Kotor 2

>but the game doesn't separate much Kreia's ideals from the dark side
Kreia bought into the dark side and to a degree still does, but after suffering...indignities she decided the best goal is to just kill the force itself.

He'd probably have turned Sith too, if Kreia cared enough for that instead of smoking them.
In the end Sion is pretty much the only sympathetic Jedi/Sith

Unfortunately, KoTOR and SWTOR are the best Star Wars canon since well before the prequel trilogy.

in-game you kill, get xp, level up.

in universe, you kill, and get stronger, and the council noticed that and are fucking horrified

>the entire KOTOR and SWTOR series is noncanon technically
Yeah, but even in Legends, there's established material that exists (that used to exist on a lower level of canon compared to the movies) and adhered to specific plot choices from previous games. But it's cool, I'm not here to argue about that. We can be civil and stuff.

>is there a worse Jedi who didn't fall to the Sith?
Not really, no. It's mainly Vrook and the Council's fault that the Republic fell into such a state of disrepair after the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War. Kreia overall was wrong about the Force, but she wasn't wrong that Vrook and the Jedi's teachings were corrupting young Jedi, and in effect, made them more susceptible to the call of both wars.

everyone that tries to take a "third path" or 'fuck your coin' tend to get railroaded back into being moustache twirling sith dipshits eventually

Ah, makes sense.

>tfw nobody wants to talk about this

Sorry, Yea Forums is a bunch of brainlets that would rather argue about Kriea's incredibly easy to understand philosophy.

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there's like 5 star wars threads in the catalogue at the moment and this is one of the smaller ones, which is probably why so few people in here

I just think it's stupid. "We're saying a game mechanic is something that's actually literally happening in the game's world, we're so deep and meta."

It is, special when the plot doesn't revolve around it, like Planescape: Torment does

not its fault its become trite, back when it came out it was probably a pretty fresh idea

I've always thought it was dumb.

Jedi embody purity, their philosiphies are flawed

Sith embody reckless lust for power, their philosophies are flawed as well. Neither side really understand true balance, and it's why they both continue to fail over and over again, you feel?

Honestly we've talked about kotor 2 to death on Yea Forums.
If you're that interested there's a bunch of hour long dissection videos about kreia, the force, the exile, the true meaning of strength etc on youtube.

>Kreia talks to the Jedi Council and the Exile
youtube.com/watch?v=qIqeXSYc8nE

What's with all these shitty "nobody liked my thread" posts we're getting lately? Shut the fuck up.

The only thing that never made any sense to me was the jedi council's reasoning.
>Mandalorians are conquering the galaxy?! Well they aren't Sith so let's just watch.
>Revan is conquering the galaxy?! We better put a stop to that dastardly Sith!
That being said, even though Vrook was an asshole that deserved so much more than what Kreia gave him I think logically he had some good points about not re-training amnesiac Revan in the Force and if the matter was taken before the Jedi High Council on Coruscant he probably would've won. I'm also pretty sure he pushed to just execute Revan once captured.
It's also pretty fucking stupid for them teach you shit and then meet on Dantooine just to strip you of the Force. Vrook convincing them probably wasn't all that hard.
>"Hear me out, the Exile has left a path of death and destruction through Nar Shadaa, Dantooine, Telos, Dxun, and Onderon. Did mostly the same during the Mandalorian Wars too. Do you two really think the Exile has changed at all since we Exiled her?"
[Spoiler] Honestly the whole thing just screams of shitty writing [/spoiler]

Same thing with Dark Souls and eating the Souls of those you kill.

Reminder
KREIA DID NOTHING WRONG

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>"Hear me out, the Exile has left a path of death and destruction through Nar Shadaa, Dantooine, Telos, Dxun, and Onderon."
Which wouldn't even really be true if you'd been playing light side.

Does not apply just to innocents being killed.

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>"Hear me out, the Exile has left a path of death and destruction through Nar Shadaa, Dantooine, Telos, Dxun, and Onderon. Did mostly the same during the Mandalorian Wars too. Do you two really think the Exile has changed at all since we Exiled her?"
if you went dark side maybe, but if you went full light side you cleaned up Nar Shadaa slightly, saved/stabilized Dantooine and redeemed the view of the Jedi there, saved Telos and therefore other restoration efforts, and secured Onderon for the republic. if anything such a great track record and still being convinced you were in the right should make THEM doubt themselves.

>spoiler
yeah pretty much, I think it was a case of they wanted your group to rebuild the jedi so they needed all the masters dead even in a light side run

Yes she did. Case-in-point:
>Kreia's Conundrums
Don't get me wrong, shit like that literally saved the galaxy from the Mandalorians but you don't get to make it a point of subverting Jedi teachings with your thought experiments and then be surprised when you get kicked out on the basis of corrupting the Padawans regardless of how shit the Jedi teachings were at that time.
>the Sith Triumvirate
Surrounding yourself with power-hungry, homicidal dickbags and then encouraging and training them shows a real lack of fucking foresight. You made that shit-sandwich, now you get to eat it.
Light-side Exile still kills plenty of fucking people. Regardless of what side you play "war" is still the Exile's bread-and-butter. Regardless of whether it's in the streets of Nar Shaddaa during a "bounty hunter war", Telos during a "conservation vs corporatism war", Onderan&Dxun during a civil war, Dantooine during a "frontier war", or Peragus where you made it out alive but still left a path of destruction upon your escape, the Exile has for all intents and purposes not changed in the eyes of the Jedi Council.

Even though she fell to the dark side Atris' point still stands;
>You lust for war and you always will. The teachings of the Jedi are pacifism.
That's how the jedi council saw those who followed Revan to war. You directly defied their teachings and let you're passions lead you astray. The Exile has not changed by those standards.

Not just the exp system, but the npc companion relationship shit too
They basically tell you you're mind controlling your entire party, they're slaves to your will because of the wound in force thing

>They basically tell you you're mind controlling your entire party, they're slaves to your will because of the wound in force thing
Which is really ironic, given the fact that due to the completely broken AI, they never actually follow your orders in combat.

More imo in the sense of the usual rpg
>say line of dialogue
>"Wow, user, I guess you're right"
>*influence with X has increased*
Thing, how you as the player can pretty easily manipulate their character progression with simplistic dialogue choices etc, the whole MC exceptionalism and why everybody listens to you so much is put in a pretty neat new context

Canon stopped meaning anything the second Disney Yeeted the whole EU. After this Canon getting all this lukewarm reception they'll probably reboot the whole franchise in a few years.

This game was kino.

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>After this Canon getting all this lukewarm reception
Luke's not warm anymore, though.

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People are theorizing that Episode IX will use time travel fuckery to nullify the entire sequel trilogy so they can start over again. It's a testament to how far Star Wars has fallen that that actually seems like kind of a good idea.

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