Are synths people?

No they aren't people the institute can shut them down and reprogram them like any other robot they just look human. They have no clue how to act on the surface without real humans showing them how they sperg out and get discovered.

Based.

REMINDER: House for NV and Institute for FO4 are the objective best picks... although the real high IQ niggas never played FO4.

Did I miss out on some info? I was under the impression that Gen 3 Synths were literally normal people, only that they were 3D printed

stop fucking the toaster people its not worth it

But Ada is okay for fucking right?

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They can malfunction and go haywire that's what happened in diamond city when a gen 3 started eating noodles and then killed some people

>acting like the human mind isn’t just a different kind of programmed computer. The argument isn’t if synths are sentient, the argument is if humans are.

i mean as long as you know she is a washing machine and not human stick your dick in it but dont start calling it people

Ada is the only thing in the game worth fucking.

Unfortunately, this is just one of the many areas in Fallout4's lore where discussion will fall apart due to shitty and/or nonexistent writing on Bethesda's part.

There is a lot that we don't know about the Gen3s. We see that, as you mention in your post, the organic tissue is "grown" in a vat in the Institute lab, but there's a lot that we don't know about their minds and how they think. We know that synths, even the Gen3s, will drop "synth components" when they are killed, so they are at least partly mechanical and can't be 100% human. We also know that they have kill phrases, which suggests that, even if their "brains" aren't 100% computer-operated, there must be some technological component that would register and process a kill phrase.

There's just a lot that went unexplained about the Institute and the Synths, unfortunately, but no, at the very least we can say that the Gen3s aren't 100% human.

I mean, it's not like I don't quicksave and go on the occasional baseball bat-totting killing spree around Diamond City myself. Would be pretty hypocritical of me to judge them for that.

That's a strange way of spelling "Cait"

>beth lore
Not interested in realism.

People that defend synths are worse than syths. In a real world scenario they should be killed first.

the whole synth issue is dumb because the newest gen are basically just lab grown humans with a chip in their brain to control them

Free will does not exist
Take the determinism pill

The Brotherhood agrees that's why you exterminate those railroad vermin

I know what I said.
Ada is the one true waifu, all others are irritating and judgey, and that goes for most of the male companions too.

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uh why did the institute make synths that don't behave?

>fallout 1 comes up with pseudoscience to explain how the FEV works down to a molecular level
>fallout 4 can't give a clear answer on how synths work
hire some fucking writers already

For society of super scientists they sure were retarded at times

Is a nigger?

They behave just fine in a controlled environment, one of the institute scientist kids was helping them escape to the surface.

But this isn't just a problem in the game. The are people out there that are in favor of transhumanism and depopulation. They're literal terrorists to humanity and should be wiped out.

I can't understand why Bethesda just can't hire NV writers. NO NOT OBSIDIAN, but those who left it.
That spic dude and that other dude who wrote planescape

They are sentient yes but not human
Two problems arise in this scenario, first, that they are not naturally existing hence don't fit into the foodchain/ecosystems and will have to always rely on human technology/resources to exist
The second is that although they may be very well as sentient as us, the control of their manufacture over them always allows for the possibility of a hivemind, or simply negates the sentience as at the end they're only puppets

because bethesda has a policy where the people who design the dungeons designs the quests that go in them
so all the writers do is make the quests have a little bit of sense and give the dungeon designers a general Idea of what type of quests to put in there

The gen 3s and DiMA and Nick are close enough in my opinion. Gen 1 and 2 are questionable, they seem like smart robots that would need something drastic like how Curie jumped to a gen 3 for me to consider them on that level. It’s a shame though that Nick and DiMA weren’t the path the institute decided to go with and improve on further, they must really love the human body and blending in, but I don’t see much value in that.

POINT
A synth, by nature, is a tool of the Institute. Not only are they programmed from the moment of creation to be completely subservient, but they also possess the hardware to be brainwashed or controlled by the Institute, thus making them a detriment to the survival of the Commonwealth and humanity as a whole.

COUNTERPOINT
Curie is very cute.

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>sentience
They have to be sentient or they could never work

The word you're looking for, like all mouthbreathing dipshits, is sapient

When you realize snyths are only 13% but commit 50% of crimes, maybe you'll understand

Based

I guess it depends if they have organs and shit, if they can actually feel butterflies in their stomach or a shortness of breath then they aren’t. they just making a response based on their programming with out any real feeling.

Dima wipes his own memories to forget he killed and replaced people, those things are honestly dangerous if they start plotting against humans on their own without the institute that's what the BoS is afraid of.

Even the one mission Shaun sends you on, the syth turns into a raider. Lol

It's very simple for me nature didn't create them, they're not alive and they will never be. Those things should never exist, they're useless objects and I have absolutely no remorse in destroying those piece of trash.

The only real unfortunate thing about this question is that the answer wasn't meant to be ambiguous at all. Gen 3 Synths are repeatedly shown to be autonomous and free-thinking individuals, most of them resentful or their forced labor and fearful of their masters, just so Betheseda could push a ham-fisted slavery allegory.

I wish the Institute could have been a nuanced faction, I wish Father had actually been able to show evidence of his claims that Synths were not really people so that we might understand his point of view, even if it was wrong. But we didn't get that.

Curie isn't a synth, she's a naturally developed AI that built it's way up to as close to sentience it could get over hundreds of years using a personality matrix as a framework.
and 2
her synth body is fucking HIDEOUS

Sure, why not. When you've got a world filled with talking deathclaws, ghoul farmers, super mutants who run entire towns, and technology that allows people's brains to be the sole organic form in existence, I don't see the big controversy.

You treat them like you'd treat anyone. The Institute going around replacing people with Synths is an evil that is on the organization, not the technology itself. If you got synths acting like idiots (like that one raider leader synth) then fuck them. If you got synths who are just trying to live their lives, no problem. Look at Valentine, an entire city of paranoid people tolerate him. Why? Not only because he's an obvious synth, but he just does his thing, helps the community, and isn't a problem. People in FO4 had a problem with people being replaced by the institute, not the technology itself. Except for the BoS, but they're nearing Enclave levels of purging in FO4 in terms of hatred for ghouls and other beings.

Don't you have a deck on the Prydwen to mop?

These days? Rarely.

What about that body bothers you? Just curious.

Naturalists are the most retarded bunch

>Not using the mod that keeps Curie in her robot body
Shiggity diggity.

DiMA wanted to preserve his community any way he knew how, and I’d argue that his experience is extreme with all of what happened around him and with the world being in the state it was. He came from the Institute, the most self preserving community in the Commonwealth and also observed how violent the world had become on the surface. I think he originally persuaded himself to act in a similar manner because he was desperate. He exhibits real regret for his actions (detaching the memories is a dangerous way to cope though) and doesn’t really show signs of repeat offense. He’s alright in my book, most people are killers in the setting.

I agree, robots are fucking tools. They don't need rights. Do I need to go to jail because I don't make my bed in the morning? I hurt it's feelings by not treating it nicely after all.

>They can malfunction and go haywire
So can real people.

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He's only proven he can't be trusted he was controlling Far Harbor like a puppetmaster out of fear rather than making a genuine alliance, you can't even really blame the crazy gun dealer for flipping his shit after finding out.

>her synth body is fucking HIDEOUS
Not in my game.

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no, but people can be synths.

the courser program has to trial candidates to select for amoral loyal sociopaths instead of just making copies of existing coursers with those traits because gen 3 synth personalities aren't defined by their biological body or imported experiences

more than just being people synths are proof of the human soul in the Fallout universe

My biggest tip off that the gen 3s were basically on par with humans without a doubt was a comment someone made about the coursers and how they are chosen. I wish I could remember who said it but basically they claimed that coursers go through an intense training program that determines the best candidates based on performance AND their compatibility with taking orders and being indoctrinated. I think a lot somewhere even said a potential courser got reassigned to be in the facilities department. You don’t program and build coursers, you have to warp them into that and run with the types who are naturally predisposed.

Im playing through right now and I have to say, everything I see about Synths makes me hate them. Im going full anti Synth. Even when they are free from the Institute, they have a chance to go on insane rampages. They might even be able to be hacked in the future at some point and turned into a killing machine. Who knows. Fuck that shit. Kill'em all.

Do Gen 3 synths age, and die? Can they reproduce with eachother or with humans? If they can, does the child come out 100% human?

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she's a little too robot for me. i can only stomach a 4 or 6 on the scale.

The synths thing never fucking made sense. If the thing the Institute fears more than anything is synths gaining sentience and rising up, WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM ANY MODICUM OF FREE WILL?

Coursers have the least humanity of all even the Railroad doesn't give a shit about killing them. They're the synths that represent how synths are supposed to act, if they don't it's a malfunction.

>are synths people?
If it can consent to fucking then it's people.

Because they aren't perfect yet, however, the synths are supposed to be the test bed for the species meant to replace humans as the institute have deemed mankind to be doomed. Their first experiment were the supermutants but that didn't go very well so they just sent the failures into the surface.
It's a paradox because you want to create something that will be better than you but you know it's flawed so you can't make it be like you just yet.

>Do Gen 3 synths age, and die? Can they reproduce with eachother or with humans? If they can, does the child come out 100% human?
Synths are chemically sterilized at creation so the institute can duck out of that little logic wrinkle

I agree, children aren't people

If I had to choose between Curie and the Brotherhood of Steel that airship would be a burning wreckage at the bottom of Boston Harbor.

burning garbage isnt really the cleanest way to deal with it user

they are fiction.

The robots girls in the game have really sexy voices. Curie and Ada.

>muh cognitive dissonance
retard.

are you human?

You could have Curie in the BoS as long as she remained a robot her information would be valuable to upload to their database of knowledge

>nature didn't create them
Humans created them. What created humans?

Robot harem > Synth harem

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yes because they live in some sort of civilization, they may not be humans but they are people

Someone thought it would be really funny if the smartest faction in the game was actually full to the brim with dumb assholes. I still side with the Institute but I just pretend that I reform the place and remove whatever retard brain virus they must have had to create something like the gen 3 and then deny the facts about what they had actually created.

No, Synths are synths they're an entirely different form of life it'd be like comparing a fungus to a plant.

A human birthed another human naturally not by assembling synthetic bones and organs with a machine and dunking it into a vat of goo

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Just because they didn’t want them to have free will doesn’t mean they don’t. Coursers are developed not designed.

Let me rephrase then, god didn't create them, they don't have souls, they're just piece of metal put together that are simulating human emotion.

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thats why i choose the minutemen. you can have both

Is there a mod that makes fallout 4 playable yet?

>the virgin gen 3
>just fleshy shells of humans
>made to feel pain and suffer by design
>most are forced to be someone else
>killswitches
>so much of a copy that something like a child synth still has the mental functions of a kid
>have free will but don’t even rise up without the help of some sewer dwelling nerds

>The CHAD PROTOTYPE
>clearly synthetic and allowed in diamond city when even ghouls aren’t
>highly upgradeable and able to store bad memories away
>can be themselves even with clear memories from someone else
>design not limited to existing organisms, can be any shape including a lolibaba with great intellect
>only two known models, escaped on their own through sheer force of free will
>zen masters who thrive in the irradiated world

>everyone in the wasteland hates synths
>get treated like a badguy for helping wipe out synths, something 99% of the population wants

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We need to cull todd howard

THIS
it's fucking annoying that people keep pointing to that autistic robot as a synth example

>Mr. Handy
Dutifully cleans your house for 200 due to having no other purpose. Immediately comes back into your service once he recognizes you.
>Custodian Synth
Gets fed up with being forced to do menial work after a short amount of time. Actively plots revolution to free itself and others like it for the right to self determinate.

Either the synths are AI that can achieve sapience or the institute are the worst programmers in existence. There's too many cases of synths going beyond their assigned duties. Even the "loyal" ones like the mayor fuck up since he believes his fat ass should get to become a courser for his "good work".

Don't know what you mean only Dr. Li gets mad

>not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls
lmao

so put her into an assaultron, plebian.

I really like DiMA's design, kinda reminds me of Desolate Hope.

it's always such a dumb idea to build robots who look and can behave human enough for people to feel empathy for them

Ada is best girl.

Caitfag go back to /vg/.

What's the point of child synths if they can't age?

Do you really have to ask that question, here of all places?

no

Yes, believe the people who have everything to lose if they admit syths have sentience.

was the t-800 a person?

Only those outside of America

>My pre-programming propaganda tells me that robots are EPIC and that you SHOULDN'T HATE THEM
Thinking that robots are people is something that a dumb teenage girl would think. Your iPhone isn't a person and any "thinking A.I" that comes out will only be an extrapolation of that technology. Do you want an iPhone to have human rights?

>They have to be sentient or they could never work
No.
While I agree Sapient would fit better, whether they are in fact Sentient is also debatable.

Nope

circumstance

They only mimic sapience, and are made to do so. The fact that they are made with a specific purpose at all separates them from not only humans, but all natural things in the universe. They are artificial, and are thing as a fork or a pair of chopsticks. They're only a hammer, and we are the ones who hold them. Tools are not sapient and never can be.

lol shut up fag

>They only mimic sapience, and are made to do so.
I wasn't making any statement for or against their supposed sapience/sentience.

I was answering your question. There is no debate, they aren't sentient or sapient, they're only mimicries of intelligence.

>I was answering your question.
?

Are Channers people?

Nah they just mimic people real good. That's all they are mimics.

No

We're more people than what Tumblr and Reddit is

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Are people who use the term "Channers" people?

Even if the vast majority of people agreed that it was a bad idea, AI technology will still barrel towards full sapience with all the speed that developers can muster.
We'll also be working on machines that will be able to do almost any job for us - not necessarily unified machines, probably more lots of specialised ones, but if we do make omnicapable ones they'll be humanoid because we consider that to be practical shape. There'll be more in the future, and more outlandish ones, but humanoid-sapient will happen.
And in order to make them fully capable of everything we need them to do, we'll be improving their AI to the degree that they can actually fully comprehend those tasks from our perspective.
tl;dr - it's almost inevitable that we'll be making robots into a sapient slave race because no matter what happens, people will be trying to do that exact thing.

I was

AD VICTORIAM

>you cant tell that a synth is a synth
>except for the chip in their heads and they are all chemically sterilized
and dont give me that shit about "oh they cant detect the chip" fuck you that makes no sense Todd you fucking moron

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I'd lie to my robot buddy about him having sentience if it makes him feel better.

Humanity is a terrorist to humanity.

Yeah it's a pretty simple concept. They think they can build god. They're literal tech cultists.

Creating AI is unethical not because it can wipe out life on Earth, but because It might be displeased with Its own existence.

take it out for coffee or go bowling then

It's still better than being a meat cultists and unironically thinking your farts smell like flowers.

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By your logic having a kid is unethical, since it might also be unhappy later in life.

Baited 4 This Exact Response.

Breeders should unironically be gassed.

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Nobody is like that, and no it isn't. Do you want to be devalued to the point of obsolescence? That's what they want.

You seem unhappy. The ethical solution is to kill yourself so it doesn't spread.

Life isn't guaranteed to be happy, and it is unethical because it could wipe out all life on earth. Keep your self destructive ideologies to yourself.

There's a reason man has kept animals as pets and only taught them tricks for amusement but never gave them the ability to actually think to act beyond the concept of reward and punishment.
The moment nonhumans begin to ask the why of things is the moment seeds of rebellion are planted.

The agony that is the fear of death and the perilous existence of life is not something I would pass onto someone else - through inaction, you take action.

Here's a better question. Why did they invent synths at all? Everyone already has robots for manual labor. Why would they create sentient, flesh and blood cyborgs just to mop the floor?

The Institute turned Kellogg into a super strong cyborg with eternal youth. Upgrading people into super humans is an awesome future. I want that. But then they abandoned eternal youth to create janitor slave cyborgs that rebelled. Fucking retards must like getting old and dying.

You probably had a hard life, huh user? Poor little baby wants humanity to end because he was bullied in highschool.

>devalued to the point of obsolescence
Humanity, or all existence in general, has no function beyond making problems just to solve a fraction of them.
Do tell, what function do we have? If it involves King of all Space, prove their existence and benevolence.

They needed the slave thing in the story because American history or something.

>A fedora tipper on Yea Forums
Wish I could say I'm surprised. If everything is meaningless you might as well kill yourself now so that you're free from the cycle, gotta stay ideologically consistent right user?

Why do you support pedophilia?

There is objective value in the Universe. Stop abusing kids with lies, you moronic fuckface.

>Bad things happen and if people exist bad things will continue to happen!
You know if it weren't for the inaction of the population at large, who ironically follow your ideology, this is a problem that could be fixed right? That's the end goal, a happy and stable society. Your future has been stolen from you and all you can do is sit there and sulk and project your misery onto others. Fine. You already have a losers mindset. In the end, all that matters is who lives and who dies. Why did you choose death? Why do you want to drag others down with you?
Hermeticism and Gnostism are for subservient retards who don't value themselves unless they're part of a group because they lack the gumption to create a life for themselves.

>you might as well kill yourself now so that you're free from the cycle
I probably would if there weren't strong survival instincts that urge me away from that course of action, in addition to the ability to just outright disregard the knowledge of coming Oblivion.

I wish I could be retarded/indoctrinated enough to believe a magic sky daddy will give some sort of grand meaning to the ultimate pointlessness of material existence.

>There is objective value in the Universe.
Best joke I've heard in a while.

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>TFW too smart to live and too dumb to die
Here's a solution: don't kill yourself and learn that you have value, not divine value but personal value. When you have something to lose life suddenly takes on a lot more meaning. I was fucking with you before man, but I really do genuinely hope you get out of this slump. I've seen a lot of people like you who could've made a difference give up because the world told them no.

No, and don't let T2 fags tell you otherwise

>humans
SOUL
>synths
soulless

I didn't have to read such an idiotic post to know you were a vegan. It's like clockwork at this point. All vegans are naturally anti human like their diet. It's no wonder you defend AI and claim humans are the problem like your (((Hollywood))) movies tell you. Everyday you get up in the morning you're a hypocrite for simply existing. Set an example for the rest of the world and kill yourself. If you don't practice what you preach then don't advertise.

>learn that you have value, not divine value but personal value
That's the problem, there isn't any value outside of extremely limited perspectives and time frames (at least cosmologically, I doubt a human would care what happens a billion, let alone a trillion years from now).
My "personal value" is completely dependent on the assumption that existence itself matters. Guess what happens when that assumption is questioned and left completely unanswered, when it drove men who were ostensibly much more intelligent than me either into the arms of the divine or complete despair.

>When you have something to lose life suddenly takes on a lot more meaning
Which is what I mean by "extremely limited perspectives and time frames".
Everything will be ground to dust, everything will be and can only be completely worthless, ultimately.

>could've made a difference
In regards to what? Political Ideology? My Nation? Technological Progress? Mankind itself? All of it is worthless.

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>You know if it weren't for the inaction of the population at large, who ironically follow your ideology
Dude, I wish they did.
>this is a problem that could be fixed right?
Correct, through voluntary extinction.
>That's the end goal, a happy and stable society.
Ever heard of the hedonic treadmill, retard? We fix 100% of our problems and then we'll just pulll new ones out of our collective ass. Second, society is only useful as a plural version of individual. Bugmen not welcome. Sacrificing people for collective's sake is like cutting off a leg to save a toe.

>Your future has been stolen from you and all you can do is sit there and sulk and project your misery onto others.
Happiness fixes nothing. Prey suffers more than the predator enjoys their meal.

>You already have a losers mindset.
Strange way to spell "not being pink glass wearing delusional lunatic".
>In the end, all that matters is who lives and who dies.
Everyone dies. Is that news to you?
>Why did you choose death?
You faggots chose death for me.
>Why do you want to drag others down with you?
I'm not dragging others down, you're dragging others down with you and I want you to fucking stop.

only children

no, synths are made to be slaves and sex slaves

>Everyday you get up in the morning you're a hypocrite for simply existing.
That's not my fault.
>Set an example for the rest of the world and kill yourself. If you don't practice what you preach then don't advertise.
But if I kill myself then I won't be able to preach.

Pepega I HAVE 2 OPPOSABLE THUMBS Pepega AND I CRAWLED OUT OF A VAGINA Pepega
WORSHIP ME Pepega

>That's not my fault
Nobody is stopping you from slitting your wrists or hanging yourself. You talk shit but can't back it up. If you live streamed your suicide you'd have my respect. With every breath you take you become more of a coward. You're either afraid of the unknown and what's on the other side or you're just shitposting. Either way you're fake.
>I won't be able to preach
It's worthless anyway.

All of that is only worthless because you decided it is. But whatever, fine. Isolate and destroy yourself. That's exactly what they want you to do, feel hopeless and worthless. You have to ask, what kind of state could society be in to make an intelligent young man come to the conclusion that it's all a loss? Do you really even like thinking this way? What made you hollow? It's shame, you have a rebellious spirit but it's being wasted on the people who care about you. You won't find happiness in this system, and you won't find anything down the path that you're walking. Trust me, living for something is much better than dying for nothing, and your human instincts are telling you the same thing. That's why you can't kill yourself. Regardless of whether or not there's a God, humans are mathematically the most unique and unlikely thing in the universe. Have you ever thought of what the chances are of you being born at all? You are a miracle, and miracles deserve to be celebrated. You don't celebrate yourself enough. You need to give yourself a reason to, something that will make you look back on all of this and make you say
>"And they thought I was a lost cause."
The only question is, what do you want? And if you don't know, why not? Who put you in that state of mind? What kind of person wants others to suffer?

No.

No. You need a soul to be a human, and only whites have souls, not robots.

>be synth
>forced to work for institute, sweeping the floors, maybe digging out new areas once in a blue moon
>some human promises me "freedom"
>have absolutely no idea what the surface is like
>gets me out
>arrive at Railroad HQ for a lobotomy
>greeted by moody hag, some nigger with an incredibly loose grasp on reality, and a doctor who seems like he doesn't even want to be here
>they erase my memory, forget how to play the piano and wipe myself
>some asshole leads me into the Commonwealth and sets me up on a farm growing radioactive vegetables
>gives me dirty rags instead of my nice clean Institute jumpsuit
>not even there one day and we get attacked by band of raiders numbering around 15 guys
>everyone else at the farm too irradiated to put up a fight
>survive the fight but have several bullets in my body
>less than an hour later a deathclaw wanders into the farm and mutilates the rest of my body, eats my limbs and fucks off, miraculously survive, immobile and in great pain
>but at least I am not sweeping the floors of the Institute

That's because Institute scientists are retarded

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Is there any DLC that is post game and let's you do anything with the institute if you chose the based institute ending?

>If you live streamed your suicide you'd have my respect.
Your respect has negative value to me. I'd genuinely be ashamed if you respected me.
>It's worthless anyway.
If it is worthless then why are you so intent on stopping it? Are you threatened?

Why is any of that bad? Congrats, you've sleuthed out some personal truths. Keep them to yourself. I won't suffer because you hate happiness. If you're going to kill someone, practice what you preach and start with yourself you self aggrandizing retard. Oh, but you won't will you? Because you value yourself. You won't admit it though. I can stand behind my principals, I can make a future for people who want one, including myself. You can't say the same. You see, when you get to the logical conclusion of what you believe the answer is always
>"Just stop living lol"
But you won't, because just like everyone else you still have that urge that you can't escape, to solve problems and get that dopamine hit. You can't escape your own humanity, and if you where presented with a button that would kill us all I know that you wouldn't press it. Let yourself love yourself, it's ok to be human.

Of course not.

Sadface

Nobody wants to hear your self destructive diatribes you delusional nihilist. We don't value what you have to say.

It would just be like the Minutemen anyway. You're the "leader" but still have to do everything your supposed underlings tell you to do.

>All of that is only worthless because you decided it is.
An epiphany, a realization is not something you just "decide", it's no more of a decision than a child realizing that Santa doesn't actually exist.

>What made you hollow?
Daddy touched me in a funny place when I was 12.

> That's why you can't kill yourself
Oh no, I don't have any desire to die, if that's what you think. I just understand that there's ultimately no point to any of this, that reality itself may as well be piss in the wind so to speak.

>The only question is, what do you want?
Justification for why reality itself matters, which no one can answer outside of God™ or assumptions that man can somehow transcend reality itself.

>And if you don't know, why not?
Cuz man iz dum

>Who put you in that state of mind?
SOCIETY, which is why we must RISE UP

> What kind of person wants others to suffer?
A, dare I say it, Joker.

>Fallout Universe
>Can make advanced AI but their computers are akin to 70s desktops

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gen 2 synths are pretty cute t b h

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I can't wait for SJWs to hop on the oppressed AI bandwagon

I can't wait for the anti-SJW's to make themselves even more racist, sexist and cringier than they are now.

Not the brown ones.

First of all, I'm a different poster than the guy you replied to.

>Isolate and destroy yourself.
Stop making more destructible people then.
>That's exactly what they want you to do, feel hopeless and worthless.
Who are "they", kikes? Jews are only a subset of DNA, a moronic molecule that makes its children fight one another for a "victory" that consists of sending another batch of fresh meat to do that same shit all over again. DNA, the inventor of torture.
>You have to ask, what kind of state could society be in to make an intelligent young man come to the conclusion that it's all a loss?
A peaceful one that allows people to think for a moment about what the fuck they are doing instead of fighting to secure their survival 24/7.
>Do you really even like thinking this way?
A little bit, it makes me feel edgy and innovative :) there is only one truth and it can't be bothered by our feelings about it
>What made you hollow?
It's not about me.
>It's shame, you have a rebellious spirit but it's being wasted on the people who care about you.
What do you mean?
>You won't find happiness in this system, and you won't find anything down the path that you're walking.
I'm not looking for happiness
>Trust me, living for something is much better than dying for nothing
Better than both is never to have been. I've already been "something to live for" for someone else, fuck that.
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>don't need air, food or water to survive
>don't age
>can't reproduce
>bodies made out of metal instead of flesh
They aren't human and never will be. Why Bethesda thought putting sentient AI akin to Blade Runner in their wacky retrofuturistc and postapocalyptic setting was a good idea is beyond me, especially when the Fallout universe already had sentinent AI and robots.

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>and your human instincts are telling you the same thing.
Try thinking with your head instead of going on instincts. Especially when the subject is about the good of others. We're bacteria with brains but you decide to downgrade to just "bacteria".
>That's why you can't kill yourself.
People have difficulties losing fat or quitting smoking too, doesn't mean it's how it should be.
>Regardless of whether or not there's a God, humans are mathematically the most unique and unlikely thing in the universe.
Listen to white noise, you'll get something even more unique.
>Have you ever thought of what the chances are of you being born at all?
About 1 to 876 000 000 000 000 000 000, give or take a couple of orders of magnitude, so what? If it wasn't me, it'd be someone else.
>You are a miracle, and miracles deserve to be celebrated. You don't celebrate yourself enough.
Correct, it's the universe which is utterly broken and malignant. I'm a "degenerate" but I'm still too pure for this world, we all are.

>The only question is, what do you want? And if you don't know, why not? Who put you in that state of mind?
I didn't want anything until the addiction of DNA made me to. No need for needs.
>What kind of person wants others to suffer?
A parent.

What was the point of making human replicants then just making them slaves? Like they are mentally and physically identical. You're just asking for a revolution.

> Like they are mentally and physically identical.
CUNNYNIGGER326541
Did you automatically black out from hearing that codephrase? No?
Well, I guess you're not physically and mentally the same as a fucking robot.

Hell, Codsworth is sentient by the point you run into him again. He'll even get upset and leave you if he decides you've gone batshit crazy.

God bless us humans. Let us work in his name.

>Bunch of pistons and motors controlled by a very advanced calculator is a person because it looks like me

Logged over 300 hours into 4 and I never came across Curie. Apparently there's a Courser Synth you can have for a partner as well but I've seen no signs of them either.

The most well-rounded character (not that that's saying much for Fallout 4) is a synth and he's clearly sentient

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I don't want to play Fallout 4 because the game is so terrible but I like Curie, robot or not. What should I do?

Well, a bunch of muscles and tendons controlled by a very advanced calculator aka. brain is generally considered a person it it looks like you

Their sentience is just a bunch of files on hardware
Same as ours

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synths are lame and shouldn't be in fallout but the purely mechanical skelebot ones are cool

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>are [not people] people?

>Why is any of that bad?
Problems are by definition bad. I just realize that some problems have wages of torture and death behind them. Is that shocking, wanting there to be no torture? Now you answer, why is extinction of life bad? Because it makes you feel sad thinking about it?
>Congrats, you've sleuthed out some personal truths. Keep them to yourself.
Same to you, don't create innocent people to share your drivel with, they haven't asked for it.
>I won't suffer because you hate happiness.
Vice versa, someone else isn't going to be happier because you are happy. This is what I mean by "happiness doesn't fix anything". What orgy can we throw to undo the tragedy of let's say Irish potato famine?
>If you're going to kill someone, practice what you preach and start with yourself you self aggrandizing retard.
Not conceiving is not the same thing as killing someone. In fact, these things are opposites.
>Oh, but you won't will you? Because you value yourself. You won't admit it though. I can stand behind my principals, I can make a future for people who want one, including myself.
AFTER MAKING IT THEIR PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. All you're doing is breaking shit that was not broken just to fix it. You're taking hostages just to free them.
>You can't say the same. You see, when you get to the logical conclusion of what you believe the answer is always >"Just stop living lol"
That's what you think I believe. My position is "don't make others start living".
>But you won't, because just like everyone else you still have that urge that you can't escape, to solve problems and get that dopamine hit.
Precisely, I'm addicted.
>You can't escape your own humanity, and if you where presented with a button that would kill us all I know that you wouldn't press it.
I think I could manage to push through.
>Let yourself love yourself, it's ok to be human.
And it's out of this love I don't want to come back into this fucking septic tank you call Earth.

>What should I do?
Install a bunch of mods that make the game less terrible. Then, once you've gotten Curie, contemplate the terrible things you would do if anyone ever tried to harm your pacifist toaster fucktoy.

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It sucks you can't dictate institute policy since you know, you're the director. While I get the "fuck surface dwellers" attitude there are far better ways of letting everyone die while leaving you alone.

It's simple, synth every female raider in the wasteland into the perfect gf and issue one to every surface dweller, easy peasy.

From the Fallout Wiki
>As Dr. Roslyn Chambers found, no medical tests or procedures can identify someone as a synth without killing them (synths that infiltrate settlements, for example, only drop synth components when killed). Psychological tests, such as Covenant's SAFE test, are dubious at best. However, they are not perfect duplicates, and have a few key differences from humans that are not immediately obvious: synths do not age, nor can they gain or lose weight (one Institute researcher remarked on this after discovering that many of the Institute synths had a taste for snack cakes).

Are they physically superior to real humans or not? Why wouldn't you just be able to deprive a suspect synth of food and see how it affects them?

Because it's bullshit.
Synths can't have an identical body composition indistinguishable form a human and not age. Pick one.

I really don't understand the whole Synth plotline in Fallout 4. It feels like a different realm of sci-fi that doesn't mesh well with a post-nuclear setting. It was mentioned in FO3 in some character dialogue but they should have just set it as an easter egg or small side-quest in FO4. It's like the Tunnelers from Lonesome Road, do we really need to know that Synths and Tunnelers are let loose on the Wasteland forever when they're barely in the overall plot of the games?

>flashlight guns and toilet armor
>motto is "mankind redefined" despite not perusing cybernetic research at all
>their one and only teleporter is unguarded
>synths in general
>made super mutants for some reason
>coursers are supposedly super tough yet suck
>this shit
everything about the institute sucks

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In Far Harbor you can get an ending where you kidnap synths if you were with the institute.

>hear that fallout 4 is about dealing with terminator-esque robots
>begin following it during development
>play the game
>gen 2 synths are cool and robotic
>valentine is cool and robotic
>visit the institute
>"Hey! You wanna see how gen 3s are made?"
>HellFuckinYeah.jpg
>expect cool, more streamlined robots
>they're just blade runner-style replicants

At least Automaton was cool, what a disappointment