RPGCodex rated Witcher 3 as the 15th best RPG of all time over the likes of System Shock 2 and Baldurs Gate 1...

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Pretty sad that even shithole like codex gets it's influx of zoomies.

>RPGcodex
lmao irrelevant wRPG fags

Witcher 3 is 100x better than SS2 and BG2.

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If you consider Morrowind a RPG, then System Shock 2 is a RPG

>SS2
>RPG

????
it's a first person action adventure

jrpg's are one of the worst genre of video games. Turn based systems are fucking asshole, and even the good ones, like in TTYD, get boring after like 5 hours.

It's a great game, but it'll be another ten years or so until you can discuss it honestly here. Too many contrarian fifteen year olds.

>jRPG = turn based
lol, typical wRPGtard

>Witcher 3
>RPG

Its an action/adventure game with a skill tree

this

Morrowind, Vampire the Masqeurade Bloodlines, Fallout 3/New Vegas/4, and Mass Effect are not RPGs

I don't think it would make the top 50 for me. But normies gonna norm.

Was Skyrim number one?

It's below very normie games like age of decadence and pathfinder.

is there a mod or way to make the day/night cycle longer? I read that you can do it manually by editing a file but some guy said it fucks things a bit, since merchants reset their stock after a certain amount of days pass

when I'm playing for like 6 or more hours a day and I've seen 20 in-game days pass in front of me it feels stupid

>RPGCodex
>normies

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>a first person shooter involves shooting, from the first person perspective
>Halo involves sections of 3rd person gameplay
>therefore, Halo is not a first person shooter

You can tell that Yea Forums is primarily underaged, because even a retard's brain - once fully developed - would have trouble conjuring up some of the bullshit you neanderthals push here.

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Name 5 JRPG's that aren't turnbased.

Halo's lead gameplay designer has called halo a party game with shooting mechanics

Skyrim is unironically a much better RPG than Witcher 3 because it actually has role-playing to some extent

No idea why Witcher gets a pass but games like FO4 get endless shit for having voiced protagonists, let alone one the developers just made for you. That's called an adventure game, not an RPG.

I haven't played it but I don't really care about their top 100 list, except insofar as a guideline to know which RPGs are worth playing. The ranking itself is still a matter of opinion, I mean we're talking about a tiny community of barely a couple hundred people who voted on this list.

lmgtfy.com/?q=jrpgs without turn based combat

what matters is the core of the game. SS is a first person action adventure game like metroid prime. God of War isn't an RPG. People calling W3 a non-RPG are retards though

you are correct, Morrowind is an action adventure game, what did you find confusing?

I'd love to hear the low IQ brianlets of this glorified subreddit try to come up with a logically coherent definition of an RPG.

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Yeah that sounds about right.
Witcher 3 is EASILY better than System Shock 2 and Baulder's Gate 1. That's easy.

If you said something like BG2, or Icewind Dale, or Planescape Torment, then we'd have problems, but
>Is The single best WRPG of the current gen better than a janky late 90s 3D experiment, and the Baulder's Gate game everyone forgets?
Yes. Don't be retarded.

why isn't it rpg?

Yes, those games are very dated and Yea Forums irrationally hates TW3 because it stole Bloodborne's awards

It didn't "steal" anything. Bloodborne is legitimate garbage.

How did underrail and age of decadence scored?

underrailfags BTFO

16 and 11

>RPGcodex

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>while posting on Yea Forums

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AoD is #11, Underrail is 16.

How the fuck is System Shock 2 an RPG? It's just a FPS with RPG stats. Morrowind is a RPG because you actually create a character and roleplay.

This doesn't seem like a very cro-magnon post.
Also a butt to attract the sapes.

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you choose your class and stats in System Shock 2

>Pot calling the kettle black

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RPG in video games just means focus on character stats. Video games can't approach tabletop in actual roleplaying choices, and like most genre names, i.e. fighting, strategy, action/adventure, the name in a literal sense can be applied almost universally, but as a genre refers to a focus on specific mechanics or structures. Thus, TW3 is an RPG.

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Nioh, Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma, Xenoblade Chronciles, Kingdom Hearts

Coincidentally they are all better games than Witcher 3.

kingdom shartz is not better than W3. The others are though

>RPG in video games just means focus on character stats
Right, so W3 is still not an RPG because there's next to no character-building.

There is not one japanese rpg out there

Hey hey hey, Kingdom Hearts is gay!

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kingdom hearts is the only good one of those though

It's an ARPG at best. the RPG systems are shallow as fuck and the "action" part of the game i shit.Also DOS2 proves
> Video games can't approach tabletop in actual roleplaying choices
wrong. Fantastic game that actually lets you make choices.

>Fantastic game that actually lets you make choices.
>D:OS2
>Choices
>let alone approaching tabletop in any way
You have to be kidding me.

>No idea why Witcher gets a pass but games like FO4 get endless shit for having voiced protagonists, let alone one the developers just made for you. That's called an adventure game, not an RPG.
Because Geralt is an established character from the books and he has been voiced from the first Witcher game. Fallout has always had a mute protagonist that has a vague background, Fallout 4 changed this hence the controversy.

Agreed about BG1. A lot of people forget that BG1 was complete shit and think it's as good as BG2.

I agree, I'm just pointing out Yea Forums's insatiable FromSoft boner

Oh yes. I remember being moved to the point of disbelief by the meaningful choices that Mass Effect 3 offered me.

The only people who hate the Witcher 3 are trannies and furfags who are buttmad they can't play the game as a female character modded out in skimpy clothes and roleplay being a tranny/furfag. There are no exceptions and anyone who denies this is simply lying.

Top 5 RPGs:
>Fallout 2
>Morrowind
>Dark Souls
>Jagged Alliance 2
>Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines

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Is RPG codex full of zoomers now

dropped after an hour it's a fucking hack and slash action game, not an rpg

hmm

W3 is already archaic in many ways before the gen is even over

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True post.

What's a role playing game, Yea Forums?

I blame weebs. They all CAME IN after the Rance series LPs.

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You don't play as the tranny, you dumb tranny.

Well at least they ranked it above the dullest rpg of all time. Each attempt Obsidian makes to create their own universe rather than simply deconstruct a setting made by others, has been more disastrous than the last. Aside from the outdated gameplay and lifeless cities, Pillars of Eternity's only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of combat mechanics, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Sawyer vetoed the idea of making anything at all innovative or original; he made sure the game would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable nostalgia pandering to ageing Baldur's Gate fans. Pillars of Eternity might be anti-casual(or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Divinity series in its refusal of spontaneity, fun and excitement.

>a-at least the writing was good though

"No!"

The writing is dreadful; the narrative was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time I engaged in dialogue with an NPC the game presented me with a Wiki-page style infodump instead of anything resembling actual human conversation.

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time this was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Sawyer's mind is so governed by obsession with pointless minutiae of the lore that he has no other style of writing.

Later I read a lavish, loving review of Pillars of Eternity by the same David Gaider. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kiddies are playing Obsidian games at 17 or 18, then when they get older they will go on to enjoy Dragon Age II." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Pillars of Eternity" you are, in fact, trained to shill for Bioware.

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They don't have any idea. Any RPG that is popular, or that they don't like, "uh-uh, that isn't an RPG", it's Africa-tier.

>they
you're here too, m8

a game with in depth stats and character creation, that significantly effect your experience

a hack and slash game that increases your damage as the game goes on is not an rpg

ooooof

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yeah, but I am here unironically

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>NO DISGEA IS THE BEST RPG EVER!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Yeah, but I'm not ranting that every RPG isn't an RPG, so I'm not part of your group, faggy African.

nobody has played that game

still being a lil bitch tho

>NO!!!! FINAL FANTASY IS THE BEST RPG!!!!

This, but without the cope and seethe. Unironically, if I may.

It's funny how since it's release no wrpg has topped it yet, and they are on course to top it themselves with CP77.
Now that is based.

Disgea and final fantasy are trash played by effeminate weebs, trannies, and furfags.

CP77 isn't an rpg

Are you sure you want something like that to stand above all wRPGs? Well, it is all about your personal beliefs when it comes to matters of taste.

But the effect on the game is the same, extremely limited dialogue choices due to the voice acting. Its a double standard and just drives home the fact that W3 is beyond overrated and does the same shit people will flog other RPGs for doing, to the point where they will say they're not even really RPGs anymore.

Geralt's character was reset in 1

>phoneposting faggot who can't even save an image correctly calling others low IQ brainlets

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The witcher games are about playing as the witcher named Geralt of Rivia. That includes every attribute of his character. It makes perfect sense to voice him.

>save someone else's image
>"Hurr you a phone poster nigga hurr!"

Faggy o'nig

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it has stats

so does god of war, CDPR themselves have removed the RPG moniker from CP77

>genre labels mean a lot to me!

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What if someone responded "Yes" to the question in your image. What possible course of discourse would you have left then? None I tell you, none. For all your wit and brevity, you are lacking a presentable alternative to the current currents of autism engulfing us in the tides of autism.

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So instead you just save awful quality images uploaded by underage phoneposters. And then call others stupid when you couldn't even spell brain correctly. How embarrassing.

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negro

Well, it is the best Elder Scrolls game after Morrowind.

>enjoy 14 hours of cutscenes inbetween teleporting to and from some of the most bland gameplay ever imagined

I honestly wish I could go back to being a normie.

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Right, its not an RPG because my role is being chosen for me. That's the entire fucking point.

>Make 900000000 posts crying about Pillars of Eternity
>Derail every single RPG thread to talk about it
>It's supposedly the worst game ever
>45th best RPG of all time along with its sequel
I told you faggots that game was good. Why do you gotta be so tsun tsun?

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>this game is good because of the story and graphics
If the only good parts of the game are the non-interactive parts then wouldn't it just be better as a movie than a game?

Inversive sims are a subgenre of RPG

It's a character driven RPG. Yes, your role is being chosen, but you are still roleplaying... As the Witcher, Geralt of Rivia. Are you autistic or simply stupid?

It's certainly better than The Witcher 3

>Are you autistic or simply stupid?
no need to ask here

Speaking of Neanderthals...

Underrail is more or less an immersive walking crafting simulator so this holds true. You also get to choose between shooting the enemies and frying them with magic powers and cheesing them with meta knowledge so it definitely classifies as a role playing game.

even the tranny pass

try playing actual ttrpg bro, you might enjoy it

RPGCodex is just as shit as Yea Forums is. Both are filled with contrarian faggots who didn't even play their top 10 RPGs and only played the more modern ones like Witcher 3, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect or Divinity: Original Sin 1/2 for example, then proceed to complain (LARP) how the old ones are trash, outdated and just filled with words even though they didn't personally play those games.
Then, proceed to make up memes just to trash whichever game they don't like (c.umbrain, incline, decline, basedkaf, etc). The only difference between Yea Forums and RPGCodex is that Yea Forums has more shitposting only due to having no logins, while RPGCodex has some reputation system going on there, although not as shit as Reddit which is just filled with kiss-ass circlejerking fags.

it's not a universal poll retard

Disregard that, I was having a considerable mental episode while writing that. I also sucks cock.

th best RPG of all time along with its sequel
It's not like they have a lot of RPGs to vote for, specially since they're not even including JRPGs, so they're really just voting on whatever limited RPGs they're allowed to vote.

It's still on the upper half of the list, my man. Quit coping.

>Yes, your role is being chosen, but you are still roleplaying... As the Witcher, Geralt of Rivia
Right, so I'm not role-playing. Thanks for literally spelling it out.

>Yes, your role is being chosen, but you are still roleplaying... As the plumber, Mario of Brooklyn
Any game can be an RPG given this logic.

That's called an adventure game you fucking retard, we've had them for decades and no one called them RPGs until shit like Witcher 3 made everyone think an RPG is any game that has some fucking dialogue choices

>adventure game
I think you mean exploration sim

Don't forget the blues clues detective events!

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but where did Skyrim place?

but it has more in depth stats than God of war and it effects your gameplay on a greater level

No, it's an rpg. Nobody agrees with your arbitrary autistic definition. It's an rpg and has won more best rpg awards than your weebshit. Have sex and dilate.

It has rpg elementals. Stats, crafting, upgrades, leveling, roleplaying, talent builds, multiple quest approaches/endings. It's an rpg. More so than your weebshit. Get over it.

>ur wrong becuz i say so

Again, making dialogue choices does not make the game an RPG, because that's what adventure games have been doing for 40+ years. Zelda isn't an RPG, Witcher isn't an RPG, Whatever-Shock isn't an RPG.

CoD is an RPG now?

No, it's an fps.
Final Fantasy and Disgea aren't rpgs.

How the fuck is there no character building? There's a massive amount of ways to build Geralt

Why do people get so fucking assblasted at the prospect of a voice protag?

>PS:T #1 even though it's literally a western version of a JRPG (even Avellone was inspired by FF7)
>BG2 #3 even though none of your choices matter (literally same end point you go thieves/vampires, kill drow/play their game)
>AoD #11, only there because the devs shill their buggy CYOA game all the time on the fourms
>Dark Souls #12

Ok that's as far as I could make it in other to prevent my opinion of RPG Codex from lowering any further.

By design is limits the amount of roleplaying you can do with a character. There is generally less dialogue options because of greater expenses and giving the dialogue options a canon voice and tone limits the player's roleplaying in how the lines would be said in their head.

Trannies and furfags that like to larp for perverted sexual reasons

You missed this little highlight:
>only JRPG on the list, of all possible choices, is TitS FC

also damages modding potential for the game. Modders can get voice actors for original characters in their quests, but they obviously can't get the MC's voice actor. Sound-alikes will always sound off, and no voice acting makes it stand out from the rest of the game in a bad way.

>By design is limits the amount of roleplaying you can do with a character
No it doesn't

>There is generally less dialogue options because of greater expenses
The answer to this is to make less dialouge options but have them be fucking meaningful. I don't need 20 ways to say the same thing which is what I've found many RPGs basically do. It's less choice and more of an illusion of choice since you're still a slave to the overall narrative

>d giving the dialogue options a canon voice and tone limits the player's roleplaying in how the lines would be said in their head.
Nigga use the mute funtion then. Not everyone is autistic enough to get mad that their imaginary voice is invalidated

>also damages modding potential for the game
So a company should make a worse game so 3rd parties can make their fanfictions? And people wonder why modern devs are shit. Relying on the modding community to cover the shit stains left by devs is stupid

So do you think that there should be ZERO voice acting in RPGs? NPCs and Narrirators included? It should be 100% text?

I agree if it has character building like Deus Ex or System Shock 2, but games like System Shock 1 and Thief do not have any mechanics like that.
Really immersive sims are a poorly defined psuedo-genre which is why there are so few of them because they're hard a hell to make and even harder to market effectively

>only JRPG on the list, of all possible choices, is TitS FC
this is accurate though

>Final Fantasy and Disgea aren't rpgs.
But they are, they allow you to choose the roles for the characters in the game

They aren't rpgs. You have to play as certain premade characters and following a premade story. Not rpg. Also voice acting.

>and following a premade story
So every videogame RPG then?

This whole thread is basically the "No true Scotsmen" people gatekeeping the term RPGs aren't giving any evidence to their definition that doesn't come from their ass

Exactly. According to Yea Forumsautists like you, there are no rpgs.

But there are RPGs, its just that the overt focus CRPGfags put on badly replicating P&P experiences dilutes the definition.

Name an rpg

Play DnD, its mostly mechanics and rolls/checks. not dialogue, and dialogue is also affected by rolls/checks anyway

The Witcher 3 has
>No stats to level up, progress, or advance through gameplay
>No way to functionally make your version of Geralt different than any one else's version of Geralt
>No choices or consequences in the game at all
>No reward system that allows you to make value judgements or comparisons between items you equip and use
>No opportunity to use dialogue as anything other than a simple conversation progression, nor any stats or abilities that affect dialogue except sometimes there's an option to use a Witcher power which does nothing.

There is no world in which this is an RPG.

The guy you're replying to is being ironic

Is this bait? It has every single thing you've green texted. Maybe get out of the tutorial before posting.

I'm choosing the roles the characters in the game play. I'm role-playing. I'm building the characters, I'm managing their growth and resources.

People like you just seem to think the only thing that matters in an RPG is dialogue when most very old RPGs didn't have much to begin with and were all about mechanics.

>It has every single thing you've green texted
What are the stats that govern Geralt's capabilities? Please list them.

you've legit know nothing about the Witcher. I literally has everything you fucking listed you retard. Holy shit put effort into your contrarian views

See

Alchemy, Magic, and Sword. Magic items also boots stuff like speed, strength, ect

Nope. Not rpg.

>Alchemy, Magic, and Sword.

This is legit the funniest sentence I've read today.

Yes, RPG by definition of the term

Nope.

Probably
Also says a lot about the industry though
Games are clearly on the decline the past 15 years with the occasional gems scattered throughout

A game where you play a role

Yep.

Xenoblade and Kingdom Hearts are both trash
The rest are correct.

Games aren't rpgs

>Nioh, Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma, Xenoblade Chronciles, Kingdom Hearts
Not one of those games is an rpg.

>codexfags
>relevant

Deus Ex

Well they are only the most relevant authority when it comes to computer role playing games.

I hope you rpgfags know that you're the biggest joke in videogames. You sit here and argue over meaningless statistics and "choices" to hide the fact that your games are so easy a literal chimp could play them without difficulty.
you're all faggots who are bad a videogames, lmao at your life

>authority
Look at this c u c k.

>choices
>witcher 3 has predetermined protagonist
Yeah right. Codexfags only love action games with tacked on visual novel dialogue. They'd better off playing fujo hentai games.

Based "No!" poster.

Yes, Longer Days Mod in nexus.

They're right

why does the rpg genre bring out the biggest fucking nerds and faggots in the world, this entire thread is gay

Reminder that if you think you think an RPG has to come from an existing pen and paper franchise or needs dice rolls you're an obsolete faggot

and why the fuck is V so obsessed with rpgcodex its like people just read that shit and repeat the same opinions and shit about games.
FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS

Because you can't play most CRPGs and think it's engaging and not boring without being totally invested in the autistic world it created. It requires autism to achieve that. Based Todd created Elder Scrolls and 3D Fallout though which had a much more universal appeal than the traditional RPG without cutting none of the complexity and customization by making games that focus on the player character itself rather than the world. Codexfags are still salty people are still playing and modding Skyrim, Fallout 4, and OpenMW to this day.

It is almost like this thread is nothing but angry little red faggots trying to live action role play 4channelers very badly. Almost.

>Dark Souls 2&3 are on the list but not Bloodborne

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nop should be 1st

Bloodborne might've been a bit too fast paced for people who need to check the effectivity of their next move from a calculator/wiki/manual.

name 1 good jap rpg
final fantasy is trash fucking japan everything they do is trash except mgr

Elona+

That's an FPS

Monster Girl Quest Paradox

Well, to be fair, Bloodborne is the worst modern Fromsoft game .

rpgcodex has

>it's an rpg because you play the role of geralt episode

CDPR themselves have outright stated, when asked if it was an RPG, that it is in fact an RPG

I'm not sure how much more direct you can get it, mr shitposting retard

RPGCodex poll is garbage, ruined by fanboys that just vote their favorite game and don't really consider the RPG part.
Planescape is a good game but #1 RPG of all time? Fuck off.

deal with it retard

What is the matter. Too much roleplaying possibilities and not enough fighty fighty shooty shooty like Neverwinter 2 for example?

The only good non western rpg is S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

RPG mechanics in it are garbage, even the biggest Avellone dick-licker will say Mage is the only way to play for muh dialogue choices and that combat is standard IE engine trite.

But you have to play stalker only one way. You can't play as a squirrel or a shrub, so it's not roleplaying.

yeah, fuck \V/

Imagine being so insecure that you look up the optimal build for a reading game.

I didn't, this is just a commonly repeated warning.
Why do you argue with me? Even the dude who reviewed it for them agrees with me, the RPG elements are the least attractive part.

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>2 guys from rpgcodex have
Fixed that for you.

Okay so you didn't even play the game, yet you still looked up optimal builds. And base your whole opinion on an appeal to authority for the literally who who runs RPG Codex. Fucking lol. You know you can have a fighter with high int right? Pathetic.

W3 isn't even an RPG

>character creation has anything to do with a game being an RPG
Of course a Skyrim zoomer would believe that

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>too much roleplaying possibilities
>planescape torment
huh? you can't influence your party members at all stat wise and they are limited as fuck in terms of equipment selection. Choices rarely, if ever, matter for the narrative

I have only repeated what others have said, yet you somehow have figured out exactly how I played?
Eat a dick, you still haven't made an argument for why it's #1 best RPG and are just trying desperately for a gotcha!

I disagree but Baldur's Gate and System shock are both quite terrible games that shouldn't be that high up anyway. Typical amerijank.

Prove me wrong.

Yeah I figured out you don't play video games, because you have nothing to say about them except repeating other people's opinions you read.
I don't care whether it's the #1 game or not. Maybe that was an argument you were having with someone else.

"No!"

There are very few games with actual roleplaying and choices... most crpgs and jrpgs have little side quest or Main quest that effect the world around you, how you play or missable content.

Why would I give a fuck what some random fucking nigger website thinks, OP?

Howabout I play what I want and have fun, k?

RPGCodex is run by trannies and they deserve worse than bankruptcy

So what's the top 14?

crpgaddict >>> hardcoregaming101 >>>>>>>>>>>>> codex

Eh. Witcher III is just casualbait for normalfags who suck at video games and want an easy "cinematic experience." Nothing really new, but it does it impressively.

I would at least put it above skyrim.

Aside from the character interactions, Skyrim had more RPG elements.

Jagged Alliance 2.

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I meant the rest of the top, but that image answers that.

SS2 doesn't have classes, the marine, navy, and OSA branches only help you allocate stats. Also there are no branching choices or dialogue trees in the game.
SS2 is not an RPG, and it's my favorite game of all time.

I played it on my 386 when it came out.

Listen, newfag, just because a game doesn't have branching choices or dialogue doesn't mean it's not an RPG. Do you think the older RPGs, you know, the beginning of the genre, had those things? No, of course not. RPGs are games where you create a character or, originally, a party of characters and utilize your choices in how to build said characters to beat the game. Stop basing your definition of RPGs on Bioware games you colossal faggot. Play the Wizardry series or the Goldbox games, you know, the games that defined the genre, before you start thinking you know what an RPG is.

>Grimoire on the list

Based

Are you trying to suggest that whoever wrote the list was an authority on RPGs?

It should be lower to be quite honest. Anyway, based codex for not putting it in the top 10.

What the fuck even is reading comprehension. Are you both genuinely retarded?