed.

She sure seems much more likable now...
Lay on your stomach like a submissive dog or die are pretty generous options

Dimitri fighting a decisive battle is hardly dragging his country through the dirt, meanwhile edeltard refuses to surrender after losing fort merceus and then I read
There was nothing to be gained by killing Dimitri at the end of BL, the only thing she would accomplish is making the people of Faerghus further despise imperial citizens, leading to complete ruin

>dimitri cares about fodlan

except he does not, he only cares about getting that edelgard pussy

Fuck off Ashe is great in BL.
Cute as fuck supports with my wife.

I prefer pulling aggro using placement rather than just using a skill and calling it a day. To each their own though.

>removing based Dorothea
You're a fucking shitheap of a human being.

...the people that started the war and supported her? You have your savior king getting killed while reaching out a hand for peace you think that is going to boil over well?

>one nuke later and not giving up is dragging his country to the dirt

If he had survived the battle somehow, he would have gone ballistic against Rhea for setting the capital on fire.

Aren't Edelgard and Dimitri both supposed to have a few screws lose and that present their insanity in different ways?

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She was moping around and was in sensei cock withdrawal in Beagles route. That’s why she was in a stalemate after the timeskip while in the other routes she went ham.

Dimitri doesn't care about about Fodlan, all he cares about is revenge and his personal grudges, hence the "Obsessed" line.

Have you even played the game?

Edge of Dawn is called Lady of Hresvelg in Japanese. It is quite literally her image song that details her regrets about her actions and how she wishes the days at the academy could last forever.

There’s no need for that when she succeeds at her goal and retains her humanity through it all

The only reason Claude fought against Edelgard in BE is because she went to attack the capital.
Before that the Alliance was """"neutral"""

Well no but trying to lynch all of Adrestria will be pretty hard and probably a bad idea.

Dedue

>That training text prompt
God I wish they would show off everything that was changed or cut, it must have been an interesting development cycle.

Yes, but people have gotten tribal about the houses in this since before official release. Didn't BLfags chase a leaker out of /feg/?

I'm pretty sure Dimitri is dead. And that was either a dream or his ghost. Seteth even confirms reports that apparently people found Dimitri's body as one of the casualties. Claude missing and abandoning his mother's homeland is still weak, though.

Edelgard's voice was better to be honest.
And Mercedes had brown hair.

They genocides Duscur due to hearsay without proof

Gonna say it again mane. Did you read? Even Claude says the Alliance was never neutral, even in GD the Alliance lords having varying allegiances is an issue.

Yeah and in BE she still goes ham she just waits a couple more years.

She's the same in every route, the only difference is the perspective you get and that in her route she's not on the losing side.

Meanwhile Dimitri is literally a different character in BE, which really fucking annoys me because he was consistent in GD.

Half the Alliance supported the empire and the other half not. Literally they were in inner conflicts and Claude was fucked.
And yes, Edelgard went directly to the capital because she wanted to avoid fighting as much as possible (at least in BE) because she didn't want pointless deaths.

No one is denying that.

>FE panders to (((gameplay)))fags
>almost goes bankrupt
>FE panders to otome and waifufags
>sells better than ever

>and in BE she still goes ham she just waits a couple more years.
Literally the war she fought was much less violent and she captured the Alliance and Kingdom by capturing strategic points and putting a swift end to the conflict.
All because of Edelgard being a different character in her route and having different ideals and ethics.

Why do you think neutral was in quotations.

>weebs are braindead drones

sounds about right, they even defend gacha games

Excellent fanfiction

Had me fucking fooled going by Yea Forums threads usually devolving into edelgard/Dimitri shitflinging

I'm still confused on why they made the main theme about her. Wouldn't it make more sense for the main theme to be about all three lords? The only reasons I can think is either she's supposed to be the main antagonist or the main lord, or that she best represents the game's themes.

Don’t forget
>(((gameplayfags))) left the franchise dying on the road
>waifuchads revive it and it becomes a huge franchise
>now they come crawling back and complain about how they’re pandering to their new audience
Grandpas are one of the worst things

Conquest sold well though. Unironically if they had added a mode that allowed grinding and written the game better we could've all gotten the best of both worlds. No, BR and Rev don't count because unit balance is fucked and the map design isn't nearly as good.

If they participated in the battle it would have either become CD or BL lite. I can understand the narrative choice to avoid that for the Church route to keep it unique.

It was just kinda bullshit that Rhea dies even in that route unless you S Support her. Why not have her and Seteth aid you as you convert Fodlan into a theocracy? Why arbitrary Rhea boss fight?

>Everyone Edelgard murdered deserve...

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>Literally the war she fought was much less violent and she captured the Alliance and Kingdom by capturing strategic points and putting a swift end to the conflict.
It's easy to do that when you have the upper hand.

>All because of Edelgard being a different character in her route and having different ideals and ethics.
No, those only came out of circumstance, that's the point. There is nothing that says that she has different ideals or ethics in other routes, it just so happens that in those routes she has opposition and you don't have access to her point of view.

Edelgard is one of the most consistent characters in the game.

I barely even consider BE to be the real route. The thing feels so half-assed and contrary to everything the game sets you up for that I genuinely thought the game would just shit out "You are dead, faggot, Game Over, load and play the real route" screen at me when Rhea fucked MC over before the time skip. And it wasn't the first route I played either so I knew exactly what was supposed to happen and still could not believe it.

Virtually every single character besides Edel and Hubert stuck out like a sore thumb and felt like they did not belong in that route. And I really fucking hated the way writers bitched out of just making Edel a Walhart-like tyrant that she was and tried to halfass a bunch of "redeeming qualities" into her script. Bitch's clearly a villain, at least make her a cool one. I liked Walhart, I wouldn't mind girl Walhart but instead I got this bipolar bitch who's obsessed with her conquest but also has these random ass fits of weakness and compassion towards random ass people that ultimately amount to nothing with her strong-handing whole land after she gets what she wants.

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Behold when she's losing.

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As much as it anally pains people she is the central figure in the time the game takes place that drives the plot forward and was pretty heavily advertised early on. It’s not totally unsurprising

True facts

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Claude is the best leader of the best house where everyone is a close-knit family.

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Edelgard is not sane in the other routes, nor feels any guilt or remorse about the war she started to reform Fódlan as she wanted. She's a cold and dead inside ruler who does everything in her power to achieve her goals, sacrificing anything that requires so.

She's literally the complete opposite of that in BE. I don't know why you try to keep pushing this bullshit that she's the same in BE when she's literally not.

Should have been a fog of war map.
This is the only time I will EVER say that sentence.

No one in Golden Deers is gay, even Mariane and Hilda are bros till the end in the cutest way possible.

People who listen to Misfits

Before I get this game, I have to know something important

Can I marry the loli dragon?

You see this while walking around the monastery, what do you do?

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yes

Which dragon loli?

Whip out my dick

>It's easy to do that when you have the upper hand.
what upper hand? the empire was literally at its weakest state during CF. All they did was capture the monastery and nothing else.

I didn't really follow any of the pre-release news for this game, was there any reason ever given for Edelgard's voice being changed?

>Edelgard is not sane in the other routes, nor feels any guilt or remorse about the war she started to reform Fódlan as she wanted.
You don't get to see them because she's not the main character in those routes, how hard is it to understand. There is literally no reason to think she doesn't feel guilt or remorse in the other routes, she just doesn't express them because why would she, she's your enemy.

>She's a cold and dead inside ruler who does everything in her power to achieve her goals, sacrificing anything that requires so.
She's not cold and dead inside in BE because she has you by her side (though we don't know if she's like that in the other routes either, she still seems to care about her classmates in GD, for example, but you aren't privy to her feelings in them), but she would do everything in her power to achieve her goals too, even in her own route, she just doesn't need to, because you're winning, but even she remarks that she would do anything.

>She's literally the complete opposite of that in BE. I don't know why you try to keep pushing this bullshit that she's the same in BE when she's literally not.
Because she is, she's just winning and you have access to her thoughts.

Yes, but you don't fuck because she is basically a tulpa and kinda disappears for like half the game before the very end.

I'm actually one of few anons here who hate the self-insert Mary Sue Avatars and wished it was back to BB, where you're just this random, faceless, tactician that never participates battles, just planning out the Lords' battle strategy, with a minimal role in the overall plot and only appear in cutscenes and no cringey romance scenes.

she broke nda

You fuse with her half way through the game and stay like that regardless of the route. Shit fucking sucked because she was by far my favorite character and got completely written out of the game for no good reason.

mommy

get my member into her pitcher plant

Is it just me or does Hubert look like and act like that guy from Perfect Blue

Edelgard is not even close to sane in her own route what game did you play

Almyrans are more like late-antiquity germanic barbarians

Rookie mistake.

>still unable to marry whoever you want in these games

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I wouldn't mind a middleground if you were just always the lord's strategist/mentor and you help plan battles in cutscenes with the lord. The problem is when the plot starts to revolve around them. Even the waifufaggotry can stay if the MU stops being plot central.

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>deduegori
It fits so much holy shit.

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I don't know which dragon loli you're talking about but the answer is yes to both of them

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Edelgard quite literally says in the game Byleth was the only reason why she was still sane and hadn't turned into a cold-hearted monster yet, and it's true. In all those 5 years, Edelgard worried about Byleth and lost her will to lead the army, or at least did so with a heavy burden on her shoulders, which is the main reason why the war was radically different.

In the other routes, she has been consumed by her insanity, and has become a ruthless tyrant. You don't need to be at her side to see that she has lost every shred of humanity she once had.

BE is literally the only route in which she's shown still being human and having internal conflicts about the war. About how she feels guilty about all the blood that will be spilled for her cause that is for her greater good.

The only reason why BE route is radically different to the other routes is LITERALLY for the fact that Edelgard isn't a monster in her route. Nothing else.

>lionboy jealous that he isn't getting any daddy love

dropped

user when we say we want to fuck daddies we don't mean your actual dad.

Jeralt is only for wholesome familial love

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>finally a cute tiki
>almost never transforms
i hate it

I feel bad for that user. Asks a simple yes/no question and gets spoilers in return.

>Doing the GD route right after BL
>THE DUDE shows up out of nowhere to kick Edelgard's ass

Oh shit, GD is the best route, huh?

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Literally most of the BE House don't even like Edel and don't at all regret her death in the other routes. Some characters like Petra even state she always wanted the Empire to go down because she was being held hostage by them. Ferdie even states that the Empire must go and that Edel is a ruthless person that would sacrifice countless lives for her goal. The morale and synergy of BEs is just pathetic.

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Pretty much yes.

Lets imagine for a moment that Flayn had joined Edelgard in CF anyway.
That sensei milkies overpowered her will to side with her dad and Rhea.

What would have happened?

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Even if the map had fog, it would still have this to make it clear that the GD units knew exactly who they were attacking and did it anyway.

I like how this isn't even really warped much from the original dialog

Here user, I'll give you the answer. It's because they wanted an epic three way battle and had to write around this fact and failed miserably because the game isn't actually that well written. This is what you wanted to hear right?

Would you even consider fusion to be the kind of thing that should not be spoiled? It's not exciting and serves zero purpose other than devs bitching out of being forced to write a shit ton of unique dialogue of her commenting on pretty much everything happening in every route the same way she did before the time skip.

I'm glad we outnumber you

I think he means Flayn

There are three houses: Blue Lions, Golden Deer, and wrong.

Then why does everyone join her cause outside the church route, retard?
Petra even states how much she wants Brigid and the Empire to get along and have good relationships.

Honestly, I blame Hubert. Dude is supposed to be her personal advisor and all he wants to do is just suck her dick 24/7. When the most "logical" person around tells you you can never do anything wrong instead of bringing up all the shady shit going on around them, you'll bound to become super delusional.

Capture and rape her.

I'm talking about Flayn being a dragon.

This.
>Jeralt using Byleth's face to mop up all of the sweat out of his smelly, hairy armpits, ass, and pubes after a long battle

Byleth is barely a self insert. You can't even customize them, and excluding the Church route the plot is more about each lord than it is about Byleth, something you can't say about FE12-14's avatars.

I’m glad that Three Houses ended up being a good game. That’s all I wanted.

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The fear of fucking dying since Claude is untrustworthy and Dimitiri is in prison and Sensei is fucking dead.

It would have been nice if, in BE, the game gave Byleth the choice to appoint either Ferdinand or (for shits and giggles) Hubert as the Emperor after Rhea's defeat, to give Edelgard an out to be a normal person pursue her romantic support.

Given how the Kingdom reacted to seeing Dimitri again and the forces spread thin across Alliance territory as well----I don't see how a post-BE Fodlan wouldn't suffer from constant revolts and political unrest with Edelgard the butcher leading it.

>Three Houses
>good game
citation needed

Have you played GD? Because Edelgard is pretty chill in it, you still fight her, but she laments when a classmate dies and she shows that she's only fighting for her ideals, but she wouldn't trust Claude with them either, so she won't surrender.

Just like she is in BE.
Just like in BL, too, so much that she rejects Dimitri's mercy, but you literally talk to her before the final fight and you can see that she's not so far the deep end that you could call her inhuman. She's just fighting, that she's turning into a crest beast and she knows she's losing.

True, Byleth being there makes her heart not go cold because of the war, but the core of her character is absolutely the same in every route, her regrets don't really matter in other routes, which is why you don't get to see them either. The reason the war played out differently is not because she's a particularly better (or worse, depending on the route) person, but because the circumstances themselves were different. Even in chapter 3 she remarks that she would also risk her citizens to realize her ideals, like Lonato, it just doesn't get to that point in BE.

If you thought that she was a monster in the other routes then I don't know what to tell you, I didn't think about her that way even in BL, which was my first route. I thought of her as a tragic villain.

Meanwhile if I played BE first I wouldn't even know how crazy Dimitri actually is, because he's almost a different character.

>good
(lol

I don't mind the waifufaggotry, the hogwarts setting and the self-insert MC, but please just give me better maps and a better combat system

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cope
almost everyone can join every route if you recruit them it doesn't mean every character actually makes sense to be there

Petra has very strong feelings about the Empire that she doesn't share outside of some A or B supports. She's not a blind Empire fanatic, she recognizes how precarious her position is as a representative of Bridig.

And characters like Hilda refuse outright to join with El, because they see past her bullshit

>Recruiting Ferdinand the same month his estate is stolen from him

It just feels so right.

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How big of a role does Jeralt play in the game? And where's Byleth's mom?

thoughts on the battalion system? should they remove it entirely or have it stay?

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>good

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Recruiting characters is non-canon for any route.

wait how the hell do I marry Sothis?

Not a large enough role, he dies before the timeskip (and before you would presumably get to fuck him)

it helps shitty characters but ultimately they should just ditch it, gambits are too strong.

The existence of cross-house post-timeskip paralogues says otherwise. Recruiting Caspar is practically canon for Blue Lions.

Well that sucks. He didn't get to see his son become a beautiful handsome man.

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Edelgard captured Arianrhod and then turned it into a second Aliel, killing everyone inside. Calude survived because he fucking ran away. Lysethia lives because edelgard sees she has two crests and wants her as a pet. Why the fuck would anyone surrender to that?

She is arguably worse in her own route, "play her route lol" is the biggest meme ever. She makes no attempts to understand her opponents and just tramples the continent while ignoring slitherers. At least in BL she actually has a discussion with Dimitri.

Might as well just bring back pair up if you keep it. It looks cool but I don't see why there needs to be a mechanic to show a unit is actually leading a group of soldiers.

>Then why does everyone join her cause outside the church route, retard?
Because of Byleth? Even the Church route confirms this. Dorothea and Caspar literally tell you in that route that they only sided with Byleth because they trust him. Caspar only went with Edelgard because you didn't recruit him, same reason for Linhardt. They actually don't care about the Empire or Edel, and they tell you this in BEs and the other routes. They only went with Edelgard because they knew her. In Ashe and Lorenz' case, Edelgard threatened them to join. And that was pretty much the same case Edel tried to do with Ferdie by revoking his noble status.

Contrast this with Felix who wants Edelgard's head or Ingrid and Sylvain mourning in GD and Church after they find out Dimitri's death if you don't recruit them. They all want revenge so their king can RIP.

Choose to marry no one and you automatically get the Sothis end.

Byleth never grows up

Kind of think it should be a class specific thing rather then something you can attach to everyone freely.

t.gbababby

They're fine, but tone down the stat boosts, nerf Stride, and make Miracle only last for one turn.

Jeralt is a leader of a mercenary band that used to serve as a knight at the monastary. He gets recognized by an old war buddy and you get dragged to the monastary with him. He gives you fatherly advice for the first half of the the game and does the narration but isn't that important outside of getting the plot moving. One of the students lived in a village Jeralt worked in for a while and she idolizes him as a result.

Byleth's mom died during childbirth.

Just tone them down a bit. Get rid of the debuff and make the damage lower when using it on multiple enemies. Battalions make fights feel like actual war battles which is nice.

thats what I get for marrying Lysithea, damn cancer

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Honestly one of the biggest letdowns for me was that you can actually recruit people instead of them changing allegiances during time skip (like it happens with a few characters you defeat after the time skip).

Heck, some characters should've even left your own house depending on the one you pick. Like for example Ashe should've joined the Empire to avenge his father even in BL or Ferdinand should've left the Empire since they want to abolish nobility and he shouldn't be cool with that for no reason.

>Byleth's mom died during childbirth.
Why do writers hate having both parents around/alive?
>the only Pokemon games where you have both parents are RSE

>She makes no attempts to understand her opponents and just tramples the continent while ignoring slitherers.
Ah I see yet another person who skipped Hubert's paralogue

Are there any reasons at all for Byleth to follow Edelgard other than getting a chance to smash that emperor pussy?

It's even more retarded when 2 chapters later, after he asks for your help, it turns out that he always believed in you to the point where he sent a messenger to Faerghus' occupied capital BEFORE Dimitri liberated it because he knew he'd eventually do it.

>tfw Jeralt will never get to admire the fine man his son turned out to be
>tfw Jeralt will never pull Byleth aside after training to compare his physique to his
>tfw Jeralt will never strip Byleth down and grope him all over
>tfw Jeralt will never frot with his son until he shoots rope after rope of potent crest seed all over his chest

Who's the character with the saddest death quote? Ashe's always breaks my heart, he really was just a kid.

There are a ton of reasons, take your pick.
>built in tragic backstory, can give them the impetus to go on an adventure/seek revenge
>don't have to write around protagonist's family relations
>alternatively, can make dramatic reunions when a protagonist learns they still have family in the world
>fewer obstacles to accepting the call
>more possibility for unconventional moral alignments

To protect her from herself, and Hubert.

Yup, its especially jarring in BE, but its hard to justify every character sticking around regardless of route, surely these kids got some allegiance to their home nation instead of dropping everything cause sensei's back and nothing after that point will change their mind

Ferdinand death quote on the GD route hit me really hard, I don't know why

Protect their student like they promised her they would.
Not siding with the crazy old hag who wants to resurrect the goddess in their body

Byleth has little reason to trust the Church, all things considered, and you don't kill someone you swore to protect just because the creepy pope lady told you to.

Gambits are too strong. Free damage without counter attack and boosted stats. I like having more options but they need to balance it.
Monster fights are great. I think they'd get old if you farmed them though.

Vampire Oberstein AU fanfic writers

Mercedes, Marianne, Ashe and Lysithea have good reasons to join the empire and they don't particularly give a shit about their nations.

>surely these kids got some allegiance to their home nation instead of dropping everything cause sensei's back
It's a Church State and Byleth is a Super Jesus that cut through dimensions..

Because fuck Rhea

>but she wouldn't trust Claude with them either, so she won't surrender.
I don't remember the exact words but that part was great
>I won't hand over Fodlan to summon who doesn't know of its suffering
>says something to make it seem okay. Don't worry I'll finished the job for you
>"Hold a grudge if you must"
Honestly the only flaw is the next cutscene being Byleth killing her

right,. im not saying there cant be those that would stick around, but every single one?

>literally siding with the woman Jeralt kept you away from and told you countless times to be wary of
The last straw was that crazy bitch holding you on her lap and treating you as if you were her mommy.

i kinda hope monster fights are just one large hp pool with triggers more like an MMO boss rather than two or three health bars separated. i don't really like having to spend and extra turn to deal one more HP to reach the next health bar.

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>BE falls completely apart though, Dimitri is a different character in it.

That's because in that route she never relies on the dubsteppers's connections to make Cordelia fuck Dimitri's life, hence why he's not a complete loon there

This is my beautiful wife!

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Three Houses is a smart evolution of Echoes mechanics imo. I'm always in favor of giving the player more tools. The issue is that the game isn't challenging enough to really test your mastery of them and force the player to play proactively.

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everyone saw Rhea turn into a giant fucking lizard monster. I would bail the fuck out of there too.

I'm honestly surprised Felix didn't turn traitor or at least left the BLs after his father's death. Man, the venom he throws at Dimitri and Dedue is just lethal, to the point that I can't even see it as a concern. He practically calls Dedue a bitch slave and intentionally insults Dimitri to piss him off to the point that Dedue was actually willing to fight him. Punished Dimitri also almost attacked the hell out of Felix for speaking out of turn.

>Ashe
The kid dreams about being a knight of Faerghus. He's got reason to resent the church, but not to leave his homeland.

I understand why they didn't do that. It could get one shot by a Dimitri crit.
By separating health pools it require more units to attack.
Also it can give you a free attack if finish off a health pool.

Well Rhea pretty much acts like every evil pope in an jrpg so I can't blame them for thinking Edelgard is the lesser of 2 evils

I bet you think Shamir and Catherine are just traveling mercenaries in their ending, too

Easily the coolest thing IS has done with the franchise since support links. I think there's room for improvement though.

They should be baked into every unit instead of something you need to equip manually. The shaken debuff gambits apply are a really cool way of managing crowds, which is something the series has needed for years beyond "stick beefy guy in doorway/bridge". I'm not sure as to how equipping gambits should be done though. Unique to the unit? Class? Something that needs to be bought at a store like the current system?

If nothing else gambits could be a cool and thematically appropriate balancing lever. Some classes, like General or Hero, seem like obvious fits for better, stronger gambits. General getting a doubled offensive gambit count would be an example, or Heros could come with a free Blessing charge for setting up Vantage/Wrath shenanigans. Gambits also add more ways for units to provide utility beyond staff-bitching. Shit like Stride and Dance of the Goddess probably have no place in civilized society, but I like Poison Tactic, Retribution, Sacred Shield and the gambit versions of Smite/Shove/etc.

There's also their current dynamic with monsters, which are really cool enemy types and should definitely be preserved. They force you to ration your gambit charges and carefully manage your action economy.

Authority as a skill could stand to be expanded on as well. Rally skills could gain range based on authority rank, for example, and high charm units could give marginally higher support bonuses or something.

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Gonna throw this out there:
I played in Japanese and Edelgard is very obviously supposed to be bad. Like her VA even sounds slightly crazy pre-timeskip, as if there is something off about her. Hubert basically sits around going "Fufufu". One thing westerners may not realize is the very image of her is culturally more antagonistic. Like a strong womyn is popular overseas but not so much in japan. From the outset, her strong red western queen aesthetic is probably a lot more villainous to the Japanese. Her route is clearly a Conquest style villain route. The question of whether the player can justify his own actions in the path is a separate argument but Edelgard herself is definitely meant to be bad. In the tomb she had a line that was something like "yeah sorry, this is my path" that felt like it was speaking to the players who didn't want her to become evil, saying yeah sorry she's bad.

>everyone saw
play the fucking game, mate. Everyone saw the dragon but only byleth saw rhea turn into the dragon. In half the routes the church spends six years searching for rhea without ever knowing she's the dragon. In GD route claude even comments that if byleth told anyone that rhea is the dragon they would have figured out she was captured by the empire a hell of a lot sooner.

Kind of a surface level reading of Felix. Felix cares about Dimitri and Dedue, but he's also very cynical person who isn't afraid to let it show. He wants Punished Dimitri to snap the fuck out of it and be his own man instead of killing his soul to be a vessel for the dead, and he's disgusted with Dedue's seeming inability to be his own person and make his own choices.

I'm convinced the people who screech about her being literally hitler have only played blue lions where she's their immaculate one equivalent and haven't touched any of the other routes

Claude being the most stable and sane Lord actually means he's the one who needs Byleth the least, things turn out just fine for him even without you around

Gotta remember this is a Japanese games. Lap pillows are supposed to show someone deeply cares about you whether they are currently in some kind of relationship with you or not.

Why are you posting images of my husband?

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>talk to felix after BE timeskip
>he realizes that he is turning into the boar that he hates so much

I am sorry Felix, should have left you to die with BL.

I like the visual of it. Shows you're in a war more than just 6 guys killing 20 guys.
They're too strong giving free stats and free damage. I want them to stay but they need to change something.
The one that makes it so you can't move is very annoying and useful.

>wonder why Manuela has a generic level up quote with "soon the war will be over"
>realize towards the end of my run that majority of supports end with them saying thry want to settle down after the war
>Manuela literally counting down the days until someone marries her

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niza

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In GD and church he joins the empire even if you recruited him. They killed his step dad/role model and step(?) brother so obviously he'd resent the church enough.

She still breaks her "strong red western queen" acting into this soppy weak girl voice all the time in japanese BE route though. It's extremely jarring in fact and one of many reasons why BE was the worst route for me.

>t. gamer mommyfag

Fuck now I can't unsee it
Does that mean he'll try and rape Edelgard?

man three and a half months changes a lot.

If gambits return in the future I think balancing them by class would be really smart. They did a bit of this by limiting flying units to the generally weaker flying battalions, but I think they should go a step further by making mounted battalions exclusive as well and giving each class a certain type only they can use. I suspect they had this stratification in mind for other types of battalions originally, since they have the icons, but backed off for whatever reason.

>never use her
>she never marries in her solo ending.

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What are you talking about? Rhea transformed right there in front of fucking everyone
What the fuck do you think happened at that tomb after everyone was done fighting?

>okay class, we're done fighting Edelgard, you all go back now while me and Rhea talk to Edelgard here

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You can get him back talking to him though, cant you?

>Fates (Conquest) actually has solid gameplay
>but the story is awful

>3H has a serviceable (but not great) story
>but the gameplay is bad
Why is it so hard to get an FE with decent writing and gameplay? The obvious answer would be because they wanted to appeal to the otome crowd who doesn't like actually playing games. Maybe if we ever get a more waifu focused game we'll get something better.

I forgot to mention that gambit damage is generally way too fucking high. By the end of the game Byleth could flatten any unit that was unfortunate to get in gambit range, AND do it in a fuckhuge AoE. Punishing players for recklessly bunching units up and rewarding them for forcing enemies together ought to be enough without doing 40+ damage to all targets in a 5x5 diamond.

IMAGINE

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It's really cool to see your battalion fight with you post timeskip well not the ones that just charge at the enemies those look dumb when it's not against a monster, but they need changes drastically.
Maybe somehow buff offense battalions while nerfing most buffs or make the buffs and heavy stats character/class specific. Maybe not make the offense gambits only usable twice by making the gambit skill give more uses but remove the movement penalty?

Yes, much like with Lorenz.

Claude, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out
I'm gonna conquer your Alliance now

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You're a cruel man.

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Everything Conquest did right was still bogged down by the awfulness of all of Fates' other systems.

They should've kept it as battle formations instead of reworking them into gambits later on during development.

It's one of the coolest things about Langrisser and I was pretty hyped when they first showed them during the trailer.

Even now they're kind of a cool idea, but they're completely overpowered.

She's hardly any worse in BL than anywhere else.

>Almost all of Felix's non-BE wind up with him becoming a wandering mercenary with a deathwish

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When does he invite Ignaz over to inspect some art?

Felix had a hard life

Dragon veins and ninjas/post battle effects that happen even if the enemy misses/does no damage sometimes being bullshit?

3H lunatic has potential though, it's all about how the maps will change.

Conquest has good maps, the gameplay itself is kind of unremarkable.

>Edeltards are so desperate they have resorted to calling Dimitri evil and blood thirsty for defending his country from invasion
I wonder if we can have one thread that they don't shit up.

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Yeah, pretty much. On top of that, there's pair up (which is no longer broken, but now way more annoying to actually leverage) and the awful weapon system.

The gameplay is fine, but the map variety was pretty bad. I remember getting to the spiral tower being excited for less open-arena maps, but no. It was the exception. Even the secret chamber where you rescue Flayn from was a letdown because splitting your group at the start is almost pointless due to teleport panels further down

the ninja shit seemed intentional because the game would put a bunch of fodder in the frontlines to kamikaze while the big guys come to finish a unit off

Cause Claude's an opportunistic asshole

His loyalty to Lonato is greater than his loyalty to Faerghus. He can't ever trust the church again.

Edel sounding weird post-timeskip does makes sense tho since in non-BE routes her worst traits are cranked up to eleven

Also it sounds like you were expecting her to turn pure good if you did her path which means you totally missed the point of her character entirely

Dimitri is blood thirsty though. That's his defining personality quirk.

Ignatz is a little preoccupied at the moment.

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He makes sensible decisions and basically wins in every route unless you decide to kill him in BE.

Grounder is the only battle that doesn't make any fucking sense, he'll engage Dimitri and say DUDE CALM DOWN I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT YOU while actively attacking you.

And it's funny because even though Edelgard's plot magic makes GD and BL fight despite having no reason to, Grounder is ALWAYS the decisive loss for her.

Even in the Church route where Seteth and you just decide to fish for the month

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I did go for a different cake myself though, although this one never has trouble getting married.

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All of Lorenz' endings are awesome.
>Teams up with Claude at political summits to form the Alliance/Almyra dream team
>Revolutionizes agriculture with Marianne and gets saddled with a nickname he hates doing it
>Greatly lengthens Lysithea's lifespan by putting her on a healthy diet and exercise regimen

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I like how Sothis, Rhea, and Byleth do the same gestures during their crit animations.

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The chance of this is 0.0043244%.
Absolutely fucking based archer.

>split group
>because of it I didn't kill the Death Knight
That's pretty much bullshit since the warps are trial and error for a blind playthrough

Thought they did pair ups pretty well all things considered, weapon system was something i was glad to see gone though.

I honestly didnt mind ninjas as much as i minded poison strike/grissly wounds.seal etc all happening just by being in combat, though admittedly it was fun to just make a tank corrin to go in and debuff everything while also taking off chunks of health

deepest lore

In GD he doesn't so much join the Empire as he's just a knight for a house that fights against the Alliance.

Was this guy supposed to be Ignatz?

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>write an impeccably evil character for 95% of the game
>throw in a total of like 5 lines of her acting out of character for the sole purpose of "salvaging" her withing her own route
>retards instantly eat that shit up and spend hours defending her despite the fact that all of her actions ultimately amount to the same thing regardless of the route

I am convinced that people who defend BE Edelgard are the same kind of faggots who felt bad for Chloe in LiS.

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Still not in the wrong for defending his country.

Eh, I just found it to be finicky. I was glad it didn't come back in Three Houses.

Wut

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yes, thats the generic replacement for Ignatz

Who the fuck plays the english dub and thinks Edelgard is supposed to not seem like she's clearly up to something?

Like people weren't actually fooled by the waifu act, right? RIGHT?

The Golden Deer folks keep me guessing since in my experience cynics that play dumb are either the best or worst type of people

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It could've worked if timeskip Claude was an opportunist and more of a dick without Byleth. Waiting out the kingdom and empire to weaken before taking them both on instead of "oops sorry teach, maybe we shouldn't fight :^)"

What the fuck do I spend my 4 activity points on. I already ate a meal and everyone's motivation is up. I'm in the Wyvern Moon. Chapter 5 or 6 or whenever the Battle of Eagle and Lion are.

Seethe more

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You completely misread what I wrote.

Cut conversations have Felix turning traitor because of his father's death and Dimitri apparently doesn't change for the better for it. He blames Dimitri for it and wants his blood for it. It makes sense, especially given that in these videos, Dimitri is still bloodthirsty as ever. And Felix no longer tolerates it. Or because he ends up being the edgy violent prone person he's portrayed as in BEs as a recruit.

Source: youtube.com/watch?v=iG35-BifhWI

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>not marrying him to annette

Why the way, why is the Empire's flag based on Albania's flag?

The double headed black eagles and all
Did the devs just look at this flag and go like "uh it looks pretty cool"

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Finished the BE route as my first run and was pretty disappointed. Which of the other routes should I play for max kino?

>The battle of the bridge was the decisive turning point in the great Fodlan war
>according to the historical records, the last words heard before Emperor Edelgard fell were
>LET ME PAINT YOU A PICTURE

Ignatz is a dexfag that wants to crit/lethality with a brave bow, and honestly is the only thing he's good at without taking steroids

>the writing is good in this game guys promise

FUCK

YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>a measly 3 point level up
>"I have ascended"
Yeah okay Rhea whatever you say

church sessions, faculty training, tournaments.

Goldeen deers

>Even in the Church route where Seteth and you just decide to fish for the month

I wish there was a Seteth/Gilbert/Alois/Hanneman boomer fishing trip.

I never expected him to be best boy.

lorenz is a great character until you realize he is a disgusting footfaggot

yeah bro Japan should have just kept the war going after the nukes instead of surrendering.

>Mfw Dimitri says "Kill every last one of them"

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How are they gonna bullshit Sothis into being playable in the DLC?

Is it bad that even after Edelgard was queen bitch in this route, I still wanted them to get together again, just like the good old days?

>fighting a lost cause
that is why he dies like a fucking retard in other routes

Rhea gives off every religious red flag you could possibly give off.

im sure theyll plant an outrealms somewhere in that wasteland of a monastery

What about this?

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I'm probably in the minority but I really don't like the battalion shit and hope it gets dropped, but what'll probably happen is they'll rework it for the next game like they did with Pair Up from the two 3DS entries.

Shove some CONTENT into the 5 year timeskip.

Looks fucking crusty as shit

i still don't get why people say they like this game

Didn't play English so I have no idea, but I just thought I'd add my experience on the Japanese version. It's not just what she says, it's her actual battle quotes and shit. She sounds unhinged somewhat. Like it's blatantly obvious once she has revealed herself, she is at best another flavor of evil.
Also when you complete her route there was nothing about a happy ending at all for the continent. But I haven't read all her paired ends or whatever. It just said she did reforms and shit, it didn't say the continent was actually objectively well off. I can't even remember if slitherers were actually defeated, it said Byleth would have to keep fighting in the shadows, not that they actually won. But don't quote me on the las tone.

Hopefully a routesplit before your dad dies so you get both him and Kronya in some bullshit manner

>rodrigue dies
>wtf im good boi now

No that's reserved for the next FE which will be the Thracia 776 to 3H's Geneology.

>This body has it's limits.
If she gets her memories back she can easily conjure up a new body.
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>Impeccably evil

user I know you’re used to typical FE stories which have comically black and white villains like Garon Validar and Jedah but come the fuck on.

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Oops you're right. Still, it arguably makes sense pre-timeskip as well considering her past, since realistically you can't get over that sort of shit without compromising some of your sanity

Also Hubert sounding and being your standard evil advisor is his main shtick. Even in English he gives heavy Snape vibes

So why and how was Nemesis and the 10 Elites even brought back? he just suddenly woke up with an entire army to try and kill Seiros and somehow the 10 Elites were there too? I know they actually sided with him during the war 1000 years ago and having to fight them as if it was like back then was hype as fuck but I think missed something

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>protecting yourself from the person trying to murder you is bad
Do you even think before posting?

If they can rebalance it like they did pair ups i think it could be a welcome addition, biggest problem with 3H combat in general is everythign is stacked on the players side outside of bosses if the AI had access to the same level/effectiveness of the gambits the player did i imagine the game would be a lot more difficult

Because its good?

>"I declare war on the church!"
>*invades Fearghus and Leicester*

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>Dancer
wewlad

...

>Did the devs just look at this flag and go like "uh it looks pretty cool"
this is the backstory behind almost every historical or mythological reference in fire emblem

>footfag
A footfag? What? Ridiculous! Lorenz Hellman Gloucester a footfag? The very idea-! There must be one who envies his position, who seeks to soil his sterling reputation with foul rumours. How crude.

Please user, it is beneath you to fall victim to such petty and obscene tactics. I implore you to take greater care in the future.

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Golden Deer. Claude and co. are pretty chill and their route does a better job at making you hate Rhea than in BE ironically enough

This is definitely one of the stupidest things that her retard supporters come out with.

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Dubstep technology froze him, the nobles are mindless zombies he can somehow command.

did you skip the cutscene?

>i declare war to the church and their allies
do you know how war works retard kun?

Unlike the Empire, one thing I liked is that Nohr at least had the pretense of poverty and a brutal land to justify expansionism, as well as constant border skirmishes between Nohr and Hoshido upping tensions and the latter fomenting rebellions both in and just outside Nohrian territory.

This doesn't forgive ISIS writing Nohr as laughably evil but there was some justification why your average commoner would be willing to risk their lives in an invasion of a foreign land.

In BE.....all commoner and noble characters alive just throw their lives away or in the service to tyranny because of Edelgard's vision.

Claude was defending his homeland and surrendered when defeated. Dimitri was defending his homeland and then didn't surrender when defeated because of his deluded rage.

He and the 10 elites were preserved by Agarthans and he woke up by detecting Seiros and Sothis in Shambhala, the rest of the supporting army was Agarthans as well. Its rushed writing.

i liked the friendship/partner/secondary class system a lot in fates

>comically black and white villains like Garon Validar and Jedah
Basically that's Edelgard though? Hell, some of those actually have better motivations than her, they are just loyally serving their crazy masters.

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>invades the HOLY KINGDOM of Faerghus where the Western Church is
>invades the Alliance where the Eastern Church is
>also wants to root out the crest system, which both the Kingdom and Alliance are built on
The Church of Seiros isn't exactly a state. The only land it holds itself is Garreg Mach.

>I declare war on the church
>kingdom protects said church
>WOW WTF WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING US

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I didnt hate Rhea in GD desu

>Also Hubert sounding and being your standard evil advisor is his main shtick.
I love having a party member that's just a generic hand wringing evil chancellor who's also a college frat boy.

>made sure to have meals between Claude/Hilda, Ignatz/Marianne, Lorenz/Leonie, and Raphael/Shamir
>epilogue winds up Claude/Lorenz, Hilda/Marianne, Raphael/Ignatz, Leonie/Shamir
goddammit I just wanted to play match maker and give each of my golden shits a fuck buddy

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The man known as Alliance General saved Fodlan in only a few arrows. Damn.

Yeah, ironically i feel like fates.awakening gave me more freedom in build making than 3H did when 3H doesnt really give you any limits on what you can do outside of gender locked classes.

Edelgard's route was clearly the least thought out one. Wouldn't even be surprised to find out that they wanted it to be a generic JRPG bad end route at one point before the game got as relatively big as it is atm.

it made eugenics emblem pretty fun too, trying to get children skills they cant get otherwise through parental friendships

Edelgard is a puppet doing what she believes is right while also being aware she is a puppet, but a lot of that is based on half-truths.

>Basically that's Edelgard though

It’s really not unless you’re being willfully blind to her background and that war was an inevitability thanks to TWSITD’s influence in general .

did you like that part where she removes your personality to make you sothis vassal?

Absolutely no character save for Ferdinand and Caspar have any reasons to leave their original house.

>Ashe should join the empire to avenge his father!

It's not exactly as if the kingdom was responsible for his death. And he doesn't even finds out the truth before the timeskip, when he was already knee deep in the kingdom.

Jedah still pisses me off. They had a perfectly good reason for him to do what he did, because he doesn't believe a land without gods is possible, but instead they made him a cartoonishly evil purple frogman (which also made Celica look like a bigger idiot than Rudolf) and didn't have him mention anything about that motivation until the final map.

So if the slithers had Grug this whole time, why didn't they bother to use him to take down the church and skullfuck Rhea?

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worse part is that he didn't look anything special in the original NES game, or in the Manga based on FE2.

they frogman'd him just for echos.

Yup, i hate anything to do with writing in fates/awakening, but they were fun to mess around and make silly unit builds

>Edelgard's route was clearly the least thought out one.
>not the fourth route which 95% of is just a copy-paste of Golden Deer but without Claude and less exposition.

Iktf, everyone except Ignatz and Lorenz got who I wanted them to because they wife swapped during the last battle for whatever reason. That said, it's probably better that Lysithea ended up with Lorenz after all because now she'll live longer

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>Can't recruit Gatekeeper and have him just use the generic faceless grunt outfit for every class
Apparently people have datamined stats, skills and an inventory for the fucker and everything. What the fuck are you doing, IS?

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hopefully in the 3rd floor after the timeskip. i think it's only used once to talk to cyrus.

That would need some heavy rewriting since BL at least tells you nothing about her other than she's Celica 2.0 gone horribly wrong

>Ferdinand
Honestly that moment El declared war seemed like the right moment to make him join your house since he'd have nothing to lose from defecting.

Don't forget his fucking voice, it was such a typical anime villian voice. I can still hear some of the lines.

What if GD was a copy paste of the Church route?

Haha damn you edeltards are something else ill give you that. Thats why she incites a coup, burns random villages and kills off their inhabitants and is taking over all territories cause shes fightin the church haha i get ya *wink* lol shes toooootally not a power hungry tyrant hiding her true motives behind a bunch of bullshit noble goals lmao for the poor right guys hahaha :^)

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No, but I cant be mad at her for wanting to bring her mom back. Byleth would also be dead if not for Rhea.

He has a face, but it doesn't matter much because he doesn't have hair to define him as more than generic helmet character

>Cut ending where Edelgard betrays you post BE and uses your name as a martyr and propaganda against the Church -or- Agarthans because she fears your growing fame among the Empire may make you a potential rival to the Imperial throne.

Would have been kino and drive home how ruthless she can be.

>Thats why she burns random villages

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Her information on the reality of Fodlan’s past is distorted greatly, partially due to Rhea’s own obfuscation and of the Hresvelg line. Of course, the ONE person who would have hard evidence to prove her otherwise is her sworn enemy.

It’s a fully intended source of dramatic irony that Rhea’s own lies are what lead to the creation of someone like Edelgard

Felix hates blind obedience, the empire is absolutely full of that. He has no reason to defect to the empire. He also says his philosophy is not waddling in self pity or revenge

Gameplay is piss easy, and full of RNG. The only time i ever came close to losing was because of missing, not difficulty.
There's only 4 events for girls you want to romance, dating sims usually have more or go way more into detail.
Most of the girls designs look terrible in comparison to the guys.
Music is okay but nothing to take home over.
The only thing the game has going for it is the story, even then there's instances where it's just poorly done. Like in the OP where all three houses are meants to fight it out where it doesn't make sense to get confused in a battle field that large. Things like Jeralts death feel poorly planned out. etc.

It's medicore

things that only happen if you join the BE for 500.

>being willfully blind to her background
The Fell Dragon Grima was also a test subject, does that mean he's morally grey?

I can give you that but almost every character in the empire frat, except for Hubert, was written to side with church after Edelgard does her shit. Siding with her was clearly supposed to be the "wrong" choice.

based and Endsieg pilled

That's FE in a nutshell.

People like sacred stones and gaiden, but that does not imply that they are good games

That’s just hilariously disingenuous.

They aren't that much worse from the "good" games. The series is just mediocre in general.

Why would those 2 defect?

>The Fell Dragon Grima was also a test subject
proofs?

I thought SS was one of the better games?

Help please
How do I choose who is going to end up with? Is it whoever has the highest support with each other?

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hard to control the greatest tutorial bandit

how do people find this shit? This is really cool. I see why they cut it though, you'd have to go 5 chapters without two of your potentially best units (assuming they didn't have a way to re-recruit them)

>Catherine entirely bummed out
One of the few saving graces of BE is seeing her loyalty to a fault

A supports, if multiple A supports it picks whoever is highest on the closest allies list if they have endings

This absolves edelgard of all her war crimes and atrocities

Yeah yeah we know every fire emblem game is trash and thats why its so popular

You're forgetting some of them still side with Edelgard in other routes than BE regardless.

Granted in those routes the context involving their recluitment is helluva different to the point Edel sees them more as pawns than former friends (Edelgard burning Bernie in the Gronder Battle anyone?)

Convincing background does not make an evil character any more "grey". It may feel like it should but character's morality (or lack of it) and reasoning behind it are two completely separate things.

>gameplay is full of RNG

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Check closest allies in their roster profiles. If you're paranoid, only A-rank those you want to end up together, otherwise you can spam meals with the couples and not deprive yourself of some good A-rank cutscenes

Edelgard chooses to be led like a puppet despite having every chance in the world to turn to people who actually want to help her. She leads those who trust her into her own foolish, poorly planned war that she is fated to lose (the fact that she survives in the one route where God smites all of her enemies doesnt make up for what happens in the others) where she was a mere sacrificial pawn for the slitherer master plan to finally kill the last of those pesky dragons.

She isn't even a good villain. She's that one overconfident red king/general you kill halfway through the main story that thinks shes the one in charge, before the black mage with the evil cult, the actual villain we discuss, reveals himself.

Do you know what sacred stones, echoes and 3h have in common?
Spoilers: they are casual bait and people ignore the gameplay flaws because of it

GD was good though

It might have almost been as bad as Fates.

Maybe not full of but that's the only reason you'd ever lose or come close to losing in this game.
It's those special tiles that increase avoidance and other stats, I missed 5 times on a single enemy.

to be fair the kingdom has many things to be against the empire

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Alright thanks bros

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edelbros...

Edelgard’s proposed reforms to the caste system fly in the face of Ferdinand’s philosophy and personal values and she also seized his land and assets during her coup. He lost everything.

Caspar has a massive justiceboner and doesn’t approve of going to war with the Alliance and Kingdom after hundreds of years of shared cooperation.

Is this Claude's best ending? Because I think so.

Thabes Labyrinth, the postgame dungeon of Echoes, covers the story of the Fallen City Thabes, from FE1 and 3, and the creation of Grima, the main villain of FE13.

>Edelgard's autism drove a dragon mad.
How can one lobster do it?

Caspar's father is the most evil lord in the empire, directly responsible for several genocides and wars. Caspar isn't a bad person though so he has no reason to stick with that. Ferdinand's family is stripped of its title and main function in the empire, because Edelgard assumes immediate control.

I'd say that Dorothea has no reason to remain with the empire either, but then I remembered that she's extremely power hungry and would probably stay to get dicked by an empire noble after the war

Dude there isnt a single fe that isnt casual. Fe is not some hardcore series full of complex strategies or tons of complicated mechainics. Its a fucking slow paced basic math game with anime men and waifus. Thats what it started as and thats what it will be till the series dies

His ending with Lorenz is his best ending.

>Kingdom
>3 kings dead in 1 decade
Holly fuck

>gameplay flaws
Echoes has no flaws, you are just used to the flaws of the other games and get upset by the idea of things such as a map with a house that fliers cannot bypass, archers that do not suck massive shit, and map designs that do not favor cavalry over all other units.

>eat the gummies Lisythea

Dorothea despises nobles too though.

True, as an assasin he was doing very nice work being an evasive tank and killed most thing that weren't generals.

He doesn't have retarded growth like Felix or the Lords but he's usable.

I really wonder what do you guys think casual even means.

FE has never been a casual franchise, in fact even these last games aren't casual, which is why they literally have a mode labeled casual for the casuals that play the.

Most FE games aren't particularly hard, true, but that's for people who actually play fucking games, not casuals. SS is trash but I've even heard of casuals that actually had trouble with it.

So you can keep your fap bait, I just want that feeling that I have to put everything in my favor that I can in order to stand a chance. I don't like the feeling style of UNGA SEND ALL MY UNITS THAT ARE 8X STRONGER THAN BAD GUYS.

I think he means that no one actually loses units because people always reset their systems if they did.

Echoes has huge ass empty maps and some really unbalanced shit (some of them carry overs from the original Gaiden, some of them new).

It's a decent game but it's not flawless either. It's also easy as fuck.

She still wants to marry one to secure financial stability and status

>Echoes has huge ass empty maps
>my favorites are Fe4 and thracia 776

It's the beginning of Doom, but if Doomguy was Broly, and Seiros was Kakarot.

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Dimitri:
>Dead mother
>Dead father
>Dead uncle
>Dead friends
>His stepmother didn't love him
>Having a crazy childhood friend
>Condemned falsely
>Your best friend is dead
>Pursued for 5 years
>Dimitri suffers from ageusia and survivor's guilt

Just because the devs label something as casual/hardcore doesn't mean the game isn't casual.

The game isn't even designed to actually lose units. There's no reactions from other characters towards someone's death. Not even Seteth reacts to Flayn being obliterated by bolgabon. The only FE game where the death of random characters mattered was path of radiance

Thracia doesn't have huge empty maps, but it's not my favorite either.

You forgot
>sees and hears the ghosts of his dead friends and family 24/7 berating him for not having spilled enough blood to avenge them
It's a miracle the dude can even still form a coherent sentence, let alone fight alongside his old school buddies