You are not going home

10/10 pasta spaghetti

t. Slaves to the skinner box.
One more kill, the rib cage from the skeleton will surely drop next time...

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lol k

You are in the denial stage. Keep going, acceptance will come.

It's a video game.

based

A $15 dollar per month addiction sounds like a fucking bargain to me. Try being addicted to literally anything else for that pittance.

Denial of what? I have no frame of reference so I literally have no idea if I'll like the game or not, but I'm excited to try it.

>if you enjoy anything, it's actually a skinner box

Sneed

You are by definition a drug addict and your drug of choice is world of warcraft. You need therapy.
It's effectively a drug, one that has fried your brain.

>Blizzard actually cracked down on the lfg addon
>The buttmad from the BFA casuals who actually have to socialize now

Going home

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Let people have their fun, it's no more of a "waste of life" than enjoying any hobby or form of entertainment would be.

my drug of choice is actually meth

Why can't MMOturds accept this fact?

Who gives a fuck? 7 billion people on this earth, why should some not enjoy wow?

The skinner box addicted quester who surely believes their gorilla sinew will drop vs. the chad non-addicted grinder who knows he needs exactly 562 more gorilla kills to ding.

You are in denial about your drug addiction.
Actually, that's wrong. Not all hobbies are equal and some are much better than others.

prove it

>Not all hobbies are equal

That is a dumb take without a point of reference. Why are some hobbies ''better?''

say it with me:

T W O
MORE
D A Y S

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This is a coping mechanism.
>It's okay that I'm a drug addicted loser wasting my life on world of warcraft
>There's 7 billion people, who cares, I just need my fix!

nobody cares friend

Because they have real world effects.
For example, training with weights as a hobby will make you stronger, will make you look better, and will change how people percieve you. It will bring countless benefits outside of the hobby itself, beyond just the enjoyment you get from training.

I'm not even playing Wow and I won't play classic. It just doesn't matter, people who get addicted to wow or whatever probably wouldn't have achieved anything worthwhile anyway.

Why are real-world effects important?

Where can I find the classic client?When I try to install WoW it downloads a ~65GB client.

I don't need to prove it, you know it deep down inside. When you're grinding that quest, getting that next boat, somewhere in your mind you will glimmer this thought: I am wasting my life. We both know it, stop denying it.
You care. When you are alone in bed at night and your life hasn't improved for over a year because you sit around killing boars all day, you will feel it and you know it.

button above the play button drop down menu

I exercise several times a week, tubby

Thank you.

Because you exist in the real world, a complex, social world.
I'm enjoying disantangling this complex layer of excuses and COPE's you've built up to justify your drug addiction.

that much projection in one post, lol. Everything you post reads like you were too weak and got addicted to SOS so now you're "preaching the good word" to stop others from making the same choice. You are no better than the government telling people what to put in their bodies. Fuck you.

awww whats wrong, you fucking loser? are you the authority on whos allowed to have fun or something? fuck you.

All media-consumption hobbies are equal. If you have a hobby that fosters personal development then it's definitely a better hobby, but if you're just comparing it to other video games there's no difference.

And yet you're still a weak DYEL and a WoW addicted drug addict.

ITT: OP farming (You)s for that dopamine hit. Pathetic. Sort your life out, loser.

>wasting your life on 4chins instead

But you're not tho

Don't try to reason with this retard. He's clearly posting from an extremist perspective to get a rise out of people.

Post body, tubby. I guarantee all of my lifts are better than your's and I look better than you.

Some very deep levels of COPE here. Extreme drug addiction. These guys will probably still be playing WoW when they are in their 60s and 70s, assuming they don't kill themselves long before then.

>put a quarter in the jar, Johnny.

What are you even talking about?

I'm sure your 15 inch biceps from curling dumbells are very intimidating.
Post body.

Good argument.

Ah, the instant decline. I see how it is, fatty.

>lol I troll (You)

The denial is palpable. It isn't too late to begin the path to recovery.

Judging by the extreme emotional reactions in this thread, it seems that you basically know that everything I've said is 100% true, but the mechanisms, the cognitiive dissonance, is engaging and stopping you from accepting it. You know you need to quit, but you just want that next hit. You have to see a therepist for your addiction bros, it's okay, there is no shame it that. Good luck with your lives.

Still avoiding confronting any arguments put forth in this thread.

Why is it okay for someone to be addicted to something if they weren’t going to achieve something in society? NOBODY should be chained by addiction, whether they’re the next Einstein or just some hobo. Whether they achieve something or not is irrelevant, it’s the fact that addiction halts the possibility of achievement (both in personal life and society as a whole).

seethe more FF14 tranny

Seething

YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU DONT

Fuck off ion I'm not playing bfa

Imagine being so buttmad that your comment killed the previous thread that you need to make a new thread with your mental diarrhea.

I stopped to play after WotLK and I'm happy with the choiche, good times are with me all the time, I don't need to return in a reverse state of something that gone to shit. I opened other doors in my life.

You don't get it. ALL MMO's are bad.

stop body shaming u homos, everyone is doing their best

What video games do you play? Do you play video games at all? Is there a more worthless hobby than shitposting on a video game imageboard when you don't even play games?

It's okay bros. I hope at least that by making this thread, I've spun a few cogs and made you think a little bit deeper about what you're doing. Even if one guy ends up changing the direction of his life, I will be very pleased.

So you're waisting your life on Yea Forums complaining about how others spend their time? Wew

>It's effectively a drug

So is heroin but I also feel pretty good when I take that as well user

The only one addicted in this thread is you OP, to (You)s

Name 1 (one) non-essential (not necessary for survival) activity that can't be dismissed as coping or muh brain chemistry

Look bros, I get it. I really do. The things I'm saying ITT you already know. Maybe your parents have said it to you or maybe you reached the conclusion yourself, but it's an uncommfortable thought and the dopamine rush you get from getting the loot is just so good, so you don't want to hear it. Hearing that you're wasting your life, while knowing it deep down yourself, hurts. It's a bummer. But you need to hear it again.

[Thing I like]

You're either not OP or you changed IP just to bump the thread because your shit was dying.

You are not going home.
You're not having fun, you're simply feeling the illusion of fun, in a similar way to a drug addict getting his fix.(you)'s destroyed your dopamine system, it completely fried your input/output reward system. Your 14 - 16 year old brain got damaged irreversiably by (you)'s and now you will always be addicted, or have the proclotivity to be addicted, just like a recovering alcoholic. Once you get that hit, the realisation that you're wasting your life will dawn on you again, until you quit playing until the itch grows again and you take the next hit from the crack pipe.

These type of extreme "arguments" are COPE's for you to justify your addiction. I hope you know that.

Fuck you, thats not real fun and it's just your brain making you think it is. Go outside user.

What the only people who are really addicted to wow are the people who still play retail because they feel like all the hours they wasted on their characters have to be worth something

I am OP and I didn't change my IP.
You seem very upset. I'm sorry user, but the truth is often painful. Better to hear it from me than your parents for the 100th time.

I'm going to try it since I never played WoW or any mmo growing up

Cool which server are you rolling on?

Sure you are, don't forget to sage when you make a post though.
You're not really contributing.

I will be honest here because no one else is.

You have gotten through to me bro. I will not be playing. It seemed like a good idea but at the end of the day it’s a fucking drug through and through. I won’t submit my soul to that. I refuse. Thank you my good brother.

OP is a cunt hunting for you’s but he’s right and it pisses me off.

I’ve fucked my life up from 2005-2014 and now I’m going to do it all again?

I want it so badly because my life is garbage but I am man enough to admit it’s a drug and won’t solve anything.

I'm definetely OP buddy, not exactly sure what you're trying to get at here.

You forgot to sage again bro and bumped OP's thread.
Here let me sage for you.

Imagine being this upset that others are having fun.

Its cool but its still an MMO so some of it is a little meh.

The big thing people seem to want from it is a tight knit community since retail destroyed itself with LFG/LFR so a lot are hoping to enjoy the game with other people going in it seems.

You're at stage 3 currently.

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Should the people running AA or NA be ashamed of themselves?

>bumped again to page 1
I get it that you're new but posting an image cancels your sage and bumps OP's thread to page 1 again.
Next time just be a darling and just sage instead, no pictures.
Ok, son?

user, why are you so upset with me to the point that you think I'm a different person?

Last two digits equal this man’s weight in KG.

Emaciated zoomer rat just as expected

Is COPE an acronym?

I'm not mad at you, just a bit dissapointed that you can't learn something as simple as learning to use sage.
You keep bumping uninteresting threads to the top you see and that pollutes the whole board.

I am not sure if I should play, apart of me wants to see something a little different, like a bit more balanced version of vanilla.

or a bit more viable specs.

Been playing private servers constantly since nostalrious to elysium to lights hope, which has probably been a few years now. Kinda just makes me want to see something different with this game.

Like I dunno, maybe make warlocks ok at 5 man tanking. Or holy priest being better for leveling. Or different leveling methods for warriors that might actually involve dual wielding instead of staying with 2 handers for Whirlwind axe.

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But the board is a hive of pollution anyway?

BFA BAD
CLASSIC GOOD

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If you see a puddle of piss do you take your pants off and shit in it?

this guy has posted every single fucking day with a new essay
You have to be german, the same guy who posts on /pol/ about brexit

Jokes on you faggot I never played vanilla

>you're not having fun, you're having fake fun!
Ah yes, this argument.
As opposed to nu-wow which is not fun in any capacity.

Pic related

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Tranny are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay, tranny?

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>t.mad FF14 Tranny

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No one wants to say it because they're paranoid a blizzard dev has bugged their house, but a large proportion of the classic crowd don't want just classic, they want to go back to when the slate was clean and have a better game built on it. I'd like to see all the unfinished content worked on, like the naga temple.

But you are not. It is just a jewish feedback loop.

So what did that addon do that was so evil it had to be banned? Did it automatically group people who were looking to do a certain dungeon?

>Implying hitting 2-3 buttons before going back to button number 1 makes the game better.

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STOP ENJOYING VIDEO GAME

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So much anger. It's okay.

getting high for entire month just for 15 bucks? don't mind if I do

I felt the same way, I thought this would be a good way to have a fresh start. But I dont blame people for thinking that way, blizzard are incompetent and theres always going to be some sort of worry on how blizzard will fuck it up.

I think people are just afraid of change.
I want to see mount hyjal or the cutted out dungeons for vanilla. Like that one place near darkshire with the upside down hanged corpses.
I even heard of rumor about in a alpha build priests disc talent tree had a more melee focus towards it.
Which probably explains why they had agility on cloth gear in low level areas.

>No one wants to say it because they're paranoid a blizzard dev has bugged their house, but a large proportion of the classic crowd don't want just classic, they want to go back to when the slate was clean and have a better game built on it. I'd like to see all the unfinished content worked on, like the naga temple

For some it is but for others its just big'ol nostalgia I know a bunch of people who were in their late 20's or early 30's when wow came out and are in their 40's now and just want the old game back.

Hell I was 9 when that shit came out and I wouldn't mind playing it again for nostalgia.

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This guys gets it

You have no idea OP. You can't even comprehend where we're going.

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OP, I'm going to play classic and have a great fucking time. Have a nice day.

And only 10 more days till the player count drops by more than half!

NO NO NO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, IT'S JUST AN OUTDATED GAME, IT CAN'T POSSIBLY STEAL THE SPOTLIGHT AWAY FROM BASED BFA, IT WON'T EVEN HAVE DETAILED QUEST MARKERS

IT TOOK ME 56,000 HOURS TO FARM ALL OF MY 500 MOUNTS, 30000 CHEEVO POINTS, 1000 PETS, 5000 TRANSMOGS AND 400 TOYS

I BOUGHT EVERY CASH SHOP MOUNT AND EVEN THE 6 MONTH SUB SHIP AND NOW I CAN'T EVEN USE IT, I EVEN SUBSCRIBED TO PREMIUM WOWHEAD, BLIZZARD CAN'T BETRAY A LOYAL CONSUMER SUCH AS MYSELF AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

BLIZZARD MUST LET US USE OUR HARD EARNED MOUNTS AND PETS ON CLASSIC, OR I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL CUT DOWN MY MULTIBOX SUBS FROM 25 TO A MERE 10, AND GIVING MY MONEY TO ASMONGOLD INSTEAD

IT CAN'T END LIKE THIS, CLASSIC MUST FAIL OR MY ENTIRE COLLECTION WILL BE WORTHLESS, I CAN'T BELIEVE I SUCKED ALL THAT HORSECOCK IN GOLDSHIRE FOR NOTHING BUT A 6 MONTH BAN

DEAR GOD (who doesn't exists) DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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only 1 more week until the game is playable

OP, I do understand MMO's in general are bad for you as you are constantly chasing a dopamine high. But what if you want to play just for the social interaction again and don't give a rats ass about epix, would you recommend it?

Also, other games are also a dopamine hit (to a way lesser extent ofc). Would you recommend quiting those as well then?

How about Yea Forums? Most of it is also a dopamine hit. Only a few boards are for self-improvement, like /fit/, /diy/ and gardening on /out/. Would you recommend quitting Yea Forums?

Please do answer, honestly curious

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Anger is more useful than despair (trannies).

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stop stop stop, give me the bluepill I WANT THE BLUEPILL PLEASE!!!!

imagine being so butthurt you made this thread. we are going home bros

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I played Wow at 15-17 and now I think it's for faggots like all D&D shit. I'm living proof that you're wrong. You should kill yourself.

>The greatest trick that Blizzard ever played was convincing a bunch of recovered addicts who had sworn off WoW for good, to come back

You don't absolutely have to go for the best gear. You'll always be a bit weaker than some of the population, but you'll do ok. No one in their right mind would recommend going for high warlord/grand marshal because you honestly can't have a life and get it.

>Not all hobbies are equal and some are much better than others.
Is grinding for mounts in retail a better hobby?

I'll stick with retail, thanks. At least there I can play whatever I want and won't be pigeonholed into one role because shitty vanilla mechanics.

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The key to growing is moving on
Accept and understand that the WoW that you enjoyed is long dead
But if you must you can go back and look at the corpse.
It's okay. Take as long as you need. Once you have accepted it you can move on

>Play what ever I want
That's great until you realize that classes have so little identity now.

NOOOOOO WHY IS BLIZZ PANDERING TO NOSTALGIAFAGS THEY SHOULD BE MAKING BFA 2.0 RIGHT NOW

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nu-wow is so unfriendly to newcomers. i haven't played since tbc or wrath and i just renewed my sub so i could check out retail and classic when it drops. there is so much shit going on and hardly any people just straight questing.

Word on the reddit is that they've cut the budget for the next retail expansion to start funding the making of new content for Classic.

wow thanks for telling me what i shouldnt like

>I’ve fucked my life up from 2005-2014
how could you stay subbed so long?

Also, would you actually describe is as indeed a drug addiction like OP says. I kinda felt being an addict playing in vanilla WoW, but then i kinda burnt out during Naxx and quit. After that my life felt way better.

>Stop having fun wrong
Okay.

if thats true I hope its balancing stuff or cut vanilla content.

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The fuck do you care so much? Just play your weeb shit alone

I'll be having fun because i've never played wow vanilla, fag.

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That isn't a Skinner-box. A Skinner-box for one was never random during the conditioning. Randomising the response or withdrawing the reward and punishment was only done as a control to test that conditioning had taken effect. It's done when a practitioner wants to see if a subject anticipates rewards or punishments even when they aren't present. In Vanilla WoW, you are introduced to the issue of quest item drops being randomised straight away, it isn't sprung on you after a period of training. You've confused one behavioural technique for a different one; operant conditioning is not the same thing as sunk-cost baiting, though a subject can be conditioning to be more susceptible to sunk-costs. This does not happen in the scenario you described though; the player's preferences, motives and mental toolsets are not being conditioned. When a player has to get 12 raptor claws, they know they are doing it until whenever it's done and are intrinsically-motivated.

The only Skinner-boxing that happens in Vanilla WoW happens once raiding starts, the part of the game mainly designed by the ex-Everquest guys, who then went on to design TBC and beyond to be Skinner-boxing everyone to do raids.

This guy is lying.
Vanilla is the most imbalanced version of WoW. Unlike in retail, where people with crappier gear can still fight against those with better gear, in vanilla, you will be essentially 1 shot by the super autists who play 24/7 and get High Warlord and Naxx gear. Literally 1 shot.

>Less than 5% of the game population raided naxx, let alone got fully geared from there
Yeah, I don't see it being a big problem. As for the rank 13s, they usually kill themselves or quit from sheer burnout after finally getting their epics.

>everyone tells the truth plays weeb shit or retail
Nope

5% back then, when MMO's were new and WoW was new. Everyone will clear naxx this time, if they play enough. Go look at private servers, the autists all have naxx gear.

This. And what little identity or purposes classes have don't make much sense either because the balance is still bad.

classic will be filled with faggot boomers RPing as if they were 12 again discovering the game for the first time
fucking embarassing

everybody is going to have naxx gear, assuming AQ40 burn out won't be bad

There's still a considerable time investment to get to naxx and the hard core raider spergs will chase off normal people just like on private servers. And most private servers are at best, decently coded, from what I saw, there was plenty of raids with wrong/lower armor values on raid trash and adds with no abilties aside from auto attack.

I don't know if its just me but I always burn out when trying to gear up.

I would like to try naxx for once but its such a long process to get gear.

The LFG addon ban brought all LFR shitters out of the woodwork, I love it

They messed up retail, and are trying to do the same to classic, and see no issue with this

>You are not going home.
You're not having fun, you're simply feeling the illusion of fun
NOOOOOooooooooo how will i ever recover

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you sure? that's on retail, you will feel power rising by gaining epics in vanilla, heck even by gaining good greens

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Tfw you kill the optional bosses and his speeches of doubt against the uplifting messages Lloyd says

Going home meme goes double for me, built amd/amd system first time since playing vanilla.
Best years were spent with amd/ati pc.

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Why are retail players so afraid of Classic succeeding?

Let me explain why rotations awful. My friend loves Mortal Kombat and always has. He's loved all of them since the beginning. So he sometimes goes back to play the originals? Well no; the gameplay just doesn't hold-up compared to the more recent ones. He'd play one or two matches of MK1 or MK2 and that's it. What about MK3 and MK Trilogy? Oh now you're talking, we spent a whole afternoon replaying those! Why? Rotations. MK2 might have been the first one with combos thanks to frame-cancels technically, but MK3 introduced preset combos as rotations. You run in, you do your rotation if they fail to block it and repeat until you win. It takes no skill or timing, unlike with combos from other games which demand frame-cancelling, awkward direction inputs and precise timing; it's just a rotation where inputs are queued up ahead of time. It gives the illusion that players are good at the game though; their character moves so fast and seamlessly, but it's fake.

Vanilla WoW did not have rotations any more than the first two Mortal Kombat games did. So to say the rotations are simplistic is to misunderstand that it wasn't a game about doing rotations. That nonsense came later and added nothing except to give people busy-work. If pressing one button involves making a lot of decisions, it's a deep and tactical game. If one decision requires multiple arbitrary button-presses, it's shallow pretense. My friend doesn't think other fighting games are as deep as Mortal Kombat because 'there's no combos'; you press a button and he kicks, press this button for a different kick, but press them quickly and nothing happens because the first attack hasn't finished. He doesn't understand the mechanics and why they're different, beyond judging them according to those he does know from the game he likes. This is what you're doing when you suggest Vanilla's rotations are poor.

but VAnIllA iS hArD

If it greatly outperforms retail, retail will probably get budget cuts or deprioritized entirely. It also contradicts the narrative from Ghostcrawler and Ion that the game has been 'improving' since Vanilla, not gradually getting worse which is embarrassing for someone as unbelievably arrogant as Ion

I know dilating takes 3 hours but shitposting won't make the pain go away sweetiee

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>Layering
>No Skeletons
>Streamers
>Zoomers
>Trannies
>Fags
>No Addons
This doesn't sound anything like an authentic Vanilla WoW experience. What else are they going to change next?

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It's a fun experiment but it's unrealistic this game is going to get very far. Blizzard improved through years of calculated planning, trial and error and it's only a matter of time before these nostalgia players return to current content. How am I supposed to believe that cutting races, classes and expansions worth of content will make a world more fun? It's like arguing a smaller toolbox with 90% of the tools gone is better for a mechanic, or giving a chef only one ingredient.

Take it from a 7 year veteran of WoW: the game has never been better.

the reason MMOs became so soulless and godawful is questing
in the old days they were few and far between, involving lots of travel, collection of rare or expensive things, and so on. most of the time you just sat there and killed things. when the entire experience is just walking from one checkpoint npc to another, killing 10 bears, then repeating for your dopamine rush it just kills the idea of an actual world

>Blizzard
>Improved
Light chuckle

You couldn't pay me to play any of the wow expansions.

>watch Rich Turpin ganking streamers
>I wanna do that now

ayy lmao

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absolutely based!

What forum post is this from?

Are you joking? Blizzard is like the Todd Howard of game companies. They turned wow into a facebook game for an entire expansion.

>Take it from a 7 year veteran of WoW: the game has never been better
Nigger you started in Panda you have no idea what you're talking about

agreed. runescape actually does this well. there arent many quests but they actually take some time to complete

wtf im a retail bvll now

Because someone at Acti-Blizzard would then ask why it's the case, play it themselves and realise 90% of Classic is not in the slightest related to raiding or esports arena-mode. WoW since 2007 has been all about raiding both as an end-goal, with much of the design of the PvE content aimed at training players for raiding. There was less of the theme-park stuff and more a world that presented possibilities.

The focus of WoW was narrowed massively.

>7 year veteran of WoW
So you're saying you've never played classic, BC or any actually good expansion, and have no idea what you're talking about it

What he doesn't show you is him and friends trying to interrupt the dueling tournament, getting fucked up and crying at the graveyard about how they're bad but there's just more of them.

>runescape quests

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I'm going to have fun and there's NOTHING you can do to stop me.

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yeah but fuck streamers tho lad.

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I wanna try Shaman, but I just love the idea of a Dwarf Paladin.

You're sort of this newcomer to this holy faith but you're still in the end a paladin, and there's nothing quite like summoning a warhorse or charger when the rest of Dwarfs summon a ram.

Starting in Dun Morough really just tells this story of your character learning how to be a legitimate holy warrior.

I feel like Shaman doesn't quite have that flavor to it.

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2 more days bros.

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Hope you have fun then user

Honestly, I think the build up to classic WoW is giving people more euphoria then the actual game itself will.

People will notice many things are missing, and yet they won't miss them.

Far from being 'expanded', WoW was narrowed down: it's more, but more of the same. It's been World of Raidcraft for such a long time now, only the longest memories know what it wasn't always.

>mfw people already forgot how much of a joke ret paladins were in vanilla
>mfw the class is currently in a better state than it's ever been

Feels good being a retailchad

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>Roleplaying as some straight edge vegan self improvement cuck when in reality sitting on Yea Forums with the rest of the "addicts"

JFL.

Even if that happened the servers would still be way more populated than any vanilla server was. Virtually all of them have hit Full pop just off name reservations.

It's missing any community that would make it worth playing though, so what's the point

>play whatever you want
>everything feels the same
what did he mean by this

People had to get used to the idea of abandoning quests once completing them was no longer worth it due to levelling past them. Some legitimate feedback at the time said the world needed more happening in it, but Blizzard was so focused on end-game raids at the expense of practically everything else.

Based and redpilled

>Yea Forums has gotten to the point where they zelously defend WoW, WoW!

12 years later and I still remember finishing Monkey Madness to use my dragon skimmy. Runescape has some awesome quests and I wish WoW had quests like it.

legit got nothing to do for 2 days, just gonna buy gametime and fuck around on retail, screw it

>retail

ive been subbed for months. havent logged in in weeks. its not worth it, just emulate some snes games instead trust me

mostly I just want to see what the AH is like, so maybe I can get some gold on the side while there's downtime in classic, for a token and whatnot
Don't even have Bfa, but I think I was able to get a token with just farming old shit. At least glyphs and old garbage like that still sell, for cosmetic purposes

Yeh it feels great getting epic gear from MC, I normally just get rank 12 with honor, it feels less of a hassle than trying to get gear from pub runs in raids.

Kinda feels like the only way you get a chance to take part in naxx is if you get friends to help you out. I am mostly just someone that plays by themself since my friends don't enjoy vanilla.

And I doubt a Yea Forums guild is competent enough to raid naxx.

The LFG addon is literally just the TBC LFG tool. The fact so many LARPers cried about it and Blizzard actually caved in to these retards just makes me lose any hope for Classic+. Hopefully if Classic+ ever becomes a thing and Blizzard implements community polls, they only listen to people with R14 or KT kill, anything else would be a disaster with Reddit running the show.

>Ret is the """BEST""" it has ever been in BFA
Are you fucking retarded? I mean you are because you're playing a male light bright.
The golden age of paladin was BC-Woltk and if you think otherwise you're actually a brain dead dog.

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NOOOOOO DELETE THIS VANILLA HAS MORE SPELLS THAN RETAIL

ret went to trash the moment it got holy combo points

MMOs are more fun when the world is empty
Not dead, the big towns and cities should be populated and bustling, but if you go to some godforsaken corner of the world on a quest it should feel like empty wilderness. maybe you'll meet another adventurer there on the same task and join up, or find a party and grind for a bit. not fast travel there, walk past 12 people flying around on dragons doing their daily chores, kill 10 basilisks and leave. only people who can possibly enjoy that is dopamine slaves that can't live without being rewarded or told they're great every 5 minutes

>>mfw the class is currently in a better state than it's ever been
too bad all classes are in the worst state they've ever been

Kek I tried to venture north from Undercity in beta, I see now why I died so much

did you copy paste this from mmo-champion or plebbit?

if it isn't a copy pasta, then grats on being the biggest faggot ever

Uwu awe nowt going home.
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>2019
>giving Blizzard money for rehashes, not even remaster nor remake, just straight up lazy rehash of the old game, they even said the lost the vanilla code, so most of this is improvised from the ground up.

Blizzard should just make a hard core retail version. Remove lfg, lfr, flying mounts, quest trackers, make classes unique again, and it's fixed.

Only in raids, which people warned would ruin the game and they did and kept doing when TBC rolled in. Once raiding starts, there may as well only be 3 basic classes to match the only 3 intended roles that the content supports; tank-healer-DPS. They knew years before release that there were going to be 9 classes. That's 9 different types of player who could do very different things. Yet Kaplan, Chilton and Pardo then go and add two after-thought instances just before release for groups of 40 and then design them around Everquest's system, rather than the 9 classes that had just had years of design carefully put into them so they could be customised for diverse playstyles in all the game's activities. This made it inevitable that the classes would become dumbed-down and homogenised, whether things were added to or taken away from them. As a Shaman, I didn't want to be purely a healer and the original WoW didn't make me one: the raiding sub-culture did. Raiding culture then shaped WoW going forward, creating Retail as it is, where everyone is pigeonholed but they've been Skinner-boxed into thinking they aren't.

The backlash against Classic is at least partly-explained by the possibility that in the absence of those Skinner-boxes, people will know what the game looks like without them and be able to recognise how saturated Retail is with them.

you are sick in the head lmaoooo

>classic WoW

Read the post you idiot

Played the game on a private server a month ago. It's a blast. We're going home.

They just did, retard. It comes out in 3 days.

This so much.

Uhh, no. Classic is classic, I'm talking retail with all the new classes, zones, races, etc, but a hard core version.

This, FFXIV has some interesting stuff in their story quests, but it is buried beneath lengthy layers of required bullshit. Questing should be optional, sure you can have it unlock features like in Runescape but in order to max out your level you shouldn't be held to them, however Quest rewards should be compelling, and the actual quality of the quests should be on the higher end, with unique enemies, puzzles, mechanics, etc. The big place where Runescape succeeds in their quests from a mechanical standpoint is the fact that it isnt your primary way to level, and it is used to unlock desirable rewards depending on what you wish to do, but nothing required short of the ones that unlock certain skills

LFR and LFG retards are by far the most infuriating when it comes to this addon shit. They don't even want to play Classic, they just want to shit it up like they did retail.

Yeah, but rolling on the hardcore server means you are just handicapping yourself. The rewards are still the same, so might as well roll on the easy server.

And removing lfr etc from the main game won't happen either, because then Blizzard will be flooded with crying casuals.

Blizzcucks are seething, I'll be waiting for the disappointment this is going to generate and the shill user faces when this goes tumbling down.

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MFW doing strat with 2 huntards having their pets tank pulls, a 2 mages, and a priest because the server I was on was so small people tried to improv groups

Honestly fun as fuck, if not a bit dumb . I dont think we quite cleared it but we came pretty far

If they were willing to do that then retail wouldn't have become what it is in the first place.

>eah, but rolling on the hardcore server means you are just handicapping yourself. The rewards are still the same, so might as well roll on the easy server.
But the difference is that the hard core version will require socialising and make the make a real mmo again.

There's highly upvoted posts on the forums saying they want classic to be more 'accessible' and and LFG tool will do that, and why do we hate broadening the audience

Never wanted to punch someone through the internet so much, they actually have no idea what LFG does to the game, and don't care. They're like locusts

>And removing lfr etc from the main game won't happen either, because then Blizzard will be flooded with crying casuals.
They don't need to remove it from the game. The casuals would not play the hard core version. Their lfg flying mount single player game would still be there for them to collect mounts.

That's nice but and and prove you wrong.

I see your point but want to highlight that the issue was mainly that WoW's world didn't change. It was minimally-interactive. A quiet area was always a quiet area. The only thing that changed this was other players being spontaneously encountered; they were what made the game an MMO rather than a single-player or a 3D Diablo. What made world-PvP compelling was it could be quiet in the world one moment, but it could change minutes later, when all the lvl 11-17s get back to defend the Sepulcher from 3 lvl 60 Alliance that are attacking, like a random boss-fight. Blizzard badly neglected the opportunities presented by the world that had been built, never building on this at all. I waited years like an idiot, but they seem committed to their theme-park vision of Raid of Raidcraft: The Raiding Crusade.

I haven't seen anyone petition them to make it happen or ask in a qna. I don't see why not.

The real "you think you do, but you don't."

You're an idiot.

LFG is actually important and needed, how else are people going to find groups?

They would have an identical game, just with those features turned on. They would have no reason to say "reeee, I want lfg on hard-core server!!!" when they literally have a normal server with those features and the same content already.

Not exactly sure why you're being an ass. Go outside and get some air, asshole.

Is mage or warlock better at dealing with random wpvp encounters? I only really ever played warlock back in the day so I'm not sure

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You're not being serious right?

They don't realise how a lot of these things didn't 'broaden the audience' at all. 90% of WoW was not-raiding, most people didn't want to raid and when they had exhausted everything pre-MC, they re-rolled to see the bits they didn't see before. Only 25% of players who hit 60 ever did Ragnaros.

The player-base expanded since 2.0, but the vast majority of new content for WoW was focused on raiding and players were put in Skinner-boxes to condition them into thinking they wanted to raid, because the project leads didn't want to make any other content if they could help it.

They conveniently forget that "broadening the audience" and making the game more 'accessible' in Wrath opened the flood gates for the LFG and later the LFR tool. It stripped servers of any sense of community they previously had; it led to a general dumbing down of the game beginning in Cata with spells and abilities being removed left and right; Heroics which previously had some semblance of difficulty needed to be gutted and turned into normal mode so LFG mouth breathers are able to clear it. The appeal of Vanilla is entirely based on the community interaction, and a modicum of difficulty that requires group coordination. If these idiots want LFG and LFR they can stay in retail.

I think it's equally likely the project leads (Ion) were such raiding enthusiasts, they couldn't conceive that anyone would play an MMO and not want to raid. To them, raiding *is* the game. So when you only have raiding content to complete at endgame, that's a great endgame as far as they're concerned.

while levelling prob mage. with some gear, an sl lock is pretty unkillable 1v1 with the double sac pet and succubus charm

warlocks can have their succubus invis for charming people that jump you and a void walker is good for emergency bubble.

you may want a a rank 3 pvp trinket when you can around level 20 also. That's help when a rogue stuns me and I just quickly deny his gank.

Mages have a far lower health pool and a sudden burst damage in a gank can just flatout end you. So you need to rely on skill a lot more and reaction times to avoid dying.

Funny that; they wanted to 'broaden the audience' but also narrow down the range of activities not related to raiding; which meant having to have that convenient button right there on the mini-map, to cut-out the whole concept of playing inside of a persistent world and go straight into an instance. What is the world even in the game for then once it's just become a hub?

This. It's a bargain addiction.

> all this buttmad for a single game
> trannies and retailfags actually mad for classic instead of just farming mounts in retail
Wew

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That's because the project leads who were being hired to work on WoW were all former raiders in big guilds. People like Ion used to run a website dedicated to min maxing and raiding. It's no surprise that people who only raid ignored every aspect of the game that wasn't raiding and led to the skinner box of today. Post Wrath saw aspects of the game such as professions, dungeoneering, and questing turned into a brainless activity and ignored all together.

Questing for example used to require some strategy in taking on particular quests, you had to pop some potions, maybe group up, strategize about which abilities to use in order to deal with dense mob concentration. After Wrath questing turned into just pull everything and aoe it down. Why? Because raiding was the end, questing was just an inconvenience that you needed to get through in order to get to the end game and start raiding. People who only enjoyed the leveling/questing experience in WoW soon started to drop off.

This, they have always had a huge blind-spot for anything not about PvE raiding. I remember Kaplan's idiotic assertion about 'Karazhan being the most-played instance in the game'. You just had to exclude the 40v40 Alterac Valley PvP instance of course.

>T W O
>MORE
>D A Y S
T W O
MORE
D A Y S

Thats actually a great point

>People who only enjoyed the leveling/questing experience in WoW soon started to drop off.
If the population statistics are anything to go by, this was the majority of the playerbase

I always did feel like WoW was getting less fun the moment I turned level 60.

It felt like my progress just became a crawl compared to level up and just getting prebis.

hes right though
you neckbeards are pathetic

Don't you remember leveling guilds? Those guilds used to be everywhere back in Vanilla - Wrath. Every player in those guilds used to just quest, hit max level, roll and alt and begin the cycle all over again. You would have those players that would branch off into raiding of course, but the majority of the members would just enjoy the questing and social aspect of the guild. Then in Cata Blizz introduced the guild perk system which led to an incentive to invite every single player without a guild to get gold deposited in the guild bank. This eventually led to the death of guilds, coupled with solo aspect of the questing experience, it's no wonder people began to unsubscribe around this time. For many people who played the game, WoW was a way to just meet new people and chat. Blizz recognized this later on during the drop of subs in WoD and removed the perk system, but by then it was too late. Guilds were, and continue to be, silent rooms filled with players. Even raiding guilds have a single channel set up where the raiders talk to each other in, while the rest of the guild is silence. Despite the fact that raids in Vanilla required you to have 40 people, the 5 mil or so playerbase didn't all raid, only roughly 20% of that did, the other 4 mil were just content with being a social in a guild.

I wouldn't say 50% of it, more like 20%.
And that is actually fucking perfect.

you guys, like me probably love the leveling experience in many games, but get bored at end-game.
That's why ESO post one-tamriel is so good. 50 regular levels and then 810 champion point levels and you can quest anywhere and in various ways. The game lacks world pvp and a seamless interactive world like WoW though

which is the best west pvp server? one that isnt full of mexicans and one that isnt a Yea Forums server

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I tried it, the combat felt too simplistic and I really didn't like the aesthetic of the world. More power to you if you enjoy it though

Fairbanks

While leveling, mage.
Just being able to blink out of stuns and poly+run if necessary is a big deal.

Let's be real, you can't be above 18 if you give money to nu-Blizzard. You simply can't.

The very fact you want to play Classic WoW is a proof you never played Vanilla WoW. People who did know those days are over and what a shitty remake this is going to be.

Is it basically going to be like osrs and new raids or dungeons are designed based on community polls but we never go past 60?

>you guys, like me probably love the leveling experience in many games, but get bored at end-game.
Yeah I never really enjoyed raiding, I just found the entire experience to be a dull affair. Memorizing boss patterns to down a boss was never fun for me. I enjoyed the questing much more. Hell, I only play XIV today just to do the main quests then I drop off for 2 years until the next xpac launches. Same with ESO, I just went around questing to my hearts content until I grew bored of the game because of the lack of world pvp and seamless world. That's also my problem with XIV, everything is instanced, there's no seamless transition from Tanaris ---> Ungoro that makes it feel like you're in an entire world with a living breathing ecosystem.

delusional or you're OP

Your lack of capitalization does not surprise me. Not one bit.

The 18 audience.

You are me and I am you

>and it's fixed.
it wouldn't be close to fixed, even if they did all that their quest design, zone design, story concepts and ideas, inability to do scaling remotely right, constant catch up mechanics, time locks, daily quest shite etc
the game is beyond even remotely fixing at the most fundamental levels, it would need to be redesigned from the ground up. it is not only the qol shit that makes the game worse user

i'm 30 and I don't play retail, brainlet

>All these seething trannyfreaks, kikes, retail retards and other animals
Reminder there is only 3 kinds of subhumans who hate the white man's game, WoW Classic AKA WoW Vanilla AKA Pure white pride world wide.

>XIV Trannyfreaks
After removing their cocks and worshipping israel and the jewish menace by shooting he-she hormones until their brain rots, they fear classic as it will exterminate their faggot "game" (ERP and dress up simulator)

>Retail trannies
After removing their cocks and worshipping israel and the jewish menace by shooting he-she hormones until their brain rots, they fear classic as it will exterminate their faggot "game" (ERP and dress up simulator), these also fear that once they play classic they'll give up on their degenerate ways and become part of the holy judenjager.

>The juden untermensch
The kike HATES the white race and hates everything the white race loves, wow classic is the new hitler youth, every player and "zoomer" who plays it will be filled with white pride and ready to hunt and kill the juden.

So which kind of söy guzzling subhuman are you?

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From the live stream the other day, Omar said the dev team is entirely okay with an OSRS model called Classic+ unless the player base wants BC then they can go with that then figure it out after. I'm hoping for a Classic+ system where we get new shit being added to Azeroth like open world dungeons, raids, etc.

BC ret was suffering
Wrath ret was KING

fpbp
op is mad and/or projecting

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>how i type in chat to form parties
>how i try make friends
>how game so hard i want just click button and group made 4 me

Any reason why you didn't complain about people giving money to actiblizz when sekiro was released?

>spent the last year learning how to play Paladin and thinking how fun it will be
>24/08/2019
>98% sure I'm going to roll my old main, a warlock
This happen to anyone else?

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well yeah duh. They design these games to essentially be digital heroin that's legal why do you think the game industry exploded to be several times the size of movies and music combined over the past few years?

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I wonder if the people that want LFG in classic were even around when LFG was added and caused all sorts of chaos in the community. Shit was wild

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current movies and music are pretty lame though

I'm still unsure what I want to main. Part of me wants to go Holy pally because that's what I played back in Vanilla, but another part of me wants to go Warrior so I don't have to sit in Ironforge for hours pugging.

no.
>torn between my old main, warlock, and mage
>remember that theres no ice lance in vanilla
>pick lock

easy peasy
i still think about mage though

Classic + when?

I'd like it, but don't delude yourself. They don't care what players want, they care what will get them easy money.
And it's easier money to just throw up tbc servers with no extra effort even though vanilla servers will eventually die, and tbc will eventually die etc, because they have to do fuckall to make that happen as opposed to designing content to keep the thing alive.

What confuses me is Yea Forums of all places doesn't want LFG.

Yeah it ruined the game, but you're 4channers. You browse this place because you get thrown out of every other website for how you act. Before the LFG tool if you acted like a sniveling worm, a racist, etc. on your server you got a bad reputation and you were never invited to anything. You were effectively blacklisted by all the "normies" as you call them. LFG across servers enabled you to actually start playing the game game again. So why do you oppose the 1 tool that is a cure for your little attitude problem? This will be especially true once streamers start identifying users as 4channers and insist nobody bring you to anything or cooperate with you.

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World-PvP was very popular in WoW before 2007, despite the best efforts of the Kaplan, Pardo and Chilton(hereafter referred to by their old guildname Legacy of Steel as the LoS-trio) to wreck it. Tarren Mill VS Southshore still happened despite PvP mini-games set in instances being introduced, along with the PvP reward system that wasn't fit for purpose. They failed to build on it; placing World-PvP objectives as far away as possible from populated areas, nudging people towards the convenience of queuing for battlegrounds. I was one of those who jumped ship for a while to try Warhammer Online, which promised the world-PvP(or Realm vs Realm to use Mythic's terminology) that Blizzard had neglected. What happened? Did the same thing: introduced more convenient instanced minigames for PvP. Even Warhammer was a WoW-clone and they all wonder why they kept failing.

A dynamic world which players could affect at level 60 would have made for a more sustainable candidate for end-game activities: now your progress becomes less personal and more factional. What's the point of having so much 'contested territory' to contrast 'Alliance controlled' and 'Horde controlled' areas? Some Planetside style mechanics may have been nice, but there's no raiding in Planetside so Blizzard looked nowhere else but Everquest, which it's alleged the LoS-trio had also ruined as players, doing stuff Blizzard would later ban others for in opposition to what the LoS-trio did with WoW.

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this post is plebbit as fuck but correct

It’s just like Disney remakes. Vanillafags are the male equivalent of the 35 year old women going to see live action beauty and the beast

>Yeah it ruined the game, but you're 4channers. You browse this place because you get thrown out of every other website for how you act.
What a stupid comment, you're confusing Yea Forums with /pol/. The discussions here are unironically better than anywhere else online

This will be my first time playing classic and im hype as hell what do you have to say to me? Some cheap shit like its a drug? Whos paying you?

>The discussions here are unironically better than anywhere else online

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It's almost as if people have self control and don't act like how they do on Yea Forums.

i dont speak loses wars, whats she saying

>everybody on Yea Forums is the same

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because your character can have a bad reputation, so you make sure you follow etiquette. Assholes like loot ninjas were the true degenerates of the realm and IRL

"Kurwa where is the doilets"

>i'm
>30
This fucking retard. Classic WoW is retail WoW you fucking idiot. Do you even know what retail means?

As long as you play the official release of WoW, you are a retail player. A mouthbreathing dumbass. Classic or the current version, you all are same shit, you fucking goblin.

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Not even memeing, you'd never get this thread on plebbit. It's literally braindead one liner memes upvoted which drowns out all decent conversation

/pol/ discusses games better than Yea Forums

unironically Yea Forums is the best place to actually discuss video games. your other alternatives are reddit or trannyera. Unless you're a turbo boomer who's a member of a dead forum created in 1999, there is no where else to talk about video games.

Are we hype?

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>trannyfreaks, kikes, retail retards and other animals
You mean the ones that will play classic wow.
>removing their cocks and worshipping
>shooting he-she hormones until their brain rots
You mean blizzard's fanbase.
>israel and the jewish menace
You mean blizzard
>The kike HATES the white race and hates everything the white race loves, wow classic is the new hitler youth, every player and "zoomer" who plays it will be filled with white pride and ready to hunt and kill the juden.
delusion: the post. every player will be a zoomer that will be filled the cum, soi, white guilt and ready to lick the feet of their kike overlords.

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Yea Forums is probably the best worst place to discuss video games, all things considered.

Being addicted to work you actually make money

Because I behave differently when I'm not on Yea Forums. I don't go and call people faggot in other places.

Also, being friendly is mandatory in Vanilla WoW, so you have to anyway.

no

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When I started playing, I was 7.
I just wandered around elwynn enjoying the scenery, and exploring Stormwind and Ironforge.
I was happy just doing that until I wandered into Westfall, and saw an enemy I couldn't even touch. this motivated me to start leveling.

I was still really bad at the game, but over time I got better. I stopped using Armor and Damage values to decide on gear when I'm playing a mage. I stopped spamming fireball and nothing else.

As I went through these changes slowly, the expansions came and went. I'm excited for Classic because now I can actually play the old game with my new mindset. I played in Vanilla, but I didn't experience the real game. I only made it to max level in Wrath, and got a second and third one in cata.
so yes I'm going home. and I'm going to set things right. (Also I'm rolling horde. mostly unimportant, I just wanted to mention.)

Wow that's a great point user, I think ill go play Final Fantasy XIV™ instead. Of course I won't forget to purchase Shadowbringers™, the latest expansion with an epic storyline and lovable characters.

What is the vee server?

>a racist, etc
Literally nobody gave a shit about this, imagine thinking the internet in 2005 was the same as the internet in 2019. Nobody gives two fucks about sjw faggotry.
And nobody cares about streamers or whatever retard blacklists they make up either, jesus christ how can anyone be this dumb.

/pol/ is literally non-whites larping as white supremacists because they haven't graduated high school yet, as well as a smattering of actual white supremacists who think they're in good company

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It actually is. You know this because you have a similar taste to most people on this board. Take for example Fallout New Vegas and the STALKER series. Most people haven't even played them, yet everybody on Yea Forums knows how to spot an unpolished diamond like those games.

>artificial fun

>in a guild with irl bros
>all of them are at least officers except me
It only hurts a little.

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Honestly, there's nothing stopping them from just making an LFG outside of the game.
it's kind of like toonhq.org for those who play toontown rewritten.

lmao this is the most limp-wristed and milquetoast post i've read all year

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>ah yes only Yea Forums knows about obscure gems like fallout and stalker

so call them out on it. i'd call my friends out on it, make me an officer you fags the fuck you playing at

Why on earth aren't you playing XIV?

On a real discussion forum people tend to write sentences about how they agree or disagree. Here people just flood posts with nigger tier buzzwords like based, cringe, cope etc. There’s no such thing as discussion here

>It’s just like Disney remakes.
This. This is the perfect analogy of what classic wow is. And you're all a bunch of suckers for eating this shit up.

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Wotlk Ret casually Soloing 5 players in a bg

Go play on your soon-to-be-dead private server while you still can, third world shitcunt.

>playing a WoW copy
You just never learn. Just because WoW is shit does not mean that a copy of it is any better.

MMOs in general are for losers with no brain activity.

Dear god, could you sound any more condescendingly like a newfag? If you were old enough to play or lurk when this content was relevant, you'd remember the threads and guilds that were created without such third party addons or resources (before /vg/ was even a thing). The main things that changed were the LFG tools becoming more and more prevalent and dumb poltard behavior spreading like a disease. There never was such a severe problem to begin with back then, so stop acting like it was when you clearly were never there.

On another note, why on Earth would you ever want to associate with people who ride streamer dick 24/7? Let alone actually want to have their approval. They can't think for themselves, so they're just a surrogate husk of the streamer by extension.

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fuck off

>thinks he can redefine established phrases

classic will be my first time playing vanilla

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you are right, but the sheep remain ignorant, blinded. I've played WoW for 14.5 years and I can safely guaranteed, it has completely ruined and destroyed any chance of a life I had at all.
Once they realize 10+ years of their lives has just vanished away in front of a computer screen, and they have wasted all that time, it will hit them harder than anything they've ever known.

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Classic WoW is not Vanilla.

Redpill me on vanilla

This never happened, all I remember from vanilla was people being mostly friendly with each other. There were no 'normies' playing either relative to most of the player base.

The only time things went south was guild drama over loot or that one girl in the guild all the guild leaders thirsted over.

you know what i meant faggot

In a Disney remake, they decide to take a beloved animated classic and then think it can be improved by dumping recent ideas on it whether they work or not. Had they tried re-creating WoW 1.12 but with the 'QoL', newer class designs, the higher-poly models as default, putting more 'Simon Says' into bosses etc, then I would understand the comparison with Disney remakes. I'm not happy with the few things they have changed for purely non-technical reasons, but it's mostly faithful in a way no live-action Disney remake seems to be.

learn to take breaks

When I said "fun is a buzzword" years ago user, I was too woke. Anything can be artificially produced to simulate reactions from the brain. Why do you think the CIA spend billions into that shit? In fact, they already have won our minds. Our souls are the next stage.

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>when people realize they've been having fun in their spare time for 14.5yrs, the consequences will never be the same

hahaha what a shitpost

Two of my raid guilds went tits-up during vanilla. One from loot drama, the other from loot drama brought upon by a girl. That's the last time I raided with people under the age of 25. I found a bunch of like-minded boomers and we raided drama-free until WoD.

>current movies lame
Do you even watch movies? You know people like Gaspar Noé, yorgo lanthimos, Terrence malick,
Jim jarmush and all other great filmmakers that we cant even name they all are still alive and active, right?

Don't think I would've had more fun doing anything else tqbh.

it won't be fun when it hits you user.

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based

maybe Yea Forums should add some fake simulated fun so i dont regret every second i spend on this shithole

You and OP have got Classic and Retail confused. The problems where WoW started implementing designs that condition a player into thinking they were enjoying it start and end with raiding.

it happens like once a month, and you'll probably be asleep when it happens

i have a great career, friends, and I play a game occasionally, oh fuck I think it's hitting me now, the feeling of wow it's fucking nothing

go back to plebbit you fucking nigger, your kind ruined wow

you said it yourself its from TBC fucking nigger fuck TBC and fuck you too

I mean if you didn't try to travel and have sex AT ALL in between then yeah you should regret that.

Your life is shit because you're a fuck-up, not because you spent a decade and a half playing a video game.

nice reddit subhuman post

The tranny shit post discords care

The only time I was able to play WoW consistently for more than a month before dropping it was when I first played it in TBC. I don't know what kind of autism you have to play for 15 years straight but it sounds severe enough that you would do the same thing with literally any other activity.

When I shut down my computer, or when this thread eventually reaches page 11, nothing matters anymore. Thanks for the easy (You)s though.

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Will zoomers drop it after a week?

My post was just referencing an old phrase Yea Forums used to use to shit on games because his stupid ass post reminded me of it. "It's not fun, it's nu-fun".

>You are not going home.
>You're not having fun, you're simply feeling the illusion of fun, in a similar way to a drug addict getting his fix. WoW destroyed your dopamine system, it completely fried your input/output reward system. Your 14 - 16 year old brain got damaged irreversiably by WoW and now you will always be addicted, or have the proclotivity to be addicted, just like a recovering alcoholic. Once you get that hit, the realisation that you're wasting your life will dawn on you again, until you quit playing until the itch grows again and you take the next hit from the crack pipe.

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>implying nu-fun games don't exist
See Overwatch and assfaggot genre games

The point is that no one is seeing these shitty remakes because of objective quality, it’s for the nostalgic thrill that people are addicted to. Everyone wants to live in the past. That you criticize the films for not being EVEN MORE like the originals speaks to this.

After the first day when they realise 90% of the first 30 levels is collecting animal hides that don't drop every time.

>There are people playing everquest 1999 right now and having fun
>He thinks classic wont be the same
Delusional retard
Exfoliate incel

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>the same ol' "blame video games for my personal problems" mentality

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they'll just watch asmon

That's Basedfun, not nu-fun.

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>I was only doing it for the (you)s
>smuganimeface.webm

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home....

It's a legitimate slippery slope. People keep telling you "if you don't like it don't use it" until eventually we get to where the game is now with Retail.

15 years wasting my life and playing wow > 15 years being a wagie

>yfw we're going home and there's going to be a bunch of newfags and redditors who come here solely to shit on games crying about it here whilst we're enjoying being HOME

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That's actually fine. This way the idiots will play and seek the other idiots.

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Not gonna lie I'm hype

user, your pic actually makes me right

Exactly, it puts all the morons in containment groups away from everyone else

Overwatch is the last panel because every update is pushing some sexual agenda to appease estrogenic peoples.

yeah bro haha if you dont like it dont use it, when the gear score and achievement addons come out also dont like it dont use it, when they keep adding shit that just turns it into bfa 2.0 then if you dont like it dont play it

This. The dropoff after the first week will be ridiculous once they find the game doesn't cater to their every whim for endorphin injections every 30 seconds. Then the endless hordes of "I don't get it" and "why is this a thing?" threads will appear on every relevant forum. The worst part is that they won't be pretending to be retarded

okay

In development since 2000. Advertised on the CD for Warcraft 3 in 2002, which is an unexpected massive success. The Frozen Throne expansion CD features another trailer, this time with gameplay. Mark Kern and other old-Blizzard talent are primarily responsible for delivering it in 2004. Up to this point, Kern was the project lead and is responsible for 90% of the game as it was on release. The elements of the game concerning the end-game were in the hands of Rob Pardo, Jeff Kaplan and Tom Chilton, all former guidmates who played Everquest as a hardcore raiding guild notorious for 'bottling' their urine during marathon play sessions so they could raid uninterrupted. Kern had reservations about this. No one could find a single game development credit for Jeff Kaplan anywhere, but he would be given the project lead title in 2006 and hold onto it until 2010 before moving to work on Project Titan, the botch-job that later got salvaged and became Overwatch. No one knows what actually happened, but Kern left and mentions of his involvement in WoW are purged from everywhere. He had left the new game directors with plenty of hooks to build on and attach new activities and improve the game. They chose to spend all the resources on making more raid content almost exclusively, something which as Everquest players they had trolled hard to make happen, despite very few players ever wanting to do raids. When Kaplan was given the project leadership of the first expansion, he designed core mechanics of the game for optimal performance in raids as he would have liked to have designed them. This continued with every expansion. Classic WoW represents a version of WoW before that, when it was 90% Kern's game, before it was World of Raidcraft.

I think people are underestimating how big of a success Classic WOW will be. Classic WOW definitely evokves a strong feeling of nostalgia in hardcore and casual gamers alike, but I think this is because classic WOW was released at the peak of the 2008 bubble and most gamers at the time were teenagers that didn't have financial responsibilities.That being said, Classic WOW does have a number of game mechanics and world designs that were incredibly fun and I don't think any game has managed to recreate those aspects to the same degree that vanilla WOW had.

I worry that Blizzard is only following Classic WOW because of their parent company's financial issues. ATVI, the parent company of blizzard, is suffering a decline in quarter revenue and their mobile user engagement, which is now most of their user engagement, is also declining.

Blizzard would be completely based if they banned all addons next

/tg/'s lore thread is back up

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Everything about this post is amazing, 10/10 bait.

Is this sourced or did you type this? That was very informative

Vanilla UI is trash though

>You are not going home.
>You're not having fun, you're simply feeling the illusion of fun, in a similar way to a drug addict getting his fix. WoW destroyed your dopamine system, it completely fried your input/output reward system. Your 14 - 16 year old brain got damaged irreversiably by WoW and now you will always be addicted, or have the proclotivity to be addicted, just like a recovering alcoholic. Once you get that hit, the realisation that you're wasting your life will dawn on you again, until you quit playing until the itch grows again and you take the next hit from the crack pipe.

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it isn't though

How do you know all this? Imagine if you were autistic like this about things in life that actually mattered and not vidya trivia. You'd be balling.

If you use wojak reaction images you will play on Herod or Grobbulus
If you use superior smug anime girl reaction images you will play on Whitemane (Alliance)

remember....

Warcraft lore has always sucked. It's the poor mans dungeons and dragons.

>7 year veteran
that has to be bait but i forgive you because it's fucking funny

a literal pandababby

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I haven't played the game for years, I know LFG has stopped anyone talking to one another for dungeons, but do people still shoot the shit in general tabs and trade? Or does no one bother talking to each other at all?

You mean iconic

Wow did questing and faction grinding right. It's competitors added the "fate/rift" events which wow was pretty slow on introducing which spice up the world. Wows biggest downfall is people in the capital hub 95% of the time.

I'm OP. Surprised this thread is still up. I don't play Wow or ff14, nor am I a tranny or had any desire to be one. What now?

I am gonna rape your fucking female toons in Whitemane

Thank the Lord I don't have to play with Americans.

D&D is also shit. It's all derivative nonsense.

>It's the poor mans warhammer
Fixed.

Redditjak posters are all newfags anyway.

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What were annoying staples of American servers by the way, on Euro servers I remember East Europeans always fucking around.

While they are jerking it in loot council's, dps autism harder

It's the poor man's d&d and warhammer, which are a poor mans fantasy.

>NOOOOO HOW ELSE WILL I PLAY WITHOUT DBM AND MY QUESTING MODS

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Meanwhile us non-redditors and non-trannies will be playing chad servers like Zandalari

Blaumeux or bigglesworth
Fairbanks if you want a cross faction mafia controlling all the high level resources

Literally me

you actually think i read your post before responding? lol

What are they going to do about questing addons though, those are much worse than any LFG addon

[2. Trade] [Zoomzoom]: WTB invite to asmon layer 5g

>selling portals in vanilla for 2g
>guy offers 1g
>raise it to 2.5g
>he cusses me out
>pays me anyway
>mfw

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[2. Trade] [Theniggler]: selling invite to asmon layer 15g

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>Theniggler
technically not racist

Heroin: Classic. Home.

2 days and 2 hours until we all go home, fellas.
Any final preparations?

Cleaned the apartment, dicked the girlfriend a few times in advance. Should be good for 4-5 days.

Gotta run to the store to get some tendies and dew. Makes me feel at home.

Sharpen your libido and start jacking off when you kill a female toon

Got your piss bottles?

Make sure you ordered a pocketpussy that can be warmed up

you're a faggot who ruins videogames and any community you're a part of
fuck off

why no like LFG????
literally make life easier
who wants to wait around to play a game lmao

Except the formula already work for older MMO and youre just a fucking sheep trying to fit in. I suggest drinking bleach.

H O M E

I can't wait to run my favorite dungeon Karazhan again.

>only time i played WoW is when i was super young
>barely have memories of it, but didnt play it for long and had no idea what was going on
>older brother was super into it, watched him play
>hear about WoW classic coming up again
>see Yea Forums keep saying "its coming home" threads
>seems like people are getting hyped
>might be able to experience WoW classic but this time with a fully developed slightly less autism brain and create that feeling all based nostalgia fags claim they have
>watch video about WoW Classic basically a quick rundown
>have to pay for monthly blizzard subscription
And just like that, dropped

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I am brimming with Autism. Class-design under Kern was developed for a broad range of stuff, because players were doing a broad range of things until they reached the raids. Almost every unit feature in Warcraft 3 was a candidate for becoming a class in WoW, with some tweaks and compromises needed. Troll Witch-Doctors got merged into Shaman and Priests, Necromancers into Warlocks and this was decided in 2002, so there was at least two years of work on the class-design before the first closed beta started. Talent trees were designed for players as they level to improve the things they enjoyed and used the most, which could be determined by themselves, whether playing solo or with others and what classes those others were. The idea of there being specs for singular tasks like tanking and healing only comes from other MMOs of the time, namely Everquest. Changing how you customised was meant to be rare and not-easy, with the cost of doing so rapidly escalating; so if you wanted to do everything, you specced for how you wanted to do it, whether it was quests, dungeons or PvP, solo or grouped. There was no optimal spec, except the one for you. This posed a problem for Kaplan of course and explains why the raids in 2004-2006 were so simplistic, especially Molten Core. He couldn't design the raids as he wanted to but had to accomodate classes designed for lots of other things. As soon as he was able to with The Burning Crusade, he started designing everything arounds raids, which meant there had to be separate PvP specs and gear too, with PvP-specific stats like Resilliance eventually. Classes no longer got shoe-horned such that Druid = Healer but could be viable tanks and damage, but now they were being definitively shoe-horned into either tank-healer-damage for almost all content and not just raids. That would enable non-raid content to be used to train players to be raiders.

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>under kern
He was a glorified producer.

>mfw reading legit autism instead of dumb, retarded autism
Do you suppose if Kern had more of his way, there'd be loads more overworld content for base classes and/or subclasses?

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Producer/project lead, yes. Glorified? That would require Blizzard to acknowledge he existed.

half agree with this

*team lead
He was basically a manager.

>thinks retards using terms incorrectly means they are "established" by them

>people who get addicted to wow or whatever probably wouldn't have achieved anything worthwhile anyway

Imagine being this autistic

>You are not going home.
>You're not having fun, you're simply feeling the illusion of fun, in a similar way to a drug addict getting his fix. WoW destroyed your dopamine system, it completely fried your input/output reward system. Your 14 - 16 year old brain got damaged irreversiably by WoW and now you will always be addicted, or have the proclotivity to be addicted, just like a recovering alcoholic. Once you get that hit, the realisation that you're wasting your life will dawn on you again, until you quit playing until the itch grows again and you take the next hit from the crack pipe.

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>Edgy post
>Anime image
into the trash it goes

i remember the wrath patch during bc fucking actually 1 shotting kids as ret take me fucking back bros take me fucking back

Stay mad

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YOU SEE THAT FAGGOTS

YOU CAN'T GO EVERYWHERE RIGHT OFF THE BAT

YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR IT CUNTS

WORK

FOR

IT

I do think its hilarious that most classic shills never touched classic and have no clue what they're getting into and are just on the bandwagon, classic wow won't die but it's player base will barely surpass the population of the private servers over the years

WHICH EST PVP SERVER?!?!?
Stalagg, Skeram, Incendius?
It's going live in just two days and I haven't decided yet.

I'm literally going to jump back in once this gets some initial updates. I fucking HATE this new age horseshit. Just give me skill trees and weapon skills. Good God just give me a choice again!

There's a reason most people quit before leaving the starting zone, and it does NOT get better or improve in any way from there. If it doesn't click at the start then it's not your game

Based Duneposter

nostalgiafags on suicide watch

>There are people in this thread that are rolling Rogue and won't be speccing into Sub, the comfiest leveling spec
Zoomers reading """"guides"""" from people who know less about the game than your average soccer mom need to neck themselves

Because wow quests are so in depth and fun if you read the filler dialogue, right?

>mfw my brother is rolling rogue and doing combat daggers

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If need someone to decide for you just go ahead and play on Westfall

cold blood + prep is the most comfy leveling spec senpai

Alt-history is difficult. Even Classic isn't going to be anything like a realistic presentation of how things would have gone if post-release development happened with Kern. For one thing, it's based on version 1.12, which was after the initial class reviews. One most in need of change was Hunters: they were designed around outdooor, world-based stuff and were the favoured class of botting gold-farmers. They were outright the worst for raiding then and there was a disincentive to bring them because: 1) They did physical damage that needed ammo, 2) They used mana for non-physical damage and buffs, 3) The pets didn't carry their own weight under the role system of tanks-healers-DPS. What these add up to is a class that requires almost any gear that drops to upgrade(worse than Paladins wearing Cloth to heal with), runs out of mana quickly, gets aggro easily just from auto-attack. The class needed significant changes to be able to raid and my guess is had Kern been there, it's the raids that would have been changed, not the classes. Gold-farming by bots became even worse after the changes that did happen, because pets got stronger and it took longer for a Hunter to run out of mana. That didn't matter to Kaplan and Pardo though because gold-farming bots didn't raid or bother raiders, only people levelling or crafting.

yeah much better than showing you every quest on the map and have everything turn into go from point a to b

The lfg tool in bc was literally fine lol it was basically just a screen where you'd see names of other people wanting to do the dungeon and you still had to manually message them and invite them and travel to the dungeon, the only step it removes is afking in a major city for hours on end, if that's a problem to you then you without a doubt never played classic and you'll be one of the many who quit within the first month

literal unironic sub 50 iq subhumans who not only never played vanilla but also never even played fucking nost
the worst thing about you retards is that you are so fucking retarded you don't even understand how retarded you are

>illusion of fun
lel whatever man

Deciding whatever happens, save for Chris Metzen's creative choices.

leveling with daggers is nice when you know the backstab trick.

it's also deadly when you get thistle tea and just melt anything until 40 for wpvp

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The butthurt over people having fun is great

front stabbing you mean? That's not in Classic

It hurts my brain how many people mindlessly defend classic and their arguments show they never played it, game is gonna fucking flop when they get their dose

Where my Stalagg niggas at?

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One thing I will miss as an Assassin Rogue is when I got Mutilate in TBC. I never tried Subtlety, to my regret. I was put off by so many PvP-focused Rogues bragging about insanely high crits with one of the Sub talents.

>Nu-Fun
>two examples are games that haven’t even fucking come out yet
Do you actually need to wear a foam helmet on a daily basis or are you “pretending to be retarded?”

we're gonna push that 40% up to 60 by the end of the year.

I don't see anyone 'defending Classic'. How can they when it hasn't even been out and the playtests have been limited?

What we can talk about though is facts and that's what has been happening. There were no Skinner-boxes in WoW, save for raiding, prior to the first expansion. People don't know they're trapped until they see the outside of it, then recognise it as a prison when they go back in.

perfect

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That pic was made back when you were still browsing r*ddit exclusively, champ.

No it fucking wasn’t, what a pathetic fucking excuse to have your poorly constructed Reddit tier image have any sort of semblance of legitimacy, get your life together you niggerfaggot.

Go calm your buttocks and play some of those basedfun games you bought for the newest Nintendo machine.

>You are not going home.

Oh we home

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out of curiosity, I logged into my old retail character, a 74 Shaman, untouched for 8 years
the Northrend region he's in is completely empty. It gave me shudders

Haven’t spent a dime on anything Nintendo related since the Gamecube came out.
It brings me great pain and great pleasure to know the height of your existence is arguing with retards on the internet.

Sug my cock you retarded faggot

Realistically, what's the median temperature in Ironforge? Is it maybe 20 farenheit outside, and like 90+ in there? They have an open forge every 10ft

It brings me great joy to know you will accommodate the very same pointless arguing in response to a bait image I found on google images.

>Every other website
What other websites? I've never been to reddit and forums are dead.

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imagine wearing plate in that fucker? the ball sweat would be insane

Then I hope you’re just as joyful when you get hidden and filtered. Forever.

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I think you're new here. The guy you're arguing with fits Yea Forums aesthetic more. Maybe you should go hang with people more like minded with you?

I'm sure it's hot as fuck. Even with the huge ceilings, the temps would be insane. I would honestly be more concerned with the toxic gasses wafting up and displacing oxygen.

Wait really? Why is that?

imagine being this wrong

It was a bug and they fixed it in one of the classic betas, has to do with where the hit boxes are

You can't filter or hide me here bud, I'm not a tripfag.

Why? Because he said niggerfaggot in a shallow attempt to fit the profile of le racist 4chinz man? Also, I don't want to fit in here like some beta like you. lmao.

I'm gonna check out my old character too, 70 priest, not touched since a few months into TBC. No idea where I left him. Will be fun to see if I kept all my T2 gear.

It's dumb chink server shit, why would it be in?

Probably cause it's called backstab

Oh no, Oh no no no no. That was a soothing build to level with. You don't get to crit as much with other classes like this.

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Me and my friends are gonna have a full 5 team to play Classic together.
I've been thinking on playing Retri Pala.
I KNOW that Retri is fucking garbage, but HOW garbage was it? I'm not going to be playing with randoms, so is it at least a liiiiiiittle viable when we're together doing dungeons and BGs?

Is there a way to tell Blizzard that I'll only pay when they remove layering?

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OP is based as fuck but people who still play mmo nowadays have no hope and this is coming from an ex mmo addict. Thank fuck i quit when i did,i still regret all those years i wasted playing mmos instead of doing something better with my life.

So if I'm leveling paladin, the best course is to keep gear for healing composed of leather/cloth/mail while also keeping a set of plate gear for leveling right? Bag space is gonna be a pain in the ass isn't it

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No, you keep a dress and some lipstick in your bag for when you need to heal. Other than that you can level in plate.

That's true for games in general, they're all worthless timesinks in the end. Movies and books too, you could have studied and actually learned something instead of enjoying yourself.

Just keep one piece of int gear for each slot for healslutting.

It is 'viable', in that it will not instantly wipe your group if you step inside with one, and will have decent utility and added damage when it faces demons/undead which do make up a good amount of endgame 5-mans. You can also take some solace in knowing that Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros is actually a weapon that belongs to you, and Shamans, rather than Warriors who can easily find better even in MC. Be prepared to do your own Sulfuron Hammer grind though, it's not really worth it for guilds to fund.

fuck it, guess I'm going warrior then.

fucking THIS. Seals/Judgmenting seals and the Hands/Blessings were peak Ret.

you don't really need to bother with gear unless you're twinking or nearing level 60.

kys

You asked for the best course nigger, you don't actually need to do this. You can heal in plate, especially using lower spell ranks for efficiency.

Huh, so not THAT trash huh? What about BGs and World PvP?

Loved being a healing Paladin in vanilla. Always healed as much as I could. Good partner for warriors. Fuck, good times.

The more i look at this map, the more i feel that blizzard should had cut gnomeregan and kharanos and moved ironforge a bit more right, and then put Kul Tiras in there, you could fit an entire zone there along with Gilneas.

Bullshit, you never healed.