*is such a great villain that everyone else kind of pales in comparison in your path*

HOLY SHIT HE DOES LOOK LIKE YANDEREDEV

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All of P5's villains are strawman moustache-twirling villains for a reason. When you're in the Prison of Regression in the final dungeon, that game makes it a point that while these assholes are assholes, they show one extreme that humans are supposed to be full of ambition and desire, while the puppets shown in the cognitive prison are what happens in Yaldabaoth's world where every human has no desire whatsoever in exchange of security.

Also they do question what justice is, which was during their whole ordeal with Haru's dad in palace 5, since they fell into the trap of trying to pander to what people want them to do instead of acting what they thought was justice (which was already questioned by Akechi during their field trip at the TV Studio)

that kind of thing is unfortunately common user

Jesus no wonder his game sucks, he can't see the screen to code with that canopy between his eyes.

Madarame also let Yusuke's mom die.

People say the game's villains fall off after Kamoshida, and they do, but Madarame was the smallest step down. I really like his dungeon too, especially towards the end when it goes fucking crazy because of the secret he's hiding

>B-BUT RAPE IS SUCH A SHOCKING THING TO DO GUYS!
>What do you mean extortion, fraud, blackmailing and mass political manipulation are bad? They pale in comparison to rape 11!!!1

The personal beef between the thieves and him is what makes it so satisfying.

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got a hearty kek from me

He was not even the most evil, but he was 100% PERSONAL and a motherfucker you want to deal with all your soul after what he's done

dont get me wrong i liked shido but at times he felt a bit generic while kamoshida was such a love to hate asshole that beating him felt more satisfying. i really hope P5R expands on suzui since she pretty much disappears from P5 vanilla after the first arc

The problem is that all of those things don't feel personal in the slightest. And yes, Rape, due to it's rarity as a plot device, feels much more significant than all of those things.

hue, you got me

the jawline really does separate virgins from chads

His Palace is impactful not only because of the nature of his crime, but because it impacts the characters you've gotten to know up to that point pretty directly, involves you to the point that you see the motherfucker every day at school, and allows you to directly see the results of his actions in the form of Shiho trying to commit suicide just to escape it.

Madarame and the rest are a step down because half the time it's telling you how bad these guys are or you seeing how bad they are in their Palaces instead of their actions in the real world, or you just aren't that invested beyond tangible relation. Kaneshiro is literally "dude Yakuza shit" and you don't even see Okumura acting like an asshole to employees, you only hear about it and see what he thinks of them. Hell, Haru's fiance feels more like the direct villain of that arc since he at least fucking does shit.

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it's not the rape, it's how personal the problem feels to the player character. if it was just the rape the psy looking yakuza dude would be the one talked about most since he was literally blackmailing students into prostitution

Should've been born a woman dumbfuck.

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Hé molested and abused his students

>try to pick up P5 once again
>drop it after a few hours
Does Persona 5 have the most down time in-between gameplay segments out of the modern trilogy? I don't remember 3 and 4 having these long ass stretches where it was people just talking or doing some class relates thing. I just finished Summer Break in P5, after the very length beach sequence, now I guess we're going to Hawaii next week? Good lord. I just wanna be the Phantom Thieves or so my own S.Link stuff please.

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Summer was rather busy in P3 as well. There's the vacation to recruit Aigis, then summer classes almost immediately after

They all have the longest fucking stretches at different points; it only feels longer here because everyone is so tired of them
I know people whose first persona game was 5 and they told me the same shit I felt with 3; it was fucking magical

I remember Persona 4's opening stretch being like two hours of nonstop dialogue with a brief tutorial somewhere in there.

4 kind of shocked me with how long it took for me to get my first dungeon. Like two and a half hours. Fuck.

There are some holes in the formula but with how well received P5 has been and how well received Royal inevitably will be I'm afraid Atlus won't try to make any huge improvements moving forward to P6

>villain

Going to instincts it's not a vile, just nature. You don't call dog or cat villain right?

The mark of the civilized, moral and educated man is suppression of animalistic, base instinct in favor of higher reasoning and better qualities.

Rape is a very personal and hated crime

>better qualities.
like winning a gold medal with a broken freakin' neck

>The mark of the civilized, moral and educated man is suppression of animalistic
Jokes on you. Kaneshida was working among young pheromone spreading girls, I bet you will be too on his place because of nature. There is reason why man can not teach young girls in schools.

The game really started strong. I enjoyed it all the way through, but the start clearly had way more effort put into it.

>The Palace grows more distorted as we get near the treasure!

Only applied to him.

>We're thieves

He and Madarame were the only ones you actually stole from. The rest were aware of you the entire time.

>Safe rooms are separate from the cognition

Literally only made sense for the first two, maybe three dungeons.

>Akechi was alright, not good just alright, overall his plan comes off as petty and stupid and its weird how the PT forgives him after he directly and indirectly murdered a few dozen people.

Including two of their parents. In cold blood.

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Just beat this game for this first time. Overrated but still pretty good.

Makoto > Haru > Takemi > Hifumi > Chihaya >>>>> Ohya >>>>>>>> dog shit >>>>>>> Kawakami >>>>>>>>> cancer > aids >>>>>>>> Futaba

I think P5 feels like it has long stretches of nothing happening because they balanced the game a lot around people taking multiple days to finish a Palace and shit when most of the time you can just get it done in one and free up space on the calendar

>makotofags

>Kaneshida
Kamoshida was extremely rude, and did beating girls that's crime.

>ugh I really want to bang an underage highschool girl
woah such great writing

Director the school know about this, it's crime too.

>Makato>

stopped reading there
it's impressive that people can have taste that shit

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Makoto > Futaba > 123 > Kawakami > Takemi > Ann > Haru > Chifuya > Ohya

>Game shoves down your throat for 10 hours that teachers dating students is bad
>Turns around and lets you date your teacher
Atlus is fucking retarded.

Yeah you right. Man shouldn't be in school with girls because of that. It was a bait for Kamoshida.

This.

Makoto isn't bad but you're still wrong
Kawakami's romance is the best in the game. Not only are her confidant abilities are the most useful and she gives Joker an actual personal gift in Hawaii instead of something cheaply bought from a gift shop. Mutual support is the foundation of a great relationship. Two people helping eachother through their problems in their own ways. That shows most in kawakami's romanced confidant and its why I think its the best.

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god tier taste user

Girl tried to do a suecide becouse of that.

The big problem is that so very few of them feel like actual threats until the party makes them ones themselves. You can't escape Kaneshiro and you see his actions actually affect the people around you. Madarame stealing paintings is really mild and the game had to shoehorn some stuff in about him letting Yusk's mom die and even then it barely acknowledges that. Kaneshiro is a threat but only because everyone knows what the Mafia is and that it's bad but he didn't do shit to you till you brought shit to him and even then he's pretty hands off. GoodBurger was just a shitty boss. I suppose Shido was bad news but outside electoral fraud what was he really gonna do? Raise taxes?
Then the game does the same thing 4 did and pull out a last minute god to deal with that was there the whole time we swear. Everything just feels really anemic threat wise.

The old games follow a more straight forward JRPG so maybe it's not fair to compare how they do their villains but the old villains didn't fucking play. Everything just feels too safe. The villains can't touch you because you take the fight to the second world.

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>Game tells you coercing students into sex and raping them is bad
>Turns around and let's you enter a consensual romantic relationship past the age of consent

Yea Forums is fucking retarded.

I would've spent more time with her if her face didn't look weird.

Man, I can't judge him. Does this make me wrong?

Given how you are supposed to judge him, yes, you are wrong.

No. Judging is not up to any human, but to God himself as you stand before the pearly gates.

I guess, he really should be born a woman then.

Other than the whole "last minute god did everything" thing I agree with you, at least here they foreshadowed it pretty well with the twins' confidant and Igor being generally pretty weird this time if you were paying attention

Well, god did judged him, alright.

I mean, yea? Rape is much more violent and life changing for the victim than "political manipulation" you sped. Would you rather be raped or tricked into voting for someone?

>at least here they foreshadowed it pretty well with the twins' confidant and Igor being generally pretty weird this time if you were paying attention

Kind of. I blame this on them locking important story shit behind social links again. It's all there and there's no reason NOT to have done the twins confidant as it's damn useful but none of that really points to DEMIURGE! Unless there's some seriously heavy Gnostic stuff Im not remembering. And I was willing to just write the new voice and mannerisms off on it being because the old actor died and the games continuity with the others being kind of loose. If you didn't know the series you wouldn't know Igor is off and the end god could have been any random deity for how much it mattered theme wise.

That's also a really good point. Kamoshida is the only active villain. You learn he's a dick early on but you get to see his dickery and also he gets worse. culminating in him raping Shido and then her suicide attempt.
Everyone else is reactive. They just sit around and wait for their entire arc.
Good villains or antagonists in other games are usually active, they shake things up and go out for the player.
Perhaps its disasteful to make a comparison but it feels natural. I just finished Persona 5 a few days ago and I find myself replaying Pyre. A RPG about a group of friends wronged by society seeking freedom and societal change with lots of text and dialogue. Similar themes.
The two moments in Pyre that were most memorable to me is when the man who asked your party to come together asks the question what is freedom and after you reply gives a lengthy speech revealing his intention to reform society. I touched on how Persona5 lacks that already.

The other most memorable moment is when you enter the wagon, the home of the protagonist, the same screen you've seen countless times and where one of your party members should be is the main antagonist. It is entirely unexpected and extraordinarily intense. I've seen it described fittingly as "The one point where you feel the protagonist in danger" Not only does it allow you to better understand the villain it makes things personal. Of course the context and antagonist of Pyre is exceedingly different from any of P5.
But the point is Kamoshida has that moment. Kamoshida gets in your face and makes things feel like they have weight. After that, the fact no other palace owner does (Except I guess Shido but even then its kind of brushed off) is disappointing.

>. culminating in him raping Shido

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I think the staff said the heroes and villains mirror each other, so the villains can have points and the heroes do questionable things. The contrast between the heroes and villains is made so great that players won't question who's good or bad in a situation, but matters of hypocrisy and such are there for anyone to catch or be self-aware of.

Personally I like when the shadow murderhobo finally calls out the PT on acting so self-righteous when they are brainwashing people and they just get mad at him.

Shido had an assassin kill hundreds of people to sway the election towards him

he'd be a good fuck

But you don't fight the assassins. Not the real ones. You fight Shido through the safety of the cognition world where he not only doesn't know who you are, but monsters aside, you have an overwhelming advantage. You only find out the depths of his actions in a rather second hand fashion.

There's stuff to work with what with him being the reason you've got a bad wrap but even then he doesn't really present any major threats to you personally

>But you don't fight the assassins.
You don't fight with the gun, you fight with the shooter right?

Akechi was his assassin who killed hundreds
And he was pretty real when you fought him in the cognitive realm.

Shido also ordered the death of Futaba's mother

>But you don't fight the assassins.

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>You fight Shido through the safety of the cognition world
I guess the Game Overs in the Palaces are just Joker getting depressed and going home.

A girl in my highschool tried to do a suicide because a boy she liked called her names at a party. Female suicide attempts are a meme.

>Female suicide attempts are a meme.
Still it makes less vagina to bang. And less reasons PT to exist.

You fight the pretend cognition version of him yes.

Yes, you do fight Goro. Ill concede there. Problem is, Goro is lame. Not only do you outnumber him but he goes from pretend ally to enemy faster than it takes me to write this.

>Game overs typically aren't cannon. Also get good. Also, the cognition world is one you enter voluntarily. Stay outside of it and you're safe. This isn't the same thing as the Last Battalion tearing up the streets of Tokyo looking for crystal skulls.

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>It's not canon so the threat isn't real to these characters
LOL You might as well just say 'it's a video game it's not REALLY dangerous'.

I don't know why I green texted that last bit. Point is, most of the danger you face is self inflected.

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Madarame is even more of a piece of shit if you bother talking to all the NPCs around the city at the time.
You run across a few of his former students and every one of them had their lives ruined and are living awful lives.

>Just don't go into the TV world it's fine. Murderer only goes for Bitches and Whores
>It's just the midnight hour. Just wait for it to end. Apathy Syndrome might not even get you!
>Just let Kamoshida do whatever. It's too dangerous to go into that other world again.

Immediate threat
Immediate threat
We already said that Kamoshida was actually the good one. The issue is everyone else. Kamoshida was a good threat. Everyone else is you poking the bee hive because HOLY FUCKING SHIT WE'RE PHANTOM THIEVES!

Adachi unironically wouldve been a better fit for P5

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Threat to who though? Other kids? Joker didn't have to bother with him. He could have stayed in his corner of the classroom. He didn't have to confront Kamoshida. He wasn't on a sports team. He didn't even know who the fuck Shiho was in a personal sense. It's personal for Ann. Ryuji. Joker could have fucked off. But he chose to confront Kamoshida. It wasn't personal. It was just wrong what the dude did.

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When you think about it some, Adachi taking his resentment of the system out on two random women provides a dark contrast to the Phantom Thieves punishing the people at the root of their problems. Magatsu is even represented by a black and red color scheme.

Kamoshida is EPIC!

Goddamn, she's too sweet

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Quite plainly she's just a woman who cares. Perhaps too much sometimes.

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>You will never spend all day cuddling in bed with a loving supportive Kawakami gf

Why the fuck was I even born

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women are superior to men, therefore older women can date younger boys. I say that unironically and you gotta fucking grow up and accept that not everyone and everything is equal.

Kawakami isn't even an "older woman" to some anons, but the qt their own age that they yearn for.

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I’ve wanted to be /ss/‘d for as long as I remember but now I’m too old to live the dream so I cope by self-inserting as characters that get to bang older women. The instant that I found out the teacher could be romanced in P5, I knew that I had no other choice.

>dose it again in Q2
this man cant be stopped.

Oh yeah, is the anime worth watching at all?

>no fishing date with Kawakami
god damn it i just want to do old people things with her

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It’s trash. It’s got some pretty alright Kawakami fanservice but you can just look up her scenes on YouTube, the anime itself is a shoddy attempt at converting the game to an anime.