Muh Geno is Smash Bros

>muh Geno is Smash Bros
>muh Thousand Year Door remake

I have a better idea, why don't we all ask for a fucking Super Mario RPG sequel?! There is literally nothing stopping Nintendo or Square Enix to work together to do that. Nintendo worked with fucking Ubisoft for Mario + Rabbids, why should this be more difficult than that? Hell, Nintendo has worked with SE in recent years by publishing the Bravely series.

Why hasn't anyone actually thought of this? Why are we hung up with Paper Mario when we could get the actual thing it was intended to replace?

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M&L games are still doing good.

and Paper Mario is worse than dead.

I've thought of a sequel to my favorite game of all time and decided I don't want a sequel. It wouldn't be able to re-capture the magic of the first one.

Modern Square and modern Nintendo would fuck it up.

That's fucking coward talk

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I mean look at paper mario
I wouldn't trust modern nintendo to be able to do it

>Its dead because I didn't like it

Daily reminder that Sticker Star and Super are the best-selling Paper Mario games.

Paper Mario """"""""fans"""""""" are worse than Smeleefags. You're not fans of the franchise, you're fans of the one, single game within the franchise.

>you are not a fan of the series because you do not like all of the games
this is a really retarded take
are you pretending?

Look what happened to the Mario & Luigi series and Paper Mario. Do you really want Mario RPG to get the same treatment?

I dunno, man. I guess if they went the Link's Awakening route with clay characters and somehow got Miyamoto and Sakaguchi in the same room working on it, and the game extended on the action components of the battle system in a way we haven't seen before...

I just think it's a product of its time. It doesn't need a sequel.

Do you seriously want modern SE to make the sequel?

>Why are we hung up with Paper Mario when we could get the actual thing it was intended to replace?
Paper Mario was an improvement, that goes for M&L as well. They aren’t interchangeable.

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All you retards do is bitch and moan that every game since TTYD wasn't exactly like TTYD

>Paper Mario was an improvement,
>They aren't interchangeable
Fuck off you two faced cunt.

It also doesn't "not" need a sequel.
Sometimes you need a little push to get what you want. All you really need is the title, after they can make it into basically whatever they see fit.

>All you retards do is bitch and moan that every game since TTYD wasn't exactly like TTYD
Nobody ever complained about Sticker Star because it was different, but rather because it got rid of shit people enjoyed about the series and replaced it with fucking nothing, besides the combat of course which was replaced with a casualized battle system with bosses that boil down to “if you didn’t grab this out of the way thing sticker you lose, go find it so we can pad out the game even further”. It’s the reason the game is such a shallow experience.

If sticker star at least had good gameplay it would be somewhat enjoyable and maybe people could mod it

>All you retards do is bitch and moan that every game since Paper Mario wasn't exactly like a Paper Mario game should be
FTFY

Because we've given up. Miyamoto hates sequels that don't add new gimmicks, Square-Enix doesn't want to do it, and even then, it wouldn't be the same team that worked on it, because they all left and work on Mario & Luigi/Paper Mario.

just having both PM and M&L cast was enough for them to ditch it and make paper jam
Also TTYD could use with a remake, not a remaster, to fix the backtracking issues

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>And if you wanna dream make a fucking GIANT rpg with the Paper mario, mario & luigi and SMRPG cast.
We already had 2/3 of this and it’s the worst M&L game.

I think a remake would benefit PM, and a Remastered version of SMRPG is actually impossible, they have to change some issues with the game
Remember the moment Mario tried to punch a kid in the face?

It wasn't that bad..

Well it was bad cuz it was a fucking excuse of a game, but hey! at least Yoko's delivers, the OST was neat.

>that is the excuse nintendo uses to continue making games no one likes
If no one liked them they wouldn't make money.

You can stop pretending everyone absolutely HATES the newer Paper Marios just because you do. Super and Sticker Star sold the best, people liked them, you need to get the fuck over it already. Its been like 10 years.

>"Paper Mario is DEEEEEEEEEAAAAD"
>No its not, the games you claim killed it sold the best in the series
>"Yeah, well, selling doesn't mean SHIT"

You can stop any time, sweaty. The series s objectively not dead, the games you hate oh-so very much sold well.

Both of those games sold because of the size of the consumer base for the consoles they were in, not because people genuinely enjoyed it.
Most people that got it were because it had mario in the title, played it for a bit, then abadoned it.
Also not everyone hates it, I've seen some people liking color splash and I can see some points where the game shines, but it will always be compared to the past games in the series and honestly it drags down both the new and old games. It should have been a new series or a spin off of a spin off like Paper Wario or Paper Yoshi or something like that.

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Funny how you conveniently forgot about Color Splash’s fucking abysmal sales.

>B-b-but excuses

Dude, if everyone fucking hated them they wouldn't have sold. That's all there is to it. Metroid Federation Force released on the 3DS with over 70 million owners, it didn't sell shit because no one liked it. Mario Kart 8 sold something stupid like 9 million copies on the Wii U, which only sold 13.5 million itself.

If people like the games, they'll buy them. The argument that the ONLY reason those Paper Mario games you're seething over sold well is due to install base is completely false and has no basis in reality.

Your own argument can be used against you, if people enjoyed it then explain this

It sold about 1 million copies, the attach rate is in-line with the other games.

If you're going to argue that SS and Super only sold well due to large install bases, which is false, then Color Splash only sold poorly because it released on the Wii U, and was one of the last games to do so long after its fate was decided.

Besides the user base, people were expecting a return to form when SS was announced as one of the first 3DS games as well, and lots of people bought even the console and the game based on the promotional images thinking it would be a return to form for the series.
Sticker star was on bargain bins a week after launch and you can buy it for dirt cheap on ebay nowadays unlike the older games.
Also I'm not saying super is bad, I enjoyed it but it is clearly it's own category compared to all the other games in the series.

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Wii U sold 13.5m consoles, Color Splash sold almost 900k-1 million copies. The attach rate is right in line with every other game.

By your logic TTYD should have sold more than 1,9m copies because it was soooooo great, right? Why did Super Paper Mario and SS outsell it? Was it, perhaps, because the GC had a much smaller install base?

You retards can't have it both ways.

>anecdotal headcanon of what millions of people I've never met were totes thinking and expecting

It sold because people liked it. You need to get over it already.

Everything here is anecdotal even what you say.

We both know it to be true user. Square has long died a sad death.

Ok did you like it. Is anyone in this thread going to claim Sticker Star is a good game, because so far all I've seen people say is dur hur it sold. Still no defense for the actually game play for the game.

Sales numbers and attach rates aren't :^)

>Dude no one here is going to say its bad trust me guy
Nice appeal to popularity

If people didn't like it, if it had "killed" Paper Mario, it wouldn't have sold as well as it did and wouldn't be the second best-selling game in the franchise.

The numbers don't really tell if people generally liked it or not though.
Just because people buy something it doesn't mean they genuinely enjoyed it, and that's what is being argued here. You saying they like because of the number of sales is anecdotal.

Until I see a new actual game and not a remake I won't believe that, BIS remake and paper jam killed it for me

>SSbab stops replying once they’ve been called out on their double standard
really gets the cogs turning

I’m hoping we see M&L Switch in the next direct so we can see if the series is back on track or not. I refuse to believe Alphadream was only working on remasters for so long, especially when BiS was so rushed.

It fucking started development as SMRPG 2, it can't get any more clear-cut than Paper Mario.

Paper mario 64 is the sequel to SMRPG, it's also a much better game

I like the first 3 games

I hate sticker star and coloe splash

So id say fan of half the series

The thousand year door is a spiritual successor to SMRPG. They're very similar in a lot of ways.

genuinely curious, how so?

Wow, no true scots fallacy, haven't heard that one in a while. Can't say anything bad about shit ever, just consume mindless idiots. Why are you asking for things to go back to the way they were?

>Not fans of the franchise
That's typically how shit works. I don't like all Final Fantasy games. I think 2 is a pile of shit, even outside of it's horrid leveling system. 4 is boring and filled with useless filler characters whose plots don't matter and are only there to sacrifice themselves so you feel bad and to give a poor sense of how the stakes a 'real'. 8 tried to stupidly do a school drama/ private military contractor storyline. Yaya, you get the point. That doesn't invalidate my love of other games in the series, nor does it invalidate my criticisms of the idiocy of where they have taken the franchise. Despite the latest entries being the biggest sellers. Selling big will never be an indication of quality, nor of acceptance.

I don't even want the games to go back to the old designs. I just want them to try ACTUAL new things. Not redoing the ideas with a coat of paint (heh) and trying to claim it's new. Where the fuck has that Nintendo innovation gone? I should be seeing the difference from Mario 3 to World at this point, but all I've gotten is the same NSMB tripe.

Really we should be talking about the entire Mario franchise as a whole and how tired it is. Not even Odyssey really has revived talk of Mario, if anything it's damaged it more. Odyssey was 'fun' and then people quickly forgot about it. Why has Mario been reduced to this mobile garbage where you play it once and drop it? When people use to run through Mario games over and over again?

I guess you could say the atmosphere and design of the games feel similar to me. They both have very goofy characters shoved into otherwise serious JRPG situations. I think that's what makes this franchise stand out really, is that it feels like a run of the mill JRPG but with very silly characters instead of the usual edgy teenagers. Paper Mario 64 tried to stick to the Mario universe a lot more than smrpg and TTYD did so it feels less similar.

All I want is a new game in a new setting, I'm tired of the mushroom kingdom's samey locations.
Or even in the mushroom kingdom like BIS was but not the NSMB-ed one.

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