NOOOOOOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!!!!!!

When the fuck are we gonna get a /wow/ so these faggots will stop ruining the board?

It's just elitism. He's got his legion of little retard followers behind him so it will never be a problem to find a group for anything for him but anyone else? Fuck em.

It did not exist in Vanilla, though. Even the addon wasn't around until BC was almost out, and shortly after was an in-game version of LFG.

I don't get why people keep saying this existed, and then telling everyone that says it didn't that they're exposing themselves as zoomers. There's no way you could be more exposed as a zoomer who never played than by insisting that LFG was a part of Vanilla.

It exsisted but it didn't have the same abilities as now.

the fuck are you talking about, the whole "LFG" concept didn't even exist back then from what I know. People just spawned in trade chat or raided with friends and guilds.
Nobody in my server ever fucking used something like that in vanilla and TBC

I didn't even know he did a rant but considering his opinions on change and Classic I'm assuming it was about how group finder addons weren't part of the Vanilla experience so it shouldn't be in Classic.
Personally I wouldn't mind an addon like that because the Vanilla/Burning Crusade experience was spamming trade chat until people who could fill the role you were looking for whispers you "I'll go" and a group finder addon would help thin out the trade chat spam and simplify the "I'll go" whispers.

Huh. This is good.

Yep. You either asked in trade or just ask your guildies. Hell, you could do it as well on the zone the dungeon was in.

What did it do?

it was something that helped retail shape to how it is now, if they're really going to stay "classic" they may as well curb it

>Cry about LFD/LFR ruining the social experience
>Cry when the addon for it gets removed
You can stop. Everyone at Blizzard already knows you're shitposting retards.

Nothing, it didn't exist until a couple weeks before Blizzard added their own to the game, and almost no one used it. It functioned the same as LFG did, just with a shittier UI

No it wasn't, use trade chat like everyone else and quit being a fag

he's a zoomer, has no idea what he's saying.
It didn't exist.

can someone explain to an ignorant drunk asshole why this is a big deal?

New thing bad, old thing good

This, minus the drunk part. Just the drunk part.

Shut the fuck up. Final warning.

thank god

>People complain modern WoW is just grinding and completely lost the whole social aspect of the game
>Want to go back to the time when you actually had to talk to people to actually do shit
>Classic happens
>Some optional addon can add the LFG system even to classic, basically a quequing system for instances / raids that automatically finds you a group for them
>System is regarded of one of the main reasons why WoW became the unfun grind it is now
>Blizzard disables the possibility to use that addon for classic
>Everybody agrees it's a good thing
>OP creates a bait thread for zoomers

Here.

It's giving zoomers who never played Classic a reason to make shit up and announce the death of WoW Classic like they do with literally every bit of news that has anything to do with WoW Classic. Just ignore it and move on.

>the addon's like queuing up for a match in an average vidya

Only it's not. It doesn't have any matchmaking functionality whatsoever. It can auto-invite people via whisper or directly through the addon (this is the part that is likely going to get broken) but it's not smart enough to actually form a group. You still need to talk to people with or without the addon. You're just saving clicks on the tedium of repeating the same chat spam and time spent scrolling through chat.

The really stupid thing is that now because a bunch of people whined Blizzard is changing their API which means, depending on how heavyhanded they are, many other completely unrelated addons could end up being broken as collateral damage because the retards complaining have zero idea how addons actually work.

How many Fortnite kids do you think will drop off before level 40?

i've played mmo's that have no group finder or matchmaking type of shit, can someone explain the so called 'social aspects' people keep talking about? i wouldnt call trawling through chat and whispering the leader 'inv (relevent info goes here)' being social.
so whats different about classic, do people start telling you their lifestory instead of playing the game?

4

thanks user
that puts it plain for me

Good. Most add-ons cultivate shitters who can't play. The only addon anyone ever needed was threat management, and a DPS scale if you wanted to gloat about the size of your e-peen.

If you're so socially inept that you don't understand the concept of an ice-breaker, then there's no chance anyone can explain it to you. Just continue being a robot and don't think about it.

>Thinking waiting 20 minutes to an hour spamming chat is fun
>Not thinking people are just going to make LFG discords will be the norm, negating the whole reason for a lack of LFG.
inb4 zoom zoom

>t.lying shitpost zoomer
It didn't exist until sometime around TBC pre-patch and no one used it becuase it sucked massive amounts of ass, to the point of the developer just not updating it anymore a few patches after its release. It was nowhere near as ''good'' as this new LFG addon and it looked even more shit than this new addon aswell.

An LFG discord is redundant. There already exists an LFG chat. Again, you're making shit up in an attempt to spark outrage, but it will only work on people who have also never played it, of whom will most likely quit a few days in anyway, so nothing of value is lost.

Vanilla WoW is social in the sense that, without group finder, you sort of awkwardly had to pass the time and chat with the people you were about to do a dungeon with. And also make logistical plans about how to get there, try to grab a lock instead of a mage for dps so you can summon and only 2 people plus the lock need to run to instance, who needs repairs, etc.

You might talk to the guys on route, maybe chat about if you've seen any horde in the area and what to look out for, talk about drops ahead of time.

Itll still happen this time around but I assume normies will be really distracted by constantly alt tabbing to check discord memes and reading snapchats on their phone

People romanticize the past almost to a fault. Most people don't want a OSRS kind of deal, where the previous version gets expanded on, they just want it to be just like how it was when they were younger.

absolutely based

we're going home boys

>People romanticize the past almost to a fault
>they just want it to be just like how it was when they were younger.

No I actually just want a good game. It just so happens good games quit being made after I stopped being young.

zoomers are literally crying right now lmao

That's not true, you're just a nostalgiafag.

>An LFG discord is redundant. There already exists an LFG chat.
Dipping in this thread, saw on front page and I don't know what you guys are talking about besides WoW but you severely under estimate zoomer culture.
There WILL be LFG discords, but it won't make in game lfg chat useless

>Good. Most add-ons cultivate shitters who can't play
And here is an example of said retard who doesn't know jack shit about how addons actually work. Boss mods aren't the kind of thing that would get hit by this API change (unless they went ballistic and changed chat-parsing functionality) yet we still have retards who have never seen a line of lua in their lives commenting on all the things the addon does or will lead to.

If I was a nostalgiafag then why is it only some games from my childhood are fun to me now? Why not all of them?

Discord further streamlines the process, and makes it easier to get who you need. A knowledgeable admin can pretty much do everything but teleport people to a place, with careful server placements and bots.

i wasnt interested in jumping on the bandwagon but suddenly i got interested in playing classic.

but honestly though you just know discord channels are going to be made for lfg`s

I didn't say they wouldn't exist, I said they would be redundant. Which they will be. If anything, it'll be a secondary guild chat. There's no real reason to join a discord because all the relevant interest chats exist and are separated. If some kids want to make a discord, let them. No one will miss them in chat.

>An LFG discord is redundant.
It's not redundant. LFG chat is shitshow of everybody yelling in the same channel. A discord helps filter all of that out so you can only see what's actually relevant to you, JUST LIKE A FUCKING CHAT PARSER ADDON.

It's why the majority of PoE players use 3rd party sites and trading discords instead of trying to sell/buy shit in the game's trade channel.

what's "classicLFG"? it sounds kinda gay.

You're supposed to hit up your friends and guildies to form parties. LFG is for when you're short a person and nobody else you actually know will join. Anybody that spams LFG by themselves for hours has failed to understand the game.

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Lol so blizzard really wants that people drop this hot turd within weeks huh?

I'm going to laugh my ass off once people realize what a massive pile of shit classic was and blizzards will cancel the project.

>People romanticize the past almost to a fault.
>Most people don't want a OSRS kind of deal, where the previous version gets expanded on
Both yes and no. Most people want blizzard to do nothing with Classic becuase they have already proven themselves incompetent in making games. Blizz have been on a steady downward quality spiral since MoP and D3. They also change things just because they can and then refuse to change said thing back once they are proven wrong about their assumptions.

>they just want it to be just like how it was when they were younger.
You are trying to make this sound like a bad thing when it is the easiest and best way to maintain Classic like it was. Most people are not really that nostalgic about Classic and are just there for the wild ride of old school game design and see what they missed out on at the Vanilla release. You have to remember that about 2/3rds of the 11mil people that played wow at its peak never played Vanilla.

Because you were a dumb kid who was often swayed by advertisements to get things he didn't want, much like now how you're a dumb adult who was persuaded by advertisements to get things he didn't want and decided to blame the times instead of himself because he can't handle to idea that he's a weak-willed retard.

take it from someone who was there when lfg was implemented in the game,it ruins the community

>Shitpost will be ignored, as will post that say the truth

TRANNYS
FFXIV
ZZZZOOOOMER ME BOOMER

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>says queue maintenance worker increasingly nervously

when i played EQ and vanilla wow i always noticed that groups tended to stay together longer and do more shit, maybe cycling in and out a person here and there.
when LFG was added to the game you get a group for a specific encounter, do it and then everyone drops from the party, and random groups with the group finder people tended to talk less. They just wanted to run the dungeon and get out. I prefer having to find groups manually, it makes them more valuable and creates stronger connections between players than when it's just a queue you sign up for and then bounce out of when done.

This is why god doesn't talk to us anymore.

>Indirectly defending the lootbox/microtransaction hellhole that is current day gaming
>Shitting on games that you are probably to young to have ever played and/or are now too lazy to actually give a try
Shit like LOTR and Star Wars are still popular becuase they were/are good, not becuase of ''nostalgia''. The nostalgia argument is such a fucking non-argument that it probably should be filtered on 4chins.

But that just straight isn't true. The only people that were ever yelling in LFG were gold spammers that you could ignore with no issues, and people that were looking for players to fill out a group. There's no need to parse out people who are looking for groups you don't need, you just close the chat when you don't need it, and open it when you need to look. Drop your info every now and then and continue what you were doing, or notice a group looking for your role for a dungeon you want to run, and you respond to that.

You people are just stretching out the usefulness of something like a discord to justify it's use. You don't actually need it for any of those things unless you are incapable of making your own decisions or taking control of your play experience. And if that's the case, just use it, but don't argue for why it's better, because those reasons are just flat wrong.

Classic isn't coming back guys. You can ban or restrict all you want, but if you pay enough money you can get the same rewards everyone else grinds their ass off for. It's all old, meaningless shit.

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Why are you so hellbent on gaslighting people into believing they were only having "fake fun" in video games as youths? Doesn't occam's razer suggest, instead of a mass hypnotism event plaguing millions, the more likely case is that case were actually just better before microtransactions and soulless reboots?

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just admit your going to buy it anyway

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Classic manchildren want to go back to being fourteen again because the present is too much of a hassle. Anything that threatens this illusion they lash out at with irrational fervour.

I'll never understand the people that want to burn down LFG. It literally only improves the game. If you think sitting around waiting for people to join your group for 20-40 minutes is fun then good on you. That isn't part of the "experience" that's just God awful tedium. LFG doesn't make people stop talking to each other. You faggots being anti-social and not actually talking to people does that.

>LFG doesn't make people stop talking to each other.

It absolutely does, the problem is it's so much easier and so effortless to organize with so many tools that banning it isn't going to work.

Then filter it out and stop responding to me. Way to change he subject and make generalizations about primarily AAA gaming, which is not the bulk of the current gaming market, just it's profits. You're a nostalgiafag, and your opinions are immediately dissmissable because of it.

when you have a LFG queue people get in a group, do the instance then bounce out right away. when you don't have a queue being in a group becomes more valuable and people stick around longer and communicate better and do more shit together.

I never said that. If you can rephrase the question to more accurately address my post, I'll respond. Otherwise, you're clearly just trying to win an argument by inventing things I never said and pointing out the weaknesses in those invented scenarios. You don't need another person to play solitaire.

WoW is really gay. They want to do classic, why can't they just do classic? Like you already released the game fuckin 100 years ago, just boot it up. How hard can it be? I can't imagine being a WoW player. So gay.

I wonder how are they gonna break it. All it does is parse the chat, are they gonna break all addons that parse the chat? If so, welcome to spamers paradise.

its blizzard so they're probably going to do exactly that. wouldn't be the first time they've gone in with a sledgehammer and fucked everything else.

>LFG exist
>Barely any actual talking in general chats and just marketing spam with the occasional ''meme'' spam/outbreak
>People barely talk in dungeons becuase it is just easier to blame others and then just leave if ANYTHING goes wrong
>This also fosters a community of socially stunted players that only plays the game for the ''carrot'' and nothing else becuase it is a faster to do that for a dopamine rush rather than create meaningfull bonds with fellow players and fun memories of shit going south

You can litteraly follow WoWs community going to complete shit after LFG and LFR being introduced, BFA is a perfect living example of this. If you have an afternoon to speare you should watch old dungeon run/raid videos on youtube and see for yourself.

I have played a handful of MMOs, and from my experience, that rarely happens. And most that do stick around after the raid is over, is usually just for the play session, then you never see them afterwards.

>see someone advertising or being annoying
>right click ignore
WOOOOOOOOW HOW WILL I EVER BE ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME LIKE THIS?!?!!? WTF BLIZZARD!!!! YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME LFG ADDONS NOW!!! I CANT PLAY LIKE THIS!!!

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>brainlet posts brainlet images
Like pottery.

so what does this addon actually do exactly? i briefly looked into it and it just seems to parse chat for keywords and dumps them into a seperate ui. but people keep saying 'no it does more than that' then proceed to ghost me when i ask them to elaborate.

You're genuinely retarded. Breaking chat parsing addons, worst case, forces you to right click ignore spam. Oh the horror.

>Then filter it out and stop responding to me. Way to change he subject and make generalizations about primarily AAA gaming, which is not the bulk of the current gaming market, just it's profits.
We can't filter out 90% of the market dumbass. If you want proof of this just spend 10-20 min on browsing through your online marketplace of choice and you'll notice that it is filled to the absolute brim with microtrasaction games and obvious cashgrabs.
Atleast we could cut it down by about half if you just go back about a decade, since back then AAA devs actually had to try to make some money instead of just chasing whales and most shitty cashgrabs games never got a platform to stand on.

>You're a nostalgiafag, and your opinions are immediately dissmissable because of it.
How can I have nostalgia for shit like the Crash bandicoot games and it's re-releases if I never played the games back in the day and still like them, you absolute dumbass. You are so quick on the ''nostalgia'' trigger that you obviously have never played any games that are not/were not just placed in front of you.

> Still focusing on AAA games

That's your problem. I already said it was and you clearly ignored it. That's why your opinions are dissmissable. Because you're an idiot that takes all the bad parts of something, and acts like those parts are all of that something. So until you say something that doesn't sound like you're just ripping opinions from YouTube, have fun replying I guess.

Newfags can't sage

Ignore list is limited to 50 people if I recall correctly. You will fill it up in a week.

don't play WoW, but been following some of these threads. How hard can it be to release this shit without any of the future additions? Is blizzard really this retarded?

>I have played a handful of MMOs, and from my experience, that rarely happens.
Did you play any of those MMOs back in say, 2001-2008? Most MMOs patched in an LFG tool shortly after it became popular in WoW and back before it was the norm people would generally stay together for more dung runs or just some questing since it was harder to find competent people (and sometime just people at all) to play with. It wasn't just the introduction of LFG that fucked this up though. The general trend of making games easier also removed the need of actually being good at the games or finding someone to help you out if you weren't.

There's no way in hell that ignores are capped to 50 still

ive never played WoW before, can i have fun with classic?

Crying about lfg is the most retarded thing ever. If all the likeminded people (and there is apprently a lot of them based on the bitchin over boards) just didnt use the tool and formed a guild or sumthing then it would not even be an issue. Instead they want everyone else to autistically spam lfm for 20 mins with them. How does they remove grind ? All it does is make grinding take more time.

Automatically forms dungeon groups

>That's your problem. I already said it was and you clearly ignored it. That's why your opinions are dissmissable. Because you're an idiot that takes all the bad parts of something, and acts like those parts are all of that something. So until you say something that doesn't sound like you're just ripping opinions from YouTube, have fun replying I guess.
Enlighten us user, how do you find good games to play then? Since you have to wade through a sea of SHIT on EVERY platform to find a handfull of good games and I've already played most of these ''good'' games. I like how you are just ignoring the fact that it is not only AAA devs that are oushing out shit either, it is actually most of the indie devs aswell.

Want an example for this? Look are ANY store and try to find any new game that tickless your fancy, buy that game, and then come back and report on if it was actually worth the money.
For every RoR1/2, Salt'n'Sanctuary, MHW or Bloodstaind we have, there are atleast 10 of these fucking games: store.steampowered.com/app/834910/ATLAS/ or store.steampowered.com/app/273770/Game_Tycoon_15/
And it hasn't been until recently that marketplaces like steam actually gave their users the tools they needed to sift through all of this shit to find a few shiny rocks and maybe a diamond

Go ahead, give me another non argument user, that seems like the only thing you are good at anyway.

fucking awesome.
saw that mod earlier and it made me feel a bit sad desu
my body is ready for classic

>It takes out many social aspects
and layering does not

/3 existed in vanilla, where you had to talk to people
nobody used lfg

at least it doesn't have people from other servers, I hate "imaginary people" more than layered people

so if the group leader has this addon and goes
>lf 2dps deadmines
and some random whispers or or says in chat he is dps looking for a deadmines group it automatically invites him? thats kinda shit.
any addon that automatically interacts with chat with 0 player input should fuck off, even in retail.

In addition to the other things people have said, Blizzard has really been on a kick of streamlining the game out of their games. Take the removal of talent trees, for example: one could argue (mostly correctly) that the only purpose of talent trees is to let players make the wrong choice. But what they actually do is make every level-up feel tangible, like you're improving your character in a concrete way, even if it's only a percentage point of fire damage.
LFG tools streamline the sociality out of social gaming. This isn't just high-minded theorizing, it's exactly what happened.

holy fucking based dev

Yeah pretty much. Auto invites and even auto accepts. If both have the addon, it even sends the request to be invited by itself too

Well you see lilxoom, back in the original Classic we had to give our entire life story before being accepted into a group. And then once we got inside the dungeon we would all stop and and tell each other about our days before proceeding.

NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WRITE LETTERS IN THE GENERAL CHAT TO FIND A GROUP
SO SOCIAL WOAH SO OLDSCHOOL DUDE

this but unironically

I played on a classic private server a year ago after never getting into an MMO in my life. Leveled with a friend, was a great time. Even though we were on voice with each other most of the time, we still chatted with randoms and grouped for quests and stuff. It was great seeing someone in the same area as you and they ask to group for a few quests. The socialization people talk about happening with classic definitely does happen. I made a character on retail a while back and it was just not fulfilling the same thing.

imagine being a humongous fucking faggot like these faggots
fuck off back to retail, trannies

Threadly reminder until they kill themselves.

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Better not see a single complaint from DPScucks about how long it takes them to find a BRD group.

But Blizzard literally removed the ability to communicate with people on retail.

>Blizzard
"LFG ruins the game"
>Also Blizzard
"Play BFA guys"

Wot

>LFG 1 HEALER DEADMINE
>LFG 1 HEALER DEADMINE
>LFG 1 HEALER DEADMINE
>LFG 1 HEALER DEADMINE
>LFG 1 HEALER DEADMINE
LOOK MOM YOU ALWAYS TOLD ME I WASNT SOCIABLE
BUT LOOK HOW SOCIABLE THIS VIDEO GAME MAKES ME
THIS IS BETTER THAN REAL LIFE MOM PLEASE DONT SHUT DOWN MY COMPUTER NOW

yeah i can kinda see why it caused a bit of a stir now, people getting emotionally charged over it is a bit much though.
if it was just a ui that showed what was going on at the moment without having to sort through chat it wouldn't be that bad.

PoE has a 3rd party site because the same item in PoE can have a billion different variations of it and the nature of the game being a spreadsheet simulator relies on that one in a million item being findable for your build, the average player also has hundreds of things to sell so that would make a temporary chat extremely inefficient, especially when people want to play
in WoW you're gonna run a dungeon once every day or so and while doing that you're not playing, you're just standing in a city waiting to play. one message in the chat gets 5 to 40 people in a group.
so fuck off with your false equivalence, retard

>all this salt because introverts can't depend on an addon
I can't even imagine how zoomers today would react to their friend's ingame funeral being raided.

youtube.com/watch?v=MEpv7YxnLCQ

NO MOM I CAN'T GET A JOB I TOLD YOU I HAVE SOCIAL ANXIETY!

test

>All it does is make grinding take more time.
good. maybe don't play classic if you're a spastic ADHD zoomer, retard.

What the fuck are you talking about?

They're appealing to a demographic. This is like saying,
>Proctor and Gamble
"Buy disposable razor blades so you can be a proper man."
>Also Proctor and Gamble
"Buy pink disposable razor blades because they're designed for women's sensitive skin."

lol you faggots either didn't actually play vanilla or you don't remember. LFG chat was fucking huge.

>the funeral raid
Jesus christ 2006 really was a different time.

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I'm amazed they are doing all this and not charging anything for it, like they are assuming a lot of people will come back and current users don't just use it.

>tfw scatman starts up

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you still have to communicate on a discord

>LFG chat was fucking huge.
This addon isn't ''LFG'' chat, all it does is check for other players that have it installed and then check /1, /2 an/or /3 for any ''LFG/LFM'' messages and auto invites that character. It's shit and would have probably been ignored if it wasn't names after the current ''LFG'' system we have in retail WoW.

>no blood elves, must pay the tax of being a grotesque moster if you wanna join the elite pvp faction
>only a pitiful amount of mounts and pets to collect
>no achievements
>no level boosts
>no fun from getting titanforged gear

FUCK YOU BOOMERS, ONLY A MORON WOULD A GAME OF 99% OF ITS FEATURES AND CALL IT AN IMPROVEMENT

I CANT BELIEVE I'LL HAVE TO SPEND THOUSANDS ON GOLD SELLERS JUST TO GET A LV60 AND I CAN'T EVEN USE MY CASH SHOP MOUNTS, I'M DOWNSIZING MY MUTIBOXES FROM 40 TO 20 TO PROTEST THIS BULLSHIT, AND DONATING IT TO ASMONGOLD INSTEAD
FU BLIZZARD

Is this the official salt mine thread?

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All of you fucking faggots have never played the game if you don't realize the Inn-Keepers eventually were given the ability to que up players to group. Problem is when the group invite popped you were legit just stuck where you were. So everybody had to run to the instance.

>chat parser is incomparable with social design of Classic
>but layering is
Double standards from Blizzard as usual.

yeah but what does Asmongold and /ourstreamer/ Tipsout think of all this?

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>If you don't like it just don't use it!
This fallacy is what lead retail down the path of streamlining and casualization that eventually got it to where it is today, an online single player action game with vague RPG elements. It is a slippery slope that leads to more and more things added for the sake of convenience because John Casual the Night Elf Hunter only has an hour to play per week and he wants to feel like he is 'accomplishing something' in that time.

In a competitive environment, humans tend to use every advantage at their disposal in order to achieve the easiest path to success. If something comes along that gives them an edge, they will feel compelled to use it - ESPECIALLY if everyone else is using it too.

Look at another popular mod, DBM. I don't think most people would consider it optional.

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what the fuck am I reading?

When did DBM get its first release?

that shit had auto invite? no wonder they scrapped it.

Yeah it did. It basically worked the same way the BfA addon worked.

NO ONE IS MAKING YOU PLAY CLASSIC WOW
YOU CAN PLAY OTHER GAMES

WHY DO THESE PEOPLE INSIST ON PLAYING A GAME THEY KNOW IS INCONVENIENT FOR THEM, AND THEN BITCH ABOUT HOW INCONVENIENT IT IS AND HOW THEIR TIME IS VALUABLE JUST PLAY ANOTHER GAME NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PLAY THIS GAME AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>Autoinvite like oQueue
Well of course they got rid of it, it directly undermines the social environment they're trying to foster. Everyone knows it exists and it would absolutely have disrupted the way they people play the game.

Call to Arms existed in vanilla.

But it was a fucking joke and no one used it because of how pointless it was.

Classic really is a fucking time machine. It's like I'm reading the forums back in 2008 when they added Dungeon Finder at the beginning of Wrath.

I wouldn't use automatic invites in classic anyway. Even if the content is easy shit, you can't just invite random ass dps or you end up with a full melee group in brd and get fucked in the ass.

people were using dbm/decursive/ctmod ect when mc was the only raid

>STOP PLAYING THE GAME THE WAY YOU WANT TO PLAY IT

i wish "classic" was based on wotlk or even cata with all of the cancer excised from it

in a game with so many different races and classes i've never felt so restricted because of how many of them were unuseable

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Go ahead. Segregate yourself to a discord and stay there.

this shit is exposing the virgin lfg faggots so hard. us lfm chads will school you.

>the whole "LFG" concept didn't even exist back then from what I know.
You are sorely mistaken.

More than anything Classic makes me wish that Retail was worth playing. I want to play my fucking goblin. I want to play my fucking death knight.
Classic is a decent compromise, but it does feel like shit giving up all the fun things the game has added over the years to get a core experience that's worth your time.

What do you mean "the way you want to play it"? You retards were begging for classic for years even though Blizzard warned you it's shit and you wouldn't like it
Now they're letting you do it

Does nobody remember Gearscore, Guild Calendar or Cross Realm Assist? Lmao, saying "just don't use it" doesn't mean shit when it becomes almost mandatory to use it.

Ahh yes mod policing, the Vanilla experience

why is it always horde?

>inb4 zoomzoom
you realize discord is core zoomzoom, right?
a majority of the people returning are de facto not using it

>20 minutes
yeah, sure, lets play retail where you have fast queueing via tools for stuff that doesnt matter anyway like heroic dungeons
and M+? if you are an undesirable non meta class you wont get any invites and if you are 3 dps and a healer you will sit around for way more than 20 min

you are a zoomer
you are a shit
retail a shit
cope

Hey retard, the problem was that the queue would throw you into a group with whomever. Which meant you'd end up in a group with 5 DPS. No one used that garbage.

me personally i would rather play good retail over classic. but with the state BFA is in now, that's not happening. here's hoping the A/B team theory is right and next expansion will be better.
i miss MOP bros...

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>Spamming random channels with "LFM"
>Peak socialization

>a majority of the people returning are de facto not using it
retard

you did not answer his point in any way or form

if he was nostalgic or manipulated HE WOULD BE NOSTALGIC OR MANIPULATED ABOUT ALL THE STUFF FROM HIS CHILDHOOD

why are zooms like you so mentally impaired

Blizzcon this year is going to be interesting.
The success of Classic is probably going to wake somebody at Blizzard the fuck up, and I hope it makes them start screaming at the retail team asking them what the FUCK they're doing.
Even that might be too much to hope for, though, the game has been bad for much longer than it has been good at this point.

REEEEE GIVE ME LFG AND ILVL MODS BLIZZARD REEEEEE

Fuck off ff14 tranny

Retail could be good without the crazy time sink it's turned into. Raids are arguably the best they've ever been, but in order to raid at even a mediocre level in mythic, you need to do a fucking insane amount of world quests to stay even slightly behind the pack. Class differentiation could be a bit better too from what I hear from the DPS players, but the healing specs are all significantly differentiated from one another. I'd still be playing if the grind wasn't absolutely required.

Also, to add something on topic, classic sucks. Raids are boring mechanically, rotations almost nonexistent. I think part of what people love about classic is that the skill ceiling is much lower than retail. The baseline for being a competent player is much lower so it's easier for people to feel good. Retail is actually fairly complex and involved for an MMO if you care about actually being good at the game.

I don't even live in the US and this shit bothers me, they actually think the democrats are the good guys, instead of the elite corporate hacks they are.

i started playing retail a year ago and i was having the time of my life doing content in azeroth, outland, northrend, pandaria, and then just as i went to go through the red portal to access WoD...

youtube.com/watch?v=Q06H_81IZiM

jesus christ what a fucking trainwreck. all this fucking waiting with timers like it was a facebook game. it got a little better once i hit legion but there was still that sense of unending dissatisfying grind with the reps. i didn't even bother getting them all for flying because it was so unfun

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Don't bother with BfA, it only gets worse from where you're at.

us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/classiclfg-addon/263761/1731

Almost everyone is happy with this.

doubleretard

discord is a zoomer and Intenet circlejerk thing
just compare user numbers with some other numbers you imbecile

people just keep talking about it like it is some standard chat tool everyone is using despite there being a clearly visible number showing it is just a small amount of faggots in their zoomer safespace

I like classic because it's chill.

I don't remember it at all

oh no i fucking gave up once 8.0.5 rolled around and did nothing to start mending the massive gaping wound that was BFA and picked up FF14 instead

>shouting LF2M Scarlet Monastery for hours on end is "socializing"
The absolute state of Yea Forums shutins.

The thing about Classic and TBC I feel is that endgame has, contrary to popular opinion, a much lower barrier to entry. You don't need to endlessly grind dailies and world quests. You don't need to stay on top of your weekly mythic. There are so many little things, like you said, that retail requires you to do to stay in the game.

Classic is just, you do the content. You group with people, you do some attunement quests, and then you go do the dungeons. There are many things you can do once you're in endgame in order to raise yourself up, but actually getting into endgame isn't a big deal.

I dont care if people enjoy BFA or FF14. I just don't want these retarded locusts who demand conveniences to swarm into my game of choice and ruin it, FOR THE SECOND TIME.

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Half the shit stirrers in this thread are ff14 players desperate to try get anyone to go play thier shitty game, it's sad really. How desperate.

>Implying that removing the need to exit a dungeon and go to a capital to find a replacement isn't going to affect the vanilla experience

There's also the thing where people are/were very accommodating in Classic/TBC - people were willing to help you get things because helping you helped them. You want your priest friend to be geared, you want all your buddies to be attuned and have keys, etc.
In modern WoW, you only really care about yourself. Everyone can everything done by themselves, so everyone is expected to. You're there to be a drone filling a slot, essentially, and you'd better already know how to do your job and have all the things you need to do it, because nobody is going to provide that for you.

The great thing about classic is it truly is an open world sandbox. You want to fish and never raid or pvp? You can do that. You want to pvp and never raid? You can do that. You want to raid and never pvp? You can do that.

You want to do nothing but flip merch on the AH? You can do that. You want to max rep with all factions? You can do that. It's just it's own fucking thing that allows you to do your own fucking thing. Group up, don't group up, stealth farm, solo, do whatever you want.

But this of course scares and frightens the care bear normie who demands their hand to be held by the dev, and constantly be put on rails for their entire play session.

Abso fucking lutely. Attunement quests are a minor fucking inconvenience compared to the literally endless world quest/AP grind you need to do to not only enter into the raiding scene at the lowest level but continue to do endlessly to become and stay a viable member. It's just fucking ridiculous. I would suck a dick for the ability to just show up to raid and otherwise play casually doing the things I enjoy, but retail doesn't want to let me do that so here I am, unsubbed.

it didnt exisit in vnulla xoomer faggot

NO user-kun, it's scared retail players.

i don't really care so much for convenience like LFG or whatever as much as i care about more character customization in regards to race+class combos and also having each spec be viable. i think they should be OK to use outside of what they normally tear ass at

i'm kinda interested in seeing what they do for 9.0. if classic is a success in the long term i can see 9.0 going 2 ways
>9.0 brings back elements that worked in classic that got lost over the years
or this nightmare situation
>9.0 continues down the road of grinds and timesinks and dumbs down shit ever harder for the casual retards because 'if you want an mmorpg experience classic is there for you'

You've basically explained why most MMOs including retail WoW suck absolute dogshit

>race+class combos and also having each spec be viable.
That's fine you want that, but don't ask for it in classic WoW. We already saw what chasing that stupid ideal leads to, it leads to modern, retail WoW.

good.

>You want to raid and never pvp?
i kinda get what you are saying but thats the only thing you can't do on retail right now.

He was referring to Vanilla

im not asking for it in classic, im just wishing classic was wotlk or a tricked out version of cataclysm after having underwent successful chemotherapy treatments. i'm curious to see which way classic will evolve, into just launching into tbc, wotlk, or making its own way as "classic+"

So the addon does literally nothing a LFG Discord won't do?
Yet you're up in arms about an addon that is literally incapable of doing half the things you're screaming about, and don't call for Blizzard to ban Discord groups.
Repeating the same message in general or any other chat isn't being social, you fuck.

Every spec is playable outside of raiding, though. If you want to play a ret paladin you can. If you want to play a shadow priest you can. If you want to play a survival hunter you can - the game isn't as strict about that sort of thing as people think it is, you don't need to be playing totally optimally in order to do well, and I think people are going to be more lax about it this time around because most people are experienced with the game this time around.

The only spec that is truly completely worthless is Balance, but you could do a Resto/Balance hybrid build no problem I'll bet.

If you decide you want to raid then yeah, you will probably be asked to switch to your class's raiding spec, but otherwise I don't think people are going to be too anal about it. There were tons of ret paladins running around in the beta, for example.

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You can look at the dumpster fire which is Project 1999 to see how classic will probably end up unless blizz keeps up some kind of progression for their servers and/or keep churning out new ones. MMO's are not designed to stay on one expansion for too long. You get into some really crazy endgame dynamics on the macro level.

I'd like at least to see a modern graphics toggle for people who want it. Unlike the LFG addon, client side graphics options change nothing about t he way the game is played.

>No one here is paying for my sub fee? lol?
I love it when people use this line unironically.

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>Every spec is playable outside of raiding
Half true. Every spec is viable outside of the absolute top end of the raiding scene. We're talking about the top 10 or so guilds. Even top 100 guilds have a decent amount of spec/class loyalists playing "shit" specs. If you actually master your spec, you can realistically play whatever you want to as long as you're not expecting to do world first shit. Sure, there are some dumb guilds that discriminate against specs, but any guild worth being in brings the player over the class.

LFG discord would have to be server and faction specific and everyone would have to know about that particular discord on that server for it to work

idk why you even care about it that much, are you THAT anxious to communicate to another human you cant handle it?

It's such a selfish way of looking at the game. It is a community-driven game and the way you play affects others. There's a million single player games out there you could play if you want to do things your own way and don't want anyone to tell you otherwise.

balance might be shit but considering bosses drop maybe 2-4 gear pieces each you cant class stack in classic and get your guild geared fast. once leather caster gear starts dropping in aq and beyond it might be better to bring sub optimal raid members because raid geared meme spec will do more damage than previous tier pure damage class.

Butthurt retailfags are trying to defend it saying "hurrrrr it just parses the chat" (of course they don't even understand what that night entail - it's just a convenient thought-terminating cliché). No shit, of course it parses the chat, but if more that half of you weren't complete fucking retards, you would've examined the code for yourself and concluded that, yes, it is a straight up LFG tool that allows group creation and joining to be completely automated. I don't think that's a bad thing; I would like a LFG addon in Classic, but stop talking about shit if you haven't even looked at the source code. The code doesn't fucking lie.

function ClassicLFGDungeonGroupManager:AddApplicant(applicant)
self.Applicants:AddItem(applicant)
ClassicLFG.EventBus:PublishEvent(ClassicLFG.Config.Events.ApplicantReceived, applicant)
if(ClassicLFG.DB.profile.AutoInvite == true) then
self:ApplicantInvited(applicant)
end
end

function ClassicLFGDungeonGroupManager:ApplicantInvited(applicant)
if (not IsInGroup() or UnitIsGroupLeader("player")) then
InviteUnit(applicant.Name)
applicant.Invited = true
ClassicLFG.EventBus:PublishEvent(ClassicLFG.Config.Events.ApplicantInvited, applicant)
ClassicLFG.Network:SendObject(ClassicLFG.Config.Events.ApplicantInvited, applicant, "PARTY")
end
end

github.com/DomenikIrrgang/ClassicLFG

I did Naxx in a pug as a fist rogue using the ZG weapons and shouting "THEY'RE GREAT" every time the proc happened that turns you into the Tiger God on Northdale. Was actually pretty viable with dual crusader enchants.

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classic nostalgiadrones:
>"omg classic was so great cause there was no handholding and you had to read quest texts and also there was no stupid group finder!
also classic nostalgiadrones:
>has a browser tab of a quest guide open at all times and uses an addon which is essentially the same as group finder

unbelievably hilarious how low IQ classic drones are

>until BC was almost out
ah so it existed in vanilla

>"THEY'RE GREAT"

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There was a time before those existed

Everyone with room temperature IQ or above knows it was made with the intention of automating the grouping process. The dev said in no unclear terms what the aim of the mod was. To prevent "wasting time" and allowing people to "focus on playing the game."

>are you THAT anxious to communicate to another human
I'm not the one throwing hissyfits over a grouping addon :^)
There are A FUCK TON of improvements Classic would massively benefit from, but Vanillapurist retards bust a nerve at the mere thought.
Enjoy your shitty game and you "social aspects" of shouting LFG in trade chat.
Anyone playing Blizzard games in 2019 should be shot and buried anonymous.

dilate

as someone who doesnt play wow what does this mean

if you consider prepatch to be "vanilla"
nobody considers prepatch to be part of the previous expansion, though. it's the first patch of the next expansion. even the version numbers indicate this.

it's great news, but retail players and ff14 players are in despair

And no amount of Blizzard releasing Classic will obliterate the internet to 2004.

Hoes = mad

It was even more fun in PVP. Imagine getting stomped on by tony the tiger hitting for 300-500+ auto attacks and crazy sinister strikes. Only downside is everyone thinks you're a furry for using them.

it means people wanted classic even though they're misremembering it due to nostalgia
now blizzard removed a mod (that lets you find groups for raids more easily) because it wasn't available in vanilla
basically blizzard just trolling faggots who cried for classic

Terrific response.
Go make another post on the official forums about how evil the LFG addon is for literally making people incapable of social interaction by its mere existence.

Devs try to stay as true to the original game as possible by removing addons (mods) that take away too much from the social aspect of the game. Most players support blizzards decision as it makes the game more fun and original.

and who the fuck is asking for that? you stupid dumb retarded faggot
we want classic cuz bfa is horseshit.
kill yourself you mongol

A modder attempted to put a mod in the game that would automate the grouping process. Blizzard said this goes against their philosophy for Classic and that they're going to change the API so the mod doesn't work.

>those tools made the game more accessible
why are zoomers literally incapable of understanding that that's a bad thing?
are they genuinely below 70 IQ?

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>and then just as i went to go through the red portal to access WoD...
>all this fucking waiting with timers like it was a facebook game
>there is one single mission table mission when you are leveling in WoD
>the quest for it is just to start it, so you don't ever need to wait or finish it
You can just say you didn't like playing. You don't need to make shit up.

>all these ABSOLUTE SHITTERS who think that classic is some kind of "open world sandbox" where you don't have to grind like a bitch to get anywhere

So what, do you think you're going to walk into any meaningful endgame content with no potions, no flasks, no runes, no buff food? Do you think people are going to give you gear when all you do is show up and badly heal people and then leave like you're at a burger flipping job? DKP exists for a reason, loot council exists for a reason. You people are going to get fucked in the ass by reality so hard that your ass won't stop bleeding for months.

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dilate

Reminder that Classic is not Vanilla. Classic is an entirely new game. You will never get to experience true Vanilla ever again or for the first time.

They probably haven't been playing the game for over a decade, watching patch after patch of Blizzard undermining and destroying what made the game great. They don't understand what made WoW special or why people would even want to go back to playing 2004-era WoW in the first place.

They can always just do soft res pugs to gear up like normal people do sweetie. Or did you forget how easy the content is to clear in classic?

>bringing up OTHER GAME unprompted
Screams "I'm scared"

>part of the Classic charm is the community coming together to find answers
>2004 literally only had Thottbot for WoW information
>2019 every single aspect of Classic has been datamined, recorded and cataloged, completely removing the need to ask other players for advice
>i-i-i-it will be the exact same experience, p-p-p-people will just not use the internet while playing!
Is there anything sadder than a Vanilladrone?

the problem they're solving is in-game automation that trivializes organization
organization requiring interaction and discussion is a feature, not a bug to be solved

Private servers werent vanilla either but we all played the shit out of them. Whats your point?

Wait nick cage plays WOW?

>it existed during vanilla wow
>B-BUT IT D-DIDN'T REALLY E-EXIST BECAUSE OF ARBITRARY RULES I PERSONALLY SET

Can you make up your mind lil buddy?

Balances actually shits out a ton of damage in later patches, the problem is that you have no sustain and end up casting low ranks of wrath.

This.
the secret of starting a group on your own is to just say LFM. The implication you’ve already got someone speeds it up massively

>WoW players can't handle the grind
Seems about right

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>LF3M Deadmines, need healer and 2 dd
>Faggotanon whispers: ay yo nigga, I'm a healer, inv
The above is not "interaction and discussion" you utter buffoon.

I remember this, we received flak about it for months on the forums and had our in game mailboxes bombed with spam

10/10 worth it, would PVP on a PVP server again

When's retail's next expansion? I'm ready for wow to be truly great again.

if a tool is in the game that makes something easier, people will use it regardless of the effect it has on the health of the game
like imagine there was a sword that trivialized mythic raids in the game. everybody would want that sword, people would spend their time trying to get it. that doesn't mean it's good for the game and in fact it's the opposite, it would be terrible.

if you consider prepatch to be part of the previous expansion, you're not very intelligent

>Confirmed for never having played the game.

Why do you want to play classic if you're trying to add things that ended up making people want classic in the first place? Are you retarded? Are you a zoomer that started playing in WotLK and wants a museum to walk through?

It is quite literally by definition interaction

>idiots saying "thank you blizzard" when they should be saying "thank you classic team"
blizzard has nothing to do with this

>ff14
>third party addons
retard

remember 15 years ago when you would log into the battle.net app and your game launcher would pop up and you would see that list of games like World of Warcraft, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2 and then you would check your battle.net friends list to see which games your bros were all playing? Now THOSE were the good ol days.

Are you really trying to equate forming a group with completing the hardest level of content in the game?

My dick interacted with your mum's fanny, you retarded faggot.

>muh streamlining
>retail has unironically better rotations than frostbolt spam or shadowbolt spam etc garbage
>but noooooooooooo classsic is where it’s at
Pathetic!

it's the start of one
discussion about organization is an ice breaker, it gets people into the mindset of communication being a thing
the other elements are difficulty and length, they all really play together to actually get people talking inside of dungeons about game things and even friending each other to talk outside of them about game and even non-game things

im not saying it will be the same, it will just be 1000 times better than retail wow and any following expansion.
even then classic will be remembered as the best warcraft related game they launched since wotlk
>completely removing the need to ask other players for advice
also this is not true. there is always people asking for advice on anything.

Next August/early September if they keep to their 2 year cycle.

>Have no actual argument so you result to throwing reddit-tier insults
Back to BFA with you zoomer, enjoy your dying game

rent free

What part of my post implied I never played Classic?
I'm honestly just here to laugh at every single retarded piece of shit looking forward to Classic World of Warcraft made by Blizzard in the year 2019.
If the company and year don't alarm you, you're mentally deficient.

no, i'm making a point, and the point is about how players behave
players will always (or almost always) act in ways that are beneficial to themselves, big or small
that doesn't mean that anything that benefits them is necessarily good for the health of the game
here's another example. let's say every quest had a "skip to end" function. EVERYONE would use that function. it would also be very bad for the game.

Read the fucking WoWhead comments lmfao.

classic.wowhead.com/news=294662/classiclfg-addon-will-not-work-in-classic-wow

Everyone is mad, this is great.

>mum
europleb detected; opinion discarded.

>not the fanny part

The part where you implied that looking for a group isn't a social interaction.
Either you're a turbo autist or you've forgotten about the friends you've made looking for and running through dungeons. The good healers you've added to your friends list that you then ended up asking first before you even started looking for people in general. That kind of shit.

This is why i like Yea Forums

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It is wowhead so I'm not surprised.

>Welp now i actually have to comunicate with the giga toxic classic community

Why the fuck would you be interested in playing an MMO with a shit community? What the fuck is the point?

That faggot zoomer doesn't even know, probably still plays retail and thinks he's choosing how he plays.

>This is 2019, not 2004. Gamers are a whole new kind of gamer now. You either let them play how they want to play, or they wont play at all.

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that may be true, but this particular action they've taken does not demonstrate that
the team in charge of classic has, at the very least, demonstrated an understanding of why people want classic
it's not just the gameplay, it's the philosophy of game design that underlies it, and they've been respectful of that
now, maybe we can argue about individual pieces and whether they need to be preserved or not, and in fact that's probably the same discussion they've had about most of the game elements they've worked on, but at the very least the classic team's done a decent job of explaining their decisions in the context of "classic wow design philosophy"
even with the two major things i disagree with them on (layering and not having original av), they've at least explained their reasoning and it makes sense, i just disagree with them on it

I can lay out a bunch of ways LFG objectively improved the game, but there's probably no point. Where you see some kind of community building exercise, I see fifteen to twenty minute wait times for someone to find and make their way into the dungeon, at which point you discover they have no clue how to play the game. I see being forced to sit there and indulge a bunch of people I don't generally want to spend any time associating with when I could just be accomplishing the objective I set out to accomplish. I recall very vividly what it was like in vanilla to sit around trying to find a group with nothing else to do except shitpost in trade chat.

>Why the fuck would you be interested in playing an MMO with a shit community? What the fuck is the point?
It's the same reason people complain about America being such a horrible place, while enjoying the luxuries that America affords them. i.e. champagne socialists in LA, or northern Europeans who enjoy rich social benefits without ever having to pay their fair share into NATO, and on and on it goes

Basically, "toxic" right wingers are the only people who produce anything of value.

God smite these addon defenders and discord users.

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I was talking more about how whatever he said that was "inappropriate" being removed by some shitty unpaid mod. At least the mods here will just delete the whole thread.

Wojaks are the true sign of zoomer. All classic posts should use classic Yea Forums reactions for the true classic experience.

Great move Blizz, well done.

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Sad that moments like these will never happen in classic anymore and if they do then you'll get banned

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>You can't play mmos from 2004 and hope it will be same as before. Just wake up.

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>with nothing else to do except shitpost in trade chat.
again, that's a feature, not a bug

i mean i can agree to disagree with you. i do think there are implementations of the system that can work. i think the premade groups feature in legion was one such implementation. if they had something like that built in, i wouldn't mind. and maybe i'm wrong and an lfg addon wouldn't make the game worse.

the reasoning the classic team is using is that they're erring on the side of fewer changes. the reason they're doing this, at least initially, is because they want to make sure they don't interfere with the parts that made vanilla good, even if it means also keeping the parts that made it not as good. as time goes on and they learn what actually did and didn't make the game healthy, it's possible they might start making some changes, they're just being overly cautious at this point

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>People thinking that this is preserve their ''Classic'' experience. You do realise that people will just use Discord overlay etc to recreate the LFG mechanic from retail?

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i'm 99.9% sure this never happened in classic and instead happened on a private server

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>Yeah. This elitist attitude is EXACTLY what has caused the retail community to despise the classic community.
>People don't care about what other people play. What they do care, is the classic community's toxicity for years, which at this point has generated as a reaction a lot of hate towards classic (IMO more directed towards its community, not the game itself).

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And you would be correct, but at the same time, i would be banned for trolling this dude in blizzard's classic

You can't name one good thing that LFG added to the game that outweighs the damage it has done.

Ignoring that, why do you want to play this game? If the most basic and least social aspect of the game is such a drag for you how do you enjoy group PvP or raiding?
What reason do you even have to run dungeons? Is it gear? What are you using that gear for that doesn't require you to group up with people?

I was quoting a post on Wowhead you mouthbreathing mongoloid.

>STANDING DOING NOUT
what did he mean by this

>I look at all the toxic people here against this add on and you people defend Vanilla/classic of how the community was? Naw I'll pass. I can see now all the elitist when classic drops. Reason #156 why I won't be playing classic.

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probably, and i don't think you would have back then, so valid point
on the bright side, you'd probably only be banned for like a day or something

But you never played Classic you confused, trans-obsessed kid.

>I see being forced to sit there and indulge a bunch of people I don't generally want to spend any time associating with when I could just be accomplishing the objective I set out to accomplish.
zoomer
>WAHHHHH I JUST WANT TO PRESS BUTTON AND HIT THE LOOT PINATA IN SILENCE, THEN FUCK OFF
kill yourself

>Why play Retail:
MOGS
PETS
CHEEVOS

>You don't pay my sub
It's like I'm really back playing XIV

look at this pathetic rat

No clue. That guy was rank 14 on Northdale and would all caps everything in every BG and make a ton of spelling errors. Pretty sure he was eastern European or something.
That's why i'm having my guildies pay for me to join classic with WOW tokens. if i get banned it won't mean shit to me. Checkmate blizzard.
Point being?

I'm glad braindead retards like this won't keep playin Classic past the first week.

I find the desire to preserve vanilla as much as is viable in the face of new technology to be defensible. LFG wasn't in the game until a very late point in vanilla, and people want an authentic experience. I say give the people what they want. I'm not trying to say that LFG "should" be in the game, but I do think that the rhetoric about the LFG tool's borderline cosmic evil deserves counterpoint, because LFG arose as a reaction to dynamics in the game at the time. To take an "I am right, you are wrong" approach to the issue ignores completely its history. The salient point isn't that LFG is bad and nobody can mount a rational defense of it -- it's that more people seem to want it gone than those who want it in. That it falls along the overall developmental philosophy of providing an authentic vanilla experience is a convenience.

Yaaaaaaaaaas!

Yeah, which is the part people will conveniently try and gloss over when they say "w-well we had addons just like it in vanilla!". Parsing LFG and putting that data into a nice looking bun is fine (by Blizzards standards), setting up a literal LFG substitute that automatically forms groups is not.

>horde player
everytime

the only thing I would miss is DK
I love DK, but DK I love is dead on retail too so meh, warrior it is

>>NOOOOOOOOOO STOP IT DONT PLAY IT BLIZZARD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE NOW ALL MY TOONS ON RETAIL WILL BECOME WORTHLESS SHIT I PLAYED VANILLA NOT YOU IT WAS A GAME OF ITS TIME STOP DONT PLAY LOOK AT MY CHEEVOS IM SPECIAAAALLL

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That argument is retarded every time I read it because Call to Arms was so fucking trash that nobody used it, regardless of any community aspect. I don't understand why people keep repeating it.

By all means, add CTA back, but anything near what ClassicLFG is can fuck off.

the faggot.net app didnt exist 15 years ago retard
and sc2 and diablo 3 didnt exist either. kys

>Checkmate blizzard.
the thing about tokens is they're still making $20 off each one

>LFG arose as a reaction to dynamics in the game at the time
you're correct, if anything i just think the (initial) implementation was poorly considered and a mistake
to be fair to them, they did try other things before they put in the actual LFG tool that's in the game now, but none of them really worked. then when the LFG tool was implemented and was heavily used, they mistook its popularity for being the right implementation.
i'd honestly like to see an iteration of wow with premade groups but no LFG because i think it would work pretty well

>H to I

what kind of bullshit is that

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I'll bite. My first MMO experience was with UO in the mid nineties. I moved on to EQLive until Ykesha or so. On WoW's release, I jumped ship and have been playing much more on than off since. My opinions are actually borne of a literally lifelong passion for MMO's. I find it fucking hilarious that someone who probably quit WoW and hasn't played seriously in years is going to try to pretend that they're more qualified to have an opinion than I am.

By the way, that opinion is that vanilla sucks overall compared to retail. Without the endless grind mechanics in retail, I'd be able to shit on vanilladrones without the slightest shred of reticence.

Don't they start work on the next expansion right when the previous one drops, meaning that any changes made as a result of Classic's success won't come until 10.0?

Can anyone confirm is classic wow has macros that let you drop into lua to make decisions? I used to be able to put lua in macros to check to see if I had buffs on me, then call another macro based on that. Overtime they patched out more and more macro functionality. If they care about the vanilla experience with regards to the api I assume they allow this again.

>the thing about tokens is they're still making $20 off each one
so? I didn't pay for it.
also fuck you and your LFG, I felt nausea after running a dungeon on retail, it's like playing with bots

>the thing about tokens is they're still making $20 off each one
and all those extra $5 will be going towards making new content for Classic!

Imagine wasting your time with useless people and not making any progress towards the objective you want to complete, huh... really makes you think...

can' you just glance at buff timer and reapply it?

What's wrong ZoomZoom? Couldn't make friends and run dungeons with them?

>so? I didn't pay for it.
you're enabling the market, which means you're indirectly supporting blizzard. which is fine if you don't care, but then it's not really a checkmate for blizzard

>also fuck you and your LFG, I felt nausea after running a dungeon on retail, it's like playing with bots
i wasn't disagreeing with that though, i don't like LFG

if they actually made new content for classic i'd probably be a lot more willing to forgive their other jewish practices

I used to make friends in the dungeon, son, now it's impossible because everyone rushing and not talking at all

user, why are you pretending to be me
Wait really? What the fuck. I thought they were bought with in game gold? Never played retail.

9.0 will have all the same shit everyone hated about the last three expansions. Timegates and a shitty gearing system designed to make you waste your time and stay subscribed. The reason Classic's such a big deal is because as a video game it's genuinely a better product.

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so the ability to talk is there but the players choose not to. got it

no, someone else pays blizzard and puts it on AH

These are the same autists that sit on discord more than they play the game. Talk about ironic.

It did not exist in Vanilla, FUCK OFF
>But m-muh meeting stone queue
NEVER LET ANYONE TELL YOU SLIPPERY SLOPE IS NOT REAL

That's fucking hilarious. I can't even be mad. Well played blizzard, well played. I can't even imagine how fucked the economy on a blizz retail server is with that hot garbage.

That's because Discord is a community which is what Classic was all about.

No it wasn't shut up fucking zoomer filth

>Sub for name reservation
>Get curious about my old retail account, log in to check it out
>Every single character has had their rotation chopped down to a handful of offensive abilities plus one or two offensive CDs
>99% of your rotation is available by lvl60 and literally never evolves past that point
>Half the talents are either dogshit, useless, or situational to the point where you don't want ANYTHING from the entire tier
>Quest rewards have a random chance to roll up a rarity, meaning shit ass fetch quests can potentially hand out blues, and "hard" quests can give out fucking EPICS
Is this a fucking joke? Also holy hell I've never felt more insulted by this game than when they just hand you the fucking ASHBRINGER and start sucking you off and telling you how cool you are as if you didn't just scoop it off the ground after 2 shotting some no name shitter demon. Don't even get me started on how they just offed Tirion like he was some fucking no-name jobber.

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>I felt nausea after running a dungeon on retail
Why? It's literally the exact same as Vanilla/BC, except without the initial "LF1DPS VC" "19 rogue here, invite"

>Wait really? What the fuck. I thought they were bought with in game gold? Never played retail.
Tokens involve two players.

Player 1 buys a token for 20USD on the store. They then have three options
>use it as a month's sub time (retarded because it's 5USD more than a month of gametime)
>convert it to 15USD in battle.net balance
>put it on the AH

Player 2 goes to the AH and buys from a pool of wow tokens and has two options
>use it as a month's sub time (basically exchange gold for game time)
>convert it to 15USD in battle.net balance (buy other blizzard stuff via in-game gold)

The system was designed to make money, curtail gold selling, and give players who play a lot an option to pay for their sub with in-game currency. It's kind of a win-win-win. Blizzard makes a flat $5 off whatever happens to the token. Player 1 who has a lot of money but not much time to play gets gold, Player 2 who has gold but is poor/doesn't want to pay gets basically real-money value out of their gold.

>ClassicLFG was literally a chat filter
>Zoomers get angry when CTA worked basically the same way

>Vanilla/BC

Which one is it faggot? TBC dungeons weren't like vanilla dungeons.

I prefer gold sellers to be frank.

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>It's literally the exact same as Vanilla/BC
nah it's not, it's very non stop right now, no pauses, TBC dungeons were chill in comparison

Even for otherwise pretty dedicated players, the grind mechanics are getting to be almost overwhelming, especially when you layer them on top of, and as entry barriers to, other time consuming content like raiding. I'm personally more than happy to raid 9-12 hours a week and do m+ recreationally and for gear. What I'm not happy about is when in order to raid even at a mid mythic level, on top of my 9-12 a week I'm doing at least an hour a day in world quests to keep up on my endless grind mechanics. It's fucking crazy, and it's the major issue above all else that blizzard needs to address in the next expansion if they want players like me to stick around. It sucks because I love the game and am willing to sacrifice time for it but they just want more time than I can give.

By the way, the world first race is also basically delineated by how much time is spent grinding, preparing for the raid.

>single player faggots who ruined the game by being catered towards are QQing that they can't quickly form dungeons without talking to anyone
Good, fuck off and stay in retail.

NOOOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED TO INTERACT WITH OTHER PEOPLE

I WANT TO PLAY CLASSIC BECAUSE MY FAVORITE STREAMERS ALL ARE GOING TO PLAY IT BUT I WANT ALL THE RETAIL FEATURES THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO DROP RETAIL AND WANT TO GO BACK TO CLASSIC!!!

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>Acts like rotations are complex
>Plays a ret paladin

This shitflinging is getting ridiculous and the game isn't even out yet.

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What do you mean? Discord is the new LFG/LFR.

everyone just bored because it's not out yet

Am i the only one who is going to miss world chat? Seems like an amazing feature that makes interaction a bit easier and would make completely obsolete.

>tfw a guildm8 gets hacked
>you see his character in trade chat selling all of his shit for cheap
>you buy all the good stuff

>Why? It's literally the exact same as Vanilla/BC, except without the initial "LF1DPS VC" "19 rogue here, invite"
ROFL
stop it faggot you never fucking played anything past legion
fucking kill yourself, you wont convince anyone to play your dying bad skinnerbox bullshit

>Which one is it faggot? TBC dungeons weren't like vanilla dungeons.
Yes they were you absolute retard. In both the only interaction that happened 99% of the time was asking for an invite or the occasional "sheep moon". Before the automatic tools were added, most people made groups, did the fucking dungeon and unless something went horribly wrong, went on their way without ever saying much.

I don't know why nostalgiafags pretend every dungeon run pre-WotLK involved becoming life-long best friends with four people and talking about your hopes and dreams usually ending with you getting invited to their wedding after the dungeon is over. It was no different than it is today. Something goes wrong and you get shit talking, occasionally you say a few things or meet some rare person you get along with, occasionally you make comments about needing/wanting loot, the rest of the fucking time they are pug strangers you didn't ever give a shit about.

He's just the one I stepped into ""new"" content with since I've had him since vanilla; I'd tested a dozen+ specs between all of my alts and was disappointed by basically every single one. Demonology Lock was at least mildly enjoyable, if only for the Diablo 2-esque minion swarm you can conjure up.

Good. Some add-ons are so convenient that permitting them is the same as putting them in the game. They will become part of the metagame and impossible to escape. They will affect you even if you don't use them, the way smartphones changed the world around people who didn't buy them. Even if the add-on only replaces a small, seemingly insignificant social interaction, hey, at least it's something. Whether somebody tersely says "inv" or excitedly says "I can go!" tells you something about the person. It's a lot better than a player being spat into your group by a machine. The ice-cold soulless automation of retail is exactly what Classic fans are trying to get away from.

the real sad part is that the artifact weapons were actually one of the better systems they've had in the game recently
they offered actual meaningful character progression and had good story content to go along with them
the idea of everyone having an ashbringer is still fucking dumb as shit though

>Selling all the good stuff
Like flasks? Was he an enchanter? Those are really the only things that i think would be worthwhile buying.

it will be there, not everyone is discord autist
but guilds will be shit. everything will be happening in discord. everything.

I met my wife and her 3 boyfriends running SM.

Very few rotations are less complex than they used to be, it's just talents have little impact on them anymore and they've become better at removing the clunk.

Brit slang for doing fuck all

You're alright, user.

Sounds like a Zoomer doesn't know CTA existed.

nobody used it.

homefags holding W's

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This is a fucking great sign.

What's your point? That classic rotations and specs are going to be somehow more interesting and unique than retail? I don't play DPS so I can't comment with a huge amount of authority, but some people I respect have said that DPS classes are a little too homogenized lately. What I can say is that healing specs are the best they've ever been in any MMO ever. Each one is unique and has its own strengths, weaknesses, and defining abilities.

[citation needed]

>Nobody used CTA
>That means this tool is against Classic!

Sounds like you're trying to fucking cope at the idea of a fucking chat filter UI.

Buzzwords aside, you're completely wrong. My guild's discord for classic is majority 30 years+ and played wow on release.

what do you mean? there is an auto run button.

>NOOOOO LFG ADDON IS BAD
>YOU NEED TO HAVE DISCORD TO GET A GROUP OR A GUILD BRO

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told ya my money was on Blizzard fucking up the game, kids.

>Not binding "Z" to autorun
>Not binding Shift-X for mount

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Go play retail, why are you trying to "improve" Classic?

>using those keys for anything other than combat abilities
Not gonna make it...

Incorrect

That is basically how Northdale was as well. Don't even bother with guilds my dude, start running pugs yourself instead. You can ress items and even GBid shit away if you want to get rich. Unless you want to be a nice guy and make it a soft ress system like i did and counter act that karma by just fishing in AV while making groups. Eventually enough people will be in your pug discord to do whatever the fuck you want. Shit, i knew a hunter who did this and pugged thundrfury for shits and giggles.

Retail rotations are literally just Vanilla one button rotations except (ironically) bloated across 5 or so generic filler moves. They aren't interesting, they aren't hard, they aren't complicated, they aren't ANYTHING. Vanilla can at least get away with it because it's supporting mechanics can help carry the slack, but Retail has nothing else going for it so the flaws shine brighter.

hm, I always clicked on mount and binded to middle mouse button

>not binding g for laugh emote

>Not using asd for movement and qwertfvcxz12345 for abilities
Pleb

>muh rotations

Using 3 skills and having to be aware of the world because I can actually die if I'm retarded > Having to use complex situational rotations to maximize DPS but could just roll my face on my keyboard and still win

this is what turns me off the most. I liked comfy guild chats.

>Retail rotations are just vanilla one button rotations
>But with several buttons

Are you a retard.

So you literally didn't play in Vanilla where half the fights were tank and spank or debuff fights?

>Not binding the key under "Esc" for stealth / hunter's mark / taunt
Shameless

> "Z" to autorun
>rebinding sheath weapon hotkey
Spotted the unimmersive fagbag

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Do people really think playing this will bring them back to 15 years ago? Stop living in the past. It's not going to be the same.

Did you read what I wrote?

"c" for stealth, what are you? console baby?

this guy gets it
Sick of all these retail fags who act like mythic plus requires a PHD and korean tier reaction times

I truly think that you guys have actual autism and that's why you think no one talked or enjoyed talking while making and running dungeons.

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C for crouch, come on.

>C
>not ctrl

I did, you seem to think Vanilla was complex or dangerous for anyone and not wiping due to bad tanking.

>I am only capable of taking statements literally and at face value
Are you a retard? They're the same as in they're both just thoughtless filler used to facilitate PvE encounters, retail just pretends otherwise by having you mash five meaningless buttons instead of one.

>C for crouch
absolutely disgusting

Well the Pug system i mentioned above is a great way to get recruited and or recruit players to your guild since you'll know they are actually competent at the game. On top of that, you'll always have people to play with or do off raids with if your guild isn't interested. Trust me, it isn't that bad.
>Not binding stealth to mouse 4
Kek

>Not binding "B" to blind / berserker rage and "Shift-B" to open all bags
God step it tf up

>I-I didn't mean my argument literally

Your argument is retarded then, because that sums up MMO combat period.

>Not binding f for Blade flurry
Absolutely bluepilled

Mouse 4 is kick or shield bash

Please go back to your BR server so I don't have to deal with your ESL nonsense anymore.

If it existed in vanilla then give me a screenshot of it and the addon name you larping zoom zoom

That's not even close to true though but to prove you wrong I have to first educate you, in depth, on specific class mechanics in a way which probably won't make sense to you anyway if you have your "five button" opinion in the first place. If you want to educate yourself, look up the differences between subtlety rogue in classic vs retail.

You bind Blind to P for "please stop hurting me", retard.

i used x

F is for bloodrage
Shift-F is bandage

>Not having an epic gamer mouse with extra buttons for autorun/mount

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>Not binding Shift-1 for battle stance, Shift-2 for defensive stance, and Shift-3 for Berserker Stance
God how are you even alive

Stop pretending the difficulty in Vanilla was from wrangling 40 spergs and not any of the actual mechanics.

>Playing Warrior at all
I don't hate myself that much

hm, I used F123 for stances

>complex situational rotations to maximize DPS
??????
youtube.com/watch?v=xetghj7GBWE
so your "complex situation" here is to press 4 or 2 when the giant thing on screen pops up?
waow.

What did I tell you, ESL? You can't even read a two sentence post where I ALSO called Vanilla combat "thoughtless filler" yet you expect me to treat you like a human?

You didn't then, ok
You're specifically focusing on the part where I said you might die if you fuck up and not on the part where everything in BfA is so fucking simple to do that those rotations are useless.
Some quests in Classic are harder and require more engagement than most dungeons in BfA.
I could go through dungeons while leveling while working full time and strocking my dick at the same time, just because I looked flashy while doing it doesn't make it better.

>not binding skull to middle mouse, cross to shift-middle mouse, moon to F1, blue square to F2, purple diamond to F3 and star to F4 and green diamond to F5
Enjoy taking hours to mark targets and pull, amateur tanking.

And don't forget: Shift+C CHARACTER PANE CREW

I unironically couldn't live without one.

i swear i could win at dps vs any retail faggot here claiming its hard while using 3 chars at a time

I like how you retards focus on just parts of the argument you don't like.

I had the old 2010 "WoW Cataclysm MMO Gaming Mouse™" from SteelSeries®. It wasn't very good. The sensor is shit and the mhweel has fucked up so hard that it can't scroll up anymore. It just always scrolls down no matter what.

Rec me a good MMO mouse

80% of the tourists and casuals will quit in the first 2 weeks.

>Not binding Pause Break to toggle run / walk
Pathetic casuals

>Pop your buffs on CD, sync them if mutliple are available
>Spam filler (Shadowstrike if in Shadow Dance, Backstab otherwise)
>Use finisher (Nightblade if its falling off, otherwise Eviscerate)
Retail rotations are a fucking joke, and the fact that you think otherwise is enough for me to throw your opinions out the window.

My go to for making groups in Vanilla was opening up player search, filtering by level 60, and then just spam whispering every player online "LFM Scholo, /w me for inv". Almost always worked.

Just like nost

>not binding shift+mouse4 for your ranged pull option as a tank
christ just quit before u start

g600 is good and low price
I miss my old razor naga but they don't make em like they used to

>475297874
No you couldn't, now stop fishing for (you)'s.

this is what I do to ally pvp players

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>hey guys join our ventrilo LFG channel

You're such a fucking zoomer fucktard it physically hurts to read your shitpost

>Retail rotations are a fucking joke

Not compared to classic """"""""""""""""""rotations"""""""""""""""""".

>Taking communication out of the game and onto a different platform entirely
Discord is the reason guild chats are dead as fuck and no one speaks in retail live

Those nelfs were asking for it.

Just playing a NElf at all is asking for it

Yeah i sure hate looking for groups, talking to people and maybe making friends that would allow me to skip the process entirely

GgaZI cant stand modern gamers and what they do with these reductionist sentences. Add shit that removes aspects of the game and pretend its cutting through the fat

I knew it was going to be either this or BM hunter, the two simplest, retard mode specs in the game. Look at sub rogue opener and then watch the fight until second burst window.
>more engagement than most dungeons in BfA
Want to know how I know you're talking out your ass and have never pushed a high key in m+? This whole mentality signifies a dumb desire for your average, garden variety dungeon to have the same level of engagement as a mechanically challenging high m+ key. Nobody gives a shit about basic ass dungeons. The real reason retail players don't care about this content being soulless is because it's basic and easy. If it weren't, nobody would want to be doing it with the kind of retards you get matched with in LFG. It's always people who don't play the game caring about LFG because they don't see it as completely trivial content completely beneath the notice of anyone with a brain. Then they go on to assume that there is no such content, WHEN IN REALITY, the fucking content they're looking for with player made groups and more interaction is actually in the fucking game as mythic plus, but for some reason they completely ignore it. It's like they're incapable of even recognizing that the m+ system is a refined version of the nebulously defined no-LFG grouping system they reach for in a vague direction.

You guys haven't played WoW in a long time, you don't know or have experience with basic game mechanics or a good handle on rotations, but you for some reason want to be taken as the heralds of "what is wrong with WoW?" How does this make shit for sense in your heads? I'm sincerely curious.

Nulore asside tyrion was a jobber in wotlk. If the rest of the raid didnt hold his hand in icc he would be a deathknight right now and assbringer would be corrupted again

Well yeah, that's why we got layering in P1. Blizzard finally realized that making a million servers for the initial onslaught is pointless when the vast majority of the players clogging up the queues are gone a couple weeks later and all those realms will be dead or dying. At least he LightsHope guys merged servers when that happened.

>the fucking content they're looking for with player made groups and more interaction is actually in the fucking game as mythic plus
clicking a button to request an invite and getting invited or rejected solely on the basis of your class/item level/some score on a 3rd party website by people who play on different servers that you're never going to interact with again?

yep, that's just like classic!

>for some reason they completely ignore it

Is it really that weird that people prefer a set dungeon difficulty?
This may be easier than current m+ stuff, but not being able to experience something unless you bring a modicum of skill and coordination goes a long way in an MMO.
Tourist-level difficulty options are pure cancer. Having the option to turn it up doesn't negate that fact.

Sunder Armor: Q
Revenge: E
Bloodrage: F
Charge: Shift-R
Shield Slam: Mouse5
Shield Bash: Mouse4
Shoot Gun: Shift-Mouse4
Heroic Strike: Shift-Q
Shield Block: R
Stances: Shift1-
Shouts: 1-3
Intercept: 4 in 'Zerker Stance hotbar
Berserker Rage: B
Last Stand: Ctrl-1
Shield Wall: Ctrl-4
Eat: Shift+Spacebar
Bandage: Shift-F
Thunderclap: X
Disarm: Shift-E
Taunt: `
Target Marks: Middle Mouse w/ shift mod and F1-F5 keys

Yeah... I think it's time to boom all over again

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>>Look at sub rogue opener
>It's literally just "buff, spam filler, apply bleed, eviscerate"
oh fuck my almonds... THEYRE ACTIVATING
The fact that you keep carting out this spec makes me assume you believe this to be an outstanding example of difficulty, yes? I can only imagine how braindead the "average" spec must be if you consider this to be noteworthy.

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EPIC MEME FELLOW 9GA-I MEAN 4CHANNELER
EVERYONE I DON'T LIKE IS LE EPIC LE ZOOMER XDD XDDD DDD

See, this is actually wrong. Sub rogue is all about packing as many CD's as possible into an encounter while also planning ahead to ensure that you can line up minor cooldowns with major ones. In addition, there's very little "spamming," because subs energy regenerates very slowly. The focus is on not overcapping energy to have enough available when it comes time for the burst window you must have saved your other resources for -- all this while managing mechanics and movement which is another topic on its own.
>compared to classic:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Br1hXGXJ7Tg

I think what makes classic for me is the fact that there are more interesting abilities, classes fill unique niches, and items/gear can fundamentally change how you play your class rather than just all being stat sticks. It was never about "going home" or "reliving the magic". I just like the idea of playing a good game

what an absolute garbage thread, holy shit

It's a fucking swede what do you expect

>I knew it was going to be either this or BM hunter, the two simplest, retard mode specs in the game. Look at sub rogue opener and then watch the fight until second burst window.

the one you mentioned has a decent rotation, its not hard, in a day of practice any decent player will master it.

there is only 2 specs with a decent rotation and only 1 spec with a hard rotation the rest are retarded mode like you said.
and i wont name them because you will compare it to a 15 year old game fuck you retard piece of shit retail wow smells like garbage

Also by the time Mythic was available in BfA most people had stopped playing.

Wow damn that's literally vanilla rogue rotatiom but slice and dice and sinister strike have different names this time lmao

We have 12-button mice these days grandpa, binding optimization not needed

Compare it to LITERALLY any classic spec. Also, that's just your opener/main burst window, brainlet. Mid encounter you have to be using your minor cooldowns when available while also handling complex raid mechanics and having the ability to set up to do it again while doing all of the above. If you think that's easy, you've never tried it.

>>while also planning ahead to ensure that you can line up minor cooldowns with major ones
>planning ahead
They're literally on on CDs with a multiple of 15; you can just pop them as they become ready and they naturally align.
>>In addition, there's very little "spamming,"
Spamming is spamming, regardless of speed. Vanilla spams Sinister Strike, you spam Backstab/Shadowstrike.
>>The focus is on not overcapping energy to have enough available when it comes time for the burst window you must have saved your other resources for
Is a very drawn out way of saying "enter Shadow Dance with less than 60 energy if SoD is available".

>i did
>so everyone else did it

no, you are living in your own world really

>and also its funny that nobody wants those specs in their setup because they do trash damage compared to the rest braindead specs
nice design bfatards

OK guys you can keep arguing about how much better and more complex retail is but at the end of the day retail is dying for a reason.
Let's see how Classic goes, you might be joining soon.

Complex rotations aren't necessarily a good thing. Who wants to play a shitty dps minigame when trying to coordinate with 39 other players and kill big bosses?
That just distracts you from everything around you, same for too many in-your-face boss mechanics, with copious amounts of "BEWARE"-style raid warnings.

>Retail FAGGOTS seething hard that this game is literally not for them in any way
>Based Blizzard BTFO'ing their shit attempts to make it for them
>Classic WoW team know their market, don't want to lose it
"Fuck off back to retail, don't ruin this game again" ~ user 2019

Being better than Classic rotations was never the arguement you retard.
>Also, that's just your opener/main burst window, brainlet.
The rotation is literally the same thing except drip fed over 30 second windows, aka EASIER. "Use buffs and maintain bleeds, spam filler otherwise" is the entire rotation.

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What the hell.
I certainly didn't expect them to be this based about it.
Are they coming to their senses and realizing that Classic will be more successful then they initially thought?

>Don't even get me started on how they just offed Tirion like he was some fucking no-name jobber.
I find that fucking hilarious to be honest because i took it as him being retarded with his wording in the lich king fight.
He asked for one final blessing.

>Blessing of Might
>seal
>right click

Get on my level, scrub

>One only has battle content going for it
>The other does not
Hmmm, I wonder why Classic would have different standards? Compare gameplay to something like BC/Wrath/Cata if you want to sound not retarded.

>WoW retail for people who want to play a ruined game
>They come to another game and demand that it be ruined the way they like it
Imagine going to a three Michelin star restaurant and demanding that the chef cook you a steak diane well done

a addon for wow that existed in vanilla, but not every casual shitter knew about it which helped to make it actually usable.

Don't play the game if you don't like the game, you inbred bastard.

humans...
dwarves...
gnomes...
nelves...

I WILL RAPE THEM ALL

You usually ask people in the /who as well, you know?
I mean, that's what you do when you're not completely autistic and you don't get enough answers in the general.

Isn't that what is happening with californians in texas and other states?
Eural eurofag here and I fear we may be treading a similar path soon, as we always do.

>Retailcucks consider popping buffs on CD and maintaining a single dot to be apex difficulty
lmao, no wonder so many of you fucks get filtered in XIV

Go back

Good luck raping dwarves. They have super hairy and buffed up ass cheeks. It will mangle your tauren cock

to where?

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Rude

>look at anything asmongoloid related regarding this change
>people genuinely think because he has a huge viewerbase to pull groups from it's hypocritical
do these retards not understand he's a minority and people genuinely didn't want this addon?

Yeah, I don't know how many other ways I can stress that doing all this while doing anything that's close to current content is not easy. You have to do these things while managing boss uptime and extraneous movement mechanics. This is way more complex than classic. You've gone to great lengths to tell me how basic you think the rotation is. You've done little to nothing to address how classic offers more complexity and depth in combat mechanics.

blizzard specifically said sub rogue was their "masterplan class"
>comparing it to classes that were never meant to be complex in their first version of the game
>If you think that's easy, you've never tried it.
>If you think that's easy, you've never tried it.

confirmed trash player

It's not, there was a barebones LFG tool in 1.12 already. It's just that no one used it until they added some more features to it in WotLK. That shit was good, you could queue up for a few dungeons and you still had to talk to people and shit to get groups. Faggots just mix up the LFG tool with LFD.

>psst, hey kid you wanna do deadmines?
HEY LOOK MOM I HAVE A NEW FRIEND I LOVE BEING SOCIAL
VANILLA IS SO GOOD
GOING HOME

it forces you to make friends in the game so forming a group is easier down the line.

It's funny because in XIV basically every other time I do group content with randoms they're going "wow best healer 2019" and stupid shit like that. I know I'm hot shit but I don't have the heart to tell them that XIV is my side game and I barely play it.

It’s amazing how this shows the degree of autism LFG tool players have.
I don’t mean meme autism, either. Look me in the eye and tell me that refusing to speak outside of
>inv
>wait
>CC
Isn’t crippling autism.
Thank fuck you faggots are getting quarantined where you belong.

>Hey bro ur a pretty good tank
>Thanks man yeah the enemies all die prty fast with you around
>Ey we should like team up bro
>Ayeah i'll hit you with a friend request one sec

Damn was that so hard, zoomo

>You've done little to nothing to address how classic offers more complexity and depth in combat mechanics.
Feel free to point out anywhere in the reply chain where people were ironically claiming Classic rotations were harder. The most you'll find is
>Classic gameplay in general was more dangerous in classic, requiring you to use more of your kit to survive
and
>Retail rotations are a joke
Both of which are true. Also
>You have to do these things while managing boss uptime and extraneous movement mechanics.
Is a useless and empty statement without providing examples.

It's like some people have nothing better to do than to come to Yea Forums just to seethe

Nah man Asmongold told me it's going to fail so I won't be getting a sub for it.

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Yeah, I'm a disc priest main if we're being honest. CE every tier since nighthold, so if we want to talk about healing specs, that's something I can talk about way more authoritatively. If we're being completely honest, blizz seems to have dramatically simplified BFA sub rogue from when I played it much more in legion.

Anyone else just trying this shit out of curiosity for a month, hoping it's something like Ragnarok, XI or EQ?

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Probably because healing is very easy in XIV. DPS rotations in WoW are hilariously fucking easy compared to anything in XIV, which is pretty bad considering I found every DPS in XIV to be easy to play.

>You have to do these things while managing boss uptime and extraneous movement mechanics.
Sure seems like a good idea to design your core gameplay in such a way that it turns into rancid dogshit outside of 1% of the games content.

>Saw asmongold

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lol cope

This is what I was originally replying to, a cherrypicked example of the simplest spec in the game purporting to evidence every spec in the game being simple.

MOOOOM IM HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH A HUMAN BEING
STOP TELLING ME IM NOT SOCIAL

>purporting to evidence every spec in the game being simple.
Which is correct. What that /isn't/, is someone claiming Classic rotations are more complex.

I don't think XIV rotations are fundamentally harder than in WoW, but they are more obtuse in many ways.

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>They "fixed" hunter traps
>They "fixed" orc shaman totems
>They "fixed" the skeletons
>They "fixed" the addons

What will ActivisionBlizzard "fix" next? Place your bets!

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Vanilla was a massive success
TBC was momentum of that success
WotLK was stagnation
Everything after was a decline
It's clear to anyone with half a brain that the direction they choose was bad and it ruined the game. But somehow they keep pushing same expansion model every two year and wonder why they lose all the subs and have 500k people playing in BfA. Either Classic will be a wake up call for them or nothing will save Blizzard and the company will crumble in next few years.

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what about traps and totems? wtf are you talking about

every spec (like 20) is basic trash meant to be played by down syndrome audience except 3.

>BRROOOOOO ONLY 3 DAYS UNTIL CLASSIC WE'RE GOING HOME BROS

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Looks like we're at an impasse. I can't convince you that the executing WoW rotations under current raid content isn't easy because you won't accept your fundamental, direct inexperience with them as a possibility in your view of a game (that you don't fucking play) being simple or easy. I think any rational person would acknowledge that their lack of direct experience should give them a slight degree of uncertainty as to their opinion, but maybe that's just me.

3 days until we can laugh at classicfags, retailbros
clips.twitch.tv/FunAverageYamSeemsGood

You mean 2 days and 10 hours

I don't get it, for real. And thread is already too big to search for it. If you don't like it, don't use it? Or are you scared that the majority of people would use it and you would be left behind? I seriously don't get it.

I'M SO EXCITED Yea ForumsROOOO
BEEN WATCHING e-celebrity names that for some reason I am in the know as if it's not entirely pathetic STREAMS ALL DAY

It doesn't take knowledge of a specific game (or in this case, specific expansion) to know that a simple rotation does not become hard no matter what mechanics you throw at it. I've played WoW, I've played Rift, I've played XIV, I've played TERA, I've played pretty much any combat-centric MMO you can name and NONE of them have ever managed to turn a rotation from water into wine through encounter design. The exception being any classes that rely on per fight CD mapping and mechanic memorization (ala XIV Black Mage) which Sub Rogue (a generic as they come melee DPS) clearly is not.

Not sure about traps but apparently shaman totems will no longer benefit from the orc racial bonus, even though they did in vanilla, I guess that was changed due to balance.

Finally, all the zoomers will be playing classic and the true retail chads will be free to push keystones without interference

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>>Some optional addon can add the LFG system even to classic

It can't add the LFG system to Classic, because it can't port you to the instance, invite cross-server or replace anyone who drops mid-run. All it could do in fact was automatically form a group for you which, whilst not something I'm interested in, isn't something to get everyone's collective panties in a knot. The fucking hysteria over this has been insane. It's not the LFG system.

I'm not a big fan of the streaming men but kek. Right on the button.

>people don't think a tool facilitating group-finding is a QoL change
It's not the sterile LFG that retail has now lmao I'm starting to think that people truly are autistic and they don't really remember how much of a hassle finding groups (among MANY other things) was in vanilla

and they will help fund our next expansion
absolutely based blizzard

*infetterence

It was a bug and not part of the intended design in vanilla.

Are you implying it isn't?

#NOCHANGES

Classic works because everyone's on the same page. This trash is cancer.

I CAN'T WAIT TO FOLLOW MY FAVOURITE STREAMER AROUND ITS GONNA BE SO I GET TO GIVE THEM ALL MY GOLD

Losing everything you worked for every expansion is what killed WoW. You can handle resetting all your gear and progress and character power only so many times. Imagine having your career and stuff you bought IRL reset every two years, nobody would sign up for that because who wants to start again from scratch all the time?

thats 3 days with queue time

>type /who ur lvl or a few lvls apart
>/w them or inv them directly say we doing X dungeon
>????
>profit

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>/who 15-20, priest
>sup fag, wanna heal deadmines?
So hard.

They changed how Pet buff from orcs Will affect totems and Hunter trap resist types into whar they were in wotlk instead of vanilla types.

>Be a good player with a nice rep
>People ask you to join their dungeons
Wow so hard

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So you are scared than? Why would you worry? You classic fans seem to be on the same page, if this exists or not shouldn't matter? I think it's such a big deal for you because you know it makes life easier. You don't have to copy+paste every 2 min, you don't have to stand still and /w every single possible person. It doesn't hurt anything, You're still on your server, you are still with the same people. You still will have argues who will run to the dungeon. There will still be the people who look on the map after group invite, see they are the closest and use HS and say "Yeah bro i'm capital, too far away yo port me". It will all stay, all it does is forming a group for the people who use the addon. Those who doesn't, don't. I still faill to see the issue here

Automating everything and destroying the social element and world interactions is what killed the game.
Gear hunting should have never been the point but it was brought to the foreground and the game was turned to a dungeon grinder / gear collector.

Have they fixed the bullshit where they're not set up when you mount of sprint over them though?

Did not read, fuck off to retail lol
Classic works because everyone is on the same page. LFG tools are not the same page.
Save your screeching - there is a ruined game for you available right now. Go and play it. Get out of my face.

>Hunter trap resist types into whar they were in wotlk instead of vanilla types.
What does this mean? Like freezing trap isnt based on your frost resist, flame trap on fire resist etc?

>Implying he is scared
>When you're the one who wants a faceless and autonomous addon to make groups for you
Fuck off to retail

YOU MEAN I CAN'T BE A CUNT TO EVERYONE ELSE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS
LET ME PLAY LIKE I WANT OR PAY MY SUB WAAAAAAH

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If you want convenience you can play retail bro, it offers non-stop convenience, you can automatically play almost all content, you can fly everywhere so you don't get ganked, you don't have to walk to an instance's entrance etc

BFAGGOTS THE CLOCK IS TICKING
YOUR TRASH LOBBY QUEUE SKINNERBOX
WILL BECOME EVEN MORE OF A GHOST TOWN IN A MATTER OF DAYS

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Awesome
Honestly this fits in with the spirit of classic so well. It's better this way.

FOTR GANG
FUCK OFF TO RETAIL
FUCK OFF TO RETAIL
FUCK OFF TO RETAIL
FOTR GANG

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>the game was turned to a dungeon grinder / gear collector
But it was that from the start. Unlike classic role playing games, in WoW items were the ONLY thing that determined your power.

It had a bit of Diablo but not this shit, fuck off

RETAILKEKS DON'T FORGET TO DO YOUR DAILIES

Gear was always a means to play the content, not the ultimate goal.
That shit mentality is why retailfags run on a constant treadmill for jangling keys.

Can I concede sub rogue as a poor example at this point? I played a fair bit of it in legion but not since BFA and it looks like blizz has simplified the spec. That said, I stand by the idea of encounter design becoming complex enough to the point where maximal execution of a rotation scales in difficulty with the mechanics of the encounter, and encounters in modern WoW are as complex as they get. At mythic difficulty, the truly hard encounters require you to be managing the rotation minigame while also making decisions on your movement and positioning as well as organizational factors. At a high level, you don't get to simply hit everything on cooldown and have to make either judgment calls or pre planned cooldown windows, like you said, and if you fail one your DPS still sucks. You're paying attention to not only your own DPS rotation in the current moment, but looking ahead to plan for mechanics which may not come out at exactly the same time every pull, or mechanics with a random selection element. You're making order out of chaos while also multitasking your rotation and intermittently activating direct problem solving and planning ahead for both the next mechanic and making sure you can execute your next burst window. It's not simple and it's not easy, even if the rotation you do on a training dummy can be fundamentally dissected.

DO YOUR MAP QUESTS AND REP "CONTENT" RETAIRDS

BRO WHERE'S MY FUCKING TABLE?!

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And that's why gear always caused the most drama, people whined the most about not being able to get good gear and every reward in Vanilla before future expansions added mounts, pets and achievements boiled down to gear? You guys are fucking morons.

THE SUMMONING OF THE ABS

People whined for many things, if you were on a raid of course you would want the gear, this doesn't say shit.

That's yer new fuck hole, just a quick shortcut in to your ass

>content is the ultimate goal
>that's why every player repeats the same content 1000 times while being bored to get all the gear from it
brainlet

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i play both though
what does that make me

We're not talking about retail nigger

If you don't see gear as the vehicle to push a higher level keystone or a harder boss in a mythic raid, your opinion is of no consequence.

Harr harr retailcucks btfo

>implying that's not what Vanilla was about
enjoy that 100th molten core run, faggot

BRO WHY ARE PEOPLE SPEAKING TO ME AND ASKING ME TO DO THINGS?! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT TO DO?! SHUT UP AND PULL

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we're talking about classic nigger

>anime avatar shitter
>everytime

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You fags are precisely why retail boiled down to pathetically hunting for new gear