Well this is new but wrpg fans generally get upset at everything because they barely have any good games . I mean look at Yea Forums here where people suck off new vegas and morrowind daily
Ayden Cooper
where's the orphan medium from? looks like the game has a pleasant artstyle
Mason Reed
Nigga you gotta be pretty stupid to think Deus Ex is dull compared to Nintendo shit that a basic child can comprehend
New vegas gets sucked off only because it is the best 3d Fallout. Not because it is good. it's only used to win a pissing contest. Pahntom Brave. a Nippon Ichi Software game where it's pretty much just Disgaea but you summon your teammates but putting thier souls into random objects on the map and thier stats alter to the object they possess. You also move in a dome radius instead of by tiles.
Sebastian Bennett
>WRPG vs JRPG thread basically a console war thread, go fucking rot
I liked deus ex and the actual combat and exploration is pretty dull, the game's actually fun part is the dialog and meme voice acting >OH MY GOD JC A BOMB >A BOMB
Landon Watson
>make ends meat
Alexander Long
That's his point. He's not saying it's dull. He's saying it's nothing but serious outside of the one or two memes made out of it. Every WRPG outside of I guess Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2 is played straight laced.
Gabriel Ortiz
human revolution is where the series reaches a good balance between good gameplay and combat with a decent story
Christian Miller
What the fuck is that book from? I want to play as a book
Michael Price
Makai kingdom which is basically phantom brave 2.0
Isaac Hill
And traded them for garbage piss tier aesthetics and absolutely forgettable score.
Jonathan Reed
Well you have to understand what kinda of atmosphere the game is trying to go for. Some games require a serious tone in order to be believable and engaging towards a player to pull them into a world or atmosphere they want to learn and envelop in.
And besides, even if the game is serious, it doesn't mean memes are restrictive in that game
Jaxon Bennett
Kys rocketslime is fucking based
Joshua Clark
>dull music Misses the point of what a lot of WRPGS go for, the bombastic, memorable tunes you hear in games like Tales, SMT, Xenoblade, Dragon, M&L are in much less grounded scenarios, and many provide multiple options outside of just combat, which is where many of the memorable tracks in those games are being used. Why compose songs like You Will Know Our Names if you'll be sneaking around or talking your way out of most events where it isn't fitting? >drab art that looks fated within a console cycle Actual artwork for the games or the models used? FF7 looks pretty dated with its blocky models. Either way it doesn't matter to much because most of these examples brought up are grim stories. I don't see how Planescape would benefit from a more colorful look when it wouldn't fit at all. >meaningless wolf pelt fetch-quests You mean that JRPGS don't either, I love my finding items for a fox in persona, or Monastery quests in Three Houses. >always so damn serious Thats just a thing with western media. Most often the main mood isn't going to be changing often in anything from the west. Most usually will have some dry wit to them though, which I'd rather have over most of the comedic scenes in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. JRPGS are pretty fun, I prefer them to most WRPGS, but most of these problems aren't an issue that most JRPGS also don't have
Daniel Cruz
Read the op more slowly this time
Julian Hughes
>drab art style! uninspired! easily outdated!
nigga an artstyle that is simple like what you listed in that image obviously can withstand aging because it's SIMPLE you retard
Jaxon Edwards
Post your Jrpg library.
Xavier Morris
didn't someone already disprove valkria being alternate history since the races and worlds are fictional?
Gavin Taylor
The problem isn't that Deus Ex does it. It's that Virtually all WRPGS do it. WRPG take their worlds existence and character as serious as a heart attack with little to no time inbetween to just have the world be anything other and serious.
Logan Moore
>dull music I remember every track in Deus Ex and Oblivion. >drab art that looks dated within a console cycle True for low budget shits like Fallout 1 and 2. Gothic 2 still looks beautiful after 17 years. >Look at any of the elder scrolls, uninspired art overall that has a brown wash over everything. As opposed to generic colourful tumblr cartoon shit? >Majority of them are hyper real too. As long as they're well optimized, not a bad thing. >always so damn serious But the whole Deus Ex is ironic comedy about early 2000s conspiracy memes.
>anime >vast array of art styles and protagonists
Daniel Russell
FF7 enemies and summons still hold up today though
>time inbetween to just have the world be anything other and serious. Fallout 3 did it and the fundamentalist fans lost their shit.
Carson White
I can't remember a single tune from any other WRPGs I've played. It's normally pan flutes or Some sort of brooding techno.
Jordan Kelly
>toon fantasy Undertale
Parker Sanchez
I think it also has to be more of a regional thing as well, since western media goes on the darker and serious tone of things while the Japanese do the opposite
(especially with the Japanese government having a noteworthy record of censoring shit and regulating media)
Christian Watson
>475670147▶ >File: 1526262708102.jpg (470 KB, 1484x2112) > >FF7 enemies and summons still hold up today though
Always bringing up FF7, I never even mentioned it, stop being a white girl. Diablo looks like shit.
Not him but >Actual artwork for the games or the models used? FF7 looks pretty dated with its blocky models. Either way it doesn't matter to much because most of these examples brought up are grim stories. I don't see how Planescape would benefit from a more colorful look when it wouldn't fit at all. Pretty sure you did.
Jack Gomez
how the hell do you make a Japanese Role Playing Game outside Japan?
Logan Davis
Fallout 1 and 2 were.
Daniel Rogers
You don't, He's an idiot.
Henry Gutierrez
The point was that they obviously look like they're from old tech. Yeah usually its just ambiance, works for the most part though. If I'm reading some shit in planescape I'd rather not be distracted by a banger in the background. Yeah no that's it for sure. Rapid changes in tone is most common in Japanese stuff, usually makes them lighter toned so you don't take it too seriously. Which is usually a good thing considering a lot of JRPG themes are rather undercooked.
Noah Gonzalez
It made in the West by a Westerner. How is it a JRPG? Because it isn't dark and edgy? And Dragon Quest was modeled after Wizardry and Ultima.
Xavier Gray
correct, turn based = western, action = eastern. But in the specific case of undertale it emulated SMT/earthbound/touhou, not wizardry
You do realize there are WRPGs that have comedic Easter eggs right?
Fallout is a major example of fun retarded moments
But if you still believe that WRPGs take themselves way too seriously, you must be a fucking brainlet that can't understand how does a story's conflict can correlate within the world around them, or how understand what tone or atmosphere is.
There are certain WRPGs that are serious at times but provide great comedic effect.
Liam Adams
If I don't have good music to accompany my game than the boring and monotonous parts get even more boring and monotonous.
Dylan Moore
They are few and far between. Also tend to be in the only good WRPG games. Funny that.
Luke Bailey
Doesn't Stardew Valley count as toon wrpg?
Cameron Ross
>celestial what
Henry Cox
I feel like overall jRPGs are probably better on average, HOWEVER, the best western RPGs are far, far above the best jRPG has to offer.
>. Why compose songs like You Will Know Our Names if you'll be sneaking around or talking your way out of most events where it isn't fitting?
Well there could be memorable music for that, but these games fall short >Actual artwork for the games or the models used? Actual artwork. Drab, boring, generic . >models used? megaman legends still looks ok and all of the sprite games have aged gracefully, but diablo aged like shit.
>You mean that JRPGS don't either It's not every jrpg, but it's every wrpg
correctamundo
never played that one, I am saying that games like undertale were modeled directly after JRPGS with their template in mind.
Same as darksouls woudl be a wrpg correct?
We should honestly get rid of japan/western and just use
JUST- RPGS WOODLAND-RPGS
It's not where the game came from it's the content
>why do people like meat more than candies? Candies are colorful and smell nice and have 10000 different flavors and they're sugary! I wanna eat candies all the time! Meat is boring! I like JRPGs and I still play them, but your argument in favor of them is the shallowest most pathetic thing I've heard in a while. If you tried to argue the same way in favor of anime versus live action movies you'd be laughed out of the conversation so hard your eardrums would rupture.
Luis Jones
The classifications genreally exist for the sake of recommendations. I mean if someone likes darkest dungeon are you gonna recommend them dungeon travelers 2?
Eli Jones
>food analogy Opinion discarded
Chase Brown
Playing as literal gods and things of that nature.
Anthony James
Gee, it's almost like this is another thread that attempts to push "THING A GOOD, THING B BAD" like a million other things that are basically shit. This is just a console war thread under another skin and subject matter.
Mason Thompson
>If you tried to argue the same way in favor of anime versus live action movies you'd be laughed out of the conversation so hard your eardrums would rupture. Why? Most movies are just as trite as the average anime.
Brayden Murphy
You can say the same about WRPGs. Balder's Gate, Neverwinter, Pillars, Icewindale, arcanum, planescape. All play basically the same with slight difference. Just like JRPGs.
Ayden Cook
>persona, xenoblade and octopath all play same Ok
Thomas Green
Left side have more conflicts so it's obviously better. If story does not involve engaging conflict it's not interesting, politics and conspiracy makes story even better.
Lucas Turner
The best RPGs are ones extremely light on story. Cinematics and cutscenes and all that trash are what's been bringing down the medium for a long time, but it never got too bad before because this cancer was at least contained.
Really, if you can't articulate your story in a way that doesn't bore me to death in dialogue dumps and celebrity voice acting, then your """"game"""" should probably go back to Yea Forums with the rest of the movies.
>I honestly don't get why wrpg dudes look down upon jrpgs OP, you're a hypocrite. jrpg fags look down on wrpgs just as much, faggots on both side feed into this pointless vitriolic endless debate.
why are you people so fucking tribal, there are good games on both sides, both trying to achieve two totally different things. if you obsessively defend and only play jrpgs, or wrpgs, without even giving the other side a chance then you should unironically kill yourself. >system shock 2 >space opera star wars/anachronox/mass effect is space opera. system shock is sci-fi horror
You're fucking retarded. This doesn't mean anything. This way you can invent infite amount of worthless classifications >Vampire fantasy >Robot fantasy >Trannie fantasy etc.
Brandon Lee
I believe the point he was making is that while jrpgs aren't perfect wrpgs often pride themselves in being flawless when they are not.
Michael Ramirez
>earthbound >fictional real world
>system shock 2 >space opera
Valkyria Chronicles takes place in a fictional faux WWI, not alternate history you retard.
he literally said wrpgs are "vastly inferior", he clearly wasn't simply making the point that wrpg fags think their games are perfect.
Blake Perez
>most RPGs >"Hmm, I'll use some cherry picked games to rebut this" I am not arguing that JRPGs samey gameplay is shit or anything, I literally asked a question Lots of turnbased jrpg even have almost identical interface.
Kevin Carter
>Well there could be memorable music for that, but these games fall short But why, if you would be sneaking around simple sounds that give the action tension would suffice, which they usually have. >Actual artwork. Drab, boring, generic If you could point out a way to make the artwork in the games in the first post not drab and generic without it ruining the games tone then enlighten me. I don't see how a game like Planescape would benefit from looking like SMT or Xenosaga. The artwork and look the game currently has fits it well. >megaman legends still looks ok and all of the sprite games have aged gracefully, but diablo aged like shit. Diablo doesn't look too good, but its also a year older than Megaman Legends, which doesn't really look ok anymore, but fair enough. >It's not every jrpg, but it's every wrpg Its not every wrpg either, especially if you're counting Dark Souls as a WRPG. Also JRPG and WRPG are about where its from, its the same as how Anime are animations produced in japan and Cartoons are produced in the west. There's a cultural difference between the countries so even games inspired by another culture will still feel a bit western. Undertale's writing is definitely more western than any JRPG I've played.
Grayson Garcia
>>Torment >>High fantasy Your first party member is a floating skull and another is a guy perpetually on fucking fire
Austin Martinez
The most recent and well known games count as cherry picking?
Lincoln Davis
>Lots of turnbased jrpg even have almost identical interface So do FPS games, fighting games and RTS games.
Jaxon Gutierrez
>there are good games on both sides Sure, but there is innumerable amount of absolute dogshit JRPGs. Best JRPGs don't even come close to best WRPGs.
Nolan Carter
>The best RPGs are ones extremely light on story. isn't story necessary for meaningful roleplaying, as in, playing a character with a moral alignment and making decisions beyond simply gameplay?
or are you simply complaining about overly cinematic games. ps;t is basically dependent on exposition and dialogue, but of course it's written.
Ryan Gomez
The Nameless One is infinitely better designed than that generic crap on the right.
Jack Nguyen
Because you haven't played very many
Colton Jackson
Stop replying to ACfag.
Justin Martin
>Balder's Gate, Neverwinter, Pillars, Icewindale, arcanum, planescape >recent Also, persona is very popular around the world exactly because it is different from majority JRPGs. Which is cherry picking.
Matthew Morales
I wasn't even that guy and merely pointed out how even very well known titles have big differences or would comparing ffxv, dragon quest and pokemon be more appropriate?
Robert Campbell
fuck I didn't even realise that might be him
Brandon Howard
I don't see why you need to argue about it. Can't we enjoy WRPGs for what they offer, and JRPGs for what they offer? Theyre obviously two similar yet wildly different genres. I don't see why one needs to feign superiority over the other one
I just can't play JRPGs because of absurd protags and lack of ROLE playing. Why they are even called rpgs? They are closer to adventure games.
Ryan Campbell
News flash: Jrpgs have different goals than wrpgs.
Wyatt Turner
Yes
Mason Hall
>two similar yet wildly different genres In one of them you can actually roleplay.
Chase Lee
why call them rgps then?
Levi Thompson
Because they originated from sort of copying old titles like wizardry and the rpg term just stuck.
Nathan King
RPG probably has a connotation that refers to the feel of the game and it's mechanics (RNG, leveled enemies, specs, etc) more than the literal meaning of RPG
Samuel Garcia
see and I still don't see the reason to shitfling about it. You people are almost as bad as consolewar fags I swear
Levi Allen
Then why the FUCK we are comparing them itt? Fucking 4channers got me trolled again, fags.
Mason Phillips
we shouldn't be, but because the two genres are named similarly Yea Forums of course has to split into sides and defend it with all their autistic might, even though one genre has little to no real effect on the other one
Tyler Stewart
Last I recall, I don't need a game with the cinematic flow of Uncharted to be able to roleplay as someone, or make decisions.
John Russell
>Be me >Like rpgs >Some west only fag asks me what my first rpg was >say super mario rpg legend of the 7 stars >faggot gets confused and thinks I like JRPGs exclusively >ask what part of rpgs don't you get >n-na-name me 1 wrpg >Summoner >Sounds like a JRPG and shits on his diapers
The problem in the west is the same issue you see with leftists. 1.) They will never support anything but claim it needs to exists 2.) They don't want an array of titles such as 50 great wrpgs all in amazing in their own right because these idiots only want that 1 name brand that they can brag to everyone by default like a cult. 3.) Because of 1 and 2 the genre as a whole suffers. This shit translates to comics and cartoons as well.
John Johnson
How hard is it to have sneaking music even non jrpgs have it. Listen to this ost from digimon xros wars
memorable arrangements of the bad guys main theme, taylored for sneaking around enemy territory.
>Actual artwork. Drab, boring, generic
maybe not make everything Hyper real or have a brown/grey wash over them. Almost every damn wrpg is hyperreal and they look dreadful after a couple of years.
>Diablo doesn't look too good, but its also a year older than Megaman Legends, which doesn't really look ok anymore, but fair enough.
alright then Arc the Lad 2, Secret of man, and the Lunar remakes look great . > Undertale's writing is definitely more western than any JRPG I've played. How so? It feels rather animated, nothing you wouldn't see in an older game.
it's not just Yea Forums that conflates the two, the whole industry does, and this probably has some dire consequences. when you put a supposed rpg on a pedestal as the best of a genre where the said game doesn't really meet the actual standards of the term "rpg", you end up confusing everyone and confusing people as to what they ought to be making. last I recall, I asked why you think rpgs ought to be light on story, or if you were merely speaking of story in regards to cutscenes.
Alexander Cruz
What's that gif from?
Carson Wright
Phantom Brave
Also, unlike what OPs picture suggests, she doesn't turn things into meat.
Connor Hall
if valkyria chronicles doesnt fit alternate history will this do
>How hard is it to have sneaking music even non jrpgs have it. Listen to this ost from digimon xros wars in wrpgs, "stealth" sections are typically emergent and optional. if have to manually either press the crouch button or press the stealth ability, and be stealthy. so instead wrpgs opt to have a general ambient or area theme which can be conducive to any play style, and then a combat theme.
if a game goes to the effort to have "sneaking music", that almost always is because the developers intend for you to be sneaking in that specific area.
Aiden Parker
One of the things I hate about Wrpgs especially shit like Diablo is "muh rng drop rate weapons" gotta farm the boss a trillion times for that lucky RNG roll. At least grinding levels for the actual weapon is more rewarding for it's time than some RNG shenanigans hidding behind some retarded ass boss shooting 50 abilities out of its ass.
>erry time Just like the last time one was in development.
Leo Murphy
A lot of it is that whenever I criticize JRPGs as a collective I get called a seething WRPG cuck. If everyone who doesn't like your genre is automatically this one thing, then of course it seems like that group looks down on you.
I feel like the majority of wrpgs don't demand you grind for anything, except like Diablo and I guess mmorpgs though I could be wrong. what other ones can you list?
Matthew Morgan
Not that guy but Darkest dungeon is a good example
Josiah Powell
>JA2 is fictional real world in the same sense as Earthbound What the fuck?
Lucas Hernandez
I guess so but aren't we kind of begging the question when citing only grinding in roguelike esque rpgs like Darkest Dungeon and Diablo? user complained about Wrpgs in general for grinding for gear/loot, etc.
Ryder Baker
Parasite eve would have been a better choice
Jacob Bell
>I feel like the majority of wrpgs don't demand you grind for anything Some aren't as punishing as others but you got the runescape type grind games where it's really going out of your way to level skills/abilities/etc. Games like Skyrim and Morrowind come to mind, though these games were just bits and pieces I saw a friend play. Then you have the rng nonsense that comes mainly from blizzard games. Be it intentionally or not it's even as a joke in games like fallout. Thing is after summoner I stopped caring about wrpgs in general because my catalogue of jrpgs is way more massive in comparison and the west isn't really doing anything to stay in the limelight. Hell we don't even see games like rock n roll racing, blitz, nba jam, anymore it's just halo and gears. At least Dead Rising 3 was kind of okay.
Nathaniel Hughes
Fallout 2, Fable, Divinity OS 1&2, Bards tale are some Western RPGs that have a lot of humor and less than serious moments that I can name just off the top of my head. Kys you lying shitty weeb
Camden Clark
If you were the person to define genres in video games, what would you call diablo clones and other stat based """"""rpg"""""" games and jrpgs?
Kayden Baker
Even serious drama rpgs have humor. Even fucking Mass Effect has it.
Jackson Ross
you don't have to grind in tes games nor should you have to in any Fallout, and complaining about grinding in a game like Runescape/Diablo/mmorpgs is really begging the question, much like complaining about grinding in something like Pokemon. Diablo, mmorpgs, roguelikes, etc, are by their nature for the sake of grinding.
the one thing most wrpgs have in common is usually you don't have to grind for anything at all, but you certainly have the option to. I don't really recall doing it in kotor, planescape, deus ex, etc.
Jace Ramirez
Legion is a comedy goldmine >geth do not intentionally infiltrate
Fells weird how people sometimes claim jrpgs require grinding when it really isn't necessary at all.
Isaiah Cooper
>the one thing most wrpgs have in common is usually you don't have to grind for anything at all, but you certainly have the option to. I don't really recall doing it in kotor, planescape, deus ex, etc. The primary issue is that wrpgs want to give this image of being open world and immersive to anything you think of which is an impossibility. So some rely on rng or excessive grinding in particular area for whatever reason. In the end wrpgs are falling behind jrpgs because instead of creating and having fun they have to make some statement somewhere. The big open world. The next best graphics. All this crap you can do. And my favorite Fables 4D nonsense about a tree growing as you play the game. They oversell themselves and they offer less than GTA
Asher Gutierrez
I never played fallout 1 and 2 till this year, because I never enjoyed post apoc. I decided to make a semi-purist run in 1st game, no savescam and no reloading unless I died in a fight. I stopped playing after I got stuck in a battle I couldn't win. I got pretty far, it was amazing experience.
Luke Young
>isn't story necessary for meaningful roleplaying, as in, playing a character with a moral alignment and making decisions beyond simply gameplay? No, Wizardry is engaging without a story. I was way more immersed with my Wiz 1-3 playthrough than I ever was with FF, Persona, or DQ.
Nathaniel Myers
He didn't say that and JRPGfags swear up and down their games are god's gift
Jason Clark
>what a rotten way to die My fucking sides every time.
>you're the chosen one teenager that defeats big bad that adults can't deal with for some reason What game am I describing?
Lincoln Cook
>The primary issue is that wrpgs want to give this image of being open world and immersive to anything you think of which is an impossibility. So some rely on rng or excessive grinding in particular area for whatever reason. I can't really think of what you're describing at the end here, which ones rely on it? I've never played Summoner, maybe that game did. >In the end wrpgs are falling behind jrpgs because instead of creating and having fun they have to make some statement somewhere. it really depends what you mean by "falling behind", bethesda games, witcher, kingdom come, they're all best selling blockbusters. I personally do not think they are as good as their predecessors like infinity engine rpgs because they have forsaken their rpg roots. >They oversell themselves and they offer less than GTA it once again really depends on what wrpgs you're talking about.
Samuel Cruz
Chrono Trigger or Final Fagtasy or maybe Dragon Quest. They all play the exact same. It's sad actually weebs don't see anything wrong with this.
>your the chosen one adult that solves basic problems an entire nation can't deal with for some reason
Camden Wright
>gta Bruh moment. >The big open world. The next best graphics I see you have absolutely no fucking idea what are you talking about. >So some rely on rng or excessive grinding in particular area for whatever reason. You just described jrpg. Grinding games are not RPGs. They are called like this because of older association of character customization. You can literally call most of the games as ROLE PLAYING. As you are PLAYING under a certain ROLE. Strategy? You are role-playing as a commander. Call of duty? You role-play as soldier, etc. etc. We don't do that. So what's so distinct in a real rpg game?
Luke Turner
I was speaking about meaningful roleplaying requiring some kind of narrative/story, whether you find an experience immersive or engaging is something else.
Zachary Foster
Yes, because bringing morrowind isn't fair.
Adam Cooper
The series well known for extensive lore that isn't well executed or expressed?
Jeremiah Garcia
How is it not fair? Morrowind is the shining example of wrpg that shits on modern day jrpgs to this day.
I am not a weeb fag, but I don't see anything wrong with this. Wouldn't you be happy for having like 20 more similiar in gameplay to Bloodlines game if they were all good and of the same value?
Gabriel Sullivan
See Golden Sun: The Lost Age for an example of a JRPG Where you uncover the truth about the side you've been fighting against, end up teaming up with them even though they are regarded es evil/terrorists
Anyone can do reductio ad absurdum
Lincoln Cooper
>I haven't seen any jrpg as good as Ultima Underworld Play King's Field. It's better than Ultima Underworld in every way.
Kayden Jackson
That's what I meant, morrowind is too good to be even compared to best of jrpg games.
>King's Field >better than UW I didn't get past the shitty PS1 controls and crappy visuals.
Jack Lee
>King's Field is better than ultima underworld not in a million years, the amount of options, freedom, factions and dialogue way surpasses king's field.
Alexander Howard
Uhhhhhhh, I think you didn't understood OP post as a whole. >Anyone can do reductio ad absurdum Anyone can use words to look smart.
Blake Johnson
>Wesetern Elves: Deserve genocide >Japanese Elves: Don't deserve genocide I think the Japs win here.
Charles Butler
Why can't japs write up proper gods that aren't evil becuz MUH DARKNESS HAHA.
RPGs in general suck. You unironically have no life if you play them on a regular basis
Carson Lee
Yeah but the things that actually matter, namely the gameplay and level design is way worse.
John Morales
Japanese understand that whoring part of your race to the enemy is a valid survival strategy
Jayden Kelly
Because wrpgs are actually fun and inspired.
Kayden Wright
Also that being obnoxious hippies is not an endearing racial traits.
Luke Lewis
>More info >No >Yes >No >No
Bentley Bailey
king's field was dreadfully slow, awkward and stiff though compared to ultima , you couldn't even looking up or down until 4, or jump. It had I guess better art direction though, which is what I reckon you're actually talking about and more concerned about.
Aiden James
My main issues with WPRGs is I often think they fail as games. JRPGs usually offer much better music, control, gameplay and graphics/art style, etc. I can play Yakuza for the gameplay, final fantasy for the music, Dragon Quest for the style, or any one for any of those reasons. While in WRPGs, sure, I can roleplay a lot more, but I find them to be dated on release. A lot of action rpgs can feel as good as normal action games, Yakuza and Ys are super fun, not quite DMC, but fun enough. New Vegas is nowhere close to Doom, nor is The Wither 3 even as close to as fun as DMC. That, and also, JRPGs come out far more frequently, with bigger and more notable games.
I have a better way to settle this, who's worse Gamefreak or Bethesda?
Austin Cook
>you couldn't even looking up or down until 4 Did you even play them for more than five seconds? And hell no are they more stiff or awkward than Ultima Underworld, you can't even circle strafe in UU.
Bethesda games can at least be mod engines for good things, Pokemon just gives you porn.
Henry Mitchell
What if I like serious, believable stuff over cringy childish shit like in most jrpgs?
Jason Carter
>believable Don't play any video games ever then.
James Martinez
Read a fantasy book then for a more enjoyable experience.
James Lopez
I like the interactive aspects of rpgs, which wrpgs offer more than jrpgs.
Austin Gray
Then I guess you play shit like football manager and not rpgs
Christian Evans
It takes a little time to get used to, but UW's controls are actually pretty good, especially if you use the mouse to navigate the environments.
Noah Taylor
The Nameless One is one of the most hideous looking MCs in video game history.
Wyatt Wood
Japs can't write a good and complicated plot for shit. Yeah, westerners can't either, but the best written western games did pull it off and win by a mile.
>planescape >best written That is a really low bar
Ryan Fisher
It's still the best one we've ever gotten in a video game. Besides, it's not a low bar. It's up there with mid to high tier fantasy literature.
Caleb Hughes
I'm being less impressed by every post
Josiah Watson
Who is trying to impress you? Are you pretending to be a visitor from Yea Forums, please don't larp an insufferable ass user. But if you want it that way, sure, lets discuss Severian and if it really was rape.
Samuel Young
>meaningless wolf pelt fetch-quests This is how we know you don't play wrpgs nigga.
Wyatt Nguyen
Not a Yea Forums fag but calling planescape on the level of high tier fantasy literature feels a little pretentious
Xavier Baker
OP is retarded. It should be JRPG vs CRPG. RPGs can't be regionally classified because both regions have made both genres. Japanese RPGs of the early 80s were indistinguishable from early Ultima games. Starting the late 90s, western devs have started making JRPGs such as Secret of Evermore.
>never played that one, I am saying that games like undertale were modeled directly after JRPGS with their template in mind Stardew Valley has both the elements of JRPG and WRPG.
Alexander Brown
>western jrpg Stop forcing this meme
Ian Roberts
>feels a little pretentious Then you're insecure. Writing's pretty good, the plot is both well written and nuanced. It touches some of the prerequisite themes for a classic like hell and redemption which touch the soul. Quite telling that it's not your run of the mill trash is that the story is personal rather than plot driven. Basically, Planescape ticks all the boxes to be considered serious literature. And most importantly, for a video game, it uses the plot in various meta ways that affect the gameplay. It's a classic, all right.
Unlike something like Book of Malazar which uses introspective stories only as small parts of a large, epic tapestry or GoT which is just pulp fiction. It's no Gene Wolfe, but it's no Robert Jordan either.
Jason Hall
Fair enough I guess
Andrew Thompson
What is it then, weebRPG?
Isaiah Perez
It would describe something like undertale perfectly
Matthew Bell
don't mind me, just posting the greatest rpg of all time
Believable doesn't mean hyperrealistic you weeb nigger. It means that the setting has internal rules and follows them without ridiculous shit like you see in most jrpgs.
Christopher Richardson
Beleive it or not lots of jrpgs can be pretty consistent with their rules
Isaac Sanchez
Yes. Western games that try to imitate Japanese ones are the only ones that can be called weeb.
Josiah Torres
>image doesn't insult or belittle either side of the spectrum
hell yes this is what i crave
Levi Carter
JRPGs are literally the cinematic movie-game of RPGs. You don’t even roleplay in them, you get a pre-defined character with a pre-defined look, pre-defined skills and classes in a pre-defined story. And half the time the protagonist is silent, completely defeating the advantage of even having a predefined character
Robert Williams
>I played final fantasy once
Ethan Rogers
If the japs made a game like this but it took place in Japan and you played as a cute immigrant girl and she could get fat and insulted for being fat and just cause all kinds of chaos id hop on team nip dick immediately.
Cooper Cooper
>Yea Forums Temper your expectations Even though its been so many years, Yea Forums users will never grow up; they’ll either leave, not change, or have younger ones coming in
Nathaniel Rivera
>proceeds not to list Jrpgs that meet ROLE playing game options
Josiah Williams
Aside from a few outliers he's absolutely right though.
Asher Ross
Split story paths based on your decison? Tactics ogre Party members living and dying for real from your choices? Devil Survivor Choosing an ideology to side with? Shin megami tensei Text heavy strategy where you can choose how to expand your territory and manage tropps, commanders and finances? Sengoku rance Open roguelike where you can get npcs drunk steal their stuff and nuke a town? Elona
Dominic Allen
Whats "JRPG"? Does it stand for "RPG made in Japan"? Do you call The Witcher 3 "PRPG" or something? Or do you think that "JRPG" is some kind of "character driven role-playing game with emphasis on storytelling and character development" shit, and that according to this logic The Witcher 3 is a Polish "JRPG" then?
Japan alone has its own industry while Poland doesn’t
Hunter Rogers
>videogame """roleplaying""" just play a tabletop fag
Owen Gutierrez
>Temper your expectations What do you mean by this?
Ethan Clark
>Another falseflag thread for reddit shitposting Stay in your fucking shithole if you want upboats
Angel Price
Do JRPGers fucking understand how some want to be an immersed in a world with a deep atmosphere, a serious tone, and a story thats worthwhile to explore and change in?
I don't like the cliche's and sometimes whoring of JRPG's, but simply saying something serious means it's bad shows how big of a brainlet you are with the inability to comprehend a topic simply because it's too serious
Bruh, video games at times are an art form, and there will be times a game will be serious and also be good at the same time.
