Classic was harder than bfa!

Not true, they practice the fights on PTR for months, which is a massive fucking mistake, because Azshara got nerfed too hard in the PTR & you can zerg her now

Remininder than no retail players killed Ragnaros yet. And worst they are not even close to kill it.

The absolute state of the retail fanbase.

I guess it's easy go get world first on dead game with no competition.

>Remininder than no retail players killed Ragnaros yet. And worst they are not even close to kill it.

How? Seriously asking btw

Ulduir: 8 days
BoD: 7 days
CoS: 9 days
EP: 12 days

That is full progress days without time spent leveling, effecting Classic raids were cleared in one day.

They are wiping in maraudon

That's for Mythic
LFR is about Classic level, maybe a bit harder

>Could only do it on one or two characters because of how utterly bored out of my goddamn mind I was

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Retarded classic zoomer

Those pre60 dungeons between like 45-60 are unironically harder than most retail raids. Also because you often do not have OP gear at these levels.

Whole different game compared to retail where everyone gets free epics from everywhere

>a bunch of vietnamese players with 56k modem connection killed Ragnaros
>Top retail players with huge setup in Las Vegas helped by anti afk man are not even close to kill it

Imagine if APES were playing retail, new raid would be cleared in a few hours.

Those pre60 dungeons between like 45-60 are unironically harder than most retail raids. Also because you often do not have OP gear at these levels.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAA THIS IS WHAT CLASSIC ZOOMERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>Those pre60 dungeons between like 45-60 are unironically harder than most retail raids.
lmao
any random mythic dungeon is harder than all vanilla raid encounters (with possibly a handful of excepions in nax)

>mythic
>yep I will just ignore LFG

Thats why your retailboys are wiping in Maraudon, while the OG wow players are farming ragnaros?

why do you want to compare the highest difficulty content of classic with the lowest difficutly content of retail? (which mythic dungeons arent even btw, there's still stuff below it)

literally everyone was saying that vanilla raids are the easiest in the game's history you fucking liar

1.12, call me when Naxx is out though the Classic patch should have been 1.11.

WotLK nax was cleared in one day (with easier numbers, but same mechanics) - you really think people wont farm the perfect gear in between these long content breaks and clear that shit instantly?

Classic raids were a joke. They were "hard" because they were tuned for 40 people and typically 20 of them were afk, retarded spoon eaters or poorly speced shitters with no gear.

40 people who are paying attention would absolutely stomp MC, and the """tactics""" required by todays standards of raiding in any other mmo and bfa are a joke. 90% just standing doing your rotation.

t. retail dog

>why do you want to compare the highest difficulty content of classic with the lowest difficutly content of retail?
Because it's false dichotomy.

falsefalgging is out of control for sure

>have years of private server experience
>know every mechanic down to the last detail because of autism
Gee I wonder why they did it so easily compared to other people.

He's not wrong

This. But damn Yea Forums sure obsessed with streamers and raid logging even in Classic. Journey my ass. I bet most of Yea Forums use quest markers too

bfa is a complete shit game outside of this
the rest of the game is way more braindead than classic

the only people that think classic raid content is harder than modern wow's raid content are people who never played the game after cata. there is no world where fucking MC is harder than any mythic raid.

Actually there was mental gymnastics about "pirate servers undertuned". I clearly remember this shit

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>finishes character in a minute
>plays 10 minutes, gets bored
>uninstall
nice mmo ya got there

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This is autism

Yes indeed I am a 'retail dog'. I've played Wow through from vanilla to current year. On and off somewhat post mists and now no longer play at all. The games shit.

But the raids in classic are far more simple. Don't get me wrong I like their themeing far, far more, nothing will stop the older raids and their armor designs, which has become worse with every expansion as they seemingly try to over design everything, but if you are legit trying to claim that the old raids were harder you're either clueless or shitposting.

Imagine the butthurt when zoomers start wiping in mc after watching these european pserver autists clear it in greens and with a bunch of level 56 healers.

>the race is onnn, first to 60 guys!!! Plzz watch stream and give shekels
>*some unemployed memer nobody from Malta hits 60 first*
>g-g-guys the race is actually to world first ragnaros!!!
>*moves the goal posts*
>*some boomer vanilla players farm rag while the retailshits are wiping in Maraudon*

Tfw you go from retail to classic and the training wheels are taken off

user, method don't post here, You just larping with yourself

Uhhhh, everyone said this. It was classic players that said it wasn't going to be cleared for ages.

>everyone said this
care to show statistic or threads in archives?

Did you not read the dozens of daily "going home" threads for the past 3 months, new fag?

If you're hardcore poopsock enough to get to 60 in less than a week you're probably also the type of person that won't have any issues with MC or Onyxia. Or anything in classic really.
Until maybe the very, very final stuff, and even that will 99% get shitstomped in less than a day.

This is not how it works. Post statistic. Legit proofs for " everyone said this". And your "going home" threads were made by same falsefalggers like yourself. I honestly don't even know why I replying to you.

The only "hard" part about Naxx is the stat requirements.

no-one said that MC and Ony were harder than mythic BFA raids

Everyone farm Naxx and private servers. Everyone know how Naxx works.

That's what I said, they will shitstomp it in a day. I want to see some undergeared "friendly PvE :D" guild that's never even seen Naxx before try it though and see how many weeks of wiping it takes them to clear it. If ever.

I was looking for this as soon as I heard about rag

I’m surprised it was THAT easy for them, but I expected that top tier raiders would clear it quicker this time around. I also expect that Naxx will be easier as well simply because people have had years to prep the mechanics and even noobs could do Naxx in wotlk. I think AQ40 will be the hardest one this time around

yeah, cause retail raids are exactly like MC

literally no one ever said that MC was hard

I heard from anons that Vaelastrasz is still a wall on private servers.

Did these faggots really get Hydraxian Waterlords to honored under a week?

It's harder in the investment sense, there's no difficulty to the actual mechanics, just the time required filtering a lot of people.
That said I'm comparing it to "old nu-wow" as in wotlk/first tier of cataclysm which was peak PVE raid design, BFA is unironically easier than classic, otherwise Method wouldn't have gotten ANY wf, they were the eternal 5th placers when relevant players (Ensidia, Paragon) still raided.

Any retarded zoomer in this thread that think classic is anything like vanilla are deluded, I'm sorry you missed out, why don't you fuck off back to your dopamine addiction and aimless life

>Cucksic content cleared in less than 1 week

OH NO N NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

CLASSICCUC_KS BTFO
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>wotlk was peak PVE raid design
naxx was insultingly easy, ToGC was horrible with doing the same raid 4 times a week

the whole expansion was carried by ulduar and icc

Oh mighty boomer. Explain further.

Those clears the other user replied with, those were days since the patch was live, not since the server literally turned on and everyone was level 1.
You’re forgetting EVERYONE WAS LEVEL 1 FIVE DAYS AGO.

Agreed, Naxx was an introduction tho, no problem in that, TogC was a failure too (altho the encounters had nothing wrong with them, faction champions HC filtered a lot of casuals and clickers), but Ulduar is simply the best raid ever designed in the history of videogames, ICC was insanely good too, specially LK HC. T11 (first raids of cata) was exceptionally good and was the most mechanically demanding raid in the game, where every single boss required PROPER kiting or something interrupt rotations on several targets.
Then Firelands came and they decided to kill the game.

>yeah bro, just go through hundreds of Yea Forums threads and calculate the mean for the all posts that said it!!
Have sex you fat ugly virgin

>tfw I burned out on boring naxxramas and the only raid tiers I ever missed out on from level 60 to warlords of draenor was ulduar, togc and icc
I still haven't forgiven myself.

Can you teach me your ways to the absolute truth Mr. Wizard?

Have sex without having sex.

>content mapped out
>all bosses are known
>all mechanics are known
>hurr it's easy
Yes, it is. My dream would have been that Blizzard goes into every single raid encounter and gives the boss random abilities that change on a week to week basis. Summoning adds, mortal strike, enrage, aggro reset, hateful strike, teleporting around, teleporting players, player becomes the bomb etc. But the content as it is will be cleared in release day.

>people mock retail for just spamming instances to level
>in Classic people only spam instances to level
H-home...

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Nobody spams instances anymore to level on retail

lol

Instances are very inefficient for leveling, only worth doing a run or two for quests and maybe a blue drop.

ulduar and ICC were massive and consumed more than half of the expansion. they didn't carry the expansion, they basically were the fucking expansion. and OS/RS were decent as well. malygos was alright but ruined by the vehicle part. if they had replaced the vehicle part with a better phase 2 that would've been a good raid as well

i'm unironically having the hardest time staying awake playing wow, it's insane how boring leveling is

>malygos was alright but ruined by the vehicle part
t. Stack dropper

Take some breaks from leveling by going into the opposite faction level 20-30 area and gank. Better if you are a rogue.

Read quests. Turn off quest markers addon. Go to Vietnam

Not anymore. The lfg/world channels are constantly spammed with people looking for 2-3 mages/locks for spell aoe grinds or 2-3 warriors/rogues for melee aoe grinds. If you don't have strong aoe, heals or tanking you are having a real hard time finding a dungeon group.

The HARD and REAL Classic Content completed in 6 Days by a group of undergeared apes. Oh the irony.

because 40man raids were a joke half the raid would be afk most of the time watching porn

Raiding is hardly relevant.

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>rogue
>aoe
???

great synergy with warriors and paladins/shamans.

damn that thing that everyone thought would happen actually happened, who would have guessed

leveling was always boring in vanilla
I remember almost giving up on my first char. got to 52 and got so bored I traded my char with a friend. wow has always been about the end game

I can't imagine why someone would do that

people accepted the monotony back then because MMO worlds still inspired 'wonder' or 'awe', it also helped if you played with people you semi cared about.

The game only holds up if you are a nostalgia chaser.

quest text is awful, i tried reading it. no quest markers makes the game even worse i almost quit before level 10 because i tried the game without any addons installed

what fun is it shitting on people if you cant read their rage

i dont know about raids, really, but in terms of leveling Classic absolutely is harder. Being attacked by multiple mobs is usually a death sentence and you have to conserve mana much more carefully.

>the mechanics
???
>aoe attack
>mobs summon
>aoe attack cone
>smashing ground
>invencibility gimmick
>1hitko attack that you need to stop doing gimmick
Every raid boss is the fucking same

this is where the retail fags are right. leveling is unironically more fun in retail than classic. everything in classic feels like it takes longer than it should.

Well game like this are not for you.

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>go past lava packs without resist fire
What the fuck is this shit?

Not dying of boredom is the hardest.
Quest density drastically drops off after level 45, I remember leveling my rogue on a private server by grinding nagas on the azshara beach for like 6+ levels while watching 2 seasons of stargate on the other screen. And then grinding undead under karazhan for the last 4 levels while watching another season.

Every game is same if you simplify everything for sake of shitposting.

>leveling is unironically more fun in retail than classic
no it isn't, retail leveling is fucking wank and purposely kept in a shit state to encourage people buying character boosts

Rag lasts a week on every blizzlike fresh private. Everyone who isn't retarded knew he would die at the end of the first week and you were even told who would do it.
Nef is going to die on the very first night they open BWL, too.

>people can kill the boss they've been farming for years faster than the brand new unsolved bosses
WOAH

Asmongold is right

What are the best themed raids?
Kara, Ulduar, AQ, ICC, SCC, Sunwell, BT, ZG, MC (only played till end of WoTLK)

bros what profession for warrior? mining blm?

Druid here, lvl 33. I have Healing Touch rank 4 and heard it's the most cost efficient heal. Should I bother with ranks 5+ until 60?

>I remember leveling my rogue on a private server by grinding nagas on the azshara beach for like 6+ levels while watching 2 seasons of stargate on the other screen. And then grinding undead under karazhan for the last 4 levels while watching another season.
comfy

reminds me of that meme pic about paladins watching porn while grindong

I never played WoW is beastmaster hunter viable in classic? I like collecting things.

reminder that raiding based endgames are always shit and have been shit in every single mmo to employ them and they are only popular for the same reason capeshit is popular; big flashy explosions attract worthless tofuchild raidcels
fuck WoW and fuck EQ for ruining everything and most importantly fuck everyone whos brain is irrevocably damaged by the complete cancer that is the raid based endgame
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>Asmongold damage controlling for Method

Honestly who the fuck cares? Vanilla was never hard, just you didn't have all the QoL you have today, powerful computers, addons, discord, youtube videos and countless attempts made on private servers. Modern wow raids are infinitely harder except that everything else is a pile of fucking fuming shit.

I hope you're not talking about Method because they just sponsored a bunch of private server players to compete under their name. The actual retail guild Method is competing in the MDI right now and hasn't started anything in Classic because of that.

Rogues have zero aoe in classic, except one talent in the combat tree that allows you to hit 1 extra target for 20% damage

people would buy boosts in classic if it was offered. the first 15 levels or so in classic are insanely fucking boring

Classic WoW is gonna end up dead in a year or two, hopefully people will finally realize it was a small, elist group of rose-tinted nostalgia fags spamming the forums

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i stand by my 3 month prediction
it might not formally die then but there will be no question at that point that it is simply a failure with no future

You guys clearly haven't played. The Classic hype and strength remains at an all time high, in-game this very moment. Thousands of players are seeking groups for literally everything 24/7 on my medium pop realm.
Even my bro that never was able to like WoW before is genuinely starting to enjoy it.

3 months

In 3 months you'll still be a kiss less virgin

maybe, but ill also be right :^)

Mages are to Classic what Huntards were to Vanilla, prove me wrong.

MC was a joke.

Later Raids like AQ40 or Naxx were hardcore AF.

C'Thun was literally impossible and the best guilds in the world just yelled at Blizzard for months to nerf him and make him actually beatable.

>hardcore
a 40 man raid cant be hardcore but its not possible to assemble 40 hardcore individuals in one place

raiding is by definition casual, even in EQ it was casual as the only hardcore people were the ones camping the spawn, not the rest of the guild

Virginity makes all of your opinions invalid. Even if you are right.

How do you manage to believe classic will die in couple months when you exist in the same world as the countless vanilla private servers did? Don't underestimate the autism of vanilla diehards.

Not him, but please leave Yea Forums.

there are games from the 90s who still have running servers, you don't call them alive just because they have a tiny playerbase.

It will be clear its doomed by then. The population will have shrunk considerably, people will start to have a sense that something is not right.

Remember the 'normal player falloff after the first month' is a coping mechanism for fanboys. Every single good mmo in history saw its population grow, not shrink, for a considerable time post launch. That is the pattern of a good, successful game. Every mmo who starts having player dropoff early on is dead already and just doesnt know it, server merges herald the end. Blizzard avoided merging servers in retail for just this reason, it knows how bad that looks, and so they implemented all the cross server stuff. How will that be received in classic i wonder?

Don't tell me you're the kind of faggot that actually play classic for the afterthought pvp mode

Asmongold said that private server players would not beat the retail ones. He was wrong.

I'm not sure if you're shitposting or not, but I'll be very clear with my answer so you understand.

The difficulty in Classic is in the game-design, in how you approach every encounter. For example, if I pull 3 mobs of the same level, there's actually a good chance I could die. In retail, I pulled 15 mobs at once and was not even close to dying.
>But it took Azshara a week to get taken down
Yes, and she was beat instantly after being nerfed by Blizz. She was clearly too difficult to the point nobody could even defeat her. That's not hard, it was just impossible.

I do think that retail has more mechanics though, and that translates to difficulty if you're the 0.01% that doesn't use an add-on telling them what to do for every single boss attack.

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have sex.

DUDE EVERY GAME IS PRESSING BUTTONS, HOW CAN THEY BE CHALLENGING

>For example, if I pull 3 mobs of the same level, there's actually a good chance I could die
In real mmos if you pull a single mob of the same level and you are alone its probably going to kill you.

3 yellow con mobs of the same level might just wipe a full group if you aren't well prepared to fight them

>retail players don't poopsock to max level and sufficient gear in 5 days
>Classicfags "go home" and completely ruin their experience by speedrunning through the most enjoyable part of the game to get to endgame so they can afk in front of the Ironforge Auction House again like they did 15 years ago
Good game.

Methinks i'm gonna punch you in the face

>>Classicfags "go home" and completely ruin their experience by speedrunning through the most enjoyable part of the game to get to endgame so they can afk in front of the Ironforge Auction House again like they did 15 years ago
doesn't APES do the same thing on every open private server? Sounds like they're having fun to me

bfa content is normally cleared in one week by hardcore poopsock players.

>Fell for the Warlock meme
Why is this allowed?
You said I'd be invincible in PvP. You said I'd be great in PvE too.
So far, at the early 30s this class has been trash.
>Void Walker can't hold aggro for shit
>No movement abilities, slow as shit, can't escape from anything
>Can't fight most other classes besides Paladins and Warriors
>Hunters can just sit there shooting you with their pet on you and you'll guaranteed lose
>Mages just wait for you to cast fear, silence you, and lock you out of 90% of your spells for 8 seconds, in which time you'll be dead
>Rogues and druids just wait till you're low health fighting something then kill you in seconds
>Priests aren't a major issue i suppose, haven't fought any yet though
In what world is this class OP? Is it just a level 60 thing? Because at this level there's 0 chance of you killing a mage. Literally 0.

>In real mmos if you pull a single mob of the same level and you are alone its probably going to kill you.
Well, it depends on the tier of the mob. You've got normal, rare and elite.

So what is the plan now? Farm MC for the next 6 months until BWL?

>Imagine playing 24/7 racing to beat old content that nobody cares about.

>In real mmos if you pull a single mob of the same level and you are alone its probably going to kill you.
What horrible design.

Quit because "there's nothing to do"
Fucking watch.

HAVE. SEX.

no, we have to complain to blizzard so they release super hardcore mythic raids like they have in bfa, which will be cleared in 7 days. Then we'll complain that these esport faggots don't have enough to do.

rogue, mage and druid are the only classes that can escape reliably from an overpull

Do warriors really become strong at 60? I feel like I'll just get kited to shit.

>t. casual player

Warriors go from a 2.5 on a 10 point scale when solo, to an 11 with gear and a healer, 13 if that healer is paladin.

Please refrain from posting until you're over eighteen.

Use fear retard. And you'll get death coil and a damage absorb shield from your void walker. And later on a 30% damage reduction if you're demo. Warlocks get good at 60 with some gear and scale all the way to naxx. Hunters are good in the beginning but are nothing special by naxx. But of course, a good hunter will always beat a bad warlock.

I'm 24. Now have sex, incel.

>LOOK THEY DID IT FASTER THAN THOSE OTHER GUYS DID
Good for them. Meanwhile i'm in Blasted Lands leveling alonside with horde, nice people those

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Leveling and PvP IS vanilla.
Raiding is a means to PvP harder.

What does somebody reaching end game for this phase have to do with me or my experience with the game?
Why is this tranny spamming these threads?
Literally tell me why somebody clearing MC is supposed to make me sad in any way possible, because I'm not seeing it.
>Speedrunner runs through BoTW and kills ganon in sub 5 minutes
>OMG LOL WHY EVEN PLAY

This. Only a retard falls for the infinite gear treadmill. The entire point of gear is to show it off by killing people with it. Without that then who gives a shit about getting bigger numbers just to kill the same boss faster.

>its not harder because it was cleared faster!

Its because people know the fucking script in the back of their head. It was the same case for Everquest raid targets that originally took months to clear but by the time progression servers were introduced it took less than two weeks for the most hardcore to clear

Hey guys, what talent tree is best for hunters? I'm not sure if I should go markmanship or beast mastery.

bm for lvling, marksman later

locks are fucking easymode leveling
if your vw is pulling aggro you're either retarded or didn't buy new ranks of taunt
just drop your dots, send the vw, then pull a second mob
it's that fucking easy

Wow, a fucking adult that has the vocabulary of a 14 year old girl on twitter. So do you spend your free time calling random faggots on Yea Forums incels?What could have gone wrong in your life to make you end up like this?

>fun is objective
>anyone doing anything different from my perception of fun is fucking wrong

Actually end your life.

Fucking noob

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Oh wow, a group of professionals who've played the game for like 15 years know how to play through the game's content?
The game is considerably easier if you play with a group, solo you'll be raped if you pull more than 2 mobs

>C'Thun was literally impossible and the best guilds in the world just yelled at Blizzard for months to nerf him and make him actually beatable.

And Blizzard told them to stop crying and learn to play, truely a different time.

I don't think it makes much sense for a rereleased game to steadily increase in players over time. I believe the population will shrink and then stagnate for the next couple years until Blizzard inevitably rereleases BC, since profiting off nostalgia is the new hip thing.

>classic will be the real hardcore wow experience, only the strong will survive
>people will never get to 60 in the first week
>people will never get a full 40 man raid group to enter molten core in the first month
>theres no way a bunch of people will kill the first bosses in MC in the first month
>yeah ok they killed a few bosses in MC but they will never get the rep required to summon rag within the first month
>rag is just a punching bag, there wont be a group to kill onyxia within the first month
YOU ARE HERE
>its just 1.12 talents that are busted
>aq40 will not be cleared within one lockout
>theres no way naxxramas will be cleared within one lockout, people need to farm frost res to even progress beyong saphiron
>kel'thuzad is the only boss that matters in naxx, theres no way people will kill him in under 5 pulls
>lmao you really thought people cared about naxx? just wait for TBC, thats when the game will get hard!

>

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Not him, but have sex

>6
what about fun wojack nigger

lol epic troll

How does this affect on pug raids? Now that it is proven that you wont be needing even close to best in slot pre-raid gear?

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The only really good thing about classic raiding is it got weird sometimes. It wasn't afraid to have a boss that would literally just break your weapon if you fucked up or force you to have 8 fully geared tanks for one fight since nothing was standardized until BC. But MC had zero mechanics because it was designed in like 2 weeks.

First ragnaros kill: 155 days

Anyone else tired of all the contention and shitposting?

>lol retailcucks BTFO by based classic 1 million streams LMAO
>lol classic numbers dropping slightly BTFO by BASED RETAIL
>lol classic realms all full again RETAILFAGS BTFO
>lol Method BTFO by based private server chads RAG WORLD FIRST LOL
>lol vanilla was actually ez classiccucks BTFO by BASED RETAIL lol

It's like no one cares about anything anymore and sincerity has totally died and been replaced by irony and detachment, I fucking hate it. I thought classic would be a fun thing that brought people together, but everyone is just shitposting back and forth from every angle, everyone falseflagging as everyone else, it's just a clusterfuck of negativity.

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Any of you low-IQ zoomers that think classic is anything like vanilla are deluded and you should kill yourselves. You're a bunch of guide reading, min maxing faggots with every addon in the book to hold your hand

>people that have no idea how to play video games take forever to learn to play video games
woahohoHOHHHOH
reminder in 2006 everyone thought oblivion was the most complex game ever fucking made

you don't know shit about what you're talking about. the void walker cannot hold aggro for shit and yes i am buying new ranks of its fucking abilities. the moment they become available no less.

this is phase 1 only, phase 2 gonna be a disaster
screencap this

>Anyone else tired of all the contention and shitposting?
What shitposting? Are you going to pretend this board wasn't turned into one giant "VANILLA WAS HARD RETAILKEKS WILL DIE WE ARE GOING HOME" shitfest by nostalgic retards? And now that their delusions are shattered we should just let it slide and pretend like months of pure cancer didn't happen?

> that think classic is anything like vanilla
Next level of cope.

if anyone's still fucking playing it

speak english nigger

That's just Yea Forums though, if you're not here for the shitpost you're better off the board

Maybe if you guys hadn't spent the last decade shitting on every single live version of WoW because it wasn't exactly like your beloved Classic then people wouldn't want to attack it.

Now your version is live again and people are able to actually experience it and see the flaws instead of having to listen to your nostalgia-blinded memories of how perfect it was.

FFXI was nothing like that though?

That was because BLIZZARD rushed the job and Only increased the Bosses HP instead of balancing their skills, also Wotlk NAXX lacks a lot of shit like Maul of the Redeemed crusader and such, which were replaced with some retard shit like >pic

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It IS perfect, and MC was just a statistical abberation. Randos won't be clearing BWL right off the bat, and Naxx likely won't be cleared for months. It was THE hardest raiding experience WoW has ever had.

>classic isnt classic
lol cope harder

It's not. They obviously nerfed it severely to make it more appealing to zoomers and retail players.

I played it back in the good old days and it was MUCH, MUCH harder than this.

>Randos won't be clearing BWL right off the bat
Bosses in BWL have 1 mechanic only. There is 0 difference between BWL and MC in terms of complexity.

It was harder though. If MC took, what, six days to clear(?) then BWL will take at least a fortnight and Naxx at least a month.

they will all be cleared week 1

this
why do retards always and only focus on this one aspect of an ENTIRE game

Yea Forums used to have somewhat cohesive dialog years gone by, until retards like you decided to come here because of its reputation and nothing else.

MC took 2 hours to clear. people dont have to level up in order to clear BWL by the time it opens. also you will have people in pre-BWL bis by the it releases. it will be a complete joke.

>If MC took, what, six days to clear(?)
2 hours, actually.

They won't though. Not all of them.

You're forgetting about a certain boss that was mathematically impossible to beat even if in the best gear with a literal TAS raid performance. It was like this for months before being fixed.

This is our Trump card. Blizzard better not nerf it on release and keep it unbeatable for the months it was originally.

I cannot believe this shit.
Not even meming, this took me a long ass time to admit to myself, but I have turned into 1 massive bitch. I used to PvP and PK people non stop, without remorse back when I played games like Pre-Cata WoW, Lineage 2, UO and a bunch of other random MMOs. I'd PvP all the fucking time and I wouldn't give the slightest fuck about how the other person felt.
Now though? It's almost like I'm fucking scared to engage people. I don't know what's come over me. Only reason I'm even saying this is because this place is anonymous, this is genuinely embarrassing as fuck for me and even typing this is making me cringe at myself.
I keep saying to myself 'okay, next time I see somebody from the other faction, just attack them immediately, no hesitation, no waiting for them to backstab you when you pull one too many mobs' and then when I do see somebody I FUCKING DON'T DO SHIT. I can't snap out of it, this has happened for multiple days now, I literally keep doing it. 'Okay next time for sure, I'll definitely attack', nope I don't do shit again.
It's like I don't want to deal with the hassle of them ressing and fighting me back and disturbing my questing.
Fucking hell what a little bitch, I don't even know why I'm writing this here because what are you gonna do to help the situation? Obviously the only thing you can do is say 'just attack them then lmao' which is obviously the answer and yet I for some reason can't do it.
Embarrassing.

Vanilla/Classic is a joke and easy, just accept it faggots

>retards like you
But you're mistaken though, I'm just used to this being Yea Forums now.
You're not going back whether you like it or not.

are you implying sm farming for leveling wasn't a thing in vanilla?

Care to substantiate that claim?

thats a sing of low testosterone user.

>You're forgetting about a certain boss that was mathematically impossible to beat even if in the best gear with a literal TAS raid performance.
One of the private servers released pre-nerf C'Thun and it was cleared the day it was released lmao

Abuse of layering mechanics, hence why jokerzd got 60 so fast

sign*

He's right, private server poopsockers will tear through everything day 1. They've been playing nothing but vanilla for years. "Randos" however will never beat it, or anything.

>Guild takes down both MC and Onyxia in a day
>OH NONONONONO
>Guild continuously wipes in 40-50 instances
>OHNONONONO
It's nice seeing both sides of the shitposting.

marks is the way to go if you have easy access to level bis gear, but if you don't bm will carry you.

I wouldn't even doubt it at this point. I'm ruining my own experience by actively trying to avoid confrontation and the worst thing is I don't even know if I'll be able to change things.

This. Tedium is not difficulty and I’m so fucking sick of people who have built their entire WoW identity over how hard and stupid Vanilla was and soft retail fags will never enjoy it.

This is 4channel, newfag

wtf you didn't just get to level 60 to one shot level 20s and ruin their day?

Man I really don't understand this whole mentality about getting to endgame. Like, what's the fucking point? You know what's going to happen? Let me tell you what's going to happen. Everyone who's rushing to endgame will get there and then realize they have nothing else to do, and quit. And all they will have accomplished is some arbitrary status that they believe they have due to it. In reality they're just wasting their time not enjoyijng the actual game.

Me? I'm a casual player, and I say it proudly. I don't use addons, I don't care about my level, I don't give two craps about my gear, I put my talents into random points whose icons I like, and I absolutely enjoy the fuck of out of this game. The best thing about it is just talking with random peple, or journeying with them, and having adventures. This is something apparently only a few % of people understand, and we're the only ones that will actually stay in this game long term, and we're the only ones that will actually have fun.

Enjoy your absolutely soulless way of approaching this game.

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Why do you care so much if you die in an encounter? Every 1v1 in wpvp is imbalanced

its classic , you are allowed to be an asshole just like in old times , these new ''report systems'' and zoomers that can't take a banter or a lose and cry if they don't get their epic loot may be the cause.

I only played like 5h so far because I have 20k queues into my server every day so I just teamviewer myself into a queue at 11am to play maybe an hour in the evening : )

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:)

That's the retail mindset fostered since BC.
Starting in BC everything was a bout raiding, in classic it was just one of the many forms of endgame you could participate in.
Like that APES beat Method, but it doesn't affect my gameplay at all.

Mining/Skinning to 40 (or until you can afford mount), drop skinning for engineering, then drop mining for alchemy once you hit 300 engineering. (Feed herbs with hunter farm alt.)

>I thought classic would be a fun thing that brought people together
It is. Get off Yea Forums and go play the game, you'll see it. Yea Forums (and the internet in general, really) will always be contrarian against whatever's popular, so looking for positivity here is a fool's errand. I'm personally curious as to what Classic's staying power is myself, but I'm loving the shit out of it right now so I don't care.

They will all be cleared. Week. One.

christ the look on this guys' face today
imagine

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Only retarded ass retail fags play classic for world firsts. No one cares.

source for this post, please.

before they delete it out of shame

>One of the many forms of endgame
For example?

>reddit tourist doesn't know how to greentext
yikes

talking with friends
and
oh
oh no

The difficulty game from herding 40 people into a raid and 30 of them being absolute dead weight because nobody had an inkling on how to play.
Not surprised that this happened.

it took them 1 week

which many may consider an achievement, but it could also be considered a flaw, due to how simple the whole instance is and extra dev time would of went a long way to making fights more mechanically interesting.

>Yea Forums hates retail
>Classic comes out
>Yea Forums suddenly loves retail
I hate you contrarian autists so much.

mmo-champion.com/threads/2495779-How-are-week-1-rag-kills-possible-Am-I-missing-something
the whole thread is a goldmine

user, I have some bad news for you, if you aren't enjoying the levelling, you're probably not going to enjoy the endgame.

Pvp, mount collecting, pet collecting, economy running, wpvp, the arena.
Raiding is where the majority of the pve audience goes, but until BC it wasn't seen as the only possible way to play the game.
>nb4 *gameply I don't like* OHNONONONO
>nb4 you don't nb4 your own post
Despite Yea Forums's complete obsession with making things people like seem shitty, other people achieving something in a game doesn't invalidate the game.

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nobody is saying retail is good, we're just saying it's time to take your rose tinted glasses off because classic was shit too (for different reasons)
aside from wpvp literally LITERALLY nothing is stopping you from doing this in any other mmo retail included

>aside from wpvp literally LITERALLY nothing is stopping you from doing this in any other mmo retail included
Okay. I want to do it in classic, because of the active wpvp and stranglethorn arena.

>op was banned

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Mount collecting was kind of worthless in Vanilla, there's only a few you can go for and they all take up bag/bank slots.
Very few pets in Vanilla to get as well, unless you want to get something like disgusting oozeling by grinding slimes all day.
Arena isn't in Vanilla.

So that just leaves BGs, world pvp and being an AH Jew.

>$15/month subs

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Having never played wow all the classic hype has made me unironically interested in trying retail mostly because the idea of classic is stupid and I know it'll fizzle out fast.

leveling in wow was shit at launch too. Its solo quest grinding system is just crap and its to blame for destroying mmo communities

blizzard has been doing nothing but working on new ways to hide the fact that they're time gating content from people who rush through it, but whenever the veil slips, everyone gets pissed off and says the expansion sucks

>Man I really don't understand this whole mentality about getting to endgame. Like, what's the fucking point? You know what's going to happen? Let me tell you what's going to happen. Everyone who's rushing to endgame will get there and then realize they have nothing else to do, and quit. And all they will have accomplished is some arbitrary status that they believe they have due to it. In reality they're just wasting their time not enjoyijng the actual game.
This is the problem with the WoW model, unfortunately people seem to think thats just how mmos work.

Your solution is also retarded though because there is nothing good to do in wow but progress through the zones and then try to raid, thats literally all it is. Its been a dead world from day 1 compared to real mmos.

Ive hated the game since realizing this shortly after it launched. Ive watched all these years as its destroyed the genre.

Im so happy people finally are realizing its always been shit

>all this fucking COPING

The game is flopping already. It’ll be dead in a couple of months and even the most committed copers will be bored of it.

>Retairds
Tsk.

>Abuse of layering mechanics
OH NONONONONO

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>Play WoW classic in a private server
>Realize how garbage the game is
>Uninstall after 2 hours
Wow...

>Play the same game for free for 15 years
>Wonder why the majority of people that came to try it don’t want to stick around

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If people enjoy playing a certain way that doesn't impact another players experience thats fine, stop being autistic.

The people who rush to 60 play the game for endgame exclusively, ranking to 14, reps, gear farming and obviously raiding. It happens on every game and every mmo, thats just how they enjoy the game. Not everyones a noob and not everyones an experienced player, and thats ok. Vanilla offers content for everyone and you can chose your pace when aiming to complete the content.

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>well known mechanics and encounters
>being completed by people who had either completed them before or could watch others who did
>fair point of comparison
Time for suicide

>Rush to the same endgame for 15 years
>Now you only have to pay for it.

Keep coping

WotLK nax was essentially unchanged beyond the # of players allowed into the raid from Vanilla to WotLK. I'm not even memeing. The damage values were goddamn near unchanged.

The casuals you are talking about in EQ still had to get up in the middle of the night when the batphone rang and the contested boss was up.

Is this a bad thing?

Bingo. Vael was the first legitimately difficult execution fight in WoW raiding. For Pserver raiders he won't be that difficult because you already know the mechanics for Burning Adrenaline and the forced tank swaps. But Vael the Guildbreaker is going to have a lot more notches to his belt once people start getting Razorgore down.

Wow you are fucking terrible... everyone is a free kill when you play as a warlock until the warrior get AQ 2hander then they become your only bad matchup.

Nah but it does illustrate how Naxx 40 was tuned.

compare to hardcore games where you must grind constantly in infinite progression just to keep your relative power
marathon techniques, conserving body energy, optimizing actions to let you play longer, actually resulting in physical damage to your body. These are the things that make one hardcore
To be hardcore requires sacrificing everything for the game

post em lads

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After playing WoW Classic, I finally understand ASSFAGGOTS. Literally the only good part of this game is the PVP, and I can do that immediately in Dota.
>Shit writing
>Shit quest design
>Downright fucking retarded loot system
>Incredibly slow walk speed
>Unless you're a tank, leveling consists of burst damaging 1-2 boars, then waiting thirty-forty seconds to eat/drink
>Do this exact same thing like a thousand times
>Dungeons designed by an autist that you're supposed to "run" dozens of times until it's a formality
There are people who have played this game consistently since 2004 and given Blizzard over $3000 each to keep playing this fucking awful video game.

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Does this mean that if you could get 40 lvl60s to run wotlk nax it would be the same? Because that sounds autistic and fun

Cope about what? Anyone who isn't a fucking retard knew that rag would be down week 1, dilate you mentally ill tranny

Post what?

Stranglethorn Arena. The ffa arena.

damage control

Are Kazzak and the dragon in the game already or are they with BWL?

>Th-They knew it would g-go down in a week...
Cmon man really?

But he's correct, Method aren't even playing Classic WoW.

Dont forget that in doing so they also ensured that every single mmo ever from now on will be identical in everything but appearance

Miss rates, wouldn't work. The trash mobs would crit/crush constantly. You're going to an illogical extreme.

Naxx 40 was tuned to be super hard, but Naxx 25 using the same #s turns out to be easy (but still capable of wiping groups lel).

they were, they had a "race to world first 60" stream and everything

Menstruate

I don't think it's a problem, they can play the game anyway they like it. I'm just saying they'll be the ones who quit early, and I'll be going around questing and having fun because I can let go of trying to be the best or whatever the fuck it is these people want

They're hosting streamers, most of them don't play retail WoW. Their actual players can't play Classic WoW because it'd eat into their retail time. You'll notice the lack of their main raiders in the stream.

>tranny
Just lol, it’s the Reddit trannies and poofters that are shilling this classic bollocks

Moving the goalpost huh!

Whats a good english speaking EU horde realm?

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>implying
world first for the current tier is over and done with, the next raid won't be out for 6+ months. i'd be hard pressed to believe method is still farming azerite power every hour of every day

I really don't think Method was actually trying jard (like they would in retail) to get WF; but I also think they didn't expect the gap due to experience on private servers to be this big.

1.12 talents retard

I guarantee they're still doing their weekly maintenance shit on retail. But more importantly, what that post is missing is that it is indeed the period between raids where these super-hardcore guilds typically take it very easy. I'd be surprised if many people actually wanted to ruin their leisure period by poopsocking for rag wf.

I'm not sure what they're doing now but some of them said they can't play it because they're focusing on retail. But the few ones who are actually playing are in other guilds and not going for world firsts.

Classic... home...

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I keep hearing this 15 years bullshit. It doesn't matter, mechanics wise this raid is easier than LFR and you certainly dont need 15 years of experience to oneshot classic raids.

Best level 20 leveling zone for alliance? Not looking to get raped by horde but it seems inevitable

>period between raids where these super-hardcore guilds typically take it very easy. I'd be surprised if many people actually wanted to ruin their leisure period by poopsocking for rag wf.
This exposes how much of a farce the modern mmo is; People claiming to be hardcore having leisure time away from the game.

Molten core was stupidly easy, and by the time of 1.12 people were doing 5 man Onyxia.
Shit gets insane in Naxx and AQ40

But APES will go through because years of poopsocking Private server experience and now abuse of layering mechanics will pay more.
They did their homework, and now Method and retailfags will SEETHE because of it, And blizzard will love it because if we EVER get Classic+ they will play on making new raids but using modern mechanics adapted to 40man.
After all its still the same engine with vsync disabled.

>It doesn't matter
Clearly it does if the people who aren’t actively trying make it to world first in the first week of release

You know classic was only good because we had less of this pretend hardcore trash, and streamer trash right? Dumb zoomers

Duskwood

>Shit gets insane in Naxx and AQ40
>person who got world first MC clear said on stream that AQ and Naxx are super easy, will be cleared day 1 and people are just full of nostalgia
OH NO NO NO NO BROS THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

Don’t play a pvp server if you don’t want pvp.

I mean, during progress they play like 20 hours every day and the amount of planning (or in more recent times, azerite farming) that goes on beforehand is crazy. If you actually had to keep that level of commitment up for weeks or months, people would burn out super fast. Competing for world first is an ebb and flow sort of thing, during progress the game is your life, after progress you can take it easy.

I'm not sure how serious your post was but if you want to put it that way, I guess you can.

>Getting ganked and camped all day is PvP bros

Again, if you don’t want that to happen, don’t play on a pvp server. It’s literally optional and you’re still crying about it.

>It’s optional to eat shit daily bros

>If you actually had to keep that level of commitment up for weeks or months, people would burn out super fast
yet people did this
the hardcore people
i was not one of them, but i will continue to honor their memory
some even died

post 'em lads

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When there are servers dedicated to the opposite choice, yes.

We reached the point in time where people take pride in having played the old version of game that is just there to keep you addicted so they can suck out your money on a monthly basis. In 10 years people will pridefully claim to have played some gacha game.

Golemagg

Is that some deep set denial? Because I think that’s some deep set denial.
>lol PvP happens on a PvP server
>so what if I like wasting my time waiting to respawn and get ganked?

Going in blind, picked undead mage, are alchemist and herbalist wrong choices?

Common people will take a week or 2 to get through all of it, its 1.12.3
But APES being the good Poopsockers that they are will do it in less than a day or two if they go full neckbeard.

now i will continue playing classic, because like MORROWIND, this game is gold and better than any shit that blizzard did from mid Wrath until now.

You spam instances to level from 15-100. Then you quest in Legion and BFA since they decided to lock a ton of important shit behind questing starting with Legion.

As somebody who raided through the game since day 1, vanilla bosses arent even in the same league as mythic bosses in retail. I assure you people, youd cry in frustration on your 500th azshara mythic attempt because somebody died early during first sanctions again. Ragnaros half the group can afk and you can still down it in a few attempts if youve never even seen it. Every retail mythic boss from wod on has absolutely diabolic mechanics, some far worse than anything you could concoct.

Are you being ironic or trying to be

The hardest part is over, which are getting to 60 and clearing the 2 raids with leveling gear ASAP. Every raid from now on will be cleared within hours of release.

Getting camped by level 40 poopsockers is not PvP you fool

Because EP is on private servers that apes have worked on for 5 years.

Was APES the guild where that discord screenshot made the round, the leader telling everyone that if they can't get to level 15 on the beta in like 2 (or something) they're out of the guild because they can't get ahead of the pack?

Now if only the team raping assholes with boss mechanics could make good quests

I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. PVP, and ganking, are both 100% optional if you don’t play on a PVP server. Nobody likes getting ganked, but it comes with the territory of playing a PVP server. Either accept it, or play a server with no danger of it. It’s really just that simple.

>install questie to seek out low level quests
>helping people who are half my level, getting nothing out of it but thanks
>walking in cities, going to the library, reading the books
>training up different weapon skills, making engineering trinkets to basically give away
>roleplaying a Dwarf hunter that's pushing 200+ years old
>have almost 2 days of playtime and only 17

Just finished up every quest that isn't a repeatable level 1 quest in Elwynn Forest, Dun Morogh, and loch Modan. I have a few quests i missed in ironforge but ocne I finish those i'll go down and do Westfall, and finally do my first dungeon run through the deadmines. Honestly I'm having more enjoyment right now just enjoying the world with 0 rush expected of me. FFXIV is an end-game grind where you just levle up all your jobs to fight the same 5 bosses in different ways, and Retail is a glorified mobile game where if you "fall behind" you're ruined.

In some ways I regret not getting into wow until my 20s when cata dropped. In others though, I'm glad i can experience better says while knowing what we have now, it makes me appreciate the good things more. Here's to Classic.

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Nah it's not denial, just plain old cluelessness. For most people that have never played on private servers (and even those who do who never paid attention to the races) all they know about classic leveling and raiding is what they experienced back in the day.

IT'S NOT FUCKING WEEK 1 THE GAME HAS BEEN OUT 15 YEARS

And what will they do in a month when even the slow players reach 60 and clear Rag first try?

reminder that Method has money and gfs, APES are neets with no gfs

Even better solution. Don’t play the game at all and save that $15 for something to eat

>tfw you just resign yourself to becoming a memelord in general chat like everybody else

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>classic is fun if you're autistic

That sounds correct yeah

>coping this hard
Go grind SM CATH or something.

Everyone wins when good food is involved, it’s true.

Classic WoW is a good thing. Players can play retail for a good PVE experience and can play Classic for a good PvP experience.

how about resigning yourself to having fun? and stop playing the game when its no longer fun

>God Tier vanilla guild doesn't think 15 year old content they've been farming forever is difficult
Truly shocking.

>Common people will take a week or 2
That is going to be interesting, because I think 99% of the common people will never clear those raids in their fucking lives. Or AQ, BWL or MC or Onyxia. In fact I don't think common people will even make it to 60.

>Paying $15 for 3 minutes of fun
I’d go pay your sister for that instead

>for a good PvP experience.
>forced to play with 400ms because blizzard decided to keep spell batching and melee leeway so the autistic "no change" retards stop screeching
Yeah, I sure fucking love playing as if I have dial up internet.

You know you don't have to shit into your hands and clap if you don't enjoy shitting and clapping.

>play classic
>leveling is just as dull as retail except everything takes forever due to no mounts, multiple flightpoints within a zone and just the general quest strucutre
>feels okay I guess
>finally get to do a dungeon, DM
>very excited
>turns out it's just as dull and slow with manabreaks every (other) pull

I mean I guess I'm having fun, but the rose-tinted glasses have lost a bit of their gloss.
Oh and another vaguely related thing, we had a couple of bad pulls in the dungeon that I distinctly remember being 100% wipes back in vanilla (stuff like the pat joining from behind while you're already fighting or extra goblins adding in the forge room), but now in Classic we didn't wipe once. Couple of dicy situations, but nothing crazy. I guess everyone really did suck ass back in vanilla.

Your retarded mouthbreathing logic killed Guild Wars 2 and is about to kill every MMORPG genre out there. I hate shitkids like you wholeheartedly .

which 3 minutes is fun? everything is fun up until the hardcore raiding, which is where i quit WoW originally. raids are cool in theory but people treat them like a second job or are just retarded so anything harder than Onyxia was just dreadful

Ah, so to succeed and not be a laughingstock I need to avoid money and girls. It makes sense now.

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Same here, I was a normie when it came out and finally I can enjoy this shit. Never played any wow, never checked any guide.
You all ruin your games like you are ruining your lives, it's all on you.

Vanilla always was slow on low level tho, why did you expect otherwise?

>which 3 minutes is fun?
When she starts sucking

Okay, I’ll bite

Where are these superior MMOs?

classic made me realize how i want a good retail addon to happen after the mess that is BFA
thankfully the expansion after BFA will be made by team-A again so atleast i have something to look forward to

New Classic Content WHEN?!?

It's not that I expected it to be fast, I expected it to be more fun. Instead it's the same old shit except really slow.

>signing up to getting corpse camped by APES
wew

>thankfully the expansion after BFA will be made by team-A again so atleast i have something to look forward to
Stop fucking doing this to yourself

your age?

horde have dreamstate

None of them because ESO, WoW and FF14 are copying Each other and sinking lower than the HMS Hood.

lmao, 40 turbo autists rushing the game and the dungeons/raids makes my enjoyment worse? how?

also everyone knows these raids, there have been guides for them for years, why would you think turbo autists wouldn't be able to do them when they launch?

>feel a MMORPG itch
>remember WoW classic
>pay subscription, create an undead priest
>at the initial area
>invite someone to a party
>we start doing a quest together
>get 6 hawk wings and 6 wolf ass
>after killing 15+ hawks and 10+ wolfs I still only have 2 wings and 1 ass
>meanwhile my partner got the 6/6
>panic about how I am dragging him down
>also feel like the game was unfair to me
>quit the game
did I do wrong

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Cope

This fight surely demands months of practice
twitch.tv/videos/475127161?t=09m12s

actual autist

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Your reddit comments are lame

>horde warlock crying about pvp

kys or get gud

use a script you dumb nigger

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This isn't for you user.

Back in the days I loved this game because of how immersed it made me feel, it didn't even feel like a game, everything was so organic, from the interactions to the world. The "game" layer of the game was really thin.

Nowadays the "game" is everything, so much so that there is no interaction in BFA, people have no reason to communicate, you don't know anyone in the server... and so on.

Again, if you can't really immerse yourself in Classic, maybe the game is just not for you, go play something else.

>1.0 autist

what did he mean by this

I played vanilla back then and had fun. Don't pull this condescending act on me because I'm not completely fuelled by nostalgia.

>mfw raids proven to be easy
>Mfw it will mean more PUGs for said raids
GUILDLESS CHADS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT

>I played during v-vanilla

Lie and cope a little harder, retailcuck :)

Not as lame as Classic

Warriors and Mage are the two strongest dps in classic
Why you think Apes raid was literally 32 people which 5 of these were healers and the other 27 were basically 50% Mages and 50% Warriors? Because they are just that strong and it allowed them to clear tier1 severly undergeared too

enjoy people rolling need on EVERYTHING

dilate resetranny, I'm not the one mad at a videogame for no reason lmao

By the time enough people are hitting 60 everyone will have no choice but to take meme specs just to have enough bodies to fill a raid at all

now post the onyxia kill where 7 frost mages sit perfectly still in a corner for 80% of the fight and hit nothing but frostbolt

So this is what coping looks like

hurr durr

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Blizzard should investigate APES and if any of them didn't type at least 1,000 words to others players while on their journey to 60, they should be banned.

Lmao this retailcuck, he's mad because the game is slow but he said he played it before.

Either you played and you already knew this or you're lying, what for? To win an internet discussion?

>streamer
literally, and unironically, get mental help. or suicide

Cope harder Methodfag, private server chads already won.

They did the same in Ragnaros too if you see
>stay still in one spot unless absolutely have to move
>Frostbolt Frostbolt Frostbolt Frostbolt
>oh fire elementals spawned
>Blizzard
>They are dead? Ok
>Frostbolt Forstbolt Frostbolt Frostbolt
FUN

>I’ll pull up a crop with no other identifiers in the hopes people don’t see through my deception

Or the game is simply not as good as I remember it/didn't age all that well? You fags are so fucking insecure.

It's the first transaction in my bnet account history brainlet.

Okay. So what’s the name of your Bnet?

It was fun because Frostbolt actually had WEIGHT to it, unlike retail. Cope and seethe a little harder, retailcuck.

You're the one insecure, you're the fag going like "OH WHY CAN PEOPLE ENJOY WHAT I'M NOT ENJOYING WHERE'S MY FORTNITE MUHNICRAFT??!?!?"

Kek

>had WEGHT
The fuck it even means? Is this how you cope with literal the most brainless stage of WoW PvE?
It had WEIGHT LMAO

I didn't say anything like that. All I did was describe my experience playing Classic so far, then got jumped by you fags.

What would you like to know?

The name of your battle net, my dude.

cope and dilate retailtranny.

for what
I dont want weirdo stalkers

Reminder that Classicucks are helping fund future expansions for retail.

To prove that you’re actually an old fag. Just posting a receipt with the name cut off isn’t proof of anything

my btag wont help you with that though, you can't see account history or age unless you're the owner

>40 man raid
>2 piece of loot
Is this a joke or what?

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based classicucks

back to fortnite kid

so THIS is why they cleared the exact same raid for 15 years

You think people were memeing when they talk about farming MC and Onyxia for over 3 months?

>Oblivion - chains hanging from ceilings are affected by physics and can be pushed around if you walk into them or even grab them
>Skyrim - chains hanging from ceilings are solid unmovable objects

Tell me again how things are progressing for the better

Hell yeah mother fucker. I will take my 2.5% chance to the BANK

WoW classic is communism simulator.

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you know these autists have cleared this raid about 2000 times each at this point, right? they can do it in their sleep.

This is why FFXIV is superior to WoW

Onyxia dropped 3+the bag and of course the head to start the quest

when OSRS launched, was the end-game content cleared quickly?
id imagine it would take a bit longer in that game considering how long it takes to get your skill lvls up

So this is the hardcore endgame of the most hardcore hard MMO in existence...just imagine how fast the game will die once everyone hit lvl 60

thats the reason why dkp was the preferred loot distribution system in classic and not loot council.

There wasn't really an endgame to OSRS besides maxing which did take muuuuch longer than a week.

when you attempt to enforce an idea that everyone was saying this was the hardest mmo ever, it detracts from any point you're trying to make.

A (You) I can agree with, they make good ones on occasion but not nearly enough.

Doesn't really count since RuneScape was never a real MMO in the first place

LOL

I had the most DKP and still had to wait ~4 months for a fucking mageblade to drop. Fuck doing any of that shit again.

Well Mythic and Mythic+ being hard with actual mechanics fair and unfair is the whole point
>LFR for patch tourists and casuals who gives absolutely no fucks and want to just see how the story progress
>standard for tourists and people who want to start moving into PvE
>heroic for getting a first tase of actual PvE
>Mythic and Mythic+ for Dante Must Die bullshit moments
It's not a bad system at all

Of all the complaints against retail, of which there are innumerable valid ones, LFR "destroying the community" is and has always been the dumbest. Most people still committed enough to raid on WoW are likely playing with the same people they played vanilla with. You always know the other raiding guilds on the server, keep tabs and compete in a friendly way, and sometimes even sub in for each other when you miss your own raid because of real life shit. LFR literally had no impact on anything apart from sometimes having the better looking set colors, which is bullshit.

Except it really IS a bad system. Letting people see all the content without ever working for it just cheapens the experience and ruins the ability for most of the community to set goals and achieve things in game. Yeah sure, it's nicer for the ultra-hardcore who get reasonable challenges. 1% of the population benefits while 80% of the populations experience is made worse.

LFR is an extension of dungeon finder, one of the main reasons that the game went to shit.

>Get killed by 2 people the same level as you
>Stalk them
>They fight a monster
>Run in, dot them both, fear them both
>Watch them rot away and die
Fuck alliance scum.

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Very few people are still with original vanilla guilds, thats a true rarity. I switched guilds several times in vanilla alone.

I kill every savage I see. Proudmoore was right, death to the Horde. The lower level, the more outnumbered, the better.

>retail PvE
intense team effort, dodging and partaking in a complex network of mechanics while keeping up with your rotation consisting of a dozen spells, even battle hardened players rely on weakauras,mathematics, algorithm and shit to time everything perfectly

>classic PvE

FROST BOLT :DDDDDD

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It wasn't hard in the way you think, it was a lot more involved, you had to farm for elixirs for 40 persons to beat raids, you had to farm for specific gear resist for specific encounters, now that the whole process of discovering, experimenting and actually spending weeks figuring out the optimal strategies while wasting all your flasks and having to literally buy mats from chinese farmers (I know we did) to re-supply a whole raid for 4 hours worth of attempts, then yes it's going to be a whole lot easier.
Reminder than one Flask is about 40 plants and a black Lotus (1 spawn at a time per region with 1 hour respawn timer), can't be traded.
And don't get me started on having to farm specific nature resist gear for every single member of the raid just to survive during Huhuran while doing literally no damage.

Which class uses dozens of spells in pve?

Being a dickhead in WoW to other people is more fun than any of this homo raiding garbage.

>4 tokens per week

Frostbolt spammers in the house tonight
Let's just pretend that you're having a good time

Link your account with mythic clears or fuckoff idiot

>retail PvE
>Queue LFR and do whatever you want because the boss will die no matter what.

worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/tarren-mill/Sco

now you

>LFR is PvE guys

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Sorry you spent days on one boss only for the gear you got from it to be dropped in a LFR raid

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You haven't seen true horror until you do LFR Garrosh and LFR Kil'Jaeden, they don't just die.

>Queue LFR and do whatever you want because the boss will die no matter what.
You fucking wish. My group died 8 times on Argus.

Well what do you expect--you fags are playing the same damn game.

You guys have proven to corporations that all they have to do is slap 'Classic' on the same damn product, and you pieces of shit will eat it up.

Heaven forbid you actually ever get addicted to real drugs
>Why have Ketamine when you can have good ol' fashion Cocaine?

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Cocaine has soul, unlike your stupid zoomer drugs

Except you're paying the same damn asshole that switched to Ketamine, but still charged you Cocaine prices.

Actually, that analogy doesn't work--Blizzard pretty much sold you laundry detergent.

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Classic is an open world pvp game, retard.

Leveling's starting to lose its pizazz, boys. Is the dungeon grinding meme real? Level 42 btw.

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start having fun instead of incessantly grinding levels
work on some profs, kill some alliance, enjoi yourself.

>tfw been playing so much
>drinking so much soda/energy drink to play 20hrs a day
>tfw it caught up to me today
>shit juicy shit in my boxers

i never understood that cliche that gaymers only drink and eat shit. there is great fingerfood that isnt unhealty which you dont even have to prepear.

it’s not cliche
my ass is like a muddy river

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>playing Horde

apex cringe

disgusting. for salty stuff go for nuts and pickles. for sweet just eat dried or fresh fruits and for drinking make yourself 2L of you favourite tea. how hard is that.

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Why are XIV trannies so mad bros?

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>larping as your gay fantasy
>plebbit spacing
big time kek

even if you are coffeine addicted rater buy them in pill or drink coffee instead of that energy drink shit.

Barely passes for a man, let alone a woman.

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What does that pic have to do with WOW?

I like how WoW players are dumb enough to pay for name changes when it's literally an autoscript updating a database.

>reverse search
>nothing

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It is the same Ragnaros. This is exactly what would/could have happened back in Vanilla during the 1.12 later part of Vanilla. Its just that so many people were used to struggling with MC on earlier patches that they just convinced everyone that it had to be that way forever.

> they won't solo ragnaros so easily

>Every single good mmo in history saw its population grow, not shrink, for a considerable time post launch.

Name them please. The only successful MMOs have been WOW, FF14 ARR and that's it. GW2 did not grow after the first month, Age of Conan didn't, Wildstar didn't, Tera on steam was 10k in May 2015, 11k in June, then 7k in July, ESO did not, BDO did not.

You are a liar.

The patch that first contained ragnaros had rend as a final talent in survival, hurricane as the final talent in balance etc. Full of stupid shit like that.

>best retail guild BTFO by private server chads
Just face it, wow classic attracts better players.

Wrath of the Lich King legacy servers when?

Now you know why Overwatch sucks.

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Then all those dozens of survival hunters and balance druids in the raid were much more powerful, got it.

If none of you caught what the user was trying to say
>the damaage values were near unchanged
Meaning the mobs were hitting as hard as level 80s in wrath were, but only at level 60 and he's almost not wrong. Naxx40 is probably going to take a least a month or so to even get the first clear. I mean hell the trash mobs at the start of the wings are going to give people trouble for awhile. Especially the fuckin gargoyles.

>Naxx40 is probably going to take a least a month or so to even get the first clear

First week. Possibly even the first day.

Based

first day. unlike the ragnaros world first race people have time to gear up

imgur.com/a/Fm11NvE

Where can I find this post specifically?

I never got into wow but had a 10 year old guest code from an old boxset. I does not work anymore... I kind of need a fun game to play on my aging pc, but I dont have much money. Reading this scared me. I wanted to play a warlock. Now only hunter is viable for a complete newbie? How the fuck do you get into this game???

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ouo.press/vMNFDS

Wildstar devs tried the opposite and would buff the bosses after they were killed to disallow kill strats. Guilds ended up just quitting the game instead.

just pick what you want

I googled this thread.
Is there anything more pathetic than editing your OP post?
us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/i-will-promise-you-mc-wont-be-cleared-in-week-1/255259

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>something that existed before is easier than something entirely new

shocking

> tfw still wiping to VC because healer can’t keep up with high sustained damaged even though we have a party of dwarves, 2 priests and some of them are drunk out of their minds
So here I am
youtu.be/5boNqPH9vv8

Here's the thing, Maybe method shouldn't have announced they were doing a million dollar production for their first 60 & MC/Ony clears if they were going to get shit stomped by over 24 hours on level 60 and maybe a whole fucking week for MC.

Yeah, Method IS a retail guild and easily one of (if not THE) top mythic guild. Don't front unless you can deliver though, their performance in classic is an absolute disgrace and embarrassment. Being thoroughly put in their place definitely does nothing for the argument that retail is for 'real' 'hardcore' '1337' raiders when the best they have is ass raped by gooks.

Report their Bnet for lying to people.

Yea it is, it's part of the game. PvP doesn't just mean le honorable duels it also implies a sense of danger and worldbuilding. Some areas have enemies in them, enemies you can't yet defeat. It subconsciously makes you want to get stronger.

(Ganking lowbies is fun.)

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>car analogy

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what class should i roll?

Gnome Mage

>LFR is about Classic level
Next to everyone was claiming the opposite lmao. Gather together somewhere and agree on something for fucks sake because in every thread about classic for the past three months we had a hundred statements canceling eachother.

I like how electricity users are dumb enough to pay for electricity when it's literally a button that turns on the power

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>I don't know who was saying classic was harder than BfA mechanically
Literally anybody that wanted Classic to be a thing.

We're talking like 15 years of theory and practice worth of play on bootleg servers and not just a closed PTR e-celeb circlejerk

>in week 1 of launch.
>in 15 years of launch

you want me to post sources of you being a faggot?

judging by the calls in trade, a prot warrior

>insists on frustrating players with difficulty to make them purchase gold and gear boosts

oh and for god's sake remove paid transfers, etc

lol
>"What can you do in endgame classic?"
>Lists shit that even casual players in retail do everyday
Excuse me? I enjoy Classic quite a bit but what a terrible fucking response, I seriously think somebody caught you on you talking big on something that is practically non existent.
That's completely fine though.

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quests in this game are actually a psychological trick. The XP and gold rewards are such fucking shit there's no point doing any quests. The best way to level is to just kill mobs endlessly. Quests only exist to trick you into thinking you aren't just grinding mobs.

Why would it be harder? there are guides on everything, their are videos on everything, everyone has years of experience and no lifing.

The reason WoW was hard was because it was new and nobody knew shit, there is zero reason for classic to be hard

someone doesn't know about Succubus seduce

Why are you posting your comments user?

8 plus one material from each fight.

The economy in live is shit because of the tokens.
The pet collecting in live is shit because of pokemon and store pets
The mount collecting in live is shit because of store mounts
Wpvp in live is long dead
And there's no active FFA arena in live
I don't hate retail, but there's almost nothing you can do outside of raiding that you can't be beaten at because someone dropped some cash.

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Bro Method cleared Naxx in Vanilla, you do not know what you're talking about.

Not true, user.
If I finish and my party member is still doing a quest I don’t mind finishing it with them. I’m still getting kill XP and setting the precedent that you would return the favor. Also the rush to level is done. Nobody is getting world first on anything but no-life’s anyway, also leaving people behind makes you look like a prick so I avoid it.

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Anyone here into private servers? Which one would be arguably the best? Last I tried them was in retail WoTLK and everything was fucking broken.
I haven't played since Cata so I'd like one that is somewhat up to date (Legion at least).
t. won't give money to Blizzard in any way.

But u said it takes at least a month to get max lvl wtf u lied