You are legitimately stupid if you think this is anything less than one of the greatest games of all time

That's not the Dragon's Trap remake, it's a spiritual successor. The remake is fantastic.

If you've played a shit ton of other Metroidvanias, it's a very very boring game.

I have tried multiple times to try to get into this game but all it made me want to do was played La Mulana or Environmental Station Alpha again. It really lacks something of it's own identity beyond borrowing a ton from Dark Souls.

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>it's a very very boring game.
This. I'm tired of corridorvanias. I want something substantial.

the fun part is the boss battles, the actual maneuvering through the levels is a bit of a bitch
good thing Godmaster exists so I can get my ass perpetually beat until I git gud

It's a medriocre entry outdone by multiple games in it's genre. It has unique style and lore but that's about it and it frankly isn't enough o elevate it to the top. Stop with this extremist garbage where everything you like is 10/10 perfect game of the century and everything else is shit.

It really isn't. I've played more then a few metroidvanias and it's pretty much the best version of it so far.

Even the boss fights I feel is something Environmental Station Alpha gets better than Hollow Knight. Station Alpha's Hookshot and Dash Mechanics make fighting Bosses a blast, same with how the gun works, it fires in short range, so you have to get in close to kill.

I wouldn't say mediocre, the game performs way above average, but it isn't a "perfect" game by any means
don't give it too much credit but don't dismiss its accomplishments either
imo a solid 8/10
you may think a score that is too generous, but I feel is fitting

Ah, kudos then.

I never played ESA so I can't comment on that
but Hollow Knight you have to be up in your enemy's face 24/7 if you want to actually accomplish anything in a fight
can't just spam Soul attacks all day since you have max 6 shots at a time

Not the same user but I'd put it more like a 5/10 for me, it's average. It's not bad, but I certainly didn't feel like it didn't do much to revolutionize the genre compared to something like, AM2R

I'd give it between 6 and 7 and no higher. When a good part of your gameplay is boring that isn't just something I'm willing to overlook because it has nice style and cool bossfights. Plus this is a metroidvania so exploring the world and uncovering new ways should be one of it's main draws yet here it isn't.

Please explain how it is better than AoS in anything it does.

>If you've played a shit ton of other Metroidvanias, it's a very very boring game.
This. It was frustrating as fuck to play a Metroidvania that was extremely boring for several hours longer than other Metroidvanias' entire playtimes.
>I have tried multiple times to try to get into this game but all it made me want to do was played La Mulana or Environmental Station Alpha again.
Also this.

>the fun part is the boss battles
That is not an argument in HK's favor because its bosses are mediocre at best. It's certainly got nothing on Rabi-Ribi's or Order of Ecclesia's boss fights and the latter is way more challenging outside of boss fights too.

According to Steam stats, despite making up 50% of the video gaming population, only 14% of Hollow Knight fans have actually beaten the game.

Nah its too derivative of dark souls to be that.

A Metroidvania with Dead Cells combat would be amazing

Can't you just play Dead Cells then?

Thats not yours incel

Dead Cells is not a metroidvania.

dead cells is low effort procedurally generated crap. It cant be a metroidvania if every room isnt handcrafted.

Yes it is, bitchtits. arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/qZH-sKNxW8mAzy94LzutAQ/

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why hav you blurred some bosses nigger. thats what online guides do.

>Stop with this extremist garbage where everything you like is 10/10 perfect game of the century and everything else is shit
>Please explain how it is better than AoS in anything it does
Pottery :,)

Mean way to start a thread. HK is one of my favorite games and I do believe it's a great experience

Spoilers for anyone who still hasn't played the game? Masking names and switching languages on screenshots happened a lot when the DLC was first out.
Why be an asshat and keep the names uncovered if everyone talking knows what they are anyways? You only risk ruining the final surprises for other people who stumble into the thread.

i dont want to spoil others!

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I played it for like an hour. It was kind of boring. Don't think I'll finish it.

it gets better after city of tears.

It's pretentious and repetitive. Most metroidvanias are 10-15 hours long. HK takes the same amount of variety and spreads it over 60-80 hours.

Its a boss type game like dark souls 3. You are supposed to keep playing for them. At least get the radiance ending imo (which is easy as fuck to obtain). Fuck godmaster (or get to the third pantheon then quit). Pure vessel is a meme.

I preferred witcher 3

Chad.
Virgin.

Godhome fucking great tbqh

The only redeeming feature of Paddinghome was Hall of Gods and improved Uumuu.

Its great, especially considering its the devs first release apart from some previous indyshit.

Then why are its bosses so bad?

Got bored of it within the first 4 hours. Bloodstained was better

>Stop with this extremist garbage where everything you like is 10/10 perfect game of the century and everything else is shit.
Voice o reason and I like Hollow Knight.

You are legitimately a faggot for making this post.

>It's a medriocre entry outdone by multiple games in it's genre.

Please, name a few. I'd like to play them.

GodHome was great stop being such a bitch about it. It's optional extra content, and if you're not a little whiny cunt its fun as fuck.

>Spoilers for anyone who still hasn't played the game?

Spoilers for a decade old game on a fucking vidya forum, discussing about the game? It's their own fucking fault if they come to a thread discussing the game. You're a faggot.

what bosses are bad?
list of kino bosses:
nkg
radiance
pure vessel
markoth
hornet 2

>western Metroidvania

Every single boss within the first 20 hours. La Mulana destroys it when it comes to bosses and exploration, why would I not think this game is garbage?

it would've been great if it didnt corrupt my save data.

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2017 was not a decade ago you retarded zoomer.

>people can get to endgame in 4 hours in steel soul runs
What's your excuse to not restart the game?

Why does this webm keep getting posted?

it just killed my joy

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>Pure vessel is a meme.
>He got filtered
>By Pure Vessel of all things

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It's nothing special. Been there, done that. A timesink.

>dash and then immediately 3 hit nail combo
>before shade dash recharges
Hows that fair

Don't think it's all that great to go through motions I have already went through numerous times before.

*flex*

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I guess Team Cherry knew the game would be fotm material and wanted to rejuvenate discussion with small content updates. Though, I rarely see a thread about Hollow Knight that is actually about the game instead of whether people like it or not.
I hope when Silksong comes out there will be more to talk about.
>La Mulana
Can you explain why the bosses are good?

This looks atrocious. How much are you getting paid to shill this?

>It's a medriocre entry outdone by multiple games in it's genre
Name them. HK is objectively the best metroidvania of all time. It pains me to say it but nothing comes even close...

It's a decent metroidvania, but it doesn't hold a candle to Aria of Sorrow or SotN.

The beginning is painfully boring, and the ambiance just makes you feel like you're walking down the same four corridors for too long. The Dark Souls recovery system is stupid, the unique areas aren't compelling to play after the initially finding them, and only a couple of boss battles are memorable/challenging.

It's not a bad game but it's only elevated by people who aren't familiar with other similar kinds of games, or those who see some indie artstyle and want to jump on a hype train.

It is an amazing game with a surprising amount of content for such a small team. Doesn't necessarily do anything new, which is fine, but it's incredibly polished. I don't know if I'd call it some greatest game of all time but it deserves a spot on the list.

I love I loved the lure and the world in the ascetic but my f****** God was the pot forming in combat pure f****** garbage the only thing I enjoyed was the White Palace

Ori. Axiom verge. Guacamelee 2. Outland. Fez.

>Fez
>Guacameme
get out

ew. only one that comes close is Ori and that's going for something completely different anyway. your taste is a joke.

Ori is good but there's a lot of negatives, like the combat being utter ass. The tree section was amazing though. The sequel supposedly is going to fix the combat so we'll see.
Outland wasn't anything interesting. It had one mechanic that a thousand indie games have done before and didn't do anything interesting with it. Guacamelee was very standard with hit and miss humor. Never got why people think Fez was good. Still haven't gone around to Axiom Verge.

Never played guacamelee just the sequel

i played the original, haven't played the sequel yet. it was decent but it doesn't compare to HK. sorry.

>another fanboy thread

Hide with the wrath of a thousand suns.

>Start a new file
>Do Mantis Lords as early as possible
>Head into Deepnest
>Tram Pass > Tram
>Thank fuck I'm out of Deepnest
>Arrive in Ancient Basin
>No Crystal Dash so I can't reach Broken Vessel
>No Double Jump so I can't reach the stag
>Can't climb the spiky shaft
>Try taking tram to Kingdom's Edge
>Can't do anything there either
>I'm stuck unless I head back into Deepnest
>tfw arachnophobia
help

kill yourself

From what I've seen Guacamelee 2 is just more Guacamelee 1, which wasn't bad, outside of all the memes which they also regret putting in. It was great in a lot ways, but it was very standard as metroidvanias go. It's practically following the formula of "So you want to make a Metroidvania?"

a stupid copy pasta metroidvania/roguelike Nr. 5124124 indie game will never be anything near GOTY yet alone GOAT.

wasn't a game for me, i got into the second area i think which was poison and green leaf stuff. i kept playing in hopes for something interesting coming up, exploring all but nah.
it's beautifully presented and i can see they spent lots of recources to the special visuals of the game but sadly that's the only thing it has going on.
gameplay isn't fun, combat lacks punch and travelling around feels slow and clumsy also tbqh the "dialogue" felt kind of straight from tumblr, it is indie game after all and i hate when indie devs take the tumblr pill and do these generic pretendious things only feeble minded can enjoy.

>one of the greatest games of all time
says everyone who doesn't play enough video games. it's alright, but no way is it on the top shelf.

You can fuck off with your garbage boomer taste, I played many metroidvanias and this is easily one of the best.

combat lacked punch and travelling felt slow and clumsy because you hardly played. like any metroidvania you get upgrades that apply to both sides of your complaint, and considering HK is also a 40-60 hour title it's going to take a little longer to get those than what one is probably used to for the genre.
>also tbqh the "dialogue" felt kind of straight from tumblr,
please, this is the most inane complaint one could make about anything. "*insert thing here* feels straight from tumblr", please, stop using the buzzwords the internet, and Yea Forums specifically, have drilled into your head and use your greater vocabulary to describe exactly what issue you take with the writing. what you said literally means nothing.

>Can't climb the spiky shaft
Sure you can, but if you don't do that then just go to CoT through Kingdom's Edge