Did you get your squishy CTR kart yet?

Yes and nobody knows yet

only if it's porn

Thoughts on the GP? I'm surprised that it's not as bad as BNT, this one feels like they put effort into it

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Rimba DLC when?

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How would you feel if Crash and Spyro became a dual franchise? At least in CTR. Like, if the next CTR game had both Crash and Spyro characters from the very start.

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I'd be okay with it

I'm gonna make it SFW just to spite you

>monster MoM Coco is called "Evil Coco"
THE DREAM IS DEAD!
RIP

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give me viking Polar now

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>Tropical Freeze DLC

A spin off Mario and Luigi style game with Crash and Spyro would be cool

with this game's sudden monetization scheme and nintendo's mobile game, i'm just gonna forget kart racing exists and find a new genre.

based
youtube.com/watch?v=o6iPNxluahs

I got my kart and paint, but not the stickers. Even though I put in the code for the stickers.
Not that I'm ever going to use a sour patch sticker.

I really like the new kart stuff in general

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Yeah the new tires and paint colors are good

>Hunter isn't speed

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Has anyone gotten the stickers yet?

Why is the Hard Mode AI such cheap FUCKS?

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Is Beenox too scared to put Coco in fishnets and high heels?

I have the stickers.

You can't use it in game yet though right? The game told me the code wasn't active yet when I tried to put it in my switch

Nah, Evil Coco will probably be saved for Halloween

benis

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Because the only way they could program them to be difficult to race against was to just make them cheat.

Damn this GP is full of unexpected crossovers

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kek

Does the Airplane Mode exploit still work? Tried it just now to do back in the race and it didn't reconnect me until the end of the race.

I keep getting errors when I try to make account on the website to use my code. Is anyone else suffering from this?

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No but I'm interested in buying a whole set of codes for the kart and stuff

>unlocked the Spyro Champion Decal
Anyone get the new Back N Time one with the Chicken?

Yeah I unlocked the chicken

Yeah. I was getting that too.

Make an account on the Activision site and then log in through the crash one

Is there a way I can contact Beenox and have them get back to me? I have a couple questions I'd like to ask and the feedback form isn't great for that.

It worked.

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I do not like the new track at all
Everything else except the lack of an accel character is good though

>in 2nd, practically bouncing off of 1st
>get an orb
Yeah, I'm not listening to you guys when you say items have been balanced 'again'

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>Beenox STILL won't balance classes even though everyone and their mother who gives a shit about this game was hoping Spyro would be Speed

I'd love it, if mainly cause I'd fucking love the idea of a Spyro kart racer. The series has a pretty cool ensemble cast full of characters I'd love to play.

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Why does my brain feel like it's about to snap when playing mirrored modes? Not just with CTR, it happened a lot while playing Ratchet & Clank mirrored.

Because your muscle memory is fighting what you're seeing.

Considering how he's a jack of all trades in the Spyro games, it makes sense he'd be balanced.

This, it's a feeling I have never experienced before, it feels like my eyes are pointing at different directions, it's weird

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It's ok, maybe she will be her own character like Baby Coco

That's dark coco

>finished doing a cup to grind shortcut challenge
>notice 2nd was digital tropy with the platinum paint
Even offline I cannot escape those fucks

I like the track in time trial, in online though it's a clutterfuck

No because I can't find the tropical gum and my mint gum didn't have a code in it.

just try not to rain on her parade.

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the new title screen gave me some heavy feels
is this why there is a special kart tab now when you select your loadout?

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also purple paint and green wheels give nitro bonus

Nah, the special kart tab is just what used to be called "kart sets". It's still just the classic karts.
It getting renamed does give me hope that they're adding actual kart sets, but I'll try to keep my expectations low.

>majority of my time spent playing this game is looking for a race
This is so fucking annoying

On switch, the deadest platform, I never have to wait more than 1-5 minutes for a lobby. Usually super fast. Been playing since launch.

what??

>Nah, the special kart tab is just what used to be called "kart sets". It's still just the classic karts.
This was never there before either. PS4 only?

I play on ps4
>finish a race
>host left
>search to find another lobby
>find one
>map finally gets picked
>host leaves
>have to find another
>rinse and repeat until I get lucky

it was ps4 only because only the ps4 had the retro karts

>they changed the camera angle in lobbies
Huh. Any other changes like that?

Switch is way more active than xbox

>they changed "kart sets" into "special karts"
>still can't actually have your own kart sets

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This hurt me
Beenox you fucking tranny pandering benders

They can just call her 10th dimension coco

I'm guessing they'll throw in the candy kart after like three more updates.

We will eventually get it after 12 GPs

Yeah all those challenge with the mirror mode made me thing they finally put it online. That and the death zone grass on the Spyro track ruined my day.

Why is she wearing latex panties with a zipper?

I suspect the reason this is the case is the same reason that your kart decal will remove itself sometimes on game reboot.

Halloween GP
They'll call it Goth Coco

i only pick characters and karts that were in the original game

Well if you wait a little on the title screen, Spark come by and Crash switch place with Spyro.

Imagine deliberately avoiding Oxide and the hovercraft
>well they were in
Not playable in the original

>Coco getting a skin 2 GPs in a row
>Coco getting a skin 2 GPs in a row with a similar "evil version" motif

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I wouldn't like it, I only care about Crash and if it's a dual franchise it's just less Crash characters. I wouldn't buy it.

Is it just me or does the game play different? Drifting feels weird all the sudden.

People say this every update. It's all in your head

Not that user but patch notes would be fucking nice.

>every gp worse than the last with less content
>more micronstatjhyions every update
>gibble gibble gobble gooble gorit
fucking activision, i just wanted a good remake

>Why is she wearing latex panties with a zipper?
Easy access.

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>remove the glitch that let's you paint the retro karts
for what actual fucking reason, someone explain to me how that makes sense

user are you having a stroke

>Tiny

This update is miles better than the last one, and honestly better than the one before it too aside from there being less characters.

Beenoxes biggest problem right now is the lack of transparency. Patch notes and community interaction is required for a game like this yet they are silent. No doubt an Activision decision since it seems like the updates we DO get at least take into account some of the fan feedback

Has anything changed about balance or fake stats?

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I'm guessing you've been losing races.

No

>been playing matchmaking for hours
>have only seen one Gnasty Gnorc in one race

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Not like Crash has that many characters to begin with. Much less desirable ones to include.

nobody uses him because the normies give more nitro

Everyone's playing Big Norm. He just looks better.

That's what they get for adding a character that isn't speed

Not being handling helps.

I have yet to unlock his 15% skin

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>This update is miles better than the last one
yeah i guess you're right i'm just fucking really salty, back in time sucked ass and spyro is super neat
i just want them to either balance the classes or let us change classes man, its been 6 months since launch and no class balancfwqoer

6 months

Is it worth getting this game right now? Am I able to unlock all the characters and stuff from GP’s that are done already? Most importantly, is it fun

>Norms give more Nitro
>Norms have better skins
>Norms aren't turning

>Is it worth getting this game right now?
probably
>Am I able to unlock all the characters and stuff from GP’s that are done already?
not at the moment but they will come back
>is it fun
definitely

Yes
No
Yes

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EXCUSE ME ?

Eh, only used him for the challenge. I don't hate Turn or Gnorc but I'd prefer other characters.

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Norm skins are just too good

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it's real but you can't get it without hacking

Wait, what? Where did this come from?

we diddy kong racing now?

I'd like to know too

WHAT THE FUCK?!

not the same user but using unlock all cheats on switch has this in special karts

Who's the green goblin looking dude in the bottom right? Cut-content boss from Spyro 3 or something?

give a name for it then.
my guess is that it's the red bull promotion but I dunno

>the perfect vehicle for Aviator Crash and General Tiny
I NEED IT.

Boss from Heroes Tail Ineptune

The Pearl Harbor

it's called "the veteran"

DELETE

Nah, I recognise her. Meant the one above. Looks like concept art?

>BetaM noticed that the RedBull kart name was removed during his current perusal of the game files
could it be this?

When the fuck is the nitro tour stuff becoming available again? I'm not waiting half a fucking year so they can do their shitty reruns with fucking sorceress and baby cortex.

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Hopefully Spyro gets more alts in later GPs

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When they rerun it the Nitro Tour will be the first one. I assume, would be retarded otherwise.

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It better not be. The gummy kart is one thing but I'll be pissed if I have to miss out on the plane.

It's probably the best kart racer ever.

why did they make spyro's eyes small

big think

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>living in a world where you have to wait several months to see and use the Bandibabes

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What makes this so special compared to the UFO? Just remove the tire option

the fuck?

Well, it probably sounds like a fuckn plane

I'm tired of these fucking "datamines"

that's the Sorcerer, the villain of a DS Spyro game called Shadow Legacy.

If you beat the time trials then you can easily beat the a. I in hard mode. I finished the campaign on hard in one sitting.

It doesn't deserve it's own catagory is what I mean

>PC bros are gonna miss this
Fug

They're already missing out on the game
What difference will this make?

open the game files yourself and see with your own eyes, dumbass. it's just as easily available to you as it is to everyone else.

Playing as turn in the new track is awful. It is doable but it has a load of part that don't really match with the character turn rate while others can drift just enough to go trough the gaps in the racetrack.

forgot to post more
it came from twitter.

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Record a video please

welcome to 2019, where content is temporary and you don't own anything

>itll come to PC next year
It already happened with crash, it already happened with spyro, its inevitable

do kart or racing games even have a population on PC?

I hate this timeline

No, even Racing Transformed died quietly.

I played with players in Sonic All Star Racing Transformed after it had been out for years so there should be

not that guy but someone did it earlier
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>Last one there's a gnorc!
What the fuck, Spyro.

And Von Clutch when he comes out.

Neat

They need to let us transfer our progress once it comes out to the ultimate platform.

I like how his different skins also change up his mace's colour.

>lewd.pics/f/c9ec2b60/2019083011064000-AD808EFD2C53DCD6F8380113B64A0DD4.mp4
nice domain name

A truly vicious beast

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Post Spyro Team Racing track ideas and roster

Well yeah he lost his running shoes

>only 3 characters (no ripto)
>of those characters none have legendary skins
>only one character (zam) has an actual spyro themed skin despite having tons of shit to work with like egg thief or moneybags or dr shemp papu
>the track is basically a straight line and doesnt do much with all the different spyro worlds besides look nice
>hunter (a cheetah) is balanced and not speed whereas spyro (the franchise mascot who should be balanced like crash) is speed
>coco's irrelevant game skin is called evil coco meaning the actual risque version wont ever be added because beenox are based boys
>no retro spyro
>highest tier reward is a crunch skin
i dont know about this gp bros...

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Can't wait until I unlock her
Only 4k away

cUte

New player here. Just started up and I want some of the GP rewards. What's the best way to go about it? Complete Adventure mode?

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I mean look at Spyro and Gnorc's default options, they're miles ahead of the recolors others got, basically small/big norm tier. Its just a shame none give a unique podium animation.

I'm not a Spyro fan but I knew I wouldn't really care for this GP either way. Wheels aren't as good as the stone ones. Karts are pretty cool but the character choices are fucking retarded. The track is average at best. I'm just ready for October.

Just use the characters, karts, skins, wheels and colors related to the gp to get up to 50% more nitro. You can unlock all of this for free with the first nitro bar or buy this early with wumpa coins, you can get coins by racing online.

do the grand prix challenges, preferably using customization options that provide a nitro % boost, but being new you probably dont have any of those yet

do the challenges that are in the big honking menu that says "Grand Prix"

Spyro and Gnorc look great, the karts are good, the color schemes are good, and the GP wheels FINALLY DON'T LOOK LIKE SHIT

It would be doing the hardest quests in the GP tab, but if you're new id just recommend getting used to the game in adventure mode. Plenty of time to do the GP and even if you don't finish the gauge you can fill it up with wumpa coins after the GP.

Buy any items listed as GP limited, they'll be gone for a while after the GP ends.

>>coco's irrelevant game skin is called evil coco meaning the actual risque version wont ever be added because beenox are based boys
It hurts.

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All the items related to the gp have a green square the percentage of nitro you will get by using them. You can see all challenges in the grand prix tab in the main menu or in the main online menu.

she wouldn't be in regardless because of tranny era

Grind coins in online modes, then buy items sporting nitro canisters, wear them all together for the biggest possible bonus and proceed to clear all the challenges you can (Themed and Pro are better left for when you have a +50% bonus)

>hunter (a cheetah) is balanced and not speed

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The only thing they'd have to do is turn her booty shorts into regular shorts. Fishnets aren't THAT slutty.

>Wheels aren't as good as the stone ones

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>meaning the actual risque version
the one that was cut from the game entirely?

The trail that the stones leave are a million times better than the stupid gems. The gems themselves look better but the trail doesn't

Shut the fuck up retard, you can't judge the character choices if you're not a fan of the series. Poser shitters get out and leave my boy Gnasty alone.

>Wheels aren't as good as the stone ones
2/10
Would have made me angrier if you had said the lava wheels

Evil Coco not being in makes me think Evil Crash won't be in either, but will instead be replaced by the Realistic (Skeleton) Crash despite both being alt skins in CTTR. Evil Crash's potential is already being wasted in this GP because the savage animalistic victory animations for MoM Coco/Crunch would've fit perfectly for Evil Crash too.

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>Both Gnasty and Hunter were suited better to speed
>They made the speed character fucking Spyro

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Yes I can retard seeing as how i'm a fan of CTR and it should match up with a CRASH game and not a spyro one you turbo nigger.

No you can't dumb fuck, Spyro characters in the Spyro GP trump whatever dumb opinion you have

>that font

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>why is the dragon ramming everything at super speed with dedicated race courses on the ground and in the sky speed

The fire trail does look neat, but the way it completely vanishes every time you hop is too jarring imo.

>new skin and paint slots don't get replaced after you purchase one
Was it like this for the start of previous GPs too?

>Spyro character
>Spyro GP
>Crash game
K

why are Dragons so racist

Sadly yes.

>why didn't the Spyro GP have Crash characters
Wow

>Wheels aren't as good as the stone ones.

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Not what I said faggot. I can have an opinion on this GP even though it's from a franchise I no nothing about. I'm playing a Crash game despite the theme being spyro, my opinion isn't invalidated because of that. Stop burning strawmen faggot.

>trying to do two lap fire challenge
>USF spontenously dies before hitting a boost ramp in Tiny Temple
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>TFW sitting next to an empty Trident, one mostly full Trident, half a bag of Sour Patch Kids and gonna look for the other SPK this Sunday

Apparently I'm a fucking goy, holy shit.

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Iktf

(You) and everyone else i'm to lazy to tag why are the gem ones better? I haven't heard any opinion on the matter other than this user.And that user has a fucking point. What do you have?

>why are the gem ones better?
The wheels themselves don't look like ass.

where can I buy sour patch codes

>my opinion isn't invalidated because of that
Yes it is

cute and funny...

at least they don't use the shortcuts

The shit us completionists have to put up with.

>why are the gem ones better?
They look cool and can combo with more kart bodies than the ones from previous GP's. I just dig the mix of having a rounded/streamlined design to them, AND having a cool effect trailing behind you.

I don't care about trails. The stone wheels just look ugly and only 'fit' two vehicles.

I said thatThe difference being I think the trail looks better, which I happen to see more from my kart and others than the actual wheel itself.

No it isn't, make a reply that isn't
>no u
and I'll consider replying brainlet

Rock wheels are retarded, it doesn't look like something that would roll nicely. + the fire trail is disgustang, it's like puting flames stickers on your car. new wheels trail on the other hand is pretty soft and cool.

>starting the GP out with Dark Magic Wheels
I'm glad they have their priorities straight

Yo gnome velo is lit

Very happy to see that this morning, the pitstop selection should always accommodate the character nitro boosts available.

I require a webm of him doing the eyebrows

Who would you rather have had included from the Spyro franchise?
You can't give me a legitimate opinion because you know nothing about the series and don't care for it. That's why you are invalidated.

Regular Velo looks great in the Spyro car

>entirety of this GP has been green and purple
thanks, professor

Rest in peace.

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koala kong will join them

Ew why the fuck did they change the camera angle in the online lobby?
It looks wrong and hurts my feelings

RIPto
I just wanted to play as the little wizard dude

Sour patch kids

Ripto's coming next year
Coco will get the stupid reskin in October

Fuck your feelings

I can't proffer an opinion on who i'd rather have but I know I don't like what I got. Gnorc is meh since we already have Zem. Hunter is okay I guess and Spyro is Spyro so of course he'd be here. I don't like the track, I like the karts and the wheels are average. Skins are shit with the exception of the Norms, Velo, and Zam. My opinion is based on whats there RIGHT NOW. It's okay for what it is but I'm ready for the next GP for things I actually care about. Namely, characters and tracks from franchises I actually care about.

>why the fuck did they change the camera angle in the online lobby?
So you can actually see everyone in it.

New player here. How much disparity is there between the character types? The two kinds I like seem to be Accel and Balanced. Are these okay for competitive play, or will I get dusted by the other types?

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Holy god Aqua Gem paint and lightning elewheels look like shit.
Hunter's idle is cute tho

Accel is fine, but you'll struggle with balanced once you're matchmaking with the good players.

Accel's decent, Balanced will get you dusted. Speed is the big kid on the playground and will steal your lunch money if you try and take them on with bal or turning

Why the fuck can't I get into a lobby suddenly

I like that he accidentally shoots someone in the audience.

you should be able to contend pretty well with accel once you learn the advanced driving tech
really once you get good you'll be able to contend with any of the kart classes but accel and speed are the top for times because they have optimal speed/handling for basically every track

The tier list is essencially
Speed >= Accel > > > turn > balanced

You can win with any of them if you are good enough, but it will take a lot more skill, especially as balanced. Accel is actually great for competitive play though, so I'd get good with them if I was you. Not to mention they are the easiest to transfer your skills to speed as if you ever get to the point where you feel like you might need to

>Holy god Aqua Gem paint and lightning elewheels look like shit
Aqua Gem looks good on Trikee with the fish scales.

As anyone beaten Spyro Circuit's CTR Challenge on Hard? Feels like one hit or lose your fire and it's over, not to mention everyone's base speed is equivalent to USF

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Main accel and eventually speed and you will be fine.
Avoid turning and specially balanced until beenox fixes them

(balanced vs turning 10 wp)

files.catbox.moe/spbrp8.mp4

(balanced vs accel)

files.catbox.moe/k6ahry.mp4

(accel vs speed)

files.catbox.moe/gsg0yr.mp4

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>no evil coco
you better source that shit

The NV Coco skin is called Evil Coco

I NEED THIS. Fuck add Earthworm Jim as a guest character so I can stick him on this as well.

WOAH NELLY

He really should have been Accel, it's really strange.

This is awkward.

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he didn't say you can never win with turning
you will lose to a faster class that plays better than you tough

Don't reply to the liz retard

>this garbage isnt even available outside the US
phew

>no speed character there
>beat Balanced
You just proved his point.

Not that user but
All of those have a speed character on the podium. Balance and Turn still need buffs though.

I and other anons beat plenty of decent players as turn who roll speed and accel.
How so?

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What's the unlock all cheat? I can't seem to find it anywhere online.

>decent players
yeah but can you beat the top ranking ones
>skunk crash and unga bunga tropy losing
scary accurate image

Skill is more important than stats, a good player on a turning character will always beat a bad player on a speed character, but trust me, if there was some kind of real "le e-sport" for ctr, and tournaments were happening so really good player could fight each other, everyone will play speed.

They put in a lot of work for the gnome velo skin. Might be one of my regular characters now.

>I beat a speed character, therefore that stat balancing isn't as bad as people say
Stop this meme. You're the type of people who think Digital N. Tropy players aren't mostly terrible rage quitters.

>Try to play as him
>Normal straight drifting is impossible
>U-turing is literally the same as speed
What the fuck were they thinking?

They removed non threatening balance-checking boob jiggle, so yes

Can you beat the top ranking ones while you use speed? Shut the fuck up retard.

I assume he means on a hacked Switch

>Can you beat the top ranking ones while you use speed?
I don't play speed
why are you getting defensive

How do I redeem on Switch? Do I have to make an Activision account?

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>Titans era shit getting referenced
He's a shoe-in, boys.

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Id have to race them to see if you mean ranked from TTs.
Thatd be boring though. Theres have to be some variety.

>I don't play Speed
I don't believe you. But do you not understand why that was retarded to say?

i want retro spyro :(

I'm used to turning since ripper roo is probably my favorite on the roster.

Not him but yes. I regularly beat high level players. It's hard to compete with anyone that isn't shit with Turn or Balanced. I don't know why you think "I can beat shitters" is the same as "turn and balanced characters are in a good place".

no digimons allowed

>I can beat shitters
>turn and balanced characters are in a good place
Where did I say any of that you fucking mongoloid. Winning with turn doesn't automatically make who your racing against a shitter and turn and balanced need buffs. Neither is mutually exclusive and you're a dumbass for trying to make my argument for me.

>I don't believe you
I play accel

>there has to be some variety
Don't worry, there'd be a good variety. Some would play Dingo and Tiny, others would play Big Norm and Penta, and you might even see a Zem.

Honestly would've been a great legendary GP skin

Class variety.

99% of the players of this game can be separated into 2 categories: good, and shit. Anyone who's worth anything is going to be difficult to beat as a turn character. Anyone at a top level of skill, assuming they don't make any mistakes or get fucked by item RNG, can not be beaten as turn, because not even an absolutely perfect game as turn can beat a competing speed character. There is literally no situation where a turn character is equal to speed or even accel.

yeah mate because comp players are always like, "I could play as a viable character, but that would be BORING"

Dark Spyro is the new tryhard skin

>people still can't accept speed is just better
All this could be avoided if the Liz guy just showed his name. Then you know if he's just beating shitters.

Yes. Then you will get your switch code

Oh. Well, I'm sure there'd be at least a handful of Accel players. ;)

>there has to be some variety
There wouldn't, that is why we need better stats.

I miss condescending stoner Hunter.

Don't forget Crash

Stoners are lame as fuck and should all be gassed

Cool
I'm talking about a fictional computer game character

Especially fictional ones

>Been playing Gnasty Gnorc for hours

Ripper Roo was always my main so I just swooced right on in with my new Gnasty boy

Lighten up you sperg
Older VA was much better

>I'm top level bro, nobody who is good loses to turn while playing speed it just doesn't happen. I mean, it might happen to YOU but not me or other awesome good players who pick speed. I mean i'm playing time trial essentially.
Really guy? Why is it so hard for you to accept that Speed doesn't always win? You're not even making an argument for anything here. You don't say that anything needs a buff, or that speed needs a nerf. You're just saying speed never loses, because of magical godlike players and that's retarded.

It is widely acknowledged that speed is the best class, you fuckers can't accept when something other than speed wins. Have speedfags ever considered it takes more skill to win with something other than speed?

>be me
>join this Yea Forums server called the Archive Fields
>( discord.gg/HnuUfGn )
>filled with literal pedos, traps, etc
>cant report them to ToS because they delete posts that break it
>faggot called AA-1 runs the place
>bunch of people tell me to post my legs
>comply because desperate for attention
>AA-1 tells me if I write "archive" on my body, he'll give me a special number
>stupidly think "fuck it why not"
>do it
>I send it to him
>he sees it
>I delete it
>he saves it and shows it to everyone
>bullies me all day about it and calls me a retard and idiot
>everyone in the server keeps calling me a retard
>even the fucking traps their are bullying me
>AA-1 even DM's me and says the only way to make up for this is too start a live stream and shill the server and then seriously killing myself
>leave the server and have massive panic attack
>AA-1 sends all of his little buddies to add me as a friend and keep trying to guilt trip me into rejoining the server
>inb4 "just ignore them"
>AA-1's friends are in other main servers I use and they keep harassing me in their as well

Please help, what do I do? These faggots is seriously ruining my life.

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Thanks.

>speed is the top class
>well I won as turn
>that doesn't change speed being the top class
>you fuckers can't accept when something other than speed wins
Way to go.

>Deadonator, Spyromobile Purple, Spyromobile Tires
We pimpmobile now

Your point? Nothing you greentexted is wrong retard.

>chaining some boosts
>"Hold the R1 button AGAIN to powerslide!"

Would've been kino

Nice try at advertising your shit retard

>Your point?
My point is you're throwing a pointless fit. Nobody said non-speed classes couldn't win period.

Do you just assume everyone replying to you plays speed? I main Small Norm.

>drift for 5 seconds

Is that even possible? Or is it another "hyper spaceway boostless" scenario?

better players are attracted to speed because that's where the skill ceiling is
turn does win, but almost exclusively against players worse than them, which is fine at lower levels of play but at high levels turn cannot compete

>Have speedfags ever considered it takes more skill to win with something other than speed?
yes, it does, congrats dipshit you're king of the special olympics

>Is that even possible?
...you can do it on Crash Cove.

Yes, yes they do.

If you overextend a powerslide you can maintain it indefinitely if you fiddle with your turn. Easiest to do on battle arenas

kek
thats some ascended apex soul right there

wait never mind, I had it in my head that you had to boost as well, when it just means the actual drift.

Did orbs always go through blue shield? I had one flat out just eat my shield and hit me.

It does that from time to time. I'm pretty sure it's a glitch.

How does this make your statement not wrong.

>It takes more skill to play speed
Not really no. The only complications with Speed is the fact that they don't explain the mechanics. U-turn isn't hard at all and I don't know why people say it is. Please do explain the skill ceiling for speed because I can't help but have a bewildered look why people say speed is hard.

It's a latency issue I think
It's happened to me before

>How does this make your statement
What statement? Do you just assume everyone replying to you has been arguing from the start?

what class do you play? I want to say speed since you're an autistic tryhard, but you seem against speed

>tfw a good looking setup is also a 50% Nitro setup
Orc Norm and Gnasty Rider set is gonna be my go-to for this GP I think

reread my fucking post you ESL
first, I agreed with you that turning takes more skill
and then, I compared doing so to the special olympics, because winning with a turn character is like winning a race with prosthetic legs, it technically takes more skill to do it but you're only gonna beat poor runners or the similarly disabled, anyone on the same skill level with working legs isn't going to lose
Do you understand now?

i got the codes on xbox do i get them in 24 hours or something?

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>make snarky posts
>i'm not arguing
I'm done with you

I play as all of them, and i'm convinced people are absolute brainlets that can read but can't comprehend so i'll reiterate.
1. Speed is undoubtedly the best class in the game for obvious reasons
2. Winning with a class that isn't speed doesn't make your opponents shit

For fucks sake can someone actually refute this?

>Turn only beats shitty players
Do you not understand English? Just because you win with turn doesn't mean your opponent is of lesser skill. It's harder which we both seem to agree with, but you can't accept that anyone with the same skill level playing a class other than speed will win with someone who does. Online races aren't time trials so unless two people are the only ones racing and there was an agreement beforehand to not use items and just run laps I don't see what your point is.

>can someone actually refute this?
who the fuck is arguing against speed being the best class?

>Online races aren't time trials so unless two people are the only ones racing and there was an agreement beforehand to not use items and just run laps I don't see what your point is.
I made my position clear from the beginning, in my example neither player gets fucked by item RNG. Saying "you can win with luck!" is not helping your case.

>beat someone
>they're not worse than you are
Makes sense.

>Winning with a class that isn't speed doesn't make your opponents shit
Winning makes your opponents shit, period.

>Turning characters are unanimously agreed upon to be shit
>Also find that they are the least stressful on the thumbs because you aren't holding powerslides as long

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>Ignoring number 2
Brainlet

>Items aren't apart of racing or the game
Way to go

>races always go according to plan 100% of the time and it's a guarantee you'll always get the win on the same people all the time
Do you even think before you post?

>ignoring tons of posts because one faggot said only speed can win, then lumping them all together because you can't be wrong
Faglet

>Winning makes your opponents shit
What kind of retard logic is this?

Ohhhh so they lost because they were better. Makes sense.

>Ignoring posts
Which one s bitch? I'm getting (You)'s out the ass from seething faggots

Losing doesn't make you shit retard. Does losing by milliseconds make you shit? Does winning three but losing two make you shit? Whats your criteria?

>Whats your criteria?
Losing makes you shit. I'm not giving you a big second place trophy and throwing you a party for not coming first, loser.

>Items aren't apart of racing or the game
first of all, it's "a part"
Items are part of the game. Great observation! In my hypothetical, you know, the one I was telling you about, neither player gets fucked by RNG. Saying that it's possible for a player of equivalent skill to get unlucky, does not somehow make turning viable.

This Spyro map fucking sucks

t. losing

t. loser

I love it

this

>implying
Git gud

t. DNFd by Hunter

I don't think Beenox can make good tracks

Brainlet

>First of all
Shut the fuck up
>In my hypothetical we're running time trials
Absolute retard. It's obvious the person who doesn't get fucked at the starting line will get a lead and it's pretty much a guarantee to win. How does this mean speed=win?

Did they change the balance or something? Turning feels way sharper and Speed turns a lot better now, at least that's how it feels to me.

I KIND of like it. It's a bit cramped, but the song is catchy and I love the setting.
Go away, gnorc.

Their heart is in the right place, the fireworks chests that hurt you are pretty memorable, and so is the overall consistency of theme (gems, chests, etc.) but it's just another fucking straight line with no moderately challenging corners.

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All bonus tracks suck

>Shut the fuck up
Absolutely seething

Did they fix handling and balanced characters?

Fuck you, gnorcer

lolnope

yes

Ya got nothing huh?

I sleep

I'd like for her to rain on me

Turning seems to be faster than Balanced in the new track. I'm actually pulling away early and the times I'm setting on a 1st attempt are faster than some of my best times with Balanced. All with relative ease honestly.

Which doesn't make sense because it's basically a constant zigzag. It's a really shitty line.

Relic Races are the most fucking terrible content in every Crash game they're in, change my mind.

Are you literally insane or just really fucking stupid? Your original argument is that skill beats class. That is true to an extent, but at high levels of play class matters a lot. Now you're saying that skill doesn't matter at all and that RNG decides races, and also that that being lucky makes you more skilled than your opponent. By the way, RNG is not actually the same thing as skill.

>Win a race with Liz
>She fucking towers over the Spyro cast, including Hunter who I always assumed was average adult male height

S-She's a big girl...

SHUT THE FUcK UP AND BUY MORE wUMPA COInS

Battle mode.

Spyro map wouldn't be so bad if you didn't get Sparx'd by landing on the walls or grass in the wizard duel section. I hate how they've basically made every wall in the game fucking poisonous.

At least they teach you shortcuts

I was expecting more

Agree 100%. The series should really find more exciting ways to reward them. Crash Bash was close, imo. It was still a race against the clock, but it was also just a difficulty spike in general.

Fun with friends

Spyro is smol and Hunter is a manlet. But yeah shes a big gal.

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>Fun with friends
Anything can be fun with friends.

Does Back in the Race work in private lobbies? Tried to do the airplane mode exploit before but it doesn't seem to work anymore

>Your original argument is that skill beats class
>Now you're saying that skill doesn't matter at all
This proves that you're an utter retard with reading comprehension. You seem to be separating a lot of issues that are true if you put them in a vacuum and that's where the problem is so I'll make a list to make it easy for you.
1. Skill matters
2. Items are part of racing and you can't discount them
3. Speed is the best class in the game
4. Turn characters can win against Speed characters who aren't shit at the game.

You seem to have trouble with 2 and 4 for some ungodly reason because in your brain damaged head you don't think all of this is part of the same fucking game. ALL of those points factor into online racing and just because speed is objectively the best class doesn't mean it can't lose with someone else playing as turn. Get your head out of your fucking ass and comprehend.

No

It would be more interesting if they could show off their prowess as another class.
Depends. How much would you improve the stats though? Allocation and such?

Relics in general are unintuitive since their conception. Making players replay the whole game at the end of Warped was a terrible idea. They should've just programmed the ability to get relics on your first try if you're fast enough. And Relic Races in CTR were not a good idea either because CTR's cor gameplay has always been about flow and consistency but Relic Races were about accuracy and slowing down.

Ironically after doing relic races i love them, probably the only thing 8 hate about them is the floating boxes you have to hit perfectly or else you fail to get them all.

They could do with a small difficulty nerf, but they are solid game modes, play a CNK relic race and tell me you wouldn't enjoy a middle ground between that and ctr's challenge.

>play a CNK relic race and tell me you wouldn't enjoy a middle ground between that and ctr's challenge
I would not enjoy a middle ground between that and ctr's challenge

>Making players replay the whole game at the end of Warped was a terrible idea.

That's a bad take, speedrunning a level with the new running power up was pretty fun as none of the levels are long and its a nice test of your skill and memory of them.

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Put them in the CTR site and it will give you a new code for the Xbox. I think you cant actually redeem them till tomorrow though.

That's a shame, but you can't please everyone.

>That's a bad take, speedrunning a level with the new running power up was pretty fun as none of the levels are long and its a nice test of your skill and memory of them.
I'd agree with you if the running and tiger levels were the only formats. However, Warped had the problem of having a significant amount of swimming and driving levels that were more annoying than fun to speedrun.

I also made the batmobile comparison
I just wish we had something close to a batman skin so I can go hunt those bitch ass penguin users

>I just wish we had something close to a batman skin
Ninja Cortex

Aviator Crash

There was 2 swimming levels and 3 bike levels. I could understand area 51 but why dislike the first 2? The bike stuff was fun.

>kino aesthetic
>great music
>absolute shit layout that rewards nothing but items and straightline speed

It's basically Tiger Temple.

I never said speed can't lose. And I agree that anyone can get unlucky. All I said from the beginning is that on a playing field of equal skill, in a situation where neither player gets unlucky (because if we include all possible item scenarios nobody can prove anything because it's a chaotic clusterfuck) speed will win. Yes, if you get lucky with items you can win. Yes, that doesn't make the other player worse. But in a situation where both players are of equal skill and neither gets unlucky, speed will win, because the speed player is AS GOOD AS the turning player, and they are playing the faster class.

>Last to the finish line is a Gnigger
Woah Beenox what the fuck?

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Only real CNK niggas will know

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I personally like it better than Twilight Tour and Prehistoric Park. Its not a slog to get through like TT and doesnt have the chaotic beginning of PP

Its only flaw is that you can't drive over the corner you jump over in magic crafters. Its an absolutely solid track otherwise.

Missed oppritunity to have it GP boosted

This. I swear the karts they choose for the bonus are almost at random.

Anyone under the impression that Baby T's voice was changed?

booyah

god dam that looks really good.

I'd prefer it being changed to just being Crunch pitched up.

Yes, 100% agree. Now tell that to the other retards that replied to me. Every other (You) was a shitpost trying to masquerade as an argument. In your scenario it's practically a time trial which I never suggested even once turn would win. Getting an item that's useless for the situation at hand might as well mean not getting an item. And the post you replied to number four is what got so many faggots seething as if it could never be the case. Balance and turn still need buffs and I hope that Beenox does it right so I can stop being a retard and taking bait on an anonymous basket weaving forum.

>so I can stop being a retard
he finally admits it lol

>Did 35 races on Thunderstruck
>Only used up 13 minutes of bonus
That 20k in the bag just like that. And it's so fucking easy as well.

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Depends entirely on map length, for example
Tiny Arena
Speed's best time = ~2:54
Acceleration best time = ~2:57-59
Balanced best time = ~3:06-08
Turning best time = ~3:08-10

A young gnigga got it bad ‘cause I'm green

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I'm glad we agree on that. What I meant to say is that in a race, a great turn player can win against an equally skilled speed player, but only when item RNG is involved. It's really very frustrating for the turn player because the coin flips have to be in their favor to win, AND they also have to play better than their opponent. Honestly the entire class system needs to be either overhauled or removed.

Should have used the velo max

I've never made a claim that suggested otherwise, and it's apparent who the skilled players are regardless of their class. The obvious problem with the bottom tier is top speed. Accel is viable despite it's top speed being less than Speed's and if they just did that this wouldn't even be a conversation.

>Removed
I'm actually against this because in the end it'll either fall into the two upper tiered classes. I'd rather not do that but who knows if they'll even address it.

Do these work on the Switch version?

>3 bonus tracks currently
The verdict is in. Beenox is shit at designing tracks.

They have officially struck out.

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Spyro Circuit is okay
TT is meh
PP is one of the worst tracks in the game

>Beenox is shit at designing tracks
The majority of the tracks in CTR and CNK aren't that good either.

Yet people still mass vote for PP.

>>Straight line speed
>Constant curves and turns
>Really narrow track

Because there's a chance they'll avoid the item clusterfuck and pull ahead with USF at which point nothing can stop them except a clock

List of shit tracks by game

CTR:
>Dingo Canyon
>Tiger Temple
>Dragon Mines
>Blizzard Bluff

CNK:
>Inferno Island
>Jungle Boogie
>Meteor Gorge

Yes

I fogot
>Turbo Track
>Slide Coliseum
They're so shit my mind literally blocks them

Assembly Lane is kinda shit but not that much

You guys forgot
>Crash Cove
>Coco Park
>Android Alley
>Assembly Lane

All the trophy girls are unnaturally tall. They're closer in proportion to tiny and dingodile

but they also pretty much redesigned most of the CNK tracks from scratch because of the lack of antigravity and they're god-tier, I've played CNK and the pre-NF tracks aren't nearly as fun

>gnasty gnorc is a beginner character
>BEGINNER!?
>He has a low top speed and no chance to DNF
>NO CHANCE!?
>besides, his skins suck
>THAT DOES IT!

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Part of the reason tracks in CNK aren't fun is because the game plays like garbage.

>>Crash Cove
It's shit but it's iconic shit for being the 1st track

>>Coco Park
It serves its purpose of being the most simple track

>>Android Alley
This one is actually great, if you don't like it cuz no blue fire then you can fuck off

>>Assembly Lane
It's pretty low tier but it's not bad enough to call it shit

Good post

Speed has a lower skill ceiling than other classes except for specific maps like Cortex Castle or Tiny arena where proper u-turning while building reserves is actually tricky. Majority of maps are straight and simple and reward Speed's higher speed and tighter turning radius on straights. Getting fast times with speed on easy maps is baby shit.

What's funny is that they're shorter now than they used to be

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I think the Spyro one is the best for me. I didnt mind TT but PP just felt underwhelming as hell.
and to some extent visually or depending on the race itself i like all the tracks

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Sort of, there's an extra step where you gotta put in an eshop code they give you.

Yeah looking back skill ceiling isn't even close to being the best term for it, it's more that once you hit a certain skill level, you're going to be seeing way more results with that class and diminishing returns with other classes. There's probably a term for it but all I can really think of is "top-tier".

Am i the only one who loves how tall and beautiful some of them are?

Hunter? More like cunter

yeah mate you're the only one

Dragon Mines is the worst track in CTR.
>Invisible, unpatched walls when you're driving close to the wall
>Has a slow and tight shortcut where can you get squished by a moving cart if not fast enough
>That long fucking spiral turn
>Wooden poles afterwards
>Difficult to keep the SF burning cause of 2 sharp turns after getting boost
>Unfair N. Oxide time trial, even with his bumps

I wish I could stop choking during these races
Always that one small fuck up that seals the race sends me to 3rd or below

are you me

>CNK Track
>nosedive in rank because I hit a brick jutting out a certain way on the track and came to a complete standstill

This is an inherent problem with class systems, min/maxers are always going to gravitate to whatever is the most efficient. At this stage Speed will always be the best for time trial, and will technically be the best in multiplayer, if you don't count the randomness from items.

I don't think buffing other classes makes sense, they would just become Speed lite. Engine swap makes sense if you just want to see characters as another cosmetic instead of being tied to a statistic, and would prefer more character variance over gameplay variance, and as you say;
>once you hit a certain skill level, you're going to be seeing way more results with that class and diminishing returns with other classes
There is almost no reason to play other classes but Speed unless you really like a certain character or aren't anal about the best times.

Jungle Boogie is by far the absolute shittiest stage in the game, even worse than Inferno Island.

>Tiger Temple, Jungle Boogie, and Meteor Gorge
>shit
You have very odd taste.

I'd prefer they buff other classes and add engine swap, that way there's at least some reason to use other classes, and everyone can pick what they enjoy most.

Jungle Boogie is trash

Not this engine swap bullshit again

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This, Meteor Gorge is fun. Not every track has to be a three-and-half minute marathon

Why? I'd say the worst part about it is the clunky beginning with the staircase early in the track but the rest is fine.

Why is it trash user. Explain yourself.

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If the other classes are buffed enough to be usable, what's the problem?

Do you really think the other classes should be as fast as Speed though? That would kind of take away from what makes Speed speed.

Revolution?

There are other ways to buff classes than to simply buff their speed stat to match, what are you on?

What makes speed so good is the combination of it's speed, it's ability to drift on straights, and the universal u-turn mechanics benefitting it the most. If you bring the other classes up to its level, speed still has advantages, but the other classes are now comparable.

A speed buff is the only buff that matters at this point. It's the only thing that can balance the classes.

Such as?

>Try to make an Activision account
>You need a mobile phone number

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>airplane mode glitch doesn't work
Great. How am I suppose to get the "Back into the Race" challenge?

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You just go fast at the start of the last lap
It's easy bro

you wait for some other host to ragequit

>make USF speed the same for everyone
>give more reserves proportional to handling stat so they don't have to spend so much time over-correcting their trajectory

both of those should be implemented, but bro, nobody worth listening to has trouble building reserves, if anything reserves are already easier to build as turning, the problem is that low top speed means that those reserves don't give you what you need to win
running out isn't a problem, slowness is
and universal USF speed, while a great change, wouldn't fit the many tracks that don't have STPs

Reserves are easier to build on Turning/Balanced due to their slower speed.

Hot opinions coming through.

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>I only like it if I can blue flame for 3 laps: the tier list
Boring

That's not the reason I like the tracks at the top or dislike the ones toward the bottom, but okay.

>he still can't get through the spiral in Dragon Mines
lmao

not him but Dragon Mines is just boring and unpleasant

Nah, I just find it boring. Here's a better track based on a mine.

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It's just as shit

>all fenomina tracks god tier
Based and normpilled

I forget that Barin Ruins and Meteor Gorge are different levels.

Engine swap would literally fuck the games original intent and design.

>admits Dragon Mines is shit
Thank you.

WRONG IMAGE

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well this isn't the original game
it has systems and by extension balance issues the original game didn't
it adds a lot of stuff the original game didn't have, changes the art and music and adds more karts and characters that were never meant to be playable
it is already different

that must have been a pain

I've never had any real trouble building reserves as non-accel/speed characters but when playing balanced/turning I find that I have to bail out of triple boosts just so I don't crash into a wall even when countersteering as hard as they'd allow.
Yeah, they can continue boosting on sharp turns where an accel/speed would need to brakehop around instead, but that reserve build is mostly inconsequential once you're at your highest boost level. It's just a subtle nudge but it'd give them the flexibility to just take the shortest route from point A to point B by spending their reserves instead of the fiddly snaking that they have to do if they want to build reserves in straight lines.

>superficial stuff like characters, music and cars are the same as something inherent to the gameplay that made the original CTR a good game
What’d he mean by this?

What stores did you guys find candy with the CTR codes? I checked Dollar General a week ago and they only had the regular packaged candy like normal. I’m in Alabama for reference

nice ignoring the part where I said that the gameplay is different
karts handle differently, reserves deplete faster, walls kill your speed, USF can be held forever, item balance is different, jumping is less useful and hopping as we know it no longer exists, U-turning no longer kills your reserves, air braking is a thing now, some jumps are tied to scripted parts of the track instead of proper physics, etc.

Then go play the original game.

I could say the same to you. Did you not notice that half the things I listed are positives? Even with its flaws I like the remake better. It has already changed the gameplay. Also, to say that intentionally separating characters into "good" and "not good" is what made the original great is ridiculous, and so are you.

i'm going to buy all of these and then sit on the codes until they expire because i don't own CTR and only have $200 to my name and can't be wasting it on video games.

Anyone?

It's literally not because you are going towards the walls instead of around corners

I didnt ignore that part its just not relevant to what my point is. None of that is inherent to the class statures and the devs at NDs implementation of how they work with strenghs and weaknesses. Youre asking them to literally kill that in a remake thats faithful to that model.

Sorry but I could literally say the same thing about speed. The horrible turning radius makes it near impossible to bend around corners on more difficult maps while getting 3 boosts. You absolutely have to use u-turning to make corners on more difficult maps with Speed if you want good times. Actual fucking skill required.

If we're talking about baby shit tier maps then yeah, sure, you have to over correct far more often on balanced/turning on straights which is why I consider speed a shitty crutch for bad players online.

Where are people getting that Spyro Circuit is heavily anti-Turn?

I've just been doing my dailies as Gnasty and I've left the competition in the dust almost four times now. The narrow roads encourage me to snake more and I've been able to maintain SF with it

The few Spyros that catch up to me keep bumping into the walls and losing SF

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>Where are people getting that Spyro Circuit is heavily anti-Turn?
First I've heard of it. If anything, it punishes speed.

>Turning/Balanced get buffed orange fire so Speed/Accel doesn't just have every conceivable advantage when recovering from hits or getting ahead at the start
>Once they get SF and USF, they fall behind Speed/Accel again like normal, diminishing returns start to show

>Balanced has the same orange fire as Speed
>Turning has the same orange fire as Accel
>Harsher drift angle in straights evens this out for both, Accel and Speed still pull ahead but not by nearly as much and can't just own the race unless they get SF/USF

>This is with absolutely no changes to default speed or handling for anyone

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What even is your point? SOUL maybe?

>None of that is inherent to the class statures and the devs at NDs implementation of how they work with strenghs and weaknesses.
First of all, none of what you just said makes any sense and I'm not even sure that's English. Are you having a stroke? Second of all, how on Earth is making class balance a straight line from bad to good in a multiplayer game a good idea? Much less how it's somehow part of what made the original great.

>Youre asking them to literally kill that in a remake thats faithful to that model.
Yeah, that's about right. It's not really that good of a model.

Just some impresisons I remember from this afternoon

>The tropical vibes gum is actually really tasty
>Gives a cool car and decal

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Where did you get the gum?

Soul isnt my point at all. I havent played the original CTR in several years and when I did it was always as Crash. Secondly its English so ill clarify again. Asking Beenox to implement engine swap fucks with the fact that they tried to make this a faithful remake with some superficial tweaks to gameplay or aesthetic. Engine swaps wouldn't fix a damn thing it would just hurt the remake.

>tfw paint is the last thing I'm missing
>seriously thinking about this
>but it's twice what i'm willing to pay

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I'm still waiting for the hypnotized Dingo, Polar and Pura skins.

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Why did you post this, and how did you fuck up posting a youtube link?

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>The horrible turning radius makes it near impossible to bend around corners on more difficult maps while getting 3 boosts. You absolutely have to use u-turning to make corners on more difficult maps with Speed if you want good times. Actual fucking skill required
Aside from Tiny Arena I really don't see what you mean here. They pretty much take the corners just like everyone else with an early enough slide going into it.

So close to the next car
Just 3 challenges I can't complete
At least I have that Coco skin now so grinding this shit is easier

What challenges are you missing?

I have no idea how you can consider the changes to reserves and USF superficial. The remake is faithful in the ways that matter and adds significant improvements where it can. Keep in mind that I also want classes to be rebalanced as well, which uh, would fix a damn thing or two.
You know you really shouldn't act like ND's original design was 100% perfect, they're humans and sometimes humans make mistakes. You don't need to defend everything that daddy Rubin does, it's not like he cares.

>anons says, like it's a bad thing

>Tiger Temple
>not narrow
Don't pretend people ever intentionally miss the shortcut

we got ourselves another one

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Like i said its been years. But i remember how classes worked from videos or even trying them out as a kid. But mostly playing as Crash cause nobody else really appealed to me. I dont think their design is perfect at all but explain how engine swaps would fix anything.

>but explain how engine swaps would fix anything.
Sole purpose is to turn characters into cosmetics

heeheehee

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Engine swap would allow for characters to be essentially cosmetic. That, combined with rebalanced stats for the bad classes, would allow anyone to play as they like with anyone they like. As long as both changes are implemented, it is an absolute net positive.

>it is an absolute net positive.
I wouldn't just shoot down the opposing argument that class variance might reduce. My argument against that is people already gravitate to Speed characters so variance is already low as fuck.

>Engine swap would allow for characters to be essentially cosmetic
Not a positive.

>Engine swap would allow for characters to be essentially cosmetic.
I know and how is that a good idea? You should wanna try out classes and play for the characters.

Giving people the choice of what they want to play sounds like a positive to me.

That's why the buffs and balance changes are ESSENTIAL. The idea ONLY works if the other classes are worth playing, otherwise it solves nothing.

Because everyone's looking forward to their favorite character getting stuck in balanced or turning, right? That's why people are begging for Brio to be balanced, because we all just love to suffer. If the other classes were worth playing, people would gravitate to them, and nobody has to worry about their favorite forgotten Crash character being reduced to rock bottom tier.

Choice isn't inherently good.

That's like saying it's okay to choose late game gear immediately at the beginning of a game because it offers more 'choice'

What a horrible comparison. They already let you play as the "late game gear" right off the bat, you just can't choose what your "late game gear" looks like.

Because u-turning exists, the only other metric out of the players hands is the Speed stat. Buffing other classes will literally boil down to just making them faster, completely obliterating what makes the Speed class unique.

If the end game and early game gear is cosmetic then the choice is irrelevant. You are free to pick Speed from the moment you start up CTR, the only deciding factor is what you want to look like,

The comparison serves to show how fucking stupid 'choices' can be. They don't always add something to the experience and in this case they don't because characters having classes is the only difference between them mechanically to begin with. There's nothing to gain from taking the only thing that sets them apart away for some superficial 'choice' when the current system actually gives you different controlling characters period.

>You are free to pick Speed from the moment you start up CTR, the only deciding factor is what you want to look like,
Then it doesn't need changing. It's fine.

I definitely disappointed Spyro turned out to be Speed, I just assumed they would copy Crash due to being the main character. If I could play him as Balanced that would be nice, but I have Hunter I suppose.
Missed the point

>Because u-turning exists, the only other metric out of the players hands is the Speed stat. Buffing other classes will literally boil down to just making them faster, completely obliterating what makes the Speed class unique.
The greatest advantage of the Speed class is its turn radius. If you buff everyone else to an equal (or at least very close) speed, the difference becomes in how karts control as opposed to how objectively good they are.

What "sets them apart" is what's dragging them down. All the characters are all just reskins of each other anyway, if they arbitrarily made Spyro accel instead of speed, that wouldn't be what makes him "unique", the character and personality is what makes them unique.

you are so, so close to understanding what's wrong with your own point

I'm talking about Spyro Circuit

>What "sets them apart" is what's dragging them down
I don't see how you could ever view characters having different controls as a design flaw. This is the bare minimum requirement of any game calling itself having a 'large roster'.

>All the characters are all just reskins of each other anyway
No they aren't. Cortex is not the same as Ripper Roo. What YOU'RE ASKING FOR, would make them reskins of each other.

>if they arbitrarily made Spyro accel instead of speed, that wouldn't be what makes him "unique", the character and personality is what makes them unique
Unfortunately it does because this is a racing game and racing games live and die by having cars with different stats. It is as non-negotiable as characters in fighting games having different combo strings. It's a requirement.

You are asking for a very shitty racing game.

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