MGS2

the creation of infrastructure to spread an idea is just as important as creating the idea itself

OP is a fag

>Roy AI

the only reason why I skipped that speech.

He lied to me before, why should I believe him now?

>revolutionary story telling
Literally nobody says this. Also if that's the only point you get out of it you missed the point.

the colpnel ai is literally fucking asking us if we think it's truly worse fireden archiving this shithole filled with wojsk edits. it's trash data, but it's culture

Emma confirms it, the President confirms it, Ames confrimed it, plus there isn't any reason to lie at the end either.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying the reason it's hailed as so great by people in gaming is, in part, due to it being their first exposure.

yeah dood muh Call of Duty storytelling is better ad infinitum

MGS 2 really had a good Twist in the end, and a great Story if you can stomach that much kojima
of course People are hyping the shit out of it on the Internet, just look how they make fucking 50 Minute Videos on fucking Mario storylines

still it was a great Story nonetheless

'the junk data will slow down social progress'
he's talking about shitposters derailing discussion threads, and he's talking about how 15 year old forum posts by people get brought up continuously, stifling conversation and not allowing it to move forward

'digital society selectively rewards convenient half-truths'

>still it was a great Story nonetheless

until Arsenal Gear flushed it down the toilet

It's less revolutionary about how a government body will use technology to control the masses but more about how collective consciousness born from the internet shapes public opinion and becomes a ruling class itself. I would rewatch the ending again with this in mind.

But that is how it has always been.
It's exactly the same way with the news. People complaining that good journalism is so rare nowadays and most of it is fake and irrelevant. That's how it has always been, 10, 20, 50 years ago.
Junk data isn't new, information filters aren't new, discussing stupid misinterpretations isn't new.
It's just human nature, it's confirmation bias. People were always like this, none of this is new. It just describes the shape and for it took in the modern world.
It's not visionary predictions, it's just good analysis.
The internet has been well established by the time it came out anyways.

This is exactly the type of people the AI is warning about. Intentionally misinterpreting the game and posting about it online. This person overwhelmingly contributes junk data compared to anything productive. This person will turn there back on the truth no matter how much it is shoved in their face because living a lie is more comfortable.

Should someone like this really have a right to contribute to the internet? Should anyone have to consider what someone like this has to say?

"You exercise your right to 'freedom' and this is the result. All rhetoric to avoid conflict and protect [yourself] from hurt."

seeing ppl do the O RLY owl is not like what we have today with deepfake memes and text to speech, i just think it's amazing how much emphasis was on the whole meme thing as an idea of the digital future, and it is still totally correct, unloke a lot of old goofy scifi shit from 2001

>This person will turn there back on the truth

What truth?

I agree mostly. The reason I enjoy it so much is the prediction of internet culture in something I grew up playing as a kid, so you're right it was my first exposure. But it is also significant for telling a story that ages overall better than most, at least in relevancy. And to tell such a story in a time where games were just starting to find their feet in the story department is impressive.

People give Kojima a lot of flak because his obvious film influences when making games and a lot of the flak is deserved, but when I think back on the stories that stuck with me from young gaming, MGS1 and 2 sit near the top simply due to the time they came out.

Any truth that's easier to ignore.

But that's exactly what it was, what's the problem? You can tell someone why the Nazis burnt books but how can you make them directly feel the effect of manipulation? That's what MGS2 did.

pol sez nazis burned porn and communist literature only

This, not to mention that faggot posts this same shit over and over despite being proved wrong every time.

Like I said, what truth? The AI never tells the truth. It's programmed to lie and manipulate at it's very core