A friendly reminder that Atlus hates PC so much they deliberately sabotaged their first modern forray into PC gaming to get Sega off their backs. >Release a mediocre port of the original Catherine around the time Full Body was announced >The port was mediocre enough that 60 fps purists won't buy it. >It was the original game so the remaining potential buyers will rather wait for a Full Body port >The post was still functional enough and had no DRM protection besides Steamworks so pirates pirated and played it, the game being one of the most pirated titles at the time.
That way they convinced Sega that a. PC gamers aren't interested on their titles b. The few ones that are interested would rather pirate them.
>refuse to port anything to PC because muh piracy >despite the fact that almost all of their games can be easily emulated anyway and they have a 0% chance of getting money from that unlike actual ports yeah I don't really get it
Landon Myers
>Bad PC port >Sega involved That wasn't sabotage.
Jackson Hill
The Yakuza ports were great
Robert Sanders
There is a big difference: unlike actual ports, independent programmers making emulators doesn't cost Atlus money.
The chance of making money is still 0% but at least Atlus doesn't lose money.
Evan Thomas
The reason they picked the original Catherine for the first PC port is that it didn't require any direct involvement from them since it runs on Gamebryo. PS2 games are probably Frankenstein code that's unsalvageable and 3DS games would be problematic for obvious reasons (2 screens, they probably don't have HD assets either). Persona 5 and Full Body runs on their in-house engine (and the latter wasn't even out in Japan when Classic released on Steam), which means Atlus would have to spare resources to assist whoever Sega EU hired to do the port.
Parker Hughes
>lack of draconian DRM causes less sales fallacy Anyway, SMT or fuck off, the rest of their titles are trash.
Jonathan Wilson
If they love consoles so much why they never Release their games to newer consoles then ? (ex P3FES & P4G to ANY modern consoles) In Truth, Atlus is still stuck with 80s japanese bubble era mentallity. If Emulation did exists, their game will absolutely forgotten in time.
You need to murder that oldfag higher ups to fix this. Maybe onion knew how to hire an assassin.
They're extremely technically incompetent. They take forever to learn new engines, their games always release generation late and they have to make low-effort spin-offs and enhanced versions because otherwise they'd release one game that's nowhere near a blockbuster hit every 6 years which no publisher would allow. It's also why they never do multiplat, they're just not competent enough to do it.
Oliver Moore
Just look at pic rel, it tells you everything you need to know about Atlus.
> they deliberately sabotaged their first modern forray into PC gaming Nah, you are seriously overestimating the japs. They are just complete utter clueless idiots when it comes to overseas operations.
David Gutierrez
And before people start blaming Sony for that, that has been a thing since the very beginning. For example compare Shin Megami Tensei 1 to any other SNES JRPG: regardless of content or design, from a technical and graphical standpoint it looks very low budget compared to the rest of them.
Nathaniel Scott
Falcom is pretty much the same, but at least they release their games faster. It took literally one fucking guy to fix their whole rendering engine and make ToCS run infinitely better while looking better at the same time.
theres literally no way to lose money by porting shit to pc
Dominic Fisher
>Port game >No one buys it Yes there is.
The only reason PC gaming still exists is due to out of touch stockholders forcing developers and publishers release PC versions of games and many of those stockholders having their fingers on the pie of GPU companies like Nvidia and AMD.
Dominic Baker
They were very active during the PS2 era then came the PS3 and it was all handhelds
Jack Ross
Literally who cares. I'm playing Persona 5 on RPCS3 right now, and will probably play SMTV on Yuzu if it ever comes out.
Wyatt Jones
>The only reason PC gaming still exists is due to out of touch stockholders forcing developers and publishers release PC versions of games
Yes, stockholders are intentionally lowering the value of their own stock because reasons. I've seen less delusional theories from /pol/.
Ryan Garcia
You're delusional if you think that PC is a profitable platform.
Stockholders take retarded decisions all the time. Your point is?
Ayden Price
IV and Apocalypse look pretty decent upscaled, updating the UI for single screen use and higher resolution, along with using high res official artwork instead of sprites wouldn't take too much effort or money. youtu.be/blRyrHpbzeE?t=373
Lucas Howard
Too incompetent for HD development since it actually requires effort. Why do you think we haven't heard anything about SMTV still? Even UE4 is too hard to grasp for those retards. I bet almost everyone working at Atlus is part of a clique and they'll work there until they die even if they can't do shit. That's why everything takes forever to do there.
Cooper Roberts
You do know that porting shit to pc is dirty cheap, right? Specially when consoles are now using the same cpu architecture as pcs do.
Nicholas Adams
>Too incompetent for HD development since it actually requires effort. What on earth are you talking about working with the PS2 hardware is more difficult than anything on the PS4
Joshua Martin
That was because they almost went bankrupt. Of all of their projects, only Persona 3 and 4 sold enough to be successful. The rest (The Raidou duology, Nocturne and the DDS duology) were bombs.
William James
Pretty sure the devs would be happy to port games to PC but coporate suits don't want that.
Benjamin Richardson
Uhh, what? Sega is fully onboard the "port to PC" train. Just look at the Yakuza series coming over. Atlus themselves don't want to port their games over and Sega can't do anything about it since they have no control over Atlus per their buyout contract.
Ethan Morris
Nocturne did better with time once the reprints hit the market and they made somewhat of a name for themselves in the foreign market with P3,P4
Julian Miller
Up to Yakuza 2 Kimawi. 3 and onwards were only on PS3/4 and 3-5 remaster were only announced on PS4. Im pretty sure Yakuza 0, Kimawi 1 & 2 are the only Yakuza PC we got
The autonomy Atlus gets is all out of Sega's goodwill, they can overturn it any time they want
Parker Wood
Except Atlus don't even port the game themselves. They hired The Eccentric Ape so they literally need to do nothing but send them some cash and the source files yet they refuse to do it.
Jaxon Richardson
Atlus wasn't even the one who ported it It was 100% SEGA Europe and they said sales were good as far as they're concerned >More Atlus games could be coming, too, but the ball is currently in Atlus's court. Catherine Classic saw the developer's surreal puzzle game come to PC for the first time in January, and it's performed well. Clark hopes it's just the first step. "Everyone's really pleased with it; we're pleased with it, it's performed well and the audience is happy," he says.
Asher Davis
Nigger did you even read what I said? Atlus gave the original Catherine to Sega EU, who in turn gave it to The Eccentric Ape, because it runs on Gamebryo and doesn't require any involvement from Atlus. If they wanted to port Persona 5, they'd have to be directly involved because it runs on Atlus' in-house engine.
Isaiah Brown
So? A game is only as successful as its launch window. All the sales after that are pointless because the project already failed from a financial standpoint.
System Shock 2 and Thief II were a commercial failures and the developer disbanded a year after both. Do you think it matters that both games became cult classics years later?
Colton Hughes
>A game is only as successful as its launch window Only applies to console games since they lose steam after launch period. >Furthermore, the amortization method applied for content production expenses concerning the Packaged Games area has been changed from this quarter. The change applies for PC titles which main sales is download distribution. Content production expenses for PC titles are amortized in conjunction with the scale of sales for the first three months after the launch, and the remaining amount is amortized using the straight-line method. Roughly speaking, the amortization period for this remaining amount has been changed from 9 months to 21 months. The change is affected by prolonged sales periods in recent years. segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/library/pdf/settlement/2020/20203_1q_presentation_20190730_final_e_scenario.pdf
Logan Ward
If the engine was able to work on the autism that is PS3s Cell and the PS4's APU simultaneously, then it surely can't be that hard to port it to other platforms. It must have innate flexibility built in.
Oliver Evans
Not always kind of like a movie that did mediocre in the box office but was a hit once it reached the video rentals and the word got out
Robert Davis
It doesn't matter what Atlus thinks because all games come to PC eventually through emulation. P3, P4, and P5 are all fully playable on PC already.
PC gamers don't to need to ask for permission, we just steal.
The thing is since it's an in-house engine, all the tools are made by Atlus. They'd have to handle documentation to the porting studio (wanna bet they only have it written in jap?) and even then they'd likely have to provide assistance. When it comes to Yakuza ports, RGG Studios and Sega Hardlight helped Lab42 during the porting process (and most likely QLOC too, they're just way less talkative than Lab42).
Logan Sanders
>its a elaborate conspiracy that ATLUS picked a somewhat niche title to test the waters with Nope it's just standard fare Japanese corporate idiocy.
Kevin Gray
ISn't the remasters coming out 1 by 1? I could see a PC port announced AFTER all of the mare finished.
Evan Lee
A conspiracy is still corporate idiocy.
Carter Bennett
Next title is Judgment. Already teased by Sega EU on twitter. Then we'll get either 3-5 remasters (once they're all out on PS4 and got discounted to -50% on PSN at least once), then 6 and 7. Probably Sakura Taisen thrown somewhere between them, maybe FotNS too (and an Atlus game if we're extremely lucky).
Brandon Roberts
I'm sure Sega would send help if Atlus actually wanted to port to the PC/Switch, but Atlus is still stuck in the Sony only mindset despite not having any monetary incentive to do so.
Thomas Walker
While I am at it, look at CAPCOM with the original releases of RE1,2,3 and Dino Crisis. They could have just rehashed the ancient PC versions got them to run on modern hardware, as SQUENIX did and make tons of cash for essentially no effort whatsoever. It is just the Japs being idiots.
Jack Wilson
Really? Nice. My PS4 is hacked so buying Judgement was a no go.
Josiah Wright
But even if they sent help, Atlus has to divert some people to work on it. Persona 5 had more people working on it than Skyrim did. They're so incompetent that diverting any resources would likely severe setback, especially if the resources are programmers (the only relevant people when it comes to porting) who demonstrate their incompetence in every single game Atlus releases.
Jordan Parker
If they made modern functional ports of their PS1 era survival horror games I would buy those motherfuckers without thinking twice. Same with a God Hand port.
Noah Rodriguez
Hollow Knight and Slay the Spire sold a million copies on PC before even getting their first console port.
Jace Brown
>A friendly reminder that Atlus hates PC so much >company doesn't want game to be pirated to hell and sold for pennies. >company hates PC.
you people are retarded.
Alexander Cruz
Diverting personel would be worth it because a port would make more money that that Persona 5 Dancing or Persona 5 Musou. But, as you said, incompetent. It took 3 years for them to make P5R despite it only adding a couple scenes and some dungeons?
Ayden James
>Don't port your game and never make any money from PCfags as they would rather wait for an emulator. vs >Port your game and make some money while some people pirate.
>Piracy doesn't happen on consoles P5 can be pirated on PS.
Nicholas Wilson
Yes, I'm sure Atlus is the paragon of business and is the only third-party developer to not release their games on PC while everyone else is absolutely retarded for doing so. Especially Capcom (MHW, RE2, DMC5), Bamco (Dark Souls), Activision (Sekiro), Sega (Total War, Football Manager). Every single Sega Investors Report where PC and/or Steam are mentioned praises the platform as growing and bringing steady revenue with especially strong repeat sales, something that's lacking on consoles. Keep seething that all your former console exclusives are officially on PC now and there's only one dev left to go.
Xavier Brooks
Even mediocre companies like the Neptunia devs can do decent ports i don't get why Atlus is so incompetent
Henry Morris
>Nowadays, however, repeat sales tend to hold steady thanks to demand remaining firm for titles that have been out a few years since their original release, owing in part to successful measures to introduce series titles like the Sonic the Hedgehog series, in addi-tion to the popularity of the Steam a game distribution platform, which has created a huge market especially in Europe. Needless to say, repeat sales after development costs are amortized are a boon for profitability. segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/library/pdf/printing_annual/2018/ssh_ar18e_web_1025.pdf
Cooper Reed
>Overseas sales of console and PC games and global sales of repeat titles have surpassed our expectations, leading to a significant improvement in our income margin in this area. The European, American, and Asian markets are all expanding, and with the growth of PC platforms such as Steam and the overseas sales ratio increasing for Japanese studios, games made in Japan are being carefully localized, leading to overseas sales performing well. >As I just discussed, in Asia, Europe, and North America, the console game and PC download game areas, including the likes of Steam, are still performing extremely well. We will therefore invest further in exporting Japanese games to these markets and ensuring steady sales of games made in Europe and North America in other regions. >Packaged games, including PC downloads, remain strong in Europe and America, while free‐to‐play online games for consoles and online games for PCs are also growing stronger in Europe and America, as well as Asia. segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/library/pdf/settlement/2019/201903_4q_scenario_e_final.pdf
Andrew Sullivan
Good
PC gaming is a joke
Lincoln Thomas
Refer to Atlus are the most technically incompetent devs around today.
Liam Reyes
Total War and Football Manager dabs on Persona, SMT and Yakuza combined. TW Three Kingdoms sold 1kk units in the first week, that's 1/3 of what P5 sold during its lifetime. Cope.
They are not though it is just standard fare jap corporate idiocy. I read a interview about some niche Japanese game dev company that got offered a deal by some european budget game publisher to publish their software nothing was required on their end not financially nor tehnically as the games were already in english(titles were arcade games). The jap developer turned the publishers offer of free money down.
Jack Edwards
D-Delet this
Oliver Sanders
I'm sure this fucking game would sell like crazy if they ported it to literally any modern console or PC. They even refuse to port it to the PS4. It makes no fucking sense at all.
Also I wish Sega tried to test the PC waters with a more popular game or a Vanillaware one. OSL and Dragon's Crown would have done much better than Catherine. Fuck, even Muramasa would have done better and it's also stuck on 2 dead consoles. Such a missed opportunity.
Ryan Sanchez
Even Personafags would buy the persona dancing game if it ever released to PC. And Piracy on PC is dead thanks to Denuvo (They killed day/month and update piracy for good). Theres no more excuse for Atlus to not release their game to PC.
Charles Young
I'll save this and use it on fags who says that games on pc don't sell.
Caleb Brooks
>Stockholders take retarded decisions all the time. Your point is? Yeah only you, a random nobody at a Cantonese basket weaving forum knows how to profit from digital entertainment . What were those dummy shareholders even thinking?
David Foster
I'd take the word of retarded stockholders over your dumb ass any day.
Colton Johnson
>Total War and Football Manager dabs on Persona, SMT and Yakuza combined. A 20 year old series with a dozen titles and a sports game dabs on a niche series that only recently got traction thanks to the PS4. >also selling copies for pennies. literally none of your numbers is an argument to against P4 staying exclusive to the PS4 doesn't allow it to be devalued to hell.
Hudson Adams
>Keep seething that all your former console exclusives are officially on PC now and there's only one dev left to go. bro for realz ?!
I think you missed the part where since Sega started porting their stuff on PC, they LITERALLY dropped every single IP that isn't yakuza and sonic. Did we get a Vanquish or a RoF sequel ? No we got a Beyonetta sequel, exclusive to Nintendo.
Josiah Myers
Persona is also 20 years old and has 15 titles under its belt. And it did not get traction thanks to the PS4, lmao. It got traction because anime is more mainstream now and because it was a very slick game with a great artstyle.
Is Sega literally saying "PC is great for us as you can see by our financial report" not enough for you? P5 shouldn't stay exclusive because Atlus is not owned by Sony. That's literally the only reason to be exclusive nowadays.
>they LITERALLY dropped every single IP that isn't yakuza and sonic. proofs >Did we get a Vanquish or a RoF sequel ? Games aren't suddenly going to get sequels because they're ported. Especially if the original developer are off doing their own thing. > No we got a Beyonetta sequel, exclusive to Nintendo. Because Nintendo literally paid Platinum to develop the game for the Wii U. Like I said, the only actually good reason to not port nowadays is if you are directly owned/funded by the console manufacturer.
