Chucklefuck didn't pay devs and artists for Starbound

hello where are the proofs located?

And THAT kids, is why you should never be working for free

I hate the way this post is formatted.
Imagine putting dramatic pauses in a fucking twitter post.

So is the indie scene imploding or what? There's been a dozen scandals in the last week.

should have added a "and he sexually assaulted me in a dream" to make it more believable

Nah, there's always scandals all the time

You really consider paragraph breaks dramatic pauses? Jesus. You must be in the edge of your seat when reading a book then.

You're either autistic or ESL if you cannot detect the faggoty fumes rising from that screencap.

HE

DID

IT

FOR

FREE

>Toby Fox makes music for Starbound
>they ditch his hour of music because he wasn't in the IRC enough
>he was just working on Undertale and finishing college at the time
>after Toby Fox got popular from Undertale, they put one of his tracks back in
>never got paid for it
Toby is pissed in the replies.

>scamming trannies
i'm thinking based

>the tranny thinks it's owed something it was never owed in the first place
Truly shocking. Should've cried rape instead, that seems to be the in thing right now.

If that's a tranny it's 100% a lie

Good to know that not a single cent of my $14.99 was wasted on that homo. I almost can forgive Chucklefuck now.

Hol' up. You're telling me that Chucklefish managed to convince a bunch of colored haired knuckle draggin retards to not only work for you, but to work for free?

That's just good business.

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One asshole does it and others see them and decide to jump in while its relevant and in the media focus

Tards like this realise that working for indie devs is far from profitable and so try to make money/fame off scandals instead

>It's a tranny
I'm not surprised.

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I'm sorry, but is this supposed to be anyone else but this dumbfuck kid's fault? Welcome to the real world, hopefully it was a good lesson.

Just the trans/gay side. The straights or the normals as I like to call them are doing just fine.

this never actually happened since they feel the need to tweet about it instead of going to court

>trans flag
Good, doesnt deserve to get paid. Should get paid to off themselves

You mean apart from the tranny flag and the demigendered avatar? Fucking retard.

Got some experience under your belt now champ, you should be thankful for the opportunity, now you're ready to knock on some doors and give some firm handshakes, you'll be swimming in it in no time.

Back in my day I too had to work unpaid for 6 months after high school, got job training and experience and after that they hired me for $50/hour. You gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps, son, and the world is your oyster.

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it cant implode because people will always make games. the only thing that will go are publishers which is basically the antithesis of indie anyway.

>game team is british
Chucklefuck was also in charge of publishing Risk of Rain and it was really fucking obscure

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>going to court
Dipshit: I was taken advantage of!
Lawyer: "Here is your employment contract, here is the relevant rules, standards, and practices that say that you were a freelancer who was doing pro-bono work experience placements".

Dipshit would just be wasting money to get himself embarrassed.

based boomer

More common than you think. I worked for 1.5 years in indies for absolutely no money at all before I got my first shitty job in an AA studio. Nobody wants to hire you when you have no experience. So what you do is you work for free. That's how life is in current year anons. Unless you know somebody who knows somebody, you're not getting that first job in vidya without working for free first.

Toby fox destroys chucklefish

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Why are trannies always so stupid? Or is it because they just love screwing themselves over so they can play the victim?

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>Working without a paycheck
>Buying into the intern-meme
Based retards.

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Based boomer brother. I made sure to get documentation to back my shit up when I worked for free.

Yeah.....if you were expecting money, I would be demanding that shit right away. I don't feel bad for this dude at all.

Retard.

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Formerly sneedlefeed.

What's the alternative? Sucking a dick to get a job? How exactly are you getting that first job with no experience?

Imagine not asking for a salary and then go rant in Twitter
>They didn't pay me!!
Well, no shit, dumbass

if it he wanted to get paid then why didn't he ask to? why did he do all that work FOR FREE and then only later whine about it?

>worked for free
>for 2 years
At some point it's gotta be partly on you, too.

>Tranny flag
>Colored hair
"He" deserve it

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tell that to the DARQ guy

lmao

get contacts bruh

Firm handshake
Dress well
Don't be autistic

Good goyim

We've known chucklefish to be fishy for the better part of the decade.

>also I was raped

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based

You're the biggest dumb retard ever if you want to willingly work "in vidya" and deserve everything bad happening to you anyway.

what a fucking retard

Bullshit your CV and references. Duh

So sucking dicks to get a job huh. Hey at least working for free you get relevant work experience, it will be useful. Sucking dicks, not so much

Get a regular ass job first, and prove that you're not a lazy piece of shit. Work that for a while. Then get a real ass job, preferably with connections you've made.

pull yourself by the bootstrap

cut him some slack, he has enough problems stacking food stamps for the cold winter, now that he foolishly discarded the big bucks

So why is the faggot in OP crying? He says he wants to work for free, and then he's reeing because he doesn't get paid? Is it all for attention?

sucking a good dick can get you a good husband though

thanks mom, that has really helped me out so far.

Things like this are why I barely have 100 hours in Starbound, but around 2000+ hours in Terraria.

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You know I would have made dumb decisions as a 16 y/o as well. Valuable life lesson about valuing your art.

I almost made the same dumb mistake when I offered to write music for yandere simulator.

wtf I love chucklefish now

Why is so much music in that game awful? it's all like super overdramatic canned orchestra shit that doesn't fit at all.

they blame everything on being young but then encourage young kids to undergo gender reassignment surgery because they liked dolls instead of trucks. I mean fuck, when I was 16 working as an umpire for t-ball I'd have flipped a shit if I wasn't getting paid.
the eternal victim I guess. All mistakes are because of other people, not that I didn't take action to remedy it.

know people. software dev and by extension game dev have this autistic habit of shuffling around the same 1000 or so candidates across like 100 companies instead of finding new talent.
it's all a scam. build capital doing a trade then go independent

Isn't that a tranny?

>Is it all for attention
everything is. that is our world
priority 1: attention
priority 2: money

This, the only logical choice would be not working in that field at all.

>videogame companies are LITERALLY hentai animations where girls join and get "broken" into submissive rapesluts
where can i go join one as a girl

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Nothing bad is happening to me user, the industry isn't as bad as people pretend it is. Most of those "MUH WORK CONDITIONS" posts come from the fact that a lot of game devs are whiny faggots living in California.

See
>Could have had a Toby fox ost for starbound

My university made it clear that you should NEVER EVER take an unpaid internship. My junior seminar had an entire hour lecture with statistics detailing how unpaid internships had no discernable advantage over no internship at getting you a real job out of school.

>suddenly all those scrawny pencilnecks beta orbiters that are indie and normal devs aren't sucking the farts out of your ass to court you so they start harassing you
Why that is totally believable.

i'm sure chuck is wiping his tears with your money
LMAO

If it didn't, it's because you failed at least one of those. Maybe some introspection wouldn't hurt.

>asking for your paycheck is being a good goyim

post tits
learn to code / draw
network

After seeing the result I wouldn't have paid "him" either

Benefit from nepotism, that's what our economy is based on. Don't let anyone tell you it's about "hard work" because they're full of shit.

but that's too hard
i just want to be a sex toy

"i was sixteen." being in its own paragraph is entirely unnecessary dude, it's over-dramatic formatting

Lads, seriously, why are all these people trannies or women? You never see men talking about problems in the game industry?

Are women just fucking IDIOTS with no better judgement?

Nepotism already excludes most people here, since they are too autistic to make connections.

Imagine getting triggered by inoffensive formatting

I see men talking about it all the time. YOU only see women and trannies because you experience culture exclusively through outrage posting on Yea Forums, you massive faggot.

>the bad posts on this account are all me, tho
When will these retards realize that putting "my opinions are my own" in their Twitter bios doesn't mean anything, and that their behavior on social media is still reflective upon their employers?

university to industry graduate pipeline
except it doesn't really exist when it come game dev I guess and you would have to go to a university that actually has it

jokes on you, my mom and dad are both doctors and for some reason doctors are like a massive clan that spans the entire country and have connections on all other fields

>Nothing bad is happening to me user
You say that, but you worked for 1.5 years in indies for absolutely no money at all. Your mind is warped with stockholm syndrome if you managed to convince yourself that this is not something bad, or it's okay because it isn't happening to you anymore. You are the definition of a cuck. You are the limpest dicked spineless mollusk in the entire thread by far.

Men kind of like crunch to be honest. It's pretty cool when everyone comes together to overcome a huge hurdle and you achieve something you never thought you could achieve. Work life balance is for women and faggots

most people whining about unionization are non essentials like PR and "social interaction ""engineers""" who want easy money for shitposting.

Because men realize that if they got duped, it was their own damn fault and either keep silent about it or quietly blow their brains out.

>he gets off on making them uncomfortable in front of people
I can't blame him, I also love doing that.

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BTFO

One would think he learned a valuable life lesson, but something tells me he didn't.

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good goyim, while you're employed by us you're no longer allowed to be an individual with your own opinions
Everything controversial or problematic about you must be sanitized

fuck off retard, no one actually hires off those virtues anymore. they just immediately redirect you to their form or online application. welcome to 2019.

>you worked for 1.5 years in indies for absolutely no money at all
I would have to do that in literally any industry. It's not great, but again, what is the alternative?

You forget option 3. The man learns from his mistake and grows stronger.

Imagine not being a fucking retard

The first question out of your mouth in this scenario is always "how much is my time worth?" In ANY project. You should always know how much you're making either up front or at the back end. You can't just stand around, wait for everybody to get theirs and then ask where your piece is.

>go into medicine
>get experience during uni because basically 90% of classes are in hospital
>get scholarship so literally paid to study
>even if you fluke out with the worst grades possible you're still gonna get hired immediately after
I'm glad I dropped out of engineering after first year. To think I almost got baited by the adds offering shitton of money fresh from uni.

when a girl does it's FUN and QUIRKY like that one bitch in Parks and Recreations
when a man dose it it's CREEPY and RAPEY

>I would have to do that in literally any industry.
user...

This, men thrive and enjoy working more that others, especially if they see their workmates go at it as much as they do. It's why men are easily capable of working for up to 14-16 hours a day, rather than a measly 8 or 9. They are built for this.

Somehle didnt realize that his work was unpaid in "hundreds of hours" of work
Why do we let stupid people live?

Reminds me of moderators on other sites(remember that shit?) As a kid it seemed cool to be one but as an adult, fucking doing anything for free.

Meanwhile

>doesn't even log in to patreon for 2 years
>still gets pic related

amazing

teach me this skill senpai

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Uh oh. I smell a class action lawsuit coming.

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are unpaid interships a meme? i wanted to get one at failbetter games to fix their shitty games

it's called "breast-fu"

>Scambound
>Cuckfish
Fuck Cuckfish and every single game they touch.

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If men aren't complaining about issues someone else is when it affects everyone, I don't think it's the women who are the dumb ones

troons hate women so much that they always represent them as creatures with a complete lack of agency

>fill their studio with young women

fucking lol

Because everyone at some point in their life needed a doctor. So that ceo your parents know, maybe he had some pain in his knee and they helped him out.

>I did get some form of compensation
Dude shot himself in the foot if he wanted to go the legal avenue then. Never admit you got anything.

>forced
Yeah, I don't buy it. Just tell them no, dont hang out with them after hours, tell them to fuck off, or dish it out. This is what men do. Seems like some women cant handle working with men, instead they come in and demand concessions. I wonder why women are being shunned in the workplace?

They do, maybe you should try it instead of being in your basement all the time.

>hundreds of hours
>little personal website pretty much mentions "narrative design" being the vast majority of the work, seemingly no coding bar on little dinky side project

What even is that?

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That's the wonderful thing about a lot of scholarly pursuits is they usually bake in the internship side of things with the program. Law is similar.

I think that one backfired, my precious brainlet.

Some industries you have to bite the bullet and go unpaid because nobody will hire anybody without experience. If you do intern, MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE that you have documentation that backs up the fact that you were at some company doing an internship. Only a retard works for free, that documentation that proves you put in the hours is your payment. Don't be like

No, they don't

That's because as a kid, moderation means you get to delete posts you don't like, mute, kick or ban people you don't like, and people respect your power and you can do whatever you want while others can't.
As an adult, it's pretty much the same so I'm fine with doing it. It's the same shit I would be doing anyway with the added benefit if being able to fuck with other people.

Maybe autistic. I see your point now. I actually didn’t much pay attention to the content of the screencap.

They are doing this for attention I think. Any lawyer would have told them to shut the fuck up straight away.

Just about anywhere you go until you're established people will try and fuck your ass and tell you it's to give you "experience." A lot of entry level jobs are for a bachelor's degree now. They want you to be miserable your whole life and grind out that optimistic mindset early so you can just give up and die as a cig in their machine.

what does she mean by "forced to answer"

They'll need to prove they were employees and not contractors/volunteers.

Indie is far too wide and board for any "scene implosion" to have actual consequences to the "genre" as a whole. Too decentralized. Certain twitter groups are perpetually imploding and recently its been the topic of indie devs.

He (maybe?) could probably be taken a little more seriously if he'd take the trans shit off his name.

>>doesn't even log in to patreon for 2 years
>>still gets pic related
>amazing
>teach me this skill senpai
Serious answer user, because this a serious thing not a OH DEM WOMANZ thing, what you see, that right fucking there, is why everyone from big corporations on down is pushing so hard for subscriptions everywhere. The average from your pic is like $3/month/person, of course probably skewed by a few high ones so it's even lower regularly. It's been repeatedly proven that tons and tons of people simply will not notice that kind of ongoing trickle charge, or even if they do won't really internalize it as important in the same way they would if they saw "$36/year" or "$360/decade" even. Despite those obviously being the same numbers, it's the way psychology works, in the same way that so many places push for $49.99 instead of $50.

It's scum behavior but it works and is why if you aren't ultra disciplined about monthly reviews you should be really, really careful about subscribing to stuff. It's very easy to end up overpaying. If you get a large number of people to subscribe to you for a tiny little bit, odds are decent that a fair percent will leave it on there for years even if they never use it.

If she didn't answer, they would push the anal bead in another lump.

>all these screencaps mentioning being 15, 16 etc. when starting

How did these kids get to work on projects like this that young? Lying?

Then again I guess the sprite work isn't exactly masterful so it wouldn't be far fetched

>I would have to do that in literally any industry. It's not great, but again, what is the alternative?

user your mind really is fucked. t. CS major who got a job straight out of college and never did shit for free after college

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Company likely advertised the jobs online and aimed them at places young geeks frequent. After getting the applicants they chose people who were young enough to legally exploit and dumb enough to sign all the needed paperwork to make it above board.

user, you got screwed, it's that simple. It's not standard by any means. There are industries where it may be worth doing unpaid internship to get into, but vidya is most definitelyy not one of those, especially not 1.5 years of it. You fucked up.

>trans
Into the trash it goes.

>he *really* did not like guns
>>who cares about guns, guns are boring
S O Y overdose

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I've found that some people enjoy creating scenarios where they are helpless because it takes responsibility away from them.
She probably thought that saying something like "I'm not comfortable answering that" meant that the dude would ring up the Male Videogame Clan phone number and get her bloodline blacklisted from videogames until the end of time, which is completely irrational and stupid, but at the same time makes her feel like she has fewer choices to make, which makes these kind of people feel more secure.

Probably not. It was a volunteer thing with credits in return. I doubt chucklefuck thought anyone would put in "hundreds of hours" but they're a mentally ill tranny. Even then, there are over 17000 hours in 2 years. He'd had to have put in more than 1000 to be even an appreciable amount of his time and it's more likely he just did a few hours every week

Shit, I'm a music major and I never worked for free out of college.

my dad bought some yogurts that look strangely like the onions bottles
what should i do lads

volunteer work knows no age
these idiots spent their adolescence on the chucklefish forums, made some fanart, and wound up getting their sprites into the game, rinse and repeat

>and dumb enough to sign all the needed paperwork to make it above board.
Minors cant make contracts in most places

here's your paperwork bro

>starbound forum
>starbound fanart thread
>"hey look at the stuff i made i wish it made it into the game i wonder what part of 2015 will the game release in"

If you can't figure out how to side step that kinda thing then you don't belong in HR.

didn't she get like 80k for a game that has been abandoned since like 2017?

Really is curious how unpaid internships are legal, and how a consequence of this unpaid labor being legal under some circumstances is that there are now a number of industries where you are basically required to perform unpaid labor for a set amount of time before you overcome a barrier to entry and are seriously considered for employment.
It's almost like unpaid internships are presented as an optional contract between consenting parties for mutual benefit but in reality are a massive scam by corporate entities to milk free labor out of naive young people.
It's fucking mind boggling that not paying your interns isn't just as illegal as not paying any other employee.

A lot of indie devs scout teens on art/music/social sites to "earn experience".

>indie sprite labor dirt cheap
>get offered unpaid gig
>if you demand payment they will just turn you down and take the next shmuck that will do it for free
>get actual, literal exposure and work experience
>all your portfolio work is thrown down the drain now because no company will ever fucking hire somebody who backstabs a previous company like this
If getting paid for his sprite labor was so easy, he should've just done that. The fact that he didn't or couldn't is practically basic economics. These highly competitive fields always have young people working for free, whether through college or interning similar to this (though this wouldn't legally classify internship). This is practically unavoidable simply on the basis that the inexperienced are actually willing to work for free. The best way to solve this problem is for less people to become sprite artists, so that they are more scarce and valued more. That will never fucking happen, and this kid is a shmuck for painting a very basic corporate man bad meme. If you have the fucking privilege to demand pay, you would do it. The only reason he didn't was because he didn't have that leverage, not because he was young and stupid.

Yeah I guess that is the case too. Spoony still gets almost 500

>hey guys thanks for developing my game listen I'm moving the entire operation to London now I know I haven't paid you yet but listen you can TOTALLY keep your jobs AND get paid but you to uproot your entire lives and move to London with us on your own dime otherwise you're fired :^)

say what you want about Chucklefish but Tiy is a savvy motherfucker, look at how he duped that retard who made Stardew Valley into letting Chucklefish publish him, he won over a ton of goodwill from dumb normies who thought "oh hey Stardew sounds like Starbound I guess Chucklefish is pretty good"

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>sign all the needed paperwork
you don't need to sign any paperwork to do unpaid volunteer work

Honest question, were these people actually employed or just random assholes on their community forums making content hoping to be hired?

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>Really is curious how unpaid internships are legal
Idk about European countries (but it's probably more intense), but in the US companies have to work out their ass to provide constant evidence and proof that the intern is not directly contributing to company profits in the way a paid employee would.

Because it works under the basis that they are training you and you are paying for that training with your work. So when you leave, you can rightfully claim that you have work experience.

>These highly competitive fields always have young people working for free
They don't actually
Nobody approaching competent works for free in gamedev. These guys got away with it because Starbound is a famous game, so they recruited fans to work for free

From what I've read, the latter.

>people sucking corporate dick just because a twitter tranny gets btfo

Thats the issue with internships. Although to be fair the VAST majority of internships are paid.

Starbound had a shit ton of hype at the time and a lot of people saw working on it, even for free, as a great opportunity. I mean, we know how it all played out now, but I don't really blame them. They thought they were getting in on the ground floor of something like Terraria.

I wondered about the same thing when I first encountered one 10 years ago, wondering why the hell would anybody ever take it and work for free for any amount of time. Then again, people were probably taking it so... I still think those who take unpaid internship are idiots.

>the inexperienced are willing to work for free
Wrong. They're forced to work for free because nobody will hire them due to their lack of "experience", despite the quality of their work being undeniably worth paying for.

i'm not sucking any dick
i'm just keking at a tranny getting btfo

>agree to work for free
>act surprised you worked for free
Literally nothing to do with sucking off corporate. That guy was just retarded and he deserve what happened to him.

>trans flag
>twitter user
>tumblr cartoon art style avatar
>gender pronouns in twitter bio

Yeah, this is another scam. This kid is trying to gain sympathy and attention in order to gain more influence and money.

Looks like a 1:1 clone of the same two mentally ill SJWs who made that shit up about Projared.

nobody presented anything to these people

a bunch of gullible fucks took mommy's credit card to back the NEW 2D minecraft in SPAAAACE, got obsessed with it on the forums, made a bunch of assets for 'fun', got them put in the game, and that dopamine rush of "omg the devs talked to me and liked my work" causes them to do it more, like a loser donating to a streamer

chucklefucks don't have half the brain cells required to maliciously target and exploit people. idiots flocked to them in droves.

the only one with a case so far is toby fox and he dgaf beyond helping to stir shit. starbound had (and still has a bunch) of rabid, unapologetic fanboys willing to say or do anything

these few people whining grew up and realized that whining is the soup of the day and are hoping for patreonbux or some kind of gofundme bleeding heart campaign to pay them 'what they're owed' or some shi
fuck this world and it's inhabitants

>doing any sort of labor without making a contract stating you will get paid with hugs and kissies first
What an idiot.

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>get job with the understanding that you're not to be paid
>don't get paid
>???
>no profit
So the kid is dumb but that's a given, and chucklefuck have been jewish since their inception- what do you want me to feel here? you're not pushing any new narrative or adding any fuel to the fire. I already hate both of these parties, most of us do. Aren't you just really, desperately, trying to find something to be outraged at?

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>didn't she get like 80k for a game that has been abandoned since like 2017?
Dunno, don't follow thots, but if she got a ton of subs back a ways and then it was only officially abandoned in 2017 numbers might still look like that. Dropoff rates can be interesting sometimes from a distance.

>Yeah I guess that is the case too. Spoony still gets almost 500
Right, sometimes you can literally tell when a bunch of credit cards rolled over or got cancelled and the sub finally stopped because the numbers plummet all at once on a specific month/day. Course a lot of cards will cheerfully roll subs right over forever so it can go until somebody literally dies or something.

Also why the elderly are targeted by so many filthy animal scammers, they literally have memory trouble so are even more likely to just leave things until they kick the bucket.

Yeah, on you!

Bullshit, it's because they are not capable of being presentable before their possible employer and they can feel that from miles away. Bootstraps or fuck off.

>offer your skills and time for zero compensation
>surprised when you recieve zero compensation

You're only supporting my argument. The fact that this is a famous game means it is very highly valued by these young artists, thus they can literally get people to work for them for free. There is no actual exploitation occuring in an exchange like this(assuming chuckefish never lied). The legality might be debatable, but you're somehow suggesting that the leverage of the game being famous is in itself not the literal reason the sprite artists value it so much.

>he actually unironically thinks that meme is real

i don't
i just wanted to get some (You)s

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Sorry for not feeling sorry for somebody who lacks understanding of personal responsibility. At every stage of the situation it was always that guy's fault.

Okay but out here in the real fucking world where we don't lick boots all day, your company pays you for the work you do. Even if they put you in some kind of formal training program, which is explicitly not the case for many unpaid internships where you just end up being the office coffee bitch for free, you still get paid for you labor like a human being.

sdv dev is a poor sap
>gets absorbed into chucklefuck so they can leech of his game's popularity
>they convince him to do console ports for MORE MONEY
>half the ports have tons of issues getting MP added
>they ditch him
>his porting team is absolute ass (woah wait we had to write code to access the friends list?)
>he has to hold back the next pc patch to placate the angry ps4/xbone players who bought the game for multiplayer and have been waiting a year and a half
>last news a month ago was "more issues with the port certification lol"

Because they're too cucked to ask for a fucking paycheck in exchange for labor

the latter 110%
these people paid for the game to be made ahead of time via kickstarter so they figured why not help the process along

18+ and still doesn't know to capitalize his I's.

I'd agree with you if I was working on a project I actually cared about. If I'm stuck making shitty business apps all day with no real deadline you best believe I'm only going to put in my 9-5

He's a commie. They hate capitalization.

>all the retards itt implying these people agreed to work for free
Why? No internship, even paid, is going to make you work 100 hrs. You might get 40 hrs at most.

The reality is far more laughable in this case though. These fucking idiots were just posting fanart on the forums and chucklefish put them in the game. Thats it. Chucklefish wasnt slaving 15 year old kids and "taking advantage of their passion". Also what does this mean?
>i worked hundreds of hours
Hundreds of hours over 2 fucking years is nothing. Unless he is trying to imply in a week? But again I call bullshit on that unless he dropped out of school.

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Go for a normal software development job. Then move into games if that's your passion.

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>despite the quality of their work being undeniably worth paying for.
If it was, it would be. This is the function of free labor market. The merit of one's own ethics and talents are meaningless to the relative value of one's own labor. If the artist is easily replacable, he will and can be easily replaced. If the artist demands pay, and another artist of similar caliber is willing to work for free, companies will take the one that will work for free. This is how this labor markets work, you fool. Literally none of this is a product of contrivance, it is people operating under trade offs and incentives. The very fact that any exchange takes place at all, regardless of whether it was paid or free, indicates both parties benefitted. Cucks like the OP only seek to force minimum standards so that eventually exchanges like this just won't take place at all. If a law were passed, citing that every sprite artist must be paid a minimum amount for each gig, places like chucklefish would never take on these young and inexperienced people. If anything, chucklefish ought to be the very savior of the exact shit circumstances you are describing. Allowing for low valued people to work is the only way that they can build themselves up out of that low level.

Take the neetpill user, slaving away for someone else for 50 years is no way to live.

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anyone unforfunate enough to spend time on chucklefuck forums knows that the fanbase would have donated their organs to the devs, no stringa attached, if they thought starbound would release ten minutes sooner

>It's fucking mind boggling that not paying your interns isn't just as illegal as not paying any other employee.
depending on the country unpaid internships can be in fact illegal
and then you get even small business owners bitching about it because they are forced to train their employees

I think it's the opposite, what happened was legal, but not moral
It's not moral to exploit gullible children

>zero scandals
>doesn't engage in SJW nonsense on Twitter
>still updating Stardew Valley 3 years later
>still humble and grateful despite making 30 million dollars

Based ConcernedApe

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You are delusional if you think men actually enjoy this shit.. Unless its something like this user said but id willing to bet that passion for the project would burn out quickly.

>get contacts bruh
I don't get it.
Is glasses simply not good enough?
People prefer you to wear contacts nowadays?

I like paying rent.

I literally can't think of how bad the Starbound code must be if a game this pixelated lags so hard, fuck, even 1.3 Terraria's decompiled code turned out to have had like more than fourty fucking ORs in one string and a huge amount of else if in a single file, it's a god-class anti-pattern

i like the stringa
in the moon-a and the june-a and the spring-a

>lgbt something flag

Okay now this is epic

>no scandals
idk if its a scandal but he's feeling serious heat these days

Now do that routine in a Jerry Lewis voice and you'll get hired because you're obviously one of the Chosen folk.

Oh look, it's another episode of "Yea Forums sides with the kike"
We really like the taste of boots here, yummy

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Twitter kids never take legal action because they know it will get laughed out of court. What they want to do is raise a mole out of an anthill so the public will force whoever they have a grudge against to never show their face again, it's actually fucking scary the trend these guys are setting. We're reaching a point where the government doesn't even need to start a dictatorship all they gotta do is pretend to be some disgruntled tranny on twitter speak out against whoever they deem as a threat then BAM the public will gang up on them making anyone else fear such an opinion is wrongthink and their lives will be ruined for saying so.

>, even 1.3 Terraria's decompiled code turned out to have had like more than fourty fucking ORs in one string and a huge amount of else if in a single file
fucking king of mount stupid right here
you think ors and else ifs run slowly? they're elemental operations of a computer. It does billions of them a second

why would you actively signal your genetic physical ineptitude to the world

>inferior Terraria clone
How's it inferior?
It has plenty of superior aspects.
Better biomes.
Better ocean.
Better blocks.
Better NPC and AI system.
Better underworld exploration.
Galaxy system is way better than creating new
maps in Terraria like an idiot to farm and shit.
Better space.

Shittier crafting item quantity, too much dependence on RNG crates.
Shittier bosses.
Shittier underworld.
Shittier fishing.
Lack of spaceship design choice regardless of race is a negative, and if there were angled blocks as a universal formula it'd be more fun to actually build your own ship block by block while the game auto-fills the inbetween.
Lack of angle blocks for that smooth building.
Lack of planet invasions.

I'd actually have no moral opposition to taking the neet pill like most of the people in this thread I assume, but I like being able to afford proper food, clothes, and buy anything I want for my hobby. Something that being a neet won't allow me.

It's side with the cock cutter or the cock trimmer.

both sides are whiny pissants dickface
personally nobody should have received a cent for shitting out starbound

What scandals has he been involved in?

Optimization is important on the long run

Fact of the matter is most internships these days are paid. Definitely the ones that are going to give you valuable experience in a future job hunt. Whats more valuable? The unpaid internship where you made sure everyone had the correct coffee, or the paid internship where you actually contributed to the company in some form.

the "kikes" are the reason you are allowed to be a neet who loves to suck marx's cock yet he never worked a day in his worthless life

Better than my experience as an unpaid intern (at least in my point of view). At least the guy probably got practical work experience while all I did was do coffee and lunch runs.

Did you read my post? There's nothing slow about it

I haven't played terraria or starbound, but isn't starbound based on travelling to different planets, rendering the building part of the game meaningless because why the fuck would you build anything at a planet you are going to leave anyway?

Yes, and?

they want a gofundme
>pay the starbound contributors what they're owed!
>56,782/20,000 donated
>chucklefuck roaring in laughter as the community made assets for your game they paid for, and then the community paid those people for you

Starbound fucking sucked the dev deserved jail time. Not payment.

You're an idiot if you think otherwise. Men enjoy working and will actively work more at any given opportunity. Leaving that untapped signals you're either a poor manager or a woman.

And I said Starbound code must be atrocious if the aforementioned is Terraria code, because Terraria runs far better than Starbound. Starbound struggles even on high-end specs

read my whole post and the one i linked you mental midget

Chucklefuck probably doesnt care because they would have never had to pay these people anyway.

And there's nothing wrong with the Terraria code you dumbass

>sides with kike
I'm siding with a kike either way.
Terraria Kikes have been procastrinating and doing fuckall for 5 years of the entire game's lifespan. 90% of its content was done within 3 years added up.
Now they abandoned Terraria Otherworld and Terraria 2 will come out when Half Life 2 Episode 3 does.

No. You can built your own capital city planet which can house as many NPC's as you make rooms, filling her up with thousands.
In a way the lore incentivizes you to build a new Earth for Humanity, and i personally do it on a Volcanic Planet where Humanity truly belongs.

You're still claiming that ifelse and or statements are slow
They're not, lots of them can be bad for code readability, modularity and such but the compiled code doesn't give a shit about that

>mfw in america people now literally pay to get an unpaid internship

You're full of it. Many industries require an arbitrary amount of "experience" on paper to even be considered regardless of presentation or work ethic.
There's no such thing as "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps", it's a paradox, a physical impossibility, it's the perfect fucking analogy for this situation where your only ways to get somewhere may be either nepotism or working for free. You either cheat or get cheated, there is no honesty.
You can't justify literally not paying people for their labor you boot licking nigger.

>if it was, it would be
Well it obviously is worth paying for, considering chucklefuck put it in the final fucking game instead of paying someone else to make the actual assets.
>willing to work for free
Funny how you completely ignore the fact that nobody is EVER 'willing' to work for free. Unpaid labor is ALWAYS an unfavorable situation one is forced into through obligation or through circumstance. There is no labor a company would have you do that is not worth being paid for, unpaid labor is always be definition an affront to the rights of the laborer.

The existence of markets which do not value labor isn't a justification of the perpetuation of those markets.
If your business can't get by while actually paying your contributiors for the labor that they provide, you shouldn't have a fucking business. Subsisting on the exploitation of laborers and on other forms of corporate welfare makes you a societal leech on a scale far bigger than any transsexual hormone goblin who wants to get paid for the pretentious pixel bullshit they draw.

A tranny on twitter said it, it must be true.

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>nobody is EVER 'willing' to work for free
go read the starbound forums RIGHT NOW
people there are saying they'd LOVE to work for free just for the personal satisfaction of knowing they worked on their FAVOURITE video game

>chucklefuck put them in the game
Should have paid for that art, then.

>You can't justify literally not paying people for their labor you boot licking nigger.
If they are stupid, they do not deserve to be paid. Would you just freely throw your money away on people with whom you agreed not to pay?
>There's no such thing as "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps", it's a paradox, a physical impossibility
That's because you never tried it, you just want to be coddled and accepted without actually putting the work in.

It's not crazy to think people can have something they feel passion over long enough to make something of value. Like it or not Undertale for instance I'd put in that category, and if I was making something I cared for enough like Toby did for Undertale that I'd lose track of time and easily put in more than the minimum. But odds are I'd be doing it because it's my own project too, not because I was recruited or working for someone else.

Zoomers don't understand or are good at networking. If I'm a boss and need to hire an employee, chances are I'm going to hire someone I know even just a little over a perfect stranger.

Especially if they've got great tits.

No YOU are an idiot who I assume has actually never worked long hours in his life. Maybe hasnt worked in his life period. I work in the O&G industry. I am surrounded by MEN working at minimum 12 hour days. And i dont know single person who likes it outside of the money. Its fucking miserable going home after a hitch and basically spending all your freetime taking care of whatever shit is needing to be done on your few days off before you start it right back up again. People value having free time they can spend doing whatever they want
>men will actively work more at any opprotunity
Again WRONG. the hardest thing out here is trying to get someone to cover a hitch for you. Because they have already been out there so long.

>tl;dr
You are wrong stop pretending like you know anything.

The point of working free is to work 6 months to a year at a good place and learning all the ropes, and then bailing out and seeking paid employment now that you have experience and something to stuff on the CV. The only important part is to write a contract validating that you worked there, voluntary or internship contract.

Business owners will bitch about everything the have to do all the way down to not being able to own slaves anymore, if you've ever worked in food service you know just how often (((someone))) will try to get away with not paying your for days you were called in or with confiscating your tips.

>It's not moral to exploit gullible children
I agree, but you're mincing words here. If they lied, that certainly isn't fair. The reality is that children can't fucking get employed as artists anywhere, and chuckeflish offered them work without pay, which they took, indicating that they believed they would gain from it. If chuckelfish somehow prevented the artist from leaving, spoke badly about them to other companies, or misled the artist into an unintended agreement with them, they would certainly be exploiters. The reality is that artists under 18 do not get employed unless they are of exceptional caliber, because they represent incredible risk to employment because of their age. Chuckelfish offering opportunities to these kids is a good thing. If they truly had alternatives, they likely would have gone to them. I do not see many companies putting kids on salaries at this age, so I would assume there really isn't much opportunity. Either that, or the simple prestige/popularity of chucklefish was worth enough to trade for pay. The guy in OP is simply coming to the realization that he is now more valuable than he was when he was 16, partly because he is older, has more experience, and has a portfolio of fucking hundreds of starbound sprites. If he would go back in time, prevent himself from taking this opportunity, he likely would've never found paid employment in that age of 16-18, and he would lose many of the things that make him so much more valuable and more secure for paid employment. The reality of artists being willing to work for free is not a product of corporate exploitation, it is a product of talented artists competing with other talented artists for work.

>highest field level manager of my department gives a dead fish handshake

Is this intentional disrespect towards me (not worthy of a firm shake) or do firm handshakes really not matter? Maybe he quit caring?

this shit right here is what separates cruft from men who actually have potential

if you mean general labor type shit its just nepotism and people's impressions. a lot of people will give you a chance based on looks if you give off a good vibe like you're not some useless piece of shit

This. Women know not to do anything for free

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Did starboy even hire these people or just use their assets after the trannies freely offered them? He might be a cunt but he didn't break the law if the trannies literally did it for free

That's definitely a good thing, but you still have people defending the practice of unpaid internships as if it's just 'stupid people who should just ask for paycheck and not be stupid lol' rather than the bullshit scam that it actually is.
Rights for workers is something that workers as a whole constantly have to keep fighting for,
because the suits, both public and private, are always looking for a way to systematically fuck you over and make everyone think it's not their fault.

Literally just work retail, I got my first job with a paid internship and retail experience on my resume

Based Frederica

If people were smart they'd not take unpaid internships and devalue labor for EVERYONE ELSE. The problem is literal cuckolds are taking those jobs instead of seeing them as the scam they are

>tranny flag in username
i don't even need to read its post to know it makes poor life decisions

Yeah i get that. I am just guessing, since ive never worked on something on truly passionate about. But id still imagine long 80 hour weeks and shit would make that passion diminish over an extended period of time.

Also when its your own project, like in your example. Its a bit different. Like you are putting alot of time in, but you are working kind of at your own pace and on your own schedule. And while there are some weeks where they put a ton of time in, i bet there are also some where they dont work all that much or more than usual. Either way I cant speak on this sort of stuff from experience. What i do know is that other user is full of fucking shit just claiming men like to work long hours just for the hell of it.

16 year olds are allowed to be employed
I had a job as a video game artist when I was 16 (paid), and I'm not amazing. It's got nothing to do with their being no opportunties, these guys were probably dumbass fans of the game who agreed to work for free. Which is immoral and exploitative from the people at Chucklefish. But also stupid from the kid who agreed to work for free, the whole "throw a twitter tantrum about something stupid I did in the past and pretend it was entirely the other persons fault and I'm the victim" is incredibly immature. You don't need to work for free to make a portfolio. You can make a portfolio on your own time

Being a victim grants you huge social esteem and attention so a whole bunch of people are post rationalising benign interactions as predatory. Everyone is so desperate to elevate themselves that no one deliberates and just condemns them for their own self righteousness.

>Well it obviously is worth paying for, considering chucklefuck put it in the final fucking game instead of paying someone else to make the actual assets.
I don't understand how you think this supports your point that it was worth paying for. If it can be done for free at an high caliber, it is not worth paying for, regardless of the caliber. The only value an employee has is his own productivity related to his peers. So long as there are artists willing to work for free, that reality will be leveraged by businesses, or they will simply not give work to kids, ever, as is the case with most companies, because they represent risk.
>Funny how you completely ignore the fact that nobody is EVER 'willing' to work for free.
Isn't this what the OP was about? Somebody worked for free when they were younger. Of course unpaid labor is generally unfavorable to paid labor. The question is whether unpaid labor is preferable to no labor.

>That's definitely a good thing, but you still have people defending the practice of unpaid internships as if it's just 'stupid people who should just ask for paycheck and not be stupid lol' rather than the bullshit scam that it actually is.
Stop being overly dramatic you fucking retard. Nobody every forces you, you are not ever foced to take any kind of unpaid internship. You are wrong if you think it's mandatory. The problem is in your head.

>they do not deserve to be paid
>you've just never tried the literally impossible action of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps that I use as an analogy for economic success
I can smell the boot polish on your breath from here, nigger.

Just join tinder.

Ah, a fellow Patrician.

I make more money a month than these unpaid interns ever do for all their work on games ever.

Living the Dream

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This.
I did an internship as well, and it definitely got me my first job out of college (actually had a recruiter find me saying they thought I'd be a good fit based in my experience)
But no way in hell would I do an unpaid one, not only does it mean you get no compensation, but it means your employer feels no pressure to ensure the work you're doing is actually useful to the company. What's the point if spending a year working for a software dev firm if all that you actually do is act as everyone's coffee bitch?

Really? I see a lot of "musicians" offer free music for devs to put in their game moreso than any other discipline.

Always generic trash though so I guess that explains it. Nobody will pay them.

I agree. My point is, that if these kids had opportunities for work more valuable than chucklefish, they would've done it. Take into consideration, how kne might choose to work for a massive company for little to no pay, versus working for a small company for standard pay, even if it is the same work. This reality is not exploitation, assuming the employee is not lied to or misled. If the kids choose to work for big company for nothing instead of searching for a smaller paid gig, that is their choice, regardless of whether they had gigs lined up or not. The fact that they are free to choose between labor, no labor, or searching for alternative labor is the literal ideal circumstance for their position. If those kids who did work for chucklefish were offered that position you had, they may very well have still chosen to work for chucklefish. This is not being they were exploited, but because they believe chucklefish to be more valuable. The fact that they are free to make this choice is precisely what more young professionals need.

Unpaid internships are always clearly stated to be UNPAID internships, anyone who agrees to be an unpaid intern consents to it and is socially responsible for not getting paid.
If anything they should be paying the business for the internship, the business are taking a risk by letting these inexperienced kids into their work environment where they can do harm from their inexperience.

Yeah and if you actually make them work without compensation they'll come back to you when they're adults and say "What the fuck why didn't you pay me for all that work" like what is happening now because they're literal children and we legislate child labor and child autonomy for a reason.
They're only even 'willing' to work for free in the first place because it has, to the benefit of (((somebody))), become basically a standard that 'if you draw a thing for us and we use it in the game we won't pay you'.
If it wasn't already a foregone conclusion that, for (((some reason))), you don't get paid as a contributor in this situation, then there would be a massive outrage over it.

Good old nepotism

The musicians are doing it because they need publicity/fame, at least I'd assume they'd never let you use their music without clear accreditation. I remember a shit unity game on steam for free that was literally just a toribash clone made to sell the OST and shill the guys Soundcloud

Can't wait until the commissars are showing up at your door

>working at 16 on a video game
every day i feel more and more useless and talentless

This, artists fall for it all the time.

Pretty based, not gonna lie. Care to explain how to a wagie who just got fucking fired and doesn't want to go back?

Maybe it's because music is actual art with actual artists that just want people to experience what they've made, and don't just do it because they expect to live like rockstars because they can play 4 chords in succession

I agreed with you up until this bit
>If anything they should be paying the business for the internship, the business are taking a risk by letting these inexperienced kids into their work environment where they can do harm from their inexperience.
Seriously what the fuck? Why be this much of a bootlicker? The business is getting a worker for fucking free. Is that not essentially them getting "paid"? At the very least is it not the companies responsibility to give tasks they know the intern can handle and minimize risk?

This wasn't a fucking internship dude
They don't GAIN anything from working for Chucklefish for free, and they don't consider it a strategic career choice, they're doing it because they want to work on their favourite game
You are looking at this through the perspective of normal jobs and careers, this is different, it's fan exploitation

just get married, my wife makes me treat her like shit in bed, i gotta do it bc i love her lel

It's okay, at least you didn't build it all up just to throw it away by badmouthing your previous employer for brief free internet points.

If you just got fired file for unemployment. It will give you some income for nothing for a little while

at least you are not a retard who did it for free and then crying later about it on twitter

there is always someone worse off

They get work experience out of it, people usually pay for knowledge, the company is burdened by the responsibility of managing the intern and the work these interns do aren't worth much because they're idiots.

I was about to make a post like this but then I realized that guy was probably trolling and false-flagging from the beginning and only that part gave it away to me.

>Flag
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>They get work experience out of it
It doesn't work like that for video game artists. They get work experience doing it on their own. They're barely getting anything out of being there, working for free on Chucklefuck's game

>If it was, it would be.
Actual pro artists get the 'exposure' shit all the time. Like, people who've worked on big budget productions. Business owners don't like spending money.

THEY
THEM

Okay so if the work the intern is doing isnt worth much, then there isnt much to manage and knowledge gained is likewise not worth much.

They're getting exposure aren't they?
The popularity of the game helps put their name out there so they can get better jobs since employers will see they're a part of a successful game.

I know that much, I was thinking of a more long-term. Is it having mental illness? Because I'm pretty sure I have legit autism, how much can I make off of that?

The degenerate literally just wrote a bit of fluff text that wasn't even used in the end.

It's not worth much to the business but it's worth more to the intern.

>They're getting exposure aren't they?
Lol no
You hire artists based on their ability alone
"Exposure" is not a thing. It's not the music industry

I like how you're putting the blame on the people trying to get ahead in life through the only avenues they have, and not on the societal leeches in their ivory towers creating and perpetuating the status quo where they get to milk free labor out of people who are made to feel like they have no other option.
It's the people's fault for being stupid, not the fault of those at the top for being manipulative and exploitative and orchestrating the entire situation in their own favor. Totally.

>nobody ever forces you to take an unpaid internship
>you are wrong if you think it's mandatory
Unless you benefit from nepotism, you may find that an unpaid internship is your only option.

>They don't GAIN anything from working for Chucklefish for free
Then why would they do it?
>they're doing it because they want to work on their favourite game
So they do have something to gain then. They get to work on their favorite game. I don't understand how you don't see that this what they gain. You practically contradicted yourself in the same sentence.
>You are looking at this through the perspective of normal jobs and careers, this is different, it's fan exploitation
It is not. If those 16 yesr olds had reasonable opportunity elsewhere, more vlaued than working on their FAVORITE game, they could've done that. I would fucking LOVE to work at a company like Lionhead when I was younger, and I'd show up for free if they'd bother having me. This reality is not exploitation on the side of the employer. I am not being brainwashed into being willing to work for Lionhead for free. It is my own value judgement of that opportunity.

It's never your only option, it's something you are telling yourself. You are not forced to work in that industry if seriously that's the only way you see getting in.

No it’s just the typical California based shitflinging that happens in every circle based in the west

just lie on your cv wtf??

Did that person agree to work for free?

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>anybody who agrees consents to it
Ah yes, creating a situation where in order to work for money you require that people work for free first is totally fair and balanced.
It's totally not coercive to manipulatively and exploitatively milk free labor out of people who are made to feel like they have no other option if they want to succeed.

Fuck off you boot licking faggot

You need to go to a shrink and get diagnosed as bipolar and agorophobia since having those two conditions are considered instant approval.

Then you apply for social security and list your diagnosis. They'll want to schedule an evaluation by their shrinks so just go to that and bomb their tests and interview on purpose.

I applied myself and it took 4 months.

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Honestly im not entirely sure. Im not neet. But from what i gather most neets who actually live off their government gibs get by because they have some sort of debilitating issue that prevents them from working (autism can count). Now maybe the user doesnt actually have the issue so bad they couldnt work, but they will pretend like they do just so they dont have to work. Id imagine you might have an issue since you already have had employment, proving that you are hireable and your illness doesnt prevent you from getting a job.

They don't gain anything career/employment wise. The idea that working on your favourite game for free is great is a delusion, it's not great. If Chucklefish are indulging their delusion and getting free labour out of it, they're being exploitative

they never will, same way we've removed any chance of these retards dying through their stupidity nature has corrected itself by making them commit social and job related suicide instead.

Is it though? Could be very likely that whatever experience the unpaid internship gives isnt valuable enough to get you a job. I mean maybe your future employers dont value someone who is really good at getting coffee orders correct the first time.

Notice how it fails to capitalize the personal pronoun "I", which is not only always capitalized in English but also the first word of all three sentences.
Notice how each paragraph is only one sentence long.
Notice how my post is almost as faggy as its tweet.

>chucklefish didn't pay a tranny
maybe they're based after all.

>just get a different job lol just do something else lol if you want to succeed just spontaneously develop a different skill set along with the requisite experience to get hired somewhere else
>do all this while not having a good job in the first place
>just work a shitty job minimum wage for long hours until you can start to move up and get a better job except you need years of experience for all the better jobs and your only real option is to work for free because for (((some reason))) it's legal to not pay you for the work you do
Ok bootlicker

>tfw you'll never have the power to get someone fired and cancelled by simply claiming they sexually assaulted you.

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>Actual pro artists get the 'exposure' shit all the time.
And they turn them down, because they can and should. Artists that have don't have secure alternatives do not have that luxury. The exposure meme is a purely privileged perspective trumpeted by those who have the ability to turn down unpaid work. Not everybody can do that, because of the reality that there are other people willing to do their work for free. Saying that exposure payment is unfair does not change the reality that some art labor is not valuable, regardless of the merits or ethics of individual artist. If the artist can afford to say no to exposure payment, they should do so. It would be self evident, like "I get paid commissions basically weekly, why should I accept your unpaid exposure offer?" Of course, this seems silly to the artist, so he posts about it on social media. If somebody in a worse position, say somebody who does not ever get commissions, gets an offer from a big youtube channel to make a logo or some backgrounds for "exposure," that individual artist will ask themselves whether they believe the work is worth doing for free. If it is yes, they will do it. If it is no, they will not. Requiring that people be paid a minimum will only prevent those tiny people from ever being "exploited" for exposure.

>people who draw those shit pixel graphics are 15 and 16
Oh wow, why am I not surprised

Hmm, that sounds like something a jannie would say

Pretty normal, I did this for an electrician back in the day. It's called work experience.

They pay insurance, take time to teach you shit and take your sub-standard work in order to help you lean the job.

There's this thing called personal responsibility.
Nobody is forcing them to take the unpaid internship, if they take it, they are made to understand it is unpaid, the intern has to understand that and is responsible for their own actions.

Never EVER work an unpaid hour in your life unless you're working for yourself.

>just work a shitty job minimum wage for long hours until you can start to move up and get a better job except you need years of experience for all the better jobs and your only real option is to work for free
So first a shitty minimum wage job is possible that you have to work for years to get better jobs, but in the middle of that same sentence you somehow are forced to work for free after all, and the job just disappeared.
Did you get a stroke?

>The idea that working on your favourite game for free is great is a delusion
You're a fool for telling me what it is that I should value. I gain nothing from going to Disney Land too, you know. There's no fucking economic return on that, so how can you say wanting to go to Disney Land is a delusion? You can't fucking make these value judgements for people just because you think kids are idiots. Fuck off.

The reality is that the labor is never "not valuable" and the only reason you can buy art for exposure in the first place is by manipulating and exploiting desperate people who believe they have no other option.

exposure isn't really a thing in the digital art world
you're saying alot of shit that applies to other fields but not here
you are better off doing your own work for your portfolio than taking an unpaid job

Work experience is always worth something to someone with no work experience, experience is always valued in the job market.

Are you seriously trying to make a point by comparing going to Disney Land to getting a job to support your life?

>You can't fucking make these value judgements for people just because you think kids are idiots. Fuck off.
Yes I can. It's a common delusion that everyone who's worked in the game industry has had and gotten over. Exploiting it is unethical. Anybody who has worked for free because they were starstruck by working on games or working on their favourite game comes to regret it and feel used

There's a difference between an arbitrary minimum and tricking newbies and the less talented into exposurebucks, as well as the standard it sets. It actively devalues art for those who do get paid by creating a more extreme race to the bottom. Many employers and people with disposable income actually think paying for even professional grade art is ridiculous precisely because finding someone who will work for free is so easy. It's how commonplace "work for exposure" is and the standard it sets thst's a problem, not the idea of free art existing at all. It makes the client pool actively lower or less viable due to a lowered sense of worth created by taking advantage of morons.

>better underworld exploration
>better biomes
>forgot to mention the atrocious combat

sure thing bud

Holy shit is that real? Do americucks work for free? Like "experience"?

Fucking top kek, in EU even if you are a plumbing student, and have to go work for experience its mandated by law that you have to get paid, not the full wage, but partial wage. And that is before you even are fully learned in the field. Ahahahaha and muricucks got scammed into believing free work is a fair deal.

>continue to work for free
>wtf why i didn't get paid

Only the most retarded do user. Same way they're are artists who are idiotic enough to do "Tests" for someone considering commissioning them and not having the brainpower to realize the test is what they want. They have no one to blame but themselves for getting hustled

What country is that?

There's this thing called manipulative corporate bullshit, and the idea that you can consent to working for free is chock fucking full of it.
They ARE being forced to take an unpaid internship, specifically under threat of economic destitution. In the same way you cannot legally sign away your rights as a human being, in any civilized county where people don't spend all their time licking boots, you cannot legally sign away your rights as a worker.
An unpaid internship is not accepted with consent, it is agreed to under duress and were it not for the perpetuated standard of systematically not paying interns, they wouldn't stand for such an unfair 'agreement'.

You cannot 'agree' to work for free. You simply can't. And don't you dare imply unpaid interns are often well off or have better options at their disposal.

>The reality is that the labor is never "not valuable" and the only reason you can buy art for exposure in the first place is by manipulating and exploiting desperate people who believe they have no other option.
I never said it wasn't valuable. If it wasn't, it would never be sought after. The question is whether it is worth paying for. If people are willing to do a job for free, it can be done for free, regardless of how valuable it is. If I cannot get you to do it for free, I can get somebody else to do it for free. If I value you specifically, I will pay to have you so that I am not forced to look elsewhere. That is the reality. The only people allowing companies to ask for free work are the thousands of other artists willing to work for free. This is not a contrived scenario fabricated on the part of the businesses. If they could not afford to get the same work elsewhere for less, they would pay you. That is why some artists get paid, and it is why some artists don't get paid. The actual merit of your character or the effort you put into your work is meaningless unless it is valuable comparative to your peers. If millions of other people put the same amount of work and effort as you do into your trade, you are not worth paying more than what your equal peers are willing to take.

based

Actually, the more I read about America here, the more I'm convinced that the only reason they think they are 1st world country is because they just don't know any better due to their willful ignorance how things are in normal countries.
Some of the shit like how jobs treat PTOs, open disdain to unions, medical expenses, job security in general, now this shit, are horrifying from EU perspective.

>Yea Forums defends chucklefish now
you're all niggers i swear to god. pack mentality tribal fucking morons.

Running the till at the local 7/11 isn't ever going to get you into a decent field, tardo. He's saying that you can take garbage work with garbage prospects to pay for your life, or you can do unpaid work to get you experience in a field you actually want.

I think what you're failing to consider is that most people who take unpaid internships are people without a degree or a portfolio that they can flash, so they have to prove that they can work in the field. And the only way to prove you can work in the field is to work in the field. Since nobody is willing to pay money to someone that cannot prove they can work, they have to take an unpaid internship.

Hit me with that 'hard work they made bad choices its all their fault' nonsense if you really have to, but at the end of the day there are plenty of people who are underprivileged and don't have the opportunities that other people do. Not because of race or creed or any of that shit, but just because life isn't fair and some people get born into garbage beyond their control.

Nobody is defending chucklefuck, retard. We are only shitting on the tranny for being a retard.
These things are not mutually exclusive, no matter how much you would love to spin it that way.

Combat in both games is equally atrocious, only the enemy AI is better in Starbound.
Both have rocket boots.
Both have hooks.
Movement amounts to the same shit.
Starbound has blink mechanics and other power mechanics to add shit including secondary powers on weapons, but it evens out between the games.

Whats with trannies and discord/irc? is like a nest for them.

That might be the case. I come from an artist field where studio work is highly valued and a lot of portfolio marketing takes place. The barrier to entry is crazy high, and I would've practically fucking paid for free gigs when I was younger just for the experience and increased employability. My point is that the fact that I was willing to do that has nothing with employer exploitation, but how my work competes with my peers.

Holy fuck yea, and most of them don't know how many days off you get in other countries.

Free internships haven't existed for decades. If you do any productive work for a company then you are required by law to be paid a wage.

>getting a job to support your life
An artist can always find work in a less competitive area. Not everybody is obligated to succeed in these fields of high competition, the nature of which requires that some do. It is unfortunate but the sheer quantity of hard working artists is what drives their pay so fucking low in the first place.

How do i get into O&G? Is it actually as high paying as they say? Also does every position put in a bunch of hours?

because they can actually socialize unlike aspie incels like yourself.

Yeah well considering doing video game art is just sitting in front of your PC drawing pixel s there is zero barrier to entry and zero reason for you to do unpaid work for someone
No expensive equipment required

Video games are not a job. Art is not a job. It's a passion and only the best will be rewarded for it. Get a job.

t. butthurt wagecuck

>They ARE being forced to take an underpaid internship
Except they aren't you retard. Literally just apply for a job that isn't a scam

It is worth paying for. It fundamentally is worth paying for. The fact that the company or YouTuber or whoever wants it and would otherwise have to pay for it, and that it requires skilled labor to create, means it's worth paying for. Just because you have created a situation where people are coerced into giving you something for free doesn't mean that their labor isn't worth paying for.
Just because you can go out and find someone and coerce them into giving you free shit doesn't mean that the shit they give you isn't worth paying for.
Reality is that you're pretending manipulation and exploitation and coercion aren't real and aren't the explicit motivations and tactics used by people seeking free labor.

You are a boot licker defending LEECHES.

Internet isnt socializing. Going out and speaking to real people is socializing which you obviously dont do because you would get beat up and laughed at for being a subhuman.

>conveniently ignored

I'll be honest I am jealous of the PTO you guys get, but we also get paid like twice what you do with none of the experience when we know how to play our cards. I know an idiot climbing the ladder at Samsung and I make as much as him working at a small business coder as my first job. I work in the city after this job and I'll double my salary

Oh sorry you need two years of experience and a college degree and a recommendation from the pope, sweetie ;))
If you want we can offer you a position licking our floors clean, unpaid of course, and then maybe if you suck enough dick we can give you an entry level position ;;)))
Here's some complementary boot polish, get licking! ;)]

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That's what I'm saying from the beginning, nobody is forcing them to work in that field. You work in a field you are qualified for. If you are not qualified for anything...then you take the jobs that don't require any qualifications.
And if you somehow have the skills to work in vidya anyway, you can use those skills to get in any other field requiring the same skills like developing business apps/tools, or whatever else the fuck.

Now, if despite being a beggar you insist on being a chooser, and you still want to get into that particular field...how in the fuck is that not the guy's fault, you will never be able to explain because it's not possible.

How many jobs have you applied to today? Yesterday? The day before? The answer should be at least 20 in all cases if you're serious. Life is competition, the world population has tripled in the last 60 years. There is no going back, many will fail. You have to work harder or lose to those who will.

>he thinks it's not real

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Yes, but in cities where you are able to pull off double the salary, the cost of living and rent easily offsets that to the point it's worth considering whether sacrificing PTO and security is worth it.

the boomerposting is off the charts

>if you aren't qualified for anything then take jobs that don't require qualifications
Spoken like a true coddled little faggot who has never had to face actual hardship or adversity in his life.

A single sentence isn't a paragraph you illiterate nigger.

>It actively devalues art for those who do get paid by creating a more extreme race to the bottom.
The only person who can decide this is the artist. Employers are not the people in power for salaries, it is your neighbor. As soon as somebody is willing to do the same quality work as me for less, I am undermined. It is an jnfortunate reality but it is not something perpetuated by corporations. Setting any minimum would not actually change the value of the labor.
>Many employers and people with disposable income actually think paying for even professional grade art is ridiculous precisely because finding someone who will work for free is so easy
And they are right to do so. It is unfortunate, as I said before. Only the corporation truly benefits from circumstances like this, being that labor can be done so cheaply. This is not the same as saying that a corporation has any power (or incentive) to change it, which they don't.
>It makes the client pool actively lower or less viable due to a lowered sense of worth created by taking advantage of morons.
Like I said, they only people causing work to be asked for free are the people who are willing to do it for free. It's a bit like digging trench below a lake and wondering why the water falls through it. We can question the philosophical question of why the water would rush down the newly dug trench, but the reality is that the only reason it flows down the trench is because the trench was dug in the first place. Hopefully this makes sense, I'm not trying to be memey with this analogy. The trench digger being the laborer, the water being the buyer.

>how easy is it to get in
Certain postions are super easy to get into. Like as long as you have a pulse and arent incredibly lazy. However not alot of hiring is going on right now. The industry isnt in great shape currently.
>is the pay high
Yeah. Definitely higher than average. But for most positions thats mostly because of all the hours you will put in.
>does every position work alot of hours
Everyone but office personnel. But most of those jobs require tons of experience or a degree and they are incredibly hard to get.

If I was you i would stay away from this industry

More like a woman. You get what you ask for. If you're too scared to ask for something because you're not qualified, you won't get it.

Ok boomer have fun sucking shoeshine all day for free while the rest of us live in the real world and can smell greedy grifting bullshit when it rears its ugly head

You don't get what you ask for, you get what you're given, and if it were entirely up to (((employers))) you'd be given slave chains.

Or more likely a faggot who made correct life decisions and have been working hard to avoid being in the position of not having qualifiaction.
Asking for something because you're not qualified, and working for free is not nearly the same thing. If you managed to get the job without qualification anyway, good job. If you work for free instead, you're a cuck.

Starbound's movement is slightly better imo because it doesn't get absolutely broken in the end. By Terraria end-game you got probably a minute or more of flight due to wings and rocket boots, 6+ jumps with a high jump height for each, grapples with multiple hooks at once, incredibly fast speed, teleporting rod, etc/
In Starbound, best you can have is the "FTL" Dash, a Triple Jump and one of the morph balls, preferably the spiked sphere because going up walls and shit

Why do people on Yea Forums (really just 4channel in general) suck so much boomer dick and spout dumb boomer ideals all the time?

back in the day people worked labor for free at 15, whys this tranny even complaining

>Have recruiters on my dick with 6 months experience in field and before that 6 months experience in retail
>Job listings are 80k minimum
Wow, so hard. I must just be a genius or something. Nah I'm just white

>I didn't end up in this position mostly through luck of birth and opportunity, I just worked harder and made better decisions
Maybe not daddy's little trust fund boy, but you sure reek of coddled little faggot, too.

>unbelievable amounts of money
lol, they made the $10 an hour that they would have paid you otherwise you fucking tranny retard

>implying being white helps
Dont believe this shit. everytime i fill out the race/gender questions on applications I feel like I am putting the wrong answer (white male)

You're a slave because you're too incompetent to escape your slavery. I worked in warehouses before constantly letting my bosses know I wanted to move up. Now I sit on my ass in an air conditioned quality lab throwing a pcb on a tester every 15 minutes and doing whatever I want while it runs. If it's fucked, I just send it back out to a slave like you to fix it. You hate the system because you're too stupid to understand it.

>hates guns
>futuristic sci-fi setting

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Are you retarded? Do you not understand that Yea Forums is social media?

>this thread

>tranny is a fucking idiot and expects society to fix their problems for them

Are you retarded? Image boards and forums aren't social media. Kill yourself you worthless, retarded piece of trash.

>Offhand, meaningless, throwaway banter from a male
>Terrorizing ptsd inducing sexual violence to a woman

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>It is worth paying for. It fundamentally is worth paying for.
It isn't, because I can get somebody else to do it for free. It doesn't matter how much you wish it was worth psying for, or how much value it is to me. If I can get it done at a caliber I want for free, it is not worth psying for.
>The fact that the company or YouTuber or whoever wants it and would otherwise have to pay for it, and that it requires skilled labor to create, means it's worth paying for.
No, it isn't. Skilled labor that can be done for free is not worth paying for regardless of how skilled it is. Think of the average painter in a arts university. If they were transplanted into the Renaissance, they would likely be astronomically more valuable than they are today, even with the same work and talent. The reality is that painting was more valuable then, there were less skilled painters, and that having opportunities to learn how to paint was much rarer. The value of the psinter is only relative to himself within his economy, represented by the demand for his work and its scarcity. Work that takes effort to create is not in itself evidence of being worth paying for, as nice as that idea sounds, it is not reality.
>Reality is that you're pretending manipulation and exploitation and coercion aren't real and aren't the explicit motivations and tactics used by people seeking free labor.
I understand coercion and exploitation are real. I am saying free labor is not itself evidence of exploitation, and that labor can actually be free if devalued enough. Once again, if the employee had nothing to gain from the work, he would not do it. You should consider that the employee not only agrees to do work like this, but also to invest the time to carry it out. This itself is a cost paid by the employee, in that he could use that time to do other, more beneficial things (if he could).
>You are a boot licker defending LEECHES.
They are leeches that exist because of their circumstances.

I'm 29 years old and have 0 skills or hobbies. My life is the same now as it was when I was 12. And yet I crush it on tinder. Is there any reason to work towards anything when I'm happy just fucking random hipster chicks with hairy armpits?

>too much of an ugly tranny...dyke or something... to get molested
>they uhhh didn't pay me when i was like an unpaid intern wtf guys it's time for communism!

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stupid tranny BTFO

Ah yes, it's the fault of the people with less power for just not navigating the system better.
It has nothing to do with the people who have power going out of they way to, at every possible opportunity, milk those below them for everything they can. Not at all. Very smart of you.

no

half and half

why do women like you when you're a 30 year old loser

You're wrong, and you're dumb.

Honestly no, assuming you have enough money to live and that is you don't have an aspiration to do something else you are missing out on nothing

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This, absolutely this.

Pro bono dev work should only ever apply with community efforts, or for short periods at the end of the dev cycle, just to get the product out when the budget runs out. If you're a publisher and you've got most of your asset creators doing it for hot pockets and kind words, you should not be a publisher.

if only it worked like that in the real world

How do you not realize women are just as dumb as dudes?

On the contrary if you can trick a bunch of bright eyed kids into burning their lives away for your bottom line you are fucking perfect for publisher work

diversity hiring makes paying the people who actually do the work difficult.

Your ideal world is incompatible with reality. You're looking for a system of mid communism where you still have the assets of capitalism, but before it devolves into a shitshow. If you think you can make the world better and do nothing, then you are just a hypocrite like the rest.

>Better biomes.
Biomes are empty as fuck and are all very samely. If not for the furniture blueprints (WOW what a reward) they would essentially be palette swaps of each-other.
>Better ocean.
Both are mostly pointless stretches of nothing but water.
>Better blocks.
Opinion.
>Better NPC and AI system.
Every NPC charges straight at you. Performance wise your statement is objectively false because once 4+ monsters start homing in on someone or too much damage is being processed the game starts stuttering.
>Better underworld exploration.
The underground is pretty much empty. The hindrance of not being able to warp to your own ship means you lose nothing in just cleaning out the surface of the planet and moving on.
>Galaxy system is way better than creating new
>maps in Terraria like an idiot to farm and shit.
Moot argument when every planet is as empty, soulless and featureless as the last.
>Better space.
The fuck does this even mean? Space/your spaceship is a single step above being a level select menu.

You being able to get somebody to do it for free doesn't mean that it's not worth paying for, it means you have exploited and manipulated another person.
The labor of others is inherently valuable and you CANNOT access that value for free without some form of manipulation, exploitation, or coercion.
If you cannot find market success without exploiting others, you do not deserve to participate in the market.

>not the government
???????? all of those corporations are examples of corporations benefiting from the government. If they stayed out of it most of them would have crashed and burned.

social media has never been real socialization, its all the bad shit that comes out of interacting with others with none of the benefits but at least we are conscious about that here and we do it anonimously

>basic workers rights that already exist in most of the civilized world is mid communism
>standing up against tyranny from both public and private institutions is mid communism
How do those boots taste? Do they taste good?
Your tongue is black with polish.

I'm writing this from my internship where I don't get paid and instead I have to pay an initial fee so it counts as 3 college courses.

Cuck

You're right so let's just get rid of the government I am very smart you can trust corporations always because anything bad a corporation ever does is exclusively because of the government and everyone knows you can't exploit people or markets and there's no such thing as human nature lol

If only not only milking people means you get a leg up on your competition but you didn't have cuckolds willing to be milked. You need both, protections for employees and employees who are smart enough to actually know the value of their work.

The greatest crime of all was convincing people that saying what their wage is was "rude"

>Internship for college credit
OH BOI AM I HAVIN A LAFF

Should pay be a guaranteed but fixed agreement regardless of the end potential profit of the venture?
Should pay reflect instead the profit or lack thereof?
Doesn't one cause this shit and the other causes paying CEO's a deranged amount of money every year?
Is this an issue that is actually both too complicated and also far too important to be on a czechoslovakian garter-stringing community?

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Cutie!

so this explains why the monster look like toony abortions

I got lucky and managed to win a government fund my first year out of college as a game designer to make some minigames people could play on street ad screens. I was later picked up by a shitty indie studio that paid me half of what I was making but I took it because a stable work seemed good to my younger self. Got screwed over for 3 years, now I'm free again and leeching at the government to make my vidya.
morale of the story: don't get jewed.

and yet he decided to attach his name to chuckleheads, tainting his name forever

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CEO make zero money, also unless you have direct stake in the company you don't make money based on profits. Imagine if Starbound bombed but they were still payed a wage for instance, assuming they were actual employees. Of course it's moot here since they weren't employees but young idiots who wanted to "contribute" and freely gave up their work to Starbound for their use.

They got cucked in short, and are complaining about it

And by CEO make zero money, I mean they don't have a salary but make money based on the value of their company, ie Zuckerberg has no salary but is still a billionaire. He's scum yes but it's an important distinction

Reminder.

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These "cuckolds willing to be milked" only exist because (((someone))) benefits from them continuing to exist.
The idea that it's rude to publicize your wage didn't spontaneously come out of nowhere for no reason, isn't it curious how a certain category of people exclusively seem to benefit from the ignorance of their employees and of potential laborers at large?

There being a bunch of suckers out there who you can scam isn't a separate issue if those suckers are created by you in the first place. The problem is still entirely on the scammer benefiting from and perpetuating the people's ignorance.
If you make it a faux-pas to share your wage, what are people going to do, suddenly and collectively decide to change the social rules that you've developed and reinforced?
They might, but they'd have a harder time if you also convinced some of them that it's a good thing and that only beta cucks tell other people how much they make. And so on.

>ctrl+f puppy
>0 results
Today, I will remind them.

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w-what?

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You're going to get a bunch of 3rd worlder yankies telling you you're wrong without realising that the rest of the world only works like that if you're a silver spooner working at Papa's Real Estate factorum.

contrarianism and trying to come off as tough or hardline even though we're on an anonymous forum.

yikes...

>kickstarter money spent adopting an office dog
>post image of dog sleeping next to electrical sockets
>dog was never seen or heard about ever again

It really do be like that

maybe he got a better offer

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Tranny btfo
Game still sucked though

yeah, guarding the gates of heaven

Examples? Even outside of Yea Forums it seems to be 95% women and trannies. I get the feeling you fall into one of those cagegories, because you sound triggered.

If you are doing any productive work for the company and not being paid for it monetarily, you need to contact a labor lawyer. Many will hear you out for free. That is an open and shut case if you are actually doing something productive and not just watching over shoulders.

Oh no user I'm aware the powers that be is a massive feedback loop to ensure their own existance with things like "DONT SAY YOUR WAGE". I'm saying the system is fucked, but you have to play by it's rules sometimes. Yes I'd want to change it but I'm just one idiot on an imageboard, and change has to come from everyone, both from the rules of the system and the way people value their work.

Came here to post this.

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/pol/posters think that you have to pretend to be a boomer who still thinks society works like it did in the early 20th century when America was benefiting from the "socialism" they won't tell you about
in order to fit in.

Not being a wagie.

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i know a guy who basically made killing floor happen, helped de-shit its unrealscript when it was just a mod into something usable. he never got paid a cent either.

as a guy whos programmed unrealscript longer than killing floor has existed, KF as a mod had unrealscript that reached legendary bad status.

>working for free
I guess it's in some people's DNA to want to be a slave.

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it really depends on the work they did. they could be entitled to a wage if they can prove they were being exploited for free labor

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lol why should they get paid? Make a deal beforehand if you want money. All these money grubbers. "I fixed a minor models overlay! I deserve a cut from this successfull game!" "i fixed a small piece of code, i should get hundreds of dollars!!"

Moneygrubbers everywhere, and its always after the game become a huge hit these little ratos emerge painting the devs as bad people.

Dude, nerds have been on IRC for fucking ages. Discord is basically the fancier, easier to use version.

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Even if you put it that way I would make the argument that it's evident enough that the change would primarily come from changing the rules of the system.
You can't really blame people for acting under the constraints they're placed under, but you can most definitely blame people for placing constraints upon others. Remove those constraints and you'll see an improvement in the people, the other way around there's no real guarantee anything productive will come.

Thanks user for making my purchase years ago less painful

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>The labor of others is inherently valuable and you CANNOT access that value for free without some form of manipulation, exploitation, or coercion.
I can, because the other artist right next to you is saying that I can, in that he's willing to work for free. Are you making a moral argument or an economic one, because your logic seems based in it but you're using terms like exploitation and coercion. If you want to disregard people to look for free work, go ahead. I'm not trying to argue the philosophies of labor markets, just that the people who look for free labor are only successful because artists agree to do work for free.
>If you cannot find market success without exploiting others, you do not deserve to participate in the market.
Again, it sounds like you are debating morality, not markets. It sounds like by market, you mean society, because there are certainly no "deserving" morals within a market. The only thing that perpetuates market success is profit. It happens that being a massive dick and scamming people can hurt your reputation, and thus your profit, but this is not the same as saying morality decides market success. Morality can affect profit, which affects market success. Saying that people you view immoral do not deserve a place in the market is a truly meaningless statement. It is the responsibility of the consumer to hold businesses accountable for things they do not agree with, which they tend to do, and it's why slow businesses eventually fall below faster ones, its why primitive, less efficient technologies stop receiving business. continued-

Only the biggest idiots. Most internships for anything worthwhile are paid.
Eh, we actually have more buying power than you and higher levels of home ownership. Not mention your nation's budgets that allows those things, and even their very existence, pretty much rely on our military subsidized your defense. Not exactly very first world of you.

>So what you do is you work for free
Born to be a slave

Man, phoneposting sucks. You get the gist.

Starbound only got worse as time went on though.

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-Again, saying immorality should not be tolerated means absolutely nothing in economic terms, or in labor markets. If you wish to see what would happen if businesses were forced to pay a minimum for sprite artwork, we would see less 16 year olds receiving work opportunities. The price of the 16 year old's labor is not set by the employer, despite how it may seem to the 16 year old. It is set by all the thousands of other other people who are willing and capable of doing the same work for free. Calling somebody immoral or undeserving of success in this case does not change the reality that people are literally willing to work for free. All of the power is in the employee as a population. If they became more scarce, and didn't have so many people willing to work for free, free work would become far less common, like in the Renaissance. I would encourage to not mix up your moral questions with your understanding of market incentives. Not to say the market is immoral, or separate from morality, being that it is technically made up by individual people with morals, but that saying somebody has a right to be paid for work, regardless of the circumstances, is technically meaningless aside from the philosophical or moral aspect

dude made the framerate acceptable, it used to be dog shit; it turns out when you iterate over all objects every frame brainlessly in countless classes your framerate goes to shit. also they kept using him to fix/update the game when it went retail i.e. when they had money

I dont think he himself cared that he did it for free, as an outside observer they fucked him over. he even was/is revered in the community for mods he made for KF after release

Terraria and starbound were made by the same people

What I'm saying is that free labor is inherently theft and just because you can coerce somebody into it doesn't mean it's valid.
The only difference between a moral and legal argument in this case specifically is that America is a third world shithole in terms of legal protections for workers.

I'm not entirely debating morality, I am simply saying that if your business strategy depends on coercion and worker or consumer exploitation to stay in the black, you are not succeeding fairly in a free market, and the legal consequences should be that your company be dissolved and you executed.

Well he should have negotiated a price. Nobody forced him to do anything.

I want the rules to change, by why would the powers that be consent to rules that weaken their own power? You can only change if you give them no choice one way or another. Either literally the entire labor pool has to dry up (good luck doing that when the third world/scabs/an underclass exists, and they will always exist) or you need some kind of takeover/coup, and hope the system resets until the new powers ride.

Nah the company should be obligated to pay him for his work if it's incorporated into their product, regardless of any prior negotiating.

Boomers and boomer sympathizers need to be purged.

No they should not.

capitalism dictates you are as inhuman as possible, i'm pretty sure they would have just told him to fuck off. but this guy likes to fix things just to have them fixed anyway. I would know, he used to email me my mod with some fixes in it periodically

Lol I know this person from way back in the Lock Legion days on Newgrounds. They're Peach Lock who was a hyper emotional person on the forums and would constantly lose their shit and get banned from time to time for the lulz. They also looooovvvved real world guns and would constantly make tons of them for members to use in their animations. I wouldn't be surprised if this is all bullshit from them as they loved making drama.

So how much did you pay him for doing that? 0$ of course.

>it's a tranny and/or a pronounbabby
every fucking time

You have stumbled upon the major problem with American democracy. We don't really have a good solution yet.
Bringing back the guillotine would be nice, but I have a feeling the strong political divide in modern America would turn both sides off from putting some key heads on pikes.

>There was another one of those in that scam game's development
>Not paid
Finally some good fucking news. Now if only that game was good enough to make up for the $20 I wasted when it was a good early beta.

I gave him access to my webserver to host redirects for his games which is still active to this day. I made and still make $0 off my mods. this is not apples to apples. that dude is my friend, not someone helping my company make big bucks.

It's illegal to pay interns in my EU country

Let propose a hypothetical
>I am making a game and show off some stuff I did, known in a small forum
>Build up small following
>You have art, and are a fan and want to contribute art
>I say I can't pay you, and you give me permission to use your art for free
>My game blows up and I make a lot of money on it

Are you entitled to any of my money? Alternatively, let's say I paid you $1000 for the assets, are you entitled to any of the profits from the game assuming we didn't agree to that prior?

It's their fault for being an idiot

Yes they should. If you use somebody else's work in your product, you should be obligated to compensate them for it in some way.

>he can't enjoy books to the fullest
plebian

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True. I made the same mistake as an artist. People are ALWAYS trying to fuck over artists. I can't count the number of times some fuck has hit me with "But we're paying you with valuable EXPERIENCE", honestly thinking that would work.

They have to negotiate that from the start retard. If you agree to let someone use your assets for free then you lose the ability to make money on it. It's be a different story if he stole the assets or something but the tranny let him use them FOR FREE

I'll take "What is Dune?" for 500 Alex!

>"I-its different when I do it!!!"
You are so fucking disgusting

You do good lewds? I'll look you up and commission if I like your style

If you gave permission without any form clause then it's your fault.

What's this a reminder of? Been a while, and I don't recognize this at all.

>free labor is inherently theft
A moral argument, my point. You cannot debate the reality that labor is being done for free by parties in a consenting relationship.
>I'm not entirely debating morality
I understand, but saying free labor is theft, when neither party is actually being stolen from, being that they are fully understanding of each others terms and that they both are free to back out at any time, this is a moral argument. You mean to say that this transaction of free consenting individuals is morally unjust, because you perceive one to be highly advantaged over the other. My point is that they both gain, and the reality that the corporation has more labor is caused by the fact that there are so many fucking artists willing to do the same work for free, not because the people behind the corporations are literal thieves. If I want to do something, I have something to gain from being allowed to do it. If I want to work for a company, I can do so, if I am okay with being paid very little to work for that company, I can do so, if I want to work for that company so much that I would even do it for free, I can do so. Limiting cheap or free labor only prevents me from making choices that I could have made otherwise. It does not actually increase the value of my labor.
>I am simply saying that if your business strategy depends on coercion and worker or consumer exploitation to stay in the black, you are not succeeding fairly in a free market.
I would agree, but free labor by consenting, fully free and honest individuals is not exploitation, as much as alternatives might be desired by the laborer. I would never defend any corporation that lied or prevented an employee from being able to exercise his right to choose where to work. Calling all free labor exploitation is an emotional appeal. It means you really fucking don't like free labor. That doesnt change the fact that it occurs voluntarily without dishonesty by free individuals.

Did he sign an NDA on his employment agreement. I hope he gets sued for sharing the details

Hey, I hear 4channel is hiring, inquire at your nearest two-inches-above-this-thread.

starbound was made by a bunch of retarded rejects from the terraria team who wanted to make their own terraria with blackjack and hookers

>Are you entitled to any of my money
Yes. Even if permission was given previously, the success of the game merits a renegotiation of the deal.
If you went back and offered some form of payment that was accepted, then that person should take it to a court to decide whether the scale of their contribution warrants further compensation.
It is not a guaranteed sum of money or portion of profits that they are entitled to, but a chance to renegotiate their prior agreement given your success.

If you fairly compensated them for the value of their labor provided, you have nothing to fear. If you didn't, and you perhaps cheated them out of money that they deserve, then of course you're in the wrong undeniably.

just because its legal doesnt make it moral

my mod has made me $0 over the course of my life. KF made tripwire.. a lot. gamasutra.com/view/news/342716/The_Killing_Floor_series_has_earned_100_million_in_revenue_in_10_years.php

do you understand the difference between a corporation who can actually afford to pay someone who clearly deserves it for what they did and a joe blow with a friend? corporations are not your friend, you should know that -- yet it looks like you are defending them

>Get sued for talking goy!

>taxation is theft
>slavery isn't
Every fucking time.

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>free labor by consenting fully free and honest individuals
This does not exist. It's an idea as ridiculous as "a functioning communist state". It is not reality.
All labor given for free is NECESSARILY coerced.

Starbound recently sold a ton of units to steamdrones gaming the Summer Sale for easy points earned by simply fucking drinking soda in the game (and you could spawn Soda with cheats or even mods and it would still count).

Taxation isn't theft. Slavery in which an individual can choose to cease being a slave at any point in time is not slavery. Slavery requires an individual to be stripped of his rights. This is often only enabled in anarchy and militarist systems. You could at least read the post before strawmanning my whole character.

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regret is not slavery retard

Thank God this isn't how the law works, based retard. But I'll throw a wrench in your hypothetical.

I agreed to use your assets because they were FREELY OFFERED TO ME. Law doesn't let you got NUH UH GIMMIE THAT BACK.

It's not moral, but the artist is an idiot for not valuing their "hundreds of hours of work". Really marks like that fuck over other artists more than anyone

Excellent timing for this

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>"my shitty product was unsellable and made zero money, so i should not be forced to pay a dime!!"

Work is work buddy, effort is effort. 50 hour of work should be paid equally, regardless if you are working for a random guy or a group of people that form a company. You think you are entitled to free labour just because he was you "friend"?

Why is it okey for you to get free labour from a "friend", but not okey for a group of people getting assistance from a "friend"? Massive hypocrit. Besides, if you want to get paid, you need to negotiate before hand, its very simple.

You are the type of person who starts harassing a relative after they win on the lotto, thinking you are entitled to a few thousand "for helping mowing that lawn in exchange for beers"

Either way, I'm glad I pirated this and threw it away years ago. Garbage game by garbage people, especially if they have libertardians defending them.

BASED BOOM

PLEASE tell me this is not real

The western indie scene has definitely been imploding.
I personally think it has to do with these twitter fags who don't know that game development isn't the same cushy beanbags-and-vending-machine atmosphere as other digital careers like journalism or whatever.
The phrase "starving artist" exists for a reason, it's not always a fun path.

>final year uni
>had to do 4 internships because degree requirement
>all non-paid
>one company offered me job as soon I graduated
>mfw making 23$/hour

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He at least got his name in the credits, right?

And instead of learning the valuable lesson to negotiate compensation before work begins, you learned to whine about it on Twitter so a mob of monkeys can fling their poo at the entity you feel wronged you. Sasuga millennials.

If I would choose to do something for free, who is to say I cannot be allowed to do it? You wish to make a parent of every citizen by who's morals and ideals we must all follow, regardless of how productive or beneficial they end up being. My point before stands, in that if you prevent 16 year olds from working for free, they will likely simply not work, because the only people who will receive work are those who are worth paying for. Most 16 year old artists are not worth paying for. This is not because they do not try, or because they are wasteful, but because they are often willing to do it for free, because their rellative demand to supply ratio is very fucking low. There are far more 16 year old artists than are sought after. No amount of legislation can change this, regardless of your intentions. Unless you wish to assign people professions, but we've already seen how that system works.

This, so much.
So many idiotic ideaguys see hideo Kojima and think theh can do that.

The 'freedom' to scam people isn't a right. That IS how the law works in actually civilized countries and they get along perfectly fine not having to lick every boot they come across.
In a truly civilized country scammers and conmen get the rope.
People like (((you))) kiking up America are the problem with today's economy.

dune had lazer guns.

Good shit. What do you do?

Does this actually work?

Totally agree. The whole main game loop is a fucking boring mess.

web dev. tiring but comfy desu

How to fuck do you rationalize the college system then? Not only are you not being paid, but you are actually PAYING to do work. What the fuck kind of broken mental gymnastics do you pull for a system like this? Is it not possible for you to understand that people free to choose what they want to do with themselves will sometimes seek options that don't pay in immediate cash? You're fucking ridiculous.

Okay now deduct the cost of the materials and property which you were given access of for free to do your work.

you are taking things way out of context, my friend did the things for me mod because he wanted to, I never asked for it. It'd just show up in my email box and we'd talk about how cool things were, dude we were literally 13~15 at the time, we didnt give a shit about money, just some bros having fun. and I paid him back in the only way I could which was with free hosting on my webserver.

even if I asked him if he wanted money for his work way back I bet he'd say no. he also didn't put in "hundreds of hours" into what I did, and I also helped him with his mods a lot too

what the fuck user have you EVER had a friend?

>libercucks insisting on exploitative practices by arguing from a position of personal freedom
>Well if I want to be a SLAVE, I should be ALLOWED to, in a free society!
It's always so fucking disingenuous. It's never the people wanting to surrender their rights. It's always corporations wanting to violate those rights.
>well hurr durr if i want the government to tax me 100% of my income and implant tracking chips in me i should be able to let them do that to me! because this is a free society after all
>if i want these nice balaclava'd gentlemen to behead me, you're violating my rights by forbidding me to be pulled into a van and taken into the desert, because in a free society, free people should be able to freely enter into free association with terrorists to receive express beheading services

>your wish to make a parent of every citizen
Nigger are you talking to somebody else?
There is no such thing as labor fairly given for free.
There is no state the market could possibly be in such that your labor doesn't have value, and to exchange an object of value to a figure of authority without due compensation is inherently coercive. That's how power and authority work.
Whether or not you feel like you want to, for some retarded reason, give you labor away for free, is completely irrelevant to the fact that you are being exploited like it or not.
You could be some findom faggot paypig who literally gets off to it, that doesn't change the fact that you are being exploited.

NO NO NO SHUT THE FUCK UP I DESERVE TO OWN THE FACTORY NOT SOMEONE ELSE ITS NOT FAIR

based chucklefish

>me me me
>own own own
Have you bootlickers heard of a fucking cooperative before?

user you offered me those assets for FREE. And now you are trying to claim they weren't free but instead required stake in my game, after it attained financial success? I didn't scam you, you fucking GAVE me the assets. If you gifted me a lottery ticket and it won the jackpot are you entitled to my winnings? I realize thats a different example because in that case I probably would give whoever did that half, but again, legally do you have any right to my winnings?

>internship.
>unpaid

When will zoomers understand this? Internships are unpaid. You're supposed to get experience. Count yourself lucky if they even give you job offer.

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You mean the useless hunks of metal that don't produce anything without skilled laborers? You mean the little red outline that is part of the total value produced from your labor but not part of the surplus extracted?

The first thing I noticed was the cal arts style avatar in the thumbnail, then the flag lmao

And I'm not surprised it was starbound either

the absolute state of Yea Forums