Has a remake ever retained the SOUL of the original?

doom

2016 and Eternal are more of a reboot though.
And it's shit anyway

Spyro
I know fags will > me but it's true.

you got a monitor the size of a building pal?

Silent Hill HD collection on Xbox 360.

emulate original and just do 2x scaling and 2x AA and it will look way better and keep the original feel

Exactly this, remaster/akes should either be the exact same game running at modern resolutions and framerates, or a re-imagining. A remake is necessarily a reinterpretation, so one where the Developers have to try to guess at original intentions is one that loses something versus one where the developer is free to reinterpret. RE1/2 and REmake1/2 are both good games and both worth playing in their own right, which is much more interesting than SOTC where the ps4 remake is just a lesser version of a game

Ok geniuses, feel free to read this text for me. By all means, Einsteins.

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retard

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The animations are worse so no.

Unironically Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy. One of the only good remakes ever because it was a genuine passion project made by people who loved and understood Crash. It has it's missteps but it has SOUL, goddammit.

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Yeah well it doesnt look like that on my machine
Ass hat

SOTC is a 10/10 perfect game and the GOAT game ever made. The remake isn't exactly like the PS2 version but its still a remake of perfection so it to is a god tier game.

Your machine is a phone, retard.

try opening it in a new tab
dumb dumb

reddit works well on mobile, you should go back, retard

Was it a remake though?

Hey tough guy, my screenshot was from a new tab. Try again, nimrod.

you can't retain nostalgia

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>garbage artstyle
>garbage gameplay physics
lol no

show the url bar retard

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dm'd you the patch :)

It's definitely more of a bell curve

>open picture
>touch it until a menu appears
>open link on new tab
>click on the URL bar
>delete the m at the end of the filename
>touch enter

There you go retard.

kek
Where would you put modern AAA games on it?

Are they going to fuck up the Demons Souls remake?

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>being this reddit
Embarrassing.

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On your phone its opening up the mobile version of the image for retards. Removing the m from the filename lets you see the full res version.

No kidding, that worked

Look at the URL bar and delete the one thing that isn't like the others in the image name.

You are actually retarded
Embarrassing.

I fucking hate the lack of respect this industry has for art. Fuck SOTC remake.

SOTC Remake has plenty of respect for the original art direction
Just because it's not blurry doesn't mean it's bad, SOULfag

Sometimes you might need to change the format between jpg/png too. The more you know, phoneposter!

Artstyle is literally the best Crash has had since PS1. The character designs are all faithful and clean looking.
And, like way too many other people, you're overestimating the physics changes. Literally just some jumps are tighter. That's it. The nature of Crash's pillbox means you get extra time to begin your jump, since you can run off of platforms and still jump, and that completely makes up for his heavier descent. I've 100%ed both trilogies and I only ever noticed the changed physics with some slightly tighter jumps in 1, and literally only that one bonus jump in 2.
Looks like you've gotta get better at games.

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Is the green supposed to be so light?
I recall a darker tone in the original.

It's impossible not to. DeS has immaculate atmosphere, Bluepoint hacks will surely fuck it up with nu-rendering techniques..

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Based on how badly the same studio botched SotC (a game with similar shadowplay/atmosphere), absolutely.

yeah its clear no thought went into it at all whatsoever when they decided to remake this game for the second time
they just copy pasted and hit the upgrade button on the graphics without looking back
I'm surprised they didn't give wander a dab emote
I too will go buy a ps2 on ebay to replay the original with soul on a crt with soul

>SOTC Remake has plenty of respect for the original art direction
It didn't have any respect for it as a matter of fact.

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It's the lighting I think.

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Aside from the general layout they didn't use anything from the original game. All artistic merit was lost, replaced with soulless UE aesthetics.

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The physics are kind of fucked in the PS3 version and the pop-in is just as bad as it was on the PS2. If you can get past those big caveats, it's a good port.

REmake doesn't "retain" the soul of RE1, but I'd say it captures an entirely different, but equally strong, variant of soul. The atmosphere is completely different, and has its own value.

Might be, the comparison paints a better picture of it.
Although the armor seems more rough in the og.

Master Chief Collection is a great example all around. Probably as close as you can get to original atmosphere with improved textures and lighting.

How about one that far surpasses the original in SOUL? At least if the handful of screenshots from the phone version are anything to go by since you can't actually play it anymore and also it doesn't have the pure kino Blackout chapter

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I've played SOTC ps4 remake extensively, but my memories from ps2 SOTC are still somehow more inspiring

That's because the lighting on PS2/3 was just better

The game left more to the imagination.

I don't think anyone will be able to recreate or imitate Tower of Latria's atmosphere for a loooooong time. Some levels in demon's souls were impeccable. Fucking SS tier

Yeah. I vividly remember enjoying the tone of ps2 SotC way more than the artificial, cold looking ps4 remake. I guess better graphics ALONE doesn't always make for a better game

Yes, SotC Remake, despite your cherry pickings.

There's no Demon's Souls remake by Bluepoint announced whatsoever.

Not confirmed anyway, but it's a very believable rumor given the popularity of Souls in general and how relatively few people played DeS.

Disagree. Ps4 SotC is the very definition of muh graphics. Lost all soul and mystery in exchange for muh 4k meme

If Bluepoint, Sony, Atlus, Bamco, and Fromsoft all come to some glorious agreement, I'll agree with you. Until that unprecedented announcement, it's total bullshit.

"Soul" is a meme, retard, not actual valid criticism.

how can anyone think the remake is acceptable? the soul is completely gone here

The Ludwig fight and the area after it (research hall, was it?) in bloodborne are also very well made

SotC for PS4 could have had 100x more SOUL than the PS2 version, but it was made by total hacks. The technical capabilities of the PS4 allow for an insane amount of SOUL with advanced lighting engines (the most important aspect of graphics), but the talent in that area usually gets sucked up by films. The best of the best in lighting will go to work on CGI/cartoon animation on big budget films vs. the pithy salary of AAA games.

Yeah I can think of one

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"Soul" is a blanket term used to describe numerous features and properties that a game shows resulting in increased feelings of mystery, wonder and charm in a game.

You cannot in all seriousness tell me ps4 SotC has more charm than the original. It is nice to look at, sure, but the original has actual art direction.

"Soul" is just shorthand for a consistent overall art direction built by lighting, sound, textures, etc. "The remake didn't keep the same [overall art direction]" is absolutely valid criticism.

>Ludwig fight
>well made

If it's just a regular "remaster" it could be good, Bluepoint's remasters of the Uncharted games were virtually perfect. Even their worst remasters (MGS2/3) are overall better than the average remaster.
A remake though, yeah no. They should stick to what they're good at.

The research hall was amongst the better zones to be experienced in BB, yet still I would place it below Tower of Latria and maybe even below one or two more DeS zones

>shitpost
>explain anything

Not sotc remake, that's for sure.

Damn they really fucked it up. The original had that weird "lucid dream of an age of myth" vibe, like Ico, and they just straight up stripped that the fuck out.

>game ends when entering the Shinra Building for the first time to rescue flower slut
>Wait 6 years for part two, which ends with Rufus fight - not after the fight, DURING the fight

Not going to argue with literal retards who can't express their opinions and use memes to summarize what they think. Try telling any real critic that some form of media is better because it has more "soul" to them, kek.

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PLEASE, HELP ME!

Well I may agree with you. How about Cainhurst? It had a lot of mystery and lonely feel

It's either that and with amazing new additions or this pal

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>real critic

Lighting is incredibly important and underappreciated. Relatively simple models and textures can be made unbelievable by a solid lighting system. SotC for PS2, along with cartoon shaded games like Wind Waker, Kingdom Hearts, Sly Cooper, Jak and Daxter, etc, all reached timeless graphics with a good lighting solution.

>I can't refute any of the points I have been presented with
>So I'll just harp on the term "soul" and say that I won't argue so it looks like I don't care

Yeah, you're not right, we get it. Now proceed to hold on to the "soul is not an argument" point and ignore everything else people said to you including art direction (a point coincidentally ignored by you)

not yet but this one will

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I played the PS3 version, that one's fine right?
At least the frame rate was good.

Good pic. I'd like to make a video on this but there's just so much wrong with it I wouldn't know where to start. It really is like a UE4 fan made demo

KH3 is really pretty, but man KH2 still holds up beautifully even in 4K with its simple but effective prebaked lighting on character textures.

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I didn't finish the original but this is repulsive

Not a remake.

Nigger use clover, you have an android right?

the lighting was better because the art direction was better

sotc remake really reminds me of those "nintendo hire this man" unreal demos, complete disregard for the original art direction

Left looks better in every single instance. I really wish the SOUL/SOULESS meme would die, because it's just retards pointing at technical limitations and going "THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER OLD GOOD NEW BAD". I'd rather see the actual game then make up my own game in my head because the fog prevents me from seeing the nose on my face.

Yeah that place had definitely some Berserk in it. Isolated, cold, kind of surreal, filled with spirit servants and pieces of actual art scattered about. Hints of DeS showing through

Not him but I use an IPhone 8.

Physics are a wee bit fucked. It's not enough to outright ruin the game but it can be a little frustrating especially in the time attack mode.

You're already wrong to begin with, for trying to convey "soul" as a valid point in the discussion. And you faggots seem to completely ignore the elements of the game that improved in the remake, like visuals and framerate. The art direction is exactly the same, one or two cutscenes in the remake are different and that's it. Now fuck off with your severe autism.

KH2's shading and animation on character models in cutscenes blows my fucking mind. It looks better than any modern game in terms of lipsync and smoothness.

I too love Funko Pops.

>$60
No thanks bro

Then fuck off inigger, you dont have a better alternative to using safari or whatever browser you fags use

You're just wrong if you're not baiting. Technical limitations imposing an alien feeling unique from today's mostly-clean visuals is something you'll see in just about every critique of silent hill, for instance.

>I'd rather not have an imagination

That my friend is how you know your level of appreciation is lower than that of other people. You probably judged those images based on texture and model quality without accounting for art direction and cinematography.

the remake of CoD4 had more soul than the original.

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What do those numbers mean? Im retarded.

>The art direction is exactly the same

Confirmed for blind. You don't need to keep exposing yourself as the pleb you are, thanks.

Phoneposters are stupid I swear

what about those dlc and microtransactions and lootboxes tho

which one has more soul, Yea Forums?

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>the same argument doesn't count if you don't use enough big words to explain it
Feel free to gain some opinions of your own anytime, you don't have to rely on "intellectual" professional critics forever.

I thoroughly enjoyed the remake.

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Did they even have an art director?

I just wish KH2 and KH in general's cutscene direction was better. I've been playing the FFXII remaster recently (which also holds up amazingly at high resolutions, though the remaster has a lot of two steps forward one step back) and its presentation and cutscene direction is so far ahead of everything else Square Enix did on PS2 and even a lot of what they've done since then that it's almost ridiculous.

dumb phoneposter

>The art direction is exactly the same
This is just obviously not true.

both are ugly

Same, it's great.

Campaign yes
Multiplayer is peak SOULLESS

At its core it's still a great game, just not as good as should have been.
If they had kept the original graphical style, but improved the texture and world pop-in and ran it at 60fps it would have been great.

CoD 4 had DLC too, retard.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZbyOKxlaA3w

>but it's a very believable rumor
We've been 5 years like this
People only gives a shit now because "muh souls", but if you really wanted to play the game you had 10 years to do it

MW Remastered wasn't a remake, it was just a remaster.

Yeah, that's what we get with the many directors Square employees, especially shitters like Nomura.

Nobody asked you, weeb

The art direction in the original makes heavy use of shadows and ambient lighting to portray feelings of mystery, dread, and desolation. Every area in the remake is lit the exact same. The art choices the original made are completely ignored for high fidelity graphics which add nothing to the experience after a certain point. Framerate is the only remotely valid point but couldn't that have been better solved with a port rather than a full on remake?

Left
>unique expression instead of generic ahegao
>more striking less washed out colors
>petite breasts rather than balloons
>nail polish
>optimal position for the task at hand

>Bloodbronies are at it again

don't play dumb asshole

Nope, it was a remake. they just called it "remaster" on the box because it's a more marketable term.

just emulate it, it's nearly perfect at this point and looks great

>the art direction
That's just one guy, retard. Fuck's sake...

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Cosmetics don't change the game you little pinko faggot.

The game was a remake of course it was different. I thought it got the point across, albeit in a different way. And I'm an old ass boomer who bought SOTC when it came out on PS2. I liked both games and am glad the PS4 version exists.

acting like they didn't sell us the dlc again when it should've been packaged with the remaster

fucking end yourself

Everything in this shitty remake was noticeably bad, especially the animations. Moral of the story is don't ever let retarded westerners touch your game. It's obvious the bluepoint devs didn't consult the creator on what to change, its just soulless garbage shat out because of Sony.

Yeah, me too. I beat the ps4 version several times. The original is just on a tier of its own. I hope someone else has the taste and skill to make a game of similar value in the future.

pic related is a remaster. (they took the master versions of the assets from the original game and used them in the game.)

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You could be 1000 years olds, boomer. If you have terrible opinions, that fact wont change on its own. History will not mold its way around you. You just have to accept after a decade or so that your subjective opinion was wrong, and then die with that state while the rest of us move on.

No, it was an actual remaster. The devs confirmed this in an interview. The developers openly stated that Modern Warfare remastered reused source code, animations, level layouts, and models from the original game, but it was just ported to a newer engine and added some new assets to it but it was mainly just touched up old assets. I don't know where you fucking idiots get this shit of it being a full blown remake from when the devs never said it was one and it even has "remaster" in the title.

digitaltrends.com/gaming/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-remastered-interview/

>While Raven had all of the original source code, models, level layouts and animation data for Modern Warfare, not everything about the game was fit for upgrading. Some of the art and animation was just not compatible with the modern engine, and the look and feel Raven was trying to create by remastering Modern Warfare in the first place. So the developer created new models and animations.

>remaster a game
>change absolutely nothing, it's the exact same game as it was ten years ago it just runs at a better resolution and framerate now available on more than one dead platform
How did Capcom get it so right when everybody else fucks it up, even themselves occasionally?

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...and pic related is from the remake of CoD4.
Notice how the asset was completely remade from scratch.

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Now you're just trying too hard to troll someone. The ps4 remake was good news. More SotC recognition is always good news. Now we just wait for someone to make another great game like that.

See and shut up already.

Making new higher res textures is a pretty normal part of the remastering process.

PC port is fuckin legit too.
This is the one fucking game I don't want remade, cause there are so many small things you could fuck up.

>2112
(((Not Actually You, You Faggot Kike)))

Except everyone forgot about the PS4 remake after a month. At best we now have zoomers like Dunkey calling the original ugly.

Nigger, I work as an environment artist, and I know the ins and outs of this game. It was a remake.

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That is not a remaster. A "master" refers to an original asset from older content

partial remake

The developers explicitly stated that it was built off of the source code from the original release and reuses old assets. You're a god damn retard if you think that it is a remake if it isn't built from the ground up on a new engine.
>devs say its a remaster that reuses most of the old game
>no it's a remake because I say so, look as these new assets!
You're fucking stupid.

A month of extra SotC recognition is better than no further SotC recognition at all. Now people have access to the original THROUGH the ps4 remaster. I don't know why you're baiting so hard.

>it's not a remaster
>except for the part where its just being built off of CoD4 and isn't actually built up its own
You don't know what remakes or remasters are, you stupid fucker.

>You can see what you're actually looking at.
Ooooohhh noooo.

Prove it. I also work in the industry as a texture artist, and you've shown 0 believable proof that you do what you say you do.

I don't think you can read. The article pretty much says it's a remake. They made new models, and ported it to a new engine. That's what remake means. They said they didn't use any of the old shit.

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I had no idea this was a remake and not a port. It's a good thing I didn't buy it.

No, you're mad because you thought you could get away with being a pedantic little sniveling shithead, but you got called out for it.

So you're illiterate? did you not read the part where they state that the game is almost 100% built off of the original source code? Making some new assets and animations doesn't get rid of this fact. It wasn't built from the ground up as a new game, it just used CoD4 as a base and added some new stuff to it. That's the definition of a fucking remaster you illiterate nigger.

I have a confession to make.
I'd honestly love a RE2-style "reimagining" using the RE Engine that used the core concept of "photojournalist using random shit in a mall to survive a zombie outbreak under a strict time limit" and took it in a more horror-ish direction. If only so we could finally wash the shitty taste of 3 and 4's lol so wacky xd bullshit out of our mouths.

Good god are those the Ps2 and PS3 versions of SotC? Now I know only to play the original.

>That's what remake means
A remake is when you make the game from scratch without using any old assets. If they took the old game and just touched it up, that isn't a remake. That's a remaster.

Imagine being proved from by none other than the developers of the game in question and throwing a hissy fit when you can't try to prove people wrong anymore. Get over it you fucking loser.
>pedantic
You absolute fucking moron, there's a worlds difference between a remaster and a remake. Being meticulous is the entire point of the dichotomy, they aren't the same thing. Fuck off, you're actually retarded.

tl;dr left is new so bad

Why do images sometimes not load full resolution on a phone, anyway?

PS2 is the classic, but the framerate can just tank and it tries to hide this with ridiculously strong motion blur.
PS3 looks fantastic and runs at a mostly stable 30fps, but has some physics glitches that can make some fights a bit more frustrating.
You can probably just emulate it and get the best of both worlds, I'm pretty sure it actually works properly in PCSX2 these days.

Not with those skyboxes.

>If they took the old game and just touched it up, that isn't a remake.
They clearly didn't fucking do that.

i'm still fucking mad at how hard i got baited with the cutscene from the original trailer. looked fucking cool and then "haha plastic toys!!"

it's true, the trend today with games's grapgics is that they have to look like the CGI in movies, that is, as realistic as possible; this utterly kills most efforts in approaching a game with a unique visual vision and it hinders the artistic potential of the work. The trend WILL die, but it will be replaced by another one just as dumb.
the industry needs a crash

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>tfw when I'm a phoneposter as well and I figured this on my own.
some people need some extra hand holding it seems.

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Any time you get even a little bit excited for Legal-Systendo's "adult toys", you should be extremely embarrassed to merely exist.

>pointy knees (vidya edition)
you people are pathetic

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MW4 is a borderline case. It has far more new assets than the average remaster (which really is just a fancy name for a port) but is still heavily based off the original code, at least in the campaign.
The completely overhauled multiplayer has me leaning more towards remake but there's a solid argument to be made the other way too.

>right out of the bat
Based ESLfag.

youtube.com/watch?v=OsFP7ATR6TQ
none of this is what anybody in the industry would describe as a remaster. It's a remake, even digital foundry said so. It's called a remaster just for marketability in the name.

They did, and even stated that they used the old games source code to make the remaster. Why are you still ignoring this? Because it looks nicer? They built the remaster off of the old game. That's how remasters work. Adding some new flare to it doesn't change this. They even said they did this in the interview you quoted. If you think that it can't be a remaster because the developers added some new animations to it then you really are just an idiot. It even reuses the same damn maps, they aren't remade or anything it's just the same levels 1:1 with just better textures. How is this not a remaster?

good bait
or maybe you're just a retard

what

>literally the same game with better lighting

shut the fuck up faggot

>it has better graphics so it's not a remaster
You are a god damn moron. I'm still waiting for you to answer and explain how it isn't a remaster if it is built off of the original source code (i.e. the entire original release) and reuses the same levels from the original release.

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And every "remake" in this thread uses old source code and animations as well. What point are you t rying to make? Art assets anvisuals are what we are talking about here, and if you've even played the remake of CoD4 instead of blindly hating the game because the kids who bullied you back in high school played it, you would know that the game is a remake from the ground up.

I haven't played SotC yet, but the abysmal framerate on the original makes me want to go for the PS4 version.

>it is built off of the original source code
ALL OF THESE GAMES IN THIS THREAD ARE BUILT OFF THE ORIGINAL SOURCE CODE YOU FUCKING MANIAC

>this mad

The ps4 remake is literally the same game with better visuals and better lighting and better textures, nothing about the art style was changed ezcept the color filter. and the original color filter is an option. all you're bitching about is that it's not blurry as fuck which caused visual artifacts you confuse as better visuals

SotC was a pure remake you dumb fuck.

The SotC autist is great. I like seeing him post.

more like same game with less soul

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nope, it uses the original animations.

You took literally the worst possible example

It uses the source code for the world and it uses the colossi animations. Perhaps also Agro's animations, not sure.

And you literally missed the point of that scene, faggot.

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That's not creative use of lighting, though. The framing and colors used are the same, the original just looks washed out and overexposed.

only thing it changed was the ability to play it on modern OS without changing settings. So you're basically paying for the game again to avoid taking 2 minutes to change a couple of settings

See the post above yours you damn autist.

Maybe play the game

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not him but the only game I can think of that is a pure remake is Resident Evil 2. You're at insane levels of denial at this point my pedantic little friend.

Resident Evil 1 Remake is probably the closest

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man i just want an sotc with all of the cut colossi. worm looked so cool.

Your blanket interpretation of "it's supposed to be obscured!" doesn't really hold weight when you try to apply it to ever single fucking screenshot comparison regardless of where they are in the game or what the actual differences are better the images in terms of coloring and shot framing. You're well into pseudo-intellectual territory now.

>mist = soul
lol

does soul means more fog and pixelated graphics to you? then go eat a dick

What an ironic post. You can't even handle critical thought.

Have you even played the game? Feel free to tell me what's going on in that scene.

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man, is there any case of the remake have better color balances than the original because this is just sad

I really want this to be good, but I know it'll be 90% Style and maybe 10% Soul. I think Squeenix is actually trying with this remake because they know how big it is. I just think their writing is shit and it'll end up being a cringefest with unnecessary fluffer quests. Looks great thoshame about Tifa

Every screenshot people post makes it painfully obvious. I'm awaiting the ps4 SotC exposed 20 minute youtube video in which they shit on the remake for having no soul. It'll be a good video.

nitro fueled is just better CTR, but the nitro tours feel too grindy with their unfun tasks that give you more points

ew thats a totally different style. right looks like some scene from a western fantasy rpg

>You can't even handle critical thought.
The irony is that you're applying the same braindead "criticism" to every shot using the same reasoning every time. If you weren't an idiot, you'd be able to analyze each scene in context and talk about why the original constructed each scene as it did. As it stands, all you're doing is getting upset over visibility.

>old = good
>new = bad
Time to face the truth, you guys are just getting old.

Absolute brainlet

The entire game looks washed out and overexposed. Because it takes place in a dead, surreal land. And the colossi are these gigantic black masses on a bleach white background. It's the best thing about the artstyle.

Nitro Fueled toes the line between a remake and just being a brand new game. It's like 80% straight up new content that wasn't in CTR.

Apparently dark lighting and unnecessary blur are "art direction" now.
The whole reason it looked like that was the limitations of the ps2 to fuckin begin with.

There's also like 7 or more different lighting options you can choose from in game.

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Here, I have access to all the original .gsc source code and radiant level data from the levels I worked on dating back to march of 2011. I even selected a prefab here and enabled the viewport to have the prop origin points to prove that it wasn't just a screenshot of the game in fullbright.

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>original artists work around limitations
>HURR IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY WORKED AROUND LIMITATIONS
peak brainletism, I bet you support coloring black and white movies too

Except the remake actually looks better for the shot in question. The original is really just overexposed and it looks bad. Nitpicking to the point that you criticize the remake when it does things correctly just makes you look stupid.

Please hit bump limit with your autism

The lake cow boss is generally superior in every way. The only inferior aspect of that fight is that there are no more water caustics.

I think all of the rest were overall worse.

I think there were a couple that game out around its release but most people seem like good goys who liked it, or maybe no one even played it. Eurogamer did one iirc, but it wasn't enough in my opinion. This remake is fucking dog shit.

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The whole point of a remaster/remake is better graphics primarily. You can't scream, bitch and whine when it delivers precisely that.

Stop shitting up threads and go back and play the ps2 version if you want. Nobody will judge you, just quit the autistic fucking ranting.

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The original does have a dreamier mood and atmosphere. But you could tell Bluepoint went to lengths to capture that enigmatic atmosphere. The lighting and weather effects really pushed the feel that the original had nothing on.

It might not be the same SOUL but theres still just as much.

I forgot to mention that I have also enabled view of the pink AI pathnodes (which modern cods don't use any more) you can also see the trigger entity brushes.
You can't use the original source code as the .gsc language used for the newer CoD games isn't compatible, and would have to be rewritten from scratch.

I have talked about it plenty, excuse this autist for being a bit lazy!

It's the dawn of a morning after a climactic thunder storm. It looking generic and not overbright(like SOTC is supposed to look) is, well, generic.

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>It looking generic and not overbright(like SOTC is supposed to look) is, well, generic.
Then you should adjust the lighting and brightness in the game yourself, silly. The options are there for a reason.

I agree it looks better, but it misses the point which is why the remake is dog shit. It's supposed to look exactly that way, it was completely deliberate and it's the brightest point in the game because after that the story is downhill. And right before it was the darkest point.

It's kino as FUCK and they ruined it for muh graphics.

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God the HUD is shit in both games but it's even worse in the remaster. What were they thinking with those colors?

>But you could tell Bluepoint went to lengths to capture that enigmatic atmosphere.
They did not. The atmosphere is completely generic in comparison.

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>I have talked about it plenty
You sure as shit didn't in the one people said "This looks better in the remake" in response to, which is the whole point. Don't just blindly post any comparison because it looks different and call the new one worse. It discredits your overall argument.

>shitty bloom
>bland colors
>obscene blur
>no grass
remake is 100x better take off your nostalgia goggles

Yes andoid
I hate clovers interface tho

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>It's supposed to be the brightest point
>That means they should just crank the contrast up until the point that it looks outright bad
No. Praise the original where it nails execution, don't praise it for its intent alone.

>can't disprove any points so he needs to strawman

see i.4cdn.org/v/1566787542466.jpg
This was a common fanboy cope when the game came out. In reality, you can't fix how it looks.

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>adding grass where it doesn't belong = good
The original also has better color

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>when it delivers precisely that
Wow you really are a retard

So did you miss the point? Have you even played the game? Why are you acting like a retarded graphicsfag?

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Sorry for expecting people to know what I'm posting. It's obvious you people aren't even fans. Why are you even here?

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Sorry but ps2 games look like crap specially Shadow of the Colossus

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I can't believe shadow of the colossus threads are fucking ruined because of one turbo autistic piece of shit.

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I just want to explore that whole damn city. I hope we can do a free camera at some point

Nah he's based, the remake sucks.

You're trying too hard to sound like an authority on the game, and any points you're making are getting outshone by your blinding stupidity and need to shit on the remake even when it does a scene correctly. "You don't get the point of the scene" is not a response to "That may have been the intention of the original scene, but the execution was a fundamental misstep" no matter how much you scream and pout.

This is a remake thread and autists are defending a bad remake. If anything ruined SOTC threads it's Sony for taking a dump on our nostalgia. This happens with almost every remaster.

It didn't do the scene correctly, at this point you are accusing me of what you are doing lol.

>trust me, these shit tier devs know better than Ueda
Read up
gameanim.com/2016/12/24/emotional-character-control-shadow-colossus/
selmiak.bplaced.net/games/ps2/index.php?lang=eng&game=sotc&page=makingof
glitterberri.com/shadow-of-the-colossus/extended-developer-interview/
eurogamer.net/articles/i_sotc_ps2
froyok.fr/documents/making_of_sotc.pdf
nomads-sotc-blog.blogspot.com/
forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1957634/

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>no matter how much you scream and pout
the absolute irony of this post
Not him but saying "no the original is actually bad" is not a valid argument

This one seems disingenuous as the clip on the right has a quick camera cut between 6-7 seconds, also some people might apply real world logic to disregard the webm saying something along the lines of "Of course it's easier to walk up a steep slope than to walk across it".

Every single shadow of the colossus thread has this one faggot spamming comparison images and going on and on about MUH ART DIRECTION and other cherry picking bullshit as if any of the blur and crushed black monochrome was intentional.

I really like ICO are there any games like it? I haven't finished it. Some of those puzzles are exceptionally tedious. I got almost to the sword though.

Nigger samefagging so godamn hard just get a sticky at this point

Nobody said the remake was bad, but clearly didn't retained the SOUL of the original

>HELLO MY BABY HELLO MY HONEY

>Nobody said the remake was bad,
This one gigafaggot is saying it's the worst thing to ever happen to SotC.

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Explain to me what that first link has to do with the argument at hand given that it's almost entirely about collision and movement. Again, blindly being angry and not being and to address the actual point of contention don't make you sound knowledgeable. Answer my question directly: Why did you post a link talking about collision and movement when we were talking about a scene whose construction didn't have anything to do with that? I think you're just haphazardly posting dev interviews in a pathetic attempt to sound like an authority on the game.

Show me exactly where I just said the original is bad. Again, don't dodge the question like an illiterate retard, show me exactly where you got that from.

It's all I had to work with but it frames the differences well. A longer more accurate comparison is in here, it's overall much better in the original.
drive.google.com/open?id=1yVLd2XX1wB6TVr3cCugoEFE_QmB2n_ei
The only improvement is the water physics.

Every thread also has you screeching because I prove you wrong lol.

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Jesus you cynical fucks. This will be incredible.

Vane came out recently, the old trailer looked cool but I haven't installed it yet.

>Show me exactly where I just said the original is bad
"but the execution was a fundamental misstep"
Right here you cunt. I posted those links so you could understand what went into the game as you clearly don't. You don't care to learn about it though, you're just making retarded accusations while defending a terrible mind set modern devs have.

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holy shit he looks like he's made of playdoh on the left

No matter what you do the game will look like uninspired shit, if you mess with the filters it will look like soulless shit with a filter slapped on. The tools they give you don't amount to anything.

>"This single shot did this thing poorly in the original"
>"That means you said the original is bad!"
No, you fucking illiterate retard. And answer my question about that interview. Why did you post an interview about collision and movement when we were talking about lighting and saturation in a still image?

>I didn't mean the whole game! we were obviously just talking about the graphics!
Shut the fuck up you god damn disingenuous retard. Those are some prime goalpost moving abilities.

CTR: NF

What are you even gaining from acting like this? There's no incentive to reply to a fag like you.

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actually reddit on mobile is shit

Crash n'sane trilogy. Ratchet and Clank.
>pedantic
There's that word again, it certainly seems like you don't know what it means since you keep throwing it out like someone who really wants to sound smart. You can keep arguing against the word of the developers all day long, it isn't going to prove you right. I bet you even think Ocarina of Time 3D is a remake despite the fact that Nintendo said they just took the old game and touched up the graphics.

>Oh fuck, I'm a literal retard who got caught with his pants down because I scream and shitpost like a monkey
>I can't actually answer his question, so I'll just keep ignoring it
See, that's my point. You need to pick your battles better.

go play gta fag, videogames are much more than just graphics and renders

play more games uncultured zoomer

why did they replace his JUST hair with an afro

>tfw don't care about lore
>tfw don't care about artstyle
>tfw you fucking love Gem TD
Any Warcraft 3 Repurged chads in here?

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Based SotC autist making zoomers seethe itt

on my "machine"

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I agree. Thankfully the SoTC remake has objectively more gameplay and content than the PS2 original and doesn't have fucked up physics like the PS3 version making it the best game as well.

>Hah, neat. Someone using my old color image.
I should have been more clear, because a lot of people don't know what the numbers mean.
>They actually show the range of hues. The old game had a wider range of hues. Stretching from purple to blue to red to yellow to green.

>The new game is strictly controlled to only fit within green. But not even all greens. They stop at 120 on the high end, which ensures you won't even get a HINT of blue. And 90 on the low end, which means you won't get a HINT of red. They very deliberately ensured that greens would be the only colors you see in the field and sky.

>I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, and say this is some kind of optimization method. Because it means the game has to render fewer colors. But I think it's more likely that the art director is just kind of a retard who thinks this looks better.

We aren't in a battle, you're just defending trash.

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What? no?
They only said it had no soul, maybe i'm wrong tho

You're wrong, I think it's completely shit. It goes beyond the visual "soul" aspects and bleeds into audio and gameplay.

>Dormin's voice is more generic evil and feminine instead of how it was originalls - mysterious and what not
youtu.be/_zCCmeL1lRY?t=591
youtu.be/lxCT2s--ulg?t=575
>Many environmental noises like wind, air pressure in tight spaces, and echoes missing or severely toned down
Watch the entire ending cutscene for many examples of this, but you'll notice if during gameplay too if you pay attention. Not to mention the sword's sound here
youtu.be/UjVygpnbJsE?t=758
youtu.be/lxCT2s--ulg?t=3452
>More examples from the end being fucked from bad sound/music.
youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=302
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=8563
>Added Colossus finishing blow SFX that sounds terrible
>Every Colossus sounds worse, no exceptions
youtu.be/GeIC_MVXwYc?t=415
youtu.be/G-QqSfDUF7Q?t=209
>Removed the song that plays when Wander touches Mono's face
youtu.be/WAIB8rhSfaQ?t=573
youtu.be/1hZjQHMq6oc?t=1898
>Removed another song from the end of the game
youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=589
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=8845
>Many songs were changed, example here
youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=1512
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=9719
Sound mixing in general is just off, like the music and voices are too quiet so there's less impact and the entire game seems to be missing the echo of the original which was also present in Ueda's other games. The remake just sounds sterile.

Some misc comparisons
youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=198
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=8459

youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=240
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=8501

youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=290
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=8552

youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=302
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=8563

resetera.com/threads/kotaku-the-shadow-of-the-colossus-remake-isnt-quite-the-same.22780/#post-4455687

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agreed
imagine complaining about a remake that actually keep the gameplay from the original with an updated art style of the original

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I don't get it, are the people remaking these games not actually fans?
How do that fuck it up so much?
Should they hire at least 1 fan on minimum wage with the promise of a free copy to point things out and get shit done?

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why do you retards unironically phonepost using your internet browser instead of using a dedicated Yea Forums app

>We aren't in a battle, you're just defending trash.
No, you're just a fucking idiot who thinks anyone saying anything other that "The original is perfect in every way and the remake completely ruined it" hates and doesn't appreciate the original. I commented specifically on the lighting and color saturation in one still image. Explain to me exactly why you posted an interview talking about collision and movement in response to that. You're pretending to be an expert on the game an that you explain your points, so stop dodging the question and explain why you linked that. Right now it just seems like you linked a bunch of dev interviews to convince people that you understand the game's design despite not actually reading what you like. If you're going to angrily respond to me again, then answer the fucking question.

They aren't fans they're literal hacks trying to get paid to botch games.

>resetera
That would explain why you're such a retarded faggot.

Actual Soul vs Souless

This game looks great but I hate all the fucking lensflare they added to the cutscenes, the darker palette looks way better in the original.

lol.

>he thinks I'm going to read this autistic shitpost
Why are you so angry? I was trying to teach you something.

>haha someone on a forum I don't like said a thing that means its wrong
You're a nigger.

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Halo MCC on PC seems pretty good, although I don't know if it classifies as a remake.

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Only 1 and 2 Anniversary could very loosely be considered remakes, the rest of it is just very good ports.

Something about the artstyle in this really irks me but I can't quite place my finger on it.

Are you an ESLfag? I can't imagine why else you'd be completely unable to read plain English.

>But you could tell Bluepoint went to lengths to capture that enigmatic atmosphere
And they failed in every way. Remakes are never worth it.

Damn the guy posting comparisons in this thread is right. It looks like all the enjoyment I got from the remake was fake fun :(

Wow, these two images really kill the PS4 remake for me, glad I still haven't bought a PS4. I'll stick to emulating the original.

Because they always think more realistic=more pretty

He is an authority and you're a limp faggot

The campaign looked so great that I ended up beating it twice in one weekend (once on Normal then on Veteran and got a Platinum trophy).
The multiplayer on the other hand felt really lacking to me for some reason, might be because of them introducing weapon skins and unique character models or some shit.

i know this is a meme image but i prefer the right on every account

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Probably because it's just better

The only thing I would have ever asked them to change would be those fucking convicts respawning.

It's not a memei mage, the right looks objctively better in -literally- every way. see

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>He is an authority
Linking inapplicable dev interviews to sound smart doesn't make you an authority, it just makes you a pathetic faggot.

He is 100% correct and an authority on the subject, you're a crying retard who can't even explain his disagreement.

Your arguments apply to every game in this thread. Shut the fuck up again.

Thank god YOU didn't work on the remaster, since your retarded use of red lettering over noncomplementary colors really shows what a fucking retarded you actually are, artistically. GamerGate called it wants it' "kewl red linez n sheit everywhere" method back,

>who can't even explain his disagreement.
Since you're totally not him, I'll ask you. What does a dev interview about collision and motion have to do with a still image where the point of contention is lighting and saturation? Be specific in answering this question.

That scene was symbolizing the conclusion of the adventure. The weather in the game gets progressively worse as you get further into it, climaxing with that bad thunderstorm. After the fight the skies clear and you get to see that heavenly sky in all its glory for the last time before the game ends. You finish your quest to kill the collosi, the skies clear, and then comes the final cutscenes. The music plays around that event perfectly as well.

You, who probably hasn't even played the game, clearly don't understand how intentional the scene was. The shitlords a Bluehole were like "lol nah let's cut that touch" if they even had the IQ to understand it in the first place. They didn't even bother to remove the rainclouds to give it that kino clear skies good times ahead implication. It's one of the most impactful cinematic tropes and Bluehole fucked it up completely in favor of muh graphics.

Image related was another neat touch, animated shafts. In the remake they're just gone.

Now, what was your argument again?

Hey man, I didn't add the text that was someone else. I type in the post box.

It might be a weakness of mine but I expect people looking at comparisons to understand what they're looking at. Of course they don't though, Yea Forumsirgins like you are fucking brain dead and people have to write on them like that guy did to get the point across.

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What interview?

He is angry that I posted a bunch of dev interviews and blogs because he can't handle learning about the game.

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You literally didn't answer my question. Why did you post a dev interview about collision and motion when talking about lighting in that image? Stop dodging the question, you fucking retard.

this, cranking bloom up to 11 is the opposite of soul

I'm wondering what one in particular, the original game had my fascination for months after I played it in 2006 so I took in all the information I could on it at the time.

I answered that actually. So is this your method of damage control? To act illiterate and dense?

Looks like the top link.

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Literally the first one he posted in his pathetic attempt to sound smart and well read during a conversation about lighting and oversaturation here
He still hasn't explained why he linked it, and it's clear he doesn't understand anything he's talking about and thinks that randomly linking interviews makes him seem well read.

Just give us 4k 60fps with new servers that have P2P option so they can last forever like every other Souls game.

>I answered that actually
Where? Fucking where, you subhuman retarded ESL monkey? What does collision have to do with an oversaturated shot? Stop dancing around the question and trying to steer the conversation to another tangential point. Just answer the fucking question.

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HE AIN'T MY BOY BUT THE BROTHER IS HEAVY

>>trust me, these shit tier devs know better than Ueda
>Read up

Is your IQ 60? 50?

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SEETHING

> I posted those links so you could understand what went into the game as you clearly don't. You don't care to learn about it though, you're just making retarded accusations while defending a terrible mind set modern devs have.

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>See? Ueda knows better!
Cool, but what does Ueda talking about collision have to do with lighting and saturated colors?

Sounds like it wasn't linked in the context of lighting, but in the context of everything - which the remake gets it all wrong. You're getting really hung up on that, aren't you?

>I posted links that have literally fucking nothing to do with the topic at have to try to sound smart
>I'm also a frog posting retard
Why do you think posting interviews talking about aspects of the game not being argued gives you a point? You're not an expert on the game. You're not knowledgeable. Name dropping and quoting interviews that are objectively inapplicable to the actual argument being had doesn't give you a point, it just makes you an autistic spammer. Show me exactly where I argued against anything talked about in that interview to warrant it being linked. "I was trying to teach you about something you never argued against" is not an answer.

There's no excuse for them to have made it just a 3D version of 16bit style.
For $60, they should have made a 3D version of the official art.

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Nothing, of course. Did you really need that spelled out for you? 40 IQ perhaps.

He's incredibly pathetic lol. He finally found a point to latch on and he's been at it for almost an hour.

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>but in the context of everything
It literally has nothing to do with the argument being had. The argument was "this one shot focusing on lighting and saturation looks better in the remake, and is a poor comparison to show why the original is better". He linked interviews that didn't address that at all.

So what did you hope to accomplish by posting links about collision and movement when I didn't argue about those? Why do you think that inventing a stance I never took and then arguing against it makes you smart? Why are you so fucking stupid?

Go suck off Randy Pitchford, 2K shill.

Sorry but you're disgraced.

>Nothing, of course
So you are just an autistic spammer pretending to teach everyone about the game. Thanks for admitting you're retarded.

based, thank you

>so mad you are double replying
lol.

Why are ESLfags all complete fucking retards? Subhumans shouldn't be given computers.

Yeah, you've been doing that for a while now.

>game uses a very unique type of control scheme
>triangle for jump
>R1 for gripping which lets you climb
>story sends you climbing on giant beasts to kill them, forcing you to grip the top of the controller
>end of the game has you being used as a sacrifice to bring someone back to life
>get sucked into a magic vortex
>can only attempt to run away for so long
>dragged up the stairs
>can grip on to them
>inevitably your grip fails and are sacrificed
No other game does anything as well as SotC

You're very accomplished at being retarded.

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>mfw this faggot probably unironically has this list of videos readily copy-pastable

There truly is something magnificently autistic about SotC isn't there

>autistic ESLfag still spamming
Yikes

>Copypaste links that have nothing to do with the post you quote
>Pretend you made a point
This is some Barry-tier shit.

Gotta love it, few games deserve such dedication and to see it in action is admirable. This entire board would be better if there were more people like that.

God what a faggot

It's not even out yet.

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This is pathetic samefagging

people spent 10 years looking for a secret that wasn't there. you tell me.

Apparently now I'm an ESL samefagger because I absolutely shit on another retarded fanboy.

I'm just doing what needs to be done. That one famous SOTC autist was literally paid off by Bluepoint so since he's not doing it I feel obliged to.

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>samefagger
You most definitely are. You're also either underage or on the spectrum.

Whatever helps you cope man.

>complain that the remake fails to uphold the artistic vision of the original
>post evidence to support the claim when asked for it
>LOL FUCKING AUTIST
fuck this board

>people talk about certain parts of the remake
>just dump copypaste lists and samefag the same way regardless of what they actually said
You're not very smart.

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see
There is literally another thread at this very moment with the same copy-paste list of """evidence""" and comparison images. There are no arguments or discourse. This is quite literally one autist shitposting across every remake/remaster or SotC thread

it's bait

What is there to discuss? The remake fucks it up, changes the conversation from appreciation of the accomplishment to how hollow the game has become and how it failed to deliver the intent of the original.

and you seethe every time it's posted because you are a pathetic bluepoint shill

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You're doing all the work here faggot, I'm just here laughing at the effort you put into shitposting

Yes because DeS was perfect. They should just release it on ps4 as is but 60fps

just emulate it

[shader cache compilation intensifies]

[u can upgrade cpu chip]

So you'd be fine if Super Mario 64 was so foggy and badly-lit that you couldn't clearly see anything unless you were a foot away from it, praising it as the devs' vision of letting you imagine everything that could possibly be hiding and lurking in the mists?

Nah don't have unlimited money to play something with the same hiccups but slightly less so when I can just power on my PS3.

And that's a horrible thing to do. Not being able to see the game allowed you to make up whatever you want to, creating amazing worlds and monsters and scenarios in your mind that completely trump any game where everything is clearly visible.

>i want to see things destroyed because they don't make things look the way I think they should!
And you people claim that SJWs overreact.

There are no hiccups if your CPU is good. PS3 has 5 minute loading screens whereas PC is like 5 seconds tops as well.

Absolutely not the same game. Look at how the new version completely destroyed everything the original devs set out to create, all of the atmosphere and uniqueness ruined because everything has to be as bland and sterile as possible.

>IT LOOKING LIKE SHIT WAS THE WAY THE DEVELOPERS INTENDED
Stop making excuses for them.

It's not like either has more visiibility than the other, the left is just lacking the atmospheric effects.

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seeSOTC never looked like shit, and somehow the remake looks and plays worse.

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Nah, you are just a nostalgiafag.

>you DARE disagree with me, YOU ARE SHILLEST OF SHILLS!!
You're the ACfag of SotC, throwing a shitfit because of better graphics.

Which is the remake?

TURN THE PHONE SIDEWAYS BEFORE OPENING A NEW TAB YOU FUCKING IDIOT AAAAAAAAAAAAAA I HATE NEWFAGS

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>PS3 has 5 minute loading screen
try again, now honestly.

The remake is an absolute disservice to the game and it has nothing to do with nostalgia or my liking the game(I think Ico is way better). It's pure analytics and you're a pure faggot for thinking otherwise.

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What are the WORST remakes?

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>optimal position for the task at hand
Would you eat it? I'll bet it's strawberry flavor.

Listen, if you're incapable of following a simple conversation then don't cry at me about it.

>nintendo boogeymen
just accept you're wrong, it's getting really pathetic.

God that shit on the right freaks me the fuck out, why does it trigger my panic instinct so easily?

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This man tells it like it is, anything that even infinitesimally changes or deviates from the original is the worst piece of shit made for easy cash from retards to exist.

>if you're incapable of following a simple conversation
Completely agree. People who can't read the posts they're responding to and who reply with blanket copypasta regardless of what people are taking about are literal retards.

I just checked and they're about 30 seconds long which feels like an eternity to master race man over here.

>The character designs are all faithful and clean looking
If they're not ten polygons and flat colors then no they're not faithful and clean. They're overdesigned cluttered abominations made for the Pixar/Dreamworks kids and shit all over everything that made the originals good.

That's it? Mustards really lack patience, probably complain about the 6 second load times on PS1 games too.

I was giving you conext, and yes I am an expert.

Stay mad.

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>bringing up Nintendo for no reason

>That's it?
What next, is the 4k 60fps not an improvement over 720p 20fps?

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The fuck is this shit, you can still clearly see the Colossus, what a joke.

>and yes I am an expert.
Right up there with Barry and ACkun.

Zero Mission had more SOUL than Metroid 1 ever did.

Yeah I'm thinking it had SOUL

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>destroys everything good about GSC

>Improves literally everything about GSC and still has an option for the more SOULful classic music

Ehh, even as someone who prefers ZM overall to the original, the original still has some great atmosphere and SOULful music.
ZM beats it out in pretty much everything else though

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You do realize that these were things done to compensate for the fact that the PS3 couldn't handle what they wanted to do right?

Nope, devs intention > bastardization.

>adding memory hungry effects is for optimization

The mere fact it exists is an affront to the original, same as all remakes and remasters. If it was good back then you're only going to ruin it, if it was bad then there's no way it could be good.

>No battle frontier
Kill yourself.

The intention isn't dampened, only enhanced.

You tried to emulate it but your CPU is shit, stop acting like you're against emulation and get a job.

I wouldn't call that a remake.

REmake added soul.

>The intention isn't dampened
it is, were the game intended to be played at 60fps, it would be designed that way from the start.
>only enhanced.
as evident by the DoF looking especially heinous at higher resolutions, it's looking like a straight downgrade.
>You tried to emulate it
didn't actually, no interest or need to. Always had the original hardware and will stick to it while taunting emuniggers for settling for an inferior option and deluding themselves that placebo and missing out on features I had 10 years ago is somehow better.

I fucking hate when they do that

you took "technical limitations" away from that pic?

it's funny... what one guy can do...

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Oh so you are against emulation. Apparently because you're so poor you don't even have a CPU strong enough to attempt emulating the game to see the nonexistant stutters. Low IQ parroting console fanboy.

How is that 720p holding up for you, champ? Looking forward to the Switch port?

Sounds like Soul Reaver which was awesome.

>Oh so you are against emulation
100%, I'm more interested in preserving the original hardware. I used to emulate a ton when I was younger and too poor to afford the real thing. These days back up loading on real hardware has opened up the doors to amazing things with the PS3 being no exception thanks to the most recent major exploits. It's a great time to tinker with Consoles. Most PC gamers think the solution is to throw more money at the problem, but it's far more gratifying and interesting to engage with the games as intended, but tinker with the real hardware to get the most out of them. It's a bit too technical for the average PC gamer's stunted brain, but it's alright, it's just not for them. They can settle for games I played 10 years ago.

What went wrong in your life? Wanna talk about it?

I thought you had to be born autistic, apparently not.

Shh shh emunigger. You're out of your league.

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Imagine arguing that emulation isn't a vast improvement over console gaming. While port begging. This is textbook cognitive dissonance.

>Imagine arguing that emulation isn't a vast improvement over console gaming
It's not, it's inferior. Always will be.
> While port begging
I'm not a PC gamer, I don't have to sign petitions to get games. I just get them.
>This is textbook cognitive dissonance.
No, but this is irony.

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is this calarts dropout homo gonna ruin sotc threads forever?
what a goddamn shame

sotc was ruined when it got remade

>begging for PS4 port which will never ever come
>implying 60fps is worse than 20fps
>implying 4k is worse than 720p
>doesn't even understand what cognitive dissonance means
YIKES.

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Imagine if they didn't use pre rendered backgrounds.

I only post when retards praise or recommend it because it's cool when people experience the real deal before a flaming turd. If anything the remake "ruined" the threads.

Like half of it is fine, the other half not so much. 1 fared better than 2 or 3. I think the dragons were mostly okay, but I do wish they retained the consistent body types of the different breeds instead of just making each one a different wacky cartoon character. Most of the enemies and NPCs were pretty lazily reinterpreted.

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i miss this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe

This

Silence homo

ZoE2 and Okami and the only remakes where I felt like I was playing the real thing and not a knock-off.
Same company did both too

>but I do wish they retained the consistent body types of the different breeds instead of just making each one a different wacky cartoon character
Agreed, making those cartoony characters look cartoony completely ruined the original devs' vision for the game and shat all over everything good and holy.

Ever stop to think that your opinion isn't the be-all end-all of the universe and that you really need to stop being so autistic over a video game?

Or maybe 2 and 3 were never that very good to begin with and you just liked them better because of nostalgia

>Same company did both too
Just no. More than two companies worked on porting those games, and there are multiple versions of both.

What the fuck are you even talking about dude

Why would I think that way when it's hilarious seeing autists like you cry over my superior education opinions?

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I pray to God there's some irony in here.

One things developers now do is rely too heavily on lighting engine techniques, instead of methods used in older titles during that generation. Being using a flat plane, or a single layer mesh and having it as a set color and having a slight light effect around it to generate like. Like in these images here, Where the light is actually a texture with a light source coming out of it. It's not something you can do with light effects directly. It's practically a god damn lost technique at this point, despite being heavily used on the Dreamcast, PS2 and Gamecube from Japanese Developers.

>responds to every disagreement or challenge to his opinions with "LOL cry LOL seethe LOL autism LOL!"
So you admit you don't give a faggot fart about SotC and only do this to shitpost.

The first remakes of both on PS3
Hexadrive was responsible for fixing ZoE2, because it was a mess. The game went from terrible to perfect.
They were also the developers of Okami HD

Again you can use the image here to tell it, Left is using a lighting engine, while the right is using a light source and several flat planes with textured effects on them to generate the difference in light. It's a much more artistic approach.

So what you're saying is fuck advancement, fuck doing things differently, noly do things the way I liked them when I was little/first saw it?

Devs are fucking incompetent these days and "PBR" shilling let them get away with it. It disgusts me that PS2, hell even N64 games sometimes have better "lighting" because it was done by hand instead of computed by a string of code.

It's less effort meaning the quality is lower. Like procedural generation being worse than hand placed. Would you rather an AI autmate a soundtrack or a composer making a masterpiece? Kill yourself.

It's the problem that most don't fuck with the lighting engines half the time, it's a plug and play kind of shit anymore with rare cases since it's all "real time" anyways. Before you had to actually come up with the effects/textures to make changes to the lighting as you only had a source and a color you could choose. God rays, reflections, partciles in the air, that shit wasn't a thing.

So yes, the only options are you way or the highway, I think everything that isn't what I like is made solely to piss me off.

And here I thought gameplay was the most important part of video games.

>some Japanese autismo struggled to get things perfect on 32 but machine
>some gajjins totally forget about it and just make it look between in 64 bit

>the only option is you or the highway
Please take your extremeist thinking back to /pol/. As this is a point that developers need to learn the old ways and implement them into the new way as well. Not just flat out abandon it because all the actual skilled artists retired. It's like how Miyazaki came out of retirement beaches a bunch of dipshits thought programming an AI to make animated movies was a good idea.

>and here I thought gameplay
And that's where you are wrong, Atmosphere is the largest component. It will always be the largest component.

Who made the first ZOE2 HD? I had that a bit mixed up apparently.

Still though, Okami was ported to Wii as well and ZOE2 to PC, by different comparnies. Okami HD also isn't perfect, but it looks good.

>dude shitpost LMAO
Okay.

I'm not sure how the gameplay ties into the aesthetics, which were handled by the exact same team and consistent across the original games as opposed to being done by several dozen hired freelance artists, but okay.

What?

how can a subjective opinion be wrong? it's an opinion, it can't even be right

how is the artstyle updated from the original? it's completly different

>Please take your extremeist thinking back to /pol/.
This might actually be the stupidest and most out of context /pol/ redirect I've ever seen.

>He's not only on his phone but on a flip phone

Go and play tetris you stupid fuck

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I don't give half a sunbaked shit about SotC and even I understand that sometimes technical limitations of the time contribute to certain artistic feeling a game is supposed to evoke, whether intentionally or not, and sweatshop indians and chinks churning out models for UE will never understand the original artistry behind them. It's called art of adversity and with the advent of easier asset creation it usually dilutes the artistic effort to get the best out of what you have. Maybe not soulless but definitely less thought out. High contrast lighting seen in PS2 SotC COULD be replicated with modern tech, and with less annoying bloom, they just did not care.

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>you're either with me or against me idiology
It only belongs on pol.

I don't get this joke what is a phone poster?

T_T

this remake is the definition of soulless

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Oh, the fucking irony.

>gb2/pol/
nigger have you just abandoned all logic

>nigger
Yea, thanks for proving my point scumbag faggot.

>programming an AI to make animated movies was a good idea.
Well, this is a good idea.

not only did it retained the Soul but it gained MORE soul than ever before

and yes it counts

meant to post this

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The Forbidden Land looks way too alive and normal there. The whole point is that it was a dead, sealed, spartan place.

Lurk moar newfag

>faggot
that's a nono word I have notified your twitter followers

>unnecessary blur
look at what you're posting.

They screwed up the textures and lighting though, and added a bunch of fake fluff it didn't need.

That wasn't a sacrifice, that was Emon thwarting Dormin and sealing it away, along with the Wanderer who became another Dormin spirit.

Most concise explanation of why this remake doesn't cut it. It all looks like NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN shit.

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the remaster of dead island was pretty good
the soul of the original and the refined mechanics of dying light

SOUL

SOULLESS

There won't be one.

This fucking bloat of a remake is a bigger financial risk than Spirits Within. Just this first part alone has to have cost more to make, and it's not even out yet.

>This fucking bloat of a remake is a bigger financial risk than Spirits Within.
If you can't tell, it has a fairly low budget. Square Enix has been at risk for a while, this is their trump card so they don't go bankrupt.

Why would they change the fucking color palette?

he is 100% correct you fucking imbecile

>its supposed to be washed out
>its suposed to be bland
>it's supposed to chug at 20fps
The remake is better in every instance. By all means stick to your inferior version though.

cringe and retard pilled

>right
>oh shit this looks like a death trap. what?! I have to go down there?
>left
>generic modern rpg path right. can be made out right away. nothing dangerous at all about it.

Left looks like a piss filter is on.

soul filter you mean

t. illiterate

You're right it's their trump card but most fans of the original have no idea just how much will be missing from "part 1"

At this point you can bet that the remakes sequels won't be finished or will feel rushed and lacking in comparison to the attention Midgar's getting.

They're seriously going to fuck it up and I'm not the typical "i hate everything" person on Yea Forums, i'll play and probably enjoy the remake but looking at it there's no way it could be finished at this rate

remove m from filename

nah

i tend to "hate" everything but always for well thought out reason. FF7 will be garbage outside of combat(which is literally reskinned Type-0 read;Shit), pay close attention to the level design, the pace of movement, and Cloud's animations. Voice acting is also really cringe, at least for me.

This is coming from someone who really liked Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core.

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open image in new tab, then get rid of the m at the end of the url before the extension, you actual subhuman retard.

Eat shit, soul spammer.

And yet I constantly see people crying on this board when any new game chooses to obscure vision for artistic or technical reasons (something like the DOF and blur effects used in RE7)

Holy shit redditor pajeet cringe, youve been blown the fuck out so hard youre probably literally shaking behind your shitty monitor

The cloud/smoke/dust effects in the original blow my goddamn mind even now.

It's impossible to make a good comparison webm so check out Phalanx's dust effects. Absolutely god awful on PS4 but amazing on PS2.

It's an old timey film effect, actually.

>IT'S NOT BLURRY SO IT'S WORSE EVEN THOUGH THE ORIGINAL TEAM WOULD'VE MADE IT LOOK AS SHARP AS THE REMAKE AND HAD THE IMPROVED LIGHTING IF THEY COULD HAVE AT THE TIME! WHY DOESN'T IT LOOK LIKE IT DID WHEN I WAS YOUNGER??

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>DoF
kill yourself

The original team made TLG which looks like SOTC and not like the remake. How's that mental retardation going for you?

This autist user is pretty based not gonna lie
All he said is true

Looks just like someone touched up the left with a filter. If the right is the original, it was clearly not made to ever be displayed at full resolution.

it can be fucking stupid

and there they crawl out of the woodwork, tell me youre also frothing at the mouth over how le soulful it is when X old game didnt let you see 5 meters further because of a pile of resource saving effects

>unironically downloading a Yea Forums app
uuuuuuuuuuuh

>resource saving effects
you are fucking brain dead

Name me one ps2 or ps4 game with better lighting then a new game. And no artistically better, because thats subjective, I mean technically better.

you actually are if you think you cant get away with less detailed textures and less objects loaded in further away the more you obscure an image

Sometimes... now here me out... sometimes artistic limitations and imperfections can actually be beneficial. Sometimes you DISCOVER artistic techniques through the limitations and strengths of your medium. Shocking, I know.

Obscuring the image costs performance.

>Soul
Is this the worst buzzword of the millennium?

Just turn your brightness down bro

You're 5 hours late, and a fucking retard. He's specifically, explicitly, talking about how, artistically, it's used. Not how advanced the engine what does it is.

You don't have fucking eye-tracking. DoF is complete dogshit and should be illegal to ever use in any capacity during gameplay.