This season of ASL is almost over, but before the final we have the 3rd/4th place match. No big stakes, nobody really wins, just some plain old brood war. >ACTION (Z) VS. RAIN (P) youtube.com/watch?v=LNUJUivnPzY afreecatv.com/afstar1
Remember, the final is next sunday, 5pm KST (2 HOURS EARLIER THAN NORMAL, REMEMBER) so don't miss it. FLASH (T) VS. SNOW (P) probably the best PvTer vs the best TvPer in the world. It's gonna be a gud series.
I like every matchup that doesn't include protoss PvZ is aids in the current meta
David Taylor
>PROTOSS UPGRADE STORM >ZERG DIE CANNOT WAIT
Levi Edwards
what 600iq strat will action lose with today
Jace Roberts
Tonight I'm expecting more garbage control from Action and bare shoulders from s t a r g i r l.
Hunter Ward
Well zerg now has an unbeatable strat 973 that currently doesn't have any counters. Everyone who said this was gonna be the Protoss golden age BTFO. Zerg will dominate once more!
Artenzie is the best pair Tasteless is past it tbqh
Alexander Myers
action will pay off ASL staff to play on holy world. he will then infest the neutral command center and accidentally detonate all his infested terrans in his own mineral line, killing all his drones
I was laughing but then suddenly he said "What if I told you there's a button you can press so you get extra units to mine with" and that sounded oddly familiar suddenly I couldn't tell whether he was just joking all those times before.
Christian Sullivan
Shoulders reserved for winners.
Henry Stewart
NoRegret saying that the match was one of the greatest stories of all time, then turning to Cadenzie and saying "Like Romeo and Juliet"
Liquid beats OG, Rain beats Action 3-1. Action's 1 win will take him 15 minutes to close out after he should've won.
John Evans
Rain 3-0s Action. Action had to have a surgery that impaired his preparation. Rain is also generally strong and can force a lot of pressure on Zerg opponents. Even though normally ZvP is bad for Protoss I predict some really quick overwhelming of the Zerg, especially since Action falls apart in macro games.
Lucas Gray
It became top much stuff to easily fit in one photo after the first season. But maybe I'll try to make a complete photo some day.
>and all that imples Does that mean she hates protoss or that she hates terran since she plays zerg?
Jordan Mitchell
Cadenzie doesn't rage on stream, she just has a mental breakdown and cries when she disappoints her teachers and loses her tournament games.
Jose Anderson
Yeah, and he's the future of zerg for the next couple years.
John Green
Holy fucking fuck, absolutely based as fuckity fuck. Literal proof that Korea Time anons have the best tastes. A bit sad that there's very little Saki material, she's such a megane cutie.
Just one final off-topic question, sorry. After this no more. Do you read the LNs in Jap? You can understand moon? Or are you collecting purely for the completeness?
His wrists have been destroyed for about a year now.
Aiden Carter
Exploding wrist syndrome.
Ian Ortiz
I think tasteless is mixing up that shields take full damage from all damage types, with the plasma shield upgrade not doing anything(which it does)
Tyler Ortiz
Just came in last moment for some koreatime. TOtally forgot about it, cant wait to see zerg dab on pr*toss scum
Angel Gray
Terminal Boneitus
Tyler Johnson
ill miss these threads after the finals,where else do you guys go for brood war besides tl?
Jaxson Torres
im sure she loves the mutas.
Do you think she fucked jaedong because of his muta micro getting her excited. Id totally let jaedong fuck me after watching him micro mutas for 20 minutes
Christopher Butler
NW power kurwo
Isaiah Cruz
I watched Bisu's stream a couple nights ago and it was kinda cool, but obviously no English.
Dylan Davis
The breakdown among female 'competitive' players is about 40%/40%/20% for protoss/zerg/terran
Nathan James
which is more kino tvz or pvt
Oliver Torres
So archons tage massive damage from vultures and hydras. But shield upgrades do subtract 1 from each attack for each level, right?
Grayson Foster
TvZ PvX is never kino
Isaiah Jenkins
tvz of course
James James
Did I just see Stargirl's shoulders in the background?
Matthew Hernandez
TvP is OK, but TvZ is pure, unadulterated Starcraft
Charles Kelly
Both.
Mason Nelson
Fight until you die by the blade of the one you hate
Yeah. Shields take full damage from shit like concussive damage (so vultures deal 100% damage to Dragoon or Archon shields but 25% to archon health). The upgrade makes works in the same way as armor - just a -1 to damage taken on every hit. This "-x" damage reduction only becomes really strong if you can get it to a decently high value. That's why Ultras with +3 armor and Chitinous upgrade are so strong against marines.
Aiden Jenkins
They do. Also, if a unit is at 0 shields and then regains a single shield point, all damage is subtracted from the armor value of the shield and then, once it goes to actual hit points, it's also absorbed by hit point armor. So a 3/3 armor Zealot who lost his shields will, after one shield hit point regenerates, take a total of -7 damage from the next attack (3+4).
This usually doesn't really matter, though. And Protoss do not upgrade neither armor or shields most of the time because, especially against Terran, it doesn't really matter.
Samuel Bell
>dude race is the same color as the minerals lmao why is this allowed?
Almost every protoss unit has more hp than shields, and the shield upgrade costs much more, first is 100+100(armor) vs 200+200(shields), so armor is heavily favored.
I think it was Snow vs Action when Snow got an insane amount of archons and he got at least +1 plasma shields because of it.
Don't worry, the new series of WC3 patches gutted Blademaster (now Orcs open Shadow Hunter or Farseer) and Keeper of the Grove is so good everyone switched to Night Elf.
Some players have better english than others, I remember light used to stream on twitch before remastered came out
Nolan Scott
as a human player blademaster is the faggot that always kills my am unless i have invul fuck that guy
Aiden Robinson
>learns wind walk at level 1 >harrasses your workers >forces you to retreat from any creep camp leveling attempts >can't even be killed since stealth detection is at least with tier 2 tech Worst cancerous hero.
I wish this dude would translate tactics videos with subtitles instead of doing his worthless real time audio translation.
Jose Cox
me too buddy. everything they have is scummy
Charles Lewis
>So a 3/3 armor Zealot who lost his shields will, after one shield hit point regenerates, take a total of -7 damage from the next attack (3+4). Every now I wondered about how that interaction worked, but I never looked it up or tested it. Interesting.
Connor Nelson
But I believe he does have guides posted on his channel.
Isaiah Wood
Daggoth's and Zasz's broods are the only real ones and you know it
Ryder Murphy
Carriers confirmed this game.
Adam Cruz
agreed
Christopher Hill
i always loved this shit in old blizzard games. Same with WC2, they had colors for every faction with their own quirks.
James Morgan
You do realize that the Jormungand brood (Purple) that you command in both SC1 and the BW campaign is neither of them?
Hunter Morgan
Probably completely irrelevant to competitive play, but I was pretty pissed that they added a duration to the Huntress Sentinels.
I loved building up a vision infrastructure of sorts with huntresses, especially in ffa
Leo Cruz
>it's another zealots raped by lurkers episode again
Joseph Ward
he does though, he today translated flash talking about changes in meta and how builds get countered
>you will never get to play starcraft 3 which takes place in the ancient past of Aiur and sail around on protoss boats
Hunter Anderson
Man Rain is absolutely garbage at anything other than pvp. How did this guy manage to get even this far?
Lincoln Long
Yes, but he does them by talking over them, and for some reason there's a couple of other guys chatting to him at the same time. They're poor quality and not worth watching.
Andrew Brooks
Vulture damage is cut to 5 and then reduced by Ultralisk armor to only deal 0,5 damage, and then the Ultralisk's regen kicks in. The Vulture can't do anything even if the Ultralisk is trapped and the Vulture can just autoattack.
Alexander Thompson
yeah kinda I don't even remember the fenris brood cerebrate coming up in the campaigns, while daggoth was fun.
Also >daggots Tiamat brood >Estimated Size: 6,500,000/ all strains compared to the fenris broodlet
Asher Myers
hes not training anymore because his girlfriend. He just playing in tournaments no more outside as far as I know
Dylan Wood
God I fucking love lategame Zerg with Defilers.
Grayson Lopez
>that defiler
Jaxson Phillips
gg
Aaron Cook
*dust of appearances u* heh, nothin personel
Levi Ward
this one is for all the niggas talking shit about rain
Henry Johnson
Hit 'em with the SC2 A-Move strategy.
Evan Brown
They can't see the ones further in among the trees
Even the ones on the edges they wouldn't cut down in the middle of the maps
Aiden Lopez
i dont know the regen but it would be 1 damage per shot (25% of 20 is 5, which gets reduced by armor) meaning its 400 shots+whatever the ultra can regen. a vulture shoots 1.26 second per shot. So 504 seconds with no regen. Regen is 0.37 per second but im too lazy to do the math
Zachary Baker
Yeah I know, Zasz is orange though right? Fuck I've still got the starcraft manual around somewhere, I should dig it up
Xavier Cooper
Can you really just sit on 4 bases and defend like that as zerg? What went wrong for action there?
Jackson Jones
get up and stretch your legs a bit during this break!
Wow, that was one hell of a slow and methodical attack on the natural with seemingly infinite storms.
Kevin Wilson
Fucking wait on I thought Daggoth's brood was Jormungand >Tiamat brood
Ayden Baker
I was watching "The Show" from 2017. A one off podcast of 2 hours with idra, incontrol, nony and artosis.
At one point they talked about their worst moments in broodwar. 2/4 moments were tied to the plott brothers, day9 and tasteless.
For Nony it was a qualifier, apparently he won more games in total vs tasteless throughout the qualifier, and he faced Tasteless throughout in several sets, and the loser got to pick the map, and Tasteless kept picking island maps that he won on, and he won at the right times so he ended up qualifiying instead of Nony.
Hudson Jackson
Why isn't there any option to pick the different variances?
it's more kino when random chance grants us a canon match
Jeremiah Hill
the fabled tasteless build
Connor Watson
Thanks, will do
Jayden Adams
CUTE STARCRAFT CHILD
Bentley Moore
I miss all the decent korean ads. * * S P A R K L I N G * *
Joshua Allen
>ftp Am I back in the 90's?
Oliver Richardson
he finally committed sudoku 2 years ago
Nicholas Russell
TITTY SAMBO
Brody Wilson
Interesting to hear his take on it. I think he's right on some level but Protoss will have a really hard time because there's not much you can do against a strat that's just endless units.
imagine his disgust if any of his children main protoss
Christian Sanchez
>artosis oldest child asked him "Can you teach me Starcraft when I'm older?" >Artosis said "I can teach you now" >"Let's wait until I'm older."
Mason White
He probably won't let his daughter date any protoss players. >You do not associate with that race, do you hear me young lady?
Matthew Anderson
It was never as good as you remember, but it had it's high points. Like waiting 8 hours to download Natural Selection 1.0 and it turns out it turning out to be the shit.
Benjamin Ward
imagine him backseating his kids and yelling at them to get above 100apm
Gavin Hughes
his literal best friend in the whole world is a Protoss main
Brody Clark
>Tasteless: It's not that big of a >Artosis: What do you know nick?! You've never loved.
Andrew Roberts
>blue vs teal
Elijah Cooper
My internet maxes at 300kb/s, I still know this feel
Daniel Sullivan
>only allowed to play zerg and terran in his house >one weekend uncle Tasteless is watching them while Artosis and the wife is out of town >he lets them play Protoss and smoke cigarettes >artosis comes back furious because they're playing protoss
Aaron James
yeah he barely plays the game
Ryder Turner
>PvZ is so boring and repetitive that everyone is talking about Artosis's kids Protoss was a mistake
what's an "elevator build"? i'm not familiar with starcraft
Wyatt Hughes
Using a single dropship to make several trips and carry a large army over a ledge.
Michael Campbell
you ferry units on to the high ground
Cooper Taylor
>Artosis catches Tasteless playing pvp with his wife
Matthew Brown
Using shuttles to move units up to highground. Like 1 shuttle making several trips between the lowground and highground to move a big army in a dark spot of that high ground before they attack. Slower than normal drops, but more substantial.
Samuel Sullivan
Their prenup says she doesn't get the kids if that happens.
Isaac Gonzalez
PvZ is so fucking boring
Joshua Hall
Just want to add that it's not really a build. It's a tactic. It can work, but it is a risky tactic
Liam Campbell
I honestly hope Tasteless gets along well with the family. Beer uncle type setup. >Action bouncing in his chair
Carson Martinez
I miss when sunkens were actually good, they can't even kill vultures now
he crashes the couch once in a while, smelling of stale beer adn urine. Artosis constantly has to beg his wife to look the other way while he tries to clean up tasteless.
Ethan Ramirez
but that's forbidden...
Xavier Powell
>just let the zerg mine out, don't attack >automatically lose when plague is ready
Jacob Carter
the stargate has many units that one might think of as "unnatural"
Christian Thompson
>mommy mommy storm is so overpowered nerf pls >*plagues 100 times*
Hmmm... for someone whos named action, they don't do much.
Hunter Edwards
Storm is better because you can kill tons of workers for no cost at all. SC and scourge is so expensive and you have to defend a million different locations as zerg
Bentley Jenkins
I maek hybra
Lincoln Jones
I don't know why zergs still play these passive turtle games against toss. If you take 4 bases and turtle the toss will just take over rest of the map like Rain did. If you bank on plague late game they just mass archons and storm with their infinite economy and gg.
Xavier Ramirez
God, zerbros. How can we recover.
Im glad im going home tomorrow
Juan King
because 200/200 zerg beats 200/200 toss in most circumstances also it's much easier for a zerg to shut down expansions (due to dark swarm and adrenalings) than it is for the protoss to do the same
Robert Russell
>deals retarded damage with one click >closes off chokepoints with one click >kill off all workers with one click >can get them in 8 minutes
>deals retarded damage (over an hour) with one click >does nothing to chokepoints with one click >does nothing to workers with infinite clicks >takes at least 5 hours to get just one out Man plague is such bullshit, needs to be nerfed.
Kayden Jones
daily reminder that plague never killed a single unit
Nolan Thomas
a plague on you, and your kind
Hunter Allen
same goes for EMP
Daniel Nelson
emp kills hallucinated units
Dominic Brooks
>casually goes from being the best spellcaster in the game to being plague immune, zergling splashing, dark swarm ignoring monstrosities
Lucas Williams
Incontrol had a story during that show about how he almost lost to Tasteless. They had this ventrilo chat or something, 2 guys played 1v1 and then the rest watched, and they circled around. Tasteless wasn't a regular part of that group, but he'd sometimes show up after not having talked with anyone for weeks and wanted to play, but people were often hesitant to play him beause he was incredibly cheesy, one time incontrol decided to take the bullet. It ended up being a long game, and incontrol had sweat on his forehead, thinking that he was gonna lose to Tasteless, but he eventually ended up winning... because Tasteless spend 4500 minerals making 45 pylons in the middle of the map that spelled "GG Nerd"
Gavin Fisher
This guy gets it. Storm is THE thing that makes Protoss viable. For zerg they need to cast plague which also costs more 150, storm only costs 75 so you can cast tons of storms. Defilers also needs to sacrifice lings to be able to cast it
Cry me a river, dont make masses of cheap, high dps units and Ill never research storm, deal?
Jaxon Hill
>learn how to micro units out of storm >only take 10 damage >get touched by plauge >take 250 damage
Aaron Morales
im gonna say it tripod sucks to watch and to play
Gabriel Rogers
Hallucinated units were never truly alive to begin with.
Julian Torres
Huh? Some of the best games this season have been on tripod.
Owen Parker
>dude just have 10000 APM and watch every single base and every single unit on the map and then storm will be useless, but even STILL the templars will become archons Epic bro
I remeber that story, god I love those events. So many good stories were told.
Nicholas Peterson
>learn how to micro units out of storm Impossible. You need to micro tons of units + macro and units like lurkers are completely still. Lings also has like zero HP so they've already basically dead if they got stormed
Wyatt Hernandez
>dude just have 10000 APM and micro around the hordes of lings and hydras Epic bro
Hearing Flash roar with laughter to Mongs shenanigans was fun
Levi Taylor
I honestly love action, but this season he seems to be play weird.
Jacob Gomez
Scout mentioned!
Jaxson Carter
Why don't zerg ever go guardians late game? Late game devourers destroy corsairs and guardians melt everything on the ground.
Leo Mitchell
I love seeing people cry about something being overpowered in a game that has literally years of videos and statistics of professionals playing at the highest level that show how balanced the races are, but somehow storm or plague are broken overpowered bullshit even though none of the races dominate tourneys with their supposedly "overpowered" tech. Shut the fuck up, you whining little shits. If it was overpowered then that race would be winning 80% of all games.
Henry Thompson
SCOWTS METNIONED
Leo Garcia
scouts
Michael Taylor
storm
Adam Gomez
SCOUTS CONFIRMED
Joseph Gutierrez
Starcraft 2 is better in every way.
Nolan Parker
>Late game devourers destroy corsairs In theory, but they've been shredded several times by corsairs throughout the tournaments
Ryder Rodriguez
Guardians deal as much damage as a dragoon, take forever to build, cost a retarded amount and require retarded amounts of tech. And then storm evaporates them all with one click.
Juan Campbell
They're too slow to move out of storm.
Samuel Ramirez
because guardians suck
Luis Morales
SNEAKY CAPE BOI
Parker Watson
gg fuck dts
Connor Green
Because guardians almost cost as much as carriers but they're fucking shit >devourers LMAO. Guardians and devourers are shit man. Fucking awful units. Guardians are only good against marines
Evan Rivera
Sichelschnitt'd
Samuel Cook
drone holocaust 2: the capening
Jackson Allen
>terran won't even dare to get battlecruisers >zerg won't even dare to get guardians Is Scout, dare I say it, the perfect unit? You get value out of not even making it.
Josiah Harris
god damn action is so bad
William Jackson
>Guardians are only good against marines >takes FOUR guardian shots to kill ONE marine Guardians are good at nothing
Money, everything connected to greater spires are extremely expensive. Thats not even mentioning how squishy guardians are. If something sneezes strongly in their diretion and your not watching they die.
Ethan Reyes
Its almost always people complaining about protoss while ignoring op aspects of their own race.
Isaac Cook
No, it only takes two if the upgrades are equal.
Adrian Wright
gg
Blake Morgan
Lmao Action is shit lately
Xavier Powell
only a bo3?
Angel Roberts
gg
Leo White
Except if a medic is healing the marine, which they are.
Jason Green
Oh you are right, for some reason I thought guardians did explosive damage.
Ethan Jackson
it was 3-1, how is that bo3
Austin Cook
S t a r g i r l
Wyatt Myers
3-1 was the final score
Ian Murphy
>boring games >covered shoulders what a horrible night
Luke Wood
nvm these last 3 games blended together with action doing nothing
Eli Gomez
I want it confirmed if this stargirl is yet another zerg user.
Hudson Ross
shoulders are for winners
Christian Ortiz
>Rain free wheeling it outta there
Luke Myers
Well, that's over i guess. Action had some fun games.
I'll see you nerds on next sunday for the final, it's TWO HOURS EARLIER, DO NOT FORGET
The only time I have seen guardians do anything was the game with shine surprising the terran with them. Great game, but its been like 2 years now maybe 3?
zerg is just going to be burrowed for a couple years
Kayden Ramirez
It is the impossible race. If you aren't good enough, you get STORMED or TANKED and if you are good enough then your wrists explode.
Kevin Mitchell
entire race will morph into lurkers and hold position
Jeremiah Morris
Guardians die to storms. At such late stage the armies are big so you cant avoid getting them clumped, and you cant dodge either because of how slow guardians are.
Jordan Murphy
zerg is just so hard to play. If they're played well against Protoss you wonder if the game is just broken. Mutas to kill probes/templars, endless cracklings, ultras that never dies
They need a buff. Zergling and hydralisk health should be doubled, along with their cost. Mutalisk need +2 range. Defiler should be able to cast and move while burrowed.
Joseph Hill
>Defiler should be able to cast and move while burrowed
Defilers should be able to merge together into ultralisks.
Jackson Green
Back to hell with you zasz
Leo Williams
>cant dodge either because of how slow guardians are Unless you're Flash. Then you can dodge plagues with BC's. Fuck, can someone repost the webm?
Samuel Rodriguez
Yeah if you watch effort, soulkey, or even hero vs protoss it looks like zerg is OP as fuck. Not to mention prime jaedong. There were people complaining that pvz is unwinnable a couple seasons ago.
Juan Hall
post the correct image of snow
Brandon Campbell
Comfy music.
Levi Richardson
Lmao at this delusion. Back in the heyday top toss players used to have higher wages compared to other races because there ware not many of them playing at the highest level and teams ware willing to pay extra to sign them on. Toss has always been the hardest race to play.
Owen Young
Yeah and also plague should slow movement deplete all the opponents energy. And defilers should wiggle twice as fast.
Aaron Hall
We need to infect bisu and make him take on the mantle of zerg
Chase Wood
>And defilers should wiggle twice as fast. Literally everyone would want to play zerg, and then no one would ever get to see defilers ever again. That would be the worst possible change.
Adam Diaz
he just means their little wiggle animation should be twice as fast, they'll move the same speed.
Cameron Smith
Does anybody have the youtube channel of this match? I know it was when he was playing against Larva in Sparkle. It was a really long game where Flash built about a billion turrets. I'd like to redo this webm but in better quality.
effort literally smashed Flash but now all the good zergs are gone
Anthony Hill
someone make a webm of the drone genocide
Tyler Jones
soma zero action! flash jaedong / larva / sascri
Luke Lopez
savoir
Cameron Johnson
No way. A lot of protoss pros had low APM because it's the race that requires the least amount of skill. Not sure if it's the same game but Flash builds tons of turrets in this one youtube.com/watch?v=FfuaywRsScA