Playing a mid tier in smash is the most painful purgatory...

retard alert

Tiers barely matter unless you're at a tourneyfag level, change my mind.

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>beat all my shitter friends as doctor mario easily
>get shit on in a tourney environment with him because his recovery is ridiculously exploitable
fun times

I’m kind of trying to be tourneyfag, samus is the only one I can seem to get good with. I’m trying to play wolf but his movement and moves are so foreign to me

Samus/Dark Samus are really freaking good if instead of mastering rushdown, comboing, and shield pressure, you put all of your time into evasiveness and efficient use of projectiles. Then you have to train your mind to be okay with matches lasting for six minutes, and you will place well at tourneys.

In other words, if you don't mind sucking the fun out of the game for almost everyone involved, then most mid tiers (especially zoning characters) are tournament viable.

Samus is a good beginner character, but her frame data is awful, and she can't KO without projectiles. There are zoning characters with good frame data, and can KO without projectiles. See: Young Link.

she doesnt have enough tools to be top tier
like charge shot is a good move and thats it, thats not even high tier material
if nair could actually challenge juggles, zair as a poke actually did damage, and dsmash/jab1 werent nonfunctional shed maybe be high tier

i really wish she was better because charge cancel movement is the coolest shit in the entire game

Tiers matter more the higher level of play you go. At locals, mid-tiers can do quite well and grow as characters through experimentation. Playing casually, tiers are nearly irrelevant, as top tiers often require incredible levels of skill/technical skill to utilize their strengths. Simply put, if you don't enjoy playing a character, it's much less likely that you'll do well with them.

>not taking taking pride in his mid tier since it means his opponents have minimal matchup experience against you

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i need some help the only characters im good at are donkey kong and incineroar and i get bodied constantly by my friend that plays at tourney level how do i get .better

donkey kong can get results at mid level easily. Abuse super armor and long limbs.

Getting better means having to actively pay attention and analyse what went wrong in your own play. What sort of moves and situations lead to you getting punished? What sort of situations is your opponent trying to create to keep you in a bad position? How can you get out of those with your character's kit? Is there anything your character has that is even relatively reliable at hitting, building percent and KOing your opponent, and how could you abuse it better? What's your basic game plan, how do you win matches? What do you do when you have the opponent at the ledge?
There's all sorts of questions that warrant asking and considering answers to.

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i thought you meant zero suit samus, because that guy said "Zero pity samus"

Try playing Kirby, drama queen.

At least kirby has hope for buffs

She’s not a good beginner character desu, to play well at top levels you need to master wavebouncing, a decidedly not beginner friendly technique. She gets a LOT out of her techskill and evasion than other characters but it’s so hard to play. Plus she just gets mowed down by Fox, ZSS, and Joker, and Duck Hunt and Olimar both block Charge Shot with ease. Sure she may be easy at low levels with simple charge shot bomb back forward air neutral, but that doesn’t fly at top level so she needs that much more difficult neutral to survive.

You understand my struggle here. Charge shot movement is incredible and it unlocked her potential... but then every other character in the game got better too

>samus can’t kill without projectiles

Super wrong. Nair, bair, upair, fair, and sourspot downair all have good or exceptional knockback when used correctly, uptilt and dtilt can hit quite nicely, and sweetspot fsmash is stronger than people think. Dash attack is wonky and I would prefer if the sweetspot was at the start of the move, not the weird middle that it is at the moment.

Of course charge shot is her best tool, but she doesn’t have a shortage of kill moves

fuck off faggot, the gap between top-tiers and mid-tiers in Smash is the smallest it's ever been.
and a good chunk of mid-tiers have good/decent matchups against top-tiers as well. Samus' dumbass "spam projectiles, fair or grab if anyone approaches, then roll/run to the other side of the stage" playstyle works just fine against most of the roster, you're just bad at the game.

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