How do we fix the shotgun problem in fps games?

What are some games with good shotguns?

high damage high time to fire
Serious Sam is a good example of how to do it, generous range and damage, but really a tool for certain enemy types

remove damage falloff, each bullet giving small damage, so you give a lot of damage close since most bullets will hit and give less far away, but still, a bullet is a bullet.

The point is, you can still get a hard damaging headshot from far away with a shotgun.

Bad Company 2

The shotgun in Ion Fury is strong and can 1 shot enemies from pretty long ranges.

I've never liked the shotguns in SS. The double barreled has too much down time and feels marginally stronger than the normal shotgun. Doom 2 honestly got it right, with the double barreled having big down time but doing disgusting damage.

>automatic shotgun
>cant 1hk

Given the close quarters nature of modern combat, Shotguns have as much a place as ever

There is no problem with them.

Unless you're playing Fortnite, the shotguns in this game are weak as fuck. They are shitguns.

Sbr better at everything

Killing Floor 1 and 2

a nuke is better than an SBR for room clearing

Insurgency 2 & Insurgency Sandstorm

warframe mafia2 stalker all the metros bc2. pretty much anything where there isnt significant damage falloff.
the reason to not use shotguns should be low capacity not bullets dissolving after 10 ft

Revert to doom 1. Solved.

Resident evil 4 default shotgun can deal full damage at ANY range when full upgraded

Its not

Bad Company 2's shotguns are mad overrated. They get the exact same stats as the bolt action rifles when you load them with slugs.

Is the room cleared after a nuke detonates inside it?

Weapon damage curves based on armor/caliber penetration rather than range.

Halo: CE shotgun is a beast.

Who cares what matters is the nuclear war you just started.

Okay, all the rooms are cleared now.

>when full upgraded
Exactly, you need to UPGRADE it in order for it to be a godly weapon. You EARN it, but at the start the weapon fills its niche.

every gun has it's wacky attributes
shotty is close range big damage
pistols are high ammo low damage
automatic guns tend to have high fire rate and low accuracy/damage
snipers are high damage low capacity or high reload
etc

Carbines and SMG tend to be better. Shotguns are generally being relegated special purpose weapons even in law enforcement. Breaching doors and stuff like using less lethal ammunition in crowd control situations.

extra gibs

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Stop with damage dropoff/disappearing pellets. Let the spread itself reduce damage.

Realistic, reduce the spread increase the range.
Fun, increase damage increase range

>I'm such a gaming god, mouse and keyboard hitscan with none of that bob or console aim-down-sight bullshit, that's the way it ought to be, popping headshots while strafejumping, 150 IQ hardcore gaming right th—
>OOOOOHHHHH NNOOOOOO THAT'S FUCKING RETARDED YOU DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER AIMING WITH THAT SHOTGUN YOU JUST SPRAYED AND PRAYED, GET THIS 12 GAUGE KEKSHOT CHEATING BULLSHIT OUT OF MY SHOOTERS, 1V1 ME WITH PISTOLS ONLY FAGGOT

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I don't own a shotgun, but I don't think it works like that...

>pistols are high ammo low damage

Pistols almost universally have lower magazines than automatics. Standard for automatics is 30 rounds, pistols rarely hit 20 rounds. Pistols are almost always spammy and weak or high damage high recoil and low capacity.

>automatic guns tend to have high fire rate and low accuracy/damage

The only thing that out damages rifles would be snipers and shotguns, and that's only per shot.

The real problem with shotguns is that they're ultimately low skill weapons in 90% of shooter games. So many games give them this fucking huge cone of destruction in front of them and makes the pellet spread super big and random within that cone of fire.

Siege makes me lose my mind with it's shotguns. Going from full health to dead with one blast to my knees from 20 feet away while I can hit someone 2 times and half the range and not kill them feels like a total dice roll.

Super Shotgun in DOOM is the king. It's not the only worthwhile weapon in deathmatch but it's the one that will get majority of kills (unless the map you're on makes it difficult to get one).

Team Fortress 2

reduce spread & make them an accurate 2 shot weapon

the fucking 1-shot at point blank & chip damage from 2 feet away or further trope is garbage

reaper from overwatch has the worst shotguns i've ever seen

Fear with Ion Fury level design.

Shotguns work well in TF2 because the game doesn't really have strong automatics. I really like how TF2 handles them, but in any psuedo realistic fps they'd be far too weak.

>use the shotgun
>the worst gun in the game
>kill someone
>"fuck off shotgun guy"

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nonsense

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Shotguns don't feel good to fire unless a game has dismemberment.FACT!

>cleared
Implies that the structure is still standing, so no it isn't.

>have fuckhuge damage
>have a real choke
>apply enemy armor to each pellet
fixed
Games with flying enemies but no shotgun good against them are shit

Breaching utility
Different ammo types
More realistic engagement distances

RE4 is a single player game. Shotguns function better in single player game because balance is less important.

>close quarters meme
A viable combat shotgun is
-big
-heavy (as much if not more than a typical service rifle)
-much lower ammo capacity
-depending on the ammunition much less lethal to anything with armor
As said, the only time a shotgun might be practical is when cops are dealing with nogs or other poorly trained/equipped criminals. If I'm going off against someone with an automatic then the best chance you have is to have something that can shit out rounds just as fast.

Same way you fix every other gun in FPS games.

Get rid of assault rifles. When guns don't have to compete with the 'do everything' weapon it means that they don't have to be pigeonholed into an extreme niche. Look at how versatile shotguns are in TF2, or how in Fistful of Frags they're actually designed around reliable midrange damage.

multiplayer games are shit by default

Shotguns in KF1 were perfect

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Doom (original, 2016 sucks)
TF2
Alien Swarm
Brigador
Earth Defense Force

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Literally every game with shotguns and all voice chat.

totally accurate battlegrounds
maximum action
the rising storm games

There's nothing to be fixed. It serves a crucial gameplay role. It may not be 'realistic' but it works as intended.

who cares about that
satisfying and fun gameplay is more important

STALKER Call of Chernobyl modded

No shit, Sherlock.

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>meme of chernobyl
why? you're aware that all the weapon packs available for it are also available for CoP?

thiiiiisss

This is what I really wanted from BF1. Shotguns were quite common in trench warfare, and I thought that if they didn't have assault rifles then shotgun could be given fairly realistic ranges and still shine. Nope. They're all feather dusters, even at close range.

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I think TF2 did it best with the Scout primaries because they work well with Scouts abilities
>have shit range
>slow reloads
>high damage potential
>high mobility
>low health
It rewards skilled players who can use the scouts mobility to avoid damage while getting as close as possible to the enemy to deal damage, as well as managing reloads

I really wish there was a game that would focus on this & expand upon it

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Modern carbines are more accurate and more maneuverable in confined spaces. The thing shotguns used to have over rifles and carbines was relative safety of those innocent bystanders with good stopping power and relatively low over penetration, kills fast and unlikely kill a kid behind a wall. Couple decades ago the go to alternative for shotguns for police were SMG's. Now with bodyarmors becoming cheaper and more common, 9mm might not be enough. There are plenty of different types of 5.56mm ammunition that have different penetration characteristics, good enough for flexible bodyarmor, but not too dangerous to people in general direction of suspect.

you cannot make them realistic without making them OP, why is that so hard to understand you autist?

Put snipers outside the map/remove them if you're doing a cqc/medium sized map game.
Make assault rifle have collision on walls and or full auto hard to control
Stop adding bullet spray on the move whe using shotguns, this shit is infuriating
Make shotguns still dangerous at medium distance, but weak against armor

Doom had it right. Shotgun is your all purpose gun that can even snipe but at less damage from a distance.

Literally, learn how to hide and aim

Or don't pick a weapon you can't handle

Rainbow 6 Siege destruction makes shotguns alot of fun

too bad the game itself sucks my huge throbbing dick

tf2

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Siege has pretty good ones

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shotguns shoot more than 3 feet away

>tf2 has good shotguns
>nobody uses them
ok they're so good though lol

tf2 shotguns are pretty decent, the real problem there is nobody can aim

Depends on how you want to define 'fun' for the type of game.

Just add another barrel.

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Max Payne long-range shottys