Can we have a Disgaea thread, Yea Forums?

Can we have a Disgaea thread, Yea Forums?

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Anyone going to get D4 on Switch?
I hope they add 2 and 3 at some point too

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Request denied.

Never a bad time for an Etna thread.
Probably not, I already 100%'d it on the ps4.

Wait, D4 is on the ps4?

Sorry, typo, I meant PS3

Nope, already platted it on Vita and the Switch version looks like a marginally better version of it. Just waiting on D6 if NIS doesn't go under first

Is the first game any good? I have this autism where I must start with 1 if I want to get into this series but it is fairly old and there are reasons for me to not access the new version.

GIVE 4 ON PC ALREADY REEEEE

Yes, it's good. 1 has the best characters and story

>already platted
is gaming really so degenerated now that people can't even come up with their own goals in a game that's designed for it

Disgaea fucking sucks. I was a fool and bought the 5th one on steam during sale, and damn do I regret it. Couldn't even get a refund because the game froze or something, and it went past two hours. Literally the most pointless game in the world with a shit story.

Pretty sure they patched the PC version

No, Disgaea sucks and it just repeats the same shit ad infinitum and is too grindy
Make a thread about an actual good franchise

do ya not like the grindan game?

Maxing out my favorite characters is my own goal, I just like to platinum games that I really end up enjoying. After beating all the content there's not much left for me to do other than challenge runs which I'm not interested in.

I had to edit the ini files to make the opening anime move. I alt + f4 because of the boring gameplay, but steam thought the game was still up so couldn't get a refund. Might as well play the game a bit and look at that, it fucking suck asssssss

Dude, just emulate it. It's not that hard.

>repeats the same shit ad infinitum and is too grindy
If you weren't sold on being able to level up your chewing gum by grinding through its own dungeon with 30-100 levels where you can recruit statisticians to level up the chewing gum's stats while also getting more items to level up in the process this isn't the game for you.

It got a decent port on switch, Disgaea 1 Complete

Didn't they announce a PC/Switch release of the Vita version of D4? I remember people talking about it shortly after all the news about how much financial trouble NIS was in.

I have such mixed opinions on this song. The first 50 seconds are pure kino but holy fuck the vocals.

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Post your favorite generics!

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It eventually grew on me as the base theme, since it's really comfy. I'm still not really a fan of Disgaea's music in general, though. People give Dragon Quest shit for using midis, but at least those sound like they were made on a computer in the last twenty years. Disgaea's music sounds like it was recorded on Little Timmy's Casio keyboard. I'd love to hear what the games sound like when the music is performed with real instruments.

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give me a fucking modern PC if you wish so. My rig is literally 9 years old and I have no videocard. Somehow D5 still runs smoothly here.

>there are reasons for me to not access the new version

Disgaea is unique enough that, for the most part, it only feels dated compared to later games in its own series. In a vacuum, it holds up quite well. That's especially true of the Steam version, since they fixed some bullshit like unskippable skill animations and overall low battle speed. I still have that fucking Winged Slayer animation burned in my brain from grinding Cave of Ordeals.

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I started with Disgaea 2 so I might be biased, but they really got the story progression down with 2 by giving you a cutscene after every battle. Though 1 has the only memorable cast that anyone cares about besides maybe 4 and as far as gameplay goes they are all just 1 with more features.

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I remember that thread. There were like three of us trying to edit her skirt off and then realizing we all forgot parts of it.

Why is she so flat?

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I wonder what the fuck happened to this artist

what does Yea Forums think of prinnies, dood?

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Probably grew up and stopped posting on 4chin like we should have in 2010.

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Why'd such a nice design have to go to a character that I can't fucking stand?

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I appreciate that Disgaea 4 did something new with them, but they haven't been funny since the first game.

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Either that or he straight up died.

I love her

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I want etna's butt on my face

I don't like this boss

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I'm hype as fuck for it. 4 has my favourite cast, music, etc. and the only thing any of the others tops it with is 5 having better unit building IMO, but even then 4 is almost as good in that regard.

On top of that, Desco is legitimately one of my all time favourite characters so I'm just happy to get a reason to see her again, and see people appreciate her and the game as a whole again.

I'm really damn happy we're getting it and I have the LE preordered.

PS4/Switch, no mention of PC in any of the info for it. But yeah it's a port of the Vita version with "minor tweaks". From what I've seen, one of those tweaks is the addition of autosaves, not sure what else there is.

Valkyrie, always.

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>Mikos with bare thighs

Not enough of this. It doesn't help that the Miko tag on the boorus is absolutely flooded with Touhou art, which isn't what I'm looking for.

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oh hi, i upgraded your etna

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Nigger upgrade your toaster.
Even with $50-100 you can get a huge upgrade, post speccy.

I miss Cap-tan and 3 angle blue. I don't know why I even still come here without that level of fun OC coming in.

>that
>upgrade

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>no longer flat
Blasphemy.

I love the amount of costume switch art Harada has provided.

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>Got 5 on PS4 during sale
>Find out I should've waited to get it on PC with more content

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This song makes me sad

At least you have online.

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I have disgaea d2 a brighter dark for ps3 but havent played it yet. was that the one that bricked consoles? ive only played one disgaea game

I haven't played Disgaea since 2 on the PSP, there is 5 for PC and I want to try it, are Mages still hilariously broken?

It was, but it's been patched.

Disgaea is a series that buffs up instead of nerfs. Everything is hilariously broken. Mages require more of an investment than before, but you can still snipe enemies with a 3x3 spell from twenty spaces away if you want. But there's way goofier shit available now, like a class that can protect allies from damage from literally anywhere on the screen, or spells that hit every unit on the map, or Prier's new ability to just take as many turns as she damn well feels like.

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How tight is Etna?

archer bros where are you

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>went into disgaea 5 completely blind having never played another one
>tfw using nothing but nether nobles until the prinny carnage stage

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What "more content"?

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There was a complete edition released

Nekomata was what first convinced me to pick up the franchise.

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Sounds like a wild ride, that's it, I will go for the full waifu party and try to control the Mage because she just fucking nukes everyone before the others can get there.

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And what does it have that the season pass doesnt?

The PC "Complete" edition is actually lacking content from other platforms.

I've had 5 in my backlog forever, maybe it's time

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PSN still sells D5 without the DLC content. I've seen them constantly mark the base game to like five bucks, but keep the season pass at its original price to try and fleece people.

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>their breasts became smaller through evolution
Damn, they must've been shooting arrows since before the invention of arrows.

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alright have fun with the rest of your thread

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So how do they reproduce? they kidnap a guy, rape him and then dump him out the village when they are done?

>Reincarnate a male Warrior into an Archer in D4
>Becomes my headcanon that he's still just a male Warrior pretending to be a girl
>Name him Tucker, because that's what he is and that's what he does
>Disgaea 5 introduces the Gender Bender Evility

It's hard for me to think of Archers as female anymore.

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Of course its gonna sell the base game without dlc they are jewish after all, why would they ever sell the game with the dlc? You CAN buy it bundled however and one of these months it was dirt cheap to get D5 on the ps4 with all the content for like less than 20 bucks

What's the best version of Disgaea 2 to play?

Thinking of just emulating the PSP version.

Shaman are kinda hot, too

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>more clothes
>instead of less
OFF MODEL = DEATH

The PC version is just a port of the PSP port. I think we missed out on some DLC here in the West originally, but I'm not sure if that would be an issue on the pirated ISO. Admittedly I just played the PS2 version when it came out, so I don't know much about the other releases.

Complete Edition on Switch and PC is just the PS4 version and the season pass, content wise.

In fact the PC version is actually missing content as they removed base customization for that one.

This is Tucker in the WebM, by the way.

How do you know that's specifically Tucker?

Because I made the WebM.

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Cool story bro. Sorry to step on your fetish, but reincarnation makes them female in the truest sense of the word.

Yeah, they're pretty cute. I like to imagine her and the male healer as a couple with the healer acting like a doting mommy gf

Always loved those little guys even though by nature they are kinda "non played", you just get them out and enjoy the debuff, same with the cheerleaders.

I always name mine Tomoko

has anyone finished disgaea 3,4 or D2 on RPCS3? it works great here but i fear it could break at some point.

NiS Kart game when?

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Have you bullied an Item God today?

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I want to do things to Etna's neckpussy

I love Rozalin!

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I dream about this every night.

Looks like shit, user. Giving Etna boobs instantly ruins her.

I wish I could buy this fig. Etna in a Prinny car.

I wonder if there'd be some figurines or kits to use to kitbash one together.

Hand over the sardines, dood!

Laharl.

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I knew this was just for perverst game

what a funny prank.

COOKING
BATTLE

1000 YO DEMON CUNT

You'd be better off sculpting one from scratch. There are hardly any Disgaea figures from what I can see, and well, just look at this shit.

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I want to an Etna

The options are a bit limited, yes, but there's also a bunch of garage kits. I have five kits lying around atm

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I forgot about the Monster Hunter one
I have animations turned off

Disgaea peaked on its first game

I had fun playing 5 on the free weekend even though everyone kept saying it sucks, which one should I pick up instead

>Everyone kept saying it sucks

Not sure who told you that. It's mechanically the best in the series. The story and characters aren't great, but it's certainly no worse than D3 or DD2.

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D3 is better than D5

You're still submitting to achievementwhoring.
Could you at least just say you 'finished the game'.

>Are you a boy or a girl?

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D2 is still the best in the series

>Steam screwing someone over again
Don't worry though user, at least you totally still own the game.

I really liked it when it came out, but it doesn't really hold up in my opinion. Adell and Rozalin are infinitely more likable in DLC appearances than they are in their own game, and D2 had mechanics that were way more grindy and annoying than any other games in the series. Felony farming made me wanna claw my goddamn eyes out. And I'm still mad at what that game did to Etna's characterization.

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Miko is soooo sloooow. She’s secretly 800lbs. Probably smells. 5 fucking movement! I’ll stick to my ninja thanks.

By the time you hit post-game everyone should have like 30 Move and 99 Jump just from slapping Barefoot Xs on all their equipment slots, so it's a bit of a moot point.

>not upping a max level BarefootX for each of your female characters

Is there anything wonky I should know about the game before going into 1? I gave it a shot a while ago but wasn't sure when and if I was supposed to be grinding.

Like how many custom units should I be making and should I be using Prinnies or just benching them as soon as possible for customs? Or am I just a brainlet for not being able to figure this out

Prinnies are worthless. Their only purpose in the early games is being cheap cannon fodder (they only cost 1HL to heal at the hospital) and being a bridge between the humanoid and monster classes when Reincarnating. Whether you focus on one or two super-strong characters or make a whole bunch and use pile-on tactics like this is up to you, but the latter will take a lot more time.

Don't bother with Reincarnating until you hit the post-game. The benefits are miniscule if you only have 30-ish levels saved up, and your options for leveling back up are pretty limited.

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>everyone prefers a different game in the series
Does this mean Disgaea is a good series?

its all up to you dude, dont think too much.
if you like the design of a character use him and grind when you cant beat a map or dont want to think too much.

>Not renaming your female character's Trapezohedrons shit like "smelly socks" and "sweaty undershirt"

>The benefits are miniscule
this is untrue, getting all your named to genius asap means doubling a stat at this level. and they have the advantage to only requires 5000 mana, not that much

Yes
DD2 being bad is someone everyone can agreed

Man, I get what they were going for, but some of those gameplay changes were fucking retarded. I really liked the benefits that Affection provided, but why the FUCK does it reset on Reincarnation? Why do you have to remove Evilities from one character to give it to another one? Why in God's name am I riding Gig piggyback instead of using him in his Onyx Blade form? And that's not even getting into what a waste of time the story was. Even D3's was more memorable.

I liked DD2

You don't

DD2 has good mechanics, it's just the story that sucked

>good mechanics
good joke

The only good mechanic was the Cheat Shop. Everything else was executed in the worst way possible. Like how the only way to increase your Aptitudes was complete RNG.

>Finally trying to play through all of 3 for the first time
>right at the part where we just got Raspberyl, but been playing the game really slow still because I'm not enjoying it as much as other games in the series

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At least tell me you're playing the Vita version. The PS3 release was a fucking mess, and the main reason you see such a huge divide between people that hate it and its defenders.

this is why those threads sucks now, little retards who want to fit in meymeys instead of playing games.

prinny beam is such a good move

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Etna is a cute plank.

But i did
The only game i didn't play yet is D1 remake

>Nerfed Curse Storm
Actually the most pussy out move this series has done.

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Rozalin is still the best Disgaea girl.

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I do

>i didn't play
It shows. because you are a fucking tools that prefers meymeys than games. No need to show your saves, it's obvious you are a gamefaq gamer.

okay?

>Not playing a remake that gutted unique classes from the game to replace them with more asset flips means you prefers memes to games
????

void dark was a fuckin retarded siscon who fucked up everything and even he ends up better off than majorita

its not fuckin fair

I thought the staff hate kids?

How is Asagis game?
Is it even safe to start playing with NIS on deaths door or is all my progress just going to go kaputt when the game shuts down in a few months?

It's a gacha

Sadly D5 wont run on my system and I'll have to wait till I get a new rig.

correct

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disgaea clearly needs some hair down etna

a rare and precious thing

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Just upgrade your toaster?

Beautiful

Is this series not popular anymore? It used to have a fairly sizable fanbase in the mid to late 2000s. These days I barely hear anything about it.

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Yeah, I always fucking forget to ask for her hair down when I commission her. I'm actually commissioning one with her hair down now, though, it's looking great.

I mean, since Disgaea 4 we've gotten.
>2 spinoff psp games
>2 vita remakes
>the DS spinoff NOBODY talks about
>DD2 which was bad
>D5 which wasn't that good.
>Mobile gacha trash
>A pretty bad D1 remake.
We're in a dark age of the series rn.

I meet all the specs but as far as I can tell there is something with my OS(w7 64b). Game just crashes on startup. I spent a night trying to install and reinstall the suggested updates but found no working solution.

>Infinite was on the PSP and not DS
Well fuck. slightly off.

That's some kawaii shit my brother.

The last new game in the series came out over four years ago. It was already a niche series to begin with, but you can't expect people to be as enthusiastic now as they were when NIS was releasing a new game every year.

I actually enjoyed Infinite a lot, it had a ton of lore in it.
And I love the prinny games.

Works in my w7 toaster.

also, most of the devs quit and NIS is in serious financial trouble

hopefully they get bought by a company that will nurture the Disgaeaverse as opposed to letting it languish in mediocrity

Prinny 1 was amazing and the right amount of bullshit.
Prinny 2 was still good but had some notable issues in its changes.
I don't think I've ever seen infinite come up.
It hurts because I'm the timeline fag and want full knowledge of this series

No wonder they've been going hard on "side games" like Hundred Night, Liar Princess, or Refrain. Don't have a real Disgaea Team.

Did you not play Infinite then? You should, there's like 14 different endings, and they all somewhat explain how some of the games tie together, or how some of the cameos in some games happened.
It's actually pretty fun, lots of fun interactions, and with you possessing people as a Prinny, you can make them do stupid shit. At one point you have Gordon doing the "Yaranaika?" thing to Mao.

As for Prinny 1, I loved it, but god fucking damn that final boss, 90 minutes of continuous button mashing, my forearms were killing me.
Prinny 2 was lovely, maybe I'm biased because there was heavy focus on Etna's panties, and I actually own a pair of those. But being Able to see Asagi in there a lot was fun too, and being able to play Prinny Asagi.

See, Sir Sweet form 2 is kind of bullshit. But it's the best kind of bullshit. It's a 100% pattern based boss. No RNG. The only "deviance" is the splitting meteors which are based on where you stand.
Junkie Etna was a step down as a final boss, a lot of stages just felt weaker too. Prinny Laharl and Asagi were really fun things to mess with. Asagi's final boss was kinda ehn but a step up from fighting Asagi like 5 times over.
I just need a way to play Infinite since my psp's dead and I don't think emulators for it are that good yet? I might be horribly wrong ont hat.

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Who is best girl and why is it Pleinair?

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I liked DD2's mounting and books.
DD2's cast however was fucking lackluster though, why couldn't you have Hanako, Aramis or even the defenders of Earth?
Why make it a brother/sister story?
Etna's characterization?
Etna in 1 was a bad bitch but with a soft side because of Laharl's dad.
Etna in 2 was an even badder bitch because she was there to bully the fuck out of Veldime's Overlord and it got worse thanks to Laharl shitting the bed.
I don't see anything wrong with it.
However Disgaea 2's manga goes deeper into her soft side in 2 and features a better Laharl.
You should give it a read.

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i want
a prinny wife

There's good PSP emulators, and Infinite is a visual novel, so it's not like gameplay would hold you down.
And I agree, Sir Sweet form 2 was no RNG, but... so much fucking mashing, and you had to do a LOT of mashing, when I finally killed him I had 3 seconds left on the timer.
Being a massive Etnafag, I absolutely loved the final boss of Prinny 2.

play ZHP

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I got the prinny games while in highschool. Playing them revealed my real power level amongst my friends. I became the dude people brought their button mashing needs for.

i already did

*dodges your heals*

Heh, nothing personal kid.

Heh, I never did talk about games like these too much at school, though I had a friend over when I was trying to beat Prinny 1, he wondered why the fuck i put myself through that.
Shit, I forgot about that.

I did the real dumb shit of supporting the PSP up on my right leg in order to be able to mash with my index finger. Gotta mash optimally, bro.

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Does anyone actually complete a disgaea? I got 4 on ps3, didn't touch it cause the save got corrupted. Now I have it for switch (d1), It's so long it feels like the only disgaea you'll ever need cause you'll never complete it

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Hey M.Knightfag

What's a plip?

It depends on your threshold of "complete."
There's a lot of "gates" you can consider.
The main 4 are Main Story, Post-Story, Baal, Baal rematch.

it's like a dood, only yellow

It's like a pyon, only plip

Hello user.

cute cute cUTE CUTE CUTE

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BRING MY BOY BACK

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It's a pyon for deaf people, pyon

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My wife has lovely abs!

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>Make Fuuka a played-straight violent delinquent who found herself in the netherworld
>Builds up a gang of prinnies, or people who just abuse/oppress prinnies with ruthlessness
>Flagrant fangirl of some vicious werewolf who used to be in charge of a gang of his own, aims to use her brutality to bring him about
>Fast-forward to the story, she gets beaten up, finds out that Fenrich was exactly THAT werewolf and tries to impress him regularly with displays of destruction and chaos, where he regularly has to remind her that he's a loyal vassal to his lord, Valvatorez, and her destructive personality can only be directed at their enemies (who rapidly dwindle in number)
>Fast even further forward and we have Desco, who has found herself enraptured by Valvatorez's power, and attaches herself to him in the hopes that he'll teach her the secrets to being an unbeatable Final Boss
>All future scenes involve Fuuka bullying, threatening, or outright attacking anybody who seems to be showing any sense of distaste towards Fenrich or Valvatorez, regularly arguing with Desco over who should truly rule their company, and the two of them trading blows commonly, as they are both on a quest for power
>Can still keep them together in concept art
>Can still keep the retarded "Muh dream" schtick (just focus it more towards it being a dream come true)
>The story literally doesn't shift an inch

ALL OF THE PIECES WERE THERE AND THEY STILL FUCKED IT UP

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Prinny 2 felt like it was made from the ground up to fuck with you. introducing breakable platforms is a cheap way to kill you, doubly so if you built up your gauge and see your prinny shit out that lightning, only to fall to your death. Enemy placements were more overwhelming and not in a fun way either. 1 was tough but fair while 2 felt like the devs were trying to make it hard for all the wrong reasons.

I wanna curry that bun.

Not sure I like that implication.

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Is Phantom Brave any good? I played Soul Nomad and loved it.

I beat Disgaea 1 on the DS a few times over, but haven't cleared 2 or 5, the only other ones I've played

>try to emulate D4
>emulator freezes whenever i try to start a battle
Does anyone know whats causing this?

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She loves the curry though.

They're demons....

Ehhhh.

Eh.

The janky-ass non-grid system is really fucking janky. And it's incredibly unbalanced.

Yeah I grew pretty sick of trying to do the "5 stage streak on Hell's Finest" award and just bought the max cost Etna special to nuke the boss instead of trying to learn it because doing the stages were just too bullshit.

The gameplay's a bit wonky, but the story's one of NIS' best. You would have gotten more out of one of the characters' story in Soul Nomad if you had played Phantom Brave first, but it might work in reverse.

SPU Decoder>ASMJIT Recompiler

hey thanks, that saved me who knows how long fucking with every setting

Quick Disgaea 4 question.
I finished Ch 6 the other day and in the preview they said the next chapter would be the final one, but it doesn't really feel like it's about to end. Are there 7 chapters in total or something like 10?

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I'm pretty sure that they say every chapter's the last one after a certain point as a running gag. I don't remember off-hand how many there are, but it's one of the longer story campaigns in the series.

They say that like 5 times in a row because the game keeps throwing out something that extends the story.

I want to throw that prinny!

They're only allowed to be debuff bots I guess

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Would I become cursed if I licked her tummy

Super duper cursed. Everyone knows dark power is stored in the tummy.

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Worth it

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That was the point of the gender bender evility, it's an ability that switches their 'gender' and how gender affects them in battle.

It's pretty respectable, the length that that user is going to for his Headcnanon.

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Cool, thanks guys.

"Prince, if you say anything like that again, I WILL STAB YOU. Got it~?"
As mediocre as DD2 was, the big 3 at least still got good character interaction.

Is anyone here familiar with the Disgaea manga? I heard the first one is shit, but I've been reading the second one and it's a great time. The art captures the characters well and makes them really expressive for the comedic moments. Unfortunately, it's 4 volumes and the last 2 volumes were never translated, officially or by fans.

As I was writing this I found out you posted the same screenshot I was going to. Good taste

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I guess Soul Nomad is one-of-a-kind. I'll check it out anyway. Thanks anons.

God yes. Anything to save my favorite game series.

I wanna overlord that girlboy.

>tfw no disgaea 3 with the modern era sprites remake on pc
Feels bad man

I had volumes one and two years ago along with the art books but lost them.

If these complete versions sell well enough then its possible to see 3 with those sprites.

Much as I like Disgaea, I wish they'd put their otger stuff on Switch instead. Makai Kingdom, GrimGrimorie, and Soul Nomad would be great to have available at home or on the go.

youtube.com/watch?v=lKY1rb3hc3A
full version best version

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youtube.com/watch?v=w9ZpK8KPi6E
D3's base theme will still always be the best because of how obnoxiously it starts makes you feel like you're big dick on campus kicking the door open into the room.

I want to see Flonne teach love to Etna!

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I had a download of the third and fourth volumes somewhere, but yes, i don't recall they were ever translated.
I can read japanese though, so it wasn't an issue for me.
Manga for the second game was great, Hekaton did a great job at drawing it

Me on the left.

>wow wow wow

>wow wow wow

at least we got Labyrinth on Switch
I probably never would've played it on PC

Me on the right.

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i bought d5 on my switch and i still havent beat it or barely touched it got like 2 hours into it and the dialogue was too cringe is 1 any better?

1 is generally agreed to have the best writing in the series.

My favorite of the Majin equivalents. It's a shame they were severely outclassed by other units and didn't end up returning.

Play Labyrinth of Refrain instead, it's on a free weekend right now on Steam.

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I'm in fucking love for Disgaea 5

It took a while but after 10 hours the systems are finally clicking

really wish i wouldve gotten it while it was on sale then bummer

DARK ENGIE NEVER EVER AGAIN, I miss my dark turret cheesing out early stacked enemies for EXP

You already posted her.

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Neat, thanks for the tip. Been curious about it.

Fuck i bought it full price like 2 weeks ago

It is pretty weird that we got one unit that could create sentries in the first game, then nothing of the sort ever again. The only methods of area denial from that point came from Geo Panels, which are always against you, and a rather useless Evility that mimics a tiny Zone of Contact from other SRPGs. Disgaea is like the SRPG equivalent of anime fighting games with no neutral game.

I really hope Dronya and Liar Princess are in Disgaea 6s cameos, alongside Metallia of course.

Those three and Desco are seriously among my favourite characters ever, they're on a fucking roll with these things.

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The bad thing about the Refrain sequel/Labyrinth of Galleria is that you just know the new characters won't be nearly as great as Dronya/Luca.

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>Her

Sentries where shit because after the turn it's used it's going to attack everyone. The only reason I think they got in the 1st one was for farming strategies before nekomata stacking strat was a thing.

You never know. My first impression of Dronya was that she was a poor man's Metallia, but she surprised me. Labyrinth of Refrain surprised me an awful lot, actually, and I'm sure Galleria could do the same (assuming NIS doesn't go under first).

The same was the case with Hundred Knight 2. The cast, but especially Metallia, was so god damn amazing. HK2s cast wasn't bad IMO, Chelka was a lot of fun, but Metallia's story was a real fuckin' ride.

That said, I'll always love how having played the original, then Revival, the last bit of new dialogue in Hundred Knight Revival was essentially Metallia saying pic related.

Feels good, they really got what made her special.

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I eventually changed it to Laharl's theme or D1's menu theme and I was a happy man, those vocals later on that song always gave me a headache, thank god they let you change it.

Finished it a long time ago, the game was way better than I expected.
Also, Luka best girl.

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Are the hundred knight games good? The only NIS games I've played are Labyrinth of Refrain, Disgaea 5, and Disgaea 1 remake which I all really enjoyed.

I must really suck ass at these games and I can't micromanage for shit. I only leveled up Etna, made her OP as fuck and cleared the game with just her.

I'm definitely in the "it felt weird at first but it grew on me" thing. It's a bit in your face at first but it becomes very homely and I loved hearing it build up every time I went back.

youtube.com/watch?v=OPkgrh8dm7U is still the best though.

OOOOOOOOH, MY LORD
GLOOOOOOOOORY NIIIIGHT

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A design so great it showed up in Refrain.

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Eh, I don't think it's that hard to surpass Dronya. More so, the sequel will probably have better music, hearing those bells when grinding for the 90th time will drive any man mad.

What do you guys think of Captain Gordon, Jennifer, and Thursday?

>Disgaea 4 is really well talked
>it's the Disgaea I want to be play the most
>hardest one to play if you don't have a ps3
Why must life be so full of suffering

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Not really, you just need colossal patience to prepare a grinding team so you can maximize your stat gains

They're great, even if I didn't really use them

I use Sabit and Visual Sensation for my hub music. Those tracks are so damn good.

Decent characters and only hated by zoomers that didn't grew up knowing those types of characters

It's getting a Switch/PS4 re-release with all the Vita content in October, so if you can wait for a bit, that should be the version to get.

Bless be Nippon Ichi.

I liked them, but it's kinda annoying that they completely hijack the plot of the game for most of the second half. And it's a real shame they never came back, with their absence from DD2 being an even bigger black mark on an already flawed game.

I don't know if you've played Disgaea Infinity, but they're very prominent in that visual novel game

Hundred Knight is a Diablo-like, a top down ARPG with random loot. The gameplay is not its strongest area, honestly. It's servicable but very repetitive. Opens up a little later as you unlock Tochka (spells, basically) though. That said I did enjoy some of the boss fights a fair bit.

The real strength of the game comes from its characters, story and music. It's a more fairy tale inspired setting, and a bit darker in tone than the likes of Disgaea, so Labyrinth of Refrain is a fairly good comparison in tone. You play as the Hundred Knight, the familiar of an extremely sadistic and selfish witch named Metallia, and are tasked with spreading her swamp around the world. Shit gets pretty wild.

I think if you really liked the story in LoR and the Disgaea games then it's definitely worth checking. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for its gameplay, but I don't think it's AWFUL in that regard either.

For the record, avoid the PS3 version as it the western release of it has a crashing issue. The PS4 version of the game doesn't, and also adds weapon line switching which makes the gameplay a bit less tedious and Tower of Illusion, an additional side story and essentially the games Item World equivalent.

As for 2, personally I think it's cool, but ultimately a downgrade. The cast isn't as strong and while the combat is improved, the overworld gets a HUGE downgrade (the original had hand crafted individual levels that were fun to explore, while 2 drops the level format in favour of a connected maze-like overworld but its extremely heavy reuse of environment assets makes it very boring to travel through).

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>And it's a real shame they never came back
Never played 2's extra missions or 3's raspberyl mode did you?

God there is one thing I will never not be mad about with D4R/Vita.
>Let alone was getting Stella/Rutile actually bugged at launch
>Rutile lost her gun proficiency despite her ridiculous growth in both stats.

I only played the PS2 version of Disgaea 2, so no Extra Missions for me. I did play Raspberyl Mode, but I don't remember them showing up in that (or much of it all as a matter of fact, other than hinting Flonne had become an Archangel by that point). It wasn't just a Prinny Kurtis cameo, was it?

Did Disgaea 4 even have weapon proficiencies? I remember characters would learn weapon skills from the Evility Shop and have access to specific ones based on class, but you could transfer them over via the Chara World. Or am I remembering wrong?

Raspberyl's mode had 3 chapters. The third was her going to celestia to get an angel's advice on how to motivate Mao, which she passes Fallen Angel Flonne going to see Lamington. This is important for two reasons. One, in that chapter you see what truly happened to Vulcanus; like Flonne being turned into a flower in one of D1's endings, he was reincarnated into an Alarune. The second, is that this is her trip IN DD2 to get the ability to become Pure Flonne.
But, the second chapter was literally the Trio of Space Nuts getting lost in Mao's netherworld and Raspberyl having to save them, repeatedly.

No, that's right. But it's irksome that she HAD it in 3R/V and it was locked behind postgame, effectively, to do the method to force it back into her.

Damn, I don't remember ANY of that. I'm realizing that I have some kind of weird mental block when it comes to Disgaea 3. Almost everything I remember about it, I realize was actually from Disgaea 4. Except for those fucking Orcs with the Cheech Marin accent. I'm pretty sure that wasn't in D4.

I'm just glad we get D4 Desco back. D5 Desco wasn't nearly as fun. No Escape was a cool idea and Final Boss Glare definitely fits her, but come on, removing Three Transformations is practically a sin.

Final Boss Setting + Three Transformations is what makes her one of my favourite units mechanically in any TRPG.

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Those orcs were 3. Those were the biggest goons of the first-year class.
But all 3 of the EDF were monster-type units in D3, without a lot of explanation other than that they may be copies and not the originals. Gordon changed into a beam sword like a goofy ass scifi sword and Jennifer just became a giant mecha fist. Thursday was just a Megabuster.

Three Transformations would have fit her much better in the games after D4 too, since the damage formula in D4 made it such a one-hit-KO fest that any effect triggering via loss of HP was effectively worthless in the post-game. I did hear that the Vita version uses the damage calculations from DD2 though, so Tank Desco could be more effective.

>that Etna boss in Prinny 2

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>NIS is dead so D6 never ever

Etna has opened up so many fetishes for me.

Female Samurai best girl

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Not yet. Maybe D4C can save them.

Absolutely disgusting. How dare they not invite Laharl

>Trinity Universe sequel never ever

Who the fuck doesn't own 4 by now though. Did they even add anything to it?

>gave us Liar Princess
>we're getting a Refrain sequel and a D4 rerelease
Honestly, "dead" or whatever, the only thing I could want beyond these is D6 being confirmed. I'm very happy with how their releases have been and seem to be going forward.

Personally I think Magic Knight is the best.

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>Pink personality is the best
>Thought her Mother and Father lines were a bit odd but whatever
>Recently learned that's short for mother fucker
She's actually flawless

I can never use them, I try, use 'em a handful of times, and then they rot away

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It appears to just be the Vita version of the game (which was better) and maybe a couple bells and whistles.

I think a lot of people skipped the Vita version, since the system was already dead by the time it finally came out, so the new content will be nice to see. Plus, as someone pointed out earlier in the thread, it's the hardest one to get a hold of if you don't have a PS3, so newcomers to the series that got into it with D5 on the Switch and D1C will have a chance to play it. As someone who already played in on PS3, I probably won't touch it since this fall is really crowded with games I'd rather play. But it's nice that it's there for the crowd that wants it.

Why isn't Laharl a little girl?

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Because shotas are the peak male form, so they went with the peak female form.

For some reason i hate Laharl, i just cant tolerate him.

Anybody into disgaea probably likes other jrpgs and the vita was an unarguably good platform for them despite shitposting.

This is your new wife, unfortunately she has nothing between her legs. Neither hole or bulge.

Enjoy.

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You got to make use of her elemental boosting evilities to get the most out of her. Get her resistances to 99 and she becomes a beast with elemental spells. Her sword play isn't as good because of this usually but 5 did give her elemental sword skills to play with. While they aren't as good as her Tera spells they are perfectly usable and give her a reason to use swords for once.

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How much I dislike him is directly proportionate to how much he does the "But I'M the main character!" horse shit. I like him quite a lot when he isn't doing that.

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The only time they've been particularly useful was using Echo to cheese the stupid game mode where action count was your score.
>Could've had a niche with books.
>Sicily exists do you're inherently wanting to use her for her main weapon type in DD2
>Weapon is cut in Disgaea 5

Personally I always end up just stealing her Evilities and giving them to my spellcasters and melee fighters with a lot of elemental attacks, like Adell. For some reason the Magic Knight in particular never clicked with me.

Etna CBT

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>using story characters
???

I can't play it anymore. it's so fucking boring.

Yes.

I never did get why they cut books in 5. It was a really good weapon for all magic based characters and gave them an option between range or new attacks and power.

Disgaea really needs a few more weapon types at this point. Books should have been better balanced, not cut. Maybe on top of learning weapon skills, Books could be the only one that increases the power of spells, whereas Staves get the range boost and reduce SP cost or something. I was thinking that they could finally introduce a Magic Sword class of weapons too, which function the same as regular swords but run off the INT stat and can parry enemy spells like Celes' Runic skill from Final Fantasy 6. And Whips, which could attack up to three squares away but don't pierce like Spears and have a sweet spot on the tip of their range that does more damage and has a higher crit rate, would be nice. You wouldn't have to go into full Makai Kingdom-esque bullshit to give the party more variety than 50 chicks with guns and a dozen spellcaster that all play exactly the same.

Even before you hit post-game, Staves out-classed Books so much that there was no point in using them. Their Weapon Skills weren't all that great on their own, and certainly didn't make up for the boosts that regular spells got from Staves. But a lot of this was already fixed by how you boosted skills in the Evility Shop in 5, so just porting Books over as-is would have already helped balance them. Cutting them was completely unnecessary when it wouldn't have been very difficult to just buff them.

I feel like Books were a nice way to finally round out a set of 10 characters.
>4 melee humans, with Sword/Axe/Spear/Fist
>2 Ranged physical, with bow and gun.
>2 Magical, with Staves and Book
>2 Monster units, one physical, one magical.
There just namely needed to be a way to make Books and Mag-Monsters particularly valuable as an alternative to just your normal staff-using mage who can just drop a Tera spell from 10 tiles away from the target.

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>Disgaea thread reaches over 100 posts
>People actually discussing game mechanics and future releases instead of just dumping loli porn

Today Yea Forums was not a faggot.

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woundn't someone buy them

Most of NIS' employees have jumped ship to Compile Heart at this point, so it'd be funny if they ended up buying NIS out and we finally got that Disgaea/Neptunia crossover I'm sure we've all been excited for.

Yea Forums is pretty good about having at least one good Disgaea thread a month. You might get more of them too once D4C is released.

>D4C
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap?

Daily reminder that based harada was stashing a design of female laharl for years

Yes. He's gonna make Disgaea great again.

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Maybe Nisa for the ironie, or maybe Koch Media

That was probably the only reason that chapter existed in DD2 at all, since it barely has any connection to the actual plot as-is.

>Get 2,000 dollar PC
>Still can't emulate fucking PS2 games
>Can still run the latest PC games in 2k ultra though
Emulation's fucking retarded past the Dreamcast

fem laharl was revealed with DD2's project, I feel like they intented it to be more plot-centric but then most of the fun was put on the side for MUH SISTER and MUH BROTHER that kinda hogged the story more than necessary.

Because he became the thing he hated. Big tittied ladies.

I just want them to port Disgaea D2 to Steam. (3 and 4 would be nice as well) so I can sell my PS3. But it won't happen. :(

Came to post this.
>Randomly make two at the start of D5 on Switch
>One named Square. One named Tiananmen.
Fucking hell Disgaea's woke

Thanks for existing so MY BOY VALVATOREZ too, can exist.

Took some doing to set it up, but giving her the Valkyrie Evility along with an Evility that made enemies aggro to her more often turned her into a one man army. Enemies would dogpile on her while she evaded and countered them like Jackie Chan, and my spellcasters would kill anyone left over the next turn.

>Wait you can change the fucking base's music?
FUCK ME I JUST GOT USED TO THE
>I have a button~!
NOOOOOOOOO

It's an option available with the Records NPC near Plenair's spot in the base. One of those two that most people never talk to, anyway.

>NIS owns 100% of NISA
>getting acquired by your own subsidiary
that's not, uh, a thing that can happen

WHOAHA WHOAHA WHOAH

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It's a tie.
Really hope they both return in the next game. If we get a next game.

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Niche threads are t he best because a shitposter is instantly outed and ignored

I still have not bought disgaea 2, but I bought disgaea 3 and 4 on vita. Now Disgaea 4+ is coming out. Im getting fed up with nis' bullshit. just fucking release a new game already. enough of this redundant fucking shit and making people waste their money

It's crazy how Disgaea 2 was my least favorite game for a long time, in this series.
Then 5 had to come out.

>it's the records NPC
>not the nether editor

what in the goddamn i've been looking for a way to do this for 250 hours

Fight Mistress is my favorite generic class in any game, period.
She has both the sexiness and the power. She is great.
Wish Disgaea would get more fanart love.

NIS going under any time now!

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who should buy them, Square? Sega?

>Sega buys NIS
>We then get an SMT/Disgaea crossover game
HUAAHAHHHHH
don't fuck with me like this.

Honestly, Sega buying them would be the best case scenario but I don't think they would have the money or let alone the interest.

A SMT/Disgaea crossover would be a sight to behold. Imagine Laharl as a SMT protagonist.
Hell, he is actually has a few similarities with the Demi-fiend. In fact, Laharl IS a Demi-fiend.

Seconding this.

>sega
fucking kill yourself, asswipe

Yes, only because I hate the framerate issues the vita version has

If I managed to get Etna's panties I wouldn't resist fapping and staining them.

I love Etna way too much to do that.
Also these are way too damn rare, I've only ever seen one pair on ebay, and that's the pair I bought.

Let's take it a step further.
>Project X Zone 3
>Dante and Laharl get to meet.

I know, being so rare would make it even more exciting to use them to rub one.

is it bad that I haven't used squad attacks even once

My only problem with Disgaea 5 is that Gig isn't in it.

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Would be such a waste.

It's up to you, but that damage really piles on. But it's really only a reliable source of damage if you have someone with Sicily's Evility that boosts all allies' combo rate to 100%.

Sega or Capcom, Square is just shitty

I mean, who is going to see it? do you bring people to see your etna shrine? are you planning to sell it? unless your own fluids disgust you.

It's on display, user, on a mannequin. Of course it would be disgusting if there were cumstains on it.
Even if no-one else would see it, it would be disgusting.

While mechanically, it's probably the best game in the series. I just could not fucking enjoy the game.
>Heavy abuse of netherworld/chapter gimmicks to make so few maps be capable to fight head on.
>Almost all the characters and plot are played straight. Very little levity other than Zeroken being a flavor of Axel.

>implying someone that has an Etna shrine lives on their own

I love the way this unit looks, but is there really any value to it? I kill everything in 1 turn anyway and status effects don't really work on bosses.

Adell is best protag, change my mind

Prinny vs Teddie - who is the most un-bear-ably annoying mascot, dood?

I whole-heartedly agree with you on the plot, but to be honest I haven't liked a Disgaea story since D2, so that's a moot point as far as I'm concerned. As for stage gimmicks, I found D5 to be WAAAY less intrusive with that shit than the stages in D3 and D4. At least I never had to carry a box around for 50 turns while getting sniped by mages standing on stacks of Invincible cubes.

He wasn't hot-blooded enough. In a series of over-the-top parodies, Adell ended up feeling pretty lukewarm in comparison. But I ended up really liking him in his cameo appearances.

The only netherworld effect I hated was the one that spawned new enemies every turn and that is mostly because it made soloing the maps that had it a total pain. Outside of that one I found them to be fun to play around.

1 & 2 are the only good entries in the series, everything else can be ignored

at least prinnies are useful

Even then, all you needed was one bonus gauge to remove it. Except for the airship stages with all the teleporters, D5's maps were among the most straightforward in the series.

Well the difference there is that a gimmick in a situation like that exists for 1 map, and you're through. It's often a small puzzle for how you have to curve the normal strategy. The tournament in Disgaea 2 is the perfect example.
But in the Netherworld-wide gimmicks are just one flavor of bullshit that you just are forced to take about a half-dozen times across a chapter, and always to your deficit semi-exclusively.
>Here's a netherworld with poisonous water, so almost everything you fight is flying.
>Here's a netherworld where a particular elemental resistance is weakened, so enemies will always have it to their affinity and have skills with it.
>Fuck accuracy for this chapter.
>Just spawn more enemies iunno.
I'm not saying it made things particularly harder.
But it just felt lazy in a way. Like Netherworld effects were a crutch for map design.

Status effects can be useful for doing things earlier than you're meant to, but after that they get pretty worthless.

I hate pedos... but I want to fuck Etna. This has caused me great internal struggle.

Go back in time and fuck a pedophile as a child.

I remember when Thieves' whole gimmick was inflicting status effects with higher probability than mages, so you could stack enemies on top of one another, afflict them with Poison, and then run like a bitch until their HP was low enough to chip to death. The Shamen took over that role, but not the effectiveness, which is a shame.

Disgaea 3 & 4's remakes had them as amazing units because of Curse Storm. Then they nerfed that skill to shit.
It used to be able to become
>Infinite range skill that does an 80% roll independently on every status ailment in the game to all enemies.
and it got nerfed to
>Staff range.

Etna is 1400 years old pedo

At first I thought that sounded a bit broken but then I remembered that land decimator exists.

Hmm, maybe I'll try putting the "deal more damage on enemies with X status effect" Evilities on everything and treat it like a debuff applier.

Someone stole her nice body.

The thing is though, Status ailments inherenlty aren't too insane. So the ability to inflict them en masse is when any threat of them begins.
The best thing was using it to bullshit past the intended way of doing fights like Dark Dimension or the X of Ordeals.

1473, but who's counting.

2 is still my favorite. It's the only reason I still use my PSP. That and Tactics Ogre

Unlimited Blade Works

It bugs me that they don't use commas in the stat numbers. When you get in the millions it really starts getting hard to see what the number is at a glance.

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She got impregnated in the end.

By myself, yes.

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You say this like copyright infringement is anything new to Disgaea.
Do you not remember the Alraune skill that was just Giga Drill Breaker?

More like parody. There's Attaxe on Titan too.

They grow from trees or something

And then there's just straight-up cameos.

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why do they treat him like this

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If Compa hired all the NIS folks, why did they release that shitty Neptunia SRPG?

Lotte is 2cute.

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>try D5
>those prinny voices
D R O P P E D
right the fuck back to replaying D1+2 religiously

To bully him for his sins.
He cheated out of being a prinny, after all.

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i torrented d1 and d2 about to play the first what am i in for?

Flat.

the worst PC controls of your goddamn life, and the shittiest controller support.
get used to using only the keyboard.

and dont underestimate monster units.

>the worst PC controls of your goddamn life, and the shittiest controller support.
fuck really i was hoping to be comfy with this game and have a controller

never got controller to work reliably on D1, the keyboard option is honestly the best, just feels a little 1994 in its layout.

also git gud at geopanels

>Don't underestimate monster units
>Disgaea 1 and 2
I'm sorry? What's the tech I never understood in my earlier years. Because In D1 the only ones with any power were like Nekomata and the triclops guys and in D2 it was like just Mini Asagi and Zetta (who were both absolutely BUSTED).

I still feel bad about the anime, manga is really good.

>he doesnt keep emergency prinnies to throw at any problems

D1 works perfectly for me in my buffalo USB controller.

Nah I just used a team of 10 units that all did my work for me?
Especially that DUMB Disgaea 1 shit where skills never checked for accuracy and Axes were strong as hell.

I just beat the story mode in D5. What do I do now? Just item world high level items until I get an even higher item and repeat?

There is some post game content to unlock that carries the story onward, though it'll require you to do some item worlding to beat an item god as a requirement.

HoD had awful prinny voices

Always name him Jun Senoue

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What's the lore I'm missing here about the lord and savior of butt rock about hedgehogs?

is anyone else still trying to get all of the pirate maps in disgaea 2

2 is the only one I was able to get all the maps in.

is there an easy way to get specific pirates to appear

Can't wait for a La Pucelle Tactics sequel

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Not really. Its just luck of draw.

there are 3 Rhapsody games and they all take place in the same universe. Just 2 of them aren't translated

Angel gang rise up

Damn very jelly of the panties. I've tried searching for them in the past but I'd always just get results about the game itself or regular underwear.

I see you're a fan of yoshi haha

>no special story characters, only recruits
>no DLC
>1 of each character max
>always try to keep everyone similar in strength
Am I autistic for doing this

Well i've done this, and even when i'm going mostly casual i still try to keep everyone at same strength and only use 2 or 3 story characters, only time i used DLC was in 5 to get Adel and Rozalinn 'cause i love D2 way too much

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I'm almost the opposite.
I try to keep myself to the core of the plot cast and fill in generics for the weapon gaps, and try to build up their own narratives via reincarnation paths.
I'm sick of having to curve the entire way I build people based on overlapping weapon proficiency.
>Never used kung-pao chef in disgaea 3 because kyoko was already my fist user.
>Disgaea 2 has like 4 monster characters. Zammer came pretty late into the story.
>Gordon, Jennifer, and Thursday join way too late to integrate into the team.
>Had to make Red Magnus a lancer for Zeroken to main fist.
4 got it right.

Marjoly still the best!!

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user please, she's old enough to be your mother!

Considering she's 1509 years old, I'd say she's old enough to be quite a few mothers.

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>She actually stayed and didn't get covered up at all
>Neither did jennifer
Honestly a bit surprised with how tame outfits got in 4 and 5.

I wonder how many greats one could say before she smites you with her magic?

It's double hilarious since Marjoly isn't even a Disgaea character, she's a crossover character from a JRPG made for little girls.

Archers boobs

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Saw this live happening to my gf and i knew it was coming but i didn' warn her 'cause we were just starting dating and didn't know how to talk about her boobs and shit, that's why amazones used to chop off one of their boob

>Axes where strong as hell

This is why my team of 7 slimes and 3 humans was so ridiculously efficient, each one had resistances I had built myself through item world to survive the elements individually. They have incredible range if you throw them on eachother. Axe, fist, sword and spear gets stopped in its wake. Character team struts in and cleans things up

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Cant i make her a mother instead?

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are you me>
cause i literally have my psp for those very same reasons

Has anyone been watching the prinny rule videos?

>always have a character crisis whenever I try replaying a Disgaea game and can never figure out if I want a full team of Generics or if I want to use my favorite Uniques

Isn't that Flonne's age as well

Are you retarded, I did exactly that at least 10 years ago. and I dndn't have a 2000$ PC

Now PS3 emulation is getting there.
And for Disgaea 3&4 it works really well, since the graphics consist of 1 polygons and 2 sprites
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how do i git gud at item world? I just unlocked it in Disgarea 1, but it's kicking my testicles

What are you diving into? If you just unlocked it and your level is low you really should start with a item that says enemies are at level 1, because even then at each floor the enemies level will increase so by the time you reach the general on floor 10 the enemies will be at... I dunno something higher than 1
Playing Item World can be very different from the main game since you don't have stops between maps so make sure you have a healer and backup healing itens to keep your dudes maintained

Post more bunny

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this was such a fucking nightmare for me the first time I fought it.

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I wish they could afford that again.

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>Adell and Rozalin are infinitely more likable in DLC appearances than they are in their own game
i disagree. and i really didn't like how rozalin had a different voice in d5

>I just unlocked it in Disgarea 1
Don't worry about it too much in the main story, if you get or buy a nice item you're going to be using for a while try to put 10 levels into it for a pretty good boost. If you ever feel like you need to grind just do some Item World runs if you don't feel like replaying one of the story maps that are set up for grinding. You'll get experience and be improving your equipment.
Leveling up an item increases every stat that it improves, so the more stats an item has the more you get out of improving it. Emblem items (like the Imperial Seal that Laharl starts with) give you massive value, for example.
You also absolutely want to have a Thief (or Rogue, I think they're called). Thieves suck ass as fighters, since their aptitudes and weapons masteries are all pretty bad. But they're the only unit that can effectively Steal from enemies (all other units have their success rate capped at 50%) and the Item World is the best source of good items at all stages of the game. Every enemy randomly generates with random equipment roughly the same tier as the item you entered, so you can look through the inventories of the enemies on each floor and be pretty likely to find some useful Legendary-rarity equipment (50% better stats than its normal variant, 25% for Rare) or some other item types that can be hard to find early on like Boots, Belts and Goggles.
Thieves are also the only generic unit that has a Throw range of 6, which is also very useful in the Item World where the random terrain can screw you over (especially in D1). Thieves are built to be best with Guns (since they don't have a penalty to HIT) but in the long run it's better for them to use Swords, because Sword skills are the best in the game and only Sword, Fist and Magic can attack in a 3x3 square optimal for postgame grinding.
Scouts are also valuable in the Item World, because they can reroll Geo Effects for the whole map.
Bring healing and always have a Gency Exit.

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