What will it take for TF2 to enter another renaissance era again?

the heavy update for FUCKS sake I wish didn't forget about this game it's still got a decent playerbase. Love pub stomping on casual

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Roll back before 2015.

remove comp mode and alter all the medals to read "i'm a faggot"
make sprays function fully through valve servers
make it pay to play again for $5 to make hacking more expensive to continue doing
ban all 2nd and 3rd world IPs and known VPN/proxy service IPs
ban all known tf2 jewtubers and release their credit card info via public broadcast like with the rings
shadowban furry and other retarded "themed" servers via a private blacklist
buff the demo by making him white

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A classic mode playlist that unnerfs 95% of the weapons.

the guard dog

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-re-optimize the source engine to not run like absolute shit no matter what
-remove matchmaking and make community servers the norm again

I see these things as the absolute bare minimum required for tf2 to be playable again, it would still take work on top of that to make it truly great again, but these two things are absolutely required before anything else. The first because there is just no fucking excuse for how the game not only looks worse than it used to, but also manages to run worse at the same time. And the second because matchmaking has and always will be fucking cancer that only limits how you play, rather than expands it.

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prophunt, slender fortress and VSH, great modes, I loved the fort wars, but nobody plays it anymore

>Remove cosmetics from the game
>Remove non-default weapons
>Create new maps
>Remove matchmaking for everything but ranked mode

Done

It's a containment game and it does its job just fine. No Renaissance possible, how about a sequel instead?

Remove the game from everybody's library who didn't pay for it, and then make it cost $50.

baste and cook for 30 minutes pilled

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>optimization patch
>spring cleaning patch
>add scramble/switch the team back to casual because noobstomping is boring
>that's it
all I care about really, all the other shit can wait

I'm not even memeing here, either. I genuinely don't think it is fixable without first purging the unwanted from the playerbase. The easiest way to do that is to just ban anybody who didn't pay for it.

>tfw played tf2 in worst computer ever
Kill me

Female characters

remove phlog

stopping the hackers comes first. $5 to make an account just to hack again is a very costly hobby, you still need fresh blood to keep the body alive tho. god help me if im stuck with a bunch of retards playing the game super duper serious and circlejerking about balancing issues just because they got to the bottom of the barrel, the newcomers drown them out and invalidate them by virtue of simply existing.

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Used to be pretty decent as scout and demo , now I seem to destroy anus as sniper and engie but can barely hit shit as scout or demo. Fuck I have better accuracy as heavy (and much longer life spans than scout or demo)

What’s happened to me? Have I become a shitter

>the heavy update
How do people not realize that the Heavy update already happened? It was called the Jungle Inferno update.
>Valve says the Heavy and Pyro will get an update
>Then say only one of them will get an update
>Update rolls around and Heavy gets more cosmetics than the Pyro and even a better weapon than anything Pyro got

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It's easy to get rusty as scout and demo. I have to play them nonstop all day to get warmed back after a long break and I'm eating shit the whole time.

Slender Fortress and VSH

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crossplay with consoles
dont know why they havent made it f2p on ps4/bone

>he plays ranked
Dropped. Go back to smurfing on CS:NO with gooks and small children.

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>remove random crits
imagine unironically defending rng based mechanics in a skill based game
>remove autobalance
because it's real fun when you get autobalanced at the end of the match/while trying to fuck the absolute shit out of the enemy team
>revert or rework some weapons to be usable
specifically baby face's blaster, ambassador, sandman, dead ringer, bison, pomson and most importantly caber
>bring back quickplay
self explanatory

there, i fixed tf2

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How about Valve making Team Fortress 2 and you can actually use your hats in both games so a new flood of people are going to play team Fortress 3 .
Maybe they can aczually advertise the game that would be cool.

I dont want another blunder like Artifact or Dota Underlords

fuck right off, dane.

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>daaaaaaeeeeeeee u hate crit that mean u uncle dane lol
you are a worm beneath my foot
don't talk to me
don't contact me

>remove crits
yeah I agree, fuck that shit
>remove auto balance
no it's a necessary evi
>revert or rework some weapons
yeah, amby was not op. bfb is fine rn tho. sandman should be back. dead ringer is fine. bison needs a bufff. pomson does 2. and caber needs a buff
>bring back quickplay
this

>TF2
>Skill based game

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>it's a necessary evil
can't you just bring back scramble and autoscramble instead?
it'd be miles better than getting randomly thrown on the enemy team, not even at the end of the round
>dead ringer is fine
i disagree, i think it's fucking shit now
the perfect dr was the tanky one without the speedboost

tf classic is what you want

they fucked the game by going f2p
they fucked it even more by hiding the servers and almost forcing you to play on shitty valve servers with randoms
and at the end they absolutely destroyed it after adding competitive trash
t. started playing in 2007

remove valve, they clearly stopped giving a shit about tf2

All the community servers were Dustbowl actually.

>-re-optimize the source engine to not run like absolute shit no matter what
Alternatively, DON'T RUN A SOURCE GAME ON A FUCKING 486 OR 386, YOU THIRD-WORLD CUNT

single player game

So you actualy are dane lmao, fuck you and your 'trickle down balancing' tf2 isn't a competive game

it used to be playable on a core 2 duo and some garbage gpu like geforce 7900gs

you are worthless
do NOT talk to me
i literally did not ask you
why the fuck are you talking to me

Your dying channel is shit and you know it.
I've achieved more in life then you ever will so stay salty over shit being posted on a online mongolian carpet board.

>inb4 "lol the community should handle tf2"

and then we get fucking e-celebs whipping their subscribers around and changing shit.

you've achieved nothing
you are nothing
don't contact me

would lauf if you were actually dane.

the fact that he's spittin facts about random crits and i agree with him doesn't mean that i'm a fat piece of filth that mains the worst class in the game
imagine actually wanting the game to play for you

That's the point, even if you don't play ranked keep matchmaking out of normal servers

I am new to the game, can anyone tell me where most players play?

lmao uncle dane way to be a useless fuck in comp

Reminder that Dane unironically thinks tf2 will be saved once the E-sports scene picks up.

upward/2fort/dustbowl/hightower

good of you to asume that but unlike you I am
Married.
fathered a son.
landed a stable community job that will NEVER dissapear unless the entire country systems collapses.
Getting ready to buy my own house.
but hey atleast you got that sick unique virtual hat.

i literally didn't ask

>REMOVE RANDOM CRITS FROM RANGED WEAPONS
>GIVE MEDIC THE SAME MELEE CRIT SCALING & CAP AS EVERYONE ELSE
>MAKE IT SO MELEE CRIT CHANCE IS CALCULATED SOLELY BY BASE DAMAGE DEALT, I.E. CRITS WON'T LEAD TO EVEN MORE CRITS
>MAKE MELEE DAMAGE ONLY CONTRIBUTE HALF AS MUCH TO INCREASED CRIT RATE, I.E. IF YOU JUST RUN AROUND MELEEING PEOPLE YOU WON'T GET AS MANY CRITS. USE YOUR OTHER WEAPONS!

there i fixed crits
melee crits are fun and the only reason to ever use melee and now they'll be a skill based last resort fuck you

is it on community servers?

Less hats, more patches

go fuck yourself overwatch reject

>and the only reason to ever use melee
imagine being this retarded
you don't even know what a melee weapon

i have 6000 hours in tf2 and 0 in overwatch
fucking
dilate

sure buddy

>and the only reason to ever use melee
ever heard of boston basher
ever heard of disciplinary action or the escape plan
ever heard of the powerjack or the homewrecker
ever heard of the pain train
ever heard of gloves of running urgently
ever heard of the engineer class
ever heard of the ubersaw
ever heard of bushwacka
ever heard of the FUCKING SPY CLASS

Why does every TF2 thread gets derailed by Uncle Dane shitters?

valve servers are probably the most populated. just use quickplay if you're unsure.

>GIVE MEDIC THE SAME MELEE CRIT SCALING & CAP AS EVERYONE ELSE

but he has the same scaling and cap at 60% like everyone else. You should really play the game more before making comments like this.

I think you're pretty based, user.

can't seem to get random drops on idle servers anymore, why?

valve probably fucked drop rate with that crate patch

>idling for items that are worth less than 3 cents
nigger what are you doing

The only way to fix TF2 is to start over newfags that never experienced the golden era will tell you the game is fine as it is

This
All F2Ps have to go

how do you get items then?

>2 extra teams
>red vs blu vs green vs yellow like in TF classic

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afaik healing counts as damage dealt for this purpose and it's infinitely easier to heal your team as medic than it is to deal damage with any other class since it's a constant thing
in that sense it does not scale the same

only if you think different ways of reaching the goal means different scaling.
the damage scaling to percentage is the same. I would also argue that engineer has better scaling than medic.

Also you would be arguing that the medic can only crit based off his damage dealt, which means he needs to deal 400 normal damage before he gets a 50% chance to crit with a bone saw. So effectively you're removing melee crits from medic.

If you buy a single key, go to scrap.tf and trade those for any hats or weapons you want. Guns are 0.5 scrap while the average cosmetic is around 1 ref.

it would take Valve to enter another renaissance which we know won't happen

>be dane
>be so obsessed about your perception online that the spiderbot you purchased from some gook to search for memes of you leads you to lash out against mongolian curling forum posters for being right
>be so retarded that you fail to hide the fact that it's you and that you are so retarded
fucking retard

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just stay mad dude

>-re-optimize the source engine to not run like absolute shit no matter what
You PC is actually so shit it can't run tf2 holy shit aren't you embarassed to admit that on a video game forum?

he has a point though, I remember playing tf2 on core 2 duo and some gpu with 128mb vram, today the game is so bloated it need way better hardware than it should. Source engine is not suited for these models made of separate parts, other engines just have that writen from the beginning, being more optimised for that sort of thing, in source it's a very heavy hack. Anyone who moded hl2 back in the day will know what I'm talking about

x10-1000 and Zombies

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>limit match-making to competitive games, make default valve servers go back to the old community server menu
>let people switch teams if they want to
>no random crits
>class limits on spy and sniper
>fucking fix 2fort and hightower or remove them entirely from valve servers

new playable class when?

Return of drop in/drop out Valve servers.

The removal of matchmaking and valve servers. All the community made content that exist in the game sprouted from the golden age when community servers were the norm. Tf2 is a community game and thus is at its best when it has a community. Not a bunch of 10 year olds playing casual matchmaking.

I mean Dane, you sound pretty mad.

don't ever call me that again you fat slut
your days are numbers

Make it happen, I dare you. Not like we have anything better to do on our Tuvan throat singing forum

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you will die in nanoseconds

And random crits will be removed when I do

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>tfw found a Dustbowl lobby on 360 yesterday
>tfw had a ton of fun
Actually managed to get a full lobby. Only like two people had mics, but there was still good team coordination and it got to the point that the other team began ragequitting.

Idling isn't worth shit
>Items no longer queue so you can only have one un-opened/unclaimed item at a time
>Drop rate set on a weekly rate/maximum
>The number of drops per week is pretty low

another higher hightower

engine upgrade so valve can do more shit in it

god i would love to play launch tf2 again
it seems so much more balanced compared to what we have now

Just eliminate matchmaking system. TF2 popularity is from its custom servers. Thats it, that alone would revitalize the game again.

Well, it still works on 360! Even still gets exploit patches, just none of the named content patches. So no Pyro Update for airblast, no Sniper vs Spy so the Spy's backstab isn't instant, etc.

dont you need xbox live though?

>TF2 popularity is from its custom servers.
I would disagree. I would say it's from the drop-in, drop-out speed of the servers, not necessarily what they're running.
Before matchmaking, you could jump from a round of completely pure Dustbowl with no sprays or skins or anything, jump into a trade server with Minecraft shit, go over to a zombie server for a round, and then hop back into traditonal TF2 within the span of like fifteen minutes.
Now, matchmaking causes like 3-5 minute queue times for traditional stuff. All of the "custom servers" are still there, untouched. They're just not enough ALONE to revitalize the game, because they never left. It was the speed of casual, traditional TF2 that left.

>imagine unironically defending rng based mechanics in a skill based game

the difference between regular rocket and glowing rocket is that you failed to dodge both of them. similary, whenever scout faceshots you with regular or glowing pellets you failed to predict the incoming attack and you died the same.

crits reward good players more than punish weak players

youtube.com/watch?v=snIXUOS8BXU
add him

but what if i didn't want to dodge the rocket?
what if i wanted to surf it to escape from a dangerous situation with 50 health remaining?
what then?

>Keep the maps
>Remove the class-kit updates
>Remove hats
There, we fixed TF2.

I don't know who dane is but he sure sounds like a faggot.
remove ranked. Quit trying to become overwatch when overwatch is trying to become you.

How do I fucking get good in Pub as demoman?

retards should stop expecting new things from tf2, is it not enough that its remained incredibly fun and soulful for 15 fucking years?

use stickies with boots on

based

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I go shield pill launcher each time is it that bad?

yes stickys are op

Heavy is credit to team!

remove matchmaking
im so fucking sick and tired of every fucking game being a steamroll in one direction
i havent played a single game where that wasnt the case since meet your match royally fucked the game forever

imagine if she peed in a jar lol. i'm just cracking up thinking about it.

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pay youtubers to pander to people nostalgia like minecraft did

fix the weapons again and then maybe people will play

It never will because the ammount of new things they'd have to add in order to undo all they fucked up with the old things would be greater than any previous update.
Just wait for Team Fortress 2 Classic

TF3

I miss STAR_.
The new ster is angry all the tims.

Tf3 being released
Tf2 needs actual fucking devs

Community servers are pretty much dead. Most people just use casual to play.

Also are all awful maps (the worst maps in this game have a nasty habit of being the most popular). Though they can be good for getting the hang of the game precisely because the maps are so bad people aren't really playing them for the objective and won't expect you to either.

>making spy even more shit than he already is

Source 2

>over ten fucking years
>babbies still crying about crits
Go to your nocrit safespace and rot, faggots

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stop that tank, and vsh without the dumb meme bosses.

>Go to your nocrit safespace
I can't because community servers are dead
I bet you think this is a good thing too

I really like Mercenary Park.

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>m-muh community is ded
>look up community serbs
>still running

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if they were ever going to include guard dog, they wouldn't do the sniff thing.

>removing customization and self-sustaining economy that has kept the game alive
>removing alternative playstyles
ok the map thing i agree with
>removing an option that allows you to quickly navigate maps and queue up for a casual match in the background
>he's actually DEFENDING comp
Please, PLEASE go back to your overwatch threads.

why does pyros airblast still fucking reduce your ability to airstrafe?
it's far too easy for him just to right click on you at a cliff and you can't even recover because your control goes to shit.

me too, even has its own video. really like all the jungle inferno maps though. and this guy. if there were physical comics i'd own them all.

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>pyro is broken
Oh gee who'd've thunk it

Did you know that pyro is the only class who has a weapon that is a STRAIGHT upgrade to stock with no downsides?
Fuck you valve, you didn't balance shit with the pyro update, only thing that happened was that his fire was more predictable

play csgo

it's literally fucking rng mechanics: the game with unresponsive shit movement
why would you recommend that to a man who hates random crits

>Team Fortress 2: The Sequel

We all know Valve can't count pass 3.

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His videos with Jerma were the fucking best.

New weapons

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>STRAIGHT upgrade to stock with no downsides?

nah.

It was a trip watching ster talk about his old videos.
The game is still a crazy mess.

For valve to give a shit about anything

Fix the fucking pyro.
Jungle Inferno made everything worse, and only made w+m1 more viable

Well they need to nerf Spy for starters
Being able to go invisible and instakill is way too OP

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that's bait
i KNOW it's bait
every single sign SAYS its bait
but I just can't stop myself from asking, "Are you fucking retarded?"

>boot TF2 after a few years
>interface is absolute dogshit
>ridiculous server system that forces you to play shitty community maps
>retarded animations and server reset every few rounds, warm-up rounds and other time-wasting shit
>constant overbearing voice acting
>graphics have aged like shit (could have polished them like csgo vs source)
>stupid muh e-sport and social crap UI
>weapons behave differently than they did when I last time played
>do a 360º and walk away

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>"I-It's gotta be bait because xhe disagrees with me"
No. Spy is way too broken and trickstabs are unfair
Heavy also needs nerfs because his healthpool and damage is too big.

please stop
i'm begging you
i really really really don't wanna get pissed off at bait

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>minicrits on non-fully charged headshots
>delay on backstab kills
>reduce all crit damage for every class to 200% instead of 300%
Did i fix it?

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Its not bait! Shut up you racist! Just because you don't undertand good game design like me, doesn't mean its bait.
Fortunately, I know how to fix TF2:
>Only 6v6 games in matchmaking
>Turn off random crits
>No duplicate classes in matchmaking
>Heavy has to reload his minigun
>Everyone gets infinite ammo
>Only payload, koth and attack/defense as matchmaking modes
>Remove trading
>Add competitive rewards so more people play it
>Engineers turret upgrades automatically to lvl 2, but deals less damage
>Dispenser and tele removed
>Spy has infinite cloak and cannot instakill backstab anymore, his main damage is now his revolver
>Rocketjump gets dedicated button and doesn't do damage. It has a cooldown
>Stickyjump gets a dedicated button and doesn't do damage to yourself. It has a cooldown
>You get removed from game if you afk more than 30 secods
>Crouch jump gets removed
>Scout's doublejump gets removed
>Bonk! has a dedicated button with a cooldown
>Jarate has a dedicated button with a cooldown
>Jetpack has a dedicated button with a cooldown
>Every class has only one weapon, melee weapons have been turned into quick-melees which have their own dedicated button
>Air strafing gets removed
>B-hop gets removed
>Every 4-6 months a new class is introduced that completely breaks the meta for 1-12 months

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@475570801

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I'm not mad you incel racist! Shutupshutupshutup! TF2 needs more diversity, there isn't any class from Somalia or Morocco so TF2 basically panders to nazis
I'll get mods to ban you for toxic behavior

How to fix TF2
-remove store
-p2p trading only
-weapons converted into loadout sets (ie all 3 weapons as one equip
-equipping weapons across all sets as a gamemode
-balance weapon loadouts
-ban trade and idle servers

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Revert all nerfs. Never nerf anything, buff everything else instead.

Just have two major updates each year like we used to have. One halloween and the other something else. Its been 2 fucking years without a major update. The game still has enough players and numbers would increase if they did. Also update mvm for fucks sake. Its been 6 fucking years since the last mvm update.

This.
A new MVM update is an absolute MUST, especially since Two Cities is the only viable tour anymore

TF3 being made and released before Overwatch 2 or whatever big game is likely to come out and beat both.

Guys I need to know. Are there any servers that still use the original Mario Kart map? I used to bum on that map years ago and now getting back into the game after 6 years I want to got back. I don't like the new ones, they're different and that's bad. The one's where the cat bus was on the ground

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valve are basically the retards of the gaming development world, they have tf2 a game that brings in 45k-60k at any given moment. and these numbers conveniently spike up to 80k+ when valve does literally anything to the game. But yet they insist that a core tf2 team of 2 people is acceptable. Now that tf2 has reached the age that it is and considering it's actual competition you could say for all intents and purposes tf2 is already in that renaissance era, it just comes down to whether valve can stop updating dota for 2 minutes actually really focus on their other money trees.

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and that's a good thing

haha yeah that's pretty funny. I'm having a hearty chuckle thinking about what it's like getting doused in her yellow pee.

I think you mean count "to" three, you ESL bastard.

I'm going to have to disagree. TF2 might be one of the best well aged 3D games out there

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yeah, this is big brain time

>tf2's highest player peak was mid december 2018 with almost 125k
The fuck happened there? They released nothing but another winter crate, were people more excited for this than fucking JI or SF?

32 player community servers being revived

tf 2 classic

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I fucking love gardevoir

>weapons behave differently
the only thing that bothered me, other than that you're full of shit

How reliable is Degreaser + Flare Gun comboing these days? I like the looks of that Festive Flare Gun but I’m not sure if it’s just pointless flashing compared to just holding the flame thrower down on someone

I want a TF2.5 that is not a sequel but a remastered version
>emphasis on balance, performance and quality of life
>game is rebuilt from scratch in Source 2
For balance:
>attack, defense and support is now replaced by a gradient circle of strike, shock and support with emphasis on roles on both offense and defense (some classes cover more than one)
>some classes have their base stats altered to fit these roles
>dropped weapons are also designed around the above so no class is fully independent
>weapons now have separate stats for casual and comp, allowing buffs/nerfs to not be handed where they are not needed
For cosmetics:
>cosmetics are now released in full sets, with wearing full sets now giving you the effects from unusuals (fitting for the theme of the set)
>promotional items and other shit that breaks the 70s aesthetic is now holiday exclusive
>cosmetics that did not had counterparts will get re-released as part of sets
>rather than 3 cosmetic slots, there are now four to match this new system and avoid clipping (head, torso, legs, misc)
>weapon skins are removed but you can now paint your weapons
>different paintable items now vary in compatibility with paint to avoid ugly/pointless combos
For maps:
>new "free roam" gamemode where the entire map is opened and there are no objectives (for trade/non serious servers)
>popular plugins like instant spawn and class slots can now be toggled when making a map
>custom map files can be compiled for easier access (similar to doom .pk3 files)
And generally:
>option to toggle cosmetics/effects on and off for you (the giant ERRORs are replaced by ducks in custom maps)
>config has more options and you can save/load presets
>items have low poly variants to make the game run better
>custom menu music
>casual/comp ranks are replaced by visible class specific medals, four golds (most used classes) and five silvers
>ingame achievements that can only be done in official maps
>experience unlocks some cosmetics

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It's a big ball of controversial fanfiction but you get the idea.

Oh yeah, and
>autobalance is automatically disabled during the last 1/4 of the game
>you can toggle autobalance when making a map
>holiday mode can be toggled while making a map by anyone who owns a specific item (Valve would 100% jew people on this so might as well be realistic)