>ITT: games where it turns your the bad guy
ITT: games where it turns your the bad guy
Jordan Flores
Grayson Cooper
>where it turns your the
Colton Perez
I meant "where it turns out your the bad guy", you pedantic bastard.
Parker Perez
>your
you're = you are
anyway, did you mean to post sh2?
Josiah Gomez
Zachary Morris
turns me on maybe
William Nelson
Cheryl/Alessa/Heather is the villain of Silent Hill, she even realizes it herself in Silent Hill 3.
Michael Powell
He means how Heather was Alyessa ressurected. They are the same person.
Jonathan Brown
this. Heather actually looks like pic related, she just dyes her hair but her pubes are black as the void user.
Xavier Williams
This is the first time I've seen someone say that she's the villain. A demon being forced into you doesn't make you a villain, and she wasn't really doing any of the stuff in 1 for any reason other than to contain it. Dahlia, Kaufmann, and Claudia are the only villains.
Christopher Peterson
>This is the first time I've seen someone say that she's the villain
Then you must be pretty new
Jason Clark
Not really. I've been posting SH threads for years. The only reason I could see thinking she's the villain is because of the boss fight in 3, but I see that more as Heather just trying to stay "herself" after realizing she's Alessa's reincarnation. But Alessa was never a villain in the first place.
Oliver Thomas
spec ops the line
Oliver Brown
She looks like a bad guy to you?
Hudson Adams
I mean we dont LITERALLY mean she's "a villian" but for 90% of SH1 we thought Alyessa was super antagonistic until we realised right near the end she was actually sympathetic. Poor fucking Heather man, imagine suddenly remembering being burnt alive. Experincing all of lifes growing pains TWICE.
Asher Hernandez
basduh
Austin Wilson
>I mean we dont LITERALLY mean she's "a villian" but for 90% of SH1 we thought Alyessa was super antagonistic until we realised right near the end she was actually sympathetic
That's why I think SH1 benefits from being replayed the most. The second playthrough is so different when you know Alessa is the victim from the beginning.
Caleb Jackson
t. Sam Barlow
fuck off
Luke Ramirez
The Last of Us
Medal of Honor
Gabriel Johnson
>mfw when i feel bad for Alyessa
>but not so bad that i dont still want to bury my face into heathers warm hairy mound
Adam White
Alessa isn't a villain, but she does fit the antagonist role. Sure, her intentions are good, she wants to save the world from god, but she's certainly willing to crack a few eggs to get there, or protagonist and his daughter being among those eggs.
Kevin Brown
Thanks for the spoilers. Cunt.
Jonathan Hill
I wasn't even the first one to say it and the game is like 20 years old.
Jackson Lopez
the game is 700 years old, I'm sorry you're so slow
Isaiah Cox
Kotor
Ayden Hughes
Why would you even be in this thread??
Brandon Allen
>but she's certainly willing to crack a few eggs to get there, or protagonist and his daughter being among those eggs.
I don't think she actually wanted any harm to come to Harry or Cheryl. She pushed him away later in the game but that was probably from him not understanding and aggressively confronting her. I think the phone call and Cheryl appearing on the TVs were Alessa asking Harry for help.
Kevin Miller
Mason Jackson
Technically Heathers had 3 lifes
Jaxon Carter
Yeah but wasn't Cheryl "half" while Heather was actually the two halves of a soul rejoined?
Charles Stewart
The harm has to come to Cheryl. She can't preform the suicide/deicide ritual without being at full power. This is why she summoned her. Harry and Cybil are collateral. She would have probably preferred for them to live, but them being there did nothing to stay her hand. And I can't really blame her. In her mind, they'd all die anyway after the god was born.
>I think the phone call and Cheryl appearing on the TVs were Alessa asking Harry for help.
I don't know. It could be Harry's worries manifesting. Or Alessa's/Cheryl's desire. I'd be more inclined to believe it if Alessa gave Harry a chance to help, or even tried to communicate. Instead she tries to stay away from everyone and relies solely on herself.
Gavin Price
James Miller
>The harm has to come to Cheryl.
Does the game actually show any harm coming to Cheryl? I thought Cheryl only existed so Alessa could split her powers and delay the cult's plans, and when called back they just merged.
>It could be Harry's worries manifesting.
All the otherworld stuff was from Alessa, it's not like 2 where everyone's personal issues manifest. She probably wanted Harry to help but couldn't totally rely on him which is why she continued with her own plan too. I would imagine that Alessa took Cheryl's memories after merging and felt something for Harry from that.
Chase Watson
>puts her father through hell
>said father gets murdered by monsters in Silent Hill 3
>not a villian
Alessa created Silent Hill, and she is the central figure of their religion.
Grayson Turner
I guess, but Heather didn't grow up with the memories of Cheryl, the first seven years of Cheryl life were basically erased. So I personally see it as another life.
Sebastian Watson
Michael Wilson
>Cheryl/Alessa/Heather
jesus christ Silent Hill's overarching plot is stupid
Jackson Thompson
It's Japanese. What do you expect?
I choose to believe that the dog ending from SH2 is canon.
Nathan Lee
3 just went really fucky with it and tried to do too much. Game plots are best when they're just kept as something simple to enhance the game rather than trying to be something deep to stand on its own.
Jordan Long
>Alessa created Silent Hill
No she didn't. Phenomenon existed long before her.
>and she is the central figure of their religion.
Only after Claudia's reforms.
Josiah Rogers
>puts her father through hell
She was going through hell already and wanted Harry to help. You're kind of a shitty parent if you aren't willing to go through hell for your kids anyway, but Harry was willing.
>said father gets murdered by monsters in Silent Hill 3
So Alessa is a villain because Claudia had him murdered?
>Alessa created Silent Hill
Only after a demon was literally forced into her.
Nathaniel Wright
>Does the game actually show any harm coming to Cheryl?
Her existence ends. Sure, she's a part of Alessa, but she had a life of her own before being summoned. And it was a relatively happy one.
>All the otherworld stuff was from Alessa
I know. Still, I wouldn't be shocked if some more potent stuff managed to bleed into Alessa's dominant otherworld here and there. Like how James can feel Angela's flame despite being in "his" world. Or how Heather sees Leonard as a giant monster, most likely courtesy of Claudia's trauma.
>She probably wanted Harry to help but couldn't totally rely on him which is why she continued with her own plan too. I would imagine that Alessa took Cheryl's memories after merging and felt something for Harry from that.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. I was just thinking that if she was willing to actually ask for help, she'd do it. Wanting something and taking steps to achieve it are two different things.
Gavin Robinson
>but her pubes are black as the void
post it
Logan Foster
Resident Evil Biohazard
Connor Butler
Jason Gray
>I was just thinking that if she was willing to actually ask for help, she'd do it.
But I think she was, by having "Cheryl" contact Harry through the phone and TVs. If she appeared as herself Harry probably wouldn't be as sympathetic because he doesn't know who she is, and was already told she's evil by Dahlia and that she was responsible for Cheryl's disappearance.
Wyatt Gutierrez
My life
Jacob King
Yet another reason silent hill 2's self contained plot is the best in the series.
Christopher Torres
I don't know. The messages he got are way too vague and kind of random in their timing for me to take them as a conscious cry for help. Whenever Harry and Alessa are face to face, she immediately bails or attacks. Even though she has Cheryl's memories inside of her, she also has 14 years of being failed by every adult in her life, as well as the ticking time-bomb that is god.
Camden Rodriguez
SH1's is just as good on its own.
Jayden Thompson
David Miller
>she immediately bails or attacks
Yeah I admit it's just a bit of headcanon because the game doesn't directly say why she was doing that, but I assumed she did that because Harry was being confrontational with her and didn't really understand who she was or what was going on, and couldn't really take the time to stop and explain anything. And obviously Cheryl herself wouldn't really be making the phone call or appearing on the TV, I don't think anything was said about her having powers too.
Thomas Jenkins
Still way better than KiNgDoM hEaRtS and their 20 incarnations of the same white-haired dude.
Noah Perez