SOUL

Soundtrack is A+++

Pandaria was the best nu-WoW expansion. Only one I'd even consider going back to.

Classic > TBC > Wrath > power gap > MoP > literal shit > rest of the expansions

WoD>BfA. they're both shit tier compared to every other xpac
and I'm dead serious

Literally the peak of themepark MMORPG. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Sorry user but
WoTLK > Classic > MoP > TBC > Legion > Cata > BfA and WoD

This, BfA is fucking shit and I'd rather play WoD than this crap.

>people calling vanilla "classic"

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Best class design the series ever has

Yeah kys, one retard less.

Retard.

The only true tier list;

Vanilla > TBC > WOTLK (the rest doesn't even need to be on the list.

If BC didn't introduce flying and introduce the whole daily quest system it would've been better than vanilla. And if WOTLK didn't introduce LFD and made heroic dungeons shit-easy it would have surpassed it.

Both BC and LK suffer from simplified casualized dungeons (BC being good difficulty-wise but bad in terms of layouts and design).

Anything after LK is nu-garbage without any soul. Inclusions of goblin and worgen, the zones in cata and partially in legion are worthy of praise, but the rest is just rehashing garbage. The entirety of MoP is an asspull. Most of BfA and Legion zones (not even mentioning the travesty that is WoD) are also completely uninspired.

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Yay! I can't decide which of these 100 daily quests to do today! They're so fun!

Are you genuinly upset about flying?
You rather want to be forced to go slowly everywhere, wasting your time, in a game with a monthly fee?

Are you that fucking retarded?

Retard.

Without flying and LFD this game would be crap. Dilate.

MoP was the best expansion, objectively

non-warlocks virgins need not respond

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>avoiding the world and the player base is fun!

This. Nobody wants to fucking waste time going from one zone to another for 30 mins. Everyone who say flyig shouldn't be in the game are retarded and should kys.

ever stop to think that maybe people want an actual adventure to go on and not just skip the entire fucking thing by flying straight there?

its like if in lord of the rings they just got on a flying mount and just flew straight to the top of mount doom. because that's exactly what flying in WoW did, defeated the purpose of playing the fucking game.

Wasn't there only one faction with a few quests that was basically mandatory, at least at the beginning?

No one outside of the anglosphere calls it vanilla

Yeah because every person playing this game is some cave dweller who doesn't have any other things to do but play WoW for 24/7 and waste time running around with 150% speed. Show me how people are avoiding other players even with flying fucking retard.

This is your brain on BFA

What's with all the hate for Cataclysm anyway, I kinda enjoyed the expansion.
I didn't play for Dragon Soul so that one might be something that made everyone hate the expansion.

WoD had a godtier start

That's what flight paths are for, shithead

Maybe you shouldn't be playing an MMO, retard? These fucking gacha gamers expecting farmville-tier gameplay are exactly what caused the decline of the game starting with inclusions like flying.

Timeless Isl pvp was literally PEAK MMO

WoW died when WOTLK started.

And dont try to defend it because of
>muh lich king epic lore

>i pay for the game therefore the game should look the way i want it to

People like you killed this game. Thank god classic is gonna flush all of you out like poison is drawn from a wound.

TBC > vanilla > Classic
if you played anything else you are literally a shiteater

You fucking retards are the biggest hypocrites I've ever met. So flight paths are good even though it is flying, but flying wherever you want is bad. Fucking KYS retards.

They really tried with Cataclysm. Made heroics hard again. Finished unfinished vanilla zones. Catered to nostalgia with Onyxia, Nefarian, Ragnaros. Revamped to old world to get people playing there,

Sadly it just didn't work, but it doesn't deserve the hate it got.

>*kills all remaining player base with dreamworks panda and lore made up on the spot that no one gives a shit about*
Should have kept this gay shit to a content patch, 1 or 2 new zones

classic releases in a few days. totally fresh characters on brand new servers, everyone starts at level 1.

it's the perfect time to start.

based and mogu pilled

>dude entire zones as pop culture references lmao

Literally nobody outside the anglosphere uses the word "vanilla" for other thing than the plant/flavor, retard.

Completely different. Arguably flight paths are too common nowadays too. They didn't use to be though.

Point is when you're on a flying mount you literally can go wherever without any danger. With flight paths you can enter a zone hub, but navigating anything else subjects you to the world and forces you to navigate it.

Flying kills world pvp. Kills any sense of space and scale. Kills the entire premise of being placed with your feet on the ground.

But yeah, i would actually be for removing flight paths too. At leats most of them. Only cities should have them.

NO BUT
BUT

ULDUAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I certainly dont.
>TIENAMEN
>POOH
>HK RIOTS

OMEGA soulful

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oh my god I forgot the pandaren did caramelldansen...

The best girls in the world

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there was no way that cataclysm was going to live up to wotlk since deathwing was a literally who compared to arthas and yeah for me going from Firelands which was one of my favorite raids to dragon soul was a disappointment
>wanted dragons, got a golem and void shit
>you never even fight deathwing directly, only kill adds and thrall gets the kill

Pandarens are a gay race that kill the tone of warcraft with their stupid kung fu nonsense and their faux eastern mythology. Retconning them from a joke easter egg to a full fledged part of the world was a mistake only done to appeal to furries and (man)children.

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Dragons are the most boring fucking cliche. I was looking forward to COT stratholme/medieval fantasy tiananmen square, but then they had to have faggy ass dragons show up.

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NO MORE PANDA STAYBUN

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>Vanilla
Poor class spec viability, certain specs can't be viable in PVP/PVE
Poor Itemization(until later patches), stats on items for classes that don't need those stats.
>BC
Flying mounts, killed the world.
Resilience, showing Blizzard can't balance.
Dailies, aka "Participation rewards" for retards.
>WotLK
Dungeon/Raid finder, further killing the world and casualizing raids/dungeons.
Token system on steroids.
Rehashing content.
Dumbed down dungeons/raid pathing.
Added Global Raid buffs, which got stronger each week ICC was out.

They did a lot of things right, but these are the most glaring problems in my eyes.

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Except Chinese MMO aesthetic is the peak soulless.
its when you know your favorite franchise dies.
Golden warm colors, thick lines on all assets, everything looks heavy and has looks made out of thick plate regardless of material.

Absolute truth.
The gear progression was a fucking masterpiece done in TBC, after that in WOTLK.
Looking forward to Vanilla next week, since I started from TBC and playing ever since.
The gear looked good, it had relevance, it was hard to get, yet so close, just ENOUGH for WOW. Each and most quality of life improvements that came only built down this feeling of joy and reason to play.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT, but it's fine, average people don't see much anyways.

The epitome of wow was mid WotLK
Ulduar was amazing, balance of classes was superb and there was no fucking dungeon finder yet

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I will try to defend it
>muh devilsaur pet
>muh world BG
>muh northerend

>introduced the shit talent system we have now
Kys, pandafags

They just needed to remove resilience, flying, tokens/dailies. Ulduar was good because it had a fuck ton of awesome mechanics and bosses/lore.

It also did hard modes right, instead of just flicking a switch you had to activate their hard mode.

The talent system was good in Pandaria. They fucked it up in WoD and beyond but you can't blame pandas for that.

>rehashing content
I really hate this attack, because only like 2% of players actually experienced naxx when it was in vanilla. It came basically 2 weeks before BC was announced and people were still throwing themselves against AQ40(if it was even unlocked on their server). This led to a lot of people not wasting their time on it since they knew greens were going to replace all that gear as soon as the xpac released.

if you really think about it for half a second, flying inherently allows you to avoid world pvp and farm nodes easily. How can there be any form of ganking when you are flying from dalaran/garrison/whetever to your destination? Hell, in most cases you can flying through the raid portal as in the case of Tempest Keep and ICC. I played in a pvp server and could easily enter any raid without any interaction with the opposite faction.

and the chinese
never forget mop being an actual sellout to the chinese market

Literally TBC. Wrath was just as bad of an offender and people still suck off that shitty expansion even though it introduced almost everything wrong with the game.

>epic lore

WOTLK neutered Arthas. Seriously, that expansion was a joke.

WOTLK was great, the quality improvements added in the xpac was I believe the maximum the game could take. Afterwards, everything fell apart.
The progression was great, no 34x mythic versions of the same dungeon (with 68x versions of the same item piece), simply normal and heroic. Afterwards WOTLK the fucking gear progression system - the most important factor of the game - has gone downhill (ok...ok.. Cata gear progression was fine, but other changes took place that just add up to the list).

the old talent system was always trash, it gave you a ton of pointless 1% extra damage with 1 spell
>but muh customization
yeah not like everyone just went to wowhead or whatever site and copy/pasted the tree from a guide

>NOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT LOOK AT ALL THESE EPIC GAME CHANGING ABILITIES YOU GET WHO CARES IF LITERALLY ALL OF THEM WERE PREVIOUS TALENTS OR ABILITIES THAT WERE PRUNED FROM THE GAME

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What the fuck even happened to destro that made it so strong? I sat out for a bit and came back to see five destro locks on the top of charts with five times everyone else's damage.

Fuck off you dumb nigger. It completely removed them

It was really good.
>You didn't have to do dailies at all, all they gave you was 489 loot and mounts
>flying wasn't time gated and was available as fast as you reach lvl cap
>peak comfy raids not too easy not too hard only 2 difficulties to go through
>5.2 best raid since Ulduar
>New class AND race
>Best mounts
>Best challenges system where you need to beat dungeon at a certain time was FUN AF
>5.1 world pvp
>story that made sense
>best looking locations till this day
>MY LIFE WAS ACTUALLY GOOD AT THAT TIME

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I agree with this argument but I believe that they intended for all that content to be out longer. BC seems to have just come out of nowhere, like some big boss demanded it asap.

There was still a bunch of content being planned for vanilla, there was tons of shit still in the data files that never saw the light of day.

I always remember this interview from PCGamer with the devs back in like 2003. They only expected to have like 30k~ subscribers.

I'm not a furfag but I would love to run a farm in the valley of the four winds with a pandaren wife

Warcarft>piss>shit>cum>vomit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WoW
Give me a proper singleplayer Warcraft RPG.
I will never stop saying this. This is my autism, and it will stay with me, untill the singleplayer RPG gets released, or I die.

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You're stupid.

cata was better.

so, will you be able to get corrupted assbringer in classic?

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This expansion was the last nail in the coffin and what made wow what it is today.

>remember that lvl 60 talent that let warlocks cast while walking around?

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old system in total gave you 41-61 talent points the new one gave you like five how about you compare the effects of ten talents in old system with one in new one instead of comparing it as one versus one retard

The whole reason why MMOs succeed is because the games are designed around facing adversity. If everything is made simple through QoL changes then communities erode, value systems suffer and the game dies.

not until naxx comes out...if classic lasts that long.

I'd honestly rather them release sub-races than adding pandas. Alliance should get high elves. Horde should get a few different troll types, etc. It would be far more interesting to me to see how the world and it's factions developed rather than just adding new shit no one cares about. There doesn't even need to be some giant god damn expansion for them, there's still high elves in the alliance, let them be playable.

>Literally had to open 9 more servers because the queues are expected to be so long they'll overflow and you won't even be able to queue
>If it lasts that long

>Soundtrack is A+++
>MoP was the best expansion, objectively
>OMEGA soulful

MoP is unironically the best expansion. No edgy prince, no dragon cliche, and no good vs evil.

Classic is trash and for nostalgiafags.

it's blizzard, and once the nostalgia and novelty wears off, the playerbase is going to drop like flies, leaving a comparatively small core group of players.

nostalgia is not enough to make a game last.

>more elves

>I was a child when MOP came out so it's my favorite

There's nothing wrong with being honest with yourself.

>high elves
seriously what the fuck is wrong with you people christ

Not him but I played Warcraft 3 before WoW was released and Pandaria is my favorite expansion. Maybe it's warlock bias.

You have something to stay?

Bet you tried to relived Lord of the Rings in WoW you stupid bitch.

>no edgy prince
>no dragon cliche
pic related
>no good vs evil
garrosh, thunder king, sha

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It works for OSRS.

Because most of the old ones were just numbers, x% damage to immolate, x% damage to incinerate and so on, those numbers don't matter because they can be implemented into balance numbers with very little new spells into the trees like conflagration or chaos bolt which they didn't delete, they added them into the spec itself, i am not going to say that they are doing a better job now beucase they fucking suck dick at balancing but saying that you miss 40 extra points to spent on numbers that don't even matter because next week you get a buff or nerf of 5% is just retarded.
Talent trees gave you the illusion of customization because you had a ton of points to spent but everytime you would just go to any site and copy paste what was the most effective and that would never change, now at least you can pick a new spell if you need more single target or aoe damage and it will be a change in both numbers and playstyle.

>Not him

Stop being dishonest.

Looks like I hit the nail right on the head.

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Based skelly dishing out nothing but the truth

I still can't believe MOP came out directly after cataclysm and directly before warlords of draenor. Is that weird to anyone else? Does anyone else feel like they're, like, forgetting another expansion existed between any of them?
also when the fuck my panda death knights blizz

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OSRS have QoL and updates.

I remember when Yea Forums hated this expac. Good times. It's a shame nobody has taste anymore.

>Wrath was peak wow!

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Unequivocally based. All Wrathbabbies can say to defend their shit xpac is MUH ULDUAR

But why did OSRS get made in the first place? And those updates didn't come out of nothing.

>When your concept artists get lazy and just use furaffinity as their reference for race design. Furries really do need to kill themselves.

Never, sadly

Even though they are a lot more lore friendly than Worgen Death Knights

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Everything after WCIII is not just soulless, but is a black hole.

I have to say that the minute WoW moved away from expanding Azeroth itself and keeping people invested in the world that they crafted was the minute that WoW died.
So, with the release of BC.

>can't even use greentext

After playing Dark Souls and New Vegas years ago I knew Warcraft single player rpg could be kino as fuck.

except by putting in those +1% X stat talents eventually allowed you make an entire build eventually
>y-you just use a guide
yeah and you do the same with new system to an even greater extent you literally switch talents boss fight per boss fight
might as well just remove talents altogether

Population dropped like flies in 2 months, dude. And the core retards in classic are the "no changes" crew. Also OSRS is F2P.

Early Cataclysm pre-Heroic nerfs with class kits at their pinnacle of combining new-age mechanics and the complexity of the earlier days as well as a legitimately difficult raid tier with Blackwing Descent and Throne of the Four Winds was the absolute peak in the WoW timeline.

Legion was very pretty to look at, but fucking awful on a core gameplay level. It's far worse than WoD (which at the very least had Blackrock Foundry, one of the top 5 greatest raids), finishing the job it started in pruning class kits. BfA only continues this trend, but isn't nearly as pretty so its issues are far more apparent but make no mistake it has the same exact problems as Legion. Worse still, the class managers were so full of haughty arrogance in their pruned class designs being without flaw they ignored crucial feedback stretching as far back as the alpha.

I don't understand this shit, how do draenei death knights make more sense than pandaren death knights in terms of the lore? if chen stormstout was roaming around then other pandaren theoretically could have been, considering everybody in wc3 recognized him as a pandaren and knew that such a race existed. rarity has nothing to do with playability to blizzard, there are supposed to be like 4 void elves in the lore but now they're everywhere. it's retarded.
butthurt nerd mad he didn't get another orc reskin or something and instead got a race with genuine soul and character
the only bad part I will concede is that they're in both factions, pandaria had plenty of other cool races(fish dudes, monkeys, the statue motherfuckers, FUCKING MANTIS) but they just had to make only one playable.

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>Population dropped like flies in 2 months, dude
Okay, but Classic diverges here because Nost consistently had thousands of people playing for ages.
>And the core retards in classic are the "no changes" crew.
If blizz actually decided to include the emerald dream, karazhan and grim batol into classic I think those people might change their tune very quickly.
>Also OSRS is F2P.
So is classic, in a sense.

Any expansion that had LFG at any point is devoid of all soul whatsoever

ToT was Ulduar tier great. MoP in general was really fun and had the best class mechanics.

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>muh Nost
Oh no, it's retarded.

Yes, they would change their tune to full-on boycott because nu-nu-nu-nu-Blizzard are fucking inept developers and would fuck everything up if they were allowed even the tiniest morsel of creative freedom.

Destro was the epitome of easy to learn, hard to master in MoP; raids had a hardon for bosses with burst adds that could be sniped for extra shards for chaos bolts, and between FnB and Havoc charges, knowing the fights inside and out to maximize your ability to snipe everything became tons of fun; even so, affliction still had the massive advantage in snapshotting extremely poorly designed trinkets and doing triple the damage of the nearest competing spec on certain fights.

Pandaren society becomes a lot more dark once you realize that for over 10.000 years it was essentially a sham run by the Shado-Pan based purely on the saying: "Ignorance is bliss."

How is it not comparable?
I might have agreed with you if you didn't use the "nu" prefix and invalidate any point you were trying to make.

so what's the difference between high elves and blood elves?

nost was stable with like 3 servers, and a huge, and I mean massive percentage of the population was bots.

it had thousands of players. actiblizz is going to need tens, if not hundreds of thousands to dig itself out of its hole.

What did they even do with the Pandaren who refused to relax and SLOOOOOOW DOOOWN? Since a few hurt fee-fees are all it took for Sha to come oozing out of every crevice I'm pretty sure the Shado-Pan either drugged non-conformers with happy booze or executed them outright

I forget but is the average pandaren citizen aware of the threat of y'shaarj awakening? I know the mantis are plenty aware of it but I was under the impression that most pandaren were just chill because that's how they were, I'd be a lot less chill if I had to be chill to protect my homeland from cthulhurape, but at least a couple of pandaren state the danger of the horde and alliance bringing their conflict to pandaland. in short, makes u thnk
panda gulag

>How is it not comparable?
The majority of Nost players were chinks that actually make money with RMT, they won't pay to play WoW. Is literally the opposite, dude.

>Stacks buffs
>Pops ash

Heh, nothing personnel kid

There were no dailies that gave rep for important things until all the way at the end of the expansion. For Wrath it was for shoulder enchants IIRC.

The nu prefix is entirely valid because it's literally not the same fucking team who made the game you dipshit

>tfw destrolock in full H Siege gear with 1m health chaos bolting people for double their health

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blood elves are muh evil because illidan and kael'thas did nothing wrong many years ago and now people dislike them for it
high elves, uhh, have blue eyes instead of green and their hair/skin tone is a little less red/more pale
MUH ELVES GIB ELVES PLS BLIZZ

This is the only correct list. The rest of the retards are wrong. Flying sucked but there was no taking it back after TBC, WotLK was superior in content and death knights were more fun that faggy elves or space goats. MoP falls behind the big 3 as the only good expansion after for being comfy, great music, monks, and fun without having to waste your life playing.

god I wish we could go back to pre-WotLK days when class sets were actually distinguishable as belonging to a specific class instead of the garbage mess we have today

Well spoken user. Though I did enjoy BC dailies like Netherwing, Terrokar and Gro-zilla. Should have lowered their gold income so that they wouldnt feel so mandatory.

i kinda enjoy flying just for the fact you can get a nice scale of shit like the big ass sword in silithus

Its a shame blizzard shit up cata in a single patch. Tanking pre nerf heroics was some of the most fun I had in wow.

jesus fucking christ...
retailfags are a bunch of faggots then

Uldum was dogshit, in fact all zones were except for Vashj-ir. Heroics were fun only to be nerfed to hell after release, also the themes felt really bland. Grim Batol was fucking embarrasing, should have been the new BRD. Story sucked too and barely anything felt post-apocalyptic.

MoP was the last good xpac, cata totally shit the bed before it though so it's not like it mattered though.

>bfa bad
>BUT LEGION BASED AND ALPHA!!!!
exact same shit retards

>introduced almost everything wrong with the game.
You mean 6 million casuals?

I haven't played a multiplayer game in a couple years, but all my old highschool friends are grouping together to play WoW classic. What's a decent headset that doesn't sound irritating to other people but is also cheap?

Like I'll probably only use it for the couple months I play WoW with them desu

Zones like Hillsbrad and Uldum are perfect examples of why Cataclysm sucked so bad, at least in terms of quest design and writing. There was always pop culture references in the game, but they were soft, subtle, and pretty clever. Cataclysm took an entire fucking zone (Uldum), and turned it into a shameless Indiana Jones parody. The entire zone, save for the introductory and dungeon quests involving the Tol’vir. Then You have Hillsbrad, turned into one giant self-deprecating parody of Classic WoW and it’s players. None of it was done well, none of it was clever, and it completely shat up two zones. One that was beloved, and another that people had been waiting years to see develop, just to be one big shit-tastic joke.

Have some objective facts.

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Don't forget the joke that was Grim Batol.

This, but maybe not for the same reasons. For me at least, WoD wasn't plagued with titanforging and m+, meaning you could just raid with your friends without having to worry about grinding all fucking week. I'm not going to spam dungeons that I already cleared several times a whole year ago, no thanks.

What are the y-axis units?

deciGoods, each worth 1/10th of a Good Game.

t. Redditor

....
I have nothing to say lol, based list.

I strongly believe that Blizzard should take the WoW, undergone several deconstruction courses that analyze each expansions strengths and weaknesses, find what players most enjoyed about the game during its peaks, and then formulate a restructure plan for the entire game across its content, and spend a few years building one big revision for the game as a whole. All the while, line up a few skeleton teams to pump out mini expansions that introduce new raids and dungeons while the big revision is worked on.

Somebody give this man an idea guy job

Legion was obviously a soulless cashgrab, but it was fun. bfa is a soulless cashgrab that isn't fun.

BC > MoP > Vanilla > Wrath > Cata > Legion > WoD > BFA
The reason why WoD is above BFA, is because at least the WoD raids were good, whereas BFA raids were absolutely some of the worst raids in the history of the game.
You can not argue this.

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But Activision-Blizzrd already took WoW, undergone several deconstruction courses that analyzde each expansions cashshop, found what drones most expend during its peaks, and then formulate a restructure plan for the entire "product".

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>muh BC is better than classic
TBC was shit and you know it.

Chinkcels please leave.

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You are obviously false flagging in an attempt to besmirch FF XV

Godspeed

t. deadweight pruned when raids reduced to 25

MoP was a breath of fresh air desu. The game was really different but I wouldn't say it was bad at all. Raiding was excellent

They already did this with cataclysm, when they completely restructured vanilla leveling to be more streamlined like BC/wrath. And people fucking hated it.

Wrath-babies? In my Yea Forums?

The "Why-Wrath-is-Trash" Pasta

>Leveling is alright, objectively the best part of the Xpac, but multiple zones just suck.
>Mountains of cut content
>Dungeons are pathetic cake-walks from day 1. Only a true mongoloid could claim to enjoy them.
>First raid tier is a pathetic rehash where bosses in Naxx deal less damage than their level 60 versions
>Ulduar is decent, but literally the only good raid in the expac and vastly overhyped because it's surrounded by
trash (the pretty girl effect)
>ToC is the most embarassing pile of shit ever put in the game, makes trash heaps like Dragon Soul look good.
>ICC is a lame, drab raid that is visually inferior in every way to Naxx. Can't even tell it's Scourge themed
>Also it has maybe five good fights while the rest suck
>LFG begins slaughtering server communities, and starts the "play the patch, not the expansion" slide

B-but the PvP was good..
"No!"

>S5 is a degenarate shit show with DKs one-shotting people
>S6 is a degenrate shit show with comps like Beastcleave one-shotting people
>S7 is a degenerate shit show where RMP is the only comp you can play
>S8 is a degernate shit show where Arpen stacking warriors one-shot everything
>SotA is considered so universally terrible it is the only BG ever removed from the game.
>IoC is a heap which isn't much better
>WG is a shitty, unbalanced mess where you fight walls instead of players
>Northrend has no Quel'danas/TimelessIsle, so there's no great open-world PvP zone

This is right

> Releases in Nov 2008
> The end of the journey to one of the most iconic video game characters of all time
> It's a fucking amazing expansion both game/lore wise
> Blizzard got devoured by Activision around that time
> Famous last quote: "Tell them only that the Lich King (Blizzard) is dead, and that Bolvar Fordragon (WoW) died with him"
> Devs pull this shit Everytime, remember MGSV and Kojima devs hidden messages?

They fucking knew guys, they fucking warned us and we didn't listen :(((

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>tfw I liked everything in MoP that didn't have to do with the pandaren or garrosh

>SotA is considered so universally terrible it is the only BG ever removed from the game.
I never got why people disliked this one so much. It was miles better than "Get glaives or you lose", which should've been on the chopping block far before Strand.

WoD had a good directioin for the content, too bad there wasnt fucking any of it

so 70% of it?

You got it. Tbc would have been proclaimed as perfect if it didnt have those. Its balance was near prefect

I mean, like, the central plot was retarded, but the thunder king stuff was cool, the subraces that weren't pandaren were great, the klaxxi was a fantastic faction...I didn't even mind stuff like the shado-pan.

Cata had an interesting idea for is direction, but the idea of "fucking up the vanilla world" meant COMPLETELY shitting all over it and removing shit instead of makig a cool more ruined world

It's pretty bizarre WoD was so bare-bones considering that SoO was a 13 month raid. What the hell was Blizz doing the whole time?

>It's a fucking amazing expansion both game/lore wise
Naxx rehash, ToC, 9 months of ICC, dungeon finder, and babbymode heroics would like to have a word with you.

Overwatch

>naxx rehash
yeah, I bet you finished naxx in vanilla, right?

For some reason every single "vanilla veteran" here cleared Nax, got BiS from it and also was rank 14. Probably with 2-3 characters including a retri paladin or balance druid.

The worst offender of the Naxx rehash wasnt the difficulty, it was all the retarded changes and removed content. Like why did they add WotLK models which totally clash with the visuals of the orignal raid. Why did they change KT's voice. No Heigan maze or gauntlet.

TBC had a few big mistakes like flying/arena, but the endgame system of 10/25m raiding was MUCH better than 40m, the raid bosses had actual mechanics, the class balance in PVE was near perfect to the point basically every spec was wanted, and the gear progression was better than it ever was

cus wotlk was for casual shitters

Post your Naxx Vanilla clear ty
Every expansion has a meme raid
ICC is literally Arthas' end, can't get any more important than that, should be updated for every exp :D
Agree Dungeon Finder was not needed
Babymode Heroics who TF cares about Heroics?

But wait, there's more!

>Start of massive class homogenization, buffs/debuffs/utility taken from unique to a spec/class to shared between multiple. Every DPS spec is given AOE abilities/offensive CDs/CCs so that any spec can do any thing. Every tank can generate unlimited AOE threat. No niches or uniqueness left.
>start of gear being ruined. Instead of stat distribution being unique to an item, every piece of gear has a set amount of stam/armor/secondary stats. This leads to the rise of gearscore and itemlevel/sockets being king.
>professions are ruined. Go from producing interesting gear to being a flat stat bonus, entire world is BS/JC for boring sockets/stat gems. All the fun starts to be stripped out of engi.
>microtransactions added to the game, sparklepony begins the store mount apocalypse.
>the massive oversaturation of mounts/titles begins, instead of being cool, rare rewards you are given a mount/title every time you take a shit.

wrath was objectively fucking awful and was 100% the point of no return for wow.

But, dude! Ulduar! So clearly wotlk is 10/10 and you're just garbage

Good points, I remember the clusterfuck of mounts in Dalaran and later SW.

Peak WoW popularity was during WotLK, that means more 12yo that never played a MMO and turbo-casuals that loved it, hence why there are always retards defending it. That and scrubs who re-rolled DK and suddenly were good at the game.

Remember the Azjol'nerub zone they promised at Blizzcon?

Launch DKs were insane. Blizz just have been collectively high on coke to release them in the state they were.

>mfw taking a 58 DK into BGs and butchering everything just by clicking howling blast

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>all those hellfire rampants groups being utterly ruined by 4DK1heal comps
>just take my release blood DK straight out of the starting quests into the dungeon and solo it

>Babymode Heroics who TF cares about Heroics?

Spoken like a true wrathbabby, jesus christ. 5 mans are an important part of the game, and wrath took them from a legit challenge (while in the proper level of gear) and an important part of the gearing process to something you mindlessly aoe faceroll through for shitty rewards.

>Post your Naxx Vanilla clear ty

That's irrelevant man. The biggest issue with Naxx wasn't even that it was recycled content, it's that the way it was recycled made it a complete joke. Mechanics were stripped out en masse and the bosses were tuned so easily that some hit for less than their level 60 equivs. It was cleared in full TBC gear. No need to even gear up at 80, just jump right into naxx lmao!

oh fuck, that reminds me. Let's not forget that wrath was when we started getting RAID DIFFICULTY MODES so that instead of going back and doing all the content an expac has to offer your weekly to do list was just the same raid 4 times. Finally kill heroic 25 LK after months of progress? Would be pretty fucking hype if you hadn't seen him die 50 times over the last few months on joke difficulties you half AFKd through. That awesome weapon drop sure would be more exciting if you weren't already wearing the same weapon but a bit lower ilvl from normal you got 2 months ago.

It wasn't even peak popularity. The game was constantly growing at a steady rate from 2004-2009, and then it suddenly flatlined around wrath release. I wonder why that was. WHo could be behind this?

I can't really hold cut content against an expac desu. Vanilla/BC had stuff they wanted to put in and couldn't as well. Wrath has plenty of stuff to shit on without going to that.

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this
timeless isle was the best thing in wow

You really need to google "peak", user.

based
kys

This. People say BfA isn't as bad as WoD are fucking senile. WoD had some decent PvP at the beginning and Highmaul/BRF were fun raids. Emphasis on the garrison was the only thing that sucked, unless you care about lore/story as well. BfA has shitty AP grind, bad Azerite armor system, rng galore, etc.

The point of the expansion was taking it easy with your chill dailies, playing a hour per day.

>Poor class spec viability, certain specs
You don't play a spec, you play a class. Every class was viable.

This is revisionist history. The issue with WOD wasn't the content, it was the fact that there was NOTHING TO FUCKING DO. After a month you were reduced to logging in to raid + logging in 30minutes a day to set up garrison shit. The content in BFA isn't that much worse than the content of any other expac, and at least there is stuff to do oustide of raid hours with M+/WQs. The issue is entirely the reward structure of RNG on top of RNG, the loss of the tiny bit of complexity artifacts + tier sets + legendaries gave specs and AP being useless to grind because of AK so it just becomes a boring chore of doing your weekly/daily stuff.

wow died with the announcment of TBC

>just ignore 2/3 of your talents and spells bro, is great game design
Classicdrones and metal retardation, try to name a more iconic duo.

inB4 "FFIV and trannies". You retards are so predictable.

Don't forget faction homogenization and elfshittery for TBC

i agree although I had a degree of enjoyment in cata and pandas. firelands was pretty alright. so was pandas up to the final stretch where you're prepping to raid nigger orcs

>Dailies, aka "Participation rewards" for retards.
Dailies as they were in BC were fine. They weren't some core part of the game, you did them if you wanted to for gold + optional reps with factions that rewarded you with cosmetic shit like mounts. It wasn't like MOP dailies/modern WQs where they are a daily chore you have to do every day or you fall behind in character progression.

>ignore
You don't ignore them though, you just don't use them in a raid. The game has a lot going on outside of raids you big dumb wrathbabb

God I fucking miss MoP Prot

it was an amazing single player game, i guess

You used those talents and those spells to compliment your main style, or to do stuff your best spec is not good for.

based soothsayer

absolutely fucking based. thank you for being on my board intelligent user. please never leave.

You and seething

>Post your Naxx Vanilla clear ty
Whether or not x% of the population already cleared it doesn’t matter, moron. It was at this point that blizzard realized they could rehash whatever the fuck they wanted with little to no effort and it could pass as content. Additionally, they made no effort whatsoever to improve upon the original raid in both quality and difficulty, resulting in guilds oneshotting it and quitting forever.
>Every expansion has a meme raid ICC is literally Arthas' end, can't get any more important than that, should be updated for every exp :D
Can’t tell if this is bait or not, but ICC has 0 WC3 scourge aesthetics, and its carried solely by the fact that you fight the lich king in it. And even then, it’s grandeur suffers by having it be the only content for 9 months, thereby making it feel stale. By the way, this also started the trend of 9-12 month content droughts because again, blizzard found out that they could get away with it.
>Babymode Heroics who TF cares about Heroics?
And this is all the evidence I need to know that you’re a wrathbaby. 5-mans in vanilla and TBC used to be very important content, with dungeons in the former being expansive and fun to explore, while those in the latter expansion were linear but difficult. Turning them into wall-to-wall AoE zergfests removed any sort of difficulty gateway into raiding, and set the expectation for dungeons to be piss-easy, as you have clearly proven.

Yay pandas I'm a dumb nigger faggot yay dailies up the ass I'm a coco sucking bitch boy yay boring dungeons yay more rework to actually good content yay let's kill off some more good story and shoe in some fucking pandas yay

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The problem with wow is that it has become a single player game that has an optional multi-player end game. And judging by how so people play, they might as well be AI.

timeless isle was kino if i'm to be quite honest with you

>has become
WoW was already single player friendly since release (from MMORPG standards).

based MoP
>best world to explore
>best and most original lore without fellating nostalgiafags and rtsbabbies
>best soundtrack
>most fun raids
>classes were intricate while remaining unique
>battlegrounds and arena were still fun
>world pvp still happened regularly due to isle of thunder/timeless isle/warbringers
i quit the day it ended and never looked back, with the new graphics turning my characters into a soulless pixar tranny, the plot reverting to REMEMBER OUTLANDS? REMEMBER ORCS? TIME TRAVEL! ALTERNATE UNIVERSES! not to mention the attempt to make it a mobile game via the garrison.

In truth it could only be as good as it was because the pandas drove away the insufferable wrathbabbies just by existing, so blizzard was free to make a proper game for once.

WoW could be played single player from day one. Solo content wasn't a major focus in MMOs until WoW released. Blizzard used it to funnel players form zone-to-zone.

>classes were intricate while remaining unique
lmao mopcubs are the cutest dude
>every spec has AOE
>every spec has CDs
>half the specs in the fucking game have an immunity
>almost every spec has a defensive raid CD (ROGUES HAVE A DEFENSIVE RAID CD LMAO)
The rotations were the only good part of class design in MOP, and they are the least important part of class design.

MoPbabbies think that having an intricate rotation = better game, but they fail to realize how horribly homogenized every class is in function, and how “bring the player not the class” is awful design

Literal nonironic zoomers who are more focused on pressing the shiny light up buttons on their actionbar than the fucking massive game they are pressing those buttons inside.

That way designing encounters is easy, so MoP branlets and nu-WoW players can say "bosses have more mechanics!", no shit, is easier if everybody can do AoE, self-heal/shield/bubble, dispell, etc. Wide and deep as a puddle mechanics and bosses.

Also this. Who the fucks play a MMORPG to play the same character that everybody with your class, follow a flowchart and the instructions of an addon? Pathetic.

DESE ODDA CRANS ARE BENEATH YOU MY KING
DEY SURRY DE REGACY OF OU PEEPO

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Playable Mogu when?

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I beat you didn't even beat Onyxia.

Up to Twin Emperors playing with my RL friends.

MoP will always have a place in my heart
but im a bias warlock main so

fuck rep grinds tho

Watching zoomers LARPing as boomers out themselves by moaning about pandas never gets old.

>Nothing to do

This is unironically a plus now that we have the shitshow that's BFA. BFA forces you to play its shitty game while WoD didn't give you any sort of pressure to keep playing.

WoD also had the decency to at least keep itself contained lore-wise, too. It's like they knew they were making a shitty expansion and did everything they could to keep it from the main overarching story. BFA on the other hand has ruined WoW's story permanently with zero chance of recovery.

Even though WoW's story was been questionably terrible after Wrath, there was always a small chance for it to be better. BFA has ruined any chance of that happening ever again.

where can i get a rundown on how the story went down the shitter

>Its been 7 years since MoP and blizzard still has yet to to make a better expansion

Why is it so hard for blizzard to get things right twice. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel every single xpac

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>>WoD also had the decency to at least keep itself contained lore-wise, too
You means besides the fact the Legion needed Gul'dan to open the portal at the Tomb of Sargeras, and BfA happened because Legion happened?

I played an elemental shaman and I agree.
>mfw lightning bolt on the move

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>WoW's story was been questionably terrible after Wrath
More like after Vanilla. BC and Wrath were a shitshow lore wise

>WoW's story was been questionably terrible after Wrath
WoW's story was been terrible since the first day.

>forsakens in the horde
>nelfs in the alliance
Just fuck my lore up, sempai.

*kills glaives and wins with chad hangar + resources strat*

>What the hell was Blizz doing the whole time?
Hanging around in Goldshire

Gul'dan's story can be very easily retconned by just saying the Burning Legion resurrected him. It's the only thing you need to know about WoD that impacts the overarching story. Even if you don't want to ignore, all you need to is tell a new player

>WoD brought back Gul'dan and Mag'har orcs. This is the only impact the xpac had on the story. You can ignore everything else.

>Say you hate the expansion for the influx of kung fu pandas
>People just call you hateful, spiteful, mad, etc
The expansion literally was garbage until Throne of Thunder, only because Throne didn't involve pandas. Siege was good too, what with Garrosh taking the power of an old god and not being corrupted. Everything else though was awful. MoP's only saving graces were the final two raids, but even then the expansion as a whole was worse than Orclords of Orcnor.

Wrath > TBC > Vanilla > MoP > Cata (1st half) > Legion > WoD > Cata (2nd half ZG/ZA/Firelands/DS) > BFA

For BFA? I'm not sure of any videos that summarize all the terrible shit BFA has done for its story, but the cracks began to show with Sylvanas and her cuck toy Nathanos.

youtube.com/watch?v=TVp7yLfnmrE

>Sylvanas has always been this morally grey character, Blizzard has stated several times that's what she is. BFA Forcefully pushes her into a straight psychotic bitch with no real character development to gradually push her towards that.

>All background lore is done through books

>Jaina's character developments outside of BFA are never touched, like her relationship with Kalec.

>Significant Lore characters screen time is reduced to a patch. Tyrande's vengeance plotline for Teldrassil burning down is condensed into a fucking instanced 20 man scenario, and she doesn't even get to kill Nathanos

>Azshara, a character we've known for 20+ years is reduced to a single patch of content.

>Zandalari trolls make zero fucking sense being in the horde

There's a ton of other shit, but the problem is that all of these issues are woven into the overarching story of WoW. There's no way to retcon or fix this shit and we have to live with its consequences until WoW dies.

There's literally nothing to do in BFA you fucking moron

you're wrong. the simple existence of m+ is enough to prove you wrong.
the real problem is that there's lots to do but you either have a microscopic chance (or worse, a chance at a chance) at anything of worth or it requires far too much effort for what it's worth

>Farm artifact power every day
>Farm Mythic+ hoping for random titanforges with gem slots
>Do your weekly mythic raid

user?

youtube.com/watch?v=HM40cK5tu7w

The BFA dungeons are terrible even with Mythic+. Pandaland and WoD had superior Mythic+ experiences.

i enjoyed flying but this is 100% correct. Flying is the antithesis to a large, fun world to explore. Flightpaths were basically just slow teleports and thus not actual "flying".

>i don't like it so it's not content!!!!
ah the nonargument of a permanent whiner

>In just 3 days this image will no longer be bait worthy

Time flies

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>wrath on top
wrathbabbies should all be shot

BFA content is worthless if it's all terrible.

Horde or Alliance for Classic?

I've always preferred Alliance, but I'm thinking I might roll Horde this time.

I'm really just trying to avoid all the autistic DEUS VULT faggots and I get the impression they're all rolling Alliance.

The Sha were a children's bedtime story to tell children to scare them to sleep. None believed they were so real.

The Shado-Pan kept the Sha from boiling over by periodically allowing warriors of their own to be taken over, so that the Sha can be weakened through being purged by their cleansing

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>I forget but is the average pandaren citizen aware of the threat of y'shaarj awakening?
Only the Shado-Pan were aware of the Sha. Would you really risk the general populace being afraid of something that feeds on fear and doubt?

Based. I can't believe people are actually getting nostalgic about MoP now. I guess that's what happens when every next expansion is worse than the one before it.

It had a rough start, but ended up being an amazing expac.
I still regret to this day not playing a paladin and getting the challenge mode armor, got it on a shaman and it looks like absolute trash.

KT got a new voice actor because the original voice actor was asked to voice the lich king because the original lich king quit because they wouldn’t pay him more than what they paid him for Warcraft 3

>girls
Ask me how I know you're a virgin

I'm only nostalgic about it because it was back when I was just getting out of College. Nice to reminisce about the last time I really enjoyed WoW, didn't have responsibilities and regularly kept in contact with friends.

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>with few exceptions
yea, the exceptions being the 2 pieces of gear that wasnt "dude chinese pandas xD" themed?

don't care what anyone says, ignoring arenas, legion was a really good expansion in many ways, AP grind in legion honestly wasn't that bad, legion raids were REALLY good, and m+ was and is a good system

Most of the gear in MoP wasn't even panda themed though. Pretty much either Mogu or Sha themed except for the Monk sets which obviously are going to be more Panda themed due to that being the main race for them.

yea, i meant the whole "china theme" and the fucking horrid looking "jade" weapons and stuff like that

Every time i ask someone why wrath was good he says
>muh arthas
>muh epic conclusion of wc3.
HOW?
If you are a wc3 fan this expac is terrible, just like Tbc. It rapes the lore and the RTS characters. Anubarak, Kelthuzad, Arthas are all big fucking failures.
>Turns everyone into a loot pinata
Thanks for the conclusion, really

if you like vanilla you should like mop, the main character in mop was the world, as was in vanilla

Vanilla
>Best scale for levels and itemization
>Best talent system
>Perfect imbalanced class design that made each class really fun to play
>World full of soul and adventure
>Tough

TBC
>boring outlands aestetics
>Cool new races
>Flying mounts ruined world exploration
>Resilience made pvp gay
>End game was a fucking mess

WOTLK
>Cool new zones to explore
>Dumbed down Class balance making every class similar
>DK's were OP as fuck
>Too many Rep Grinds
>Same Flying problem
>easy as fuck leveling dungeon Queue grinding
>empty world

CATA
>All of its bad

MOP
>Cozy fun world to explore
>Varied class design
>Dailies were just tedious enough and easy enough to do
>Raids were cool

WOD
>okay where are all my spells
>Cool quests and world design
>Not much to do at max level
>Garrison got old after a month

Legion
>way to much stuff to do, can never complete the game no matter how hard i try
>Fel Fatigue

BFA
>Cool new zones
>Cookie Cutter leveling and Kinder suprise story telling
>Boring class design
>nothing to do

delivery for who ever asked me to draw an orc and night elf butt in some other thread

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>KJ's cunny
Jesus I forgot all about that spell. Fucking MOP warlocks.

If Classic doesn't last long enough for them to roll out the other expansions, would Retail be worth at least a one time playthrough for the plot?

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>we're never getting Harvest Life back again

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Classic will almost definitely take off, similar to OSRS. Live should be retooled to just drop all content but raiding and PVP, and all dropped resources moved to Classic.

Debate me.

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no

The gameplay doesn't actually have anything to do with the plot

Example:

You have to like save some guy from this town from the alliance to get him to do something or w.e

theirs like 3 quests involving clicking things

killing 10 dudes

than killing some boss

All of it is extemely easy, i mean a 6 year old could complete it

than when ur done, all that meaningless easy shit chores, you get a bit of dialogue and a deus ex thing that makes it all fine

than you wait for the next chain in the quest, and theres no consequences for anything you did

If you wanna read the story just go on you tube

your actions in game have nothing to do with the story

They should kill current wow and bring transmog, pet collecting, arenas and mythic+ to classic, it would be the perfect game.

I can literally tell from how you type that you're either wildly uneducated or under 18.

>bring all this non classic stuff to Classic
C'mon son. Someone will make tmorph for Classic soon. Or whatever it's called now since Starship was told he can't maintain it anymore.

They should relaunch Pandaria desu

but all those things would improve the game? or you like tank and spank dungeons that are snooze fest?

Literally nothing after TBC is worth playing so thats a pointless comparison.

Oh look, my rhino turd is better than your elephant turd!

Still visit my garrison almost daily

>Tyrande not killing Nathanos like a bitch
yikes they could have atleast kept some semblance of wc3 powerlevles

isnt nathanos the self insert of some cuck writer at blizzard? some literal beta tweeting anti trump shit all day, someone posted it in another thread

Do you not see the irony here?

>he doesn't have a exclusive golden turd
Sour grapes.

modern wow looks like a cheap wow clone

MoP was a comfy expansion to be a casual in.

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>the Alliance is filled with manlets
No wonder why the Horde is more popular

>MoP was a comfy expansion to be a casual in.
Absolutely. As a casul I enjoyed it a lot, and enjoyed it the most of all post-tbc expansions. It definitely gets too much hate because of the panda shit.

MoP is so comfy, even barely working private servers can suck you in for a month.