The world needs a new Heretic game

you mean Amid Evil?

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oh god if it happens ,i hope they don't fuck up
again i'm fine with playing the old ones

Literally play Amid Evil that just released

in other words, what the world needs are heretic wads.

which there are already

Too bad. Raven has to assist the yearly COD normie wank fests.

Too weak melee
That barb dude was the best

doom had superior gunplay, but the level design of heretic is so insanely underrated. that combined with the aesthetic and art direction makes me unironically prefer it to doom

Heretic 2 was a gay action adventure game

Hexen has an oppressive atmosphere with fitting music, and of course unless you're using a guide you really don't know what the fuck you're doing most of the time which is part of the charm. Heretic has some of that as well. Amid Evil has the exact opposite effect; you're a powerful hero who's going to beat every monster's head in and you (mostly) know it.

I never got into Heretic 1. Felt the most bullet-sponge of all the shooters of the BUILD/DOOM-engine era.

I recommend brutal heretic with GZdoom. it's not made by the retards that made brutal doom, it's way toned down and just makes the gunplay more satisfying and fast

I'm waiting for Blake Stone to get a shitty remake.

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> recommending "brutal" mods for anything

edgy zoomer alert

If what he's saying is true, then it's basically just Heretic's version of Babel, and Babel is fucking great.

>reading comprehension
you haven't even tried it you retard. all it does is make the gunplay more satisfying became it was lame in the original, this doesn't have anything to do with brutal doom
the name "brutal heretic" is dumb, but that's just the name

>all it does is make the gunplay more satisfying became it was lame in the original

edgy zoomer alert

HEXEN SUCKS, HERETIC IS BETTER
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HEXEN SUCKS, HERETIC IS BETTER
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I remember getting gloriously lost in Heretic. Fun times.

Truth

you haven't played heretic, you're just doubling down because you had a kneejerk reaction

No thanks.
Heretic is good. But a new game will be add in Press X to Awesome and cutscenes in the middle of a fight.
It'll do away with consumable powerups because the average user can't be trusted with the choice of when to use them.
Levels will be linear sequences with arenas, no chance of a monster where you don't expect one.
And of course it'll have a four weapon limit because consoles have a limited number of buttons.
No thanks. Sometimes dead is better.

Weak melee ? Wtf are you talking about I used it all the time the axe is brutal af.

I played Heretic on a 486 clocked at 33MHz that I pulled out of a dumpster behind an office complex when I was 10 years old you retarded zoomer

Go back to Fortnight General

The world needs a new Heretic/Hexen themed Strife.

Leaning just a tiny bit more into its RPG elements, as in quests and NPC hubs, while keeping all the doom engine carnage.

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if that's true, why do you have a problem with me saying enemies were too spongy? heretic is one of the first games I ever played and I love it, but I always liked how doom's gameplay was faster and more satisfying
you need to comprehend that your opinion on shit isn't objective and heretic wasn't perfect

>there will never be another weapon as satisfying as ethereal crossbow

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it couldn't even one-shot basic enemies, what are you talking about?

Played so much co op with hexen 64

What's the point of the firemace? I played through episodes 1-3 recently and barely used it at all

But it does.

Tome it.

> bullet spongy enemies in a game that throws powerups at you like candy if you actually pay attention to the level you're in and find a few secrets

ok weirdo

What's that user? You want a modern Heretic?

Hahaha, good one user, you nearly had us going there. We all know what you really want is a hundred DLC's and Zombie game #2532

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doom.fandom.com/wiki/Ethereal_Crossbow
the damage is random. it can do anything from 22-176 (basic gargoyles are 40, basic golems are 80)
it's not very satisfying to roll a dice every time you shoot

the tome is the only powerup that boosts your weapons. while it's really satisfying and fun, the regular weapons aren't

There's no accounting for taste when it comes to zoomers

>the regular weapons aren't

I found phoenix rod, daka daka claw and crossbow pretty fun, even unbuffed. Also the fucking gloves, those sound effects were gorgeous.

Never had this be a problem. Just keep shooting into a group of enemies until it's thin enough and switch to wand or claw. Or use a tome if you really need it.

you keep saying that word while not having an argument at all. I really wonder why people like you are the way that you are. you just can't disagree with anyone, you always have to be right
yeah the sound design, feedback of the weapons and particle effects were stellar, I'm just talking about the random damage values and enemy hit points

didn't say it was a problem, I just posted literal proof of it being unreliable for one-shots

>Everyone I talk to who says they like Heretic, Hexen or Hexen 2 can't quite describe why they like it exactly.
I can: I like it because it's an FPS in a fantasy setting with magic instead of guns, and I think that's fun.

You initially said it can't.

that was a mistake, I meant it can't reliably do it, which is why I don't find it satisfying. I found it frustrating to sometimes splatter a gargoyle in one shot while just scratching them other times. it also made ammo management annoying because RNG made me use an extra bolt

>I really wonder why people like you are the way that you are. you just can't disagree with anyone, you always have to be right

Says the guy who is still arguing

>all it does is make the gunplay more satisfying became it was lame in the original
I love brutal doom but goddamn kill yourself, estrogenated fag.

yeah I'm trying to have an actual discussion
we're talking about heretic you blind retard, not doom. doom had great vanilla gameplay

Yeah, the worlds need another game where you push a button and 1/36th of the puzzle has been solved.

Yeah, that's understandable. Heretic lacks a proper shotgun and especially SSG equivalent. Also technically no BFG equivalent.

I liked HeXeN 2 because how it laid out it's levels was novel at the time. It had large hub levels that let you pick which direction to go and had to backtrack through frequently. It was like a metroidvania FPS, although admittedly nowhere near the scale.

I also liked how you could destroy half the shit in every room, and often uncovered extra pickups, secrets or alternate pathways.

I feel like medieval-fantasy FPS doesn't get enough love too. FPS games are mostly modern-military or sci-fi.

Are these reasons enough for you?

>brutal heretic
so sargeant finally stopped sucking dicks and actually finished it?

>I feel like medieval-fantasy FPS doesn't get enough love too. FPS games are mostly modern-military or sci-fi.
almost as if people didn't shoot things in medieval times

don't know who that is, just found it when browsing around some forums. it's vastly different and mild compared to brutal doom so I don't even understand why it's called brutal at all

They should've developed magic.

that's where the fantasy part comes into it

>there are no more games with that early 3d aesthetic.

hold me bros

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>no Call of Duty: Magical Warfare

that would ultimately be the only way we'd get something similar to Heretic in this day and age

You're forgetting the "fantasy" part of "medieval fantasy". Fantasy "guns" can be spells or staves.

name 1 modern game that has a map like this

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love these maps

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kino level and music but I always find the secret exit before the regular one

there was a wizards ctf mod for half life?

also this is an amazing starting level

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have you not been on itch.io?

>weak melee
>kills most mobs in 1 hit

Yeah ok buddy

You NEED to play Amid Evil.
It might be the best modern shooter gameplay-wise

Heretic needs more interesting enemies first

>clip of bullets

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the iron lich is cooler than anything in most fps games

This, its the best

didnt this get turned into something else or did they silently cancel it?

They re-used some assets for a shitty mobile game and put it on 'hold'.

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Great game.

Having said that, AE is actually closer to Unreal from a design standpoint despite superficially resembling Heretic.

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Am i the only one who thinks Heretic 2 is based?

shit i was looking forward to it too hopefully we'll hear about it nxt year.

the actual precursor of Jedi Outcast

youtube.com/watch?v=Y_E4Ek8kKnU
good atmosphere