What the fuck was his problem?

The Dragon probably takes the next best thing and uses the Arisen's hometown or family for the deal.
Or the Dragon just tells the Arisen "Ay bruv, you sure you wanna do this? It's gonna be nasty if you lose."

that's what happen to the the Dragonforged is it not? the old arisen that live in the cave

Is it? A lot of his situation was left unknown

What's the most fun vocation? For me, it's strider and assassin.

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Just following the cycle, as was the Arisen.

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Ranged classes are certainly a blast to play since you can easily lay damage on weakspots and flying enemies.

That being said, landing Perfect Blocks as a Mystic Knight is a FANTASTIC feeling.
>Cast Thunder Riposte
>Walk into the Shadow Fort
>Watch a ballista bolt fly at you from the far side of the courtyard
>Perfect Block and laugh at the lightning-charred gobbo corpse

Can we assume the Arisen we play as is the only actual person to beat the Dragon and become Seneschal? Edmund bitched out and we can assume Godking Leonart did the same in exchange for uniting the continent and building his empire.

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I used to really love sorcerer. My first playthrough was pretty much all sorcerer. Then I explored other vocations and it's hard to go back. So, it's probably strider. Some cool utility skills (ensnare is so underrated), and climbing is the most fun way to kill something.

He's you.

he was an arisen that failed to kill god

Slave to a broken order.

Grigori was the dragon at least before Savan was the Seneschal. If the whole Ashe thing happened in the same world it would have been before Grigori (as Grette was the dragon at the time), but it's more likely Daimon spawned from another world entirely (most likely a dead one now).

The dragonforged fought the dragon, hence his name. Obviously he lost.

Savan (the dude you play as in the tutorial) is the first seneschal you fight. He obviously did it.

He was a slave to a broken order.

>warrior tree end up with you having a two handed weapon and half the buttons
>mages have neat powers but you need to stand still for hours to spit out anything
>strider and assassin are fucking FAST, made to climb big monsters and can be melee or ranged
and mystic knight only has his flying testicle to make up for the lack of originality

Who gets to be the Dragon once you've beaten the Seneschal and taken his place ?

Am I the only one thinking the whole Seneschal plotline is stupid as fuck ? It's practically an edgier Dark Souls cycle because once you're bored of your job you basically order the deaths of many until your successor is found. And then his only choice are either to sacrifice is love, try to take your job, or see his country being ravaged by monsters (and in one ending you turn him into the biggest monster). No wonder Daimon was pissed

If the Seneschal fails to do his job the world falls apart. Would you rather send out a dragon to kill a bunch of people that eventually would die anyway to find someone with the drive to take your place or just let everyone and everything under your care cease to exist?

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Is there any lore surrounding the Brine? Is it related to the cycle fuckery?

Not much, more than likely it was introduced so they didn't have to deal with swimming or making boundaries in the ocean. Would be neat if they let you swim a little bit rather than hitting a certain depth in any water anywhere and getting brine'd.

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The fuckers. I wanted to swim and fight water monsters.

That makes no sense. Your weapons Dragonforge when you kill a dragon, not lose to it. He fought and beat grigori with bare fists hence the steeled limbs.
Well thats my headcanon

Wishlist for the upcoming Dragon's Dogma 2?

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He was trapped in the cruel, unending ring.

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>Grigori was the dragon at least before Savan was the Seneschal.
Nah, that's not how it works. You become the dragon if you lose to the Seneschal, in order for more Arisen to be created and possibly succeed him. Grigori was an Arisen like yourself that fought the Seneschal, Savan, and lost.

>reinstall after not touching DD:DA for almost a year
>character is hanging around in Gran Soren
>no quests active
>can't remember what I was doing before uninstalling
>can't start anew without losing everything
I know how to copy saves and all, but I want to keep my current character. They're Lv197 so I at least want to get to 200.

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His arms are permanently burned by the Dragon's fire since he lost; if he had beaten Grigori then why would he still be running around destroying peasant fishing villages? If he was capable of beating the Dragon then why would he hang around in a fucking cave giving you cryptic advice? If he used his bare fists then why was a broken spear prominently on display?
Furthermore, it's established that when you beat the Dragon and your heart is restored, you lose your immortality, which is why the Dragonforged turns to dust.

I initially thought yellow vocations were the best, and Strider is still a strong #2 for me, but my last playthrough I finally learned how to play Sorcerer as more than just a big, long cast-time nuker and it was a fucking blast.

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>finished Gran Soren map (this includes going to the moon)
>improve upon character creation
>expand upon the Brine, perhaps focus the plot around it, make the main baddy a sea dragon / Leviathan
>remove gender and class restrictions on clothing
>fuck off with the time sink bosses
>make escort NPCs respond to commands so I don't have to keep picking them up and throwing them away from danger
>romance-able Pawns

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I wish Grigori was my beloved.

Daimon was pissed specifically because of his unique situation where he had to choose between slaying the Dragon (who had been his lover/mother figure as an Arisen) or allowing his beloved to be killed (who was his new lover). It was a fucked up situation and that's why he cursed the whole thing. Typically an Arisen would at least lean one way or the other when confronted with the dragon/beloved choice regardless of their character but Daimon had only downsides to pick from.

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>He fought and beat grigori with bare fists hence the steeled limbs.
Grigori still has his heart, he couldn't have possibly beaten him you wingnut.

>If he used his bare fists then why was a broken spear prominently on display?
He used his fists BECAUSE his spear broke you fucking brainlet good lord.

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His bosesight was kino

would co-op/multiplayer ruin dragons dogma?

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It worked well enough in DDO, though it did really overshadow the pawns. Maybe limit it to only 2-player co-op.

DDO say that coop/multiplayer would be the best.

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Savan kills his dragon then becomes the seneschal. Now there is no dragon. If there is no dragon there can be no arisen. If there are no arisen there cannot be a new dragon. Solution? Bring back the old one. The seneschal has that power. Dare you look upon the truth?

IIRC the lore is that your weapons are forged by dragon's fire, which is why it happens at low rates against standard dragons but happens 100% when you beat -the- Dragon. Just one of those mechanics don't line up with the lore because gameplay reasons.

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Savan kill the dragon and the old Seneschal.

>ow there is no dragon. If there is no dragon there can be no arisen. If there are no arisen there cannot be a new dragon. Solution? Bring back the old one. The seneschal has that power.

No, a dragon only born when an Arisen fail to defeat the Seneschal and fall trough the sky gate.

>O! How I have seen the Dragon's Dogma!

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Yeah, that makes sense. The seneschal demonstrates total control over the rift anyway when you creates that perfect copy of you during the fight.

I'd personally like to see them adapt DMC5's cameo system, so you could potentially stumble across fellow Arisen in the wilderness or in dungeons. It's a random player, but you'd be encouraged to travel together for safety or team up to fight strong monsters.

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Start a new game in Hard mode

Not that guy but that doesn't mean Grigori was the Dragon before Savan was Seneschal. Grigori could have beaten the previous Dragon and then became the new one after fighting Savan.

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>4 man party
>2 players and each player brings a pawn
that would be cool

There can be more then one Arison. In the game there's the Duke, the cave guy, and the loli witches "grandma" they were all Arisons within the same time frame

And how does an Arisen fight the Seneschal if there is no dragon to create a new Arisen in the first place? Heed the zealot's lesson well.

I'm already in Hard Mode. Only option I have is Speedrun Mode, but I don't remember all that much and I won't be able to save, not to mention I won't get gold or exp.

switch it to normal then switch it back to hard works iirc

The game goes with who ever you have the most affinity with, and it's not possible to play the game without building some affinity.

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I don't know, but I hope DD2 touches on it. There's that one secret area in Dripstone Cave that leads out into the ocean, and it's just so tantalizing. Fuck, I wanna explore the ocean. Give me a boat. Let me fight pirates (bandits) and krakens and alluring sirens and whatever else.

And what happened to them when Grigori died?

>Unbound by time, all-binding, grand design!
Main theme is absolute kino, as is the main Coils of Light theme for the DLC.

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That's why you get insta 100% affinity with the new King bitch.

Duke gets a new skin called dried plum, Gandma is dead so and Dragonforged goes to sand town

Wait, I think I can switch the difficulty downward in-game, can't I?

The game itself tells you that he lost, did you even talk to him? Not only that but he doesn't have his heart so he couldn't have taken it back from the dragon.

Despite how awesome magic and climbing is, I had the most fun playing Fighter. It feels way more technical than the other classes because you get to wade right into the enemy's face and time blocks and bashes. Nothing feels better than perfect FUCK YOU blocking a leaping Chimera.

Magick Archer is so good I want a whole game just focused on some guy who has these kind of powers exploring and delving into dungeons
You're limited by skills which is the biggest fuck, but you have a skill for every situation.
Can imagine breaking down into some giant cavern, firing a flare into the air to light it up and then jumping down into it
It's definitely the most fun to play but it doesn't really shine until Bitterblack Isle, especially with the bonus rings to buff some of your skills to Tier 3
Assassin was fun as fuck until they nerfed half of its shit in Dark Arisen, but you just can't beat torporing one of those big fucking gorecylopse and then gouging him in the fucking eye with an ice infused weapon

It still gives me goosebumps whenever you go outside at night and the game softly goes:
>Land and skies, and seas yearn,
>Finish the cycle of eternal return.

That's what they're saying. If you try to switch back to hardmode when you're already in the middle of a run it'll prompt you that you'll have to start from the beginning, but with all your stuff and experience intact.

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you said reinstall so i assume you're on PC
the main quest literally takes like an hour to speedrun, why don't you do that with your overlevelled character?
failing that just use a trainer to speedhack your way through it or something, noclip through walls to the final confrontation, whatever

Thank you.

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I didn't learn until like my third time through the game that red vocations could pin down enemies the way pawns do by holding the grab button. Made Fighter WAY more fun to play, especially with a strider pawn backing me up.

Gilber Gottfried.

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Now finish the cycle of eternal return, user

>Strider/Longbow etc have a huge advantage fighting flying enemies
>The mage/warrior could have had the same advantage fighting sirens (harpy reskinned) in rivers/shallow water
>Kraken-type boss in the Watergod's altar that slowly pulls you to the brine, like the Hydra slowly eating you

Why didn't they do this?

The game cut too much content so mostly was Capcom fault in this.

Some of the missions feel only made in half like the lore.

No one will measure up to Grigori so I'd rather have a female dragon this time, like Daimon had.

>could have had this
Also don't forget going to the moon and having real multiplayer.

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Damn, that's a beautiful drawing, sauce? I love the game's art, the first ending ones, made in the style of tapestries, hnnnngh. But I'm too much of a brainlet to find them

>tfw it goes on infinitely because you can't kill the enemy
youtube.com/watch?v=OTNfuztCMgM

>some faggot wolf with 1 hp runs away and you can't find it
>combat music never ends

This is why maelstrom was invented.

tony jay

The moon? fuck, it sounds stupid enough to be awesome, particularly within the lore's shennanigans.
I really want DD2 to be this and much more, like the leap in quality/fame of Demon's Souls to Dark Souls.

There was a ton of planned content that never made it in.

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There's an image floating around of production slides, and it was showing all the parallel worlds connected by the everfall, but it also showed the moon with a note that the moon was shared between all of the different worlds and would be a higher level place to explore and potentially a hub for human players.

Nearly all of that was made in DDO

If they do DD2 only want one thing... the Hook from DDO for Striders/Assassins.

It's been half a decade. I don't remember many of the important bits. Plus it was my headcanon for the longest time as i said

Old, but still applicable.
I might tweak some of the ideas a bit, but that's basically it.

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Mystic Knight is the most fun I've had so far. Getting the right setups to effortlessly plow through NG+ Bitterblack Isle is too much fun.

(You)

Too bad 95% of the original concepts are discarded because of how unfeasible it is to implement them all. In the end we are left with barebones which could have been something much greater

>5v5 Sorcerer battle
It'd just be 10 fully charged Grand Maelstroms going off at once, change my fucking mind

>If the Seneschal fails to do his job the world falls apart
But the world doesn't end if you choose the godsbane ending? How does a new Seneschal/Dragon get chosen if there's no one there to offer the choice?

Anyone who has actually played sorc knows it'd be nothing but holy focused bolt spam.

considering DDO goes offline in december they might as well not have done it at all

>But the world doesn't end if you choose the godsbane ending?
You're still there in NG+ regardless.

I want them to make it a little more like Monster Hunter. Take the combat and focus it more, make it cleaner and more polished and more technical, make enemies more fluid as well.

This is the real tragedy. Worst decision I ever made, playing Sorc exclusively.

Can't remember where but I'm pretty sure it's somewhere in the game. I feel like it was on a loading screen.

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Sorc is still really fun even if HFB is busted. Every vocation has one super strong skill that you have no reason not to spam at all times but exploring the rest of their kit is where the good stuff is.

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>thunder riposte
>not boltstorm feint

>Anyone who has actually played sorc knows it'd be nothing but holy focused bolt spam.
>DD2 arena battle with sorcerers
>looks like something out of a Star Wars space-battle scene
I'm okay with this.

Isn't NG+ technically non-canon tho? Seeing as both you and your main pawn are still occupying their own bodies?

t. never going to accomplish anything in life

The seneschal is able to create a clone of your Arisen from the rift in a cutscene during his boss fight so there's no reason why he couldn't just make another pawn identical to his original one.

I really need to do an all sorcerer party at some point.

The world doesn't fall apart, it just invalidates free will. Without the Seneschal, everything is just a Chinese room. Input in, input out, no will, no choice, no volition.

So, lorewise, what does stabbing yourself with Godsbane actually do?

I couldn't make myself play Mystick Knight all the way to BBI so I wouldn't know anything about Boltstorm Feint. Something about the vocation just didn't click with me and Great Cannon's auto-targeting annoyed me.
I think I'll try playing Assassin next, see how that works out.

OHHHHHH

Now you have seen the Dragon's Dogma.

- Bigger map with more cities.

- Better NPCs to make the cities feel more alive and less robotic.

- A character creator at least as good and permissive as the first game's: I ABSOLUTELY want to be able to create loli and shota characters just like in the first game. We need more hairstyles, and the character's faces should look more neutral (characters in the first game look like variations of Gackt).

- Some new original classes.

- More interiors to visit in the open map (more caves, dungeons, abandonned houses and castles, just like in the elder scrolls).

>But the world doesn't end if you choose the godsbane ending
You sure about that? The ending is relatively vague as to what exactly happens. It seems your pawn becomes (You) and lives out their life in your place, but we have no idea what happens to a world without a Seneschal, only that the cycle tries to keep that from happening. Without someone to guide in the creation of new life does that world face oblivion once everyone has lived out their lives?

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Part One

I had a good amount of fun shooting HFB through walls. It was fun to be OP after playing hours of Fighter years back

Oh boy. So the idea behind the godsbane is that it's the only weapon capable of killing a god. Which the seneschal is, sort of. So in game you stabbed yourself and your dead body fell back to Earth or the world has the game call it. You imprint on your Pawn completely and your Pawn gets to live out its life as you, same as Selene. That's the obvious.

The interesting part is when you cycle through New Game Plus offline. You go back to the throne of God and you're still there. Exactly the same as the day you arrived. The implication here is that the cycle is truly unbreakable. You're one gambit to break free didn't work and you're still mandated to stay there overlooking the world until a new Arisen shows up. It's also implied that Savan tried it's the same thing. He pulls the godsbane from his chest and gives it to you. The same way you pulled a godsbane from your chest and gives it to the next arisen. Your attempts to break the cycle only reinforces it. And no one even knows why the cycle exist in the first place.

Which is a pretty fatalistic ending for a Capcom game

ya know, I just realized that the whole "fight the dragon for you love" thing really rings hollow on a meta level when you lose them in the end no matter what.

I feel like you're conflating the pawns with the Seneschal guiding the creation of new life. If only the Seneschal can determine free will, then why bother with a system to determine the next Seneschal? He should just create one and be done with it.

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>we have no idea what happens to a world without a Seneschal, only that the cycle tries to keep that from happening. Without someone to guide in the creation of new life does that world face oblivion once everyone has lived out their lives?
Actually we do get some Snippets of information on what a world without a seneschal looks like. The seneschal is to humans what pawns are to the arisen. The seneschal gives will and life for humans to exist. Take that away and all of humanity becomes like the abandoned Pawns. Just a bunch of Lost Souls that don't know what to do with each other until they start attacking everything randomly. I'm paraphrasing here but the seneschal says at the world in all of its denizens are nothing but empty vessels, no different than the Pawns.

This makes it clear that the relationship between the Arisen and the pawns are practice for when an Arisen takes the reins of humanity, its important. If that goes away then you're going to end up with something like the everfall where everything is dead other than monsters and people who have either given up or have gone crazy. You actually see shades of this in game with every other NPC remarking that they know they should run away from the Dragon but they don't have the strength to do anything. Mid-battle the seneschal will say that they've become extremely tired too and that the world grows cold for it. The world is already on the brink by the time you get there.

Yes I have spent months talking to every single NPC in the game learning as much as I could about a story no one gives a shit about, how did you know?

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Sheesh, where do I even begin?

I played through the game several times but really only went out of my way to talk to minor NPCs on my last playthrough. I was shocked at how much dialogue changes as you progress through the plot.

>He should just create one and be done with it.
It doesn't work that way. The point is to find someone who has the will to overcome everything on their own. The seneschal has no control over that.

>Along the endless string of life and death, there are some born with a hunger. They yearn for some other, better place. They are the Arisen, nascent fountainheads of will. And so the dragon is sent into the world to guide the Arisen, and refine them. To temper their wills into aught capable of sustaining the world. And so the cycle of our world has e'er continued.

There's actually a lot to seneschal doesn't know. The seneschal doesn't know why the cycle exists. Seneschal can't even access the other worlds that pawns access freely. He only knows about it through word-of-mouth of the Pawns. It seems to be setting up a future story about who put the cycle in place in the first place that we'll never actually get

So basically stabbing yourself with Godsbane is the ultimate culmination of the cycle instead of an attempt to break it?

You're not fighting the Dragon to save them though, they're just there as a test to see if you have the mettle to become the Seneschal by not punking out and taking the easy way out of fighting the Dragon by taking the bargain. By not taking the bargain you're telling Grigs you're down to fight him to keep Gransys from getting further smashed by him rather than sacrifice a person for peace and prosperity.

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The wind was pushing him.

Can anyone give a really basic rundown of the plot of DD please? I beat it a long time ago and I don't really remember what the deal with the seneschal was. I also never beat bitterblack so what's that about?

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I don't get what's so bad about the whole rigamarole with the Seneschal. It rewards exceptionally brave and ambitious people and lets them ascend to the top, kickstarts the world again, lasts for a few centuries before things start to burn out or whatever and then it all starts over, what's the problem?

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Troy baker but he's not allowed to do his generic voice.

I meant a different arisen and purely a story perspective
I know the mechanic in game but what if there was an arisen who was a loner that didn't care for anyone else? Or what if they loved some woman but she died to a gryphon one day?

Basically God doesn't want to be God anymore, and so he puts together a grand trial for humans to work their way up and slay him, inevitably replacing him with themselves in the process.

I really wish the game put more focus on the NPC's. Because there is a ludicrous amount of Side Stories and things going on that never gets any attention because who cares about the NPCs? My favorite one is probably Fidel's wife, Dominique. She hangs out in the second story of Duke Edmunds Castle. While Fidel has you tracking down documents in a cave, if you visit Dominique she actually remark that she finds your drive to succeed to be sexy and even has every intention on starting an affair with you because she thinks that you're gunning for the throne. Visit her after Grigori blows up the stone of the North and you'll see that she's actually given in to fear lost all will to go on and starts begging for Grigory to burn everything down her included.

There's a guy in Gran Soren who is actually convinced that you're lying about being an Arisen and that you paid a bunch of idiots to pretend to be your Pawns.

There's a homeless guy who actually fell into the rift before and saw part of the truth of the world. He used to work for the castle until he started talking about what he saw and everyone called him crazy.

>the world in all of its denizens are nothing but empty vessels, no different than the Pawns
If that were true then how does one of them become an Arisen? Why is there a test that many fail before a suitable replacement is determined?

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This would have been an amazing if the affinity mechanic worked. Should have allowed the player to add people to their party to solidify who they like the most.

If I was the Seneschal nothing could stop me from banging Madeleine literally until the end of time

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And in BBI an Arisen decides to fuck his Dragonfu which breaks literally everything and turns him into a demon and made whoever administrates all this shit implement new rules so it doesn't happen again.

Would you stay invisible?

this is a near perfect summation of the core story

I also want to point out that the B plot is that the current Duke lied about killing the dragon to get his throne and basically you send you out on a bunch of suicide missions to hopefully kill you before you find out what actually happened. All this is happening while he's completely ignoring the fact that half his court is trying to betray him because he's a shit king that does nothing but throw parties and kill his wives.

They probably wouldn't even care enough to challenge the Dragon in the first place. Look at Barroch, he's content to spend his immortality furthering his alchemy and gathering rare ingredients in BBI.

>I know the mechanic in game but what if there was an arisen who was a loner that didn't care for anyone else?
This sort of happens in Game. Although they never explored it. Barroch is in an Arisen who took his immortality and fucked off to bitterblack Isle where he can basically live forever selling off the gear of all the Travelers who died there. It doesn't say what happened to his world after he left.

I think I would appear as a solid gold statue, that would be her ideal man.

Actually what the hell happened to Barooch's dragon anyways? When you killed your Dragon the Duke and the Dragonforged and anybody else that was still immortal because of Grigori turned to dust or aged, but not Barroch.

This game was so ambitious. If only it could get a second chance with the same passion and the budget it needs

Is the old loading screen until they put that fucking ugly thing in Dark Arisen

She'd break its dick off and sell it.

>Create several Madeleine out of thin air

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Is Barroch from another world? I just assumed he was an Arisen from a long time ago, like the Dragonforged. I also just assumed that if the Arisen fails or does nothing, eventually the dragon finds someone else, as their can be more than one Arisen knocking round at a time. (Arisen is just a title for someone with a strong will, really.)

How?

Is the first time I saw the pawn sync to do anything.

So slaying the dragon qualifies you to become god?

It's random. Most of the people who live in the world are dependent on the seneschal to give them something to do or something to live for. Those who are candidates for Arisen are those that don't need the seneschal to give them will. They have it all on their own. Those are the people that the dragon look for. But just having will isn't enough which is why the vast majority of those who become Arisen end up just dying before they ever make it to the Dragon. But if you take a person with an Iron Will and the strength to see it through and you refine it into something Unbreakable then that person is truly capable of becoming the god of the world. Which is necessary because anyone who can take the Throne of the seneschal is probably going to be there for a very long time and the world is dependent on having a person who can hang on to the crushing loneliness and monotony of the job without breaking.

Will it be shit?

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Bitch I'm leaving her a golden dick every morning for a present. I can make as many new dicks as I want.

>The point is to find someone who has the will to overcome everything on their own. The seneschal has no control over that.
That's exactly my point. If people require a Seneschal around to have free will then they pretty much don't have free will. Their will exists only as an extension of some other beings' power. The point is that the Seneschal keeps the lights on as it were. Sure the world doesn't cease to exist once they are gone, but it is probably doomed to fizzle out since there's no one cranking the generator.

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Ignore me, I hadn't thought about him not getting DUSTED when you kill Grigori.

>AND THAT'S THE ARISTOCRATS ARISEN!

Everything from bitterblack isle is from various worlds. Even the monsters there used to be arisen that were just transformed by the evil and hatred of the island after they died.

This was Ashe's way of breaking the cycle. Which still wouldn't have worked but as far as attempts go I suppose making an island out of butthurt that lure people to their deaths is a pretty decent method.

I'm still just a bit confused that it exists.

>A harem of Madelaines to fuck whenever you so please
>never tire out due to having literal God-tier stamina
I do believe I like the way you think, Anons.

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How the fuck do I keep Ser Robert alive during Shadow Fort with World Difficulty installed?

Slaying the Dragon is the summation of your journey of making an unbreakable will. The dragon is supposed to be the apex of power in the world. So if you can kill that and nothing can stop you.

You're 100% correct here. The only thing I was arguing is that the seneschal can't just make someone with the will necessary to take his throne. He can only keep creating life and hope that one randomly pops up among all the Muggles. It's like trying to breed the perfect Pokemon without any of the breeding tools and relying 100% on RNG.

No, actually. Fucking around in the Everfall long enough to open a super portal to god's chair and then killing god qualifies you to become god. The only thing slaying the dragon qualifies you for is staying human. You see Arisen that died while fighting the dragon were turned into Drakes, Wyverns, and Wyrms. Arisen that died while fighting the Seneschal were turned into Dragons. Only Arisen that killed the Seneschal became Seneschal themselves.

This is why post-Dragon you can fight the special Drake, Wyvern, and Wyrm that have confused dialog wondering why they're there and why they're not human.

You got it. Pretty depressing when you think about it

I think Dragon's Dogma has a really underrated cast of characters. It's small due to the smallness of the world, but all the characters you meet via story quests or the major sidequests such as Selene are interesting and fleshed out. Mercedes is one of my favorite female characters in video games in general, and each of the game's main antagonists (Julien, Edmun, Grigori, Savan) are interesting characters, with the exception being Salvation itself (though they exist almost as a bait and switch given their leader's fate at Grigori's hands).

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Who else got bored after the third playthrough?

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Netflix ruins almost every anime project they put money into so yes most likely.

Capcom hasn't had a single good adaptation, but the Netflix castlevania was decent. And they have a good story to work with.

My guess is that this is just live action.
I would be surprised if it was animated
I would be fucking stoked if it was made with puppets

I'm still playing like the first day like DkS. Good games are those who keep you playing and playing for long time.

Kengan Asura is good.

>but the Netflix castlevania was decent

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This, they'd make some brown female pawn but not include Mercedes at all.

>I would be fucking stoked if it was made with puppets

Now I want this

Read the manga to see how completely wrong you are.

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>Wyrmbro
>"A strange trick of fate to meet a fellow countryman"
>"Am I to die?"
>"The seat of god lies beyond"
RIP wyrmbro

It was okay retard. Haven't seen the second season though.

You're too optimistic, I doubt they'll even include pawns in the first place. It's too confusing a subject for casual TV audiences.

Then don't talk, the second season was complete shit

The special dragons are pretty interesting actually. The Drake seems confused as to what even happened to him. The Wyvern is a psychopath that only wants to kill things and actually thinks very little of you. While the Wyrm seems to know his place in things and urges you to press on.

No, your character is there to save them. He/she doesn't know about the seneschal shit yet. Makes it a kind of sick joke.

I wanted to see more Mason

The first season was pretty good. The second season ruined all my hype for the series. The pacing grinded to a halt until the last two episodes where suddenly everything was on a bullet train to the end.

Which falls into their classes perfectly. The Drake was a Fighter, not smart enough to keep his mind in tact but still heroic enough to fight it. The Wyvern was a Strider who gave herself up to the animal instincts completely. The Wyrm was a Mage who kept his mind solid.

I planned to after watching the first three episodes and liking them. Is the pacing fucked or something? CG is CG but I've seen much worse, and there's some 2D sequences that have cool visual styles.

Maybe I'll start sooner than later. Sekibayashi was /myguy/ immediately so experiencing his fight with Ohma again in the manga will only bring good things.

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The second season is always shit for anime you grognik

We don't know, and it doesn't really matter since BBI is it's own little conglomeration of multiple separate worlds. Barroch's from a different reality than yours.

>Most of the people who live in the world are dependent on the seneschal to give them something to do or something to live for
So what kind of instructions is he handing out to these people?

>Thunderbolt Fantasy but Dragon's Dogma

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Space Dandy S2 has some of the best episodes in its run.

What the FUCK was his problem?

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>the guy who did the soundtrack for Kill la Kill and Thunderbolt Fantasy doing a soundtrack for Dragon's Dogma

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It's very fucked. It's like a better animated berserk 2016/2017.

Sweet Lord, things I never knew I wanted until now

Mercedes is a sad story. A female who wants to be a knight you think that she would be the most prolific character in the story. But it's actually the opposite, the vast majority of the characters in game hope that she fails and give her shit whenever they can. And the ones that aren't antagonizing her just don't care about her at all. She's picked on all the time for even trying and it's forced to spend her days trying to keep her unit in line and her nights getting drunk trying to forget the day. Even her father at home doesn't care about her. But the thing that puts a bow on all of it is that she never gets her moment. Her big centerpiece story ends in failure 100% of the time. Either the "villainous" Julian will kick her ass or you will do her job for her reinforcing that she's incapable of being a real Knight. And no matter what she has to walk home just a big her father to send real actual help instead of her. And the whole thing is just so sad.

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I like his soundtracks but I do not want any rap. I dont even dislike rap but the dude's go to rapper is fucking awful.

It was a rhetorical statement pointed to the idea that people are "empty vessels" just like pawns, so as long as you disagree with that you're arguing with the wrong person.

>think Grigori's cool
>his language is cool
>he is enigmatic and seems like he's lived for eons
>Nevermind, he's just a dumpy human that was too shit to properly complete the awful finale.
>Btw he you if you also fuck up.

I hate cyclical stories

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DEEPEST LORE
Did Dragons dogma even sell well compared to DmC and MonHun?

>I would be fucking stoked if it was made with puppets
THE LAND IS CLOAKED IN DEEPEST BLUE

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dangerously redpilled

>he's a shit king that does nothing but throw parties and kill his wives
He really needs to learn to budget. Or someone on his council does. We need some new roads.

That's why you put a ring on her finger and dick her down

What I want from DD2, please let it happen, is not an unnecessary big open world map, like ubishit games or witcher 3. Keep it the same size as the original, just put more stuff in it as to not make it so empty. Improve on the beloved mechanic, more amour and weapons.

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>daimon cursed the cycle and wished to ruin everything
>granted, now you are a demon destroyer of worlds

>Grigori isn't you. He's a failed Arisen who probably lived lifetimes considering the amount of Arisen in your time. Duke, Dragonforged. And he was gud enough to best his own dragon and attempt the throne

Space dandy defies the laws of the universe.

Doesn't help the onky way to max her affinity is getting her drunk

It's unclear exactly what order is he's giving them. The only thing the people complain about is that they felt like they lost the will to to go on. Yes their country is currently being fucked by monsters and the dragon can show up any day. They need to leave and at least some of the townspeople people already have. But the people staying at Gran Soren just won't. It's not even that they don't want to they just won't do anything which is a symptom of the seneschal getting lazy at his job. Mid-battle the seneschal will say that the fire of his life has grown dim and that the world is growing cold for it.

Dunno why it arrowed. Oops

>implying you don't want an into the free battle mix

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Joseph Anderson told me this game was shit.

Also half the fucking city just falls into a hole and the best any of them can do is either stand there looking at it or just going about their business.

I wanted to say Sean Connery for a Draco reference but his voice is probably too ancient now.

>That's why you put a ring on her finger and dick her down
Do that and you actually get a sad bit of dialogue. She'll make a half joke that you think so little her that you just want to put her in your home so she can cook and clean for you. Although she'll express her appreciation immediately afterwards.

The combat is clunky, with a jank armor system. But it's fun. Watch some Nihil0.0 stuff to see what you're capable of. But it's also not for everyone, I should say

I worded that wrong. If he can get a better rapper then that'd actually be nice.

Keith Richards.

invidio.us/watch?v=GqVogXvXKuY

Imagine if Dragon's Dogma was released today.

I agree with some of the things he said in his review. The game is very much a gear based game no matter how much anyone wants to argue against it. If you're not packing endgame gear then the fight against most of the bitterblack Isle bosses will take a very long time. But if you do equip endgame gear in the main game becomes even more of a joke than it already is once you break level 100. I still love this game though for quite a few reasons

That's why I think she's so interesting. She's not a fairy tale story, because the world of Dragon's Dogma isn't a fairy tale. Despite the magic and adventure in the world, dreams don't really come true if the deck is stacked against you, and fate is inescapable.

That's why I can't bring myself to have another beloved than her, because letting her stay with you in Cassardis instead of going home to a country and family that don't respect her is a much better ending. It helps that her speech when you speak with her after beating Grigori shows that she's still determined to improve and was only returning home because she felt Gransys deserved a more capable warrior from her country at that time.

Her being a hot brown girl with a cute fake-French accent is just a bonus. I used her sword to fight Grigori and Dragonforged it the first time she was my Beloved.

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You don't have to give the Arisen's Bond to anyone, in fact you can miss it entirely and then suddenly the Dragon is saying that YES INDEED FOURNIVAL IS YOUR MOST BELOVED PERSON because you talked to him the most while buying periapts and talking about kicking people out of his property.
Your main goal, from beginning to end, is to confront the Dragon, get back your heart and keep Gransys from being annihilated by him. MAYBE along the way you give someone the Arisen's Bond but they're just in the crossfire of being a part of the Dragon's Bargain.

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Oh I know, but better to let her be connected to an Arisen and get some love than be a lowly knight in her father's court when even he doesn't give a shit about her.

Sjws are still in force when this game was released. The only thing is that no one cares about the NPCs in this game and this game doesn't break its back to be cinematic. So no one who cares about virtue signaling would have been paying attention enough to even notice Mercedes story. They probably would have just saw a female Knight, check that box on the checklist, and assumed that the game was sufficiently woke enough to exist without controversy.

I wonder what they would have thought about the Aelinore storyline if Dragon's Dogma took the Uncharted route

I've only ever seen one episode of Space Dandy, and it was "A World Without Sadness, Baby". Goddamn what a great episode.

Good post

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He's a retard who couldn't formulate a strong argument if his life depended on it. DD is jank but there's plenty of good things about it.

>I used her sword to fight Grigori and Dragonforged it the first time she was my Beloved.
My brother

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Most likely pick they would go with would be Jamieson Price. I'd love to hear Jon Avner as that game's dragon.

That's arpgs in general. Dogma just happens to have really fun combat and mechanics despite that.

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>It's unclear exactly what order is he's giving them
And yet here you are claiming vehemently that it's only the Seneschal giving them purpose. Why is it so hard to believe that everyone innately has free will and it's just that some are more stubborn/strong willed than others?

David hayter

so j-rpg bleah

He dindu nuffin

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Odd to have her and Selene in my Cassardis home since they're both the same voiceactress.

WRPG with anime feel, bro. And it's good
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Dragon's Dogma more like Wyvern's Dogma

Because that's exactly what he says.

youtu.be/QuwC2W-meIM

>The world and all its denizens are but empty vessels. In that regard no different than the Pawns.

The first scene after you make your Arisen is Grigori using his hands to take your heart. It's actual dragons.

trying to call it a wrpg because of the realistic art style doesnt make sense.

Would it break the game if it was more like Monster Hunter? Where, as long as you hit the monster and don't get hit, you can kill basically anything with a bone weapon? The only way I could see it being a negative is if you could bee-line for some OP weapon in early game and trivialize the game. Whereas in MH, the weapon progression is linear, so that wouldn't be a problem.

Very good point. I felt for her, but I saw the story as one where there's more important things going on than her ego and self esteem.

When she's defeated or shown up she gives up. And giving up in this game is a valid choice with benefits of its own. If she had continued trying no matter how many defeats and humiliations she faced who knows what would happen?

You can still kill anything with a rust weapon. It's just going to take you eons and you'll probably die before that unless you've perfected dodging

Watch the whole thing. It's my favorite anime without any qualifiers. It's hilarious, does a ton different things with its premise due to each episode having a different director, and manages to be beautiful when it wants to be. It's my favorite of Watanabe's shows.

Also I watched it dubbed because it premiered dubbed but the sub is fine too. I just can't think of anybody but Ian Sinclair as the most fitting voice for Dandy.

Can you? I was under the impression that if you didn't meet the attack/defense threshold, you would literally do 0 damage.

I thought you still would do 1 damage

What the fuck was YOUR problem?

The only way you'll kill something with a rusted weapon if you're super underleveled/geared is by abusing the status that rusted weapons apply to enemies. Using slightly stronger non-rusted weapons will make it impossible because the game has subtractive damage calculation. You can deal 0 damage if your attack power isn't high enough.

What they good use of Mercedes to illustrate that he other countries really do not care about their Pact. Hearthstone sending Mercedes was 100% lip service. You would think they would send her big dick brother to deal with what they think is the biggest threat on the planet. But no they send a little girl who they completely expect to fail without any reinforcements whatsoever. Of course Mercedes was going to lose. The only one who didn't see it was Mercedes herself. Julian was the only one who knew this mission was fucked from the start and decided to just try and make everyone leave before they were all killed. Although it helps that it also served Voldoa politically for Gran Soren to fall.

Eva Green and Cate Blanchett as the evil and good (also evil) versions, respectively

BOOGITY BOOGITY BOO

Maybe you should have listened to the Seneschal's entire speech, where they talk about volition and the will to survive instead of cherry picking one line. There's no will in an Arisen if they are pre-ordained to become an Arisen.

That guy is right it's a berserk '16 tier adaptation. Pacing is incredibly fucked and they removed nearly all the scenes between fights that give the characters personality. I strongly recommend reading the manga and pretending the netflix adaptation doesn't exist.

Lazy heroes

Nothing would have happened. To still fail despite having tried your hardest is a huge theme in modern Jap media, and the feelgood "keep trying and win in the end" thing that's so popular in the west would be a thematic subversion in case of the Japs. All the messages of the game (though people tend to downplay them) point to this notion, culminating in the very end when your only alternatives are to either literally kill yourself or to continue a shadowy existence that's presented as completely futile using a brilliant ludonarrative device.

It says specifically

>Along the endless string of life and death, there are some born with a hunger. They yearn for some other, better place. They are the Arisen, nascent fountainheads of will.

The people who end up becoming Arisen end up generating it on their own. They don't need the seneschal to give them will. The only caveat is that they required a dragon to refine it into something more. But the seneschal also remarks that the vast majority of people are basically glorified Pawns. More to the point if the seneschal was in control of the people capable of generating their own will versus those who are basically NPCs then you figure he would just make 100% of the population Arisen candidates. Except that's not the case and it would destroy the plot if it were.

Unironically James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman.

>the seneschal also remarks that the vast majority of people are basically glorified Pawns
Yeah, that's what's known as a METAPHOR
You're using that METAPHOR as the corner stone for the argument that everyone except Arisen candidates not having will. Is Julien not willful in his actions to brace the world at large for the Dragon with the demise of Gransys? What about Elysion? Or Mercedes, who risked death for being mocked? Are you trying to claim all of those things are a fantasy RPG version of VR training for Arisen?

She's got more going on then Madeleine
>I was a poor orphan raised by nuns
>So I just act like a kike to make money and never have to experiences that again
Or Quina with her girl next door shtick. No eyebrows girl is pretty boring as well, it's more interesting for the lore implication about Pawns then about her.

Wayne June would be perfect.

>wife and unborn child
So is this following the games plot or is it going to be some other Arisen?
Yeah, you'd think it means they want to generate hype for a sequel between this and porting it yet again but then they shut down the mmo.

It's not that others don't have will but that their will isn't strong enough to sustain the entire world like the seneschal has to. You're too hung up on this idea of the cyclical nature of the setting meaning everyone's fate is pre-ordained. We see people rise above their mode of being repeatedly through pawns becoming human-like, humans becoming arisen, and arisen becoming seneschal.

This has nothing to do with the discussion, but I fucking love rusted archistaves. Pop off a single Miasma spell and the enemy is almost instantly under torpor, poison, and dark element DoT. It's like Miasma and Lassistitude rolled into one but casts faster.

right but the beloved is the bait that leads to a dilemma. if you dgaf about the lover it's not a choice, you just want to wipe the smugness from this shitty dragon.

The MMO was never meant for us gaijins anyway.
They gotta build up hype in the west before they announce anything. They've dipped their toe in with the 20 releases on everything to gauge interest. Now they're planting that seed in the casual's minds to reap when they do finally announce DD2.
I could be wrong but the first game didn't do all that well in Japan, but it did alright enough in the West. I mean not as well as they had hoped, but I guess it was enough to keep putting out ports and shit to keep it relevant.
In any case, it'll probably be a few years before anything is really announced. The anime is probably just a good way of keeping it in people's minds while things are slow. Especially since they're running out of shit to port to for the time being.

Nope, Savan was wrong and sat in his chair for thousands of years being bored and tired for no real reason. The Will of the Seneschal is what keeps the world going, yes, but he believed this will to be the will to LIVE. By using the Godsbane you prove him wrong by demonstrating an even stronger will to POWER, to take complete CONTROL of your own life and not be a slave to any obligations to others. This is the lesson Grigori teaches you with what little remains of his own will underneath his "programming".

Dragon's dogma is Nietzsche propaganda, user.

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>It's not that others don't have will
That's the only point I'm trying to push here. Thanks for agreeing with me.

I love the idea of the rusted weapon statuses, but menu swapping between weapons all the time seems like it'd be a pain in the ass.

That's why you equip your Sorc pawn with one and let them be a torpor battery.

>if you dgaf about the lover it's not a choice
And that's the problem with a beloved being the main motivator for fighting Grigs. If you got that far and got some inn keeper/merchant you never cared about other than them selling you shit then you're not gonna care about the bargain, you're already there to fight the Dragon without that motivation.

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I agree with the user who said a female dragon.

I don't know how or why but this image looks like it has a nigger face and I don't like it.

This is all dependent on the world continuing to work fine into eternity, otherwise you bitched out and doomed your specific world to a slow march towards oblivion.

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Inclinations my lad.

JEJ would be great. Actually, on the topic of Conan Max Von Sydow would also be cool.

Even if that's what happens, you still broke the Cycle of Endless Return. Is a death of your own choosing not preferable to an eternity enslaved to a cruel and uncaring cycle? Is surviving truly so important that you should give up all else for its sake? Or perhaps the idea of survival above all else is the slavery that prevents you from truly living, user?

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>mfw purple prose spewing fedoralard doesn't see the appeal of being god
>buh buh buh you'll get tired of it!!!!

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I want to be able to change the way armour looks without losing the stats, like in AC Odyssey.

>Cool armor you'll never wear cuz you don't need Possession resistance and don't want to lose your 100% sleep, torpor, petrification or Skill Stifling resistance
Tis a shame. Transmog or layered armor would be great for a next installment

Why did you even fight the Seneschal to take his place if you're just gonna quit though? Why did you save Gransys from the Dragon just to let it die off because you got bored and didn't want to find a replacement?

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What boss battle did we miss?

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the truth of the matter is Japs are confounded and terrified by monotheistic religions, that's why you always kill god in JRPGs, that's the only reason killing yourself is the only way to get an ending.

You never planned it. The entire game you had no real influence on your fate, you could only go along with the rules forced upon you by external forces (see the game's title). Godsbane is the one and only exception and the one time you do something completely of your own will. The one brief instant in which you are not surviving, but living.

"You feel an odd pride as you plunge the Godsbane into your chest, as if claiming a great victory. .. Finally, there is the end of your tale -- one penned by your own hand, no less. As your consciousness fades into the black, you feel a peculiar sensation on your lips: you are smiling.

.. Cleansed by the surf, a body washes ashore on a deserted beach. Nameless, this soul awakens, eyes gleaming with the will to live, and for all things worth living for."

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I chalked it more up to the game being so scaled back and lacking a lot of the ideas they wanted in it ending with them deciding to just force us through the "controversial" ending rather than give us the choice of repeating the final set of fights except you're the Seneschal this time and you have to lose. Though I guess in a way that's what offline NG+ is supposed to be.

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Is it really (You)r choice when that's the only way to complete the game though?

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what about the tons of other choices you made concerning various shit, I doubt destiny gave a shit one way or another if I evicted Pip's family or gave what's his name Salomet's book

Fate isn't "everything is planned out", it's "everything will end up this way no matter what". Also giving that dude the book was a great sidequest solely because him showing up out of nowhere for the assist against the Griffon is one of my favorite moments in the game.

Sure. The game never told you to use the Godsbane. The Cycle tells you to sit down and wait until your will is completely drained and someone takes your place. Using the Godsbane is entirely your own choice, one made in a space completely devoid of external influence, a space where only you exist and all else is just an extension of your will.

It comes naturally to you as a player. The point of video games compared to any other medium is control. Controlling your character and their choices. So when the game stops giving you a direction to go in, you find another. It's natural for you. Without those directions (such as KILL THE DRAGON), the choice is truly one of your making.

Those were choices, sure. Choosing to run past a goblin instead of killing it is a choice too. But they're not decisions concerning your own life and your own fate, they're merely choosing between two roads that both lead to the same fate. All roads lead to Gran Soren, and all choices lead to the Seneschal's Chamber.

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cant find pussy of his size.

>can't complete the game without Godsbaning
>it's totally (You)r choice!!
whoosh

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I should perhaps have been less unclear about the distinction between you, the player, and you, the character you play. Yes, from the player's perspective Godsbane is the true ending and therefore the logical goal. It is a weakness, just as it's a weakness that the player has NO reason whatsoever to accept Grigori's deal. The player is playing the game to fight the dragon, why else would you even buy a game called Dragon's Dogma. I'm sure SOME people chose to accept the deal on their first try and not just later out of curiosity, but almost everyone will naturally choose to fight because that's what the game is about.

Still, Godsbane does set itself apart because while it is the only way to achieve the true ending, it is also the exact opposite of wthe instructions the game provides. Your quest log specifically states the objective "Live as the Seneschal". It never tells you that there is anything more, that this isn't the end of the game. It's the player that takes the hints and decides what to do with it. Yes, it's still a bit of a stretch because ultimately when playing a video game you are always operating within the confines set by the designers, but at least it's a good approximation.

It works a lot better when talking about you as the character you play, The Arisen. In the story of that character, Godsbane is the one true choice that was never inflicted upon them. It's not a choice forced upon them by the dragon, or by the seneschal, or by the cycle. It's simply a choice made entirely on their own, to take control of their own fate.

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Don't bother wasting your IQ on brainlets please. Good read though.

>arisen pursues dragon
>dragon does it usual business torching villages
>some dipshit survivor meets arisen
>arisen lets dipshit tag along because why not
>dipshit falls in love with arisen
>arisen eventually makes it to dragon, leaves dipshit and her pawn behind to take it on
>arisen slays dragon, goes to fight seneschal, jobs and becomes new dragon
>new dragon decides to be all poetic and steals dipshit's heart, making him the new arisen, he also inherits the dragon's old pawn
>eventually falls in love with pawn
>new dragon kidnaps pawn, business as usual
>presents dipshit with the sacrifice vs fight choice, business as usual
>dipshit figures out new dragon is his old waifu
>has to choose between slaying his old waifu or sacrificing his pawn waifu
>throws a tantrum and vocally damns the cycle
>new dragon takes it as a wish for the means to do so, kills pawn, turns dipshit into a daimon lording over an island that lures arisen from other worlds to their deaths

>Godsbane is the one true choice that was never inflicted upon them
You have to Godsbane to finish the game, end of story.
You as a character can decide to fuck off at any time and not do anything related to the story, but if you want to finish the game you're doing everything that is required of you to do so.
Slave to a broken order, even in death.

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What a fucking grand Dragon's Dogma thread. Learned even more about the lore I didn't know. Wish I had the patience to walk around and talk to every NPC like that one user in this thread did, but my small attention span burned out on this game for the moment. Still me all time favorite game ever, though. Also, please, barehanded/monk fighters in DD2.

ALL RIVEN
KITH AND KIN

Did anyone ever make a cheatengine hack for first person?

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What the fuck was HIS problem?

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2 horny 4 adoptive mother figure & pawn
BBI Olra was the best looking one though

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Those who would trade fashion for stats deserve neither

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Assassin's versatility is great, feels great to swap from melee to ranged constantly and the option to switch between sword and board or dual wielding on a whim is helpful.
Sorcerer's fight ending cataclysmic spells feel amazing, and you can cover your ass with the faster mage spells in a pinch.

Literally too angry to die. Also a reference to pic related.

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Id love to have boltstorm feint but fuck was getting bbi rings an entire pain in my prostate

Reminder that V from DMCV was probably a prototype for a new dragon's dogma mage system with more emphasis on player engagement

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Is it me or are the japanese specially gifted when it comes to "get" the western medieval vibe? Bloody beautiful.

It used to in the 80's and 90's but not for the past 15 years or so where everything looks incomprehensible and you get shit like the pizza cutter and Nomura zippers

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Based loreposter

Weirdly the guy who voiced Grigori hasn't actually worked that much, mostly bit parts

Nah, fuck the roads, we need strongholds everywhere, Make Gransys Great Again

This is the best thread I’ve ever been on, never even thought about the stuff that was mentioned here. Kinda wanna start playing again. I hope Itsuno decides to work on DD2 next.

He voiced Kenpachi in Bleach and Jiraiya in Naruto. That's about it when it comes to notable voice work.

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I didn't mind DDO's system too much. Was better than just standing around.

>I hope Itsuno decides to work on DD2 next.
In a way I want this more than anything, but in another way I don't want it at all. Trust issues I guess.

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With how good those voices are, that's about all he needs.

Torpor is fuckin gay, way too strong

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Agreed. There's nothing fun about shooting almost frozen enemies.

AS I WANDER COLD AND IMMANE

>Send those fuckers into the stratosphere

Lack of rule of law and natural law of reciprocity in his civilization.

oh god finally a fucking thread

I finished the game a week ago, god damn this was based as fuck
so underated, I really hope itsuno's new project is a sequel

god damn the expansion is hard as fuck

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The concept art in Dragon's Dogma is fucking beautiful, all the art really is, but THIS in particular is magnificent and I love it for one very important singular reason.

It directly implies this cycle has been going on for AGES, THOUSANDS of years, and that the world Dragon's Dogma inhabits isn't just a stagnant fantasy world, but a fantasy world that's experienced technological and cultural historical development like our own.
We've got 10th century kind of art, we've got celtic/bronze age style art, and we've got greek-times art- this process has been going on for literally thousands of years and through every historical period.

The world has actual history and that's neat.

>I really hope itsuno's new project is a sequel
Let me quote the man from earlier this year. I'm paraphrasing but
>I told Capcom's CEO "I want to make either DMC5 or DD2" and he said "Alright, make whichever you want". So I decided to make DMC5. And now here we are almost at release, so...

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OH HOW HAVE I SEEN

As much as i want dd2 i just don't see it becoming reality.

It's not like DD was flop. And DMC 5 prints money so yeah I think we are getting it.

Everyone said the same exact thing about DMC5 before it leaked, though

A million times this, he also knew dmc5 would make them lodsamone so he specifically chose that first because he wanted the money to make dd2 the right way and not have to cut a million corners to get it. Basically dmc was just a springboard for the series he actually cared about

How can i level sorcerer quickly?

I want to get that 20+ magic for my magic archer but i HATE playing sorcerer cause it sucks and all your abilites are bad and barely do anything.

Also. Fuck griffins. They never fucking land, never.

Holy Focus Bolt is easy mode.

>As much as i want dd2 i just don't see it becoming reality.

It would actually be really weird for them not to capitalize on Dragon's Dogmas popularity and make a sequel.
They've ported Dragon's Dogma to damn near every single platform: Xbox, Playstation, PC, and now even the Switch has Dragon's Dogma. Dragon's Dogma is considered one of Capcom's best selling and most popular games- before Monster Hunter World overtook it's position. I think it's in 3rd or something?

At any rate with DDO coming to an end, DMC5 development finished, and a Dragon's Dogma Animated series planned for Netflix.. It would be REALLY unusual for them to just 'not' make another Dragon's Dogma.
There's massive demand for it.
People love Dragon's Dogma.

You can just wait until postgame and grind it out on the guards in Gran Soren
You won't even need that boost until postgame/dlc anyway

This would be perfect.

>all your abilites are bad and barely do anything

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>He hasn't nuked an entire battlefield with meteors and tornados

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>Wishlist for Dragon's Dogma 2?

>More Monsters and more Monster variety.
Ogres, Trolls, Giants, Minotaurs, Necromancers, Sphinx, Sirens/Mermaids, Centaurs, Orcs, Fishmen, Beastmen, Werewolves, etc.. etc.. I want just way more monsters to fight.

>Smaller world, but more Dungeons.
Dragon's Dogma was packed with empty space, but the Dungeons they did have were fantastic. I want to see more of that: Caves, Burrows, Ruins, even Forests. Even just as something as simple as a small one room cave that spawns a single Troll guarding some loot.

>Smaller world, but more characters, quests, little towns, and interesting people.
I was impressed and loved the characters I encountered in Dragon's Dogma, but it just wasn't as developed or fleshed out as it could have been. The game tells you at the beginning that roads and camps will have travelers and merchants, but they didn't. I'd like to see actual towns, farming villages, roaming npcs, and not just large empty space.

>Playable races?
I don't want anything weird. One of DD's charms was it's commitment to classic western fantasy, so I'd want: Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Halflings, Gnomes, and maybe a Beastman race like a Dogman or Lionmen or something.

>Online Co-op.
It would be really fun to be able to connect to online, enter into a tavern or pub, and create groups with your friends to pillage Dungeons for even greater loot than you'd find in offline singleplayer. It could work like Monster Hunter where you could have up to 4 players, but if you have only 2 you get to bring your pawns with you- maybe you're also transported right to the dungeon? Perhaps 'online' co-op could be a much larger 'hub' within a "Dungeon Town" ??

>Just more Dragon's Dogma.
I already love everything about Dragon's Dogma and don't want them to make radical changes to it's gameplay or aesthetic. In a lot of ways it's like Dark Souls: I want them to leave what's good about it alone and just provide me with more content and story.

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There should have been a flashback with him. I want to see him going HAM on the Dragon with his fists. Balls that big and still lost,

I want to hug my pawn.

Weather.

>Is there any lore surrounding the Brine? Is it related to the cycle fuckery?

I could be completely misremembering, but I vaguely remember the issue with the Brine was that it was a type of microscopic carnivorous red algae that, while always existing in the world, only becomes truly 'aggressive' when the Dragon or cycle activates. I say this because there's a passing line of dialogue in Cassardis where the fishermen are pissed off because with the coming of the Dragon it's no longer safe to go deep out into the open ocean anymore because if you so much as fall into the drink you'll be taken away by the Brine.

It's also interesting to note that aquatic creatures don't seem to be bothered by the Brine.
Saurians are the only enemy not attacked or devoured by the Brine and will walk/swim out of deep water completely unphased.

>tfw cant play dragons dogma becasue its banned in my steam store
wtf what do now i dont wanna pirate because i was planning on playing it co op with my friend

>E3 2021
>screen fades to black
>Take up arms, Arisen... For my kind do not heed the toothless.wav
>*Eternal Return starts playing*
>You know the legend...
>*full frontal shot of Grigori rising from the scorched remains of a small village*
>Now the time has come for a new chapter...
>Coming Soon for all platforms...
>*ear-shattering fart noise*
>Dragon's Dogma™ Dark Arisen™ Ultra 8K™

>when you become the senechal and are invisible to everyone

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I wouldn't even be surprised. We've gotten the following
>a mobile game
>an expansion
>an MMO RIP
>a PC port
>an Xbone port
>a PS4 port
>a Switch port
>a Netflix adaptation
Am I missing anything?

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jorden peterson

Manga

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>go autisimo and min/max Arisen to pure strength
>switch from assassin to mystic knight
>realize my magic is shit
So can i make up for my shitty magic with equipment? Don't feel like regrinding a mixed sorcerer for a liable build.

There were certainly ones before you, the one you get an example of is Savan

>they get to grigori
>he starts swearing

>you get a credit roll for taking the other way out

You're wrong, but ok

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It's implied somewhere that Seneschals are just glorified batteries for some higher being, isn't it?

Future so bright gotta cast high blearing

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>Climb up an enemy
>Spam hundred kisses till you get exhausted
>Kill enemy
This is "fun" everyone.

>Can we assume the Arisen we play as is the only actual person to beat the Dragon and become Seneschal?

No, other people throughout history have defeated the Dragon in ages long since past.
As far as we know there's been five people (from the Gran Soren region) who've fought the Dragon, so it's been maybe 400 to perhaps even 600 years? Dragon's Dogma?
-The First one was Savan who you play as in the tutorial. He was successful in slaying the Dragon and became the new Seneschal.
-The Second one was actually Sofiah; someone people always seem to forget. Sofiah slew the Dragon, but instead of becoming Seneschal she killed herself with the Godsbane and bestowed mortality and purpose to her pawn: Selene, that little witch girl.
-The Dragonforged was the Third one and lost to Grigori (here's where we get 'our' Grigori). He fought bravely, but as other user's have mentioned his spear fucking broke and he was then slain by Grigori. Being an Arisen he is immortal- his arms are all burnt as shit because when his spear broke he tried to beat Grigori to death with his barehands the absolute fucking mega-chad.
-The Final, Fifth, and our 'current' Arisen is is Edmun Dragonsbane. Edmun didn't even TRY to fight Grigori and instead sacrificed his true love in exchange for kingdom and immortality. Edmun probably 'fought' Grigori a hundred or so years ago.

This does not include or take into account non-Gran Soren Arisen, I.E: the sort you can find in Bitterblack Isle.
This also doesn't include the other Arisen who fail and whom are then turned into Dragons and lesser Draconids of which there are plenty of. I believe the Dragon nesting either in the water temple or moontower was from Gran Soren- one of them at the very least speaks 'english' instead of latin and is pleasantly surprised to fight a fellow Arisen.

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>My guess is that this is just live action.

This is the one thing we 'do' in fact know:
The Dragon's Dogma adaptation WILL be an animated cartoon/anime, the better question is it going to be "3D" or "2D".

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

They're probably terrified of ruining the brand's cult following with a mainline sequel that they aren't sure how to do properly.
Fucking up a spinoff won't affect people's expectations for the series as much as a bad sequel will.

Hes being tongue in cheek and saying that berserk is a sufficient replacement for an actual dragons dogma story, which is a little silly because one takes heavily from the other. Ii wouldnt be surprised if the berserk creator takes from dragons dogma (or planned all along) and turn guts into a sort of caretaker god, as the arisen is akin to “struggler”

>his spear fucking broke
>Being an Arisen he is immortal
>his arms are all burnt as shit because when his spear broke he tried to beat Grigori to death with his barehands
Why didn't he just come back and try again with a new weapon?
Do you only get one shot?

I only recently found out just how effective this was on Trolls the other night.
I was doing that quest where you fight the three Trolls in the quarry/abandoned mine and was having a bitch of a time with it because the creatures are just seem resistant to everything. I then climbed onto their face and just began wailing on the fuckers.
They can tank millions of arrows, but the moment I scamper onto a Troll's face the fight becomes trivialized.

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Ranger, Mystic Knight and Magick Archer, in that order.

I assume most Arisen just fucking die if they can't beat the Dragon. The Dragonforged can't fight anymore because his arms are permanently burned.

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>Thought "meet the princess in the garden" was a storyline quest
>wtf is this pedo shit why am I in her room
>King bursts in
>later he kinda just forgets that he wanted me dead or whatever
>child shows up with the dragon as "true love"

I dunno I guess I fucked up love interesting on the brown qt knight

Is there a reason in the lore for the lack of a moon in the main game's sky and why BBI has the moon? It obviously ties in to the cut content, but still.

He underwent an epic adventure to fight fate itself but lost at the very last step and became a slave to the very destiny he fought against. Despite this he holds nothing against you and is trying to motivate you to become the biggest badass you can so you can kill him and then succeed where he failed.

Every word Gregory speaks is fucking gold.
His monologues are intense.
I feel like Dragon's Dogma wouldn't be half as good without him.

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yes, it's fucking satisfying.

>different people find different things enjoyable
oh no.

How short do you have to be to enter Goblin tunnels?
My current character is the '2nd smallest' height and now I'm worried that might not be small enough.

That was the very thread that convinced me to go back and try DD for a third time after dropping it at Gran Soren twice before. is actually my post. Went from regularly shitposting in DD threads to falling in love with the game. I've probably logged around 600 hours into it now and consider it to be one of my favorite games.

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The beginning really is a fucking slog, especially the journey to gran soren the first time.

i really would've liked more areas like that last area on the mountain that were left over from ancient civilizations and their relationship with the dragon and other monsters, I feel the devs really did a great job conveying the sheer age and wear of many of the locations

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one thing I never liked about DD was how playing 'logically' and making your pawn a different class to you actually fucks you over in the long run. since your pawn then ends up clinically retarded and unable to do basic shit
I hope in the sequel they just scrap the 'learning' mechanic fully and give the player actual controllable sliders or something in how your pawn reacts/does shit

>I hope in the sequel they just scrap the 'learning' mechanic fully and give the player actual controllable sliders or something in how your pawn reacts/does shit

Same. Just let me manually train my fucking pawn and dictate to them what they should be doing or at the very least make their roles more explicit and obvious and refrain from leaving something so fucking important so vague.

I'm constantly annoyed and infuriated by how intelligent Bandit A.I is compared to how completely and utterly inept Pawns are.

>Hundred kisses
What a pleb, using Thousand kisses with tempest harness you can literally become sonic.

loli/shota tier short
You're not really missing anything by not being able to go in there though.

I think DDO did something like this. If I remember correctly there were a whole bunch of sliders you could mess around with for pawn behavior.

If you find it enjoyable to mash the same buttons ad infinitum for each and every enemy, without any difference in strategy, then go ahead and knock yourself out.

Go outside, you get full freedom of movement so you can suck your own dick like you clearly want to

>BBI Tier 3 gear all looks like fucking shit except maybe for blue vocations
It's even worse when you and your pawn share the same class. God I miss the Trophy set but I need those stats

seething.

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What the hell were they thinking with the Hydra's head escort mission?

>he actually deals a decent of damage to the flying asshole
Fucking nice.

>learning how to climb a specific monster whilst managing your stamina and avoiding getting hit
>"smash the same button"
bruh this isn't Magick Cannon.

oh, you're retarded.

It's the pleb filter

>Managing stamina
>Pause menu, eat fucking mushrooms and drink liquid vim
Well played.

>problem
Imagine if YOU were locked away for millions of years with no one to interact with

>yfw Aelinore is the canon love interest
That quest was easily the most mind-numbing moment in the entire game.

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He sure had lots of monsters to interact with but i assume eating things is not sufficient as far as interaction goes to something as intelligent as grigori

That's why I throw the little shitty brats into the hole or any of the annoying NPCs from before the "Final Battle."

>dragonforged her sword
If you didnt gift it back to her you only did half good son

If by "higher being" you mean the rest of the world and all life then sure.

I uninstalled that dogshit game after finding multiple bandits who just oneshot you and take no damage.

I only care for Aelinore because of her English VA.

Might be canon but you'll never see her as a Beloved in my copy on any cycle.
Of course I did. What do you take me for?

I think you'll find they're exposed after a grand strike.

>getting pleb filtered this hard
You either tried to make it past the passage with the boulders before you should've (aka the reason as to why they're there) or you simply are fucking shit at vidya games

Pls no she goats in the thread thx

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I feel like Quina and Selene are really the only two options, since they're the only ones to notice what happened to you at the end.

there was also a group outside the castle in some cabins if you leave after escorting the snake head. They all were normal but there was one guy who took basically no damage but shit it out
And if they didn't want me going there why the fuck would they instantly give me a quest to go there and save the brown chick?

>missing out on the free 5-10 ambrosial meats because you chose the wrong option
JUST

Strider and Assassin are both fun, but I enjoyed fighter the most. I feel like it has the most engaging toolkit, assuming you aren't just spamming dragon's maw like a fucking shitter.

>You don't have to fight everything you see.
>Loading screen hints that you don't have to fight everything you see.
>Pawns occasionally advice that you don't have to fight everything you see.
>Had you two brain cells, you'd have realized that you don't have to fight everything you see.
You got filtered, my guy.

>site's down

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>"hurrhurr climbing + hundred kisses, that's cheesing it"
>spams consumables like a scrub

The only thing can think is Scather+Utilitarian

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THE DRAGON'S DOGMA

>making shit up

You're wrong, but ok

DD2 is the only reason I'm postponing suicide now that Bannerlord has a release date.

Has anybody else noticed this, but all of the seemingly 'canon' love interests 'leave' in some way or another?
>Aelinore flees the kingdom for fear of the King murdering her.
>Quina ventures to the main land(?) to study at the grand cathedral so she can help you.
>Valmiro gets wander lust (and cock lust) and fucks off from Gran Soren to be an adventurer.
>Mercedes Marten goes back to her country of Hearthstone(TM) to request proper aid.
>Madeleine and her massive milkers even leaves for a time when she's ejected from Gran Soren for illegitimate business.

I think the only one who doesn't leave you is Selene? The little goth witch? She just lives in your home and is your 2nd garaunteed wife.

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What evidence is there for Sofiah having defeated the Dragon? We know she's dead and that Selene became more human over time, but Selene is still slowly becoming human over the course of current in-game DD while when you godsbane yourself your pawn becomes human and gains your body instantly.

He was an Arisen

>Want to romance the merchant guy
>Give him Arisen's Bond right before storming the fortress
>Get fucking Valmiro instead even though his quests were done 20 hours ago and his affinity should have not taken precedence
Annoying.

I like to think some of them are NPCs from the story. For example, the Wyrm at the Water God's Altar would be the priest who died there, or the Wyvern at Blue Moon Tower would be Salomet.

There's no evidence as to what she actually accomplished, but she definitely didn't become Seneschal, else Savan wouldn't still be there. At best she killed the Dragon but took the Seneschal's offer of returning to a normal life.

That means merchant guy didn't hit max affinity user, you'd know someone is max by the pink vignetting around their head while talking to them.

>What evidence is there for Sofiah having defeated the Dragon?

She wasn't turned into a Dragon and she didn't become Seneschal, so she must have done something in order to acquire her freedom and die a natural death.
The most likely answer in this case is she defeated her Dragon -or found a loophole or something- and killed herself or died a natural death and completed the process of.. Giving her pawn free will?

It's confusing to say the least.

Really? How did he interact with them but the Arisen can't? It's been a few years since I played it. I have one of the top pawns on PC simply because I was one of the first person to own and complete it.

>at best she killed the Dragon but took the Senechal's offer of returning to a normal life
That always seemed to make sense to me, since it would tie into the fact that the game seems to have an example of potential arisen choices/fates.
>You avoid the Dragon altogether
Dragonforged
>You take the Dragon's bargain
Edmun
>You slay the Dragon but take the Senechal's bargain
Sofiah
>You slay the Dragon and fail the Senechal's test
Grigori(?) and/or Grette
>You succeed in the Senechal's test and live as the new Senechal
Savan
>You succeed in everything but say fuck the role of Senechal
(You)
>You say fuck the Dragon, fuck the Senechal, and fuck DDO
Daimon
One outlier I'm unsure of are the drake, the wyrm, and the wyvern. They're definitely former arisen, but are they arisen who simply died in the overworld? The drake's confusion at it all suggests it died human and is unaware, but then the wyrm seems to know about the senechal's role.

Ah cos, or some say, cousin.

Oh my sweet, sweet Deedlit....

This. If they could take Monster Hunter's engine into DD2...oh man...the possibilities.

I thought the Drake, Wyrm, and Wyvern were Arisen the Dragon killed.

Her and Pirotess were the proto-waifus

Thats great and all, but what do we do about this fucker?

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nothing, he's based

>Thats great and all, but what do we do about this fucker?

Mason is a spy sent from the Mainland (specifically he works for the Faith) to investigate the Salvation Cult.
There isn't much else to say about him because he's incredibly transparent with you: he's here to route out Salvation and prevent such cults from forming in other countries, he likes and respects you and believes you're the arisen, and he promises not only to not fuck your sister, but to make sure she gets a job safe at the Grand Cathedral on the mainland.

I dunno, I think Mason is an alright guy.

Literally sold my soul for unlimited budget for Itsuno, so, who knows.

>not spamming the attack with highest DPS

Not gonna lie, I was taken a back on how deep the story was. I though DD was just your typical kill the dragon, rescue the girl, save the day. After the first half, I was just amazed how the story presented it self. Imagine if Dragons Dogma was a complete game.

I just bought Dragon's Dogma a couple days ago, yet to play it. Any tips for a newbie?

Goblins ill like fire

Don't minmax. It will kill your soul. Just play without thinking about stats and change class whenever you want.

Nah, the Wyvern is clearly not a mage type.

>Some classes are better than others, but all of them are fun
>Game really picks up after you get to Gran Soren. Get past the intro before you decide to keep going or not.
>Stat growth min/maxing is mostly for autism. Keep your gear good and you'll be fine.
>Pawns can be trained by mimicking you. It's easier to train your Main Pawn if they're the same class as you.
>Harspud sauce is fucking great
>Your character's weight and size affects stamina, carry load, and other aspects
>Be careful to check for side quests before you hit a point of no return
>Take all of the "Kill X Monsters" quests; they'll complete themselves by playing normally.
>The main questlines will not take you to every last corner of the map, so you may want to explore
>Nighttime is actually really fucking dangerous
>Leave a Portcrystal outside Blue Moon Tower
>WOLVES HUNT IN PACKS

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When you fight Lizards, bring fire magic and make sure to attack the tails

You didn't say fuck it to Seneschal's role. Both you and Savan used the Godsbane's Blade to give your Pawns free will. But you're both still gods after that.

>tfw you find out about the bandit pass and especially the canyon
I'm weak and can't help getting busted gear asap on every new character.

Ice is better and you don't need to sever tails.

>Don't minmax. It will kill your soul

Balance is the perfection, but also if you only level Warrior you get shit Magick damage even with equipment.

All roads lead to Gran Soren.

he wanted a heart, but there was no wizard.

Always start the game and level a character to +100... is tedious but I like the journey.

I want all the DDO vocations in desu
Punch magic and the spellblade ones were fun as shit, never got around to trying the spear

My main and favorite was Shield Sage, even is a nerfed version of MK without Magic Cannon.

The support spells and the perfect block counter where the fucking best, I loved it to help people do the mission where you needed to kill the Golem with Ice Counter.

Post brown pawns

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Best

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Based.

>DD2

user...

Considering itsuno wanted to stay at capcom only if he did DMC5 and DD2, and that he went IMMEDIATLY to work on a new project, it's not that far fetched

Itsuno got the chance to make DMC5 or DD2, he choosed to go with DMC5 and now is finished.

So now the time ripe for DD2

What gear do you rush? I always go to the grave on the coast north of Cassardis where the golem is for the fire enchanted daggers/sword.

BBI dank shit

Wait WHERE?!

THE SHADOW OF EAGLES CROSS THE MOON

Please lord, TBF-tier OST. Please. PLEASE.

Were all monsters corrupted humans? For some reason, I arrived at this conclusion, but it's been awhile since I played DD and can't remember why.

Sorry I meant West of Cassardis. Avoid the golem and there's a grave with a sword sticking out of it. Save your game and loot it. It can give you the sword, daggers or gold I think, just reload til you get what you want!

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Ah no I was looking for the golem in specific, thanks a ton for both bits of info

What level I need for starting to get BBI equipment?

No, just the dragons/drakes. That shit about all the monsters on BBI being arisens is nonsense.

You can go there as soon as you get your pawn and run away from all the enemies, looting chests as you go.

Do the chests in there respawn?

Yeah but I think you need to leave and rest at the inn for a few days. You can also savescum them by saving in front of them and dying if you just want a specific drop.

my favorite weapon in the game shame it gets outclassesd insanely hard by bbi shit

This is going to sound lame but BBI was the first place which really creeped me out in DD.

>sci-fi and fantasy
Are those two genres always together on Netflix or will we get ayys

the gazer kinda freaked me out when I mounted on his eye at first
yeah I'm pretty lame too

I really enjoyed the game, especially combined with the expansion. But god damn, does it feel like as if it could almost have been an absolute masterpiece we are now never going to see.
Probably too ambitious and not enough time/funding to really turn it into what it was supposed to be.

Well with the good sales of DMC5 Itsuno can make a proper DD2.

FUCK GRIFFINS THEY LITERALLY N E V E R LANDI HAVENT FOUGHT A SINGLE ONE AFTER THE TOWER

I SHOOT AT THEM, I ATTACK MOBS, I RUN AFTER THE THEM. I SIMPLY WAIT.

NOTHING WORKS, THEY JUST FLY AROUND AND FUCK OFF AFTER LESS THAN 10 SECONDS

Did you use fire in the wings to bring them down?

Their kind hates fire, Arisen

They don't even go down. They ignore me every single time. ONCE it actually went down and it attacked 2 fucking npc away from me and flew away as i ran towards it and just fucked off.

did you try using stuff you kill as bait? you have to be quick after they land though

>attacked 2 fucking npc away from me and flew away as i ran towards it and just fucked off

Scripted events (random encounters) but if the Grif doesn't see anything to hunt they fuck off.

Yes. Didn't work.

Funny things is that the dragons land all the time even though i don't even try.

All Dragons are the other side off the spectre... they want to kill you for be the Arisen.

is it honestly worth it forcing myself to continue this game to the end? Is there a story that's worth striving for?

Right around here is about the only place I managed to consistently fight a Griffin, there's usually one circling around and there's a goblin camp close by that seems to draw it's attention.

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japanese voice actor for Grigori is an absolute chad, too bad I cant seem to find any videos on youtube with the japanese VO for Grigoris scenes.

Because vocaroo is retard shit can't upload the ogg of some scenes with Grigori.

they're masterworks all you can't go wrong

Pray

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