How the fuck am I supposed to know this?

ん?あんたは日本語を話しませんか。

Okay, but what if I try really hard and learn?

WHY DO ALL KANJIS LOOK THE SAME, BROS. IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR. WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE NORMAL LETTERS LIKE A NORMAL COUNTRY WHYYYYYY

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I fully admit to being too autistic to play games like P5. The temptation to optimize is too much.

N? Antaha Nihongo (blah blah) Shi?senka

2 nights worth of attempting to memorize hiragana has gotten me this far.
Why, I'm basically fluent already.

休本木未朱

That's a nice looking power line.

>implying you know what the line means

It's honestly pretty obvious that it's eye if you just look at the picture.

wait so is kanji just a jigsaw where the segments mean something

She doesn't know either, this is a history of language question.

>Use isolated Kanji study and get criticized for it
>Able to understand the makeup of Kanji and have no trouble discerning similar looking kanji now

And they said I was a fool
Who's laughing now, Mom

"Eh? You do not speak Japanese?"

This isn't even correct. You want to say 話せませんか?

t. Lived in Japan as a student

I don't even know Japanese, it being physically impossible to learn

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Most Kanji, if not all of them, are composed of smaller strokes and symbols which have a meaning attached to them. The larger Kanji have more radicals in them and get a different meaning based on what's added.

This means tree (木)
This means one (一)
Together, when written like this (本), it can mean Book or Real.

工エ
力カ

>姦

Pretty based

Indeed, but not to the point where individual strokes have meaning.

>話せませんか
The last 4 kana say semasenka, (Not that I know what that even means) and that one Kanji (I only started memorizing kana yesterday so I've literally just started, and therefore know fuck all)
Can you break it down for me user?

Kabob doesn't make sense unless that also means something else.

Crest would be that little mark at the top

The line is near where eyes would be. Maybe it's referring to how the eye's blend in to its black feathers

Nose holes would also fit there, but I don't think crows are known for having hidden nose holes.

I'd say 80% chance of it being eyes, 20% being nose holes.

Imagine writing an essay like that.

I just recently had to learn the difference between 环 and坏

try learning chinese which is only these fucking characters

back to discord vile trannies

>Kanji can have different pronunciations for each one because fuck you

Because pronunciation in English is so regular, right?

> there, their, and they're

Does crow not have an eye in it because they are known to eat them?

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English is retarded.

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話す is the verb "to speak"
話せるmeans "able to speak"
話せます puts it in polite form
話せません makes it negative ("not able to speak")
the か is a question marker, making it a question.

The only way to learn English is through thorough tough thought.

How big are their computer keyboards?

I doubt they have kanji on the keyboards themselves.

i think they mostly use qwerty and just type in the latin characters that correspond to the hanzi in both japan and china

That's the opposite of the problem.
English's problem is more like how read sounds like lead and led however read doesn't sound like lead and led but instead sounds like lead and LED but red sounds like lead and led but not lead and LED.

What is the meaning of the Kanji?
How is it pronounced?
Why does putting "su" after it make it the verb "to speak"?
Why does "n" make the sentence negative?

Aww

These are noticeably different and very common characters though.

Can I learn to speak Japanese without all this bullshit? I feel like I could at least try to learn the symbols if I had a semblance of knowledge and motivation by learning the language. But I bet all teachers would go "No! You need to learn both at the same time!!"

話(はな) is Hana

learn a useful language, like for example, chinese

>English's problem is more like how read sounds like lead and led however read doesn't sound like lead and led but instead sounds like lead and LED but red sounds like lead and led but not lead and LED.
What are you smoking and where can I get some?

No, you can't. And trust me, once you learn kanji you will hate when words that should have a kanji are completely written in hiragana.
That's why at least for me, listening is way harder than reading.

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and at that point you'll be done with the most annoying part of japanese anyway

Only two, maybe three, are really ever used. As long as you know 中 as なか and ちゅう, you'll be fine. And you'll pick this up by learning vocab like 中学校 and 夜中 anyway, so don't stress.

All good things always come from Japan for some reason. So if I'm gonna learn another language, there's no way I would choose anything else

here are some more I could think up for fun
成 城 诚 宬, 买 卖 实 , 日白自旧, 着看

From everything I understand about Kanji completely through osmosis, it stands to reason that most japanese languages are spoken with the use of "ideas" and "concepts" as opposed to the English language which is often spoken in terms of "tangents" and "filler" terminology before reaching the main subject matter in a sentence. That being said, the most logical conclusion I can come to via OP's image is that since both images resemble some form of bird, that the extra line is more inclusive of all manner of bird, and since crows are known to have more flat and slender skulls than your average bird, then the line that represents eyes is most likely intersecting with another lineon the crow symbol, whereas the bird symbol has all three lines visible, implying that an average bird has a much more round and vertical head, thus making its eyes a more prominent feature to include in the symbol. So by that logic, the extra line must mean that the symbol represents the eyes.

Verbs follow a format
The basic form ends in an u sound.

話 is a kanji that means story/talk
Kanji, as you probably know, change pronunciation based on the word they're in.
話す is (hana)su

It's not that ん makes it negative, it's the ません which is the negative form of ます, which is the uniform verb ending for polite form.

This is all like literally baby's first Japanese so you'll learn it pretty soon.

Wrong, it was the kabob, sorry

You cheated yourselfs

Wikitonary tells me it simply means talking, and can be hanashi or hanasu, that's under kun, and there's like 3 other catagories (Go-on, Kan-on, Kan'yo-on)
I know none of what this all means.
How do you know which punctuation if correct for the context?

>has 未
>doesn't list 末 next to it
I can understand not having others but these 2 go together in lists like this so what the fuck are you doing user

These are easy shit. Try 日曰 or 柿杮.

All style no substance Goro Akechi alone creates more plotholes than ffxv and mgsv combined

Some of the videogames coming out of China soon look kind of I teresting, especially that cyberpunk scp one.

Good thing you will never need to write Japanese.

>

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Fuck this shit. Japan can suck my dick.

You should learn hiragana at the bare minimum. That's 46 characters. But it will also introduce you to every single sound in Japanese, so you'll be able to identify each sound and break words down. This makes it easier to speak and listen.

>I refuse to have a game teach me anything interesting

Interesting how?

Literally just memorization.

Think of it like how you know the G in gift is hard, but the G in gyro is soft.

話 is hanashi
But 電話 is (den)wa

Meanwhile, guy's literally swimming in money and Yea Forums believes Chinese is not where it's it, so he has no competition

Children learn how to speak before they learn how to write. So it's possible to learn to speak Japanese without learning to read/write

Just learn vocab. Don't bother trying to learn every possible kanji reading. It's incredibly inefficient. By learning some basic vocab, you will encounter 話す(hanasu) and 会話(kaiwa), which introduces the two most common readings of the kanji.

Don't study kanji. Study words. You'll come to learn kanji in context and won't have this problem. Don't be one of those autistic retards who tries to just study kanji alone.

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This is what happens when you take a writing system that works well for chinese and you rape it onto your own language

Google.

That sounds completely different!

yeah I missed 曰, always characters with some minor bullshit change

there's not always going to be logic to these chinese characters that represent different birds, normally they just add an existing character to the bird character, some of them may make sense but goose 鹅 are just the characters for 'I/me' 我and bird...鳥

雞 鴞 鵝 鷹 鴿 鴕 鷙 鴨 鸚 鵡 鴯 烏 鴉

Interesting.
ありがと user

I have a friend who studied Japanese at uni, she's a pretty big weeb and enjoyed it alot, but says it was quite hard (But she's not a lazy ass so she put in the effort)
I'm somewhat worried about how I'll fair with nothing but my PC, the Internet and a notebook.
I suppose I should buy a textbook.
I've spent the first half of this year rarely leaving my room due to difficulty with finding a full time job, with no luck so far, so I have a fuck load of time to teach it to myself, until I get a job, and that may not even for a while.

There's literally loads of westerners in china. If you want to learn a language for business or work then go for the rare ones then you'll literally have no competition. Learning Chinese for work is basically the easy route because you'll likely get a job easy and don't forget that there are literally a lot of chinks everywhere.

You don't need to buy anything.
djtguide.neocities.org/

You can find just about everything you need here (for starting, at least).
Anki is a must for vocab building.
I recommend downloading the Genki workbooks. They're fairly short but comprehensive, designed for classroom study.

Why do 4chaners always try to learn things alone? Don't they know it's easier with actual teachers and friends who motivate you?

Let me know when Abe finally finishes reforming the japanese language in order to abolish the retarded mixture of chinese and japanese letters aka kanji and I'll start learning nihongo.

What do you think these threads are for?

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

Grammatically correct sentence involving buffaloes from Buffalo, NY, buffaloing (a verb meaning "to annoy") other buffaloes from Buffalo.

Just wait until you get to irregular readings.

Ah yes because
>きのうわたしはともだちとえいがかんにあたらしいえいがをみにいった
Is much better than
>昨日私は友達と映画館に新しい映画を見に行った

It's not hard but it's time consuming.
The biggest problem by far is having the discipline to make time to learn it everyday or every few days.
Once you get the ball rolling, it's only a matter of time.

Because on Yea Forums, you have to think that teachers and classes where you learn the language gradually are useless or at least the worst way to learn a language and you should instead cram Anki decks, read through a grammar guide, and read Yotsubato, and you'll magically combine everything and you get there.

I don't know, maybe it's because most Americans never tried proper language classes in their lives?

Shoulda done your heisigs user. Takes less than two months. You're not going to play Japanese games without kanji knowledge, are you?

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The only people who want Japanese without kanji are people who haven't learned kanji yet

It's a pain in the ass to read kana-only Japanese

I actually thought myself arabic only using the internet for the lulz and I was very good at it that I can already understand sentences and can form sentences myself then I realize I hate muslims so I stopped and have now forgotten everything. Only thing I can remember is they read left to right but words are read right to left

I'm having an easier time of things learning through isolated Kanji study than through vocab. It's been easier to retain things and differentiate between similar looking Kanji in my experience.

>imagine having trouble discerning any of those
b p q d
It's that simple.
Just learn your fucking shit.

>spaces and diacritics cannot exist in any universe
if the language is comprehensible in spoken form, then there necessarily exists legible phonetic representations of the language

>imagine spending months on not being able to do anything in Japanese

Not American, but maybe because most language classes are shit aimed at retards?

I took Spanish and German classes in high school, and having the structure and reinforcement of a class environment definitely helps.

But a lot of us probably aren't very quick to drop the dosh on taking classes in the adult world. I know I'm not.

Yesterday you went to the theater with your friends and saw a new movie.

Proud of myself. Thanks, LingoDeer!

>i'm gonna build a house
>should i get a bunch of bricks?
>nah i'll just fetch them one by one as i need them

>Only thing I can remember is they read left to right but words are read right to left
Who's dumb idea was that

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Study both.

Wait what? So you go from left to right across the page but the words themselves are spelled backward? Wat

正解、おめでとう

>having the structure and reinforcement of a class environment definitely helps.
lol maybe if you have brain damage. classrooms are absolute shit.

I am going to become a logogramfucker too!

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up to down, right to left was the standard.

>Motivate
More like "humiliated" and "feel like you're not accomplishing anything so why bother"

Learn Japanese for the porn or Chinese for the literature?

>imagine knowing all these words but being completely illiterate

I plan to once i get about 75% through the isolated Kanji. Once I'm there, I'll consolidate grammar and simultaneous vocab study to facilitate the process. It's a little difficult keeping up with my language studies when i also spend time going to gym 5 days a week and working on my animation portfolio.
I don't draw anime. I have more self respect than that.

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Culture of isolation and autism.

How does a Chinese keyboard work? If all words are a unique symbol then everytime a new word is invented, does the keyboard need to be updated? And how do they type 60,000 unique symbols with the limited amount of keys on a keyboard?

That's true, but again, most of everything in this world is aimed at retards, you have to shop around until you find what you need.

>lot of us probably aren't very quick to drop the dosh on taking classes
That's probably true, but why not though? First worlders are fucking loaded, most of them even waste money by the handful on a daily basis, they can afford classes.

Before my college entrance exams, I didn't know shit, I went to a private teacher, and she prepared me so well that my admission was practically guaranteed. Sure, it's expensive, and it's hard to find a good teacher, but I think it's always worth it to invest in your education and do it properly; there's no royal road.

>Culture of isolation
I mean they stole all of those from China so if they were properly isolated they wouldn't have em

>they read left to right
everything is right to left in Arabic.

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You type the pronunciation and the phone replaces it.

>Your name can be written in kana with no change in pronunciation
Nisu.

I only know it from japanese: they type in the vowels and the IME takes care of the rest. So "ha" is converted to は and "hana" (flower) is converted to 花. In Windows you get a nice little dropdown with choices. Chinese should be the same.

>You type the pronunciation
There, this is where you stop and hit "send". Just fixed the language

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>First worlders are fucking loaded
Relative to the third-world, sure
That doesn't mean we all have money burning a hole in our wallet and just aren't spending it

I started in high school and loved my classes and teacher. But I didn't bother continuing it at uni. Now that I've graduated, I just use textbooks. I get the same content and structure for far less than I'd need to pay for classes.

You don't even have to know the tone, it's pretty effective.

>phone
This niga knows how it works, yes.

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>力カ

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>First worlders are fucking loaded,
I've lived in ghettos fora majority of my life.

Naisu*
But still naisu.

This reads more like the Russians & Chinese are full of bullshit.

Are you fucking kidding me right now? Who designed this shit.

pretty rare if it's an English name.

What an endearing post. Nice and wholesome.

>tfw Chinese and Japanese kids are forgetting how to write hanzi due to this

>Big construction, little construction
>Big power, little power
Easy peasy, Japanesey

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Attempts to abolish kanji in the past proved they increased illiteracy levels. If you want to learn a language, put some effort into it, lazy ass

There were people in the Chinese learning reddit complaining about adults forgetting it too.

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Don't worry, user. It's actually simple once you put in an hour's worth of time studying.

People seem to forget that this is an entire language and not just a hobby.

I don't know how they tried to reform their language, but whatever they did, was a pretty terrible job.
Korean also takes inspiration from chinese, but it's WAY easier than japanese.

language reform within our lifetime perhaps. technology changes everything

Kanji is a speed-reader's nightmare.
>持待特侍
>common kanji with a rare pronunciation like 行う (okonau) or 気配 (kehai)

>japanese society has a built-in retard filter
genius

What are you getting at, user.

They didn’t try to. Americans after World War II tried to force the elimination of kanji but didn’t succeed

>First worlders are fucking loaded
Not me, that's for sure, I can barely manage to save 10% of what I make every month.

Unlikely. I'm interested in both Chinese and Japanese but won't have time to start until a couple of years. Anyone of them becoming simpler will help however the literal thousands of books, games doujins, LNs, VNs written won't be translated into "New" Jap.

千牛午年玉王

It's a picture of a bird you idiot, that's how Japanese works

fakku

It's a little-known and controversial element of Japanese tradition, but the government actually has a mandated testing process administered to all children at age 3, and if they fail, they're thrown into the Pacific.

Sort of like Sparta, but culling brainlets instead of manlets.

It takes time and effort. People seem to forget that they are starting from the level of a baby and progressing 10x faster.

Not everybody, obviously, there are piss poor people in America too. However, the average middle-class American is fucking rich that an average third-worlder can't even hope to be in their life, it's just that they have a different perception of it because their spending habits and priorities are different.

If someone can afford to blow money on games/movies/tv shows/software they could just pirate, they could just save the money and spend it on something else, but most of them don't do it. I live in a shithole country, that's why I think like this, obviously. But my point is, on average, it's much easier to afford language classes in America than anywhere else in the world if someone really wants it.

Fuck off retard.
A couple kanji characters conveys a lot more information than an entire sentence in english.

Yeah, it's best if you get the basics down in a class where it's more motivating and then continue improving on your own, that's how I did it with English.

You would know these from context.

The smaller ones would only be used in conjunction with other kana letters. Individual sounds. The larger Kanji version would be used alone or with another kanji and possibly have particles or conjugation afterwards. You'd never be confused by it in implementation

Fine, I'll translate h-doujinshi exclusively for myself then.

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It says n? Anta wa nihongo wo hanashi ma senka

Im a little more ahead of you because I know some kanji, but let me tell you, decoding hiragana and katakana got old really fast. I miss it. It was so pleasurable to just look at some japanese letters and go "shit i know what that says!!!!" But rarely is it anything truly interesting that japanese people are talking about.

黒人

should i play this now or wait for royal
i skipped 4 btw, only played p3p

People write and read shit in Japanese all the damn time though

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Like writing an essay in any other language

Whenever I come across a kanji with more than 20 strokes I ask myself at what point did some retarded ass japanese monk decide it was a good idea to steal this bullshit from the chinese, instead of making their own simplified version like koreans did.

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I know you're shitposting but spartan killed children with physical deformities, not manlets.

And even if you consider being less than 6 feet tall a physical deformity you can't know if a kid is going to be tall or not until later in their life.

What the fuck does DJT stand for?

Writing by hand during exams I meant.

5年間勉強してきたよ、勘弁してくれ

When was this?

How lazy are the localization team.

youtube.com/watch?v=zxHskrqMqII
They really are

>̪シ ツ ソ ノ ン ウ タ ヌ ス フ ク ケ ワ ヲ 二 二
You should be able to solve this.

daily japanese thread.
or Donald John Trump, I guess

>not learning chinese first

The only hard ones are 二 二

This is just katakana, tho. Try remembering the kanji for different flowers or fish

I can tell all of them apart except the last two, which are literally impossible to distinguish based on just the characters themselves. These are honestly not even hard, they are katakana. Try some kanji where you don't know whether or not one line should go through the other, those kill me.

side note, bone script is really interesting.

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>土 士未 末 辛 幸 綱 網 瓜 爪 微 徴 日 曰
You should be able to solve this.

For long time I've had difficulties with 持つ and 待つ because not only the kanji are very similar, the pronounciation is almost the same too. In sentence context it's no problem but in anki form this used to trick me endlessly.

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The fuck is a kabob anyway?

Meat on a stick.

Yes, but in exchange, people are now able to use (and subsequently recognize) more characters on average despite not being able to write them.

The same shit can be observed with spellcheck/autocorrect. People don't have to remember how to spell a word perfectly to use it anymore, they just have to aim vaguely in the direction of the word they want and let the computer handle it from there.

Really just comes down to what's in common use and shit anyway. Japanese people wouldn't recognize a fuck ass ton of otherwise basic Chinese characters because they just don't get used. And someone who, in general, doesn't read much, is going to have a harder time remembering "rarer" words and characters due to lack of exposure.

10/14
My N3 paying off

On a stick meat?

Who is this bitch

You did it N5-kun congrats
Now for something a little bit harder

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土曜日の「土」
戦士の「士」
未決定の「未」
端末の「末」
辛いの「辛」
幸せの「幸」
鉄鋼の「鋼」
金網の「網」
西瓜の「瓜」
爪は「つめ」だ
微妙の「微」
特徴の「徴」
日本の「日」
曰くは「いわく」だ

Easy mode

And yet in spite of this and her behavior in general, she's still more likable than Medaka. Incredible

That isn't difficult to comprehend, it's just fucking annoying to read.

If you want difficult to read AND fucking annoying, I suggest pic related.

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I find it odd that I want to learn to type and read japanese but not actually speak or write it. Since all my use of it would be from talking online or reading it.

I guess thinking of all the characters are like vocab helps too cause you will always be learning or using new words and probably the same with kanji.

Just think of it as training to shitpost in Japanese.

Pretty much yeah. I want to make Japanese friends and just shitpost and read manga. And if I ever actually get to visit the japanese countryside I'd be prepared one day

I just want to learn enough to make the Japanese VAs not sound like they are spouting of strings of complete gibberish.
I wanna know more about the grammatical structure, a couple very common kanji, and to memorize the kana. I have literally no need to know full Japanese for any other reason.

Learning the basics and then shitposting in 2ch in broken Japanese seems great.

I'm the same, except I want to be able to understand spoken Japanese too. I can barely speak my native tongue fluently, so I'd probably sound like I retard if I tried to speak nihongo.

they are literally the same characters

shi tsu so no n u ta ne su fu ku ke wa wo ni ni
i assume for the last two you meant it to be either にニ or ニコ and not just the same.

protip download a buncha fuckin weeb music and read the titles.
t. did just that

I don't know why this is so confusing, it's pretty straight forward

Better start now.

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Neat. What is the non-polite form of 話せません?

No, one of them is ni and the other is ni

I don't think you can go on 2ch without a Jap IP address

I already know 4 languages and am a native bilingual. I have time.
>what is vpn?

It's obvious via process of elimination.

話せない

話せへん

話せない

>lists a bunch of katakana
>puts a kanji at the end
i'm searching copy & paste, in that post they are the same unicode characters. i know what you meant to do tho.

二 ニ
kanji line is further up.

they are still practically the same character despite using different unicode characters and they really should just merge em.

すみません、ビール二杯下さい

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pretty big

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Someone's watching too much Gaki

Onneksi suomi on niin helppoa että lapsikin sen oppii.

Do you really need to specify what kind of cup you want your beer in? I've never been to Japan.
I can understand asking for a certain size, but "Beer in a beer cup please" seems strange.

>kept reading 正面 as せいめん instead of しょうめん
I'm never going to make it. Multiple readings of the same kanji is the devil.

haha dumb newfag

He's asking for two beers, user
But even in America you can request your drink in a particular kind of glass if you want
Sometimes
In some places

I don't drink but I've seen it happen

wut
"Scuse me, two glasses of beer please."

What are you talking about? I'm asking for two beers for my girlfriend and myself

Just read it as まとも user.

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???
>Excuse me / Beer x 2+(counter word for glasses/cups of something) please

It seems dumb but counters come naturally if you just fucking read

fucking nisio

Okay mods this is your chance ban everyone in this thread and purge the weebs.

You cant read「臼」and「白」

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is this loss?

>t. korean

How am I a weeb?

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まとも is almost always written in kana for some reason. Only when it's written in Kanji that anyone would read it as しょうめん.

Thankfully I've only ever seen 臼 in like one or two words ever, both times in the news after people became injured and suffered 脱臼's

Really easy to remember because of how rare it is.

Fuck, I read 二 as に
Don't mind me, I'm retarded.

How do you read ニ as に? They don't even look similar

Second row, third kanji.
It was a surprise how they had difficulty remembering which one was the dog, but it's probably a lot harder if it isn't the only kanji you know from that cardboard.

犬 and 太 are the only ones I recognize. Are the others actually used?

japanese has so much more boilerplate than english in the form of all the hiragana they add to the end of everything

曰
日
These are the ones that look the most alike in my opinion, but at least you'll likely never mistake them for each other in actual text.

not him but being an EOP learning beginning japanese, に being used as a location particle seems a lot more common than using 二, the kanji, which is also ni but can also be pronounced futa. my brain jumps to conclusions as well. it's easy to fall into that trap.

Used? They're not even real.

Guys I'm moving to Japan next week for research work and don't like Anime. Are there actually other expats who aren't gigantic weebs or am I going to have to settle?

ニ is two - Ni
に - Ni

I know that retard, but they don't look the same
Do you confuse two and too?

Most of them look really weird and not natural at all, but I only know a few scraps of moon so I'm probably not a good judge of that.

DEEPEST LORE

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Can someone explain to me why are there two ways to write きかい that means machine? There's 機械 and 器械.

most japs dont like anime youre fine.

>going to Japan to meet foreigners
Whenever I'd walk around with my girlfriend and we saw a foreigner we would always point to them and go
Ewww look at those niggers/terrorists/white people, the last thing I want to see in Japan is fucking foreigners especially the Chinese. They're everywhere in Tokyo

get the fuck outta here

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In katakana, "ni" is identical to the number 2, and they're pronounced the same as well. I was just being careless. I must have read 二 out loud in my head and processed it as the particle instead of the number.

Don't forget that 勇気 (courage) is male+spirit and 家内 (wife) is house+inside. Japanese is a redpilled language.

Japanese is so unnecessarily complicated

I KNOW THAT YOU DUMB CUNT
BUT HOW THE FUCK DO YOU CONFUSE TWO DIFFERENT WORDS?
TOO AND TWO LOOK DIFFERENT
WEATHER AND WHETHER LOOK DIFFERENT
FOR AND FOUR LOOK DIFFERENT
YOU DONT CONFUSE THOSE FOR EACH OTHER DO YOU?

I left DJT a while ago, did you fags already figured that anime cards are a waste of time? They singlehandedly made me quit Japanese learning.

Something about 5 years and a door is all I can read of that, lmao.

IT GOES DEEPER
嬲る
to tease
to make fun of
to make sport of

This will clear it up

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I'm not planning on just meeting foreigners, but my Japanese is like N4. I'll probably need to have some as a crutch not to go insane for the first six months or so

what do you mean with isolated kanji study? tell me so i can maybe learn nip this time

foreigners do all the time, you sperg
not even that guy

>to torment
>to blame
>to persecute
>to tamper
Jesus Christ, Japan

>man is a tripod
>women are XX
geg

機械 = machine / (2) instrument
器械 = instrument, device, tool / (2) machine
they're both indeed somewhat interchangeable but are usually dictionaries will list them like this. there are more kikais though.

機会
奇怪
喜界

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I don't care about losers who don't speak English as a first language, unless they're Japanese because that's the only country in the world that matters besides Canada and Australia

Fucking this. When I took Chinese after trying Japanese for some time, I was amazed.

make friends with a jap that speaks english

> 話しませんか
a lul
ん?おめぇは日本語も話せんのかよ?www

Isolated kanji study is studying how to write kanji and what they mean. So you know that 水 means water, but you don't yet know what the word for water is in Japanese.
It's hard work and efficient, but it's two months of prep work before you can "really" begin. People who don't like doing work talk shit about it so they don't have to feel bad for skipping it.

Actually 女 is くノ一

ヌ ス メ fucked me up for the longest time

Put the kanji on its side and you'll see two bird shaped symbols, now if you've seen a bird and a crow in real life you'd realize that it's hard to see the crow's eyes because it's black just like its feathers.

アニメ見すぎ

I only read Snow Country in English, what's wrong with it?

Or you could just learn words and the kanji that come with them instead of forcing yourself to learn kanji in isolation. Aka, read more

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>all women are kunoichi

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What's the concrete advantage to doing that?

no there's no escape. once you enter the border you literally become anime, everyone and everything you see will be anime, and everyone will see you in anime. schoolgirls run down the street with toast in their mouths and the divine winds exist only to raise skirts. it might take several days for your filthy gaijin western pig disgusting brain to conform to this but most people get used to it within a day.

watch out for truck-kun.

There's nothing more cringe than n3-n4 virigins writing in anime japanese.

I'm so glad I so happen to meet a bunch of Doujinshi artists on Discord and become their friends, despite my limited Japanese ability. Listening to them every morning and speaking in my shitty Japanese helped me improve more than grinding Anki or something.

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I got about 400 deep in Heisig before I quit. I was studying it and vocabulary at the same time, and it wasn't helping me at all. Often times, the keyword Heisig used to describe the kanji wasn't an accurate representation of what the kanji actually meant, so I'd have to relearn the meaning and correct my fuckups. I had an easier time learning kanji through vocabulary and Jisho than I did Heisig's gimmicks.

However, it's probably worth mentioning that I studied kanji radicals before I studied vocab. Knowing the variations of man, hand, heart, step, water, ice, cloth, etc helped me differentiate kanji as I learned.

Isn't one of the symbols for "trouble" like three women?
Or was that a different runic language?

You're learning how to ride a bicycle by actually riding it (and falling) instead of practicing the pedaling motion isolated by itself while hanging yourself in the air.

姦しい
noisy
boisterous

Someone already posted it

You gain stronger memories associated with words/kanji and their usage.

Plus, you see common ones often enough that you don't have to burn much mental strength on them and can focus more on acquiring unknown words.

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Might as well ask this here. I started learning 2 months ago. What should I try for reading practice? I've mostly been getting by on NHK's easy news so far.

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I l

yotsuba
try to find children's books

oh and games like pokemon. it's made for the children. basically, you want to consume media for japanese children.

Does チラリズム just mean voyeur or is it something broader in scope?

This is why cursive is better.

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Play some pokemon
or golden sun
or zelda

do something enjoyable

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Eroges with your obscure fetishes.
Personally I'm gonna try reading vndb.org/v16129 and vndb.org/v18016 once I get enough kanji under my belt. Nothing helps keep you motivated like your dick.

yeah but writing in cursive makes you look like a fucking dickhead, so I'll stick with normal writing

that L is just a fancy Z

Dekinai-chan.

How? Learning cursive is mandatory in school, everyone knows it and it's quicker than printing

>How? Learning cursive is mandatory in school
Not anymore, gramps.

It's a more natural way of learning, by associating the kanji with readings and meanings in the context of words, which are applicable to the real world around you, instead of memorizing what essentially amounts to the equivalent of enemy stats in an RPG

i collected vocaloid and kept my player on the screen so i could read the titles as they play.

try not to learn too much vocab from h-doujinshi if you ever decide to take it serious ppl are not gonna have to stretch their imaginations too hard realizing why you're fluent in really filthy words.

>Learning cursive is mandatory in school
I was only taught cursive for like 2 months in 2nd grade, when I was like 8 years old. Most people don't know cursive from that little teaching. Also, it's not even taught anymore nowadays

99% of kids don't use cursive, because they're dumb. Americans don't even learn it.

In Germany it is, although they reformed it a few years ago and I can't read this new shit.

>Most people don't know cursive from that little teaching
How could you not know cursive after 2 months? Are you perhaps retarded?

>get taught cursive in school
>told everyone uses it in the adult world
>literally nobody uses it
>my dad told me signatures have to be in cursive
>I can literally and legally scribble nonsense and it counts as a signature

I don't think I would be able to write the whole alphabet in cursive anymore. I literally haven't used it since, like, second grade.

Bitch I was 8 and literally never had to use it again after that. In order to learn something, you need to keep practicing it. Nobody is gonna remember that shit forever when they never use it

Not using cursive is equivalent to bragging about being a 2 finger typer.

>never had to use it again
The fact you thought someone had to force you is what's pathetic. Sane children realised that the new method was 10 times faster and easier.

How did you take notes without writing? Cursive is faster than normal writing, albeit harder to decipher from someone else's notebook imo.

It's the most natural way to learn, yet kanji are still the biggest stumbling block for anyone learning. How does that work? Surely nobody would ever need to develop a way of learning them if "lmao just read xD" works so well.
And it's not useless information, it's absolutely vital information. Kanji represent concepts, you are learning what concepts they represent. If you "learn the word" you are learning what Japanese word represents that concept.

You can't get away from "English keywords", they're a fundamental part of how you understand the world.

What's up with anglos and cursive?
I noticed that all of my English teachers wrote in script or in some sort or bastard mix of cursive and script.
Why can't you guys write like normal people?

>try not to learn too much vocab from h-doujinshi if you ever decide to take it serious
Too late, I did VN Core. 亀頭, 膣内, 精液, 射精, 太腿, 乳首, and 乳房 are all ingrained in my memory.

cope harder, cursive-fags

literally the most COLONIZED language in the world

except mayb french

shi tsu so no n u ta me(?) su fu ku ke wa wo ni ni(again? hiragana ko maybe?)

how did i do senpai

アニメなんざ関係ない、言語は言語だ、ばーか

Qian thousand
Niu cow
Wu afternoon
Nian year
Yu jade
Wang king

How'd I do?

>>And it's not useless information, it's absolutely vital information. Kanji represent concepts, you are learning what concepts they represent.
Wrong, and wrong.

水 is water? Alright, what's 風水 then? The reality is that the vast majority of "meaning" buzzwords you learn will have no real basis in reality. Dedicated kanji study is a reasonable approach for some people, I did it. But because I'm not retarded, I learnt true meanings and actual readings instead of RTK buzzwords that oversimplify concepts so they fit neatly into a one word "explanation".

>Wang king

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鳥は白い翼

It's not like I haven't been before. But I started to get nervous when my advisor told me I was the first student to come through his lab who didn't say they liked Japan because of anime

The bones of hill and crag, the (arterial) branches of bank and mound, these are the trails of qi. [6]
2. The Classic says: Qi rides the wind and scatters, but is retained when encountering water.
3. The ancients collected it to prevent its dissipation, and guided it to assure its retention.
4. Thus it was called fengshui.
5. According to the laws of fengshui, the site which attracts water is optimum, followed by the site which catches wind.
>because I'm not retarded
Sure looks like you are. Next thing you're going to tell me that you have no idea why shield-spear means contradiction.

It's not really faster, I've got doctor-tier chicken scratch that makes sense to me. And it still fucks anyone who wants to look at my notes

Reminder that if anyone but you can easily read your handwriting you probably won't amount to much in life.

im fucking cry holy shit that image

i know it's you melonpan

What if I can't even read my own handwriting?

>cursive module in elementary
>everyone did it once, teacher made me do it twice because he hated my printing
>haven't stopped writing cursive since elementary
>only recently learning Architectural Lettering
Truly a blessing and a curse when your handwriting is kinda ugly

>if you don't write in cursive you write in robot-tier calculated print text
No

The way I write now is faster, looks better, and is more legible than when I wrote in cursive.

You probably have some kind of condition.

>What fong gond dong shu wu lead to the dai wai dong fong long?
Lost

what is the purpose of the 2nd alphabet? they both have all of the same sounds

>not learning spanish and then learning japanese from kira sensei
never gonna make it

YEAH WHY WOULD ANYONE have two alphabets for the same sounds?

>Learning cursive is mandatory in school

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fair point but aren't katakana and hiragana used for different words?

I bet I write faster than you, fagboy.

question from someone who is just starting learning:
How the FUCK do you even properly SEE the kanji in shit like this?
Its a fucking mess of pixels
I can barely see some of the more complex kana clearly, but how the fuck are you supposed to properly identify 14+ strokes kanji in shit like this?

i haven't been to japan but when i took japanese language courses in college the only student in the class who'd actually been to japan dropped after the first day (probably because the first cour was way too basic) the rest of the 15-something students were just fucking weebs who clearly just wanted to learn japanese so they could play japanese language games or read manga. i wanted to be able to do those things too, but i also wanted to speak the language and have actual conversations, which i could only do with sensei because the rest of these shitters either played pokemon in class, didn't show up, or didn't want to study conversation in pairs because they weren't interested. by the end of the second course there were only 3 of us attending class, and we all sucked at reading & conversation. it was fucking embarrassing but at least it took place in this tiny room among a small group of people and nobody was judging each other..

i think these are the people whom you're actually worried about. just secondary shitters who only enjoy an entire culture for 1 fucking thing. you won't find them in japan, they just don't make it that far. the people your advisor are talking about probably have only watched cowboy bebop or studio ghibli shit.

How dare you use logic and deductive reasoning skills.

katakana is sometime used for emphasis (kind of like italics in english), but most of the time it's used for foreign nouns or loan words like テレビ (terebi = TV) or エアコン (eakon = air conditioner)

Typically the Kanji in these games is geared pretty young. So that narrows it down far enough that you can guess it pretty consistently from general shape. The rest comes all from context.

yourselves* no wonder you couldn't get the op you don't even know english

Whatever loser, I haven't been in school for 15 years now I don't care how it is now only how it was
I learnt it from grade 1 to grade 6
Don't care what they do in America I'm Canadian
I use it everytime I need to hand write something because it's quicker and more natural than printing
I don't think you can write in foreign languages in cursive because the word order doesn't make as much sense as in English so it's harder to connect the letters

hiragana for native language
katakana for loan words

you just get used to the shapes over time.
i would not be using gameboy games to study for that very reason.

I think the difference between how far the two types of people get is how easy results come too. Like I said earlier, I'm basically an N4 shitter but when I'm in japan it works enough to start up basic convos in bars and you can pull out google translate to do some heavy lifting. You pretty much immediately have a good time and see progress, learn some stuff, make friends, etc.

Weebs and people who are in it for media at the same basic level boot up a VN and it might take them 10 minutes to make it through a sentence of prose or look up the Kanji they're missing and add it to anki. And then they have to repeat this grind forever and it sucks the fun out of the medium so they're back on the subtitle crutch soon enough. They've received no feedback and all they've accomplished is doing something they could do already just slower.

>literal hieroglyphics
and they say Japan is an advanced society. Ooga booga nigga

When I was in Japan I went to visit Akihabara, and man it was full of the biggest white losers you'd ever seen.
Neckbeards and big fat ugly losers in anime t shirts I felt embarrassed seeing them,
They were digging through boxes buying overpriced loose super Famicom carts that cost three times as much as a CIB game would in the countryside.

Because you see a bird's eye normally, but due to crows having black feathers and black eyes, you can't see a crow's eye as it blends in. You should have tried using logic to think this one out even if you didn't know the characters it was referencing.

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REAL NIGGA TALK:
so is remembering the kanji good or just a meme?
Ive sort of memorized kana now and practice every day, but i know very few words and expressions and shit in japanese
Should i learn to speak/form sentences better before taclking kanji?
Ive been using these videos by JapanSocietyNYC for vocabulary stuff:
youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4071737C12790477
and these for kana:
youtube.com/watch?v=6p9Il_j0zjc
youtube.com/watch?v=s6DKRgtVLGA

Are these alright? Any suggestions?

Thanks for reminding me of how much I hated writing z in cursive.

any tips on lesser known vidya stores over there in chinkland?
Im going in november and i was planning on getting a switch and a bunch of ps1/saturn/dreamcast games, akihabara was my idea

The word is logogram, brainlet

RtK is generally a helpful resource, but some of the mnemonics it recommends are weak so you might have to invent your own in a few places

It is infinitely more regular than kanji. There are many rules that tell you how to read out an English word (which doesn't mean it's not fucked up and full of exceptions, but it has rules), while there are no rules telling you how to read a kanji, especially in Japanese, where you just have to know how to say it IN THAT CONTEXT. In Chinese, most of them have only 1 pronunciation, and many of them have a phonetic component, which at least give you an idea about how to say it.

Kanji is the real hope killer

Shit is actually incredibly useful for communicating complex ideas or concepts.

Keep in mind that most kanji are designed to look kinda like the thing it represents. Pic related.

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>Multiple teachers in my middle school forced everyone to learn and write cursive for most of their assignments
>They said I'd have to write like this all the time in highschool and college
>Only ever used it for my signature since
At least it looks cool, but writing several paragraphs with it seriously hurt my hand and felt like a waste of time.

>tfw you'll never live in a time line where China industrialized first and colonized and west and spread their language
>the you'll never live in a time line where China never discontinued their voyages and used their advantage to colonize the western world
It hurts

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>most

not true

Speaking it is far, far easier than reading it. Mainly because only like 100 topics max will ever come up in daily coversation, all of which use a lot of the same words.

>most
some

Best way to learn it is just pure exposure. You ride the struggle bus for a while, but sooner or later your just pick up bits and pieces of it out of necessity or familiarity.

is this loss?

Kanji is quite useful in asian communities. If I see a sign outside a restaurant that has 上 on it, I know there's seating upstairs. Or someone wants to shove something up my asshole.

>communicating complex ideas or concepts
How so? I can't see how it'd help with complex concepts like say "schadenfreude" or "subatomic".

Yeah, I speak it daily with dudes over VoIP and its wayy easier than reading. Just have to remember general grammar structure and vocab.
this is how im learning right now!

Fine, most OLDER kanji

Where are you staying? Akihabara is cool to walk around in, or if there's very specific games you're looking for or less common systems like PC Engine or especially MegaDrive. If you want PS1 or Saturn games and you're just looking to buy anything you can find, don't bother buying from there, PS1 and Saturn shit is so common and easy to find, just hit up BookOffs in the suburbs and countryside that's your best bet.
Super Potato is really awful by the way, it's got a ton of stuff but it's small, it's cramped, it smells bad, and it's full of retarded white people being ripped off because they're too dumb to go shopping anywhere else. If you really want to look for games there go to Mandarake, it's a lot nicer and cleaner than Super Potato but isn't as cramped full of games.
Be prepared to have games shipped though, it's really easy to spend money there this was my haul of around 100 games, hidden under the boxes is stacks of PS1 and Saturn games

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This holds true until you reach about a 1st grade level

Find a public flea market. They're just giving shit away basically

I literally just got back from Tokyo yesterday

The shop I ended up spending the most time in in Akihabara was Madarake Complex, but TRADERS and Akihabara Gamers were also pretty dope.

Secondhand stores in alleys. Do you know how many saturns I own? You can never be too careful.

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It's quicker to punch out a single symbol than it is to spell out 'schadenfreude'. On top of that you can take two or separate symbols, combine them to get a new word or concept with another level of meaning to it.

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>japanese word for wife literally means get back in the kitchen

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Nut inside?

That's the old word which isn't usef very much
I think 奥さん or 妻 is more common

I just think it's hilarious is all

Yeah it's pretty funny

This is the post that convinces me to give this language a shot.

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It is the older way, but you still see people, mainly older folks, use it.
I have a client who uses it when he wants to be cheeky and imply he's going home to fuck his wife.

You're not. It's very clear you're not supposed to either. What was hard to understand about that?

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He's exaggerating but Japanese can definitely be very information dense. It's fun reading in Japanese, it has a very different feel to it.

>most
More like a few at most. Even the example you provided could look more like a mountain while only using 2 strokes.

Why use 山 when you could just use a bigger ^

奥 does mean "inside" though

奥さん basically means "Mrs. Inside (the house)"

I thought 嫁 was more common, is it only used in specific contexts?

Strongly recommend Dolly:
youtube.com/watch?v=U9_T4eObNXg

an eye you dumbass

>my saturn.webm
Wow, what a bitch!

Koreans should've kept Chinese characters
Their writing system now looks retarded

>I don't think you can write in foreign languages in cursive because the word order doesn't make as much sense as in English so it's harder to connect the letters
Spanish says you're full of shit.

Modern Korean is really well designed though, its implementation dramatically improved literacy rates in Korea

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She's not good with people. He jumped after it not because of the cost, saturns are cheap as shit in japan after all, but because he grew up playing VF2 with his father so his saturn has a lot of sentimental value for him.
So yes, she's a bitch.

Did he died?

>its implementation dramatically improved literacy rates in Korea
Koreans are fucking stupid compared to their chinese and Japanese brothers
The Japanese took the Chinese labfayge and made that shit harder by adding 2 more writing systems you don't see em bitching

嫁, and I think 妻 as well, are used to refer to your own wife
If you're talking about someone else's wife, 奥さん and something else I forget are more appropriate

We don't have any spics here so I don't know

He was hospitalized for jumping out of a third story window.

how the fuck is anyone supposed to read this shit from a screen? they are too fucking small

Not him and I may not be from a spanish-speaking country, but I took spanish classes in high school and the language writes in cursive just fine.

what the fuck was her problem?

American and euro schools better start preparing to teach Chinese as a second language

shuuuut the fuck up idiot.

Our founding nation's documents are written in cursive. How can we understand and respect our founders' intent when we can't even read their writing?
It's faster.

My high school only offered French (mandatory by law) Ancient Greek and Latin

>made that shit harder by adding 2 more writing systems
It's the way they use that first writing system what made their business hard.

There is no language more ugly sounding than Korean and Chinese

Now say that in mandarin

As opposed to increasing literacy by providing good public education lol

>How can we understand and respect our founders' intent when we can't even read their writing?
ushistory.org/declaration/document/

Fuck your teacher for the answer.

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>cursive is faster than printing
it absolutely is fucking not, i guarantee you that

French and Danish says hello

>2 months
I started heisig in february and I'm still not finished

His post made perfect sense to me
Things that rhyme with "bed": lead, led, read, red
Things that rhyme with "speed": lead, read
This doesn't make any sense at all when learning English, but it makes sense to linguists who who that these words originated from different proto-languages from areas around Germany, France, Norway, Rome, etc. Historical England liked to sail.

user you don't know anything. The fact is, the Chinese government knows that their entire economy is a house of cards and is living on borrowed time, and since they're a government that thinks in the long term they're planning ahead for that. That's the actual reason behind the social credit system. It's to create a massive labor force that are unemployable due to their social credit and thus, when the economy inevitably collapses, the government will have said labor force willing to be essentially slave labor for the state because that's all they can do still in the system.

It's nefarious but it's quite genius.

french and danish both sound better than bugman

all tonal languages can fuck right off. i still have no clue how actual bugmen tell what each other are saying because everyone has a slightly different voice.

english is one of the easiest, if not the easiest language to learn you fucking chimp.

it actually is, get your head out of the gutter.

That was fascinating to read

They literally don't especially Danish
He'll almost ever Scandinavian country makes fun of how Danish sounds

English is by far the most chad of all the languages because it beats up the other ones and steals their words if it thinks they will be useful.

Fuck off ESL.

P.S. even though danish is the worst of the Scandinavian country languages its still better than bugman aka chinese

>That's the actual reason behind the social credit syst
Every western source I've read about the social credit system seems to get it wrong

Don't forget the third group now.
Things that rhyme with "smelly pee": led

i love how foreign words cant really be translated perfectly with their alphabet so they get translated into a beautiful slurred version of it

Because they're all thinking short-term when the chinese government has never done that, they've always worked in the idea of "the next 50 years"

danish is the funniest european language
it's like retarded german

Found the Dane
Cope. Your language sounds like absolute shit, looks like shit too
Now that I think about it there is literally only one language that doesn't sound like shit and it's Japanese

Denmark is basically Germany's little hat so that makes sense.

From what I read it seems literally impossible for someone to get banned from trains, airplanes and working unless you're literally always committing crime

The system is still being rolled out and they haven't gotten full cooperation from the businesses yet. You gotta think long-term user because that's what they're doing, don't focus on the now.

>I can literally and legally scribble nonsense and it counts as a signature
I just draw smiley faces nowadays. It's been about 5 years and nobody has yet said anything to me about it.

I'm not a dane I'm an american who only speaks english.
You're just a pathetic weeb. Jap is such a shit language that English doesn't even NEED to cannibalize any of its sounds.

Also here you go nigger:
youtube.com/watch?v=Vt4Dfa4fOEY

That shit sounds like fucking sims nigga
Just accept the fact that Japanese is the is the only language in the world that doesn't sound like shit to non Japanese people

Only because it's the most international language and you're exposed to it everywhere.
In complete isolation it has far too many exceptions, unnecessary rules(and again exceptions to them), and the worst of all is that it's not a phonetic language. Phonetic languages like spanish and finnish are dozen times easier to learn just for this fact alone. (Again in isolation, in practice you'd learn english faster because you hear it more often and have more uses for it.)
I don't even know why someone ever thought it would be a good idea for the exact same letters to be spelled differently if placed in a different word. The idea of a "spelling bee contest" is a completely foreign concept to every other country because they had more sense in choosing their language.

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I literally just scribble a V and some U's my name doesn't even have those letters in it

Danskjävel

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That's how European sounds to us

あ゛

sorry but no
jap sounds like shit. it puts too much emphasis on altering words for different meaning.

thats why english is, always has been, and always will be the best language. outside of time frame (past present and future) words dont fucking change and we dont have any retarded bullshit masculine/feminine endings to fuck up the words. its one god damn word and if we want it to mean something slightly different then we put a secondary word before or after it, and avoid fucking up the word and how it sounds.

See
English would be the most retarded western language if not for Finnish

its not that hard. probably less strokes than english

compare

emperor to 天皇 for example. see em and 天 have the same amount of strokes (non cursive) and peror and 皇 are only two apart. ccount for less pen travel and cursive and kanji is way faster. easier to read faster as well since 1 page is usually equal to 1.5-2 pages of english in some technical situations at least

>i am not 3 people
wut?

what a meme

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>1k for a gbc
bruh

is it crazy how saying sentences backwards creates backwards sentences saying how crazy it is?

>this is what braindead weebs actually believe

doesn't differentiating kanji become harder if they aren't written correctly and therefore slow down students so they don't write too fast

What the vittu did you just saatana say to me you little perkele? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the tundra seals and have over 300 confirmed ruskie headshots.

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>try reading Yotsuba, since everyone recommends it
>get to third page
>spend half an hour trying to recognise pic related
I'm never gonna make it, am I?

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you can do it you just gotta spend more time memorizing all of the symbols

usually it was about half an hour for a page and a bit (year 10 equivalent). so still pretty fast.
と its yotsuba saying it right?

Classes are always absolutely useless. This applies not only to learning languages, but to everything. Self-education has always been and will always be the fastest and easiest way to learn something.
That being said, /djt/ with its anki autism also sucks.

>literally impossible
>23 million blocked in 2018 for "unspecified behavioral crimes."
Which could constitute anywhere between wrong think about the government or actually being a shithead bugman and deserving it

Romanisation is a bitch, I'd rather write it as Wong.

>it puts too much emphasis on altering words for different meaning.
What are you talking about

It's う nigga, but that is Yotsuba's font
Why would と be backwards

>wrong think about the government
That number would be way bigger if it were this
Lots of Chinese people criticize corrupt CCP officials online

I don't have much trouble recognising them, when I see them rendered on the computer. That's why it caught me so off-guard.
Yeah, it's Yotsuba. At first, I couldn't place it at all, then I started wondering whether it's an う or a backwards と. I figured maybe it looks that way to convey a child's manner of speech?

i remember some manga deliberately putting stuff backwards. post the context. iirc yotsuba fucked up most of her speech in the first volume. then i stopped because i wasnt enjoying it

>then i stopped because i wasnt enjoying it
Begone from me, swine

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It's shit what can I say

Keep in mind that these characters were written by brush originally, so a lot of fonts will emulate what happens with quick brushwork, merging lines together and changing directions of things compared to standard fonts. A lot like cursive, I guess.

when are you supposed to use kanji? for nouns?

>Self-education has always been and will always be the fastest and easiest way to learn something.
During my time in university I learned the most when I took "distance classes". Basically, you study from home and if you need any help you had access to the class' forum and teacher online.

what are anime cards

>I figured maybe it looks that way to convey a child's manner of speech?
It's just a simple, playful font for Yotsuba
The way they convey her speaking like a child is that she only speaks in kana

She also shares some verbal mannerisms with her father, which is a nice nuance in that she kind of speaks like a boy, because she's raised by a single father, so all she hears is masculine Japanese.

tokyo, kyoto and osaka are the big cities im visiting
Dont know exact location yet

>tfw learning japanese and memorizing
>can now search up "スマブラsp勇者" and other simple things on youtube and get actual japanese youtube results
eventually, bros...

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It's う a for 今日 right?
今日は祭り

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They were preparing you to use it as unbreakable code in the race war

正解

Four

Is that a fucking tranny speaking?

>Organic Japanese
They should get an organic host first before claiming to teach anything organic.

No, just a weirdo. That weirdo knows Japanese and you don't, are you going to let that stand?

Hey man i wasnt complaining, just pointing it out
ima check them out

i read it in english before up to a certain point. whats the point? its such an easy read for me so why would i?

no, its 京都はまつり。yotsuba doesnt know that the romanization assumed the heburn form and was eventually bowlderised

n?

>whats the point? its such an easy read for me so why would i?
Because it's cute and fun and one of the best manga ever

At least English is phonetic. You can read a word youve never seen before but if you dont know a kanji you just dont fucking know it. There is no sounding it out, either you do or dont know it. Fucking bonkers moonrune language.

what the fuck is a kabob?

>At least English is phonetic
Wind
Wind
Which one is the thing that blows and which is the thing can you do with a rope?

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>At least English is phonetic.
What? No it's not. Not in any consistent way that would matter. At least in Japanese they know this and have an entire phonetic alphabet and write out pronunciations next to kanji. In English there's a lot of words that have same clusters of vowels and consonants but they're pronounced totally different. e.g.
>though
>trough
>tough
>firing an arrow from a bow vs. taking a bow after a performance

depends on context

In a phonetic language you should be able to tell the difference from the script.

well its certainly happy and led to a good flash game, but to rank it as one of the best is a bold move.

kebab is arab
kabob is hook nose
kebap is turkey

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langlet btfo'd

which one is the verb and which is the noun?

>At least English is phonetic. You can read a word youve never seen before
Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.

this, literally the definition of a phonetic alphabet is that the alphabet itself tells you how to pronounce things.

You have no reading comprehension, do you? The point of the original post was that if you see a word you have never seen before, at least you can still read it and sound it out. Thats impossible to do with chink script

Nice moving goalposts you weeb faggot. I was talking specifically about kanji and did not mention the japanese phonetic system.

No you can't. How many people have fucked up "epitome" because they've only ever seen it written?

You literally have no idea how japanese and Chinese work
You got BTFO give it up

The point is you can still read it, whether correctly or not. You cannot fucking read 壁炉 if you dont know what already know what it is.

Lmao I AM CHINESE you stupid weeaboo mutt

This was a good thread. Much better than the /djt/ who was just full of unhelpful niggers. Thank you.
出来ます!

AH CHING CHONG PING LING

You're an American who's LARPing as a chinese man

>The point is you can still read it, whether correctly or not.
If you're reading it incorrectly, you can't read it. Period.

the best threads about language learning are in Yea Forums

What do you expect of generals? Anyone with any ounce of decency avoids them.

>"At least English is phonetic"
>It's not phonetic
>Neither is kanji, which is why they use a separate phonetic system
>"STOP MOVING GOALPOSTS"
stay mad about languages user

whoch djt? the one full of people saying is shit, the one with an autistic polish guy or the one that doesnt exist anymor