Sonic Mania 2 is going to be 3D confirmed

I fucking felt that

Yeah well they used their gimmick on 2D Sonic, makes sense they would move on.

Can they do it? can they make a GOOD 3D sonic game?

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>Mania 2 will basically be Sonic Rush 3

TOO BLACK.
TOO STRONG

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Just make SRB2
It's the IDEAL 3D classic sonic game.

>Sonic Mania 2
>Not an original game
You're stupid.

>Taxman
>new game
>it MUST be Sonic!!!1
Don’t typecast him like this, let the man grow as a developer.

You say that like sonic is some shameful thing, that's beneath him.

>But is it going to be GOOD is the real question?
You’re a faggot.

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*Sonic Rush 4

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Sonic Rush 5
You forgot Sonic Generations 3DS

Most people do
It’s actually pretty decent even if a poor substitute for the real one

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So, since Mania was a love letter to the 2D games, is Mania 2 going to be about the stuff they liked from the 3D games?

>implying the 3D graphics won't just be for the special stages
do you even sonic

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It hope they make something like this, none of that linear Sonic Adventures bullshit.

youtu.be/Tl2ZVEjYBJk

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Honestly i would even trust Christian Whitehead to work on a 3d sonic game

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I would prefer a 3D game. But it won't be that.

All I care is that we get another final boss with What I'm Made Of tier music.

That’d be interesting but what if it’s not a sonic game?

Even Sonic Team got tired of only being known for Sonic at one point. It's okay to shake things up a bit and branch out once in a while.

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It would be nice to finally get a good, and I mean "actually good enough to the point where I can recommend it off of more than personal bias and nostalgia"-level good. I'm not going to hold my breath, though, as other anons have said, this is probably just special stage stuff at most.

No. It'll be them doing whatever the hell they want with an expanded budget.

What if

it's actually a Sonic Adventure Reboot

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>It's okay to shake things up a bit and branch out once in a while.
You know this attitude is partially why forces was so obscenely shit, right?

Why bother.

Or maybe it's just gonna have some 3D polygonal elements like the first game had, like the special stages or the Robotnik statue at the end of Stardust Speedway

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anyone remember that thicc amy mod someone made around the launch of the PC version of mania? I remember it being a commission for someone but I'm not sure if it was ever publicly released

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>let the man grow as a developer
You think I care about his feelings? I just want good Sonic games.

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I thought Forces was shit because Sonic Team spent more time working on the engine than they did on the game itself

No I didn’t.

What if it's actually a Sonic 2006 remake?

A sonic 06 but fixed would be nice too,but that already exists by the fans

Who said it's going to be fixed?

No, the dev team of the game (of two newfag level designers and a shit director since the storybook games) worked on the game for a year, the team that made Generations and Olympic games worked on the HE2 lighting engine.

OOF

Just make Generations 2, keep 3D and 2D fags happy.

Speaking of 3D Sonic, what are the odds of a new Utopia demo being released for SAGE?

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Why would you want this aimless mess?

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I haven't kept up with SAGE or basically any of the hacking community for years, aside from Utopia what else is upcoming or has been recently released that's interesting?

Who knows now that Lange got a job at Wayfoward.

Thicc as in curvy or fat? Because I'm pretty sure the latter was by Eishiban.

>Lange got a job at Wayfoward.
Wait, what?

>Sonic Mania 2 is still Genesis-like 2D but the emerald special stages are just Sonic Adventure levels/missions now
Think about it, you hop into the big ring and BAM SUDDENLY GOTTA FUCKING FISH FOR FROGGY AGAIN

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Yeah, he's a designer.

Damn, good for him.
I guess someone actually did HIRE THAT MAN, even if it wasn't Sega.

A few projects I'm keeping up on:
>Sonic Studio (Mario Maker but for Sonic stages):
twitter.com/sonicstudioproj
>Sonic Freedom (OVA-styled game with hand-drawn sprites):
twitter.com/sonicfreedom_
>Sonic Infinity (Another game based on the OVA art style):
twitter.com/the_P3DR0/status/1134567663974440960

lange and murasaki haven't said anything, so 0.

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>Sonic Mania 2 is 3d Saturn era
>since Sonic never got a new 3d platformer on the Saturn they want to make one now

Please, dont. I know there was rumors way how they liked that era and wanted to do a 3d Sonic, but please dont

>Sonic Infinity
Huh, thought this one was dead. If Utopia and that other hand drawn OVA styled Sonic game gets released this sage this will be the most OVA Sonic SAGE of all time.

Goddamn, I will always feel blessed that I live in a timeline where Hideki Naganuma composed for a Sonic Game.

youtube.com/watch?v=neN6N5tKTTU

youtube.com/watch?v=L4KIxqTYGGI

youtube.com/watch?v=e5BG14-5WXA
youtube.com/watch?v=ZnTeauB2E50

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>Sonic Infinity (Another game based on the OVA art style):
Didn't think the game's artstyle could improve any more since the last time I saw it, but I was wrong.

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I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere their next project isn't related to Sonic or SEGA. That was the point of forming an independent studio.

Would play

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fat

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whats the nsfw part

>nsfw
im sicked but curious

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>I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere their next project isn't related to Sonic or SEGA
I haven't seen them state anything like that at all. If they had then a screencap of them saying so would likely get posted every time a thread like this pops up.

If anything, most of Mania's devs now being under single roof just makes it easier for Sega to contract a Sonic project out to them, since they're not having to deal with the legalities involved with hiring a bunch of freelancers.

That was way back. Around the time Mania got released and I think they were talking about the 3d special stages and that they could do a 3D Sonic if ST asked them.

My problem is pandering to the Saturn era. Worse is if ST will make a 3D Sonic and then Mania team does another one. Because this is Sega we are talking about and they are retarded enough to do both

This isn't Sonic Mania 2, tard.

Please let this be the case
I don't want Sonic Mania to be the next NSMB, I don't want a jillion extra asset-reusing 2D Sonic games

Nut

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Then what’s the point of a remake dipshit

Very interested and curious but I don't want to buy Mania and the Plus just for this. Would some kind user be willing to record what happens?

You think this motherfucker opened his own game studio after making it big making an official Sonic game just to NOT make Sonic games?

Correct. It's Mania 2.5D

False alarm.

Who gives a shit about Utopia? I wanna see something done with the Hero engine.

Please god get the jester devs

Hm. Guess they went too far.

wait wait wait...
they aren't yet close to finishing mania 2?!

this gotta be for mania 3 or adventure mania or something..

>Not including Vela-Nova
youtube.com/watch?v=-7WQn-SXYZ4

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How have I never heard this before? I must play this immediately.

Naganuma is a genius, anything he touches is gold.

Second game has pretty decent music too. The games themselves are good.

> 3D sonic game with the classic style
Please.

It's called Sonic Utopia

>HE2 lighting engine
Google gives me nothing .What is it?

Hedgehog Engine 2

It's a fat fetish mod.

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I suddenly remember this fan project... oh god i wish

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to be fair 3d art has become so accessible I wound't find hard if fans did something like this again

Sonic Adventure 3?

I want this game.

Wait. Has a Sonic game ever had a rainy level, you know that wasn't like full blown thunderstorm, and also not in a city?

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>Wait. Has a Sonic game ever had a rainy level, you know that wasn't like full blown thunderstorm, and also not in a city?

kinda? i think? though if i remember correctly it was only raining in certain parts of the level.

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Oh yeah kinda.

I want something full like Wario Land 4 Monsoon forest.

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Yes, 2. Sky High Zone Act 2
youtube.com/watch?v=YJaJRPOVd84

and Sky Base Zone
youtube.com/watch?v=vBMJ6O-S5D0

both would look really nice in Mania. I wish they'd use some of the 8 bit stuff.

those were simple enough that any bum could make them in a week with blender. I don't think they would hire someone for just that

I kinda just want rainy rainforest. Sky High is dope though.

>TOO BLACK.
>TOO STRONG
youtube.com/watch?v=N9cjG7PwDZU

FUCKING YES

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The Hedgehog Engine 2. The updated to real time lighting to Unleashed's HE1, which was mixed with baked shading and real time ambient occlusion.

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Well, Hero, Oban, and anyone from the BlueSkyTH sonic 3d and fan game devving circlejerk hate any notion of sharing their engines with anyone outside of their circle.
Oban kept his shit engine under lock and key because he felt he was better than all of the sonic fanbase for the longest time, and I can bet Hero will do the same.

Kingdom Valley's mach speed section

It looked like absolute dogshit in motion and ran even worse

Pretty sure Shadow the Hedgehog had a section of the level that was stormy.

Our time has come Adventurefags

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sounds pretty good actually

Nice

I just checked any none of the forest levels have any rain

Yess ASSHOLE I do. I’m not saying he’ll never make another Sonic game, I’m saying I’m certain that he has original ideas as a developer that he would like to see realized. That is the point of owning his own studio, otherwise he would just keep going about this independently.

SEGA
HIRE THIS MAN

Either Sonic Rush 3 or Sonic Adventure 3. Either way i'm 100% fine with this.

SEGA

3D Sonic has never had good mechanics/controls. NEVER. Yes, I'm looking at you, Adventure fags Always going on about zero point turning, but ignoring all the other jank.

3D Sonic will continue to flounder and fail, until they come up with realistic feeling pinball mechanics, that's also tightly controlled by the player. Sonic Team needs to just stay in the forge, and continue to hone the mechanics until they're fucking PERFECT, before eve thinking of designing the rest of the game.

The level was called Sky Troops, and it was in a fortress/canyon area. Not sure if it was actually rain or if it was just a tornado, though.

Homing Attack(at least the Adventure one)>Sonic bouncing on enemies like a pinball.

Oh shit yeah right at the end. God I wish it was set in an actual jungle. Why the fuck could all the ancient Aztec/Mayan temples fly anyway

This better fucking be what I think it is

ok, ignoring your dumb as fuck opinion. Tell me, what happens after you're finished your "press A to awesome" attack? When Sonic plants his feet back on the ground, and now he has to move up and down and around slopes. How does it feel?

Tell me, running on a halfpipe isn't jank as fuck. I fucking dare you to make such a claim to me.

Very lewd song.

Mania is 3D, it's just projected to look 2D.
They use models, not sprites.

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>Not Raymania

Get rid of the Big segments, give some more uniquenes to Tails, polish Knuckles, and I dont know, turn Amy gameplay into a fast beat em up or something.
Gamma is weird, But I think he works better than Tails in 2

Wasnt some part on the engine that made it so levels had to be small?

Yes.

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bravo Sonic Team

i can’t decide who has the more incompetent dev team. Sonic team or Bethesda

That's a toughie
Bethesda's biggest issue is that they constantly half-ass their work because they know modders will just fix it for free better than whatever poojeet they could pay to do some quality control in-house. I don't know if I'd call that 'incompetence' rather than 'exploitation', but for the sake of argument, we will.
But making a new lighting engine that horrifically hamstrings your level design for a fucking linear platformer dedicated to blowing through the stages as fast as possible just to improve the look of a few cobblestones that nobody is going to notice at top speeds is a special brand of stupid. I'm tempted to hand it to Sonic Team simply because of that.

This was also a thing youtube.com/watch?v=Xln0a0HIX5Y

And that Sonic 2 HD for the last... like what? over 10 years?

Any chance it's possible to use this with a pirated copy somehow, or am I just shit outta luck?

>is going to be 3D
I don't think that's the case based on the post.

Sonic game based on the style of Rayman Origins, thoughts?

>Make new advanced lighting engine
>Give the game a cartoony artstyle that doesn't show off lighting at all

The sad part is that sonic forces used ab artslyle that is very low detail. game looks average to bad

Origins already kinda copied Sonic. Or you mean graphically?

One day I hope this exists:
youtube.com/watch?v=sMHmn8atkM4

Somic Mania used some 3D models in the backgrounds of boss fights

I'm a brainlet please respond

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I was hoping for another 2D game but if they can make something like Utopia, I'll be happy. I can just wait for Kyle and Lucy for my 2D Sonic fix

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Do you really fucking want THIS?

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yes

You know what else was 3D? Sonic Mania's special stage. I guess Sonic Mania was 3D as well.

Why does she become fat? In the screenshots she looked fine

Personally, I prefer Sally.

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this is why we can't have nice things

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>The rings are replaced with onion rings. It's Sonic 3 and Knuckles but you have to avoid grabbing rings.

Sonic 2 XL but with Amy

Is it gonna fix the cringy dialogue and story?

I just fucking want an remake on sa2 on an engine that is easy for modders to make levels for like in sonic adventure or generations
Not a whole lot needs to change for a base sa2 remake, but the current port on steam is such a shotty port. I just want custom levels with sa2 sonic.

If it is going to be 3D, I'm gonna assume it'll be like Sonic Utopia.

Sonic World is basically an open-source version of the Adventure games with support for custom characters and levels. It even has a Chao Garden.
sonicworldfangame.com/

They're not making a Sonic game.

>casino park with the wrong shading and dim lights
>every single spring and bumper creates motion blur

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He said he wants to try for this year.

I just wish people would stop wording this like they're done with sonic for good

>NSFW

oh fuck off

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I really wish people would stop assuming shit about games based on a singular piece of evidence like hiring a 3D artist.

>we're getting a full fledged 3d sonic game with sega saturn graphics and banging music
hold me bros i fucking dig sega saturn 3d

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They might be, who knows what's going on a SEGA regarding Sonic at this point. We still don't even know if Sonic Team is even a thing anymore, they haven't said. And if they're dead, who is making Sonic games now. One is confirmed to be in development.

Hell, SEGA could just license the engine from him and have other devs make a "Mania 2" without any of the Mania devs involvement so long as Taxman agrees to license it.

Man, I just got here cause I like good Sonic threads, calm down...

Are your knees tired?

Seeing as it's Christian Whitehead and dude doesn't have 3D game making experience, at least not Sonic Adventure style.

If it's Sonic it'll probably be the sort of sprite work shit that Arksys does with Dragon Ball FighterZ. FighterZ is not actually 2D

white jungle from sonic adventure 2

A fake adventure 3 would be god tier but I just expect more intricate special levels

white jungle from sonic adventure 2 for fucks sake

>Sonic
Cool
>3D Sonic
Fuck off with this shit, it’s what ruined Sonic to begin with and splintered the fucking fanbase. Sega, Sonic Team and Iizuka need to stop this dumb shit.

I just don't think it adds up I guess. You get this really passionate Sonicfag who even hails from Sonic Retro, he made top quality remakes with his wonderful engine, and finally got to make his own game to garner high acclaim. Do you really think he'd never wanna do Sonic again after all that? A break? sure, I understand that completely, we all need it sometimes, but why would that warrant never wanting to come back? I'm only assuming here, but sometimes I get the vibe that people who try to make a narrative that they're gone forever are secretly people who want them out of the picture because Mania upset them for some reason. I mean, they even said last year they wanted to get him for more classic series projects because I thought they were implying that they were gonna turn 2D Sonic into its own brand now.

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WHITE. JUNGLE. SONIC ADVENTURE 2.

>Every-fucking-one in this thread is conveniently forgetting when Sonic Mania had a 3D special stage
Y'all stupid.

Oh okay. Guess I forgot

FOR FUCKS SAKE DUDE

Do you have the autism?

I have played SA2 in ages, and if the stage ain't Green Hill Zone, Chemical Plant Zone or City Escape, you're not going to see it again

'scuse me miss?

are you retard or something? that was not my point

Shut the fuck up, I will slap the fuck out of your short punk ass

>I mean, they even said last year they wanted to get him for more classic series projects because I thought they were implying that they were gonna turn 2D Sonic into its own brand now.
Honestly, I don't think 2D Sonic will work long term unless handled carefully with good amount of time (like 3-4 years) between releases unless they have some crazy good ideas for innovation.

It’s not like I’m wrong, faggot. Go choke on a cock internet tough guy.

>he actually finished it

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give me some clips now
how does she get fat

I don't think we would even be this desperate for a new classic game already if it wasn't for Forces and TSR bringing us right back into the mediocrity right after we were in the clear, I can't believe how much Forces shit the bed right after we got greatness. Also we're in another drought due to a combination of Sonic Team's next game not coming till 2021 and just how quiet Sega has been on Sonic lately. That's the real issue here, they won't tell us a goddamn thing. We're basically starved thanks to Sonic Team's fuck ups once more.
That and.. I kinda miss the old Mania threads, they were literally the best of their kind, I wanna relive that magic with you all again...

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JUST MAKE SONIC ADVENTURE 3 CHRIS!

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fpbp

This is our thread, IGN.

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Just testing the physics nothing to see here

Oh how they'd love us to believe that...

Fucking finally, 2D Sonic is unfun trash.

Sonic's pretty much just a budget series and SEGA has most certainly slowed down Sonic production compared to the 2000s and early 2010s. We're pretty lucky Sonic still has a high floor for sales numbers.

Who says they're even working on Sonic? It might be something completely unrelated.

>forgetting nigger sonic

I never did, bro, they're just not part of the same image.

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If you faggots want a good 3d sonic game not marred by sega's bullshit, especially an Adventure style one, check this shit out. It's even got cheesy awful rock music.

youtube.com/watch?v=U1sIGMnV4_o

It's not apparent in the video but it also has the 2d sonic's multi-tiered/pathwayed level design.

i wanna replay mania but the level selection is so shit
the new levels were the literally only good ones in the game

mod it nigga.

For what it's worth I still got more out of TSR than I did Forces. It isn't a great game but it's fine enough for what it is.
Surprisingly the trailers for the new Mario and Sonic are making it look like a better effort than Forces was, too.

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Blaze is Sonic but better
>isn't as fast but can keep up
>Fire powers
>Immune to fire
>Is a Princess
>gets her own ost when you play as her
>Heels
>Itty bitty
>Has the best BBQs
>Is polite
>Has her own set of emeralds
>No one but her can use the Sol emeralds
>Has a sceptre that is stronger than a super state
>Can still transform even when the emeralds have had both positive and negative energy drained
>Is the best character in 06
>Will sacrifice herself for an apocalyptic wasteland
>Can fly
>Can swim
She's the best.

youtube.com/watch?v=kVo5NsDMvMI
if you fuckers want to know

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>twitter.com/CFWhitehead/status/1166110002752315392?s=20

I want to believe this is for Sonic but lizuka is literally retarded.

Sonic Adventure Mania here we come!

i thought iizuka liked the mania team?

he also allegedly likes Sonic and yet here we are

He does.

That might be because
The olympic games are where the Unleashed and Generations team went

this guy needs a haircut
also it's gonna be the cheap 3d like the old games
these guys on't have the ability to make an actually physics based 3d game (its hard actually).

That didn't stop Murasaki and Hero

A classic sonic with a 2D gameplay but low poly 3D + 2D mix visuals can be fantastic

>Sonic Mania 2 is going to be 3D confirmed
That's not how the word "confirmed" works.

Yeah, I know. But from what I've heard the last two titles were a bit lackluster compared to the first few (especially Rio since I actually got that game and ended up feeling disappointed that they expanded the roster with guest characters only to lock them to a single event each, and the 3DS version had its own fair share of dumb design choices when it comes to the roster) so I'm honestly hoping they don't do that shit for this one, because it's doing a great job of selling me so far.
youtu.be/Yf6rZzwrieU

a full on 3d game that is physics based ain't happening, they don't have the know how or that, those positions aren't enough
they are making a 2.5d sonic game or a 2.5d scroller

I'm fine with more 2D action but you can't tell me that full on 3D is impossible to learn

Played this game when it launched and it was great. Not GOTY material by a long shot, but Sonic Adventure/Heroes layout levels with Metal Gear Rising bossed was really fun overall.

it's possible just that the team as it is composed as far as i know does not have the know how to create a good full on 3d sonic, i mean that could change over time as they build up...but most importantly sega would never let them make a 3d sonic game

Neither of them, but looks pretty nice. Thank you, user.

Oh fuck off. OP here, this thread has had more genuine discussion than all SmashTrash Roster threads had all day, all 20 of them. Which was to my surprise, as I actually don't expect Taxman to have anything to do with Sonic because SEGA is going to save face trying to "reinvent the magic" for themselves with their new "Pillar Team" in the states, but I am more than welcome to be wrong and Taxman and co does end up making the next Sonic project, Mania 2 or otherwise, because fuck us they are great devs compared to SEGA's trash since the death of the Unleashed team.

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Fuck Sonic Mania 2, Sonic the Fighters 2 when?

>If it's Sonic it'll probably be the sort of sprite work shit that Arksys does with Dragon Ball FighterZ. FighterZ is not actually 2D
Speaking of Fighting games
youtube.com/watch?v=FcxR-FYS5wI
twitter.com/_OriginofStorms/status/1165837456564006917

TROO FARRRRR
BUGS IN ANUS

>los angeles
>commiefornia

Kinda makes me sad seeing some people get mad at Mania just because it's not a modern sonic game. That's not what it's about though, Mania wasn't a fun time solely because it was a classic style game. I mean, I definitely have a genesis era bias, but it was fun because it had great level design, proper momentum physics which is what Sonic's always been about, it's what helps him get his trademark speed so much in the first place, and most of all... Passion. All of these things can be done in 3D too, obviously, but seeing a Sonic game in general with this much passion put into it is why I and many others loved it. When is the last time we had that much love put into a sonic game? Probably 2008 or 2011. So you're damn right I was happy to have a game this nice again.

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The real sonic mania was the friends we got along the way. My favorite was the 3rd worlder poor fag who'd post Tom cat

We all miss Tomposter.

I miss Mina poster, as annoying as they were.

I thought that was just a sonic general thing?

It was, but I feel like they needed to be mentioned.

Yeah, I might give it a go too.

I hope not, hopefully it's adventure related, mania should stay 2d imo

Mania is even worse than the worst 3D game because it's a total rehash. That webm you posted is literally straight out of Sonic 3.

>475671656
Zoomers, everyone...
Also, Mighty and Ray are not in Sonic 3K.

Here's your (You) though I'm not sure you deserve it

This isn't in Sonic 3 either.

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>confirmed
We don't even know if Evening Star's next project is going to be Sonic-related or not.

But yeah, the idea that Taxman is automatically disqualified from making more Sonic games because he has his own studio now is a little strange. Sega's outsourced different projects to other devs before, why would Evening Star be any different? In fact, wouldn't getting them together be even easier, now that most of them are under the same roof?

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I think people took the Iizuka hates them meme a little too seriously or deeply.
Either that or what the other user said
>I'm only assuming here, but sometimes I get the vibe that people who try and make a narrative that they're gone forever are secretly people who want them out of the picture because Mania upset them for some reason.
I know people will also say nip pride on SoJ's part, but if they really hated the game that much, why would we get so many promotions for it, even post launch? They don't seem to care as long as it makes them money.

>Stealth announced a new project in the works a couple of days ago
>Taxman announces new openings
Could they be related?

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I know Stealth is working on a skeleton grapple game, but other than that, we don't know.

Stealth doesn't work for Evening Star

Makes me wonder if him and taxman aren't on the best of terms anymore, cause you'd think he'd wanna join.

Anyone else enjoy Sonic Forces? I think it has the best 3D sections in any game, but probably some of the worst 2D ones.

>tfw it's just a looney tunes fighting game or some other bullshit

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no

yes

you could trust a hobo more than sega at least they will try.

Sonic Mania had multiple 3D characters in it. Yes, they were low poly, but they were still 3D.
For all we know, Mania 2 will be a 2.5D game, like a better Sonic 4 Episode 2.

Iizuka truly does love Sonic but he’s stuck as a producer now when he was really good as a code monkey. So now he’s stuck with a team of idiot interns and retards coding and directing the games.

If that happens, I just really hope it'll be done right.
2.5D can look real bad if you get it wrong, which is easy to do.
You also need really good particle effects to compliment it, Mega Man 11 did that part pretty well.

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Because the gameplay is good.
Yeah, the level design is a messy load of bollocks, but it's more there to let you play with Sonic's moveset.

Why are you doubting the Mania team for even a second?

I'm not, it's just hard to get a 2.5D game right in Yea Forums's eyes.

Stealth probably isn't on the best terms with Sega after Sega tried to throw the devs under the bus after bungling the PC release.

I'd legit feel bad for the srb2 team considering they've been going at it for like 20 years now

Wasted potential (Gameplay wise, the story is unsalvageable). I've seen trains longer than most of Forces Levels and what level design there is is trash.

I still can't believe they did that. And then it took two years for them to finally remove the denuvo. They 'really' tried to sabotage that game's pc version big time.

I find it just simple fun. Some of the stages are a lot more fun than Generations stages.

>Spark the jester 2
>spark is outside of a shot in the intro never seen in the game
What did lakefeperd mean by this

2008.

Since '98. Duke Nukem Forever wasn't developed for that long.

This was a nice thread.

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Only thing it was missing was
>TROO FAR
But it was good

Oh let me fix that real quick with a classic.

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So Sonic the Fighters 2 I am down