Why do warriors suck in this?

warrior is my fav class :C

Attached: 3dmodelofMinecraftPig02.png (800x800, 377K)

Druids tank with Maul (i.e. Heroic Strike) and their epic gear has almost always spirit/int (and rogue gear lacks in defensive stats) so they struggle with threat too much to be reliable. Paladins don't regenerate mana from heals yet so they arent viable tanks either when raiding, leaving warriors as the only legit choice. They work in 5-man environment though due to less geared people and shorter fights.
T. Other

Druids are perfectly fine tanks. Playing on actual Vanilla we had a Druidtank all the way through to Naxx (and halfway through Naxx too).

But there's zero reasons to ever use a Paladin tank. They're a Warrior tank but worse in every single way

>No mana regeneration in tank gear
>No mana/int in tank gear
>Go OOM in 10seconds and now can't use their abilities, if anything happens they can't handle it
>If they itemise for regen/INT they're sacrificing defense
>Much worse version of shield block

There's no reason to use a Paladin tank

They're fine for immersion playing, yeah. If you want to use them for roleplaying/ride to 60, don't let anyone to tell you otherwise and be ready for some votekicks from RDF-era speedrunners if you use paladin since they rarely wait for you to drink very two fights. Just explain yourself calmly and politely when issues arise since most people seem to play WoW as leveling-speedrun-to-endgame-raiding race.

Every class sucks
Warriors suck the most while leveling but they turn into the best and most useful class at max level

If you're using Slam that might be why. It resets the swing timer when cast, so you should time it right after autoattack. That or the servers are just shitting themselves.

Spoken like a true wrathbaby. "Exploring" a 15 year old game everyone has seen before.
"About the levelling" - enjoy paying £120 a year once you are max level with nothing to do because you can't tank

warriors are shit untill they get their good lvl 60 gear, then they become an unstoppable killing force massacring entire groups by themselves

you suck, learn to micro manage

Druid can't tank because bear is too squishy and Pally can't tank because he has no way of generating threat other than Consecrate which does fuck all.
That's regarding vanilla, they fixed a lot of garbage game design in TBC which is why I don't comprehend the nostalgia for vanilla, TBC is where gameplay peaked because a lot of retarded vanilla shit was fixed but the game wasn't dumbed down like it was in Wrath.

bullshit, warriors are a blast at least from what I played on pservers, you can switch between mobs and put a dot on each and have to manage how you fight them, and it's fun charging into fights
Orc warrior a best

Warriors are the most gear dependent class in the game and as such benefit the most from gear upgrades, specifically weapons. A new weapon at any level, especially one of blue quality makes it so you pretty much steamroll through mobs harder than any other class.

They require a lot more finesse and micromanagement to play, and are far more rewarding because of it.

>Want to play Warlock
>remember the pure fucking cancer that is shards taking all your bag space
>remember the pure fucking cancer of being unable to wear any items that look even remotely good and since there's no transmog you can't fix it either
>remember the utter shit bullshit need for every pre-raid grinding if you even want to make healthstones and soulstones because no fountain and shit

I think I'll just go mage.

*with 1 or 2 pocket healers

because once you hit level 60 and get an arcanite reaper you fucking rape everyone

Bear isn't squishy at all. You come into molten core armor capped.

Not to mention that bear generates much more threat which is more important than anything else. When you're horde with a full raid with shaman buffs, you cant damage at full potential when you have a prot warrior

This. Early to Mid TBC was the best of both worlds. I purchased TBC when it was released. Can I play it? No. For some reason blizz still insists you sub for $150 a year to play content you have already paid for.

fucking retards from retail wow thinking anything other than prot warrior can tank a raid

the absolute state of you stupid cunts. If you never played vanilla then don't comment.

>That's regarding vanilla, they fixed a lot of garbage game design in TBC which is why I don't comprehend the nostalgia for vanilla, TBC is where gameplay peaked because a lot of retarded vanilla shit was fixed but the game wasn't dumbed down like it was in Wrath.
Based high IQ poster

>game is min max and theory crafted to death
>Thinks if they bring a paladin tank or a feral dps they wont be able to clear MC

If you are going for realm first then you have to min max but a regular guild who just wants to enjoy the game and clear content you are more than capable of clearing content with a paladin tank

Attached: herejohnny.png (549x604, 158K)

>Early to Mid wrath
ftfy

Druid cannot raid tank
Paladin absolutely cannot raid tank

You fucking stupid nigger faggot have obviously never played classic.

Druid tank is the absolute best during progression on most bosses in MC, and the best for farm on all because of the extra threat. It's what every speedrunner uses because threat becomes a nonissue

Paladin tank will FACTUALLY never EVER clear AQ and Naxx, he will also struggle on half of BWL.
Druid at least can last through everything except Naxx.
Your shitty Paladin will never be invited to anything other than 4 Hoursemen as """tank""" in Naxx.

Prot Pally is a joke and Bear is situational/off tank at best.

Prot Warrior is the ONLY choice for meta so much so during Black Temple they flat out admitted the mechanics/coding was designed with them in mind

Warriors are the only viable tanks in classic you retarded zoomer.

Warrior is great cos there's no bullshit you have to put up with. No healing people, buffing people, collecting soulshards, making food/water for 39 other retards, no stealthing away like a bitch, no autoattacking praying for a seal to proc etc. just balls to the wall fun and slaughter

You are categorically wrong
The game starts at 60. It always started at 60.

The whole point of the game is to get raid epics and then go to redridge mountains and kill every newbie and NPC until you make people either quit or log onto their mains and have a huge war of horde vs alliance.

enjoy giving food to every slacker poor brazilian unable to buy his water and food

This. TBC fixed some of shit vanilla gameplay without ruining tut community like Wrath did. Sometimes quality of life changes were needed.

>everyone falling for this shit bait

He might aswell have mentioned DK and DH yet you retards would still reply.

but in TBC warris were again the best tanks and pally tanks were still oom machines while druid tanks took crushing blows left and right, total nightmare to heal.

wotlk finally fixed class balance.

Now if they just added LFG we'd be good to go, faggot

i did say their good lvl 60 gear

Giving out food/water is much less tiresome than giving out candies and stones as warlock.
Since all you need to give out food/water is mana and you have endless supply of it thanks to your own water.
As lock, you need to actually fucking grind shards pre-raid to be able to sustain everyone and if that was a one-time thing it wouldn't be so bad but considering you will be doing it before every single fucking raid night it will end up driving you insane.

t. Guy that played Lock in Vanilla and TBC and swapped to DK in WotLK

>*mage casts frostbolt*

>wotlk finally fixed class balance
This please. Naxx/Ulduar wotlk was objectively peak wow. Any other opinion is biased by nostalgia.

Attached: i came here for (you).png (687x818, 406K)

Feral druids are extremely hard to gear until you start getting weapons with feral weapon power.

MC, BWL guilds are not going to want to gimp themselves with a dumb cunt feral druid. Go resto or kill yourself, cuck.

a lonely warrior in leveling gear, pulling multiple mobs?
and surviving that?

thats absurd.

Attached: 1561138859481.jpg (450x360, 61K)

Kill yourself for thinking any TBC player wants LFG.
We just want TBC class balance/QoL.

Heck, I'd be perfectly fine if they used TBC engine/mechanics, but simply capped the level at 60 and locked out portal to Outland and removed JC related trainers and items.

i was a mage in vanilla . just wanted to help prevent a overflow of mages in case i care enough to resub for this

Warriors are shit in leveling, OP when they hit max level.

Just grind with a healer friend, it's quicker and more enjoyable.

Fuck off back to retail

This guy played Vanilla. The South Shore server wide pvp fights were the best.

please don't say the m word here

True.

Reading comprehension you autistic moron. Without ruining the community I said. LFG ruined the community.

you also see the ghost realm a lot.

it was like that around level 10, at least

Feral literally have their bis at level 40
You come into MC tankier than warriors. You generate more threat and with only blues and greens

>TBC
>without ruining tut community
Yeah, that's why Blizzard had to disable most of pre-WotLK event, because community was so good and totally not complained how they can't jerk their non-existent dick inside auction house. Right.

>he will also struggle on half of BWL.
He will die long before that. Paladins are not tanks, period. Druids are not reliable tanks in raids. they are on the level for.

>LFG ruined the community.
das rite, worst feature that.

>Naxx wotlk was objectively peak wow.
ahaha fucking wrathbabbies

Best Exploration/Levelling - Classic
Best Class Design - MOP
Best Raiding - WoTLK
Most Fun - BC

Being a lonely warrior grinding to 60 in vanilla...

Is it truly worth it?

Attached: 0.jpg (500x500, 95K)

Tbc ruined pvp but fixed pve

RETAIL BABY FUCK OFF

I mean, I saw Pally Tanks clear entire MC, it's hard and requires the raid to know what they're doing (so pug won't work), but doable.
But yeah, beyond MC/early BWL they won't do shit.

>No RDF nor other QOL bullshit
>All classes completely viable, some specs viable for the first time ever
>Best PvP seasons before lolmourne ruined balance
>Ulduar is the best raid ever

Early wotlk is peak wow, period. If you think otherwise you're biased and full of shit.

>Tbc ruined pvp
How did resilience fix it? All it changed was actually give people an incentive to do PVP.
Also you're a retard if you used your raid/PVE set in TBC when just going around the world/farming.
You wore the PVP gear for world and PVP, and put on the PVE/raid gear for raids and dungeons, simple as fucking that.

>How did resilience fix it?
Ruin it*, my brain is fried from the heat wave.

not really. pve meta in tbc was stacking locks and rogues and maybe a mage or two and a well geared warri. hybrid classes were useless and forced to only heal.

>vehicle boss raid
sure thing underage . best raid ever

>They only suck until 60
LOl i remember this fucking meme

are you implying that fury warriors are bad in classic endgame?

Cope harder faggot

im impling that warriors might actually be one of the worst classes in classic

Because if you didn't have the magic resilience stat then you literally didn't PvP.

Classes don't get fun to play until WOTLK

>/pol/tard name drops /pol/ and starts sperging out about antifa and "lord kek" in durotar chat
Home. Just like I remember.

Attached: 1533492128533.jpg (247x260, 16K)

>wotlk
>best pvp seasons
holy fucking lol

>get a shaman to level 10
>can't duel wield
What's the point?

The first season of WotLK had the worst PvP imbalance in the whole history of the game.
More than half the combos in high level 2v2 was DK/paladin.

There's fuckhuge gap between "hit 60" and "endgame".

Absolutely

They don't even have some kind of Buff for the group/raid?

So you bring one in case the main tanks fuck up, or if there's aggro like that.

Considering TBC to be the pre-wrath patch. How fucking stupid are you?

Fuck off no one wants you for dungeons either

>pre 3.02
>mmm this community is so good, bc is the best
>only few hours later, after maintenance
>this is the shittiest community ever, fuck wotk
Really makes you thing.

Really fucking stupid. Thanks for confirming. Sorry you got so assblasted by the event wrathbaby.

>Druid and Paladin
>tank
oh no no no

>mana pots
>have more than one consecrate pally
>run through trash like 90 times faster since they can actually hold aoe aggro
The faster you can tear through trash the faster you can tear through the bosses and finish the raid.

never played WoW, are the capital cities meant to feel busy? i just checked out stormwind and ironforge on a full server and it wasnt hugely populated, is it a time of day thing or is there another place where everyone hangs out?

Lads, is it best to jump in now to keep up with other people, or...

... is it okay to wait a week so I have no queues? Can I still catch up with people who are ahead then?

>they only suck until you finish the game

Because it's the best class in the late game
worst and most boring class to level up though

Yikes

everybody is leveling right now and out in the world

capitals will be packed when a lot of people are hitting 60

A ton of people are going to play later like you. Hitting 60 a week after other people isn't going to be an issue.

>TFW everyone shitting on Druid tanks and saying they're not viable
>But my Guild in actual Vanilla got server 2nd C'Thun and halfway through Naxx with a Druid as one of our tanks

They're bullshit to gear and have to wear a whole lot of funky stuff, but Druids are perfectly viable tanks. They're better than Warriors in some cases.

Paladins are unviable, but Druids are fine.

No, you use Warriors for that. The Fury Warrior puts on a Sword+Shield, gets in Defensive Stance and tanks.

Most fights need 1 tank, but some need 2, 4, or up to 8. That's where your offtank Warriors come into play.

You're not missing anything, there's an advantage to coming a little later, since there'll be people who're actually selling things on the AH at reasonable prices, and who want to buy all the lowbie stuff you're farming at high prices.

Wait a week or longer for sure.

alright, thanks anons
gonna wait a week

What
said. It gets more populous when there's more high-levels hanging around, people playing Auction House and after Goldshire larp / dueling in front of capital starts kicking off. The capitals seem to be rather populated even on private servers, so it's probably just a leveling "issue"

thanks for the explanation, after people start hitting 60 does this mean that the starting areas are gonna be a lot emptier for any new toon we make also?

My fav part. If you're enhancement, get as good two-hander as you can, start the fights from range with lightning bolt and swap to melee/shocks as soon as the mob is in range. Works until something like lvl 20 and feels much more how hybrids should work.
Vanilla doesnt give you all power at once so getting that sweet Air Totem and Windfury weapon will rock your socks off.

Of course

druids are literally not viable, they cannot be immune to crushing blows and you will never do the hard parts of naxx with druid tanks.

t. someone who did naxx

Yeah, l have no numbers but I think its fair to say that something like 50% playerbase is level 20 or less. If the server can handle, say, 1000 people at most that's 500 people in first few zones.

So how did you deal with 12k hateful strikes and soft enrages without cooldowns? Just curious because I played warrior in Vanilla and we only got few bosses down due to our healers running OOM despite everyone being decked out and having enough DPS to not get any hard enrages.

> tfw tanked DM and gnomergan as a paladin just fine
Heh, nothing personal, dps players
*finds group immediately*

I blame layers
Was in an empty one then joined another one in order to buy bags, city went from empty to full in 3 seconds

>they fixed a lot of garbage game design in TBC which is why I don't comprehend the nostalgia for vanilla
thank you
I always thought it would have been better if they used that pre-TBC patch while keeping the rest of the classic shit, then it hit me that itemization is another sad fuckery on its own and talents/skills alone might not be enough

how do you join a new layer?

youtube.com/watch?v=NXX8URSUWm0

i'm playing a warrior. my friend and i, a shaman who can heal me, have just reached level 13 so soon we would like to try a dungeon. does anyone have any tips, guides, or bits of wisdom to share for tanking dungeons? i don't think i'll ever tank raids, hopefully just dps in them, but i feel like i should have some idea of what to do in 5 man dungeons as a tank.

Attached: 1425864375755.png (593x513, 493K)

Do you know that tank means? It means you must tank your group

>playing warrior this release
>currently level 18
>can't clear a single mob alone without having to sit and eat

THE WARRIORS WAY

Attached: 1566824748001.jpg (1920x1080, 148K)

>>Best PvP seasons before lolmourne ruined balance
I give you everything,in terms of class balance and viability.
But s5 was the worst Season ever,it bascially boiled down to this:
2v2 Rank1=Either Paladin/DK or Paladin/Survival Hunter,maybe some extremly skilled Priest/Rogue or Priest/Mage.
The combo of Paladin/DK was 18% of gladiators,even S3/4 with Druid/Warrior or Rogue was only at 12%.
You will never have a more absurd OP Class than s5 Dks,there were Videos of DKs at 2300-2400 Raiting with a 1 buttom macro.Also Druids and Warriors didn't exist in s5 at all.Druids needed DKs to be gutted(they had a strike that removed hots) and warriors got big changes in the Arms tree at the start of s6.
S6/7 were the only "balanced" Seasons of Lichking.At the start of Woltk it was Dk/Pala being horrible OP,at the end it was Warriors and all Casters.Even s7 had problems with Castercleaves and Warrior McThundercock raping you with his ARP stacking.S8 was a horrible season though,just because Warriors became the number 1 meele by a wide margin and casters had absurd haste raitings.I remember my mage twink having a 0.4 or 0.5s sheep time with trinkets procs/set bonus and icy veins.

S6>S2/S1>S7>S3/4>S8>S5

t.tbc/woltk Rogue gladiator

Get Defensive stance and shield. No idea how Warriors play in Nostalgia, but in retail vanilla your pull went typically like this:
Battle Stance -> Charge -> Thunderclap (couldn't do it in Defensive Stance on retail) -> Defensive Stance -> Sunder Armor on main target, keep other mobs on you by applying Sunder every now and then or using Cleave instead of Heroic Strike if you have extra rage and there's only one extra mob.

You switch layers when joining a party

thunderclap is shit, you AOE aggro with battleshout 100% of the time
-t private server nigga

Attached: me and the boys watching the psyker burn.jpg (1229x615, 447K)

how big should i be pulling?

Warriors dont suck, you do. Just quit it, game is not for you. Give up and fuck off to BfA.

Never heard anything like this when I played. Then again, it has been decades so I may be misremembering things.
If the posted is correct, Battle Shout gets you best threat, go for it for AoE tanking. Thunderclap requires Battle Stance and has (had?) limit of something like 4-6 targets so there's no point in using it if Battle Shout works for unlimited amount of mobs with better threat and no cooldown.

They wont, layering kills capitals

Start off small, with single packs (so typically 2-5 mobs) until you feel more comfortable. If Battle Shout works for AoE threat, you can always just start off by marking main target (keybind this raid mark to something easy like F1 so you can quickly mark mobs), tell everyone to focus main target down and just swap between Sunder Armoring main target and Battle Shouting when necessary.

be careful who you make fun of at level 20

The entire niche of a Warrior is that they are gear-dependent. When leveling, you are constantly outscaling your gear. Hence, why they suffer

I'm leveling a chad druid and after I got bear form I can go 1v3 easily, heal up to full, repeat. My mana is always back by the time I leave bear form.

I'm also a far superior tank for 5-mans. :)

I'm waiting 2-4 weeks personally, for queues to die and casuals to fuck off.

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRVNabnxWQoq4Ya_cNDMKuZJwf9zbfzWhe3qf6d08gEk3OuJJ_z_zgERPRaDioAGux14ORx6thE6Hub/pubhtml#

Time to settle this with hard facts. Ferals are fine and out-threat any other class at any tier, Paladins are fundamentally broken and can't do much of anything, Alliance has notable PvE favoritism and Defense cap isn't super necessary

Just wait 'til you get Swipe. Thorns + Swipe gets the two mobs down to

Crushing Blows aren't a huge deal. More HP and Armour than Warriors is better overall than eating a Crushing Blow every now and then, it evens out the same or better.

We never had a Druid tank Patchwerk, or MT. But there's no reason to act like the MT is the only Tank. There were 4 Warriors and 1 Druid, and we all tanked.

What level can you start to do dungeons

Use Cleave, TClap and Demo Shout for AoE. Use Shield Block -> Revenge + Sunder for single target. Use Shield Block each time it's off CD and Sunder each time you've got nothing else to use.

Tanking is fun, have fun!

>Druid cannot raid tank
Paladins are absolutely out for tanking but guilds who want to have the best clear times in raid will have to switch to druid wherever they want it or not because a bear completely shits on war for threat generation which allows DPS to go full retard damage-wise in fights.
That's without even talking about all the cheese tank druids can pull (fall damage or poly ignore). The only real problem of druids as main tanks is the fact that they can't reach the uncrittable status which makes them less reliable for fights that don't feature shit that go through the WAR's shield mitigation.

Even if they aren't MT (as you usually won't want them in that role unless you want to go fast) druids are pretty useful since a feral druid will bring more damage than a slightly tank-specced WAR if you don't need to tank 24/24 and they also usually thrive on drops almost no one else wants, limiting the risk of not having a raid strength increase after a fight because it dropped shit.

Honestly, if I have to rank druids and war depending on raid progression it would go like:
Starting MC:
Druid >> War. Druid has access to absolutely ridiculous BiS items at that stage, some of them not being replaced until AQ40 because of how good they are and they usually have better and easier to access fire resist items for fights that need it.

Starting BWL:
War >= Druid. Wars at that stage usually have the problem of having to choose between mitigation and threat gen, druid have the middle ground in both which can be sub optimal for some fights

Ending BWL:
War >> Druid. War's T2 is just that fucking good while druids don't have huge upgrades outside of the bulwark.

AQ40:
War >= Druid. That's where blizzard started to add really feral oriented gear like the well known blessed mace.

From what I remember Nax was pretty even especially since druids started to get bullshit feral items that where the best for both a tanking and a DPS spec.

Good post, finally some facts to back shit up. Bookmark'd, gonna read later.

they're supposed to team up with other players more than other classes
if you don't want that, play them as an alt with pimped out gear

Interesting, we felt that Druids were falling off pretty hard at T3. Maybe it was just our druid tank's personal failing then. That or unlucky RNG with crit+crushing blow rolling together. Personally I feel safer with the shield block granting pseudoimmunity to both of those. Either way, thanks for the reply. I'm not yet playing Vanilla but you got me thinking about trying a Druid for tanking.

i have less of a problem with people claiming that druids are sorta viable tanks than i do with people claiming that paladin tanks are viable under any circumstances that aren't extremely, extremely niche
put on the dress you fucking bitch

Attached: 1476245176410.jpg (250x238, 33K)

No Taunt, a lack of any dire necessity for AoE tanking in raids and the worst of both worlds between Feral-style incoming damage and Warrior-style health pools supports this

>charge doesnt work in combat and gets out ranged by everything so it never works
>need more rage
>need to reserve rage to use pummel in case of spell
>pretty much fucked if cursed and no backup
>need more rage

>He's not level 30 yet

Attached: 1474279523357.png (1280x720, 1.01M)

I honestly think this argument from the spreadsheet is enough to justify a Feral by itself:

>Ferals allow tanks to absorb tank gear faster

This topic is not tied to the analysis at all however it is extremely valuable to mention. Having a tank in the core who needs almost no gear used by tanks is a huge benefit to the raid overall. Druids are only interested in cloaks, necklaces, and rings, most of which are often minor upgrades to warriors. None of the tier gear is an overlap with warriors which means all of the warriors get their gear that much faster.

Big deal you may think. This is a topic that is the most important for Naxx progression. 4 Horsemen virtually requires all tanks (8 tanks!) to have at least 4 pc of tier 3 gear. You of course have your main tank and hopefully 2nd tank decked out in 7/8 tier 3 gear as well and maybe even your 3rd and 4th. To have a tank not need tier 3 gear and still to be able to tank 4h is a big deal and greatly relieves the stress of gearing up what's needed to make that fight possible.

As an anecdote, the guild that I progressed through Naxx in had a running meme of rogues not getting any tier 3 gear (because it was rightfully all going to tanks). It meant weeks to months of tanks gearing up and rogues getting cranky (QQ more). Well we had some holiday troubles right when we were comfortable with the 4h fight. We lost a couple of tanks and had to get some new ones geared up. The rogues literally went on strike because of it. I know this is the best kind of vanilla drama but it exists. It's real and there is an impact. And it's the worst once you get to tier 3. Not having to gear up a tank with the traditional gear is absolutely huge. In saying that, druids need to get that priority on that gear that they do need. Rings and cloaks are massive improvements to gear, far more than they are to warriors. That should be taken into consideration.

Attached: 1535082424260.jpg (1277x725, 390K)

>Muh fear waed
>Muh blessing of salvation

Why do horde never use tranquil air totem?

Because it only affects a group instead of a raid and overlaps with Windfury totem

>Was getting my ass absolutely handed to me at level 12 as rogue
>Had all white gear except for my chest piece with 2 agil on it
>save up ALL my gold from vendoring leather from skinning and almost everything i owned that i didn't need to continue
>Jew my green drops i could use in general chat selling only a few silver above vendor price
>save up a mountain of silver
>spend ALL OF IT on gear appropriate green agility pieces and some great swords, fuck backstab.
>Now i'm an unstoppable killing machine blasting through the game, already level 14
I can actually play the game now wtf

What the fuck are the caster groups gonna do with windfury than? Is it really favoritism if horde have a choice in the matter and alliance don't?

>vendering leather from skinning
have you tried selling it at the auction house?

Who's actually going to be buying it at this point?

There's no economy for it, at least on my server.

absolute state of you retailbabbies

classic warrior is literally EZmode compared to nost/nd/lb

you dont even have to lvl cooking for food anymore

It's not worth it, the economy is still growing. I get more silver, faster and efficiently than selling one at a time instead of bulk (Because right now that's worse than vendoring on my server). Honestly i wouldn't make much more that way anyway, i'm getting fucking tons of silver quickly just by passively skinning corpses people leave behind. That is the real money but you can get a huge boost by finding boe greens and trying to sell them in general. The problem is everyone is hurting for silver and gold right now so vendoring it isn't a bad option either if you need gold quickly, it's not that much of a net loss overall considering the time it takes and the position and level most people on the server are in.

You would still have to saturate your raid in Shamans to get half the overall benefit that 5 Paladins would give, and Paladins still also have Kings and Devotion Aura to make Alliance tanks straight up better.

No one has the gold to buy it and people are too busy being out actually leveling. Personally if I were him I'd either use it or bank it for selling on the AH later but I can see the merit to censoring right now.

You don't need tranquil air on every class, just the furtbwarrriors and warlocks. Hell you don't even need more than one, just have the shaman in the melee group tranquil for the first twnety seconds till the Mt has a good lead and then switch to WF or is that too high of a skill cap?

Just did Hogger
We're home :,)

you only needed to upgrade your MH but yes rogues have a 1:1 gear quality to leveling quality

I don't understand your issue, OP. I'm enjoying leveling my warrior, currently in my mid-teens, taking my time and enjoying Darkshore while racing my way towards obtaining classic.wowhead.com/item=5614/seraphs-strike

I'm enjoying the surgical feel of it all, pulling from afar to only pull one or two at a time around dense questing camps. I hit rend, let my dude auto-attack for a few seconds, battle shout if my old cast is about to fall off, maybe hamstring if the enemy type runs or if I want to strafe-kite for funsies. I'm enjoying myself, personally.

Attached: seraphs-strike 81 Damage sword on a late teens early twenties quest.jpg (854x152, 32K)

If you can buff, be a bro and buff every player you see.

vanilla is desperately in need of a balance pass but making warriors ""fun"" is definitely not what it should be doing

It's still working harder for less of an effect.

Undead warrior was the first character I ever leveled in wow, it was quite a challenge but worth it.

>Wake up >Join queue >7 hours later still in queue >Have go to work soon

Oh

Druids tank naxx.

I’d play warrior just to tank dungeons and raids. But in my experience everyone ninjas your gear with the age old “I need gold.”. And fucking do’s warriors trying to get your drops for none of the work. Think I’ll be rolling rogue to kill faggots.

Go to server select, select one that isn't high pop, get through to the character selection, then swap over to your realm to bypass it

Playing warrior, it can be annoying at times but I enjoy the challenge. I literally have to craft my own gear from blacksmithing just to have something somewhat decent.

>vanilla is desperately in need of a balance

If you care so much about balance then why don't you roll what is the most OP class? Oh right, that would make you acknowledge you suck at the game wouldn't it?

this deleted my character dont try it

I'm leveling a paladin but also crafting my gear, it's pretty fun dicking around with professions at a low lvl

Shaman are better tanks than Paladins in almost every feasible scenario, including raids. Protadins are a fucking joke.

what the fuck are you on about

Why the fuck are you so bad at the game?

>overall best dps

good lucking topping any dps meters this year idiot. shit gear and 20 other dps warrior to compete for it. lol

>Even in RFC when I was tanking with a grey shield and everyone was poor a huntard needed on a solid level 11 shield
>switch to my 2h weapon
>everyone starts getting all butthurt because im not "properly tanking"
nothin personel..

>including raids
Only wrong part of this post, Shamans have no itemization for raiding and some bosses like Garr are just immune to 95% of their damage, they are down-low godly at 5-mans though

>Never see any Shaman tanks
I hope I do see some while leveling, I always wanted to see it in action

still not sure who you think you're responding to

>you need shield to tank.
The only downside is the swing timer on a 2h and obviously less armor. You can literally cheese rock with bullshit since it’s so low level.

Oh sorry Kungen I didn't know you shitposted.

Paladins have no itemization for raiding either. Pallies can kinda try to be a gimpy Warrior by cobbling together some of their off pieces, but they can't hold threat in Warrior gear. Shaman on the other hand mainly take Hunter gear with stam/agi which gives them stam/avoid/crit, and the crit keeps flurry up which makes their threat gen easier to sustain.
Was Garr really nature immune? I'm sure he could be held with rockbiter alone since most of the fight is spent dealing with adds, but I only ever tanked said adds.

Earth shock does a fuck ton of threat. I’ve seen it pull mobs with three sunder armors off warriors. The just need a lot of healing and can’t do it themselves because of the pushback.

also enjoy everyone asking all the time

>why are you not tanking faggot

Paladins suffer in raids from having no hard taunt, and the worst of both worlds HP pool of a Warrior and the incoming damage rate of a Druid. Shamans also lack a hard taunt, and would take even more incoming damage and likely have even less HP, and substantially less Defense which would lead to legitimate one-shots. The threat would be leaps better and OoMing not as much an issue, but I simply think they will hit a wall eventually without overgearing the raid

>take Rend off your bars
legitimately retarded lol

I mean for raiding that's good advice, but dungeons nah

I wanna level my professions shutit.

Attached: 1471432607728.png (565x565, 108K)

This. Nobody seriously looks at Rend doing flat damage and Arcane Shot and Serpent Sting scaling off a stat hunters never gear for and goes "This is fine".

Although JC would be fine 1-60 since you don't learn socketed gem recipes until Master tier in Outland.

its easy to ignore pserver idiots posting how druids or paladins are viable tanks in vanilla, but when you get a moron babbling about shaman tanking it always makes my blood boil.

Attached: 1565210825820.jpg (2048x1536, 1.16M)

>Classic comes out
>retail instantly becomes a FF14-tier tranny containment zone
Loving
Every
Laugh

Attached: 1567003157891.png (1090x901, 1.29M)

But private server mobs are harder than Classic's, so anything they can do there they can do in Classic even better you dope.

>Play on herod for 5 hours this morning
>Server shut down for 15 minutes happens
>5k queue to get back in
FUCK. Early in the morning has been the only time i actually get to play.

please fuck off its too hot outside to get triggered

Same but i literally do not care how long it takes for me to get to 60 from launch as long as its before the server first rag

What talents should I prioritize for frost mage? I'm 16 and my frost spells don't seem that good so I still use fireball a lot

Ulduar patch was peak WoW, all downhill from there

Attached: Ulduar-WoW.jpg (1280x720, 150K)

The fuck are you talking about? Using the ham string method and chain pulling has activated my almonds more than any system in any mmo I have ever played and I’m only level 18.
You are literally just playing the game wrong

a Paladin would have to choose between having worse health, worse avoidance or worse threat generation than a Shaman, and having plate alone doesn't make them much less squishy once you factor in buffs (mainly the crit heal one and stoneshield). Especially since they can't attain the absurdly high armor of a Druid and they lack the flat 10% DR from the Warrior's stance, they might as well be a Shammy wearing mail. Defense as a means of avoiding crits is mostly useless unless you gear for the defense cap, which is difficult for Pallies (near impossible for Shaman) and comes at the cost of just about every other important tanking stat. They can't avoid crits actively either through blocking, as they can't achieve the 104% collective block/avoidance to push those and crushing blows off the hit table. The only bosses where getting crit is enough of a problem to warrant gearing for in earlier raids are Broodlord and Bloodlord, though.

That being said, I hit a bit of a soft wall after BWL and didn't really find Shamans brought anything useful to the table as tanks in AQ. Maybe Paladins can find a way in AQ/Naxx?

Strange way to misspell Karazhan, my friend.

I'm taking it slow but i want to keep playing because it's fun.
LET
ME
IN

>"Exploring" a 15 year old game everyone has seen before.
>as in its been 15 years since we had the chance to do this fresh
>thinking people aren't nostalgic for this

Wow. You're retarded. Keep using wrathbaby as an insult, zoomer. I'm sure you picked it up on this board 2 days ago. People see right through you and lying to be cool on an anonymous imageboard will never not be pathetic no matter what you tell yourself.

Any talent that has synergy with your chill effects, and Winter's Ice to increase your critical strike multiplier with frost spells. Fire spells hit harder base, but Frost does massive crits and gets a substantial increased crit chance on chilled enemies.

God I fucking hate elves.
I hope every tranny asking for High Elves in retail gets anal cancer.

>They only suck until 60
This game is levelling to 60, nothing else. Don't fall for the 'classic raider btw' meme.

I want to take it slow sure but I also want to be guaranteed a raid spot because i always go on new servers solo and the best way is gonna be making an early show for server mc clears considering how goddamn competitive people are these days

Everything dipped down in quality after Vanilla, TBC was boring and began the process of homogenization, WoTLK started the trend of Blizzard realizing they could cut massive swathes of content from their expansion and nobody would notice (also release DKs hahahaha fuck off), Cataclysm however had a brief, shining, glorious moment at its onset where it was the true peak of WoW, before its heroic nerfs. It was truly the perfect amalgamation of classic and new-age mechanics, until they dropped the ball hard.

>game starts at 60
Cringe and bluepilled get that shit out only a limp wristed tranny sees in appeal to classic raids

Whats with all the raid elitism going on? You're not experienced badasses or anything, you're just nerds with too much free time on your hands so turn it down a notch with the aggression. Not everyone has the time or patience for it.

Thats why people play prot for offtanks right? and have in AQ and Naxx?

not even that. its 1/3 pserver retards and 2/3 of people who never raided just read about it.

If you have your entire raid working in tandem to carry your lack of a taunt, yes you can bring them. You can also have a Hunter tank Nefarian with that kind of coordination.

>I hit rend
You already fucked up

Which is what the community wanted retard. A majority of wow realized how trash the end game over content was and only wanted to pvp but didn't like pve players shitting on them with half the skill. So they introduced pvp gear that you could only get via pvp which only bad players cried about at the time.

Unless you can kill a mob in 9 seconds Rend is almost always more damage per rage.

OTs don't usually need a taunt, hell the MT technically doesn't even need one until AQ since the OTs are the ones who have to taunt the drakes in BWL. Most of the early endgame isn't even tauntable.

I mean if people waited 15 years then it must have been pretty good.

... than Heroic Strike, that is to say

Druid, yes. Paladin, LMAO.
Don't forget they have no taunt. Paladin tanks are completely trash tanks.

>I WAS MERELY PRETENDING

Holy shit you didn't play wow pre wotlk stfu tranny cata was by far the worst expansion ever

Reminder to alternate between wanding + melee if you're a warlock and priest.

You can do some good damage if you have a slow hard hitting stave aslong as you wand between your melee strikes.

Armor capped but they don't parry or block. So they will take crushing blows.

It's more than 2/3 lol. Not personally playing classic cause I don't have the time and don't have fun leveling/grinding like I did as a teen, but all of these wow threads hurt to read cause of how painfully clear it is no one has actually played the game.

Crushing blows don't amount to all that much extra damage; the problem is the potential for much spikier damage that ordinarily makes healing more difficult. The high armor and health pool of a Druid help mitigate that however.

its easy to spot people who never raided back then. just look at every idiot shilling dps warrior. noone stops for a second to think they are painfully hard to gear up and only come up online around aq 40. fucking retards.

heh, get a load of this scrub *Heroic strikes his way to lvl36*

You sound like you can't form your own opinions and just parrot what the casuals say, my friend. At the beginning Cataclysm had strong class changes that weren't casualized (Recuperate being the premier Rogue heal that they had to consider the cost/reward of with their combo points instead of LOL ESTUS-I MEAN CRIMSON FLASK, Aspect of the Fox letting Hunters move and shoot but they had to twist Aspects to get the most out of it), a very solid pre-raiding endgame that you actually had to have thoughtput through, and legitimately difficult raids in Blackwing Descent and Throne of the Four Winds. The core gameplay was on-point, and you had a lot of worthy content to put it to use for. No sparkly furfag/tranny race or powergamer fantasy hero class to debut either. I will gladly give you that they dropped the ball hard after nerfing heroics though with End Time being a rushed fuckup mess and the final tier being boring on-rails dogshit that they adapted into nearly every future raid after, I would say Pandaria was better than the end of Cata but after that WoD, Legion and BfA dipped far below its worst points.

Armor cap isn't a thing in Vanilla, only TBC. Bears are fine though, yes.

>switch servers to avoid queues
>instant access, everything looks good
>next day short queues start popping
Please tell me Stonespine is going to be ok, it doesn't have a meme name like Mograine or Ashbringer so it won't reach 4hour queues right?
Right?

Remember to go for mobs 1 or 2 levels bellow you, the only way to level a warrior is to be a bully and focus on green quests

>early cata was truly the peak

Jesus christ fuck off

Bonbi's looking old!

Warrior had the most kino questline.

retail warriors can't /sit to proc enrage and blood craze so they're harder

warrior faggots, learn first aid and use that while leveling for less downtime

if you didn't do this you're a scrub

>Hit level 14 as warlock
>instant cast corruption and drain life

Is there a better level?

Attached: 1546485199587.gif (495x525, 2.36M)

>having fun leveling and running around
>don't have 5 tablets open on my desk with spreadsheets and a book on WoW macroeconomics
>don't have a university degree level understanding of gear and professions and minmaxing
>just having fun
Is it over for me?

Attached: 1561556758105.jpg (360x521, 29K)

warriors get better once you get the ball rolling and get major abilities like your other stances.

leveling might be easier if you tough it out until you can dual wield 1-handers and speccing fury.

i did arms during early bc before exp nerf and vanilla content was suffering.

prot would be great if you got a reliable party.

Even blaumo had a 3 hour queue last night, user

you regen virtually as fast or get a fuck load of food every quest, it's extremely forgiving.

Based BlowMe server

There is 0 reason to go prot before 60. ZERO.

They are the most gear dependent class in the game. Youre going to be a cuck until end game, basically.

Minmaxing in classic is extremely unnecessary unless you're trying to play a meme spec

The game went to complete shit once they added horde Paladins and alliance shaman.

Too lazy to balance two factions, so they just made them both the same.