>Unresponsive controls > Implemented FG-type buffer-holding system in a fucking platform fighter; resulting in tons of random suicides offstage > Added a near-completely RNG-based character that still can kill you at 0% without luck needed > Online is as stable as a whale on a pogo stick > Perfect-shielding gone, Good timing on block punished because shitty Parry-mechanic got introduced. Nobody can use it voluntarily. > 4VS nearly unplayable even with a good connexion. 1VS1 barely works. > Can get banned 30mins to 5hours for leaving a match that already ended > Obvious need of nerfs & buffs gets ignored > Can't play with friends if banned > Can't run through opponents anymore; some characters can, but you're never told who > Game eats inputs randomly, leaves your character standing still like a retard
So someone else is experiencing the suspension glitch, that's cool since I've seen nothing anywhere else about it that doesn't give me a "its ur fault lol" answer. I've been leaving the matches during/after the victory screen finishes up and I still get banned for 2 hours every time. hope they fix but idk lol
It’s the smash engine itself at this point, it’s ultimately starting to show its age, this is why the next smash should use a new engine built from the ground up
Zachary Gomez
It already had the soul sucked out of it with 4 having that retarded "classic" mode, no adventure, and those terrible trophy descriptions. This was to be expected.
David Rogers
> Game eats inputs randomly, leaves your character standing still like a retard Does this actually happen? Because that might explain some of the weirdness that happens from time to time, especially with down tilts.
Gavin Carter
Smash 4 is the worst, then Melee.
Logan Bailey
Yes, it's a glitch that mostly happens with tilt attacks (or any stick-related inputs; if you have the tap-jump on, or C-stick tilts). The game does not buffer tilt-attacks assigned to the C-Stick - you have to manually input the tilt-attack twice normally or else your character will just stand in place, waiting to get wrecked.
As for the double-jump thing - if the game experiences a lag-spike when you're airborne; you might double-jump by accident and there will be no indications that you have no jumps left until it's already too late.
it's hot garbage.
Cooper Flores
There is a delayed input system which could be related since it trying something else while your pushing buttons.
I like that you can't run through characters. you can spook your opponents if you do it occasionally.
Brandon Allen
REIMU IS IN FUCKING SMASH FUCK BANJOFAGS FUCK STEVEFAGS FUCK EDRICKFAGS FUCK SORAFAGS FUCK DOOMFAGS FUCK EVERY OTHER CHARACTER REIMU IS IN SMASH AS THE FOURTH FIGHTER FUCK ALL OF THE OTHER LEAKS SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS IN REIMU IS GETTING IN YOU FAGGOTS FUCK YOU EDRICKFAGS FUCK YOU BANJOFAGS FUCK YOU DOOMFAGS FUCK YOU ASHLEYFAGS FUCK YOU STEVEFAGS FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCK EVERYONE KILL YOURSELVES DIE DEGENERATES HAVE SEX COPE AND KEEP SEETHING AND DILATE C*MBRAINS AND TRANNIES BUY HER GAME BUY HER GAME BUY HER GAME BUY HER GAME BUY HER GAME BUY HER GAME BUY HER GAME BUY HER GAME BUY HER GAME DEATH TO ALL OTHER CHARACTERS REIMU IS SMASH INCARNITE BUY NOW DO IT NOW SKDMOAKSNEHWKDNSUAKDNJSNXIKWNSDOKSNXIMEIXKXEKOSMXWKDNIDKRRNOWKNDDIDKEMSDJEMDIMANDUIDNEISMDJEOSNDUEKZNXIDKSNDKWKDDJRNFMCIKSDNDUSKXNXIDJEKAOXMDUEKSMXNXUDKSMXNXISOSMXIEMDJFKCOEMSPSKDENMSXUOFMEIDJFOEOWKXDJDIKDFMCIEKDNFIAKXMFUEIFMDUXIDNUWDKDJEIEKZMXUDISKXKDISOXJXJEIXKDIDKXJEISKWPWJDJDJDDDDXIIDJXJDIJK YOUR BEAR WILL NEVER GET INTO SMASH YOU FAGGOT OFF YOURSELF REIMU IS IN SMASH AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU AND YOUR 30 YEAR OLD BEAR BODY CAN DO ABOUT IT YOU FILTHY FUCKING FAGGOT DIE YOU LOSER BANJOFAGS BTFO EDRICKFAGS BTFO DOOMFAGS BTFO EDELGUARDFAGS BTFO ASHLEYFAGS BTFO STEVEFAGS BTFO KILL YOURSELVES DEGENERATES REIMU WINS SUCK MY DICK KILL YOURSELVES GET BTFO FAGS AND RESETERA TRANNIES MODS = FAGS FUCK NIGGERS FUCK KIKES FUCK JANNIES FUCK SPICS FUCK GOOKS MODS = NIGGERS AND FINALLY FUCK YOU OP FUCK 4CHANNEL AND FUCK Yea Forums MODS SUCK JEWISH COCK FOR A LIVING FUCKING CASTRATE NIGGERS EVERYDAY FUCK BANJO NIGGERS FUCK ASHLEY NIGGERS FUCK TODD NIGGERS FUCK SHANTAE NIGGERS FUCK EDRICK NIGGERS FUCK SORA NIGGERS FUCK STEVE NIGGERS REIMU IS FUCKING IN DIE NIGGERS AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST KILL YOURSELF OP SHE IS IN
God, the fucking tilt. I cant beieve how fucking incompetent they are. They have on fucking free button that they could have used but no, just 2 buttons to jump and fuck the most important attack in the entire game. Consistent tilt attack combos are impossible. The game s fun despite being unbalanced, but those fucking decisions make it just a party game.
Eli Nguyen
This. Run though characters is inconsistent as fuck
Colton Gray
Smash 4 was trash as well but even that game didn't suffer from so many cockblocking mechanics preventing smooth gameplay. Everything was timing-based; from defensive play to offensive, right down to mindless spam.
now mindless spam and fucking up your timing is more rewarded than being precise. They just sprinkled a shit-ton of multi-hit attacks on some characters to make up for the need of precision (mostly thinking about the fucking mouse and Palucopter).
struggling really hard to squeeze any fun out of this game. The community prefers to pretend there's no problem and that it's all related to skill. It's like someone took a dump on the middle of a ballroom and everyone would rather dance around the turd than clean it.
Logan Diaz
I thought they fixed this in the last patch.
Jack Wood
Fuck of Stevey
Dylan Gutierrez
it got even worse. It doesn't happen in Arena but any other modes where you experience that will prevent you from going online altogether (including Arenas/playing with friends).
Carter Murphy
Thats what Idont get. Comunity is shitty as hell full of git gud pro gamers. How the fuck can you make a tilt based fight game. Its ridiculous
Nolan Ramirez
You didn't play Brawl
Elijah Rivera
>This is the one game where the c-stick can move you in the air.
>absolutely butchered taunts yet ban them in online play. for what purpose?
Jordan Cook
i did play it when i was little. I liked it a lot despite its flaws but i never took it very seriously. At least the characters would perform the actions i ask them to do instead of planting roots through the stage, waiting to get fucked.
(as for the online... it was unplayable - but at least it was unplayable for everyone and it was free. Now we're paying for that shit and the service is even worse than Smash 4's)
Ryder Jones
>some characters can never even touch an opponents shield and every button press is a seemingly massive commitment
>the top tier all share the commonality of being able to vomit indefinite active hitboxes completely unpunished
I can't shake the feeling that a ton of the pros actively dislike this game but are keeping their mouths shut while its still actively being supported
>Sakurai wants to speed up match pacing >could have gone about this by drawing the blast zones in, increasing knockback scaling (as in easily just make it 1:1 with Melee and Brawls), remove repeated move knockback staling, nerfing recoveries across the board, no magnet hand ledge snap
>instead goes about this by making 1v1s have 20% increased damage, butchering taunts and victory fanfares
it's better than Smash 4 feeling like moving through pudding, but i'm a little thrown off
i think most of them keep their mouths shut because they know how the mentality within the community is - anyone showing any sign of discontentment invites judgement and everyone in it wants to play dick-contest.
i'm no pro and i don't aim to play competitively. I just find it unnerving how difficult it is to have fun in this game. you never really feel in control of your character unless the connexion is buttery-smooth or that your opponent is a complete deadbrained retard. (And again... sometimes the deadbrained retard can just win out of sheer spam and luck).
Multi-hits as a whole in this game are cancerous. If they wanted to add so many active hitboxes all the time, they should have at least kept the shields as strong as in Smash 4.
Zachary Reed
i mean if he picked it up on release at age 11 he'd be 22 now which i imagine is the average age here
i played Melee at 7, Brawl from around 11 to 14; and so on. I'm 22 now. Time flies.
Christopher Green
Smash became the worst as soon as the no items same stage type meme took over
Angel Edwards
i don't like Melee very much; just played it as a kid for fun. Brawl was kind of fun between friends but nothing amazing. Both loved and hated Smash 4. Never tried 64. Ultimate just seems to be the worst for me; taking in consideration the time of release and all the progress made in technology.
Gabriel Lewis
>BUHHHH SMASH 4 SUCKS! IT REWARDS DEFENSIVE PLAY AND THAT'S BORING >BUUHHHIRURURPPPPTPHPTHPT WHY DID SAKURAI MAKE ULTIMATE REWARD AGGRESSION!? SMASH 4 WAS SO MUCH BETTER!
64 was basically a proof-of-concept pitch that they slightly dolled up and threw on shelves. It's fun for the novelty of it, but Melee feels like the "real" first game in the series
James Clark
> Rewarding aggression > Rewarding bad timing, 10 active hitboxes and mindless play
There's many other ways to improve a game than turning it into a slot machine. How the fuck is it supposed to be rewarding aggression of you can't parry projectiles consistantly and that everything in this game encourages the zoners to do as little efforts as possible? i don't follow.
Jason Perez
>It's like someone took a dump on the middle of a ballroom and everyone would rather dance around the turd than clean it. yes, that's literally what the smash community is like.
It's second to Melee in terms of pure gameplay. I'd say the only real flaws are the massive buffer window (why the FUCK did they think this was okay?), how hard it is to fall through platforms, and still no wavedashing and dashdancing really isn't that useful (not even a tryhard faggot, I just think more movement options would make the game more interesting).
I'd also argue that the game needs some balance patches but they're obviously going to keep doing that for as long as they're rolling out DLC. I'd say projectile zoners and certain characters, like Wolf and swordies in general, need a nerf, while others, like heavies, need buffs. I'm glad they gave my boy Ridley a sorely needed buff. I hope he gets more.
Joseph Butler
I just want to make this clear, Yea Forums. You guys are literally defending Smash 4 over Ultimate, even though you retards insisted it was the worst game ever.
I'm sorry, but your contrarianism is showing.
Robert Ross
I didn't want to say anything and I thought I was being bad at the game, but now it makes sense. Some times I do an action and something else happens or doesn't happen at all.
Landon Brooks
>There's many other ways to improve a game than turning it into a slot machine.
Jesus Christ almighty, you are so fucking bad.
Adam Bailey
THIS. Holy shit, I hate this fucking board sometimes. A lot of the time actually.
Parker Morales
play a real fighting game
Angel Sanchez
it's almost like they managed to fuck the pooch even more than Smash 4 and that after so many years given to study the problems; nearly none of them are fixed and new one rose.
No smash game is perfect in any manner but i was a diehard defender of Ultimate before it came out / after the few first months. it's not just balance that's fucked (like Smash 4); it's the entire gameplay this time.
i'm not saying that Smash 4 was objectively better (because it's not; Ultimate is "objectively" the best yet, in terms of content). However it's a completely unresponsive broken piece of shit when it comes to execution.
Carter Gray
27 here, sure it does
Liam Miller
the weird fucking with the buffer is new to Ultimate, which is where I think the Smash 4 comparisons are coming from
Ult is clearly a better game but that's not saying much
Carson Brown
No, you're literally just fucking bad.
Logan Adams
If complete casuals, like streamers, start questioning if something was their fault or not thats a good barometer to determine its not just you.
I see it constantly with Smash, especially during Smash 4.
>it's almost like they managed to fuck the pooch even more than Smash 4
They absolutely did fucking not screw the pooch. Ultimate is a great fucking game, retard. I'm sorry that you're constantly chomping at the bit to shit on every single popular thing.
Elijah Williams
Try and convince me that guessing if there's going to be a spike lag, if your move is going to come out early, late, or never; or if your character will recognize any of your inputs correctly next - is in no way shape or form a matter of randomness?
i'm no pro. i'm good enough to handle my own - when the game doesn't cuck me into having my characters turn into idle tards waiting to get fucked.
Brayden Phillips
Whoever changed the buffer to just holding the button needs to have their knees broken. Any time I get a shieldgrab I have to make sure i let go of the buttons so fast or else i'm getting a roll, too. I've learned to not press buttons the second i get hit so i don't accidentally airdodge to my death, but it's still obnoxious.
But I don't really play the game that much these days anyway, since team co-op sucks hard in this game. Not having friendly fire on is way more volatile in this game than in 4, and there's less options to deal with it. In 4 you could at least play with friends online with a second player locally, but they still haven't given us an option to do this with arenas. Say what you will about QP, co-op QP is even worse, second only to 3 player FFAs.
Honestly this. I haven't been playing smash for a while and playing UMvC3 again with friends and been having a much better time as of late.
Jonathan Garcia
not being able to assign the most important attack to a fucking button instead of relying on a 4mm space in a fucking joystick in a lightspeed game who uses the joystic to EVERYTHING is a sin anons.
Smash will be a party game until the controls are reliable and customizable
Ayden Johnson
It's really not a good game. I don't think I've ever seen a game this laggy and unresponsive. I'm being completely serious here, Smash Ultimate is legitimately just a bad game. You can go ahead and suck Sakurai's shaft until the cows come home, but you and I both know that the only reason this game is still even being talked about is because of the roster. That's it. That's fucking it. Your game is literally designed to cater to retards like Etika who screech and clap when their favorite corporate mascot is on screen. You - and every single faggot who unironically enjoys the sheer fisting known as Smash Ultimate online - are fucking delusional.
MvC3 did such a better job at fleshing out uniqueness with the smaller character movepools than Smash.
>Dormammu spells >Ammy stance switching >Wesker teleport bullshit >Haggar the grappler actually having several command grabs unlike Incineroar >Wolverine full crazy aggression
i played it a month ago and even being kind of shitty at it, it wasnt frustrating at all (i know X Factor gets flack)
Dylan Sullivan
as much as i want this game to get better - after years of constant fuckups from Nintendo failing at fixing anything into either Smash 4 or Ultimate; i can't be optimistic about it being fixed at all.
i knew what i was getting into when i picked a lowtier/midtier because i liked the character; but seeing patches after patches completely ignoring it and buffing/destroying everything else taught me that nobody in Nintendo HQ knows what the fuck they're doing with this series anymore.
Brody Morales
the game cramming in everything from past games in to one package is noble, because its the best send-off and leaves the future open to a newer direction and hopefully director too
Tyler Garcia
Don't be naive, responsiveness and tighter controls means more combos and better, more optimal play, which is the opposite of what Sakurai wants.
Instead of doing overtly dumb shit like tripping, there's an invisible hand slapping you telling you to stop playing smash seriously. And it's dumb.
Levi Flores
>it wasnt frustrating at all (i know X Factor gets flack) I think it's the speed of the matches that does it for me. DBFZ has a lot of other problems, but the length of the matches would make it all that more frustrating. I can play a good 30-50 matches in UMvC3 with my friend but he'd get way too salty after just a couple matches in FighterZ.
That being said though, it'd be interesting if there was a mod for 3 that retooled x factor to be more like sparking blast.
Jacob Ross
>i played it a month ago and even being kind of shitty at it, it wasnt frustrating at all (i know X Factor gets flack) I REALLY want to get into it but I'm afraid that I'll never git gud at it or that I might not even like it. The only remotely comparable fighter I've ever tried to git gud with was DBFZ and I ended up hating that one.
I can't even chain crouching normals into standing normals for that game.
Jonathan Howard
Fucking this I want fucking improvement. It's been quite a bit of fucking time since the series has started and somehow shit gotten this fucking stale. I swear to fucking god the reason ANY fucking game ever has longevity in anyway is because of the little things. Whether that's shit to do, small touches to things, small interesting bits of flavor sprinkled throughout to keep you enticed. This game feels like it ONLY fucking has the roster and stages. That's fucking it. I FUCKING HATE THE GODDAMN UNRESPONSIVE CONTROLS. I'M NOT TRYING TO FUCKING WIN ANY CHAMPIONSHIPS, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DRIVE A CAR WITH THE STEERING ALL FUCKED DOESN'T MAKE IT FINE
Only get it if you've got friends to play it with, you'll just get mopped online. It's more execution heavy than DBFZ, but more rewarding in variety and depth.
>I can't even chain crouching normals into standing normals for that game.
fwiw not every character works that way (some can only do one L normal before having to do a M/H), and jump cancel stuff is only used by some characters.
Bentley Mitchell
>>Unresponsive controls More input lag than previous titles yes >> Implemented FG-type buffer-holding system in a fucking platform fighter; resulting in tons of random suicides offstage It's not nearly that bad. >> Added a near-completely RNG-based character that still can kill you at 0% without luck needed Shield his moves >> Online is as stable as a whale on a pogo stick Play people with better connections. It's fine. >> Perfect-shielding gone, Good timing on block punished because shitty Parry-mechanic got introduced. Nobody can use it voluntarily. I can. >> 4VS nearly unplayable even with a good connexion. 1VS1 barely works. Been an issue since Brawl. >> Can get banned 30mins to 5hours for leaving a match that already ended What? >> Obvious need of nerfs & buffs gets ignored Game isn't on the final build. >> Can't play with friends if banned ... >> Can't run through opponents anymore; some characters can, but you're never told who ? >> Game eats inputs randomly, leaves your character standing still like a retard Stop playing online
Aaron Barnes
>stop playing online Wonderful advice right here user.
