So in 2004 were boomers hardcore masochists with infinite time on their hands?

Actually I remember that the EverQuest crowd ruthlessly trolled WoW kids because upon death, you "only" have to make a corpse.

I never played EverQuest but I guess on death, you got hit with a pretty nasty level drain and debuff. It was a pretty huge deal to be killed in EQ.

Older mmos make wow look like a speedrun if you compare the amount of grinding needed. Just look at 2004 Runescape and pre-3rd jobs Maplestory.

I was in grade 8 and high school. All I did my summer break was play WoW and any day after school was come home, so yes. Infinite time.

You lost all your non-bound gear, held items, and money until you picked it off your corpse [/spoiler]which would decay after a given time limit and then would be lost permanently

>attacking something higher level than you
What do you think this is, a good game??

I think this is something modern lilzooms don't get, it's not about rushing to max level and getting into the latest raid, and thus skipping 99% of the game.

pre financial crisis was a fun time to live in yes

imagine telling the brood war players that in 15 years, wow will be considered hardcore

kek

Yes, since 15 years ago we were 15

>boomers
the boomers were zoomers back then

Everyone I know in europe took 2 to 5 weeks of vacation just for the release and down Ragnaros in 10 days.

The game will slow down a lot next month

Should probably take a look at your priorities dude

I took three times as long to level because i spent so mich time exploring and engaging in world pvp. Rushing to max level is retarded

In 2004 there was no streaming, no youtube, no instant jump-in online multiplayer games, social media hadn't taken off yet. If you wanted to hang out online with a bunch of strangers this was the best you could do.

Now people have literally infinite on-demand entertainment at their fingertips so games like vanilla WoW no longer exist. Classic is just a nostalgia wank thing.

They were underage fags back then. Only difference is they weren’t raised on microtransactions and casual win mechanics

>never played WoW, or any MMO
>decide to give classic a shot
>pick dorf hunter because muh steampunk faggotry
>dicking around in coldridge
>bantering in general chat, all a bit slow
>levelling up is satisfying
>just made it to ironforge

I'm level 8, haven't made any friends or anything yet but it's very very comfy. I'm having fun.

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You thought all the neet neckbeard memes were just memes?

You weren't even alive when this game came out, stop lying on an anonymous imageboard.

And its fucking great. Just the way we love it.

I hate that you children don't even understand vanilla wow was casual as fuck compared to EQ or FFXI. You'll never play a real mmo.

>instant groups for dungeons
>absolute juggernaut from the whirlwind axe onward
>only a few of the million warriors out there will hit 60

It sucks but if you push through and try to group up as much as possible, you'll find its worth it at 60

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No we were jobless living with our parents using wow as a job replacement and then we wonder how we became unhirable

>see these threads shit talking wow for months
>eventually inevitably get curious and try it
>its a nice game and I get to actually party in an mmo, and people were really happy to help me
thanks op

It's funny how zoomers complain about the grind in classic where they would be crying if they tried to max out an OSRS account.
This is fucking nothing.

Its not casual, its simple and punishing. Hence why it got popular to begin with.

Retail wow is a lot more complicated and confusing for a new player, hence why the game has zero growth. The game is bloated in terms of content, and most of it is poorly designed for low levels.

>join dm with me as a feral druid, 2 hunters, one warlock and a mage
>only jump out of catform to hot people up after we clear a group or if someone takes too much damage
>pets pretty much tank everything
>clear everything in less than 40 minutes
>hear about others taking up to or longer than an hour with a traditional group
Are tanks and healers a meme in a dungeon?

Stop being dumb you dumb fuck

seethe

You sound mad.

>on streamers realm 1 dude is already 52 at 2 days 2 hours mark
Just like I remember, guyz! H-home....

>punishing

What? You don't lose XP or items on death and graveyards are a short walk. People who had never touched an MMO before could solo their way to max level with relative ease. There was absolutely nothing punishing about WoW, its casualness is a huge part of what made it so popular compared to other MMOs of the time.

Nobody here played FFXI I see

mmos are fundamentally not like they were back when the internet was still new. the world has changed, not just the games industry. it has already been min/maxed, categorized, speedrun, and theorycrafted so many times over i do not understand why people think that this game is going to be fun 15 years later

i already know the entire fucking map by memory. i know the itemization by every level bracket. i know exactly where all of the mobs spawn, where the mining nodes are, where the quest items are - and that stuff is easily available on wowhead or with a cursory google search. I 'only' leveled 2 80's back in the day and there are many many people with far more time sunk into the game than me with much more knowledge of the map and how to level efficiently

Compared to the likes of Asheron's Call, Ultima Online, Everquest and DAoC, it absolutely was casualised. Gaming since then has largely devolved into zero consequence nonsense.

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR FAGGOT WEEB SHIT
FUCKING FINAL FANTASY IS THE GAYEST SHIT IN THE WORLD
FUCK OFF

YOUR FAGGOT GAME ISN'T WANTED
NOBODY FUCKING THINKS ABOUT IT EXCEPT WHEN YOU COME HERE TO TURDPOST
AND WE'RE ALL REMINDED OF THAT FESTERING LUMP

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NOBODY CARES
NOBODY WILL EVER CARE
NOBODY HAS CARED FOR A LONG TIME

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The speedrun record was a bit over 3 days, its not like people don't know what they're doing now compared to when the game was new you know.

You see but that is your problem. Don't categorize everything, don't make a challenge out of everything. Think of a funny character, play as that funny character and just have fun.
What you're doing is making everything more complicated as it seems. Ruining he game for yourself.

My irl friend doesn't grasp this, but he is just barely young enough to get infected by that zoomer mentality. Any time we go quest together he shortly begins complaining that the exp rate is too slow before leaving to walk to sm and dungeon grind. He is playing a mage so I guess I can't blame him, it's too easy to find groups as one.

I'm glad you played this game to death already and got tired of it but there's people who haven't.

sure you do champ

This. And also /thread.

wow isn't punishing though. its a game where there are very few things you can do that have permanent consequences

you can level by just grinding your face into a bunch of mobs for hours straight and dying every 15 minutes and legitimately end up with more money and more xp no matter what. I have inspected fresh max levels in dungeons with gear that doesn't even have their class's primary stat. there is legitimately no barrier for entry

I've found a bunch of stuff out in the world that I didn't discover back when I first played the game and I've only looked up wowhead once to check how many quests there are for RFC before entering it. Otherwise I just ask players in the game and people whisper me with answers all the time.

You get rewarded for playing well, not punished for playing poorly.

why do people even like wow?

then congratulations, you might have a little bit of the game left to enjoy. but there's no mystery or excitement to the game unless you specifically try to remain ignorant of them and its been that way for over a decade

i just find it interesting that this game was originally marketed towards people who had played it back in the day 'returning home' and in reality its actually a bunch of zoomers who feel like they are missing out. Even though the people who actually played it back in the day don't think its something that is worth investing your time into

There's a ton of people who played back in the day returning to it. Don't delude yourself.

They didn't have to wait in line for 5 hours to wait in line for mobs back then. It was still slow but overall much quicker.

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Why is the response so mixed on Yea Forums when Reddit loves it?

congratulations, you might have a little bit of the game left to enjoy. but there's no mystery or excitement to the game unless you specifically try to remain ignorant of them.

i just find it interesting that this game was originally marketed towards people who had played it back in the day 'returning home' and in reality its actually a bunch of zoomers who feel like they are missing out. you legitimately aren't.

my friends are trying to rope me back into playing and 'getting the gang back together' and its like... pathetic honestly. we had a 'gang' because we were a bunch of codependent 14 year olds and needed a dungeon group, and we split up because we realized it was a perpeptual treadmill and started paying attention to like girls and jobs and shit. it was not a golden period i look back on foldly, it taught me the life lessons that the people i surround myself with try to convince me of shit and i shouldn't hang around people who try and pressure me into doing things that waste that much of my time

would you play classic or ffxiv if you were forced to play mmos? or would you take the bullet?

MMOs arent fundamentally different than any other game, I don't know why you think so.
If you can replay any old game and have fun, why wouldn't you with this one?
"Solved game" is a retarded argument, are you the type of person that doubles checks every walkthrough after picking up a quest? If your time is so valuable that you can't waste it by trying to figure it out on your own, just go do something else and let people enjoy their fun.

>he's still under level 40
lmao
buncha casuals on Yea Forums

reddit is not made up of real people reddit is basically entirely corporate shills and advertisers

you might say 'but real people post there' and that is true, but its impossible to discern the real people from the bots and the paid posters because the group mentality is so heavily controlled and individual opinion is so heavily derided

Because reddit is a closed bubble of ppl circle jerking one another, it's a slow ass old game with outdated gameplay and graphics

Mad classicuck lmao

Where did i say that punished means losing exp or dropping gear? Its punishing as in you'll be in danger if you pull more than 1 mob, which can be extremely hard on some quests if you're playing solo. A mob a few levels higher than you can also kill you if you're not careful.

If punishing means that you lose something, then the repair bill when all your items are red is punishing enough. The graveyard is also usually far away from your corpse, so you can factor that in as well.

Lmao keep coping cuck your shitty nostagial cash grab will always be baby first mmo

Any guides for which EU PVE servers are filled with spics or Eastern Europeans? I don't wanna log in and be flooded with PORTO? PORTO? every day

no, but if i've done the quest twice, there isn't really that much excitement in doing so a third time even if it is 10 years later

you can replay any old game and have fun but usually you are using your prior attained knowledge to better navigate the world the second or third time through. which inevitably happens in an MMO. its pretty clear how that would negatively impact your enjoyment of a game that is designed almost entirely around the experience of discovering a new world with friends, right?

>he’s below 50
Lmao just kys already.

Just play pvp

There's multiple leveling areas, starting zones, and even two factions.
You'd have to level multiple characters to 60 in order to see everything.

I’ve noticed that leveling up in human areas tends to go a lot faster than the others.

but you aren't losing any items or any potential strategies or potential pathways its literally just slowing down the treadmill so it takes longer to get your dopamine pellet

that's the entirety of world of warcraft. a long ass grind for a number to go up. the only challenge is how much time you have to invest in it. the 'brutal grind' is literally just wasted time, its not like you're doing something technically difficult or requiring advanced planning. you're just standing in a spot and pressing the same 3-4 spell hotkeys over and over again

>zoomers consider classic wow too hardcore
This shit was one of, if not THE most casual friendly mmos when it came out.

>masochists with infinite time
wow was the casual mmo back then. That's why it had so many players.

adjust and do it differently next time.

Only alliance cucks stood in line, horde was whoever claimed first

>You'd have to level multiple characters to 60
probably like 6 or 7, yeah. spoilers - they really aren't very different at all. you do the same thing, just in a different area for a few level brackets. and eventually you realize you're just doing the same assortment of quests just in a different order each time

and the alliance/horde thing is basically irrelevant. for the early game its a very different experience but once you start leveling in contested zones you do the same thing on both factions. and when not leveling you're either in ironforge or in orgrimmar standing in the square in front of the auction house. yeah, you'll have to learn where everything is in a new location but that stops being a novel experience after like a week

Reaching actual endgame in BFA currently requires dozens of weeks of 10+ mythic key grinding, doing heroic/mythic EP each week, maybe even a 500 conquest grind every week if you want to speed things up.

You have to run the same fucking dungeon 20+ times in the hopes that you get one specific item that's BIS, then you have to do that again for the next trinket/ring/gear

Do all of this shit, invest those hundreds of hours, and you've finally reached endgame and can fuck around for a bit until they release the next raid/expansion and then you have to do it all over again.

The only reason classic WoW feels like a grind is because it takes awhile to reach max level, it's casual as fuck by comparison.

*ahem*

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