How different would your life be if you used all the time you spent playing vidya to learn an instrument or a skill?

Sheet music is so archaic. We need a new system that's easier to read, like Esperanto for music

Not at all.

>sheet music is hard to read
wut

There are a few, but I haven't found anything that would click.

it is

Not different at all since I don't play video games.

as much as I want to tell you to git gud, there's some really dumb rules that they will never change because of muh tradition

Kek. It is the easiest thing in the world.

do you have it recorded?

Where the fuck are those G clefs, what is going on

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I played in a college band in the NCAA tournament, I'm just pretending to be something more than I am by using words like "global television" when describing collegiate sports. You can find me on youtube here and there and I've sat in with local bands who needed a cheap saxophone player for this or that.

stop lying dipshit

I'm learning your moms organ.

Based

You need to go practice

I just started learning 3 weeks ago actually.

wow. I can a play an instrument. just like those broke assholes on the streets and in the subways who try to guilt you into dropping a dollar into their hat. or those losers approaching a midlife crisis in bars that nobody wants to fucking hear because they came here to talk to girls not hear some asshole cover Savoy Brown songs.

truly learning an instrument is the ticket to being a winner.

Alot more interesting to say the least

I’ve spent equal time practicing guitar. Feels good

My life would be worse. Learning to play an instrument is too hard and not fun until you can actually play well. Put 1000 hours into videogames and you get 1000 hours of fun. Put 1000 hours into a musical instrument and you only have another 9000 before it starts being fun and not just work.

I honestly just look where the dots are. Fuck all those lines and shit.

I did, and it's like playing some competitive game, like I dunno, CS:GO. You reach a silver shitter tier and then suddenly you have to put way too much effort to the point it becomes off-putting.
It might be easier if you do it as a team (band), but solo? I play my weeb songs every now and then to retain muscle memory, call it quits.

Probably not much since I also play music, draw/paint, write, and act as well.

It's not the same. Playing instruments sucks and is tiresome. I can do a 30h Civ marathon no problem I'd pass out if I had to play piano for three hours straight.

How would you recommend learning Piano? I really just don't know where/how to start. I can't even get a straight answer on how many keys a standard keyboard has or if it even matters!

I would have probably had sex at this point

Writing shitty fanfic and shoot a porno doesn't count, user.

that's still cool though, i only played in my room

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>Pick a simple song
>Learn it
>Pick a harder song
>Learn it
>Repat ad infinitum

You dumb fucking nigger. Literally anything worth doing is also done by assholes, douchebags, and losers. If that's your fucking metric for picking a hobby then you might as well give up on life in general and kill yourself, but oh wait, assholes and losers do that too!

not much different, I already do that
impresses people sometimes and gives me something else to do when I don't want to play vidya
hasn't stopped me from being a piece of shit

here's some improv
vocaroo.com/i/s1Wv32WtfoMG

1) get a keyboard, it's way cheaper
2) look up lessons online on YT
3) have discipline to dedicate some time of your day to practicing, you will see results, I can promise you that

Assholes breathe as well, so you should stop doing that

>be me
>pick bach's toccata and fugue
>switch to guitar

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Damn, where do you live that allows porno on stage?

I can't even finish games, I could never learn an instrument?

I started to learn the piano at 16. I'm 32 and I don't even try that hard anymore. I should pay me often (I have the time) but other hobbies have taken my time.

Up to this day, I believe the only obstacle ti learning anything is a shitty attitude. You can learn anything y in want faster than all those 5 year old Asian kids if you stop with the excuses, sit down and just fucking do it.

Learning an instrument is just an irl never ending quest whose reward comes every time you sit and play. Stop with the excuses and play daily

The number of keys just determines the octave range

I've been telling myself to teach myself programming since you can apparently land a six figure job in less than three months with zero experience somehow. But I just keep playin' vidya. I'm sure the salaries have dropped to like 90k by now.

The system is fine but if you have a better way to write music for every instrument, then I'm all ears, user

if you're playing a string instrument like bass you can always use tabs

You missed the part where OP said "or a skill" to fling some of that shit you're covered in with your bread winner post there, champ. Your skill at shitposting needs improvement if that's all you're learning in your gaming downtime, based on that post.

You missed the boat.
Entry level programming jobs are outsourced to India now.

>i'm gonna ignore 500 years of teaching tradition
Good luck with that.

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Just read orchestral scores with all the different clefs and transpositions and it will become easy quicker.

it's easy but not for stringed instruments
especially since technically something like the guitar covers a span of 3-4 octaves in a typical chord shape and that's not how sheet music is typically written
also the sheet music won't tell you what the appropriate position of the chord should be, since stringed instruments are transposing and there is more than one way to play a single note at a given octave

I hit old age status and now I've actually been looking to learn some skills due to increased downtime in my life. I bought some books to learn a bit of python from the recent humble bundle to see where that goes, and also asking for a keytar to relearn music playing, as I played the xylophone back in high school. The dream is to play chill stuff like youtube.com/watch?v=UJlhP0d2NnI and learn along the way for fun.

It's never too late to learn skills and redefine oneself. The dude who played Snape in the Harry Potter films didn't take acting lessons til he was in his late 30s / early 40s, and he did alright for himself in the end.

>labeled keys
For what fucking purpose?

>music hard

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Post your blank keyboard

I'm too retarded to know how to scrub metadata, but not so retarded to not know it exists.
Try again.

I draw feral porn.

I'd just be a junkie playing the guitar like my friend. He's very good at it though but the bands couldn't stand him.

it's not that hard dude, learning every instrument is mostly the same process
learn your major and minor scale, learn how to play all 24 keys (12 major and 12 minor), learn how to construct basic chords and read music for the instrument
if you already know basic music theory you're halfway there, the rest is muscle memory and ear training
the last half is the most important part and you can improve that just by playing literally any music and practicing

What, and too new to know Yea Forums removes it?

Then he just needs to move to India.

The least they could do is have distinct symbols for each note instead of just stupid dots that all look the same

I own and play several different instruments but my life is still shitty and unfulfilling. What now?

I'd still be a loser

There's a whole board about music if you really wanted to learn. If you want to actually learn, you need something with weighted keys at minimum. About 300 bucks for an actually good keyboard.

Shittiest fucking excuse I ever heard.

I wonder why tabs exist

I'm not posting pictures. Just imagine a keyboard with a layer of dust, that doesn't have useless sticker labels that will just make the keys feel slightly bumpy.

tabs

>Learned basics of money management, patience, got reflexes from laughable to ok, and even improved social skills with dialogue trees

I think it was a good investment. Call me an autist raised by wolves, but I'm happy.

Andres Segovia said it best, the only people who can write sheet music for guitar are people who play it

For EVERY instrument, tabs don't take note values into account, by the way. If you don't know long a note should last, you're fucked. You can't write silences with tabs

I did both, learned keyboard guitar and drums, life still isn't that much different from anyone else. Only difference is sometimes I whip out the guitar for a half hour. Do what makes you happy, doesn't matter if one is seen as "more valuable". It's your only life, don't do anything you don't want to.

>played the xylophone
Cover this youtu.be/w2xLPHEQ0F8

I know how to play the piano, violin, guitar and sax, I could use the time I spend playing vidya to learn another one but why would I?

You play them on guitar now?

no, that would be impossible

Honestly most people who play video games should learn an instrument on the side for when they lose that bit of motivation to play something new or are waiting for new releases.
Learning a piece of music usually makes you appreciate it even more and you'll find yourself finding more interest in certain games simply because of their soundtrack. It's a hobby just like games and you're not playing games to be the best in the world - you're playing them because you enjoy them. I have no idea why more people don't see it the same way with music. It's a very fun side thing and not nearly as intimidating as it seems to be good enough to play along to whatever you enjoy

start practicing
youtube.com/watch?v=qSlcHPdialI

I play guitar quite well, there are certain games that learning to be proficient at feel kind of like learning an instrument, like fighting games. I guess the difference is that you can't "play" for people in the same way

I started a series called piano for all. It's going well I need to start playing again.

I think I can play that, but you wouldn't be able to play the whole song alone

jamming with other musicians is like playing a game

I have to disagree there. I used to play with my buddies in undergrad at a bar and there is simply no way to recreate that feeling. Everyone playing in unison, the people watching getting into it, it's otherworldly.

not that OP but playing improv and just jamming is kind of like a game

I've been playing guitar since my early teens (28 now) but yes, I would be much more of an accomplished musician if I had spent more time on it rather than playing video games. I love vidya though and I cherish many of the experiences I've had so whatever, it's not like you can't do both. I've been working on writing songs with the end goal of producing an album for years, but I always feel like it could be better and I make no progress with it. My playing improves along the way though so I guess I'll get there eventually.
>tfw nearly 30 and still not letting go of my rockstar dreams

Bad tone

Back in college when I had access to a piano I tried to learn but it got too hard, my hands cant do two seperate things at once.
More recently, I tried to learn to program but it got too hard
After that I tried learning morse code but it got too hard. Well I didnt give up on this one yet but its not as easy as I thought it'd be, I still do a little bit daily
I forget what I was trying to learn before then recently, I download FL studio to try and make music but I didnt install it yet because someone said I should learn music theory first but I didnt get around to it.

a game can create a similar feeling if it's in a similar setting
youtube.com/watch?v=JzS96auqau0

Don't!

Check if theres any instant access packs for the next thing you learn

Oh. Okay. I'll stop. Sorry.

>my hands cant do two seperate things at once.
Can you type? Then you can play the piano - you just need to practice and learn the proper muscle memory.

WHY THE FUCK DO = C? WHY ISN'T DO A?

fuck you i laughed

But I did. I only recently started playing video games.

The piano has 88 keys. You can get a digital, just make sure it has weighted keys. That matters.

because fuck logic, it's tradition.

What tradition?

>How different would your life be if you used all the time you spent playing vidya to learn an instrument or a skill?
My parents made me practice piano 4 hours a day for 12 years. It's fun and I still do it, albeit not as much, but it's just not useful at all

C major has no flats or sharps in convention, and that's why solfege is taught with C in mind
what you should be asking is, why the fuck didn't they name this specific scale the A major scale instead

I've learned an instrument.

That's what my question literally is though.

recommend me some good youtube channels for learning piano and modern music

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You could get girls
Probably

So what is wrong with VIDEO GAMES then

>he hasnt been playing an instrument during cut scenes and loading screens since he was 10
to late to start now im afraid :^)

music theory is entirely convention
there's no reason that C is C, that A is 440Hz or that there a twelve tones in an octave. That's just the way we've always done it.

If you didn't start doing these things in your teens or as a kid or didn't do the foundations of them then, its pointless to start now, you'll never be good

I wish I would have spent all that time on videogames and had a normal life

The guy who originally made "do re mi" based it off the tune of a Latin chant that started on C called "Ut Queant Laxis"

I regret not learning how to play the guitar and piano. I'll probably be a bitter person in the future or just jealous as fuck.

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I did learn a skill, I've been drawing since I was a wee lad, now I work on games professionally. Get fucked.

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I tried playing guitar and bass but I am a lazy fuck and my eye-hand coordination is fucking shit, also my wrist fucking hurts after a few minutes.
I play videogames because they give me instant gratification unlike playing an instrument that makes my wrist hurt and being a talentless hack only makes me feel worse when after months I still can't play easy songs.
Some people are just bound to fail, I accepted it years ago.

What's a good and easy language to learn just for the fuck of it.

Right. Now don't do it again.

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if you can type on a keyboard, you can learn an instrument

java

Would you or anyone recommend that python bundle? Got me interested

If you think music has anything to do with eye-hand coordination, then it might be that you're just fucking dumb. But don't worry, plenty of guitarists are and for bass that's practically a requirement.

Get a tutor, though.

actual harmonic resonances are not simply arbitrary
the names we give things are of course, and i honestly think western notation is garbage
but studying the physics of vibration as well as musical psychology is always useful

>everyone always told me I had an "ear for music"
>could sit at a piano and start shitting out the SMB theme or whatever
>never stuck with it
>used to doodle in class all the time too
>was considered "good at drawing" until high school when you meet the kids who are actually good at it
>never continued after high school or bothered to learn how to draw properly
Whoops.

Also I don't know shit about programming

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I play guitar and hike

>be percussionist
>have to share your sheet music with 5 other parts because the composer was too lazy to put them all on a single line and separate them out so instead you have a clusterfuck of notes overlapping each other

Also back to thread topic, I was in band from 7th grade until I graduated high school and can safely say I preferred my video games. I turned down a music scholarship(mostly because there’s no money in the field unless you’re a gifted god) and played video games for two years straight after graduation before realizing I was wasting my life.

it's nowhere near the same and you know it. Also I've been typing on a keyboard since I was like 6 or so, perfect age to start learning anything

i recommend learning the accordion to be honest, its a very versatile instrument
t. playing guitar for 25 years

if not that then learn something that can play microtones so you are at least less restricted

Wow pushing a bunch of keys in sequence is so impressive... whoa... I could totally make a career our of pressing shit in order....

I can do both
I can't read sheet music but the muscle memory clicks

Roland makes MIDI accordeons now so these kids could make their trap beats and chiptunes on them

>in sequence
any machine could do that
its about pressing them ever so slightly out of sequence user

But I play multiple instruments and have skills and I’m still a miserable incel that wants to die

>I can’t read sheet music
You should
It’s really fucking easy and is basic elementary level math with note names added

That sounds like shit

I mean, that's what programming is. You learn a theory about what the right order is and then you press shit in that order
Sometimes you don't remember what that is, so you look it up, but the pros do it intuitively

i'd want to learn an instrument but i'm also learning to draw at the same time so i'm going to be shit at two things and not just one

>Wow pushing a bunch of keys in sequence is so impressive..
Are we talking about music or video games at this point?

python is brainlet-proof

good
true art can only be created through suffering
youtube.com/watch?v=oA3244qZTYU

I would have way less good memories with my friends, nothing beat playing smash on a crt in the school hallways

I ironically gained all of my friends from being in band
Why do people think it’s one or the other?
Back in high school, me and my other drumline friends used to get high and play Melee anytime we didn’t have practice

who said there was anything wrong with it you mongoloid?

>actual harmonic resonances are not simply arbitrary
true, but you could pick any value for your baseline, we just use a=440 because that's what we use

That's why you learn improvisation instead of being a soulless robot that just plays sheet music all day.

The real kicker is that you could approximate the harmonic sequence with something other than the 12 semitones.

Or play jazz and do both

>implying I can type on a keyboard
Yeah hearing that really doesn't help me.
I've been using computers since I was like 2 or 3, but my wpm is still only like 40 and I cant touch type for shit. Though literally everyone else on Yea Forums and /g/ has a wpm of like 60 and claims touch typing came to them naturally after typing for years. So I'm really just shit

im the same way I taught myself how to play piano when I was 9 but gave up on it cause I cant read music.

I have learned other skills, but to fully dedicate myself to them would bore me. Sadly this means I'll never achieve mastery but it's better than not trying at all.

the same or worse

Monkeys who memorize a few songs on sheet music don't really know the instrument. With knowing the instrument comes aural skills and music theory knowledge as well. There's more to it than technical ability. Sight reading is interesting but you won't get as much out of it than if you were to have the ability to truly express your emotions on the spot through music.

I tried to play the guitar once. I just don't have the will to do anything besides shitposting or play vidya for 20 minutes.

I learned guitar cuz I wanted to play songs from videogames, if it was the other way around, I dont think I ever will get into vidya.
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Try Rocksmith. It really helps lazy fucks doing the daily grind.

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I've been at computer since I was 12 and I still can't touch type. Complete and utter lack of coordination.

I said "good memories" with friends not gaining friends

Have you played any MMOs before? I think having an mmo or other online game with type chat is the best way to learn because you need to say things on the fly.

Learn to play one handed first.
Piano is a bit like drums in that both your hands need to be functioning independently of each other, which can be hard to get to grips with.

What am I supposed to do with that, play shitty boomer rock band cover songs? Stand outside a train station begging for spare change? That's no fun.

Professional brass player here.

Since graduating I hardly ever play games anymore. Its not even due to a lack of time, but when youre so occupied with other things then games and virtual realities don't really keep up that internal attraction to the medium that I used to have.

Also, because my whole friend and family circle as well as colleagues are all people doing non-nerdy things, so again, virtual stuff isn't really on the menu right now.

I remember having such a phase before and then MGS3 was released for PS2 and it drew me back into the medium. There's probably gonna be a game that will do the same, but so far, I'm just not feeling any interest or attachment. I'm only on Yea Forums to keep up with news sporadically these days.

I've been playing bass guitar for 10 years and keyboard longer than that. It's very enjoyable, rewarding and gratifying and is on another level to games, it doesn't mean gaming isn't fun though.

The key to instruments is sticking with them, people go in expecting to be good or get good quickly. They don't, they get bored and give up.

I'd probably be drawing incredibly degenerate psychological horror porn doujins about various danganronpa girls

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Nope. I tried FF 14 a while back and I was abysmal at it once more bars came up.

It's strange considering my qualifications and the like, but bad coordination and poor memory render an internal skill build up difficult. Something I've previously learned can be easily forgotten in a few weeks.

this basically

I play lots of vidya but I'm also learning piano and have a high paying job requiring excellent hand motor skills. If anything, fighting and action games are a big reason why I got into my career and music.

I learned English playing videogames, and knowing it got me my current job.
So I'd say a lot worse.

>tfw I have skill and suffering but everything I create is still garbage unless I smother it in 6 layers of ironic Reddit jokes to protect my ego

How do I dissociate hard enough to break my attachment to the ego? Already tried psychedelics

for me it worked for a few months, then I realized despite missing most notes it registered them as correct and stopped playing that crap

you would suffer upon the realization that everything you liked was shit and everything popular is shit and the only stuff that is good is stuff everyone who is not a musician will not even realize is good and probably pass on the street
its one of the ways to obtain the requisite suffering in the world

I tried learning a guitar. Playing it isn't that hard, but music theory is some incomprehensible alien shit. I'm too brainlet for that. I guess I'll just stick with drawing.

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I don't think I want to ruin music like I've done everything else I once enjoyed. I get enough suffering just trying to do basic tasks most humans take for granted.

>Writing the notes on the piano

Cringe. If you want to learn how to play you cannot look at your hands.

if one wanted to play music they would do it without someone telling them. what's the point of forcing it? so you can brag about it?

I don't see a timeline where I would have stuck with learning any skill enough to to master it to any appreciable degree. My problem was that I could never stay serious about something if I wasn't noticeably better at it than my peers. I had an art class once where I was better than everyone else (at least to my mind's eye) and I was stoked on at until I moved up to the next level and I ran into people with more natural talent than me and I just gave up. I wish I could have the kind of personality where that motivated me to improve, but I don't have it in me.

I read some old report cards where the teacher noted that I gave up on things that I couldn't quickly master and in group work I'd stop trying if it wasn't instantly clear that the group world follow all my ideas. Maybe that's why I gravitated towards videogames. That way I could the hero who secretly had the ultimate power all along. I could finally be the chosen one who got all the talent and power handed to him on a silver platter.

If anyone here has a dream they should pursue it no matter how shitty your output is. I used to mock delusional artists who think their doodles are worth something, but arty least they're making something and not giving up.

>he doesn't play synthesia
>he doesn't play vidya music using sythesia
>he doesn't practice fingering with synthesia
>he doesn't learn how to read sheet music with sythesia
>he doesn't have an 61 key midi controller to play nearly any song
>he doesn't use a midi controller to compose new songs
Bro I shiggy diggy doo doo woo woo on you you uguu guu~

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How do you even learn a skill when video games exist?
>drawing is fun
>get to the point where I'm good enough to notice everything I'm doing wrong and feel bad about it but still bad enough to struggle with not doing it
>read and watch countless guides
>progress still extremely slow
>it's no longer fun
>back to ez dopamine from video games

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How are tabs better than sheet music? Tabs take up more space, don’t give you rhythm, dynamics, or time.

The same
I played 3 different instruments in high school band

one day you will realize your fingers are playing on their own and you just give them suggestions
then you are free from responcibility

its not ruined, its an upgrade, you can listen to the likes of pipa master lin shi-chen
youtube.com/watch?v=p39jV1Xmyl8
you can wonder why hes playing an instrument with a missing fret and not even caring.
You can then realize you dont actually know what a pipa is and google it real fast to make sure that frets are actually missing from it - yes, yes they are. You know the physics of strings, you inferred that instrument is missing frets with out even knowing what it is. This is the power of experience.
You wonder if the way he casually flings his fingers around is a formal technique or just a way he has learned to point at the instrument magically to coax out sound.
Then you marvel at the times he jams a finger under the string to play microtones by creating a fret with his fingernail
his blank expression through all of this, bored, and understand he truly is a master of the pipa

This is bad advice. Learn to play twohanded or you’ll always be behind.

Just learn easy songs, as with any instrument. Always start with hot cross buns. Always start with Mary had a little lamb, and work your way up

>Then you marvel at the times he jams a finger under the string to play microtones by creating a fret with his fingernail
Maybe if it wasn't missing frest he wouldn't have to do that lmao what a dumbass.

Honesty I don't get the obsession with music instruments. I get that playing them can be fun and everything, but why are parents forcing their child to go to music school and stuff like that? It's not like playing a music instrument is essential for getting a job. I think the time would be better spent learning another language or something along those lines.

The same except more boring

For good music it is. You have to pay attention to the key and notes getting sharped/flatted/naturaled instead of there just being more lines to fit twelve notes. Dumbass 16th centuriers. I’m glad they’re dead.

While a greater understanding is appreciated, I am certain it would amount to doubting my own abilities to see a grand master play so flawlessly, and further push me into a self-hate cycle before throwing in the towel and starting at the beginning. I can forego all that with minimal time investment and just say "wow he is good at that twing twang machine" without making it into a complex.

>ctrl-f synthesia
based
youtube.com/watch?v=2n71uC-hjS8
been using it since like 08. people think im a piano god but I've never had formal lessons. I might take some one day and find out what actually needs to be learned.

Because music is a fun skill. Bands promote a good social atmosphere and a sense of teamwork. It’s like a sports team, and there are values to learning music theory.

I was considering taking all the extra time I have to learn coding at a trade school, but I got nervous and gave up on it like the rest of my dreams

It would be the same but I'd have angry neighbors

i'd probably be alot better at drums right now.

If I would have used all my gaming time on learning something like programming or investments, I would probably be a millionaire by now. We are talking about tens of thousands of hours by now. But I don't regret it one bit, gaming is the only thing I have ever actually enjoyed.

You’re stupid, it would be significantly harder to read sheet music with more lines. Your problem is you are reading music way beyond your skill level. Learn easier stuff and work your way up

Melee is definitely a similar experience

esperanto is a failed disaster, a literal meme for midwits. music esperanto is the last thing anyone needs

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>tfw learned tenor sax
>all the sheet music for it fucking sucks

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things aren't worth doing for the sake of fun, they're worth doing because they're worth it to you no matter how little fun you might have

based

I never met anyone who puts this shit on their keys

Better if it was a skill, but playing instruments is even more pointless than vidya.

Lmao, I’ve literally sold thousands of albums faggot

he simply doesn't care anymore. the master is beyond care, if he needs to play a note, he plays it, the way he plays it no longer matters, he doesn't even need to consider, he just does

But... playing music IS a skill?

>These retards shitting on sheet music

You guys realize the ONLY reason we know the names Beethoven, Mozart, and Bach today is because they wrote their music down, and the ONLY reason it can be played exactly the way it was supposed to sound is because sheet music gives exact instructions that can be played on any instrument?

>Why don't we just use tabs
Because tabs give no sense if rhythm or time and because you already need to know how the song sounds in order to play it properly. It also only works for stringed instruments, and the same song cannot be played on a piano with the same instructions

>Why don't we use something like synthesia or other guitar hero simulators
Same problem as above. You need to know how the song sounds in order to play it.

And he still can't play an instrument properly. How sad.

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>2800 in rocket league
>grand champ multiple times
>if still in my teens could probably turn pro
I've always had interest in piano but parents couldn't afford the classes when I was younger.

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>he doesn’t know how tabs work

>You need to know how the song sounds in order to play it
That's absolutely fine for 99% of bedroom musicians, most people just think something like "man I want to play Smells Like Teen Spirit" and a bunch more songs they already like.

What makes them worth it to me if they aren't fun, though?

go to bed jacob

It limits what you can play and you'll never be able to transition into learning brand new music.

Complicated tabs with rhythm and time are actually much harder to read than music, and again, they limit what instrument they can be played on.

>Because tabs give no sense if rhythm or time and because you already need to know how the song sounds in order to play it properly

pic related

the only upside of sheet is that it's universal and can be used for any instrument, but once you start getting into music theory you realise that the current system is horribly retarded and the only reason it exists because someone decided so once and nobody bothered to fix it

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Why are you even arguing with idiots user?
the theory of harmony in music is one of the most beautiful and deep things man has created.

Don't bother with people who stopped at pentatonic scales.

I hate to break it to you, but the truth is you have no actual interest or passion for music. The same goes for art, athletics, academics, programming, gamedev, or whatever else you think you "should have been doing". You do not like these things for their own sake, you like the idea of being good at them. The fact that you would decide to take the time to make this thread instead of closing your browser and doing something else is proof of that.

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i am useless and weak and dumb

Fucking this
Best post goes ignored as usual, never change Yea Forums

jealous here

the pipe organ is sick as hell

i bought a keyboard and got bored of it in two weeks

Some people just need a push to get into something because they haven't tried it out yet.

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>instrument
Exactly the same
>skill
What, like juggling? Exactly the same. I guess I could learn some new languages I’ll never use.

just make your music with your own system

>to defend notation i will give examples of baroque :^)
baroque counterpoint is probably the thing our notation is best suited to represent because its nothing but note complexity

I wouldn't have wasted my youth.
All of my classmates were well disciplined and were already mindblowingly good at art, music, math and other shit by the ages of 13-16 and well prepared for adult life, while my autistic dumbass just came back from school and sat to play videogames everyday. I didn't even learn to play competitively or program.
Please, anons. Keep videogames the fuck out of your kid's reach until they develop an useful talent for their adult lives. It's cruel but it's better than ending up like Chris Chan or me.

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I started to turn into a mapfag. I was getting better and quite enjoyed it, but I just give up because I don't have the will needed to really improve.

>but once you start getting into music theory you realise that the current system is horribly retarded
Not him but are you literally retarded?
The western system for notation is pretty much as universal a language as it gets. You can note down the simplest tunes to the most complex phrases with ease and accuracy, understandable by even 5yo.

>the only reason it exists because someone decided so once and nobody bothered to fix it
Again, if you knew what you were talking about then you'd know that there are plenty of other systems existing, but none actually succeeded because they weren't as universal and proficient. Even other countries who had completely different harmonics and temperaments/frequencies adopted western notation for a reason(besides adopting the temperament as well.)

I can only assume you're a guitar or bass fag who's learned from home with tabs and who's too stupid to actually learn what literal kids are able to, because otherwise I have no idea how anyone could spout such nonsense.

to be fair for someone who has never read music or gotten musical art education looking at sheet music for someone between 18-25 years old would be pretty difficult if at the least looking foreign.

Kids are capable of learning new lenguages at the speed of light. They're also better at learning musical language.

Ok retards, music is pretty easy. There are different frequencies that correspond different signal our ear can interpretate as a sound.
Just sort different notes according to their frequencies, split them in groups, define their duration, figure out which notes correspond and add well together and...

Oh wait.

About the same shit or worse

Honestly, only reason I can come up with is that the lowest key in a piano is a La, or an A, so from low to high that's the first note, hence the A

bro same. get synthesia

install python3. install pycharm. start reading learn python the hard way by zed shaw. do the drills and exercises. finish the entire book and see how you feel. after that you've legitimately gotten your feet wet. get the actual useful programming guide collection from /t/
t. learning python and getting freelance work in it.

sheet music is efficient if you play the piano in c major

literally every other scenario when it's used it's suboptimal - just for starters, there is literally no reason sharps/flats should have a special connotation or should be differentiated from normal notes at all, it literally only exist because that's how it was done before

I'm literally baffled at the tab babbies ITT trying to talk shit about classical notation.
Tabs are literally entry level notation that doesnt cover 1/10 the possibilities of classic notation.

>literally invented to have peasants play basic music in the 14th century
>almost completely disappeared several times throughout history
>volume and tempo signs were only added after the renaissance
>completely misses most phrasing options and relies on the musician already knowing the song he wants to play so he knows how it s supposed to sound
>completely unsuitable for any complex musical piece like most classical, jazz or non-european pieces
autodidacts need to apply themselves. go shitpost somewhere else you cultureless fucks

>like Esperanto
So you mean a huge fucking meme?

It is pretty hard to read without a lot of practice. I usually just look at what I'm supposed to play in synthesia, try to analyze it and turn it into chords or something that's easier to keep in mind, and play it on the piano. It's not effective, but if I used sheet music, I'd be doing the same by counting out every note and writing its name above it.

i had a keyboard that i was practicing on but i lost it after my house got sprayed for insects and im pretty sure they stole it

worse than now
i would probably be dead
vidya the only thing that makes me happy

The last line ruined it. You basically said "If you like doing something, you have to do it 24/7 or you don't actually like it. You can only enjoy one thing."

I've had sex.

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but there are many different ways to play the same note and our notation system is very lacking in instructing how to do that.

This is quite important too, because really there is not a difference between the same note played at 5 different volume levels and 5 notes from the same scale played in sequence at the same volume level.
One is the same frequency at different amplitudes, and the other is the same amplitude at different frequencies.

Notation then is very lacking when it comes to being a way to describe sound. It describes one characteristic of western music well, but that's it. Its lacking in many ways, and would be absolutely useless at microtonal music
youtube.com/watch?v=Huu0LX7rZzY

If real life skills had cheevos I'd be a fucking master of the arts

That's why every professional piano musician who plays in all kinds of keys reads sheet music.

>there is literally no reason sharps/flats should have a special connotation or should be differentiated from normal notes at all
Except, you know music theory and chords.

Reading music is a skill. If you practice it it becomes second nature. No professional musician will tell you it's overly complicated or archaic.
youtube.com/watch?v=b9IkpUYlOx8

>Play in band from middle school through university
>Learn sheet music
>Try and pick up guitar
>Look at tabs
>Confused by all the numbers everywhere

I get that it's easier, but for someone who isn't used to the instrument it looks confusing.

I learned how to play guitar. And I was in a few bands. Shit went south and then we broke up.
Real life skills do have achievements you brainless monkey.

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>You could get girls
I have a gf and girls don't fall for classical music lmao

Jokes on you fag, i spent thousands of hours playing games and im good at guitar aswell.
Just the other day i learned eponas song by ear.

It's hard to read anything without lots of practice. You think I popped out of the womb writing my blistering shitposts? Took a few years, my nigga.

STOP THAT STOP THAT
you're not going into a song while I'm here.

HA HAAA

The "dots" indicate the length of time the note is supposed to be played, dumbass. The position of the dot is what tells you which note it is

>Except, you know music theory and chords.

which completely breaks once you transpose half a note down or up and you end up with more connotations than on a dyslexic's kid final paper

>Reading music is a skill. If you practice it it becomes second nature. No professional musician will tell you it's overly complicated or archaic.

that's like saying the imperial system is good once you get used to it

Just jam nigga

there are advantages, playing the same note on different strings does sound different
not that this feature is ever used since most tabs are just transcriptions of notes anyway but there is technically a niche

Duh, everything is difficult the first time.

I only got into videogames after I graduated high school and most of my hobby time beforehand was spent painting.

Hasn't done shit for me. Wish I never bothered and just joined the army, or gotten into a trade. I'm prouder of having beaten Tac Challenge 6 in Vanquish than anything I've shat out on a canvas.

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Whenever I feel like playing a game, I remind myself to play a musical instrument instead.

I play several but I'm focused on writing a classical orchestral track for the last several months.

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because tabs are not read the same way as sheet music. Tabs correspond to the frets and strings on a guitar so it's piss easy for someone with no knowledge of sheet music to pick up.

i'd probably have made a bunch of vocaloid doujin albums to kickstart an indie music career and then fade into obscurity.

Why? Wouldn't it be better if we did change to recognize high quality posts? Why do you want us to not change for the better? It'll just make you upset every time we ignore a good post.

id have internet e-celebs criticizing me for for using "marxist" chords

Alright, Instrument salesperson and pianist here. fuck these other meme responses. Here is what you need to know.

1 : a full size keyboard is about 88 keys. However the super high and super low keys don’t matter for a majority of music. So it’s up to you. I started with a 60 key keyboard and did fine.

2 : buy Yamaha. Seriously. Other brands sound like shit and suck dick. Yamaha things never break. When they do the warranty policy is amazing.

3 : should you get one with weighted keys? Yes. A non weighted one works fine, but you won’t be building finger strength. It’s not a deal breaker, but I would very much recommend it.

4 : lessons on YouTube? Fuck that. Lessons literally get in the way of learning. You can learn to read sheet music in an hour, then it’s all practice. People who tell you to learn “ good technique “ are memeing on you. Most sheet music is numbered showing what fingers to use, so don’t worry.

5 : buy a sustainment pedal if the keyboard doesn’t come with one. This is absolutely crucial, without pedal, literally every song sounds like shit ( I know I know, baroque and shit. But he Probly isent starting with Bach )

Reply with any more questions, I guarantee you I can point you in the right direction.

I wish i was good enough to write music for video games in Japan alongside Marty Friedman.

>"Why couldn't I immediately interpret this new reading system without knowing anything about it?!"

Tabs are piss easy user, there's basically 2 tabs systems: One where the first digit is the string and the 2nd is the fret number. Another where the numbers are only frets and their vertical position is the string.

Tabs are trash for anything orchestrated, because they don't have time measures.

Just couldn't resist inserting politics could you, you little mind fucked lemming.

>which completely breaks once you transpose half a note down or up and you end up with more connotations than on a dyslexic's kid final paper
Actually it doesn't because of the concepts of harmonics. The same harmonic chords can be written exactly the same in any key, which is how people sight read music. They see what key they're in and play that harmonic chord.

The reason we have the concepts of flats and sharps is because of keys. A given key only has 8 notes to play, and it's much easier to understand what a piece of music is trying to do when you understand that. Instead of having 13 notes on a page, you're only looking at 8. When you get to a good enough level, you stop looking at individual notes as what needs to be played, rather what the music is doing.

Besides guitar hero, come up with a better way to represent this music:
youtube.com/watch?v=e01ulR5KMWI

user you're making me want to buy a keyboard again

I would sometimes bring sheet music from video game themes to my piano teacher and she'd play them perfectly the first time just by reading the sheets in real time.

I get that for her it was just second nature, but damn that looked amazing.

How much does Yamaha pay you?

no i just remember a video with ben shapiro saying that about john lennons imagine

the most important part to learning any instrument is learning how to enjoy playing it
if you don't do this, no matter how much effort you put into trying to learn how to play, you're NGMI

Yamaha makes decent pianos, I have one myself.

Get any piano/keyboard that feels good to you. Keep your wrists straight and stay relaxed and loose. Breath while you play. Practice counting while you play. Practice your chromatic scales. Off you go!

I've played piano for at least 10 years. My life is still shit so what are you on about?

cringe and trannypilled

Just wanted to say that you're extremely based. That organ looks really good too.

Why don't you draw porn for money?

I would’ve had more languages under my belt, but would’ve also blown my brains out as well from the boredom.

>4 : lessons on YouTube? Fuck that. Lessons literally get in the way of learning. You can learn to read sheet music in an hour, then it’s all practice. People who tell you to learn “ good technique “ are memeing on you. Most sheet music is numbered showing what fingers to use, so don’t worry.

Agreed with you until reading this retarded shit.

Get a real human teacher unless you want to be playing like a handicapped retard. I've been playing piano since i was 16, I started learning on my own through books and videos. When I finally decided to enroll in formal classes, my teacher almost had to start from 0 because my technique was horrible. I would put thumbs in black keys, play a key before completely letting go of another one, play in such a way that my wrists would become ridiculously strained if I played for literally more than a minute and my posture was so bad that I could never properly get the volume of many keys.

Get a teacher, seriously. There's a lot of shit that others consider meaningless that it's also important as fuck.

Also, Casio is a great brand as well.

15 years guitar here.
Still can't read music, still don't know theory, and still have a shit life.
Honestly, video games ruined my life. I could be the next Steve Vai by now if i put that much hours into learning music and practicing.

What? Poor technique = injuries. This is an undisputed fact. Understanding is the basis of technique. Technique is the basis of execution. Execution is the basis of free expression. Free expression is goal

Yeah, I don't understand where he's coming from with this whole spiel about technique not mattering. Technique is what differentiates a good guitarist being able to make a shitty 50 dollar guitar sound amazing, and a bad guitarist being able to make a 5000 dollar guitar sound bad.

Well your first comment, you should be putting thumbs on black keys when the music calls for it. Most beginner piano music has fingering written in, which absolutely needs to be followed for proper technique

I'd be a loser with a skill

i would be shitting my pants trying to teach myself to hear half sharps as confidently as i do the 12 semitones we have right now
also assuming it's equally tempered what kind of new harmonic intervals would we have or approximate with something like 24 semitones

Guitarists barely have more brain cells than an abortion. Them not sucking is the exception. Most of them can't even play a pentatonic blues.

I was kind of like that, played like 14 years of my life but only started to pick up basic theory from youtube channels like fretjam and shit almost 2 years ago
I felt like I wasted the last few years before that, it was so fucking simple to start learning and it made me feel so much more comfy on the guitar

Don't buy shit gear. You don't have to shell out too much to get a decent piano nowadays, especially when you buy used.

>a full size keyboard is about 88 keys
And that's exactly what you should get. No compromises here, no matter what anybody says, believe me, less than that won't be enough, anything who says that can suck my cock.

>should you get one with weighted keys? Yes
>It’s not a deal breaker
Yes, it fucking is, cmon man, you are LARPing as an instrument salesperson and pianist here, you are way out of character here, immersion irreparably broken. If you want to learn the PIANO, then you need 88 weighted keys. If you want a MIDI keyboard, you are fine with non-weighted, but you won't learn to play the piano on that.

As for brand, I'm more of a Roland person, but both are pretty good, I'd say Yamaha or Roland for an electric piano.

Youtube is a great resource, you have to have some instruction when you start out, how to hold your fingers, music theory, whatever. But I'd recommend an actual piano teacher if you can get one.

It's a pretty cool one.

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just because nobody adopted it doesn't mean it couldn't work if people did

They'll still play more soulful music than you ever will pushing buttons.

Much more boring I'd imagine. Learning an instrument would be cool in theory and all, but I don't think I'd want to make a career out of it and I already got the sort of job I always wanted. Ultimately if I had to practice an instrument for all the while I spent playing games I would've had a much duller time in general.

It doesn't take many brain cells to get scales into muscle memory.

>all of my friends from school practiced trades since they were kids and mastered talents like art or singing since ages 14-16
>meanwhile i wasted my whole childhood and teen years with videogames, the internet and other electronic garbage for autists and never got any talent or discipline
Videogames should be banned for anyone under the age of 17. It may sound cruel but i'd rather have a mediocre but productive child than an autistic subhuman with no talent or passion like me or CWC.

I'd probably be a musician. Unfortunately, I didn't realize I liked music until I was like 15, not that it's too late but by then I couldn't be arsed.

eventually you can just play sounds as freely as you can hum and can improvise anything with no knowledge of theory :^)
it wont matter because you are always alone and friendless anyway and only playing by yourself regardless

I mean the concept is easy to grasp but it still threw me for a loop. Doesnt help guitar is pretty different from my other instrument.

Ah, different set of rules.
Making something look sexy is such a different skillset from making an environment look nice, there's not all that much transfer. I've tried a few times.

Being excellent at both is like trying to both run 5km in 10 minutes and hitting 3 plates on a bench. Some people can do it. Not as many as you'd think.

>got gud at art
>started doing commissions
>mfw making money from a fun hobbie while enjoying other hobbies simultaneously (listening to some music or podcast) while also getting praise from people paying me to have fun

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Even if they did, the situation would get out of hand again and in a few thousand years, we would have languages again.

This. I prefer Yamaha over Roland because I don't like the ancient Roland electronics and Yamaha has a better "feel" on their 1000 euros series. There's an actual difference between plastic keys and plastic keys that feel like ivory. Obviously go for an electronic piano with pedals and 88 keys. Stuff like pedals are included in most models. And last but not least: take a couple of hours from a teacher or a friend who had an actual education in piano. Youtube can't give you feedback. Also don't buy sheet music. You can find it easily and legal on the internet (IMSLP for example).

not too diferent i can tell you. i can play piano and am learning guitar, both are equally as much of a waste of time as playing video games. knowing a skill on the other hand is important weather you play video games or not and not knowing at the very least one will always fuck you up

Delusion keytard.
Stringed instruments were around thousands of years before the first key based instrument ever existed. The pioneers and progenitors of musical theory were all stringchads.

There are probably like 2 exceptions to the "No thumbs on black keys" rule. And they all have a good reason to be in there.

It's about continuity. The thumb on a black key will most likely hinder your movement towards other keys.

>Most beginner piano music has fingering written in, which absolutely needs to be followed for proper technique

If you want to be a monkey that is simply repeating patterns, completely incapable of free expression, that's up to you. It's good to understand WHY things are happening, rather than replicating them like a retard because that way you'll be able to play whatever you want, not just something that's written. My teacher always used to say that there's a difference between knowing how to play a song, and knowing how to play the instrument.

Videogames are even worse than porn or drugs for youth, because at least gamers and druggies get ostracized by society and forced into the normative behavior.
Everything went to shit once chads stopped making fun of people for playing videogames.

*cumbra¡ns and druggies

I can whistle pretty well.
Think I'll just turn that into an instrument, I mean think about it. Playing a flute is basically whistling but with a tool.
Seriously. Why flute when you can whistle? Unless you're a whistlelet.

Honestly, most of my perceived inadequacies as a musician are down to intrinsic imposter syndrome than a lack of effort.

Do I wish I spent slightly less time playing videogames as a kid? Sure, but you really don't have to be a self-denying puritan workaholic just to feel like you're doing ok. The former's actually counter-productive as anecdotally speaking, more people of that mentality than not tend to end up with crippling burnout than ending up successful and fulfilled.

Plus, passion is actually more important than either hard work or natural talent. Almost every musical child prodigy I know (and trust me, I know more than most) who were pushed into it by their parents end up resenting music in general and give it up later in life. I mainly credit me being a lazy fuck as the key reason that I'm still persevering trying to eventually make a full-time living out of it (in my mid-20s btw) yet loving every single step of it along the way

>tells piano player to play the song 2 semitones lower
>he gets really fucking mad about it

yeah alright

Almost certainly worse because that means 100% of my awake time would be spent on intellectually difficult tasks, not to mention the lack of raw enjoyment in things. This would cause severe burnout and depression, followed by death.

Hey, that doesn't sounds so bad after all. Time to learn the piano!

its true what you want to do is get some fluorocarbon fishing line, 60-80 pound is good. lutists use this for strings i heard, in combination with some nylon guitar strings.
you have a spool of this and you can turn anything into an instrument. Tie it to a stick and jam it into the ground and you are literally playing the earth

>Yamaha has a better "feel" on their 1000 euros series
I don't know much about the €1000 range, but I know that Yamaha's lower-end models generally offer more than Roland's. As for the feel, definitely go and try them out in person, that goes without saying, it's even better if you can bring a friend with you who knows what to look for.

Literally any time you’re playing a 745 chord and the 7th is a sharp or a flat you have to put your thumb on a black key.

Any time you’re playing octaves and the note is a sharp or a flat you have to put your thumb on a black key.

You sound retarded. You position your hand so you can play the notes, notice natural keys don’t end where the sharps begin, there’s plenty of space to play notes up there

What

Pretty much this. You either have the passion and drive or you don't.

I'm playing piano for 47 years and only recently started using second finger

>he hasn't learned the song along the circle of fifths
>doesn't know to play it 2 flats
he's garbage

Learning an instrument is worthless if you don't release original music

user here again. These guys are retards. This is one of those “ put on a jacket or you will get cold things” .I know a fuck ton of older piano players with the worst technique ever, it’s fine.

Weighted keys often cost more, if user is unwilling to splurg to get weighted, and abandons piano altogether, that would be a bigger tragedy. I played for 8 years on a piece of shit in-weighted Casio. When I made the swap, it only took me a couple months to adjust, and that was without the “touch sensitive” keys that all keyboards have now.

Not really. It's normal for most musicians to be performers, and not composers.

any harmonica fags here? I wanted to know what type to start with again

diatonic harmonica Hohner Special 20 in C key

I'll be honest, I get so jelly when I see programmingfags and /k/fags and musicfags talking about all their shit indepth in all these esoteric terms and stuff that make it seem like they're speaking a completely different langauge. /fit/ too, cant forget about that, all the crazy exercise names and muscle groups and their meme terms like natty and shit. Yea Forums and /sci/ too.
In fact im jealsous at everyone I fucking hate you all why do people better than me have to exist

I'd be a very bored person doing a very boring thing that I just have zero interest in.

How the fuck do people not get this? What's so hard to grasp about having tastes?

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You clearly don’t spend much time around people learning piano. People give up on learning piano 95% of the time before key weight becomes an issue.

Also, touch sensitivity is fantastic nowadays, and the most important thing to build while playing piano is finger flexibility, not strength. Both are important, but like I said, it’s not a deal breaker if all he can find is a weighted Clavinova 400$ outside of his price range.

maybe I'd have become a footballer for my local club and rescued them from multiple decades of mediocrity and downward sliding, saving my dead from 15 years of depression and alcoholism
we'll never know, though

being someone who plays fighting games and piano I never realized this is the exact same argument with motions in fighting games lol

It’s not this anons fault that you are a dumb nigger who didn’t think “ maybe I should play differently because my hands hurt “

Why did all the virtuosos of guitar suddenly disappear? Where's the Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen, Becker or Moore of our generation?

*saving my dad

thats soulless as fuck though, could never imagine only learning songs
i never understood how anyone would want to play in a cover band growing up either

Because it's fun and you get to have sex and earn money.

the better you get at competitive games, the more you realize it's just a grind though. there's no real expression, you just play what's efficient and git gud at it.

>yamaha
kawai es110 is one of the best real-like electro piano out there

Literally the dumbest fucking comment I have ever read. Post your SoundCloud then faggot and we will see how great you are.

>lol i'd totally be a loser even if i learnt something actually worthwhile and spent the best years of my life self-improving instead of throwing them away with worthless digital trash :^)
Imagine being this delusional.

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Their kitsch isn't in demand anymore and the guitar lost a lot of popularity in mainstream music.

Literally every teacher I've had has told me to learn how to play other songs first.

you could earn way more money and have sex doing other things though

Sure. Being in a band is one of the easiest ways to get laid. How many wealthy businessmen out there can only get prostitutes for sex?

Kawai not bad either. Yamaha wins as far as availability, price-to-sounds ratio and support goes though.

We sell Kawai keyboards, people come back with complaints more often then Yamaha, but much less then Roland. Apparently the motherboard on some of these kawai have had the same electrical issues for like a decade, audio out and power ports breaking over time.

Yes, they cost more for a reason, which is the fact that they actually feel like a piano instead of a meme keyboard. The way you press down the keys to achieve a different sound quality is part of the very essence of playing the piano, and you cannot replicate that on anything else. He's less likely to abandon an instrument that doesn't feel like shit (and nothing like a real piano) to play. Nothing personal, but I just think it's very bad advice for someone to cut costs like that. If you want to cut costs, buy used, but don't get a subpar instrument.

>Soundcloud
18+ etc.

It's fun enough to appease people who have no greater inclination.

>need 88 keys, no exception

You are either a lying nigger or a retarded faggot

Why don't you ask the actual greats what their opinion is on that, because i can guarantee they all started out learning their idols music first. Stupid ignorant faggot.

>the better you get at competitive games, the more you realize it's just a grind though
the better you get at anything the more you realize being good at anything is just about doing it a whole lot

covers are a gateway to original music
just because someone else wrote the original doesn't mean you have to do it exactly like they did
well, unless you're a classical player then you better fucking be playing it exactly like they did or you're worthless

This is the best guide to pianos on YT for someone with 0 experience

youtube.com/watch?v=AQRagZY760w

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i play video games, an instrument and have skills and my life is still shit

gets you more bitches tho

Even the most basic piano pieces sometimes require 88 keys. If you play on a meme keyboard then you handicap yourself from the start. Cry more retard.

soundcloud.com/ts2000

I'm doing my best to try and make it as a freelance composer. Done some stage, film, and other stuff, but I really wanna sink my teeth in to some vidya scoring.

>pushing down harder or softer to change the sound cannot be replicated!

Wow, you haven’t set foot in a music store for a decade have you?

Piano learning user, please ignore this guy, he quite literally has no idea what modern pianos are like. I know I’m just being baited now, but here is the explanation.

> you need weighted keys, you will have more control over your fingers if you learn to play on weighted keys!

No, it is the literal opposite of that. Not having manual assistance every key to play gently means you need to use even more caution when playing. This caution transfer over to more serious playing down the road.

>people complain about X more than about Y
that's anecdotal evidence, doesn't mean shit.
Same with price-to-sounds, the one I mention is 700 bucks for plenty of features+pedal.

lmao you just admitted to playing primitive instruments

i spent less time learning how to play the drums and piano and im better at both of them compared to video games.
though, obviously im talking about multiplayer games.

>over 2000 hours in the monster hunter series
>over 1000 hours in all the mmo's i've played
>nearly 500 hours in all the racing games i've played
Fuck, I could have probably learned Korean by now

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you better play the flintstones theme on that thing for us

>even badly
How about goodly you cuck how younf do i have to be to become joe satriani, even if i do 10 hr a day based chad tier praccy

Ps i eat sweet potatoes and all my meat comes from non industrial family friends farm so i got like 30 maybe 40 extra years compared to regular joe

>Even the most basic piano pieces sometimes require 88 keys

Wow. Not even close. Are you memeing on me?

Study materials we give to students for more popular music is written for standard keyboards about 99% of the time.

Seriously, not exaggerating, 99% of the time. You are giving the pretentious answer, you are putting your opinion out and pretending it is fact, you have no idea how people learn music on average.

I agree with you, get a full sized, but if you get a great deal on a smaller one, then consider it.

When you are selling thousands of pianos a year, anecdotal evidence is much more valid. This is from a sales standpoint, not a personal one dumbass.

the real reason for weighted keys is so that when you sit down at an acoustic piano you don't have to re-adjust compared to your practice. it's also more tactilely satisfying, like a mechanical computer keyboard, but that's not integral to playing well

i doubt you're selling thousands of pianos every year

Ha. I make music, and i have an 88key fully weighted midi keyboard. I dont really use it though

I already play 2 instruments. I honestly would've preferred to play video games instead of practicing desu

My bad, I meant more of the entire company I work for, not my store. Company owns all quite a few music shops in Canada. I’ve spent quite a bit of time as the distribution centres.

Sorry if I made it come across like that, not my intention.

>And it's never too late to learn an instrument, even badly. I encourage everybody to try.
Stop spreading lies. There is absolutely a point where if you haven't started you will never be as good as someone who has. Critical periods exist, brains aren't as adaptable as they age.

Started. And then transitioned into a more important position because they possessed motivation and talent for it, which some people lack.

There's a hierarchy. There are more great performers than there are great composers. One is more disposable.

It is so in many areas of life.

I have an 88-key weighted electric piano and I hooked it up as a midi keyboard, but I don't know shit about composing, how do I get started? I already pirated fruity loops.

I wouldn't say all of them require it, but you really do handicap yourself very hard from the start indeed. You are bound to come across pieces that do need it pretty soon.

>play guitar like a pro
>girls say guitars are for grandpas and get wet watching a DJ stand in front of his laptop while it plays mp3s instead

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Piano Roll.

Basically everyone who composes and produces music in the modern age is extremely familiar with it and knows how to “read” it, it’s the language computers speak when you talk music to them.

I guess people have some idea that deadmau5 or whoever is sitting there clicking in dotted quavers and adding accidentals on some long music stave marked “Synth 47”? Realistically everyone who is creating or recording music in this day and age is at least a LITTLE familiar with piano roll “notation” because it’s been the standard way to represent General MIDI data since the 80s.

based Yamaha bro

Can we post our battlestations in this thread?

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kill yourself brainlet

i was just doing a bit of keyboard practice a little while ago. im chiseling away slowly but im having a hard time memorizing the most basic notes on the sheet music. it's only been a few days though so in time i'll improve

How does that refute my point? All the greats started out learning other peoples music.

FL Studio is pretty cool. What do you wanna make anyway? The first thing I really did with FL was look at sample projects and picked them apart. Look for what knobs did, what sound came from where.

I did not give you permission, delete your post immediately

>he's never made a female cry with his melancholy melodies and become infatuated with him
Shaking my head to be quite honest with you family.

Gospel/Neo-soul guitar is where its at my nigga.

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Honestly that's a tough question to answer, because it requires learning things two-fold: how to write music, and how to operate a DAW. It's like owning Microsoft Word, but not knowing how to write a language.

I would say start some basic theory courses- plenty of stuff online. Theory itself isn't hard. The person who founded Yamaha learned it in three dedicated months. Search things out on Youtube, and then learn your I - V - I basics. You don't need to be analyzing Wagner scores to jot up some simple tunes.

Once you feel like you have some rough stuff in your head, now would be the time to try and learn your DAW. Start with some simple stuff. Figure out how to get an instrument loaded up- maybe piano, and do your best to woodshed a simple 30-60 second ditty. Then work your way up. Add more instruments. Add more textures.

You know, become an artist, I fucking guess.

How does yours refute mine? I only expand on what I said.

There's nothing wrong with being a performer, but a composer is a higher position. There is no wrong in this.

The piano roll is way older than computers.

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now you have to give exact numbers of sales for each brand so we can see the percentage of faulty products

This. Most modern guitarists have no soul and are posers, but if you really feel it and can play like John Mayer then it's pussy galore.

>carry this baby to a gig
>need a truck

tfw battlestation is at parent's house and I use a shitty electronic keyboard instead

the last concert of sergei orekhov shortly before his death in august of 1998
youtube.com/watch?v=btwAlVVKLM0
renown russian romance guitarist who arranged many famous songs to guitar

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but I did both, user

Neosoulless more like. Hate this instagram meme.

>got a nice 88 key keyboard
>got anxiety attacks and never played it
should i try again, what are some good lessons?

I bought a sax randomly. Where should i go from here?

Get your money back.

There was once a time when it was forced upon me. It only made me hate it and suffer lots of unnecessary humiliation.

Pick a good instrument instead

Want to know the truth?

I would play the instrument well, AND THEN PLAY VIDYA. Zero difference.

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Stop chasing basic bitches then.
Most guitar based music now is indie, go find your indie scene and join a band and you will absolutely find girls who swoon for like, confessional garage rock

Retro game-ish music with simple samples and waves like Cave Story songs or the snes

I've been messing around with the daw and it seems pretty neat, I have soundfonts and some vsts like for the nes and the sound canvas sounds, I can add notes and some simple effects. I'll look up some theory courses on youtube. I already watched videos about theory but they were usually either too basic or too advanced but I'll keep looking and trying out stuff. I find myself pretty bad at anything involving creative art, but now is the time to change that

I wish I had those 3000 hours I wasted on soulless assfaggots back

learn that stupid anime solo that drove a train autist to murder i guess

I myself dont do much retro. It can be a bit challenging to make music when you rely on beeps and boops and not virtual realistic musical instruments.

But good sound design can really boost your confidence, so go ahead and get one of those 8 bit synths and see what you can do with them.

now you have to tell the rest of the story

I already know how to play the piano and I'd probably be just as depressed if I didn't know the piano. It impresses people when you could play a lot of Christmas songs during the holiday, but that's about it.

>always wanted to be a metal singer
>have shitty voice with no range
>can scream like a little girl but can't sing high notes without cringey falsetto

Honestly, I don't really get a lot of enjoyment out of performing music. I like writing it. I don't 100% regret those years of concerts I was put through as a kid and through college, especially since I studied jazz, and it helped my writing ability considerably, but I have no active interest in doing events again. I wanna create things that are permanent. A recording lasts forever. A performance is too... intangible.

Reading it isn't too difficult, but writing good notation is an entirely different skill. There's like a million ways to write the same sequence of notes, especially when you've got syncopated non-dyadic note lengths or music with a lot of key changes and chromaticisms.

True but back in the original days of actual rolls attached to pianos it wasn’t something composers interacted with. It existed solely to talk to the instrument, technicians transcribed sheet music into it.

It wasn’t until General MIDI sequencing that it (on grid lines, which paper notation lacks) became something you interacted with when composing music.

There are plenty of classical spanish guitar pieces and they're easily read.

Beginner books. Then you'll want to advance to Sigurd Rascher's Top Tones. My professor once critiqued him and it's in the book.

I did. It's still about the same if I didn't play an instrument.
>sax
>piano
>3 guitars
>clarinet
>ocarina
>accordion

But really I want to get a drum set next.

>yamaha
>no steinway

>tfw plebeian jazz guitarist and want to learn classical guitar and flamenco
It sounds glorious and the technique is insane.

19-TET is pretty good. Has a better approximation of a perfect 5th than 12-TET or 24-TET and it has a good approximation of the diatonic scales we use today, you just get some extra dissonant intervals to work with (there's 3 different "tritones" for example).

Meant to say there's 2 tritones, not 3

>Yamaha things never break.

Because of the thousand folded keys techniques perfected by Yamaha bike engineers?

Also, sustain pedal is a fucking gloss; if you cannot manage to get things right without a pedal you'll be glossing over a turd. Depending on a pedal to cover for your lazyness is pretty sad.

You can always join a grindcore band user.

>A recording lasts forever.

You write stuff down in Akashic Records or something?

Pedal is an important tool, but just like reverb, you need to know when it's appropriate. For instance, it's typically not used in jazz, unless we're talking soft, ballad-like songs.

Learn slap bass

youtube.com/watch?v=g4s7m-K39p0

How are Nords? They are crazy expensive and I've seen a lot of people using them, but I'm not sure why, I don't really like their sound/feel of traditional piano

Haha, you know what I mean. I guess studying and performing jazz, I kinda became amazed at how many great performances- many of them featuring improvisations that would never be exactly replicated again, would just become lost. When I make music, I want it to be preserved.

I play the violin. That doesn't change a single thing.

I studied medicine, the work is shit and the pay is trash. It's not worth putting your effort into it.

Really, nothing would change.

I am going to take a random guess and say you're Asian.

that is such a boring goal.

What do you mean? Genuinely wanna know.

I think the thing with live improvisations is actually what the Zen master-like people are talking about: there's the fleeting moment, and everything might be as fleeting as that. Is the quality of greatness present in the piece, or does it dwell in your observation of it? Aren't great things becoming worn by repetition?

On the other hand, everything might actually be more permanent than people think, and it might be their own fear that makes them think great art could actually be annihilated.

you want for your music to be preserved safely and creating good music only comes second.

When did I say that? No, I just think having a recording of your music is a good idea.

You can make recordings of live improvisations, though. Hell, some of the best jazz albums are live. The point being is that generally, I think it's a good idea to preserve the content you create. You never know what will inspire you, or someone else.

>Damn, I wish I could remember everything I did in that solo last night, there were some bits in there that I think could be fleshed out into a hole track

How the heck do so many people know how to improvise? I mean I can play pieces if I learn them, but people just sit down at a piano and make shit that sounds good

I'm from El Salvador.

I have many interests, and none of them is profitable.

whole track*

that's not that hard to do. And just thinking about this much seems weird for a musician, especially comproser

I would probably have made my own game by now

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How long have you been playing? All it takes is time, a long time.

How is it weird? I genuinely think there might be a language barrier between us or something, because it seems like we're just not touching base 100%.

Not too long, I took classes as a kid for 2 or 3 years, and I got myself a piano 2 months ago.

I spent eight years regularly performing jazz. Like anything, you start badly, and then improve.

DICUIDUICDI

Yeah, give it another 8 years and you might be decent at improvising.

Fair enough. I personally just think impermanence/memory/preservation business might be trickier than it seems (someday I might not even recognize my own song or something like that; or maybe anything that was witnessed by anyone is recorded forever and people will eventually learn to access these records without much hassle).

what makes you happy then?

Fug, okay, I'll keep at it, I guess

I meant you already have your music written and you can easily record something even at home, why are you so focused on preserving your music.
don't listen to I know a lot of pianists who can read very complex music sheets for the first time with all the nuances and shit.
You need to actually work on imporvisation, learn how music is structured and start copying your favorite musicians and see what kind of improvisations they play.

>many different ways to play the same note
Like staccato, legato, sforzando, half-bend, artificial harmonic, glissando, etc. all that shit?
Guess what nonce, for the last 400 years every time we need a new word or symbol to describe how something is played we literally just make one up and add it to sheet music.
At some point sheet music couldn't indicate when to use the piano damper pedal, so people added that symbol. Same goes for new instruments.

I play guitar (not pro, just can play any songs from tabs after an hour of practice)
I draw (mediocre)
I speak 3 languages
And I still poor af
>wasted 2 year on a music school
>wasted year trying to be a pro artist
>wasted 4 years at the uni learning languages
Still can’t make money out of it
I should have played vidya instead

I'm sorry, but jazz, and a lot of the music I perform, is not 100% notated. Sometimes you just have a fucking lead sheet. It's not something you can look at a piece of paper, and replicate note for note every single time. That's why I think preserving your performances is a good idea. One version of a song could be wildly different from another.

That is a skill, and as with any skill, it's a sum of your innate talents and your training. Some people are better or worse at simply coming up with stuff on the fly, some people are just uncomfortable with this idea. But you are definitely able to train your ability to improvise to a certain degree, it just takes some effort.

hire the guy or ask your mom/gf to film every perfomance. big deal

Angling for an organ scholarship, 'eh? They're a cushy ride.

I was watching Hans Zimmer live in Prague on netflix and i kept thinking how awesome it must be if you could be one of those artists on stage who are masters of their instruments, playing and being part of a music event like that. Would feel even more awesome if you could be the composer yourself.

GRANDMA'S SPENDING CHRISTMAS WITH A SUPERRRRRR STAR

There's nothing wrong with this. I don't know why that guy is losing his shit over it, pretty much all the greats did this.

Okay... yeah. What the fuck are you even rambling about? You started this conversation by accusing me of having a "boring goal" of wanting to preserve my music. Like, do you think I'm an archivist, or something?

English is not your first language. At all.

Which medieval ensemble do you play in?

Kinda boring probably. It's been 4 years since I've got into piano and I've been loving it ever since, feels like the ultimate grind but it's actually enjoyable.

It's you who started rambling about preserving your great music like you're some kind of messiah.

I unironically did spend two years learning harpsichord as a side thing. Figured bass and lead sheets have some interesting similarities.

During first grade I was interested in playing the saxophone but my family was too poor to afford the lessons offered by my school. Honestly being legit turning-in-cans-for-the-refund-money poor was probably a bigger detriment to my life than not learning how to play an instrument.

...No. I never said anything about the quality of my music. I just said, on a personal level, I like to preserve what I make. This is after spending years performing jazz, and seeing some really hot solos from players, and recognizing that I would never get to hear those exact notes, and those exact phrases again. What if I wanted to cop something from that in the future?

So now I make it a point to record everything I do. That's it. Christ.

I started piano lesson because I saw everyone else at school do something outside of playing videogames. I'm still an incel and it didn't bring me joy.

Cut a ping pong or styrofoam ball in half and tie the halves round side down to your wrists. Hand posture is so easy to fuck up and doing that makes slacking your wrists uncomfortable so you stop

My parents are musicians and my pianist-mother tried to force me to learn piano with that stupid method, where you learn both hands at the same time. It didn't go well.
Now I finally bought electric piano after all this years and started playing again. It's fun but I'm a complete newb

In fact you do not even need a keyboard to do stuff in FL. I majored in classical music stuff, had my own band and the most fun times with FL for me never involved a keyboard. You can pretty much fiddle with instrument sounds and fill these little squares and if you have a feeling for what's "harmonious" and what's not you'll do perfectly fine! Basically, keep stuff in balance and you're good. If kinda sorta works for classic music theory too: if something looks well, it will most likely sound well. If something looks like a mess and there are a lot of extremes, it will sound messy (which might also be okay if you're deliberately going for it).

To be quite honest, I don't regret shit.

I played piano, tenor sax, and guitar for a long time, until a car accident seriously damaged my hands. As for skills, I've got a phD in math and make damn good money doing data science/machine learning. Video games are one of my two ways of relieving the stress of work (the other is ttrpgs), and my work performance would decline without them (unless I found another way to relieve the stress).

Woah what the fuck it goes in alphabetical order?

Though, and this is speaking from someone who works in a lot of high end samples, a lot of the "human" feel from instruments comes from actually performing the tracks, which helps with a midi keyboard. Step-recording is fine if you learn how to do it right, but an overly quantized piece of music can feel robotic.

Might be fine if you're making chiptunes, like that guy.

Providence bless you, user.

>6000+ Dota 2
>~3000 everything else

Imagine my D E S P A I R

Another thread where everyone on Yea Forums LARPs as a 1 in 100,000 career musician or artist. The posts that are like "I tried it and gave up like everything else" or "it still didn't make me happy" are the most realistic.

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what kind of a retard doesn't do both

I play guitar. I don't practice as much as I should, but I can trick people who don't know any better into thinking I'm good. If I put the same amount of hours into guitar that I put into vidya, I'd probably be amazing but nobody would care anyway.

I'm a freelance composer. It's fucking hard. I supplement my income with sound designing, and engineering work. I don't know if I've at all "made it," but I do get paid for my work, and I've done a variety of media projects.

Yep, but I assume there shoudl be way better programs for making "humanized" music than FL with its grid-based structure.

i bought a guitar and have no idea where to start, can Yea Forums help me?

Okay, buddy. Just remember that you probably can't use this thread for your creative writing portfolio once you graduate high school.

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What kind of music do you want to play? Who are your inspirations/idols?

I mean I actually did link my portfolio in this thread already, lol. Feel free to listen if you want.

soundcloud.com/ts2000

I'm a pretty good singer, but I haven't done much with my voice since high school. I've recently been doing voice exercises, mainly to increase my range. There's also this local choir thing I wanna try out for, and have even considered making a soundcloud/youtube channel for covers and stuff.

i know people say this a lot and it's usually not true, but it is for me. I actually do listen to everything. from neo-soul and jazz to technical death metal and extreme black metal. i want to be decent enough to look at tabs and be able to play my favorite songs. an idol for me would be dave mustaine, i just grew up on his amazing riffing and solo writing even though im not so fond of the band now that im older

Why do retards that know nothing about music always think microtonal music is this incomprehensible thing that's completely alien to western music?

Realism is a fucking meme anyway.

ignore the large green book, it's an exercise book from 55 years ago that belonged to my mom, still use it to this day.

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What's better, buying a keyboard, or getting a used piano from someone in my area?

Can you move a piano? Can you fit a piano into your current living arrangements?

Microtonal stuff is obscure enough for contrarians to use it for their noble outsider act.

Sadly, there are not enough acidheads and fans of Indian sacred music for it to lose this flair.

Learning to read a book is worthless if you don't write your own books

You fookin wot m8? If you want an acoustic piano, well, get one if you live in a house and you have somewhere to put it. If you just want a keyboard, then get a keyboard. If you want the best of both worlds, get an electric piano.

I found a full size Casio keyboard on the sidewalk in a pile of free stuff the other day, but my hand is broken so I can't even try to play it.

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worth saying that if you guys wanna sart piano, just go t youtube udemy etc and you have a world of resources. A good place to start I'd say is the Alfred's Basic Adult All-in-One Course books.

Did you take the piano, though?

Of course. It's an old model but it seems to work fine. I got the stand too.

Bitchin'. Your hand will heal, but you got a fucking piano for free. Look on the bright side.

This, get an e-piano.

>lol there's totally an objective purpose to life that dictates what is and isn't a waste of time :^)
Imagine being this delusional

Can I touch your organ?

>useful programming guide collection from /t/
no seeders, or i'm downloading the wrong shit

my instant reaction is that youre stupid but then i realized there's a lot qt christian girls in choirs

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How hard is something like alto saxophone or irish flute compared to other instruments? Is there a tier list somewhere on what is hardest and easiest instrument to learn?
And no, i don't believe in "all are hard/all are easy".

Yeah, I think it was a pretty sweet find. I took lessons as a kid but I don't remember anything now.