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JUST BUY THE GAME ALREADY YOU STUPID NAZIS
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Back then nazis were just bad people who wanted to rule the world and have everyone else under their boot.
These days nazis are people who believe in the family unit, duality of gender, capitalism, marriage, freedom, free speech, borders, countries, culture, etc i could go on.
Of couse fighting nazis is problematic. Everybody is a nazi save for a small vocal minority of communists.
I find the thought of salivating over the thought of killing a group of people to be a bit psychopathic, yet these imbeciles don't seem to see that. Seriously go to any reddit thread about this article and you'll see a bunch of retards talking about how there is nothing thing wrong with killing Nazi scum. It's a weird caricature of dehumanization and chauvinism that leaves a bad taste ein my mouth.
"Nazi" lost it's meaning in the west thanks to trigger happy leftists calling everyone nazi.
>Call everyone right of centre a nazi
>Act shocked when people suddenly find devs jacking off while shouting kill all nazis uncomfortable
I don't want to shoot Nazis
Killing nazis in games is less about killing people and more about the fantasy of killing the ideology, same reason why you wouldn't care about killing a nameless bad guy NPC
>etc i could go on.
Maybe you should've, at least far enough to include "white supremacy," "ethnic cleansing," "anti-Semitic conspiracy theories," "imperialism," etc.?
Only thing problematic here is forcing a fucking good single player game to have the absolute lowest effort attempt at making a coop shooter.
You mean thanks to everyone on the right literally being a Nazi
Those are just traditional american values
Nothing to do with nazis
Nazis aren't human since they forgo human rights. They become biped animals to be slaughtered.
Oy vey.
Dilate
There literally isn't anything wrong with killing honest to god nazis. There was a point in America's history where nazis were a faceless enemy that were considered evil by nearly 100% of the population. Now you have actually nazis going around saying shit like "I just want the complete and utter genocide of every race that isn't white people, what's so wrong abut that? :("
Of course that being said, the devs are full of shit and can't comprehend it's not killing nazis that's "problematic" it's the fact they think nazi is a synonym for "Trump supporter" and feel the need to do shit like make a game about #woke teenage girls killing nazis. I don't need a fucking message with my Wolfenstein games, just let me kill actual genocidal maniacs, thanks
>Those are just traditional american values
True.
Fighting Nazis is only problematic on /pol/. Youngblood was simply shit by all accounts. Even sickeningly progressives Easy Allies shat on that garbage.
Heckin based.
>talking about how there is nothing thing wrong with killing Nazi scum
But there is literally nothing wrong with killing Nazi scum.
What are human rights?
And remember it was the Soviets that did not sign the Geneva Convention?
i'll never forget that swedish poo in loo from machinegun games that announced the new colossus.
He was close to salivating live on stage because of the prospect of killing nazis, it was creepy as fuck.
They believes in the same shit back then, cuck. They loved and died for the volk. You dont have to idolize everything about them but they had a damn good set of ideals.
>free speech
>it's the fact they think nazi is a synonym for "Trump supporter"
Please come off it, your victim complex is wholly unconvincing to anyone outside your stupid bubble.
In Doom you are the doomguy that every demon has beef with but also is horrible afraid of. That's a narrative I can get behind to shoot and destroy everything I see, evil demons.
Now dehumanize Nazis when both sides in the WW2 did their inhumane shit is not as cool or as tempting as it sounds.
Didn't CNN said that Trump is literally worse than Hitler, he's like super saiyan hitler who is also king of the jews
Nazi's used to be the go-to enemy because they were evil but had aesthetic as fuck designs. Now it's just turned into a current day social commentary.
Why do they refuse to make communist killing games?
I dunno man. Youngblood feels more like they put in a lot of effort into actually making it terrible.
Instead of just copying the gunplay from the previous games they added levelgating, a retarded armor system, silent jihadi dogs etc.
keep your tryhard irony humor on twitter, queer
Quite honestly I don't want to kill Nazis either
Churchill was a warmongering drunk
Calling every person that you don't agree with a nazi is the problematic part. It just helps actual nazis.
Everybody calling everyone nazis you mean.
>Muh ww2 muh nazis
How can anyone give a single shit about the setting anymore for vidya? Is there anything that's more over done than ww2 shit?
>Loses by 3 million votes
>Still gets elected president
D E M O C R A C Y
It's funny how the reactionaries who claim to hate post-modernism are always trying to rehabilitate the "bad guys" in historical narratives and view things from multiple perspectives and get bogged down in endless shades of grey.
>implying I think Russians are humans
Literally dog people. Have you seen how they live?
I mean, isn't he? If you want to believe the holocaust never happened then isn't what's going on at the border the same thing? And I doubt Hitler would have gone full "fuck the environment" like Trump is doing.
That says more about the current day really
Why is "killing Nazis" such a big deal now? The appeal of WW2 shooters was playing as soldiers in WW2, it wasn't salivating in killing the enemy faction, and it was more attached to participating in historical battles not just the act of killing the enemy itself. In fact they were mostly just ripped plots from popular novels and movies about WW2. I've never met anyone in real life that acted like this when playing FPS.
A lie repeated often doesn't become true.
> Declaration.
> People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, by this note declares, that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is accepting the convention about improving life of the prisoners of war, wounded, and sick in the acting armies, signed in Geneva on June 27th 1929. In order to verify it Peoples Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, who has all the necessary mandates and powers, signed this declaration of accepting. In accordance with a decision of Central Executive Committee of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics from May 12th 1930, this acceptance is final and does not need any further ratifications.
> Done in Moscow on August 25 1930.
> Signed : Litvinov.
And even if they hadn't signed it, the Geneva conventions say that you can't massacre or torture POWs regardless of who they are, whether their state has signed the conventions or not, whether their state is recognised internationally, whether they're mercs, etc, it doesn't matter who they are, you have pledged to treat them humanely.
Well people who reject post-modernism care about truth so why wouldn't they reject forced narratives and lies about how Hitler was trying to take over the world and Jews did nothing wrong?
The term Nazi been misused as a way to attack people with anti-immigration views for a while now and I think more people have come to see the whole "there's no good side in war" thing. So people have started to realize that the germans weren't all jew hating nazis but a lot were just regular people who fought for their country either by their own free will or because they were forced to.
So the recent Wolfenstein games are a bit out of touch in a way
it sounds like you made up a boogeyman in your fantasy world. maybe take some pills for your schizophrenia
This is a joke, right?
>m.jpg
stupid phone poster
I'm not a nazi, I'm a pirate.
The term Nazi is thrown around at a retarded rate. You are dumb to deny it
>304 minus 227 equals 3 million
Uh
Its only a problem if you are a Nazi. In which case fuck you.
Shit the fuck up nazi.
>It's just a game about killing Nazis you guys, you only disagree with it if you're a NAZI yourself
>lol btw drunpfs wall is in the game tee hee drumgph nazi
These idiots were probably calling feminists "feminazis" right up until a couple of years ago when they decided they actually like Nazis, and somehow it has never given rise to any confusion about what Nazism actually is, nor has it led to feminists identifying as Nazis out of spite. Almost as if... it doesn't actually work like they say it does.
Tell me what you're confused about
Nazifags wishes he was super saiyan hitler. He's a turbo zionist.
It's kind of weird how American lefties fellate the fuck out of Canada when that country has some of strictest immigration laws on the planet. If you don't have a trade or like $8000 to your name, they won't let you in.
Weak bait, but perfect example none the less
>people who reject post-modernism care about truth
ha
>lies about how Hitler was trying to take over the world and Jews did nothing wrong?
hahaha
>thinking democracy works
>dosent know usa is a republic
>layering a compelling narrative
played brutal wolfenstein didn't bother me since it felt kinda satirical and such
but yeah playing games developed by communist where the only draw of the game is killing faceless NAHTZIS with the goofiness of the original replaced with cringe heroes, where the devs seem disturbingly into killing nazis on a creepy level
its like moonman wad except with worse humour and a official product made for money
compare with call of duty or bf 1942 or red orchestra where killing nazis felt less disturbing and more in a "historical" context
even inglorious bastards made some points about the hypocrisy
seriously, get a script before you shoot up a church or something
>The term Nazi been misused as a way to attack people with anti-immigration views for a while now
Wonder if it has anything to do with the literal concentration camps for which "anti-immigration views" has become a euphemism as of late.
Of course the tripfag is a one note brainlet
90% of this thread is baitposting from every direction
Doesn't that shit get boring after a while?
>some people actually look at complex issues and try to decode them
fucking retards
He doesn't give a shit about anything but money and himself. If Israel suddenly lost their global power and the Saudi's said "we'll let you build a hotel in our country if you stop caring about Israel" you think he would still care about Israel?
Are you deranged
I want to concentrate my semen in your cunt
Boзвpaщaйcя в /pol/, yeбoк.
There is no poi t in comparing Nazis to anything modern. Except Neo-Nazis.
They're a group of assholes who were morally wrong, lost, and will be mocked forever more. That's it.
I mean, when you're feigning ignorance about why people might call you a Nazi, you're not supposed to acknowledge the existence of neo-Nazis. That's just giving it away. Not that it was ever anything but a disingenuous semantics argument that failed to convince even a single person, but it was at least pretending, you know?
the problem is who gets to decide what a "nazi" is and who they are.
What an odd thing to say. Are you just repeating things people have said to you and seeing what sticks?
Hmmm
>trump invented clectoral votes
Back to middle school little fella.
All politics aside, the reason I dropped the franchise is because it decided to get too ideological. They decided it was necessary to shoehorn in interracial shit and strong independent black women and make them big slap in the face moments to the Nazis. It's not fucking necessary. The Nazis in The New Order were great. They were faceless, nameless, violent killing machines for the player to mow through. The melodrama of the plot and novelty of the setting was like playing a 70s exploitation/grindhouse film.
What they subsequently did was fuck that formula up, devalue the antagonists, lampoon their own world, shoehorn in awful politically "comedic" bullshit, and drew way too many parallels to modern ideological issues.
No one wanted Youngblood. No one wanted them to double down and take away BJ - even if they did make him a charicature of himself after New Order. They torpedoed their own franchise.
>neo-Nazis
>not nazis
>literally in their name
ay, you got me to reply, good job
Why is the left wing so fucking stupid.
I don't see the Jews digging tunnels to try and get INTO concentration camps only to be dragged kicking and screaming back.
"OMG HITLER THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FREE FOOD IN HERE"
"OMG HITLER WHEN WE ATTACKED YOU WITH ROCKS YOU NON-LETHALLY USED TEAR GAS TO MAKE US GO AWAY"
Leftists will never learn that they are walking right wing propaganda
It has been thrown around for longer than your shitty burger eating camps. It's been misused since atleast the late 2000s around the western world since that were the time that anti-immigration parties started to gain some traction in europe
you are schizophrenic. your boogeyman does not exist. get pills before you harm yourself or others.
Nazis were bad. Some things are not that hard.
But Neo-Nazis aren't Nazis, fact.
You mean those "camps" that Obama also used to keep ILLEGAL immigrants housed before kicking them out?
...
>ein
Found the Nazi.
>Make America Nazi-Free again
>Use of the postwar-era aesthetic to mock the idea that America was greater back then in an era of productivity and prosperity simply because it was more white
>Shit like this
It's the same shit as the basket of deplorables comment, when you liken the rhetoric of a candidate half a country voted for to being a Nazi supporter, you piss off half a country.
I take it then that you accept that Nazism is a left-wing socialist ideology? Since it's "literally in their name"
>biting bait
Prequel with the original Nazis when?
>I don't see the Jews digging tunnels to try and get INTO concentration camps only to be dragged kicking and screaming back.
Wait, America is itself a prison camp? It all makes sense now.
niggers with low iq still don't understand how it works ...
>all the problems of youngblood stem from how "problematic" killing nazis has become and not because the story and cast is terrible with all sorts of gameplay issues.
they use the "nazi" bit to lend a bit of gravitas to the term, a neo-nazi is as much a nazi as a post modernist is a modernist.
>the literal concentration camps
Perhaps the dems should've voted on border funding measures instead of throwing tantrums then.
why are you so concerned about the incarceration of people that break the laws of your country, leech of your labor market with the goal of replacing your population while commiting brutal crime like rape murder and drug dealing
>It's been misused since atleast the late 2000s around the western world
lol, retard
It's been used that way since the 1930s, you just weren't alive for it.
you already got your (you) you greedy fuck you can stop now
>That entire image
Nope, Germans didn't believe in walls. No siree!
>People are risking life and limb to flee into concentration camps
Cue some benny hill music
Even if you expand the analogy to the entirety of Nazi controlled territory it still makes sense. Jews were trying to flee their oppression, not form caravans to force their way in
>who believe in [...] duality of gender, [...] freedom
Well which one is it?
sieg heil motherfucker
I'd be against Nazis too if they were going to send me back to whatever shithole I came from lol
When you hate white people so much but you insist on staying in their countries lmao
sieg heil, dude
Freedom =/= bending reality to your will
>I need a justification to do whatever the fuck I want to people I dislike
>hmm I know, nazis are universally hated because the whole war thing
>therefore anyone who disagrees with me is a nazi
>thus I can be justified in doing whatever I feel like to anyone I label a nazi
And thus antifa was born.
It genuinely impresses me how much of an evolution America has gone through over the centuries.
I'd liken it to the radical reforms Diocletian implemented.
I'll take that as a "yes" then.
Incidentally though, , are you paying attention? That's how you do it.
biological facts can't be bent to suit your mental illnesses
I'm impressed that the wolfenstein devs managed to make the idea of shooting nazis seem weird desu. That E3 guy talking about youngblood was really creepy.
>Fully ignores the second part of the text.
gee it's almost like there's a difference between literal nazis and the current year where it just means "someone who disagrees with me politically". same for commie desu.
oh hold on i didn't just turn off my brain to consume the product, guess i'm a nazi now.
>Wolfenstein 1- NO is about killing Nazi scum
>Everything after is about how white people and men are all Nazis too
>NC puts BJ Blazkowitz in a room with Hitler, then puts you in a fail state if you kill him
soggy knee devs ruin everything
>when you liken the rhetoric of a candidate half a country voted for to being a Nazi supporter
But it didn't. They adapted it as their own marketing slogan, outside the game. There is literally no possible way for any honest person to interpret that as equating half the country to Nazis. And games have always taken potshots at the president.
nazism is antional socialism, so therefore we can safely assume that the bloodiest murderer of gays in history was a leftist as well
>Hi, I'm not a Nazi, but...
They aren't nazis. They're just dickheads who latched onto the superficial aspects of nazism after the fact.
Fpbp, absolutely based. Fuck people who call their political opponents "literally nazis" and then wonder why the same people get upset when they talk about literally killing nazis.Its unironically more nazish to vilify a group of people and then celebrate the idea of killing them all. Sounds familiar, doesnt it? Oh wait, these fucking dipshits dont learn or understand history.
Yes but I was talking about it's use in our more modern world, here in europe anti immigration parties were never really popular enough to talk about so the misuse of the word Nazi wasn't so common. But around 2010 or so the refugee crisis started which lead to the increase in popularity for the anti-immigration parties and thus also the nazi accusations thrown against them
nazism is national socialism, so therefore we can safely assume that the bloodiest murderer of gays in history was a leftist as well
because they clearly tried to make the marketing dehumanize modern-day "'"''''''""nazis''"''""'"""""" (anyone who disagrees with their politics). they were very weirdly specific about the kind of violence they want to do to these people. fetishistic, basically
Its be ause the original wolfestein didnt go out of its way to tell you where a nazi killing profesional its a show dont tell
I mean, you guys do get that Nazis were evil, right? Its pretty black and white in this case.
>"I believe in "science" or "make believe"
Well, which one is it?
thats not an answer
>Everybody is a nazi save for a small vocal minority of communists.
Yeah, it's really a shame what has happened with lefty/pol/.
They will even call their own people Nazi, if they ever so slightly step out of line.
who are you quoting schizo?
Not initially. Not until things got bad. The "Final Solution" wasn't adopted until after the war had begun. And plenty of illegals (or suspected illegals who are being rounded up just for being brown) were already in the country before this shit went down.
The second part of the text is just as nonsensical as the first part.
>This wouldn't happen because reasons! Not-Trump is a dunce and a doodyhead!
>Forget that the left makes frequent statements about forsaking its own people, about how the lives of Americans are worth less than illegal immigrants, about how the dangerousl mentally ill should be protected more than you or anybody else
>Back then nazis were just bad people who wanted to rule the world and have everyone else under their boot.
the nazis wanted to create a big european ethno state for people of germanic descent.
unlike the brits, the french, the spaniards etc they were not interested in world wide imperialism that is responsible for today's shit like destablization of african/asian/south american countries, mass immigrations etc.
they also pointed out that a certain kind of (((people))) and their benefactors were responsible for the financial mess, destruction and degeneracy that plagued europe.
did they commit war atrocities?
some of them did, yes, like all war-participating parties had.
still, history is written by the victors.
That sounds like what a NAZI WOULD SAY
I wonder how we would remember the Nazis without the holohoax being perpetuated non-stop
Antifa has literally been fighting actual Nazis since before WWII, Nazi apologist
Perhaps you shouldn't have made a cobbled together game with mandatory co-op or with a braindead A.I with bulletsponge enemies who respawn way too soon and which has the worst writing and dialogue this side of The Room. Just a thought.
everybody posting in this thread should be sterilized
You first my man
Italy, pls.
>More people are Nazis
>Therefore you hear more people calling them Nazis
Makes sense to me.
What a lovely counterargument.
Illegal immigrants are going to very likely be criminals. They have no legal documents to prove of their existence, they have no way of being taxed to support the country. That makes them freeloaders, it makes them vagrants, it makes them rob and steal just to survive. You are supporting the disenfranchisement of foreign entities by welcoming them into the nation through illegal channels. That means YOU are creating these downtrodden livelihoods where they suffer every single day, you are fucking scum.
>LITERAL
Yeah, they don't even know what to do with all these corpses anymore. Crazy right?!?!?! Retarded brain-dead scum like (You) belong in actual concentration camps.
Remember when we talked about video games? Good times.
Nazis and Communists are shit, fuck you if you support either
>illegal immigrants don't pay taxes
does it hurt, being so stupid?
oi, how i go bout gettin ya banned fuh this post?
Antifa has always been terrorist, that much is true
Succumbing to mental illness isn't freedom
It doesn't, you Nazi. I love how these threads are always split between "how dare you insinuate anyone here is a Nazi" and "gas the kikes race war now"
>Make a new Wolfenstein game
>Remove almost everything from the previous game that made the franchise good
>Add a fuck ton of long, boring cutscenes
>Build the entire game around some dumb narrative and not about getting psyched and killing nazis
>Give the player the dullest weapon and enemy selection to play with
>Don't make Enemy Territory, make a shitty open world co-op for the latest game instead
>And fill it with microtransactions
>"WTF WHY AREN'T YOU BUYING OUR GAME GOYIM!?"
I dunno, you tell me. How the fuck can an illegal immigrants pay taxes when they're not identified by the American state as a living person currently existing within its borders you fucking retard?
It's kind of superfluous effort, really.
If I had to compare one current head of state to Hitler, it would be Netanyahu
A yes the original antifa was comformed by trannys and the mentally ill how could I forget whitout counting that they where a bunch of communist so just as bad if not worst
By stealing a social security number, duh
>Literally says not-Trump is a conman and dumb
>No it doesn't, God you just want to kill the Jews don't you?!
Oh boy it's retarded AND puts words in people's mouths.
>I need a justification to do whatever the fuck I want to people I dislike
>hmm I know, leftists are universally hated because the mccarthy thing
>therefore anyone who disagrees with me is a communist
>thus I can be justified in doing whatever I feel like to anyone I label a communist
And thus the power of the corporatist free-market capitalist right was solidified and placed in a position of unquestionable dominance.
>Illegal immigrants are going to very likely be criminals.
You don't say? You've criminalised their existence.
>That makes them freeloaders
The freeloaders are the capitalist who exploit them and never suffer the consequences. But you'll never go after them. Maybe when all the illegals are rounded up you can thank those job creators for giving you the opportunity to pick tomatoes in the burning sun for a few cents an hour.
>Stealing a social security number
Oh wow you are dumb. That's like the fastest fucking way to get caught and detained.
Based if you mean actual Nazis and Commies
Cringe if you mean "Alt-Right Nazis" and "Neo-Marxist Communists"
See, he gets it. Worst MHA girl, but he gets it.
Brainlet Nazi shut the fuck up
they are paying taxes though
to mexico
>pick tomatoes in the burning sun for a few cents an hour.
So if we got rid of all the cheap illegal labour, the cost of the produce would still be low? Glad to know commies as just as economically illiterate as ever.
Surely we can resolve this without violence against Nazis.
Yes that is also how american political beliefs work. In addition anyone who disagrees with you is automagically un-american and needs to get out.
>make a shit game
>call all of its detractors fascists/racists/nazis
Consumption taxes.
You know, the ones that actually represent the vast majority of tax income recieved by the state?
>brainlet
damn, bringing back an ancient one, huh?
The Alt-Right can fuck off too.
Calm down, you're getting emotional. You should know the difference between concentration camps and extermination camps before calling anyone else retarded brain-dead scum and wishing painful death on them. Then again it probably doesn't really matter that they're not extermination camps when you say you wish people were getting exterminated anyway.
I think it's called the haavara agreement
Not everyone is a nazi, just you and everyone who doesn't agree with me.
Are you mentally ill?
Insulting your playerbase is the most effective marketing strategy these days.
Of course it's fucking problematic - it's murder. Honestly, how can people be so detached and yet so patronizing?
>watermark
They've always been fighting terrorists, and they still do.
Only retarded idpol scum like (You) deserves to be exterminated.
How many games let you kill “liberals”, with said liberals believing in 100% centrist stances?
>compares putting criminals in detention to (alleged) genocide
>"you're getting emotional"
okay bub.
He got the 304 votes that mattered though
>Tripfag
>Shit opinions
All you had to do was say "both of them can fuck off".
But no, you had to reinforce the stereotype that you and your ilk have an average IQ on the level of the Black population.
I have to deal with this idiotic "fight teh nazis" shit from the right and it's no less annoying when the other side is acting like a pack of larping cunts
t. Nazi
Try coming out of the gamerfag bubble for 10 minutes. If you still think it's a "victim complex," kill yourself.
>You've criminalised their existence.
It has to be a criminal act. An illegal immigrant cannot be taxed because it requires a social security number and official paperwork every year so that you can pay towards the state. Not a single nation on this planet outside of Western Europe lets foreigners just walk into its borders. Canada, Australia, Japan, China, you name it. You need a viable trade that guarantees you'll contribute and a decent wad of money before they'll even consider you. Yet America is treated like it should just abolish these laws because reasons.
So just a relic of it's era which has been hijacked to suit the current wearer then? Just like neo-nazis and the like? How pitiful.
“It’s incredibly weird and disappointing,” he said. “We never meant for our stories to be relevant; we wanted to tell great, interesting stories to the best of our abilities.”
>Saying this after bragging about tackling relevant issues in this world and all the obvious stuff they put in the game. After putting political statements before making a decent game.
D A M A G E C O N T R O L
Um sweaty, people you disagree with don't count as humans anymore. It's the progressive way!
>illegal immigrants aren't identified by the state as someone currently living in the US
god damn, you have no earthly clue what the fuck you're talking about
The only tax you'd be able to avoid if you were perfectly off the grid is income withholding and social security, you'd still pay property taxes (through rent), taxes on goods and services, excise taxes, sin/luxury taxes, and tax fees. And that's just for the actually fully undocumented which is only a small portion of the illegal population - the majority of illegal immigrants are not fully undocumented and in fact do pay income tax and social security, which is the only way they could ever possibly apply to SNAP.
Fun Fact 1: being here illegally is a misdemeanor on the same level as a traffic violation.
Fun Fact 2: the vast majority of illegal immigrants flew here on a visa that they have overstayed
Why do all companies think all revenue is good revenue it worked like shit to BFV if something dosent work you shouldnt keep doing it because it wont work
So you don't even know what terrorism is, interesting.
I was referring to the bit about leftists, which, incidentally, is all shit you put in their mouths. So you're a hypocrite with terrible reading comprehension.
Provide a solution that isn't LMAO KILL THE RICH and maybe people will stop calling you fucking communists
>make shit game
>barely anyone buys
>gaslight as to why you made a shit game
STOP BEING GARBAGE AT YOUR JOB!
aaaaaand filtered
>I was referring to the bit about leftists, which, incidentally, is all shit you put in their mouths.
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over California offering free healthcare for illegal immigrants.
Why are people so frustrated with this method? I'm not even american but I think it's a good idea since a few overpopulated states can't dictate the president for everyone else, the president has to care about every single state.
>not realizing he's just LARPing
How are you people this thick? You browse this shithole day after day, year after year, and you still don't realize they might not be serious?
the only reason you see rise of the far-right groups are the leftist crazzines normal people should stop them long ago instead we now have see how these freaks normalizing trans and have no problem pushing this shit on kids
>An illegal immigrant cannot be taxed
you keep saying that
that's wrong
you clearly are a child who has no actual idea how any of this works - you were given your conclusion and then worked backwards.
I pray that one day you will gain critical thinking skills.
Comparing anyone or anything to Hitler makes light of his atrocities.
Is Netanyahu even still in office? I try to not pay all too much attention to the Middle East. Makes for a better life.
>is all shit you put in their mouths
LOL
california is offering free everything to illegal immigrants.
>idpol
I didn't know "concentration camp supporter" was an identity.
>(alleged) genocide
lel, subtle
They literally are, by definition, concentration camps. It's not a "comparison", it's fact.
Compliments will get you nowhere
>>Serial killers are going to very likely be criminals.
>You don't say? You've criminalised their existence.
You are not bright are you?
>because reasons
So they can be cheap slave labor with no rights or benefits.
plus their marketing was so obviously based around killing or harming real people in the real world. they try to play dumb about it, but nobody bought it.
Still crying, huh?
It's not problematic at all. If you're a Nazi or white supremacist, you're a fucking idiot.
Just FYI most civilized people don't see that as a bad thing
>Fighting an occupying army is murder
Why do liberals live rent free in your heads?
well, can't wait for the mass executions to begin! Give the mexicans something to think about if they try to cross the border illegally.
I thought antifa was on the side of jihadists and literal islamic gommunists in the kurds
RtCW remains as one of my all-time favorites, I just can't be bothered to play the wokensteins. New Order was semi-decent but it went downhill with the next installment.
youtube.com
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This guy?
>I didn't know "concentration camp supporter" was an identity.
Painting people who disagree with (You) as [BAD THING] and putting words in their mouth is though, just like (You) love to do.
>um ackshually you're in a bubble
i'm banging your mom, so i'm definitely fucking an idiot ayooo
yeah him, creepy dude
>Fighting fascist with fascist
Huh?
Maybe if they said anything about the game other than "You get to...kill...NAZIS!!!" like that's novel. Every other PS2 game was Nazi shooting.
>I have no idea what I am talking about because I am young and Naive, so I will just project these points on to you
>Nazis used to be placeholder bad guys like Russians so people wouldn't feel bad about killing humans in their games
>Becomes a contemporary political boogeyman
>Suddenly the people that get labeled as said boogeyman don't buy your game because instead of just dropping the game and detaching yourself from this contemporary view of nazis you stress the need to connect your game to modern political statements "Punch a Nazi" "Make America Nazi Free Again"
>Retarded fans try desperately to claim these statements are pure coincidence and claim you're being defensive when you have 2 brain cells to rub together and they try their best to feign ignorance to someone smarter than they are
>you keep saying that
>that's wrong
Different person. You keep thinking goods+services, rent etc. are where the majority of tax comes from when that's false. Those forms of income have severe tax subsidies for businesses, meaning they're incredibly low forms of income for the state. The biggest tax boons come from recurring purchases like store foods, civilian vehicles etc.
You know the only people who get upset when you call them a racist?
Racists.
it's not a concentration camp if the ILLEGAL immigrants can leave back to their home country any time.
they're just exploiting emotional people. because those people are fucking stupid.
Kys
Yeah and North Korea has Democratic in its name and China has Republic, neither which are that. They also claim to be communist when they are also not that. To the Nazis, national socialism meant benefits for ethnic Germans/anyone of true Aryan descent and no one else.
>Not terrorism: shooting hispanics because Fox News told you it's an invasion and they'll vote Democrat
>Terrorism: throwing vegan coconut milkshakes at Nazis
basically all gamers are shitlords and thus deserve to be exploited and insulted. If such a person complains about the service or product they are entitled and thus can be ignored.
I can't believe drumpf won, bethesdabros...
what's really problematic is how awfully boring Wolfenstein II was, along with the woke diatribe it vomits every 2 mnutes, it was such a disgustingly dull game I'm okay not playing anything from Machinegames
Because it's fun to hate.
Personally, I just think the left is by and far more retarded this generation.
youtube.com
Comparing the treatment of criminals in detention centers and the treatment of prisoners in concentration camps is literally wrong, inaccurate and exposes your hysteria.
Only in this shithole could you convince yourself someone speaking plain common sense is LARPing yet the three Nazis getting upset with him aren't
lol get fucked Wokenstein. I would have bought both games, but you had to bring modern politics into the marketing. Oh well!
Just nuke this thread please.
>Fun Fact 1: being here illegally is a misdemeanor on the same level as a traffic violation.
>Fun Fact 2: the vast majority of illegal immigrants flew here on a visa that they have overstayed
Being here illegally isn't a crime period you dipshit, improper entry is.
Unlawful presence isn't a crime because it's punished civilly by deportation. If it were made a crime we'd overcrowd their asses in American prisons and not just deport them.
Brighter than you, apparently.
I just dropped a nuclear shit on your mom (shes into that ;))
Holy fuck lefty internet drones really do have the exact same talking points. Literally to the letter.
I WOULD buy it, if it actually WAS just about killing Nazis and not a retarded random shooter with epic cringe "OH SO FUNNY"'s.
Fuck it, the current games ARE NOT WOLFENSTEIN, FFS.
Do a 1:1 Remake of the first one, and i would buy it instantly.
You literally are a concentration camp supporter, though. If that upsets you, maybe deal with the cognitive dissonance by ending your support, instead of getting mad at the people pointing it out.
At this point I just hate humans in general.
You had the good sense to cover the grave after that?
Why are you for their existence if it just benefits the borgeoisie?
Uh that isn't why that guy shot those hispanics. Have you read the manifesto?
Yes, I'm aware that you are young and naive. That's why you keep insisting that illegal immigrants can't be taxed when that's simply not the case and the only way you could possibly think so is if you've never payed taxes yourself and don't handle your own money.
>you keep thinking goods+services+property taxes are where the majority of tax (income) comes from when that's false
Except it's true, you are confusing federal taxes with state taxes. The majority of federal revenue comes from income and payroll taxes.
>illegal immigrants don't pay income withholding or social security
This is again wrong. The majority of illegal immigrants are documented and pay income withholding and social security. They have to if they want any benefits like SNAP.
Your ignorance is astounding.
shes still alive, she just left you cause she thinks youre a fag
>Those forms of income have severe tax subsidies for businesses
So the businesses are the real freeloaders.
>The biggest tax boons come from recurring purchases like store foods, civilian vehicles etc.
Ah yes, food, which immigrants famously do not need
Even in current German law it's a complete different definition.
>because Fox News told you it's an invasion and they'll vote Democrat
Wasn't it because corporations were targeting them for their products and the guy was a militant environmentalist?
It's literally in his manifesto if you weren't be an disingenuous faggot
there's a retard on Yea Forums who told me it has nothing to do with politics or trump because the sentence "make america great again" was first used by Ronald Reagan
see
I pirated that image
Killing nazi is not problematic, you're game is fucking shit that's why nobody is buying it.
I'm a racist and I don't care in the slightest.
This is your daily reminder that Nazis were the LEAST of Wolfenstein Youngblood's problems. For the next Wolfenstein game they better get rid of those AWFUL RPG mechanics and hire some better writers.
This consistent rattling of polemic is literally why the left has created their own opposition.
She still had both of her legs? Last I saw them they were about 25 feet from her torso.
Why dont we just go to space guys?
hot. go on
It's really not wrong or inaccurate. Firstly, conditions differed from camp to camp. Secondly, people have already died from exposure and disease in the poorly managed American concentration camps, including children. That's how Anne frank died, you know. The poster child of the Holocaust. She never made it to the gas chambers.
Gameplay loop is fine, but setting for it sucks
>Kid probably didn't even know who Reagan was until he googled the term
>A term people haven't used in literal decades doesn't flare up because of recent political campaign, but because of one decades ago
Either he's so stupid he needs to be sterilized or he was being obtuse on purpose because he knew he was wrong.
The ONLY reason someone has to be intentionally obtuse is because they know they can't justify their point and have to make the other person not drill them on the issue, it's disgusting
>Wolfenstein developers are "incredibly disappointed" that killing Nazis is now "problematic"
Probably because ordinary people have been getting called nazis for the past couple years, merely for daring not to agree with the radical leftist agenda.
>fox news bad
>immediately regurgitates CNN talking points
Fuck the media.
It's pretty clear when they say Nazi they arent talking about members of the early 20th century National Socialist German Workers' Part, so I have no idea why they're trying to play dumb
>Unlawful presence isn't a crime because it's punished civilly by deportation.
You mean by incarceration in a concentration camp. Don't tell me that's not supposed to be part of the punishment. It's intentionally inhumane as a deterrent.
People die in prisons and hospitals but it doesn't make them concentration camps. Your definition is ridiculous and inconsistent.
anne frank is my gf btw
Wow, aren’t the deaths up to three, two from young and immunologically weak children? Shit bro, bodies just piling up. We should really have built fucking quarantine rooms for the flu.
Call me when drumpf starts gassing guatamalans
Maybe because your own exact same talking points don't warrant any other responses?
Well shit I guess the Earth is flat
i love punting those little fucks lol
>be me, a young jew in hebrew school in the early 90's
>holocaust unit
>be told while learning about the holocaust and meeting survivors that the last survivors are dying of old age, and that will start a shift where more and more people will minimize or outright deny the holocaust and try to whitewash the history and views of the nazis
>think "there's no way that will happen, people are better than that, Nazis are basically the one group everyone in existence agrees are unambiguously evil"
and look where we are now
I'm not mad, just disappointed.
Criminal lesbians don't make good company.
>Exterminate the exploited proletariat to teach the bourgeoisie a lesson
Fantastic idea, I'll pass it on to COMINTERN
I think it’s more because you lean heavily on polemic to get any point across but aren’t clever enough to come up with your own.
>I-it's literally in his manifesto
>But don't read the other parts though
>law illiterate doesn't understand the difference between detention and incarceration
Don't ever respond to me again with your idiocy
>exterminate
Just send them back home. Weaken the capitalist class by sending these brave workers back home where they can work for a state that REALLY CARES.
>People who thought that the Earth was flat die out
>People start believing the Earth is round
Wtf I can’t believe people would deny the Earth being Flat.
polfags mad
Is she smelly?
got jackknifed by a semi. she got mangled up and flew into a tree with the rest of the car. I was in a coma for 7 weeks but for the first 20 minutes after the crash I was fine. Pretty fun stuff. fuck that alcoholic hag anywho, good riddance.
>I find the thought of salivating over the thought of killing a group of people to be a bit psychopathic
Exactly. Disgusting inhuman nazi faggots just wanting to kill all of the jews. Terrible
It's impossible for anyone to be unambiguously evil.
Life isn't a fucking cartoon retard, besides, the only reason jews died in camps was because supply lines got fucked, and when you're running a prison, who do you stop feeding first, the guards or the inmates?
Got'em
Yeah, well, supporting concentration camps has rightfully earned some opposition too
>R-reread it
>Doesn't mention his point, remains intentionally ambiguous to pretend he has an argument
Lefty rhetoric STRONK
*farts and cums at the same time
>Ha, the buffoon made a technical error, now I will never have to respond to the point
Nigga they're repatriated to their home countries. Unless you're some kind of racist that life in Guatemala is a fate on par with death you're not making any sense.
the US has never been a democracy, it's a republic
Well, no shit.
For some reason the powers that be decided to push it with a method of indoctrination rather than actually educating them.
I think it happened btw.
Like I know this is bait but I gotta point this out anyway, just for posterity.
right and today you jews blame my nation to be nazi and my ancestors saved your fucking grands
ultimate jewery in work, fuck you jews, FUCK YOU, you made me hate you
>Lefty rhetoric STRONK
Think for a second, Jewish user.
The people in this thread are not saying that the Nazi back then were good people.
For that you'd actually have to go to /pol/, and even then it may only be ironic, I'm not sure.
They are saying a lot of people are unjustifiably grouped with them, that are by no means Nazi.
Interesting example because literally no one believed the Earth was flat until a few years ago. It's a great example of how misinformation proliferates in this day and age.
>polfag
Nigger spic gook chink fuck you tranny
>anyone else
Shut the fuck up nazi cúmbrâin
>polfags
CENSOR THAT.... WHITE GENOCIDE AHHHHHHHHH MY FEELINGS ARE HURT PROTECT ME
New Order kicked ass. All the games after it sucked. Nobody complained about the nazi thing because they weren't freaks about it. It was done well, wasn't afraid to have a balance of silliness and darker moments, and it didn't talk your ear off with cutscenes featuring shitty characters nobody likes and that never do anything.
I suck CNN cock
a democratic republic
I've yet to see anything out of you that I haven't seen a hundred times before, you hypocrite.
>For some reason the powers that be decided to push it with a method of indoctrination
What the fuck are you talking about?
Public education on the holocaust is barely existent in the US, you spend a fucking week on it.
>you jews blame my nation to be nazi
lol wat
>and my ancestors saved your fucking grands
what are you trying to say
speak english faggot
I knew it!
thanks for specifying. the world is a better place for it
Or maybe our state should really care.
Loses to Trump because of the stupidity of the electoral college. Doesn’t have a based direct democracy.
Why not make a Beyond Wolfenstein where BJ and crew are fighting the Super Soviets?
Thats because Hitler was right and they know it
>thanks for specifying. the world is a better place for it
Not even the nazis were pure evil, quite a few couldn't handle doing what they did without being drunk as hell
Doesn't mean they were good people who liked the jews but it goes to show that even they weren't cartoon villain tier evil
And history will always repeat itself, although next time it might be muslims all things considered
It's another episode of fragile white kids venting their teenage rage because they can't get laid well into their thirties.
you calling detention camps a concentration ones on par of WWII ones wont make that true
i care about my cummies. why should i care about anything else?
>Public education on the holocaust is barely existent in the US, you spend a fucking week on it.
Oh?
I live in Aus and we spent an entire month on it.
It got to the point where they were just straight up showing Oscar bait trash like the Pianist.
>He thinks I hold allegiance to Trump
Trump is merely a vehicle to the candidate that will eradicate your pathetic brood.
>it's inhumane to detain someone temporarily while they're set up for deportation!
Your idiocy doesn't deserve to be addressed
>Thats because Hitler was right and they know it
Well yeah, he for sure wasn't a leftist.
Should have made a good game instead of spending all their funding on making "FUCK NAZIS" songs
>it goes to show that even they weren't cartoon villain tier evil
Merely as close to it as any actual human can get.
>Interesting example because literally no one believed the Earth was flat until a few years ago
user, Flat Earth theory was the norm in ancient history. The earth being round wasn’t theorized until 6th century BC.
>forcing 49% to do something because 51% said so
>based
>they weren't cartoon villain tier evil
yes they were
constitutional republic
They would be more than ok if they made a multiplayer game similar to RtCW/ET, I wouldn't even care if they slapped microtransactions on it so that the men of onions can continue to support the game. At the very least bring back BJ, get rid of the new annoying protags and tone down the woke talking points
haha awesome image, i love it
Read tale of Tower of Babylon my uneducated friend.
They literally are concentration camps and you resorting to euphemisms doesn't change that. Does it have to get as bad as WWII before you'll admit that concentration camps are bad?
What is that supposed to even mean? Of course there’s a popular vote and regardless of who won that or any election a direct democracy is better.
>Trump is merely a vehicle to the candidate that will eradicate your pathetic brood.
Imagine actually getting fucking uppity about some dead jews.
Jesus christ that's pathetic
>The people in this thread are not saying that the Nazi back then were good people.
Quite a few are saying that.
>For that you'd actually have to go to /pol/, and even then it may only be ironic, I'm not sure.
If you're not sure then you're pretty fucking new. /pol/ was /stormfront/ back when it was still called /new/
>They're saying a lot of people are unjustifiably grouped with them
Without examples or lines of delineation, changing the content of their argument from what you've said there, which should be reasonable, to the idea that all comparisons to anything related to nazis is unfair.
The wolfenstein devs aren't calling you a nazi for not liking their game. That's fucking retarded. They're lamenting that we live in a society where a moderately successful counter-advertising campaign can be run whose content consists of "it's not cool to shoot nazis"
This is asinine
prove it
Here in Sweden we never really focused on the holocaust, we mainly just focused on the war in general from what I remember but we got shown Shindler's List and The Boy in the Striped Pajamas
like i said, you saying x is y wont make it real no matter how hard you push for it
wanna get somewhere? go via proper channels
are you sure? Eugenics was pretty popular in california at the time...
>The wolfenstein devs aren't calling you a nazi for not liking their game.
Thats literally what they were saying for months.
It's inhumane when the circumstances are inhumane, you disingenuous twat. You people always sidestep that by keeping things as abstract as possible and never addressing the reality of the things you're proposing. As if they're just teleported away by ICE.
In case you hadn't heard yet, US public education sucks.
The entire curriculum is essentially held captive by a single corporation that is contracted to produce all of the textbooks and all of the standardized tests.
Concentration camps aren't bad though
kys in a gas chamber
>This is asinine
It's okay to make a statement like that, if you actually want to abolish the electoral college, since you don't think the current system is fair.
"Her" people controlled the US for a long time, and they didn't abolish it. Crying about losing due to it afterwards is not okay in that case.
Trump won according to the rules that everyone had agreed on. You cannot change the rules afterwards, simply because you didn't like the result.
If you had an actual concern beforehand, well, you were in the position to change the rules beforehand. You did not. Shit sucks, but the blame is all on yourself.
>Secondly, people have already died from exposure and disease in the poorly managed American concentration camps
Those american concentration camps should be forced to magically cure the effects of long dangerous (and voluntary) walks through the desert, those heartless monsters
>Didn't campaign in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania
>Wonder how she lost
I voted for her but come on now.
I hope there will be time your kind pays in blood for the crimes against humanity.
Suck my cock bitch boy
>Your country is drowing in debt
>You country is being flooded with Shitskins that hate you
>Your guns are constantly under attack if not taken away from you (europe)
>Your race is being erased and is under attack
But adleast you are not speaking German right?
>spend a week on it
I don't know what school you were in but I had "HOLOCAUST BAD" rammed down my throat every single year and people wonder why I'm falling asleep in class
LMFAO no it's because the game is utter shit
FUCK YOU
BUY THE GAME
Read this.
No, it's what Yea Forums's been telling you for months. You're just too gullible to know better.
>The earth being round wasn’t theorized until 6th century BC.
Which is ancient history.
>you spend a fucking week on it.
that's a week too many, you sniveling kikel
Why should our state care for extranationals?
their game didn't sell because it's an 80 dollar first person shooter that plays like shit, keep hiding behind that controversy though you pathetic cucks.
Yes its society that's wrong, not your game, fucking idiots
sounds like a kike
neogaf and resetera forums meeting, only less fur suits.
at one time i would think that video some sort elaborate farce.
>you saying x is y wont make it real no matter how hard you push for it
Right, concentration camps aren't "detention camps"
fpbp
The men who fought against the actual nazis in WW2 would be called nazis today
>Forcing 51% of people to do something because 49% said so
>b-based?
>In case you hadn't heard yet, US public education sucks.
Oh I know that, I just thought holocaust indoctrination was a top priority.
Or at the very least, they show it when they're relatively young (12) rather than a more appropriate age (16).
>Yea Forums has been lying about devs calling people nazis even though they did and called video game reviewers nazis as well
Guess I'm a nazi now
America criminalising good Samaritans and knowingly and intentionally letting people die in the desert is a related but distinct issue to the conditions of the camps.
>Justification for supporting a failing game and by extension a failing political party is posting soijaks in an attempt to look like you have some control
Orange man bad won't save you from unelectable retards that actually believe in pseudo socialism and open borders you dumb faggot.
I'd rather be a Nazi than an actual retard incapable of figuring out what basic economics and civics is.
>nazis were bad people who wanted to rule the world
Or they were normal people fighting for a different lifestyle than the one now enforced upon us.
Should've let the south secede then.
Or massively restricted the Supreme court when they started acting out of line with their prerogatives.
user, they literally did not do that. You are either gullible or a liar.
>The wolfenstein devs aren't calling you a nazi for not liking their game.
no, they were just calling you a nazi for voting for trump, wanting border security, stating biological facts about sex an gender, etc, and now they are surprised people didn't like that during their ad campaign
They wouldn’t need to die in the desert if they weren’t so motivated to make an illegal action. The American government shoud obviously make the idea of border crossing absolutely abhorrent to save their precious lives.
New Colossus did everything the last game did but stupider. The subtlety was gone, everyone screamed everything and every plot point was loud, dumb and stupid.
Stuff like a black resistance movement led by a lady with an afro bigger than an office desk shouting "YO WHITE BOOOOOOI!!" and a pregnant lady covered in blood shooting double AKs while shrieking, or a serious conversation literally interrupted by a character taking a big shit.
It says a lot that New Order came out before Trump, and New Colossus came out after.
So you are telling me that shaming people into obedience doesn't work and they don't actually buy your product if you behave hostile towards them?
and this is why you will forever be a polfag
>Oh I know that, I just thought holocaust indoctrination was a top priority.
Why would holocaust "indoctrination" be something that a bunch of rich old racist texans give a fuck about?
US Jews have a strong presence in media (because they and the out gays were blackballed in every industry and had to build one of their own), not education.
>Why should I care about human beings from the other side of a line in the sand?
t. deffo not a Nazi
it's a UNITED States for a reason, maybe if it was called FEDERAL States you would bre correct
at least my dick has a foreskin, kike
Yeah it's not like they tweeted Make America Nazi-Free Again
/thread
KILL THE BOOK READING NAZIS
>cut funding to detention facilities
>WTF THESE CONCENTRATION CAMPS ARE INHUMANE AND OVERCROWDED!
wew
Any form of democracy is cringe and just consumerism, including a republic.
It forces politicians to care more about what the average idiot wants than what would actually be best for their country. Just like how corporation are pretty much forced to make brain dead products.
Democracy and Republics do get better when they have regulations on voting, but history proved that regulation can just be voted out with enough propaganda.
They only ever called Nazis Nazis for being literal National Socialists, and you taking it personally says more about you than them
Again, that's just you being way too fucking gullible on Yea Forums
seethe harder lil zoomie
N-n-no muh Reagan, y-you can't prove that Trump popularized the term despite the fact literally no one used it in recent memory prior to his campaign, I've obfuscated the argument! I win!!!!
Gradually I began to hate them.
I don’t care about every human from MY side in the sand and neither do you. Your kneejerk reaction of calling everyone who doesn’t feign empathy for this imagined value of shared humanity a nazi doesn’t benefit you.
>seethe harder lil zoomie
user, I don't know why you keep harping on legality. The Holocaust was legal, you know.
>/new/
Avoided it like plaque, or rather Yea Forums, back then. /pol/ is actually surprisingly decent at times.
Guess most of the scum fled to more welcoming places like thedonald. "Welcoming" in the sense that there will be no objection.
/pol/ is surprisingly diverse in opinion. Feels a lot like Yea Forums.
You literally cannot in any logical way prove that that somehow means "Trump supporters are Nazis". It's literally just an emotional response from you seeing something you recognise as being associated with Trump being also associated with a game where you shoot Nazis and jumping to a conclusion because you're desperate to play the victim.
This, it kinda reminds me when bin laden died and americans were en masse celebrating in the streets. I mean, I get where you're coming from but it's still a human being.
There's (or was) an alt-right reading list doing the rounds, it's obviously what's being referred to here
>game is about freeing America from Nazi control
>devs tweet "Make America Nazi-Free Again"
>you for some reason take this as them calling you a Nazi
I think that says more about you than it does the Wolf devs.
Are you afraid that you're a Nazi?
why is humanism imagined but nationalism is not?
>state a popular opinion
>lol I was only satirically puppeting a common talking point?
>couldnt you tell it was bait?
Room temp iq
Alright, if they weren’t so motiated to take a DANGEROUS, POTENTIALLY LETHAL border crossing. That’s much more sensible than illegal.
nazi detected
you're an absolute brainlet if you think hitler's geopolitical aspirations had anything to do with maintaining a lifestyle. wehraboo shit is posted so much on here, that some retards actually start believing it.
I still remember when I first heard the news and some Muslim chick was in my school right by me.
I was just like "Fuck imagine having to be that kid"
You know people are going to be gloating and side eyeing her the whole time
>Improve funding to concentration camps unconditionally
>Concentration camp guards get new toys to play with
You still act as if cruelty isn't the point.
>Why would holocaust "indoctrination" be something that a bunch of rich old racist texans give a fuck about?
Because the Federal Government pressures them?
Because the people of Jewish descent within those institutions push for it?
There's any number of reasons, pick one.
>US Jews have a strong presence in media (because they and the out gays were blackballed in every industry and had to build one of their own)
Is that a joke? Jews are and were massively over represented in all institutions.
>not education.
That's one of the ones they're most prolific in user.
Do you know what you're talking about?
>video games are fake! they're entertainment! They can't train anyone to be a shooter or increase aggression!
>BUT TRYING TO KILL NAZIS IS EVIL NAZIS ARE PEOPLE VIDEO GAMES ARE REAL LIFE
fucking pick a lane
Well you heard him Trumpies
You can't PROVE they think Trump supporters are Nazis, guess you have to go buy the game now
:^)
It would be less dangerous if, again, America hadn't criminalised helping dying people if they're the wrong race
random, misplaced commas are cool
>Being here illegally isn't a crime period you dipshit
>illegally
>not a crime
breh
Funny thing I actually seen Jews using Chmielnicki Uprising - jew pogroms done by Cossacks/Ukrainians as example of Polish direct guilt and antisemitism
>Jews are and were massively over represented in all institutions.
Oh, so you're just a retard.
I shouldn't have expected better of a Bogan.
No, user, Scholastic is not run by DA JUICE
>Why are people so frustrated with this method?
The only people frustrated with the method are the ones that didn't get the result they wanted for that election. And its the best method for the reasons you just stated.
You severely overestimate the emphasis of the Holocaust in southern public school curriculums. I spent maybe 3 days on it.
It's almost like Nazi enemies in games were okay when they were just people in a group that wasn't around anymore and became a grey area when it became tied to a contemporary present political group further right than communism
You literally can't prove it. It's not logically supported by the facts. It's all in your head. A kneejerk emotional response.
It is, they are both imaginary. Your imagined concept is more ludicrous however.
We just wanted Return To Castle Wolfenstein 2, not feminist and diversity propaganda.
>no argument so i better attack his grammar
>Are you afraid that you're a Nazi?
>are you afraid your a german soldier from ww2
yes i would be afraid that i am a time traveler
>I
no one cares about you, though
>Fahrenheit 451
>alt-right
Who the fuck shat into that bloke's brain?
>resetera
I have no questions remaining.
why are Americans such uneducated fucking morons to think literally everything they disagree with is a "Nazi"?
no really
how the fuck are you people this stupid?
>okay maybe they didn't actually say it but they still committed thought crime so I'll just pretend they did say it
>shooting literally anyone in GTA is A-OK cool beans
>but shooting nazis isn't cool guise we have to respect the virtual nazis right to life
Nah, you're just a waffling faggot
no? they're equally abstract/philosophical/not real.
Not him but
Yeah I would gladly take a Nazi state over this 56% Post marxist kike shithole
Fuck niggers
Fuck Kikes
Fuck Beaners
Fuck Commies
Fuck Jannies
The fact that a significant political movement is associated with Nazis is indeed a problem, if not for the reason you think (but you know that, you Nazi apologist)
who are you quoting?
its funny you think this is a problem only in the US
We have an infestation of commies who want their old fighting buddy back, even if they have to make him up
It's pretty hard to top your mind in evil.
>Allusion to Trump being Hitler and his supporters being Nazis all over the news and the internet
>Make statement about Nazis in a topical political statement explicitly involving the sitting president
What conclusions would any sane person draw from it retard?
Probably has something to do with the fact they have to study the holocaust almost religiously while in school
This post should be used in education in examples of slight of hand.
>Let me just ignore the fact that you are essentially killing conservatives, but the game labels them as Nazis
>Let me also just ignore how the game references Trump with a poorly written ingame novel about his novel
Unsurprisingly it's popular among reactionary children who will read anything about censorship just so they can go "wow, kinda like my political opponents, HMMMM?"
See also: 1984
>Let me just ignore the fact that you are essentially killing conservatives, but the game labels them as Nazis
lol wat
Nigger they're german soldiers in SS uniforms
Did you hit your head?
Electoral college isn't the best method, but it's sure a hell of a lot better that directly voting.
liberal Americans call EVERYTHING they dislike a "Nazi".
pick up a fucking book, you multi-gender retards.
Because GTA is about being a scumbag criminal and most shooters of the 90's had nazis as enemies and the 00's had russians as enemies.
Stop trying to obfuscate shit retard, I'm smarter than you are.
He mad
Empathy is an emotion we objectively have as far as anybody can tell, but stating we can and will apply it to everyone is more ludicrous than limiting it to people that theoretically share some of our cukture and opinions.
Beyond the political bickering stuff, I'm just kinda bored of nazis. It's too easy for devs to just copy paste a generic Aryan dude with an mp40 over and over. Sometimes they add dogs or a juggernaut version, just you don't get much variety.
One of the reasons people still play so much doom is the monster variety, both in their aesthetic and attack patterns, keeps things interesting. You can walk into a room and immediately identify the barons from the mancubi from the revenants and understand how each one of them will attack you. You can vary the uniform colors and guns of nazi enemies but it's still not as immediately recognizable, especially with modern game color palletes.
The enemies in Wolfenstein are literally uniformed card-carrying NSDAP members, though, don't know what you're on about
Yeah, let's allow retard California to dictate election results for 50 states.
>t. retard
>I'm smarter than you are
>that's why I'm out of arguments and misused the word "obfuscate"
cool story bro
give me a single example of a leftist losing their career because the right cultist team on twitter calls them a nazi for some controversy.
>call everyone right of stalin a nazi
>go on stage at E3, your eyes bulge every time you talk about *killing nazis*
>game sells like shit because you’re a soiboy faggot with daddy and authority issues
Country bumpkins aren't intelligent enough to vote for a competent leader.
>Immigrants
>Taxes
Ok buddy they take in far more taxes than they ever would pay into. Not to mention states like California and New York are giving illegal immigrants free healthcare, schooling all on the taxpayers dime without any such option being available for legal citizens.
People can make any kind of assertion or association they like, that doesn't make them true
dilate, lgbt cock sucker
>Allusion to Trump being Hitler and his supporters being Nazis all over the news and the internet
How, exactly, is it alluded to? Don't just quote the phrase again. Explain it. Explain the connection.
>aren't nazis
>literally nationalists
>hmm what changed??
>oh btw anyone who doesn't shove dildos up his asshole, give his son hormone pills, and offer up his wife to get fucked by other men is a nazi :^)
>Shifts the argument to GTA when discussing political namecalling and shitflinging
>Not obfuscation
No, go on buddy.
Prove to everyone here how much less intelligent you are than I am
cause its only americans that do this right
Sure some of them like Irma Grese were cartoon villain tier but not all of them. As I said quite a few couldn't really handle actually killing all those people without being extremely drunk.
Were they good people? No, they most definetly supported it. Were they completely flat cartoon villains? Not all of them
Umm, no, sweetie, you can't prove anything. That's thought policing.
Now buy the game
I'm pretty left leaning but the game feels really shit. Apart from the gameplay being all over the place, the writing is teenage level cringeworthy you go gurl tier.
I guess Bernie is a nazi then. He is literally a socialist
Very few people are smart enough, we should institute voting rights only for people of masters or hugher edcations in hard shience disciplines.
lol, he showed his hand. Modern conservatives are literally Nazis. This is what they mean when they rant about "everyone right of Stalin" being labelled a Nazi. To them, everyone from Reagan to literally Stalin is basically the same leftist cuck.
Okay, Americans and Germans.
better start burning them books then champ, dont want any of that reading shit to happen, the news channels like fox cnn are all you need, and reading was outdated once harrypotter movies came out anyway. now excuse me i need to dilate for a bit
>whether or not it's ok to kill virtual nazis is "political namecalling and shitflinging"
>shifting the argument is the same as obfuscating facts
God damn, you are one stupid motherfucker.
I'm done with you.
>How, exactly, is it alluded to
You can't be fucking real
are you retarded
being a nationalist doesnt make you a nazi
fucking retard
Obama is a nazi?
i know english isnt your first language, but you could try to read anyway. i never contradicted that, only saying its a problem in the western world in general not just the U.S.
why do you want human rights to mudslimes and jews?
they literally used Trump's MAGA slogan to advertise the game.
"make Nazi's afraid again"
HMM WHAT ARE THEY ALLUDING HERE
>DA NADSEES WERE EBIL! DEY BUARNED DEM BOOGS!
pic related
The "Back then nazis" weren't bad guys any more than any other Empire, including the United States.
>Shifts goalposts back to "just vidyagames" and avoids the contemporary use of the word Nazi
>"I-i'll be taking my leave now"
Yeah, you'd better, you fucking faggot
>Oh, so you're just a retard.
No, I'm just stating a fact.
>No, user, Scholastic is not run by DA JUICE
I never claimed that, I said that they are massively over represented.
I was under false pretenses, I thought that both a significant amount of time was dedicated to it, and it was taught at a young age in America, turns out only the second one was true, if is to believed.
>all over the news and the internet
Not him, but try reading better
He's not talking about the game here
Not even alluded, it's extremely blatant
today, I will remind them.
go woke, go fucking broke. and the new game is shit too. KCD is great, no politics, no nonsense.
Underrated coment.
USA really went to WW2 because they wouldn't allow another empire except themselves, not because they believed in real freedom.
Electoral college also lessens the weight of fraudulent votes.
>lol wat
wat like a bat in your butt fucking jew, poles saved thousands of jews during ww2 and jew holocaust
>what are you trying to say
>speak english faggot
i'm speaking english twat
here for example
post-gazette.com
>Holocaust blame: Poland, Israel should work through spat
>There is room for Poland and Israel to resolve a lingering diplomatic dispute over remarks by two Israeli leaders suggesting that Poles shared responsibility with Nazi Germany for the Holocaust.
fuck you jews, first you beg for help and mercy, and then you stab people in the back, FUCK YOU
nazis were ahead of their time
history repeats itself lads, time will come soon enough, we need critical mass
Every argument can be made that. "Globalization" brings balkanization and lack of empathy for fellow people, nationalism doesn't, so even if they are both construct one is a tried and true positive, while the other a dangerous commie dream.
I notice you're not explaining it. Probably because if you were to try to think about how it logically fits, you will inevitably come to the conclusion that it doesn't. So you're left with justifying your initial emotional response by just pretending that it's obvious.
I said "don't just quote the phrase again" idiot.
Taking a potshot at the president's pipe dream of building a wall (something that the actual Nazis in the game reject, by the way) is not even close to calling all his supporters Nazis.
Based
>the writing is shit
>the stage design is lazy
>WWAAAAAAAHHH ITS NOT MEEE ITSSS YOUUU YOU FACKING NAHTTZEEEEEESSS WAAAA
Tumblr/ 10. makes me want to kidnap and rape an antifa member
So you're willing to entertain the idea that what you've been told about how long America spends on holocaust education is wrong when told so by an American who knows better
But when the same Americans tell you that Jews were locked out of every industry but entertainment and that the company with a stranglehold on public education is run by white texans you suddenly know all the facts
Brilliant.
It's the same old shit.
Guy gets powerful, raise a retarded kid, retarded kid impose retarded ideas on the country and everyone suffers.
And the idea this guy have is a radical left shit that keeps getting more and more radical, defining more and more people as Nazis.
Obama is a nazi now.
us nazis clearly won this thread
>I notice you're not explaining it.
Because anyone who isn't living under a fucking rock has seen it, notice how you're mass replying now to damage control the utter BTFO from your garbage ass statement?
Keep defending this garbage and by extension a failing party, dipshit.
>As I said quite a few couldn't really handle actually killing all those people without being extremely drunk.
The only reason I wouldn't classify that as "cartoon villain" is because someone who's so determined to commit genocide that he'll drink himself into a stupor to quell the nagging voice of conscience is a bit grim for a cartoon.
>People in this thread talking about the h*locaust as if it really happened
When are you gonna grow up and stop believing Jewish Fairy tales?
I remember a scene in one of tbe modern wolfensteins where a nazi is talking about going home to his kids and wife while he himslf isnt really doing anything, then you just brutally murder him. Just left a bad taste in my mouth
Anyone else just posting bait from both sides?
>I said "don't just quote the phrase again" idiot
Where's the proof? AND DONT QUOTE THAT PROOF AGAIN, IDIOT!
>old wolfenstein: fun gameplay
>new wolfenstein: a pregnant black lady in slow mo shooting people
it's so fucking bad.
based enlightened centrist
Based
Let me play as the based nazis.
Allied nations are all cuckholded by Israel these days. Japan, Italy and Germany are all known for their top quality cars and cool shit.
Axis had the right idea and every day it becomes more obvious. Jews and the central banks they are genetically predisposed to propping up are a blight on humanity.
>we aren't Nazis
>spends the entire thread defending Nazis.
>clickbait and OP fucking off makes thread hit bump limit
Unlimited (You)s. How do I achieve this power?
But this is wrong
Americans think that every german soldier in WWII was a nazi so it's easy to see how retarded they are as a general population.
no no no. its good
cope
Go back to Yea Forums "Bulge-kun"
every single wolfenstein game is pure garbage, go play a real game like old doom
i shoot a quick sieg heil sometimes accidentally lol
>Because anyone who isn't living under a fucking rock has seen it
I've seen it, and come to a different conclusion than you have, and you are realising that you can't reach me with your emotional arguments.
Tell me your interpretation of the phrase, user. In detail. That would be your proof. The phrase by itself signifies nothing but a desire to oppose Nazis.
it's good (and that's a good thing!)
en.wikipedia.org
Yes, those darn concentration camps that only the Nazi's did, and is not an American thing at all.
No fucking shit. If a certain world-view dominates in the societal discourse to the point of all diverging opinions being viewed as unacceptable, that makes the world look like Fahrenheit 451 and 1984.
You don't fucking say.
How dare people on the right end claiming the same rights as people on the left end!
To the scaffold with those reactionary children!
RTCW was great fuck you
>Emotional argument
I guess being able to piece shit together requires emotional arguments.
Holy shit you're trying so hard, I'd have to say it's cute even
Massive immigration and feminism are destroying western civilization. Countless lives have already been ruined, but the worst is yet to come.
>here's the smoking gun
>tell me what the gun means to you, in detail. that would be your proof!
>So you're willing to entertain the idea that what you've been told about how long America spends on holocaust education is wrong when told so by an American who knows better
Sure, I don't have data on that, and I was going off of how long they taught us for in my country.
>But when the same Americans tell you that Jews were locked out of every industry but entertainment and that the company with a stranglehold on public education is run by white texans you suddenly know all the facts
Yes, because the data does not support that supposition.
>Brilliant.
No, it's actually fairly simple.
If you're done with the snide remarks, we can stop.
Wow. You people are literally nazis. Holy fucking shit.
How is this supposed to help your argument? Do you think people look favourably on Japanese internment camps now?
Delete this right now or I'll laser you god damnit
The cognitive dissonance on this guy is great
Your english sucks.
>muh poland dindu nuffin he a good boy
After being annexed many Poles willingly joined the german army. There were Poles helping the Germans and there were Polish freedom fighters just like every other inhabited country.
Netanyahu and the zionists are cunts, though, not gonna argue on that. US Jews hate what Israel has become at Netanyahu's hands and consider what Israel is doing to the Palestinians to be horrifying and despicable.
You know who in the US supports Isreal's Zionists? The Christian Right.
Yikes, oof, this aint it chief.
yeah, fuck the yellows
The Nazis were shitheads who couldn’t kill a Jew if their life depended on it.
>If a certain world-view dominates in the societal discourse to the point of all diverging opinions being viewed as unacceptable, that makes the world look like Fahrenheit 451 and 1984.
And if it doesn't then you're just a little shit with a victim complex.
Fuck off back to Réddit /r/thedonald fag
Deutschland uber alles
>Yes, because the data does not support that supposition.
Ahh yes, "the data." That data we all know, that is so data-y, and totally supports your view that is completely ignorant of US history and economics.
It's a good thing you didn't post that data about those nasty Juice, we all know what you mean anyway.
You literally can't explain to me how the sentiment "let's get rid of actual literal Nazis," rephrased in such a way as to resemble a Trump campaign slogan, actually somehow translates to "if you voted for Trump you are one of the Nazis we want to get rid of".
>what Israel is doing to the Palestinians to be horrifying and despicable.
>Reluctantly give up some of your hard fought land to a minority group
>They use it to commit rocket attacks against the people that gave them the land
Ah yes, those poor innocent palestinians.
UND. DAS. HEIßT.
this but it also applies to 4chin and lefties.
Getting hard about killing people just because you disagree with them is pretty sick.
Kinda similar to this
youtube.com
The clerk is just minding his own business while the twins kill him and even laugh about it. I can understand making the enemy more human in some games but it's clearly not working here
>polish people get called nazis now
>if you say anything mean about the billionaire businessman criminal that means you're a soiboy beta cuck tranny
Really is curious how the rich and powerful man who has been accused of many sex crimes is historically really good friends with a bunch of sex criminals (which is clearly evident no matter how much he may lie about it) and he seems to like to staff his government with sex criminal defenders, isn't it weird how under his administration (where officials defend sex criminals) prosecution of sex traffickers has dropped immensely?
It would be even weirder if documents came out implicating real estate owned by this man in sex crimes, showing that his land that he owns was used by sex traffickers to recruit children for sex. Haha. That would be really weird, wouldn't it.
It's all 4D chess though, Trump can't be a bad guy, he's b-based!!
Wow, it's almost like using a Trump slogan would bring Trump to the forefront of your mind.
Strange, I wonder what people in general think about Donald Trump and his anti immigration policies
It's almost like you
Can't
Understant
Normal
Thought
Hey, before the English gave it to the Zionists, you know what they called it? Palestine.
you forgot the jews that were selling other jews by working with nazis
>Nazi is used for people with anti-immigration views
>Has literally been an American thing as long as Nazism has been around
I'm not arguing the moral aspect of concentration camps, just arguing that using Nazi against anti-immigration views is retarded.
NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT FAIR
Hey guys isn't it FUNNY how America seems to go to war against all of Israel's neighboring countries?
Isn't that a FUNNY coincidence?
>After being annexed many Poles willingly joined the german army.
>annexed
>willingly
one of my grandgrandgrandfathers joined german army after ww1 but he wasn't a fucking nazi and didn't want to fight with poland or mass kill jews
there's a fucking difference between "poles fought on many fronts" vs "poles were nazi responsible for holocaust"
B-BUT YOU LITERALLY CANNOT PROVE IT
>Wow, it's almost like using a Trump slogan would bring Trump to the forefront of your mind.
The slogan is "Make America Great Again". If you substitute "Great" for "Nazi-free," then all it implies is that you think a Nazi-free America is great.
You're implying a whole lot but all those connections are just gut feeling and generalisations.
DELETE THIS WTF
yeah what did america mean by this
You can question wether or not they really were determined to commit genocide actually. It wouldn't suprise me if qutie a few of them never really understood what it meant or what it would be like and then got stuck in a position where they have to kill the "undesirables" but can't stomach doing it so they had to get drunk to null the senses.
I SAID NO DICTIONARIES!!!!
>Statement popularized by sitting president shouldn't bring him into your mind
That's nice, dear.
Yes, I didn't deny there was an allusion. Now explain how the allusion somehow suggests that Trump supporters are Nazis who need to be killed. Because that part is simply entirely unsubstantiated.
Difference is that Japanese people are more honest that Jews who accuse you of "gassing them" when you ask them to please take a shower
Ummmmm, yea no, sorry sweetie but that's not PROOF
You still gotta buy that game
This HAS to be bait holy shit
Dude, we're adults here, anyone can fucking tell what the statement means.
This isn't some faggot chamber like Reddit, I don't have to prove shit to you, I can just prove it to everyone else and make you look like a fucking faggot clown
What do you think the allusion suggests? In detail, please.
fuck you
Yes, allusions exist.
"Make America Nazi-Free Again" is also clearly an allusion to Trump's slogan, likely because he is tied to the rise of white supremacy.
Still not seeing where you're getting "THEY CALLED ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS NAZIS THEY CALLED ME A NAZI" from except your desire to be a victim
So what if it does? Now you're literally saying "well hey I am made to think of Trump and shooting Nazis at the same time, I am literally unable to reconcile these thought in any way except concluding Trump is a Nazi who needs to be shot"
Is it because deep down you can't imagine Trump not being on the side of the Nazis?
Are you so stupid that you think they evoked the sitting president's image for no reason?
Killing Nazis is great. A Nazi-free America is a great America.
>You can question wether or not they really were determined to commit genocide actually.
Not really, they had already done it earlier in the century with little issue
"white supremacy" only exists in your schizophrenic fantasy world
My genuine reaction to you being mad at all jews because the biggest cunt in Isreal said the true fact that Poland helped the Germans is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>game slogan reminds me of president slogan
Okay but the part where I'm supposed to get the impression that "trump supporters = Nazis" is happening entirely in your head, dude
And before that it was Judea.
>These are the people that vote Democrat
Thank god people like you forget the day the election happens and shit, retard
Who are "they"?
Any good Wolfenstein game had one thing in common, amazing use of the Nazi ideology and the actual events that came of it in a compelling way. It was mature because it was layered, which then makes it feel real and makes you root for BJ. Everything after made the Nazis look like crazed lunatics and stereotypical bad guys, the aesthetics weren't done well or given much thought, black people were blaxpoitational, BJ just kind of feels detached from all because of it, just kind of experiencing it all without actively engaging. It wasn't earned, too simple, immature, and actively sought out political contest.
good question
>Dude, we're adults here, anyone can fucking tell what the statement means.
No, you can't. That's the point. You've just been repeating your initial wrong interpretation for so long that you've convinced yourself it's a fact. Doesn't help that you're very emotionally invested. But it just literally doesn't say what you think it does.
>where I'm supposed to get the impression that "trump supporters = Nazis" is happening entirely in your head
Or literally everywhere else in the modern world?
You fucking moronic tard
>This retard trying as hard as he can to be as innocuous as possible to avoid having to address anything
Kill yourself
In the GAME you fucking nigger. We're talking about the GAME.
I think it might have something to do with the fact that he is associated with a rise in neo-Nazism like suggests, sure. That's just an objective fact. But even then "some" ≠ "all".
>I want your sources
No, you specifically said data. Please show me your data.
>random books about Jewish IQ, how they built the US media industry (which is what I fucking said), and a paper on the Nobel Prize
You're kind of a moron, aren't you?
What's the method of 'freeing' America from Nazis in Wolfenstein? Eradication. Now combine that with them saying that everyone who likes Trump is a Nazi.
>NO
>DESE STATEMENTS MADE IRL ARE TO BE TAKEN IN BY DA GAME WORLD
As did the jews, they were selling other jews and polish people who were harboring jews.
Guess which country has most reward fot aiding the jews during WW2.
I fucking wish they didnt, even if you help them, in some unspecified time they will shit on you and call you evil reponsible for their demise.
he's clearly being disingenuous for (You)s. nobody is actually that retarded
as a white person living in these modern times I literally know now what it must have felt like to have been a slave in antebellum america or a jew in nazi germany...
>Now combine that with them saying that everyone who likes Trump is a Nazi.
They didn't say that. That's the part you're supposed to be proving and so far you can't.
>As did the jews, they were selling other jews and polish people who were harboring jews.
Yes, and?
>I'm not a nazi and my grandfather who was in the german army wasn't a nazi I hate you for calling me a nazi
>JEWS ARE SCUM KILL ALL JEWS THEY JUST SHIT ON YOU
I really don't know why you're so angry about Netanyahu being a douchebag.
Did you have some kind of stroke or are you just underaged
>not a Nazi tho
>desire to be a victim
You are a falseflagging strawman.
Poland as a country did not exist during WW2 because it got disbanded as soon as Nazi Germany took control, so you wrong bucko.
Because I was specifically talking about those that had trouble with genociding people and had to resort to getting drunk when I said
>You can question wether or not they really were determined to commit genocide actually
And then you say they had already done it
To which I have to ask who you're talking about and which genocide
you're both fucking retarded lmao
it's called a history book, my dude
>Trailer at E3
>Nazi America is like the 1950s utopia conservatives dream of
>SS officer asks for your ID
>Boomer father of the protag is also in support of Nazis
Stop pretending to be a moron.
>Some people said a thing
>Therefore some other people probably also think thing even if they don't say it
Okay, cool, cool. So you're probably a Nazi then even if you don't admit it.
I am, you Jew loving faggot
>The Nazis were epic!
Literlaly worse than what they wanted to fight, the Jews supposedly own Europe so let's own Europe, Communism is bad so let's install an ideology based on its elite class. The modern German state is corrupt so let's install a man that did basically anything he did through being bought off by the richest Germans and let's his friends fight and murder each other behind his back while pursuing their own interests despite Hitler being opposed to a bunch of them.
Better, let's grow the believe that Aryans are superhumans by killing millions of them, let teenager and young adult men plunder through the Europe we love, let's pschogically damage millions of strong people that we need, let's displace the people that need to expand.
The absolute state.