Why do so many people kill him? He literally did nothing wrong

There's only one toothbrush
The family picture has a little girl that looks nothing like Alice
Kara sees a blurred out book where all you can make out is YK500.
Kara then looks out into the hallway
This is a David Cage game and he loves stupid twists
I figured out pretty early that Alice was a robot based on those last clues.

If you pick up the gun before running into Alice's room, Todd will die. Either Kara kills him or Alice kills him if you fail the QTE. But Todd will definitely die if you pick up the gun

No, once you pick up the gun either Todd will die or Alice and Kara will die. You're locked out of any other outcome. Yay choices

what about the fact that nobody cares about her never drinking or eating? why the fuck does she sleep?

damn, I want to let him live but I also want gun.

Androids are programmed to be able to sleep so they can fit in with humans. The YK500 model is programmed to be able to act like the perfect child, so it can also simulate fevers and colds. This is in the extras section
To Cage's credit, there's a bunch of blatant clues about Alice not being a human all through the game, but the justification for Kara not knowing is just dumb.

Reminder that if you were peaceful you did it wrong.

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same actor in beyond two souls plays the guy in the bar that tries to rape jodie

one guy i saw playing full blind called it early especially because he kept noting all the times shes offered to eat but is never hungry

you ignored the part where literally nobody cares about a human child not eating or drinking

Isn’t this the guy with the robololi

>implying children androids wouldn't be banned even in David Cage's magical world of retardation

The Robot Twist really fucked up his character (yeah i know, Its relative to the rest, faggot)
Instead of being an abusive drug addict who puts the life of a kid in danger, he's just a retard breaking his own toys.
Why the fuck would he buy his toy a toy when he cant even afford decent housing?
No idea, was probably high

Degenerates deserve the chopping block.

I think trying to make sense of clearly awfully written characters is fun, except for this game, this game just gives me a headache

No I didn't. Literally everyone except for Rose and Kara know she's a robot. Even Connor and Hank realize she's a deviant. Rose makes food for her and then leaves the room so she's excused.

>but the justification for Kara not knowing is just dumb.
What was it? Watched a few videos on this shit but never "played" it.

Man, it really makes his character go from scary and upsetting to goofy.

She blocked it out of her mind because she wanted a human daughter. That's it

that's so hilariously convenient and retarded, jesus christ. cage is so fucking bad at writing characters

I would Imagine androids are like t.v.s in the future.

You can be poor, but you can own a fucking android for 400 bucks.

How can Todd afford both a Kara and an Alice bot when he's that poor? Not only that, but he can also afford repairs

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So is Kara ra9 or is RA9 just some bullshit plot point that Cage never felt like finishing?

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Why would a robot want a human daughter? Can you at least go lol no way fag and drop the kids ass once you find out if so? If that's the reasoning why would she give a shit when she realises she's a robot?

>Can you at least go lol no way fag and drop the kids ass once you find out if so?
Yes
youtu.be/EbOQ6c6zUic?t=207

Gun is the correct choice all the time in this game

I think ra9 is the specific error code for when an android becomes deviant

So is Detroit Cages best "game"?

Alright so I hate this game and never want to think of it again but I have some questions.

So I know that Robot prostitutes exist, and there is no indicator that they're somehow different from regular androids (so many missed opportunities in that one sentence). And we know that Child androids can be made. And I am to assume the child android is made the same way as the prostitute robot because again, no indicator of it being different.

I have several questions about this.
What is the point of a robot sex hotel? If they're made the exact way as the other robots? Wouldnt you just fuck your own?
Why.are you able to fuck your own? I mean I guess there is a use to it, but wouldnt people object to it? Odd to leave that out of the conversation, I thought Cage loves to focus on rape. Only in a good light, it seems.

Speaking about rape, what the hell is the point of child androids? I can logically see two points, only one of them being morally grey. The fact that they don't need to eat or shit or anything like that. But then, why do they have the ability to eat, and presumably throw the waste away like shit, or flip their asslid open and toss out the trash? It makes no sense. The other reason, is that the child has fully modeled sex organs. But WHY does it have fully modeled sex organs? Whats the legality behind that? Is it taboo to have sex with kid robots? Is it legal? If it is, why wasnt there one in the prostitute hotel? Would that be implying too much and look bad on Cage? If so then why did you write the story so that the audience would have to assume that kid robots have fully working sex organs?

This is why you answer questions in a piece of scifi fiction, otherwise you imply that Robokid rape is a normal thing in your universe

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Kara is irrelevant to the overall plot. The deviants all tell you that RA9 is what will set them free, so it's either the bug that turns them into deviants or Markus

You have no reason to spare him: Kara is programmed to care for the girl as a human child.

When she breaks from her constraints, she maintains her prescribed personality, and yes, she would kill an abusive father,

It seems funny when you think about it like your dishwasher killing you for slapping around your TV, but consider instead what you expect from a machine designed to emulate a loving and caring guardian that's watching you abuse a machine that's designed to emulate a sweet, dependent child.

D:BH presents a world where the governing safeties of robots fail. Without the 1st law, your injury or death is entirely a case of user configuration error.

shut up nigger, get the meth out of your head and then maybe you'll get to live outside of the cage

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They also say RA9 is the first ever deviant, which is Kara

I didn't even know you could kill him, This game was pretty bad. I'm glad I didn't pay for it

If you dont kill him and go for the good ending they try to fucking redeem him, lol, this game is so stupid

So this game.
Is he a villain or what? It feels like the entire game was caused by him, and he did it for the lulz. He created Amanda, he gave Markus to Carl. Wouldn't be surprised if he was also the voice during the Kara tech demo.

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I recall hearing the reason Connor and Hank were so based is they just ignored whatever Cage wanted them to do and did their own thing, that true?

I hate how they screw you out of the golden ending if you're nice. The entire game has you rewarded for being nice, but oh no, refuse to take a fucking stolen bus ticket and you're locked out of the best ending
What the fuck

Based.

If it was a case of user configuration error, the decision to murder the guy wouldn't have taken so long to execute.
The story is supposed to be a "robots have epiphanies and grow consciences but not self-awareness" sort of thing, like a worse version of Bicentennial Man.

>If that's the reasoning why would she give a shit when she realises she's a robot?
If the love was real then it's not supposed to matter. The game has Luther preach this to you right as you find out. Still funny how you can just ditch her after all that. I think the twist ruins Kara's entire story.
Every single problem Kara runs into is Alice's fault for pretending to be human. They could've made it to Canada long before Markus turned Detroit into shit

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Full disclosure: your assumptions and mine are probably better than what Cage intended.

This guy was an asshole, and in one of the endings it showed that he orchestrated the whole thing. Which leads me to believe, he was a bad guy. Why did he do it?

He basically designed AI that could be as smart as a human being from scratch and then put limiters on it, and sold it as a product. This leads me to believe he has a god complex. He became ultra succesful, and with that success comes boredom. And what is a God to do when he is bored? He caused Chaos, by breaking the limiter, starting with one deviant, and then watching it spread over time.

Tl;dr the top of this post

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>Robokid rape is a normal thing
well yeah

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Jodie raped him first

Bitch im talking in the context of the greater world where its a taboo, not your special snowflake porn sites

They didn't ignore him, they just adlibbed a bunch and it worked. Whenever they do character polls, they have to ban Connor and Hank because they always win
Also, Bryan and his wife are adorable on their stream of this game

there are few tropes I hate as much as the young ultra genius that somehow can't be touched

What is even the point of his character? Why introduce this in the game and then not build on it. It goes against whatever Cage is trying to preach as well. Hell, his whole chapter doesn't really fit into the big story of the game either.
Cage is fucking weird

its only a matter of time

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David Cage can't write a good romance to save his life. Somehow he made a romance that's even worse than the one in Beyond. The relationship makes no fucking sense on a pacifist run

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He has a mental breakdown at the dinner table where he talks about his wife leaving him for a younger man and there are photos around of a girl who looks completely different to Alice, so the girl probably died, his wife left him and he bought the robot as a coping mechanism. It’s why he started crying and apologising after hitting her the first time, he’s in grief and can’t cope in addition to being a methhead. Unstable.

He sells drugs.

She doesn't have sexual organs you sicko

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cuz even fake womyn deserve right don't you know
>there was literally no reason to think alice was a robot
isn't it obvious from the very start?

>mfw I was going half and half since I was actually role playing
>Half of her lines express disappointment and the other half is all in love

I'll tell you exactly what Cage is: An Amateur. And not in an insulting way either, although he is pretty shit and lacks the fundementals of good filmwriting.

The biggest mistake of any amateur writer is to present a whole bunch of ideas, and then never explore either of them. It's always a good idea to only eat as much as you can chew, which is to say, if you cant make it interesting or consistent, dont bother putting it in your story. If it doesn't connect to your main THEME (singular) dont bother putting it in your story.
Cage ignores this in favor of grand-sounding ideas that are as shallow as a puddle because he refuses to dive deeper into his own idea.

Yes. It’s still far from perfect and the writing is still fucking stupid at times but for a AAA CYOA game it’s a massive step forward in terms of game design in that choices do actually lead to drastically different outcomes.

How the fuck did SWAT not recognize Alice? If the model is this popular, then everyone should've recognized her on sight and none of Kara's ruses should've worked.

Yknow they can simulate hair out of fucking thin air so dont tell me it stops just before vaginas

It only costs like 20 bucks to fuck a robot at the hotel, but owning your own is several thousand dollars and most people in Detroit even in the future are poor as shit.

So then why is a druggie in a dilapitated home able to afford two?

>owning your own is several thousand dollars
You can get one for like 800. They are cheaper than iPhones.

he's obviously the bad guy. i mean LOOK at him. good guys don't look like that much of a fucking douchelord supreme

welfare

Yes, much better than Heavy Rain and way more replayable than Beyond. The music is good too

I don't get it either. Todd's mail clearly shows that he can't get a loan because of his poor credit score

Hank and Connor detective stuff should have been the whole game desu

Fuck Iphones man they inflate the price of it with nothing but branding and gimmicky camera tech and then have the fucking audacity to remove the headphone jack.

If androids are made, the tits and dicks are gonna be sold seperately mark my fucking words

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He sells drugs, thats what that guy who visited him came for.

Agreed. I still enjoyed the Markus and Kara stuff but Hank and Connor’s chapters were on another level.

The mocapping in this game was alright save for a few stupid moments.
Shane that it had to be attached to Cage's dumb fucking stories

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They're actually super fucking cheap for what they are. The Kara model in specific retailed for 899$ in 2038, and she was a refurb too so you could probably say Todd got her for 600$ if you wanna be generous. A housework android could legit be the cheapest appliance in your house.

The logistics on those prices make no fucking sense for what is essentially a machine capable of doing everything an above average human can.

>androids are supposed to have LEDs that can't be disabled for identification
>sell a model of android that literally advertises being able to turn off its LED

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I really hate it when Writers try to justify misinforming their audience by blatantly lying to them

Markus was kind of ridiculous. He went from being a pampered rich Android to leader of the fucking resistance in a day.

She's monitoring everything the guy does and sending it back to home base for logging.
When you buy an android, you're paying for shipping and handling with cash and for the appliance with your privacy.

In the Grim Darkness of the 21st millennium, human life is the cheapest currency of all.

Where is the wall?

Yeah his arc was kind of weird but I enjoyed most of his missions at least.

It can literally be ripped off, like a bandaid.
You'd think that it would be connected to the power source or something to instantly shut them off in the event that they try to, I dont know, hide from humans? but no.

I didn't feel sorry for this fucker at all. He nearly killed a little girl, killed a cop, and killed the girl's father all because he was getting replaced. Unlike later humans, the family he was with weren't assholes. He's the number one reason why it was hard to side with androids even though the game wants you to.

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You're thinking too small: Kara can run your household.

How much would you pay to have a captive market of X million households, which their robot maid stocks their pantry with your brand?

It's basically stated that that blue blood shit is fucking magic that makes androids work, and work cheap.

The game features a lot of science fiction that they kind of hope you can just suspend your disbelief around. They have hologram bodies and human brain-sized CPUs that handle trillions of calculations per second. I don't know how they got shit like that to be cheap by 2038, but if they did they did.

If you bother saving him you can examine his corpse during the evidence room bit for an easy lead on Jericho. I guess he had a use in the end even if he was a cunt.

This was like, the only good sequence of events in the whole game and it made me hopeful for the rest of it, because it was so freeform and showed just how Malleable Connor (or the player) can be.
He can be kind, malicious, uncaring, idiotic, a real fucking asshole, professional, even a fucking badass, really.

Its safe to say the rest of the game didnt hold up.

It’s sequel bait, in Detroit: Become Twoman it’ll be Revealed it’s actually the semen of a race of silicon organisms that have lived in the shadows for years and their master plan is to replace every woman on earth with a sexy android for their master Cavid Dage to unleash his rape fantasies upon.

Is that Angus Scrimm?

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>They all look like Ellen Paige

I think the Connor mission that follows Markus' speech mission was almost as good. I also like Connor's interrogation mission
Kara's fugitive chapter was good too, but her story gets hurt by the Alice plot twist.
I honestly think this had a lot of fun chapters

someone post the audio scenes already

>Here's an interesting character
>Lol she only has 2 scenes
What the fuck.

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Don't get me wrong, it was certainly better than SHAWN and "I literally cant stop being raped" but I didnt have expectations for those like I did this one after that first scene. Glad you had fun with it though.

What in gods green earth was interesting about this character?
Her design? Its Ok but thats all she has.

The hologram skins and hair were really too much for me. It's obvious that Davey Cagey had a "androids stripped down to mannequin doll bodies" scene in mind but didn't know how to get there, so he just tossed in the single most advanced technology humanity will ever see as an excuse to something else and then pretend like it's nothing.

>generic kween
>interesting

dilate

The fact that she was the original leader of Jericho and seemed to be a fucking psychic. But then immediately after meeting her, she drops off the face of the earth until she fucking dies.

You can say that for a lot of plotpoints in this game

How many times did Connor die in your playthrough

I died like 2 times. Connor is neat. Really autistic, but neat.

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Once, I got ran over by a car of the stupid motion controls

>tfw even androids have magical negroes

What is up with David Cage loving domestic abuse, being homeless, being suicidal, and rape? I swear he always uses those story beats

1. Easy targets for Melodrama
2. He likes the idea of Rape, especially if it involves Ellen Paige being raped or forced to suck a dick for money

Once in the opening mission, didn’t die at all during the main plot.

If you didn't figure out she was a robot by the time you reached Rose's place, you're a goddamn idiot.

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I knew it by the amusement park when big nig was like "I gotta talk to you about Alice." and then it gets dropped. That was the only thing I could think of that Cage would do that wasn't 100% pants on head retarded, although part of me was also thinking the twist might be that she was some kind of hallucination or AI program that wasn't really physically there, because Cage has done worse shit in the past.

I feel like the only reason he decided to make her a robot is so she could be hunted by SWAT along with Kara. And so he could have his whole holocaust thing with her

Her probability simulator was apparently part of a supercomputer made by a government cabal, but they junked it because they didnt like the predictions it made (Doom for Mankind).
She got seriously downgraded in the story. There was so much they could have done with her.

But thats Cage, I guess.
I'd buy the sequel game

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They gave her a dramatic introduction, then just ignored her. She should at least get DLC or something

he was wh*te

Her first reaction to everything is literally murder. It's cartoonish

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Her, the Chloe's and Connor and Hank could all get my money in a minute, but after Cage bungled the studio and press release, I dont think we'll be getting anything.

I need more cute robot games. I pray Cyberpunk can fill some of the void. Connor's voice actor really seemed to want in on that project, too.

She was so bad, I couldnt stand her.
Whats more, I read that she and the guy who plays Markus apparently had a fling that ended badly before they were cast in this game.
The fucking irony.

They hooked up while doing voice work and mocap for the game, then broke up before the game released. She was cussing out fans who accused her of cheating on him

>black robot
>exposed wiring makes dreadlocks

>tfw I had the best stories for all the characters
>Kara and the girl get put in the concentration camp for the ticking clock feel
>Markus went hard for the revolution ending with a war
>Connor broke his code and fought his replacement and had to answer Hank's questions

It was fucking perfect. My GOTY for 2018.

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I love how everyone can survive the path you did except for Josh.

Damn, it was happening during the development? That's even worse. kek
I had no idea she was responding to fans, I only followed the other main actors when they streamed the game.
Who was emailing her? I thought everyone liked Markus and that other robot, Simon.

Didnt that Marcus actor have a thing going on with his ex wife, too?
Dude couldnt catch a break.

My favourite part is the fact that he just annuls all of Kara's efforts by making Alice a robot, meaning all the shit she did for her, like getting her new clothes and making sure she was warm, was basically all for naught and Kara was basically pointless to the whole story
Man, David Cage is a giant fucking hack jesus christ

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Man fuck that bitch. What a Pussy.

Cage can't into subtlety, so anyone has a remotely evil trait is batshit insane who only has that trait as a personality

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Connor-60 was kino. Wish there had more of him stalking and trying to kill Conner-52 ish.
I loved watching him take down all his opponents with robot kung-fu.

He was fucking Minka Kelly while he was "separated" from his wife. Minka Kelly got pissed at the accusations of breaking up his marriage and cheating on him
Meanwhile Connor's actor stayed pure

I took the dirty bomb controller but I don't think I ever had the chance to use it, wtf Cage

Fucking based. That's the best way to end the game
Legit thought Kara, Alice, and Luther were about to die in that camp when suddenly Markus causes a big damn hero moment and frees the camp
There's no other correct way to end the game. The peaceful route is garbage

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You can only use it if you get 0 percent on the revolution path. On the peaceful path, you can't miss your chance to use it

I had the exact same route
Wait, the bomb is used in the pacifist route? That doesn't even make sense

I could forgive every bit of crummy writing and still like the overall story if they didnt make the free will a literal virus that can be spread by touching other robots. Felt like it defeats the purpose, if they can just be hacked into wanting freedom then are they really free? Maybe thats the question they’re asking but it meant I felt no sympathy for the robots demanding civil rights as none of them were truly enlightened just hacked.

Dammnn. No wonder he was on the outs after this game sold.
The press still harasses him about his ex-wife now and again, but Kelly is no where to be seen.

Yeah, it threw me when spergbot announced his marriage, but it was fun at the same time. Connor deserves happiness. I hope he gets work again soon.

What scenes?

What? No, she's not.

Yup
youtu.be/wy9uEK54cmc?t=99

Yes she is. Kara is the same Kara from the PS3 tech demo. It's mentioned in her bio, and then QD confirmed it. She's the first deviant.
See here

>lost his family because he was cartoonishly violent and abusive meth head
>bought a new family
>continued to be a cartoonishly violent and abusive meth head
David Cage can't into nuance.

>there was literally no reason to think alice was a robot
It's really obvious if you know Cage's 200 IQ writing skills

Bitch took off without a word!
Fucking whore left him for an accountant!

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This is a David Cage game

>lost everything to self-driving cars and androids
>surrounds himself with androids

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>First Chapter with Kara
>played her like how an android should act, basically do what you're told.
>chapter ends
>never see her rest of the game
>found out in the credits that she has her own story path
oh man I feel like I dodged a bullet right there. Could've I ended Markus's story before the street march? Honestly the game will do better if only it focuses on Conner.

He's a walking cliche, like all other characters

>oh wow I sure do love being a drug addict and alcoholic
>I may or may not molest female robots, it's a secret :)
>beating my child senseless is so fun

Has David Cage ever seen another human being?

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Markus first chance to die is the street march
However, if you screw up every mission, Markus gets kicked out of Jericho. If Connor found Jericho's location, then you can choose to abandon Jericho for dumping you.

>try to make the player hate the guy
>never even hint that he rapes the child android or even the adult one

>Hitting your robo wife.
What kind of upbringing or genetic flaw leads people to do such horrible things?

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I'm sure there are ex-factory workers that still use computers.

What if people who lost a child are provided with a free child android?

is it child abuse if it's a toaster

AH FUCKING ACCOUNTANT!!!!

Well, to be "fair" we don't know one of them is a robot until much later.

You pick up a gun, and sooner or later you're going to hell. - Big Boss

>if you screw up every mission, Markus gets kicked out of Jericho.
lol what a fall from grace, he's suppose to be a chosen one figure but instead he got kicked out for being an idiot.

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>People in this thread pretending that they didn't have fun playing the game and that they don't find enjoyment out of David Cage's batshit stupid plots

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The only Cage project that's dumb fun is Heavy Rain.
Two Souls and Indigo Prophecy are both utterly unenjoyable.
Detroit is fun whenever Todd or Hank and Conner are on screen, but it's not enough to justify sitting through the rest of it.

Dumb wojackposter.

I would buy an AX400. Can you marry an Android in this world?

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Well then, do yourself that favor.

I'd enjoy his games way more if Cage didn't think he was the greatest thing to ever exist
I respect how the game is made, Quantic Dream are an incredible studio but fucking hell fuck that hack

How are the Quantic Dream games that don't have Cage as the writer?

Non existent, because Cage owns the studio
I really wanna see what they're capable of without that fraud at the helm

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because everyone was playing under the assumption that the kid was human?
what kind of a dumb fucking question is that?

its boring if you follow the intended story. I got lucky with Kara locking her story. I thought Markus story was gonna be about revenge and shit but nope, its androids are people bullshit. Conner however gave you a choice, be a virgin walker or be a T-800 deviant killing machine, yeah im not gonna lie, Conner is based.

This user has it right. The major thing holding QD back is David Cage being a self-absorbed hack. The guy is far too fucking confident in his own writing abilities. One might also think that he would have improved after making all these games, but no, you still see the same brand of bullshit in each one.

>or be a T-800 deviant killing machine
Based. Machine Connor path is too fun.
>That scene where you kill Captain Allen's entire crew

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His team is really skilled and Detroit is probably the most ambitious one yet with all the paths. Shame that his writing hasn't improved at all.

>playing
>game

>it’s androids are people bullshit.
And it doesn’t even work because despite the game wanting you to believe otherwise Markus is just overriding and controlling them all.

>Markus is just overriding and controlling them all.
This is the worst part. In the beginning, when you see Markus and Kara break out of their programming it's good. When you hear about other Androids doing the same it's good. But then suddenly Markus starts hacking other androids to do his bidding. Like wtf, he's just as bad as the humans. Cage underminds his own narrative

Honestly think the story works better if Connor stays an enemy.

If Androids can't survive in freezing water then how did everyone survive the jump from Jericho?

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because the plot demanded it and cage is a terrible writer