SOUL

I don't know what the consensus is on it, but for me personally:

>didn't like the party members. Instead of giving me discount Isaac, Garet, Jenna, just give me the real deal.
>points of no return were annoying
>extremely easy to the point of boredom (TLA at least has some challenge outside of Dullahan/Doom Dragon)
>boring, uninteresting story and villains

I didn't finish it.

They should reboot the franchise
>Golden Sun + The Lost Age - Book One
>Dark Dawn + the sequel hook they never gave us - Book 2
>"The story we actually want to tell, GS+TLA is a prequel story" - Book 3

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no.
the game itself fucking sucks

I meant a remake that fixes the commonly hated mistakes

>EP

The main gripe with DD is that it has multiple points of no return that can cause someone unaware of said points to permanently miss some items and djinn. If there was only like one or two well telegraphed points that people could prepare for, then it wouldn't be too big of a deal. But there were several, and half of them come out of nowhere as you follow the story.

Another gripe is that is was far too easy. I mean, the GBA games weren't exactly hard, but at least some of the boss encounters required a bit of effort. DD was a cakewalk the whole way through. There was little incentive to mess around with the class system like in the GBA games, because even the garbage mono-element classes could steamroll the game.

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>Instead of giving me discount Isaac, Garet, Jenna, just give me the real deal.
DD was at least as original as TLA in that regard. Felix was just another Issac and Sheba was just another Ivan, but the other two were newish. Himi, Eoleo and especially Sveta stood out as new in DD

>(TLA at least has some challenge outside of Dullahan/Doom Dragon)
Only in optional superbosses. First game didn't have any challenge at all.

>boring, uninteresting story and villains
Again, same as the first two games. If anything, DD looked more interesting because the scenario they were setting up didn't seem like it was something that could be copped out of in the way that TLA did with so many plot points

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I played these games for the first time last year and now this franchise is possibly my favorite JRPG franchise. I'm so bummed out that there are only 3 of them.

How would you feel about Tales of Golden Sun being a remake of the first to games to drum up interest for a traditional GS4?

None of these games are ever going to be remade and Camelot will continue to make Mario Golf until the end of time

then it would have to be a completely different game

Camelot with Sega = Soul
Camelot with Nintendo = Soulless

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Anything to get them do something that isn't fucking Mario sports

So do the first two games. Dark Dawn was more of the same, you had just gotten older and played JRPGs that were actually good in the meantime.

Not really, all DD needs is to either remove the points of no return or play smart with them and relocate djinn once they're triggered. Also could use some more bonus dungeons, especially if they could double as some development for the game's underutilized party members that you only get in the tail end of the game

>youtube.com/watch?v=Yig6n6LjSU4
Literally Golden Sun music

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and fix that god awful story and that insult of a final boss and endings (fuck that stupid cliffhanger)

The switch being a hybrid means that Camelot doesn't have to make a handheld and console version of Tennis and Golf. Maybe there's hope.

TLA needs that a lot worse than DD does

I can't wait until they make a third Golden Sun.

wtf
is this real?

sakuraba composed for mario tennis, yes

This.

>The switch being a hybrid means that Camelot doesn't have to make a handheld and console version of Tennis and Golf.
Plus most Switch games are doing better than their predecessors. Golden Sun could very well be revived and manage to do well.
JRPGs are in a pretty good place. If XBC2 can sell 2 million copies, I'm sure a good GS game could.

>Camelot with Snoy
youtube.com/watch?v=5i11kPaBUpk

and octopath traveler too

TLA needs the western side of its map get back any cut content it had. I remember there's a theory that there was meant to be a desert dungeon over on that side because there was a special background in place.

>Camelot just did Tennis twice in a row, they're not going to do it again
>Jumping right to Aces to fix the mess that was Ultra Smash couldn't have been their initial next step, you don't plan to fuck up. And they've already released the final update for Aces anyways.
>Roughly during US development is when they would have been notified for Isaac's notable turnout on the ballot
>They could make Golf next, but the last Golf game was a complete disaster, it sold worse than DD despite the Mario name being attached
>Golf has also not had a trademark renewal, while GS has
>A relatively recent interview has the brothers express interest in making another Shining Force, but Sega won't let them. At the very least this proves they have a hankering to make an RPG again.

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Fact Felix is still the true main character of Golden Sun and will fix the mess that Isaac and his son couldn't and also join Smash.

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docs.google.com/document/d/1VjicdpWU0FbfXgs74Z2ci6fSOyFaxq0zjy7oNoAGtjU/edit
posting this yet again because I find it interesting.

It felt like it had a lot of important things cut. Babi plotline, Sheba's backstory, why Karst and Agatio are even villains at all, Alex's plotline and the Golden Sun, the game building up the fact that Isaac and co are enemies only for you to never actually encounter them as such and the first time you see them in game you fucking rescue them and they join you, etc.

I can't wait for Mario Hockey!

Golden Sun needs cute smug elves.

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>It felt like it had a lot of important things cut.
They needed more time. TLA came out in Japan in less than a year after the first game was released.

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Yes but MORE

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Alternatively, they could have made it so the first half of the game wasn't just the party fucking around looking for a boat and then looking for pieces of a trident

>Alternatively, they could have made it so the first half of the game wasn't just the party fucking around looking for a boat and then looking for pieces of a trident
Fair point, but that's my favorite part of the game.

Is there a game composer more prolific than Motoi Sakuraba?

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>In August 2000, Camelot showed an early but playable version at the Nintendo Spaceworld Expo in Japan
I need to see this.

>tfw you live in the timeline where:
>all aspects of the Shining franchise have been dead for the past 21 years
>there will NEVER EVER be a Shining Force 4
>there will NEVER EVER be a Landstalker remake/remaster that is sorely needed
>Tony Taka has taken permanent reins of the Shining franchise, and as such, be doomed to be nothing but waifu pandering trash
>the rest of Shining Force III will never be officially translated, let alone ported
>there will NEVER EVER be another Golden Sun
>no one from the Golden Sun franchise will ever be playable in Smash despite the franchise's existence since 2001
>none of the incredible Shining games like CD will EVER be translated ported or released on modern consoles
>there will NEVER be a Shining compilation
>the actual Shining franchise will forever remain a niche/cult franchise in the shadow of Fire Emblem
>a great deal of the people behind the God-tier Shining games are either dead, retired, or scattered among too many companies for the series to ever return to its roots
>Camelot literally isn't allowed to make another non-Mario Sports title because DD bombed that hard

I hate this time line so fucking much! ;_;

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I bet it's the version where Mia joins you early.

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>I bet it's the version where Mia joins you early.
Very likely. August 2000 would have been an entire year before the game released. Someone out there has footage of it, we just have to find it.

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youtube.com/watch?v=eQ0S8QHWjzY
Man, GS had some bad commercials and promotional material. How did it ever succeed?

tcrf.net/Prerelease:Golden_Sun

But that's pure soul.

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Feels more like a pitch to investors than a commercial
Speaking of, did anyone ever actually play GS multiplayer? Sounds like it'd be way more interesting than the main game

Interesting that the early version was less bright/saturated. I guess they expected the GBA screen to have a light.

Many fans don't know that Motoi Sakuraba actually recorded a couple of songs in the studio with real bass and drums when they released a special edition of Dark Dawn's OST (in a japanese promotion):
youtube.com/watch?v=xBJJop_zrDA
youtube.com/watch?v=FlTw8GgVKGg

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I bet it was in one of those demo videos you found at Toys R Us.
youtube.com/watch?v=AWh3BUyHrLU

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Never ever Isaacfags

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and then there's the pepe / wojak autist tranny that shows up. Literally kill yourself.

youtube.com/watch?v=aHiqW8O0TAY

cope

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That early version of Vale sounds like something in DD... Patcher's Place?

...Home

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>Thread isn't even about Smash
>Trannies still decide to shit it up

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>REEEEEEE TRANNIES TRANNIES TRANNIES
kek someone is obsessed

Reminder to not give (You)'s to discordtrannies

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Dilate smelly smashfag

Golden Sun is never coming back and Isaac will never get in Smash.

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Golden Sun gacha when?

Reminder that the English version of Golden Sun had a much longer script than the Japanese version and they added a slight delay to the dialogue making all cutscenes much longer for absolutely no reason.
If they remake these games, we better pray that the translators don't suck.

I only ever assigned djinn of the same element to party members. What did I miss out on by not mixing it up?

Smashburb you're an autistic gamefaq furfag that's 29 years old. Is this how you spend your life obsessing and seething over Isaac?

>What did I miss out on by not mixing it up?
Fun. Try Golden Sun Reloaded.

youtube.com/watch?v=r2ik0DQfpUE
Fucking awesome music. I truly believe DD can be redeemed if Camelot tried hard enough.
I just wish they had continued with the old party because I think there was a lot more to do with them.

what's that?

...

That's some good stuff.

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>what's that?
forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?topic=2779.0
The best romhacks these games have in my opinion.

I never realized that these games have an active community.

>Dark Dawn was awful.

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Solden Gun.

Its puzzles were an absolute joke who don't even qualify for the name and the combat was somehow significantly more easy than the combat of the first two games, which was already too easy to make the class system worth engaging with.

it's a game series whose main focus is exploration and returning to previous areas of the game with new magical abilities you didn't have. This exploration rewards you with permanent power boosts in the form of djiin and summons.

Adding a bunch of points of no return completely fucks this entire concept. It doesn't totally invalidate the game, but it's a really messed up thing to do in a game series that was pretty heavy on the notion of you backtracking once you had all the different psyenergies.

>Its puzzles were an absolute joke
I liked Craggy Peak Ruins, the dungeon with the Zodiac puzzles.

Dark Dawn joycons

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DD added a lot of lore that I still don't fully understand.

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you're a fucking retard
I replay both GS1&2 every year and they're still GOTY
mouthbreathing FAGGOT

The ideas are soul.
The execution is soulless.
Dark Dawn isn't really any worse than 1.

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That's why we need this

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Relax dude.

>that part where mia gets sweaty in the desert

my first boner

Koji Kondo
Yoko Shimomura
Nobuo Uematsu

Give me a fucking artbook.

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max soul

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>Felix was just another Issac
I always thought of him as a lot moodier and edgier.

>Sheba
Character writing isn't GS' strong suit, but come on. She fell from the fucking moon and feels lonely and isolated as a result and more like a passive observer than anyone with a real agenda.
youtube.com/watch?v=YyJck2tr7tA
It's as much as anyone'll get from these games in terms of characterization.

Meanwhile Ivan is a timid guy who tries to measure up to people's expectations... or something... As I said, not exactly great character studies these games.

Whoops. Didn't mean to reply.

I want Jenna to sit on my face

Play Reloaded mods.

Comfy

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>I always thought of him as a lot moodier and edgier.
You projected that on to the game and guessed it based on the artwork. His dialogue and actions are practically interchangeable aside from his own context. AKA, his character and Isaac's character aren't actually different, they're just plopped in different scenarios.

>She fell from the fucking moon
That's backstory, not character.
>and feels lonely and isolated as a result and more like a passive observer than anyone with a real agenda.
Again, that's making inference based on the art and your own feelings being projected on to the media.

Golden Sun is so goddamn scant that replacements are meaningless. One version of "water girl" is no better than another. Fucking Dragon Quest has more distinct characters, and that's saying a lot given how little character writing there usually is in those games.

Virtual Console for the Switch when

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I don't get what I did wrong. I blazed through the game in absolutely no time, never even feeling remotely threatened. But Chaos Chimera actually turned into a very extended fight where most of my party went down before I killed it with one of my last people. Granted, my djinn and items were all over the place because the game never made me give a fuck and I still beat it on my first try.
But still. I remember the fight fondly. It amazes me that other people found this thing a joke.
Maybe if I had run around more, I would've overpowered it with levels.

mega.nz/#!J9xlQK5Y!mpS20WfnjRkUBWaJH35Z7GUJtxet0AawLGj4ER_y3Tk
Here's the patched roms. As well as the unpatched roms and I think there was also something to make it work on a hacked DS or something.

fucking retard

>It amazes me that other people found this thing a joke
Everyone I know struggled with it.

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>that entire dungeon/plot you could miss if you didn't ask to get an extra psynergy and back tracked to the second village in the first game

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Speaking of the smithy stuff, I think it'd be nice if you could upgrade equipment.

you could level it on Dark Dawn, that was a cool feature

Actual soul, Dark Dawn is the definition of Soulless.

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>you could level it on Dark Dawn
Really? I had no idea.

>Actual soul, Dark Dawn is the definition of Soulless.
I thought DD was okay for being comprised of almost an entirely new team (fuck you Iwata).

you level the equipment the more you use it on battle, and you unlock new weapon unleashes when you level them up

like being 1/3 as long as the other games?

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It's hard to notice combat mechanics in a game where 99% of combat can be won by spamming A without any sort of decission making.
Don't even need to alternate every second attack target anymore because of targets switching automatically after the old one dies.

>I replay both GS1&2 every year and they're still GOTY
I am truly sorry for your shit taste.

Why's there a big blank space at the bottom?

>It's hard to notice combat mechanics in a game where 99% of combat can be won by spamming A
Sadly this. So much lost potential.

So soul = boredom?
I played the first two when they came out, let's not pretend the psyenergy novelty wore off halfway through and you had a dull JRPG afterwards.

That's this music though
youtube.com/watch?v=iXOXAwsa8Hw
Now THIS is Golden Sun music
youtube.com/watch?v=pvXrsqi7Ggc

How do they do proper 3D remakes without fucking up the artstyle?

Dark Dawn was a very fun game with a good soundtrack and the bestgirl.

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redpilled

Dark Dawn did actually a pretty good job for a DS game

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>Golden Sun
God this fucking takes me back so hard. I can't even imagine how many hours I spent exploring those games, The Lost Age especially once you got the wings for the ship. I still have my GBA somewhere, I think it's time to replay them. It's a shame the GBA wasn't backlit though, it's so comfy laying in bed playing handhelds.

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>All the backlit mods require you to shave away plastic
Maybe I should bite the bullet and get a PSP or Vita

SOUL

>mfw started playing Tales of Vesperia
>keep thinking about GS all the time cause of fucking Sakuraba
I have to find Reloaded again, fuck.

WHY DON'T THEY RELEASE A RELOADED DARK DAWN ROMHACK

I had this which I used myself. It wasn't good, by today's standards, but it worked.

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The guy who made the mods just hates Dark Dawn or something. I dunno.

Amiti best and cutest boy. Alex's genes probably helped.

>find Reloaded again

That's what i get for not reading the thread first, thanks user.

I thought the point of those mods was indeed to improve the games

No, it's just that hacking DD is more difficult. Same reason Pokemon has more hacks for Gen 3 than Gen 4.

youtu.be/uhL0QCFX78E

Why did they never restore the Saturos and Menardi boss fight?

youtube.com/watch?v=mAvpxfKQ5w0
Here you go.

>No Switch collection ever.
>Just like no Megaman Battle Network collection ever.

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There is a version of it out there, although I don't like the way it's mastered. Doesn't sound quite as intense for some reason. But then some user's remaster of Saturos proved that there was still lots of room for improvement in the restored OSTs anyway:
dropbox.com/s/yzltwh7zkdx00np/saturos battle.wav?dl=0

There's also this:
youtube.com/watch?v=-8hXI8Vsue0
...and this:
youtube.com/watch?v=kJWPh8bmaAY

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Hopefully remakes would let us choose between OSTs at anytime.

was very interesting, user, thank you

>remakes
user, I...

Sveta is the only redeemable thing about that game.

I think it shouldn't have gone full-tilt with 8 characters in one game. A 4 man team of Matthew, Sveta, Eoleo, and Amiti gives us an anchor Venus adept and 3 new characters to build the world

go on

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>Sveta is the only redeemable thing about that game.
Hey Amiti was good too! And the OST wasn't that bad either.

>Dark Dawn
>Soul

Rent free

It still bothers me that Himi is such an underwhelming character.
She had the potential to have an awsome story tied with many old characters, and she even reinvented the venus adept archetype, which was always the same.

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I won't give up hope.

alright, maybe I'm too harsh. the puzzles were shit, too much of the game has you running around with exactly 5 characters, the graphics look like a phone game, inability to pick your weapon unleash, and Eoleo and Himi with thrown in at the last 5 minutes of the game.
above average soundtrack, individualized djinn, a mage Venus adept, and bows were positives

GS is dead. Nintendo had official ceased all development of the GS franchise. There will never be a new game or remake ever.

>the puzzles were shit
They were too easy yeah, and there are only a couple of standout dungeons. The graphics were average for a DS game i think (and personally i liked the in-battle ones). Agree with the rest. Also, even if i personally didn't care about Sveta (and actually kinda disliked how she had that special mechanic, made her stand out from the rest of the party) it was nice having a Jupiter fighter.

...

These games were great when I was 11, but playing them later made me realize that they were piss-easy text dumps with generic characters and pretty, clay graphics. Have any of you actually replayed these? Why would you want them back? Let your childhood sleep.

>A relatively recent interview has the brothers express interest in making another Shining Force, but Sega won't let them
This upsets me so much.

>GS, TLA and DD were the prologue of the story.
>If Camelot delayed the game to the 3DS instead of staying on DS they could've continued the series.
>We could've been playing Chapter 2 right now.
Why does it still hurt.

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they're comfy, they have SOUL, they're... Home

>Have any of you actually replayed these?
I do annual replays desu. The gameplay is fun (especially now with Reloaded since you have to actually use and plan classes), the music is always good and i love exploring the world.

that's why they gotta make a Golden Sun 1-2-3 HD collection, perfect for rebooting/continuing the frenchise

>The chosen one(s) band together to stop the revival of an ancient evil using the power of the elements

Fucking yawn.

I don't give a fuck about Smash, but I want to see Felix back. Back when I played the first game I always wanted to play as him and being able to do so in second made me giggle with joy. He was exactly what I expected and deserves everything good. When given the option to change party members I never did so. Piers is also a choice of patrician. Felix the smart, Felix the strong, Felix the best. He also should be with Karst and Sheba. Yes, both.

I replayed them from time to time, but the last playthrough has been some years. Started the first one with that one mod that makes it more difficult and balanced.
The characters aren't really noteworthy except maybe the villains, but the music is still great. Easily good enough listen to by itself sometimes. The artstyle makes it look pretty charming, even today. It was perfect during its time. World building wasn't too bad with some underside magic, alchemy and the decay of the world. Could've been better though. Story was good enough. But for example dungeons were still great. The idea to be able to use magic on the otherworld for some secrets is really good. Not to mention although the dungeons are technically sort of linear, you constantly walk in circles and cross with previous paths. Some puzzles were also good by themselves.

Are you retarded?

but they weren't the chosen ones and they didn't stop the revival of an "ancient evil"

>Touhou Battle Network never
Why live, why take it easy

Reminder that we'll never get to Anemos

>tfw no gravity psynergy

GS is a series where I don't even really want a collection. Either they just port the games, which would make it kinda pointless or they remake all the graphics and music. And while I can still kinda believe Sakuraba can be up to it, I can't imagine Camelot ever going back to its former glory and deliver. I also can't wish for GS4 for the same reason, it'd just be another disappointment. I just highly doubt they know where the charm came from, let alone recreate it.

>being this wrong on purpose

>Reminder that we'll never get to Anemos
>we'll never unravel the mystery behind Anemos and the Tuaparang
>we'll never fight the other 2 generals
>we'll never learn if Babi was the mastermind or if he's the Empyror
>we'll never get Alex's side of the story and how he was doing everything for the greater good
Also reminder that Alex foresaw everything, to the point that he made sure it'd be his kid the one to inherit some ancient psynergy. He probably went around the world having multiple kids just in case they'd be able to inherit specific psynergies.

>can't wish for GS4 for the same reason, it'd just be another disappointment
Funnily enough i think that even if it sucked people would like it after being so disappointed by DD. Also the reason people were so harsh on DD was cause TLA ended on a high note and all those years made the fans build up huge expectations and headcanons. Not saying DD is on par with the original 2 games but it wasn't THAT bad desu.

Reminder that if we were all trees, there'd be no more wars.

>he doesn't know

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But trees do have wars with each other for resources. It's just moving so slow, you wouldn't notice it.

>...cuz we'd be trees.
Preach

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>a comfy GS thread
D-Did the Smash-faggotry finally stop?

Golden Sun 1 had soul, the other two were like ripping off a fingernail

It's still school time on west coast US

Every fan project uses that dark dawn sun as the logo for the entire series and it triggers the fuck out of me. The first game has a big ass sun right in the logo, just use that, it's not hard.

They wouldn't have to do anything outside of removing the password system for reading your save when in TLA and update the graphics. Maybe cut out the points of no return as well somehow, but it would essentially be a port regardless. You really don't trust them even with going 1:1?

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only actual niggers like smash, and they don't go to school

It never stops, but for now there's a break. What's your favorite track that ISN'T Venus Lighthouse?

>Golden Sun 1 had soul, the other two were like ripping off a fingernail
I never got that desu, GS1+2 always felt like a single game to me.

The only reason I'd want an HD remake of DD is so I can get Sveta in glorious HD.
Oh, and the summons.
youtube.com/watch?v=9VwT8qhVFLQ

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HArd to choose one desu but for now i'll go with Garoh's theme, always loved that one for some reason.

>What's your favorite track that ISN'T Venus Lighthouse?
Sal Sanctum, Isaac's battle theme, Vale's music.

Garoh is pretty nice. I prefer the slow, melancholy songs best. Prox and Lemuria do me right.

awoo

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Ever since i started playing Vesperia this pic keeps popping in my mind and i hate how much i want this now.

I'm going to sleep bros, I hope to see the thread still up when I wake up. But if not, it's been a comfy thread anyways.

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Good night user. Probably same here, being a europoor sucks sometimes.

Goodnight, user.

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Night, anons, don't let the skull gang bite

No, they like playstation. Nintendo's for school children.

>When your commercial is so good they incorporate it into one of the sequels.
youtube.com/watch?v=lOvwdVp8Fvo

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idgi

Stop using forced meme newfag

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Garoh Theme

This. But it NEEDS the howling.

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None of those are the picture he posted, retard. How fucking dumb are you?

THE TROUBLE WITH THE MAPLES
AND THEY'RE QUITE CONVINCED THEY'RE RIGHT

I've always been partial to the Magma Rock theme. Those fucking drums man.

this series is literally the best JRPG i've every played. beautiful graphics, sound, soul, and gameplay. story is a little much but NPC interactions are fun. is there anything that can compare at all?

Redpilled.

Same. I've played hundreds of JRPGs, but nothing compares to these for whatever reason.
Can't be nostalgia, because I played countless other JRPGs before these.

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I agree, but I still used her because she was cute

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Grandia 1, Lunar 2, etc

>pic
YOU

Is this some sort of modded custom gba? how do I get one of these? I love the backlight on the sp but the ergonomics of the original gba are so much better

>You will never fight Alex

Meanwhile Felix was completely ignored in Dark Dawn

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Too busy making moonkids with Sheba.

Seriously where the fuck was he? He didn't even get a time-skip design or anything.

I guess the main character is his nephew, but he never even mentioned Felix...

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Too sad about his waifu (read: Karst) dying

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Probably setting him up to appear in the DD sequel (like Piers). Now we'll never know.

>but with points of no return
and dumbed down combat
and dumbed down puzzles
and significantly less interesting protagonists
and less exploration even before points of no return

>GS comes back
>Camelot makes a strategy rpg spinoff that plays like Shining Force

I'm mad that Dark Dawn didn't have any proper adept fights in general. Blados and Chalis basic attacking you for the whole 3 turns of their fights don't count.

youtube.com/watch?v=Fuz5M5Zqkm4

Sveta>Sheba>Jenna>Mia>Karis>>>>>>>>>Himi
Facts. Don't even @ me faggots.

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Yeah pretty much. Wtf was up with Garet's design in DD anyway?

The only good and close being 1:1 stuff

Rest of the shit posted here is retarded takes that sound like ass

They're basically what the songs sounded like before being put on the GBA though

Yeah?
that's the point

wait, what are you referring to?

Shut up you bastard. We never had the chance to beat your sorry ass

Would Golden Sun fare better as an ARPG or a TRPG?

I wonder if Golden Sun could work as a different genre.

TRPG. Just copy Shining Force.
>I wonder if Golden Sun could work as a different genre.
Like what?

Why was DD so bad?
Why is Camelot run by literal hacks?

What if it was a metroidvania with RPG elements similar to Castlevania? Different psynergy acting like different combat abilities that double both for exploration and combat.

>Why was DD so bad?
Most people were fired before DD got started so it was a new team. It's part of why it had been delayed for so long.
And I think Camelot were gutted again mid development of it so it had to be rushed with a lower budget.

Any chance of an HD collection for Switch?

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gameplay-wise it didn't actually improve on 1/tla while adding more flaws and story-wise it happens too soon so shit doesn't make sense like the empire (fuck off babifags). Should have happened like 100 years later

They don't realise it's not 1991 anymore and people are familiar with how to play turn based JRPGs. I could forgive the plot and blatant sequel-baiting if there wasn't so much handholding and the combat was actually challenging.

It's very unlikely but not impossible.

Babi is behind it all.
You know it.

>And the trees are all kept equal
>By hatchet,
>Axe,
>And saw

Which town/city would you want to live in?

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The good thing is that you only need two Excalibur's if you do the Sol Blade glitch

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Contigo

The first two are great, but Dark Dawn was very mediocre and the new graphical style didn't help.

A lot of people were hoping it would have been more of a capstone for the story from the first two games, and they kinda tried that but it just didn't work the way they did it.

Imil

Garoh.

>A lot of people were hoping it would have been more of a capstone for the story from the first two games
I am still baffled by the decision to do a 30 year time skip.
3 years or so would have been fine. I wanted to continue as the original party, not play as their children.

>and dumbed down combat
>and dumbed down puzzles
Neither of these things were particularly good in the first two games, just more time consuming. The entire series is super casual and has really poor game design since you never actually need to use its class change system and can summon rush anything to death. No mechanics were removed from DD, at least.

>and significantly less interesting protagonists
In what fucking way were the casts of the first two games "interesting"? Maybe Piers was, but that's literally it. DD has Sveta and Amit, so you're looking at 2/8 good characters vs 1/8.

>and less exploration even before points of no return
You know, I'll grant that DD's design isn't necessarily a good fit for the series it's in, but independent of that, I don't think there's anything wrong with a JRPG that enforces a sense of forward movement. Particularly if you're gonna complain about the game being too easy. It doesn't make sense to complain about missables in the same breath.

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It puts me in physical pain that there's no "clean" versions of soundtracks from GS and TLA. The fact that tracks like youtube.com/watch?v=IaJnVK1lFLU will never get a proper, high budget treatment makes me really mad.

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Suck it up butttercup, a little hiss is character building.

youtube.com/watch?v=dKMTzrG92TE
I'm a big fan of this Venus Lighthouse rendition.

Dark Dawn was trash though

Playing the first game for the first time. Pretty comfy so far.
I'm playing that romhack, I hope that's okay.

what romhack is that?

Golden Sun is great, but its still just a pale shadow of their former work that was Shining Force 1 and 2.

Golden Sun Reloaded

>Shining Force 1 and 2.
Shining in the Darkness is perhaps my favorite Genesis game. Sonic Spinball comes close

Wtf user
Weird taste

I only ever owned a strange selection of games, and while some are probably better games, those two are what i kept playing.
>Columns 2
>Aladdin
>Battletech
>Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
>Thomas the Tank Engine
Aladdin was great too, but after beating it a handful of times i just stopped.

>Columns 2
I liked the first game so I imagine this was good.

golden sun is overrated trash
literally babby's first JRPG
battle network is better than this garbage

It had a strange single player campaign that was fun, although the highlight was obviously the multiplayer. If you got the multi-controller splitter thing you could get up to 8 players i think.

What's the worst dungeon and why is it Air's Rock?

Air's Rock is literally the best though. The worst is Magma Rock.

>If you got the multi-controller splitter thing you could get up to 8 players i think.
I never knew this was a thing.

Air's Rock is only bad because it makes you think the rest of the dungeons will be as large and grand as it is, but then they aren't so you feel a little let down.

So after googling, it appears i owned Columns 3, and not 2, and that the player cap was 5, not 8. Still was a thing though.

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>it appears i owned Columns 3
I didn't realize Columns was so popular.

Even ten would've been fine with the original team. Like you reintroduced Psyenergy to the world en masse, the game made it clear that it was causing the fabric of the world to crack and shift. We could've seen the rise of these empires apparently using it to conquer land, tried to get a handle on society relearning that magic essentially existed. But instead we had to build a broom, or something, using feathers?

Rescuing Hammet in Lunpa
You need to follow Babi after Colosso to get Cloak (It's braindead easy but still missable) and find a cave off the road south of the sea to get back to the first half of the map

Because you're shit at video games.

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Yep. Nobody wanted to start fresh with a new cast when there was still stuff to explore with the old cast.

Shhhh no one cares...

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I always wanted to have a venus djinn

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We need this guy to come back

youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=oqpJLT4I5_E

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You are all blue-balling yourselves. Nips can’t into marketing and meeting demand. There will never be a remaster or sequel.

Mario Tennis was made by the same developer too

based camelot

Mercury is my favorite

Not even the best JRPG on the system let alone in the top GBA games.
Pretty mediocre compared to other home console JRPG.

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I always though of them as Chinchilla's
youtube.com/watch?v=fQGxee2yLgA

>first battlenetwork now fire emblem
quit false-flagging you fags

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>FFTA
>Tactics Ogre
>Superstar Saga
>Sword of Mana
The list goes on and on and on...

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2 of those aren't good.

>>>FFTA
*red cards in ur path*

Better than GS but also more personality than your generic final fantasy pokemon hybrid ripoff.

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>hating the boomer meme

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ok retard

This is why I absolutely love this place. You're a total bro.

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Soon, bros.

Dark Dawn was peak soulless.

Your username on Reddit is ima4chanuser? Why tho?

What? I just saved that image from a while back.

best girl coming thru

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So did they actually die?

This thread's been up for a while huh?

I made some videos a while back about this series if anyone wants to help an user out with some views. They're pretty cringe but I pour my heart out in them.
youtu.be/73II_Ms3sio
youtu.be/GbmyjGQdwkI

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Karst did nothing wrong

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Thanks for sharing, user. I'll give these a watch now.

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>tripfag hits me on two weak spots at once
fuck you

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Presumably so.

>tfw no Ivan bf

Tunnel Ruins and Tundaria Tower are my low key favorites.

If Felix's parents lived, they did too.

youtube.com/watch?v=LEGius7cfqo

Game will be harder then. Remember to experiment with classes a lot by swapping djinn. Also stat buff abilities are very useful.

Is there more like this?

Not in that style. I‘ll repost all the remakes I found interesting, although I posted some in this thread already.
OCremix did a bunch of other songs:
youtube.com/watch?v=pGaxaHVJRdY
youtube.com/watch?v=fFKPL1nq2QQ
youtube.com/watch?v=Ld7AZY49k4Y

From Smash:
youtube.com/watch?v=XqZyLiTODEo

Really cool version of Sheba‘s theme I stumbled over:
youtube.com/watch?v=YyJck2tr7tA

Gametal:
youtube.com/watch?v=OORPw3h62l4
youtube.com/watch?v=NEcqNFqaH4E
youtube.com/watch?v=-8hXI8Vsue0
youtube.com/watch?v=tTz4YTdQEeA

Wow, thanks a lot, user.

yes pls

It’s really weird and dumb how they did the silent protagonist thing. It was so jarring to here Isaac speak in TLA. And he way he spoke was a lot more blunt/heated than I expected.

>It’s really weird and dumb how they did the silent protagonist thing.
Isaac was a self insert for one of the takahashi brothers

op here, very glad to see the thread still up bros

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I'd love for there to be a new Golden Sun, though Dark Dawn was a weird path to take. I didn't like most of the cast being the kids of the main characters and being such a retread of personality AND design.

And the way the story meandered was nuts. Like moreso than the first 2 games, at least those had some key locations to get to that you were working your way towards for an overarching plot. From the get-go, your goal is to get a wing to fix your hang glider to investigate the sanctum.

You get the wing, keep it in your inventory, and the game cuts to credits when you finally get back to repair your hang glider.

Our time will come brothers.
The Golden Sun will rise.

It did rise at the end of lost ages. You mean ‘rise again’

>"The story we actually want to tell, GS+TLA is a prequel story"
I cannot remotely understand this quote when the story they finally gave us was the clusterfuck that was Dark Dawn. The villains' motivations and goals were 100% unexplained and most of the game revolved around technology from "ancient" civilizations that there was no sign of in the original games, despite the original games having more than enough to draw from in terms of ancient civilizations. DD feels more like a completely different story that was re-written to take place in Weyard than a "main" story they were building up to in the originals.

>alchemy is unsealed
>adepts are still just as rare as they were when it was sealed
They could have done so much with the setting without resorting to dark and light psynergy. Dark Dawn really was a waste.

>They could have done so much with the setting without resorting to dark and light psynergy.
I think the worst sin is they introduced light and dark psynergy only to barely use it. Blados and Chalis are apparently Dark Adepts but they hardly used it, I think they maybe had like one move in battle that might have been dark psynergy and it was some lame barrier ability. The only light psynergy is alluded to in the epilogue which you can miss by just not talking to the NPCs. No attempt was made to explain what dark and light psynergy are, where they came from, why nobody bothered mentioning them before/why nobody knew about them, why they didn't need to be sealed away like the rest of the elements, etc.
If they found a way to integrate them into the lore and also included them in the gameplay in a way that was novel it would've been fine, but instead they're just another unanswered lore question left hanging forever.

>バカなアメリカ人

日本語版のPSYNERGYはエナジー(ENERGY)ということでござるよ

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>Thread's still up after sleep
Not bad

Update graphics is one of the hardest parts though. Do you keep the artstyle and just increase the quality of everything? The end result might look weird or even worse (see Chrono Trigger). Or do you try a new artstyle that lets you do a more modern level of quality. Might look good, but who knows if it fits and pleases fans.

Nah, DD really had some huge flaws. For one the story went nowhere. When I reached the last dungeon, I actually thought, I'm at the halfway point and the difficulty is finally picking up. Also the fact that those black holes, the reason why Matthew etc were sent out, weren't discussed in any way, just to be a cliffhanger at the end is a huge fuck you to the player. Not to mention that you're just wondering what the old cast is doing and what's happening in the other 70% of the world.

Yea Forums tell me what you would change from a mechanical standpoint in a sequel or remake
To start I would want
>a Magic Attack/Psynergy Attack stat so Psynergy doesn't fall off and scales with your level/class
>standardize class structure somewhat, maybe don't screw every adept out of proper 3-element classes for one combination each like the mechanics do now
>do something about weapon unleashes, they feel completely independent from the main psynergy/djinn/summon mechanics and their randomness makes them either unreliable or so overpowered that it's always worth fishing for them, not sure how to best do this though

>do something about weapon unleashes, they feel completely independent from the main psynergy/djinn/summon mechanics and their randomness makes them either unreliable or so overpowered that it's always worth fishing for them, not sure how to best do this though
Unleashes are now added to the Adept's arsenal of spells rather than being random crits.

>More care to psynergy balancing, so that you can have mages, but also so that you can equip armor that raises resistance to psynergy
>Make summons a little less powerful I guess
>Make enemies a lot stronger
I'm not too sure, I have the feeling the core system is already pretty good, just really unbalanced and thus too easy to exploit. You basically already pointed out the main issues.

>this is the oldest thread on Yea Forums right now
basado

To me the proper thing to do about Summons is to make them more of an investment to use.

They're already pretty steep to use, especially the more expensive ones like Charon.

Clearly not steep enough if they're still OP.

And more of a risk. At the end of tla you can use 4 djinn summons no problem, because everyone has 9 djinns anyway. Even better if you can split those 4 between two characters and basically do one every two turns.

The only ones that are OP are the ones like Eclipse that you can just spam, and that's because of % damage interacting with elemental weaknesses

Summons already become less useful the stronger the enemies get. If your opponent has a spell that can deal 300 damage to multiple characters, you have to think twice about dropping the health of your guys from 600 to 300 by putting all their djinn on standbye all the time.
GS just needs a proper hard mode as Reloaded proved. The systems in place are good already. It‘s just a matter of balancing them to a point where they all start to shine.

>tfw I spammed eclipse when playing TLA multiplayer with a kid in school who still didn't have eclipse

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>Unleashes are now added to the Adept's arsenal of spells rather than being random crits.
I could see that working, it would fix the unreliability problem, remove the need to make them overpowered to compensate, and give a lot of characters/classes more physical psynergy options
I'd agree with this, 4 djinn seems like a lot when you're midgame in GS1 and that's pretty much every djinn you have of that element, but that's not true later on. Summons stop scaling too early, or at least single-element ones do. Maybe mono-element summons should cost 1/2/4/6 or even 1/2/4/8 instead of 1/2/3/4?
Overall I think the risk/reward system of weakening your party to do big dick summons is a lot of fun so I wouldn't want them to be discouraged by making them weak. I want to think "oh shit I managed to summon Thor, time to tear this boss a new asshole" rather than "eh I ended up using a few Venus Djinn so I guess I might as well toss a Judgement at this guy"

>Dark Dawn sequel never
>Nowell party member never
>Takeru party member never
>Nu moonman party member never
>Dragon party member never

>Turn 1
>Mercury Djinn
>Jupiter Djinn
>Kite
>Turn 2
>Mercury Djinn
>Wish Well
>Jupiter Djinn as first action, Eclipse as second action

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summons were always useful because they do based damage + percentage of max health. Stuff like charon took off 30%+. You really noticed it during boss fights They were busted for the cost

Guys I'm in Azteka right now and I've lost all motivation to play. That race with that Indian guy was the last thing I did.

Will it get better?

You're nearly done with the game. Jupiter Lighthouse and Mars Lighthouse are only separated by 1 dungeon.

You're pretty close to the end all things considered, you basically just have Jupiter Lighthouse, Mars Rock, and Mars Lighthouse left (with a bit of errand-running on the side but not really that much)
The western sea is pretty barren compared to to the eastern sea, to the point that it seems a bit rushed. Might as well just finish the game at this point.

Jupiter Lighthouse is a fucking slog that will put you to sleep but it has two of the best parts of the game.
After that it's smooth sailing.

What the actual fuck, dark dawn was unironically the complete utter total actual shit, here, swallow an incel pasta because of your sinful opinion.

(Ost for the pasta)

youtube.com/watch?v=IsOfq-v5kKo

Today I sat alone in the train listening to my obscure esoteric ritual ambient music, then two conventionally attractive females joined me in my solitude, they sat in front of me and started having a mundane conversation, it caught my interest how they kept talking and laughing about trivial normie topics instead of contemplating the true essence of life and searching for a purpose within. We make eye contact for a split second but I break it immediately as she carried on the conversation with her friend, she probably thought she made eye contact with a normal awkward nerdy guy listening to his music in peace but in reality she's beholding a man that is enduring the metaphysical struggle of his race, a man with an aristocratic and adventurous spirit that yearns for celestial freedom as his mind is experiencing levitation towards a complete transcendence despite only weighing 120 pounds.

I indirectly gazed upon the females with an eye of revulsion, repulsed by their moral disintegration and degenerate lifestyle, then in complete and utter disgust I thought to myself "if only they knew how much of a wise Magian I am?" They would've given themselves to me, to fullfil my carnal desires, to plant my seed and give a chance to my offspring to exist and flourish. But of course they won't as I'm very sure they have decided to pursue this puny empty life, to have sex with the so-called CHAD. It truly is a difficult time for an intellectual like me to exist, it truly is the KALI YUGA.

I really hate that visual style.

It's disgusting awful and the definition of soulless.

I missed a djinni because of that point of no return the first time I played it and then fucked up my save by using a walk through walls hack to get it even though I never saved while being out of bond, I will eternally be mad about this.

>Dark Dawn sequel miraculously happens
>no Anemos
>no Prox/Proxians
>no mention of Babi
>no Felix/Sheba/their kids
>no fight against Alex
>majority of party members are the DD cast
>ends on a cliffhanger

Visually DD was fooken magnificient and I'm glad the furries are okay and golden.

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I like Sveta but I think the furry town sucks.
The eclipse fucking the town up and the opera house were neat though.

there was a third game? how did i not know this

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try it by yourself before everyone ruins your opinion beforehand

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My tip is to run from every random encounter.
Bosses alone give more than plenty xp to complete the game.

also, you may wanna check this quick spoiler-free walkthrough since the game have some points of no return:
goldensunwiki.net/wiki/Golden_Sun:_Dark_Dawn/Quick_walkthrough

Because it's shit

Say what you say, but one thing DD did right was Tiamat.

As shown in this picture for ants.

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The summons are pretty much the best part of the game. I really liked Megaera as well.

They did all of the summons right. One thing I'm glad about is that the summons got appropriate designs instead of those random japanese anime girls in the gba versions.

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I want dd tiamat to be my queen who smothers me with thos hips

He was way more interesting that way. Made me give a shit about the character

>One thing I'm glad about is that the summons got appropriate designs instead of those random japanese anime girls in the gba versions.
As opposed to Dark Dawn with its random Japanese anime girls for a third of the summons?

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These games are wholly unremarkable, extremely standard jrpg trash, except for one thing, the way golden sun: the lost age is directly connected to it's predecessor, those being essentially one game that was cut in half because of devellopment hell, the end result is something that is the very definition of a sequel, and it picks up directly after the first game unlike every other video game sequel.
Of course, the whole "bring your own specific characters and inventory along" is part of that.

Which ones? I don't see any japanese designs in DD. Most of them have appropriate designs according to their culture. GBA had pic related, a kimono wearing girl representing Nereid of greek origin.

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You probably should have specified "now they are anime girls and not specifically japanese-themed anime girls".

>Tuaparang bow to Babi
>In contact with Lemurians
>Controls Tolbi with an iron but fair fist
>Unprecedented knowledge regarding the movements and subsequent revival of Alchemy, going as far as to knowing the plan of the wise one. (Who do you think set up Saturos and Menardis first excursion into Vale to steal the elemental stars?)
>Owns building companies and universities all over Gondowan
>Direct descendant of the ancients
>Will bankroll the first cities on Anemos (Babigrad will be the first city)
>Owns basically every Psynergy research facility on Weyard
>First Alchemy babies will be Babi Babies
>Said to have 200+ IQ
>Ancient Lemurian scriptures tell of a Demon who will descend upon Weyard and bring an era of destruction and unprecedented death on a global scale
>Owns Cloak ball R&D labs around the world
>You likely have a cloaked Tuaparang agent in your room right now
>He learned fluent Lemurian in under a week
>Nations entrust their gold reserves with him. There is no gold in Ft.Kalay, only Ft.Babi
>He is 67 years old from the space-time reference point of the base human
>In reality, he is a timeless being subsisting on a magic drought capable of halting any and all molecular decay
>The Tuaparang emperor Babi will seize Weyard and guide humanity into a new age of Alchemy, war and conquest

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What did people see in Amiti anyway? Yeah he was Alex's kid but everything besides that was pretty lame and underwhelming.

Your other water adept is a fat nerd

he's literally me

>Sheltered prince
>His origin was one big propaganda
>Worships trees
>Hates pirates
>Rief sucks

All boring and Rief is just a nerdy Ivan. I just benched both of the water adepts.

youtu.be/VNquV5JlVQU?t=94

Tiamat at @1m34s

haha

This but on PC with actual graphics

>not having one of each element in your main party
sacrilege

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youtube.com/watch?v=1K9yah3WsEo
>tfw this guy never did the complete ost for either game

>tfw Rief sucks as a character but he's the best healer in the game
>the game is so easy besides the chaos chimera that it doesn't really matter since Karis can easily deal with the scratch damage that bosses put out

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Karis is the best healer in the game because she's the fastest character overall and the only one who can use AoE healing spells even without any djinn. Rief is just overkill healing like his mother.

Matthew, Tyrell and Rief are just clones of their parents
Karis is Ivan/Sheba with healing but worse damage during midgame.
Amiti and Eoleo are worse Piers/Jenna respectively
Sveta and Himi are the only actually unique ones.

I just used Matthew/Tyrell/Karis/Sveta and demolished the game.

NINTENDO DIRECT IN SEPTEMBER BROS

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If there was a time it was E3, I'm putting my hopes and dreams back in the war chest until next year.

>Mars sword
>Mars adepts can't wield it

>Here's your PC graphics bro
>Way better than that LOWPOLY CARTOON SHIT eh?

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>bad commercials

Nigga what, it has literally the best videogame commercial ever, the only one I have fond memories of

youtube.com/watch?v=lOvwdVp8Fvo

Ivan is a gay retard

new golden sun with old Issac Garet Ivan Mia, and I'm in.

She's in heavy winter garb in the fucking desert

what do you think about this bros
youtube.com/watch?v=OAQfE82V0k8

There are supposed to be 6 stones forming the stone circle but there are seven in the pic.

GS2 Final Boss theme, it’s one of those songs that are permanently stuck in my head. I didn’t even touch GS in well over a decade.

Good gaijin

jRPGs typically dont offer much in terms of exploration and puzzles, which GS is full of. It’s closer to being a Zelda game with turn based combat rather than something like Final Fantasy.

>Golden Sun Dark Dawn was balls and had all the worst pairings
>Golden Sun Musou on the 3DS with the Hyrule Warriors engine never ever
>No fun RPG from Camelot on Nintendo handhels ever again

That gif brings a smile to face.

Felix was the Linkin Park version Isaac in the first game and the beggining of the second but by the end, when he "gains" the ability to speak again since the player views events from his onw perspective now instead of Felix's, you see that he has lighten up considerably. He's more comparable to Squall in that regard, he starts off emo-ish but once his adventure starts he mellows out considerably. Funnily enough, despite Isaac looking more like Cloud, he was the pretty typical shounen hero.

Hey now, Golden Sun had soul. Nintendo just robbed them off it to make infinite amounts of stupid golf and tennis games or whatever they did beyond Mario Tennis 64.

That's not Snoy user. That is the glorious Sony of yesteryear, a company long dead by now.

Do you not know of Shining Force Cross user?Japanese arcade only with scant emulators, enjoy.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

It's not soulless, just sucks balls. Big difference.

The DS is a good choice but the best thing was to play The Lost Age on GBASP. PSP is the patrician choice but if you want to play with two thumbstick and some vita games, get the Vita.

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I hated Air's rock when I was a kid, but I replayed the games last year and it was literally the best dungeon. Too bad the other dungeons aren't as majestically large.
Aqua Rock is great too, other two rocks are boring.

Doom dragon, stop hitting youself!

Yeah, I thought it was strange how they made the first rock you go to first so much larger than the rest. Wish they were all that massive.

>we're reaching for the bump limit for the first time in a golden sun Yea Forums thread

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>Only JRPG on the GBA so all it's shit gets a pass
>Now that we have good games we can finally stop pretending Golden Sun was ever good

I'm so fucking thankful. Time heals all wounds anons.

I still don't like it that much. I admit it's one of the better dungeons in the game but having to go through a fuckhuge area so early in the game sucks, and I still always get lost to this day once I get inside. I always get Piers first before doing it.
At the very least, at least it's not Magma Rock. Nothing can make that better.

>Now that we have good games

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>It's 2019
>still thinking Golden Sun is anything above painfully mediocre at it's absolute highest points

user... you've missed so much. So many good games. I'm glad you're awake though, you have so much to catch up to.

>you've missed so much. So many good games. I'm glad you're awake though, you have so much to catch up to.
Says the one who thinks Golden Sun is the only JRPG on the GBA

As a game Golden Sun is quite good, the class system and Djinn is a very solid foundation that has a lot of depth, and it's one of those rare JRPGs that has actual level design, so there's never a dull moment... except for the story, which is the only area it misses the mark in. But everything else is damn solid, and I'm not sure what your idea of better is.

(You)
ok let's see your taste, name one of those good games from nowadays

Don't you just love it when people lie on the internet or pretend to know what they're talking about?

>Dark Dawn
>Soul

Imagine the comfiness, bros...

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Imagine the framerate bro....

It cracks me up how it had absolutely nothing to do with Golden Sun, but was still entertaining. I think they included the chandelier dragon as a boss in Dark Dawn as a reference to it, too.

>wanting the takahashi bros to touch this series
No. Fucking no. Hell no. DD was so bad that japs consider it a spinoff. Sega probably denied them because they don't want them to ruin shining force either. Not to forget that Camelot got bad reviews on a Japanese job review site

as a summon actually

>dark dawn
>main character isnt even the main character
>everyone is totally useless except 1 punch girl
>points of no return all over
>get a shit ending unless you checked the walkthrough and waited to not kill svetas brother

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truly underrated kino

Let's hit the bump limit bros

>bad reviews on a job site
hmm, when did this happen? I figured they were hacks, but didn't know it was a crappy place to work

>get a shit ending unless you checked the walkthrough and waited to not kill svetas brother
That's possible?

>Sega probably denied them because they don't want them to ruin shining
They already do a good job at that.

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I want sveta(beast form) to sniff my horny soul

golden sun runs like crap on the vita

I think the golden sun spirits got a lot of love in ultimate, more so than most of the non playable characters did in the game

most of their fights were pretty hard too, and it's nice knowing you can still use DD isaac as a high tier spirit

Yup. Think you had to kill the 2 dark people together then wait for the beast to calm down. If you dont kill the 2 dark guys together they cause the beast to die and you get the bad ending

Is that played through the original synth like those other tracks or made a different way?

Yeah but Sveta is cute so it's ok.

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>Spend close to 80% of the game trying to get back one fucking feather and the last 20% is saddled with some subplot starring a furry girl that shows up at the last second where the game goes out of its way to make her the only one who can do anything and make you feel sorry for her

No fuckinh way

Makes sense. Tales games are soulless by nature.

any evidence to support this claim?

>character has a form that specializes in damage
>suddenly every other character is shit because shes the best damage dealer
I love how fucking idiotic Yea Forums posters are, you guys are the absolute worst at playing any type of videogame.

I remember weapon unleashes being hilariously broken. My endgame set up was 2 Excaliburs on Isaac and Piers, Sol Blade on Felix. Unstoppable. Could beat final dragon boss with just attacks alone with occasional heal since they were hilariously weak to Jupiter. Same with Dullahan. It's like they purposely design the endgame bosses with weakness to Jupiter, which came with the best weapon unleashes. Even in GS, Ivan's light sword drop weapon was really good against the final boss of that game.

The final bosses in 1 were weak to Mercury IIRC.

i know there are 2 different cut scenes for that boss battle. 1 for killing the chaos hound first and a different one for killing the assassins first. its vastly easier to ignore the hound and kill the assassins.

>endgame boss is a mix of earth and fire adepts, one of them is isaacs father
>wow why is the final boss weak to jupiter?????

Its like asking why the fusion dragon was weak to water.

It could potentially have been a combination of two earth adepts and 1 fire adept since The other two are Felix/Jenna’s parents, which would explain why its lowest resistance is jupiter while its second lowest is mercury. Meanwhile it has sky high resistance to venus followed by mars.

I don't seem to find any videos where that's different

I'd give Sveta the DD if you know what I mean.

I'm just saying them being weak to Jupiter made them Excalibur fodder. If they wanted to make it hard, they should've made it weak to Mercury again. No weakness to Legend or Sol Blade.

god I hope they remove her furry legs so I can marry her

There was an official promotional manga for DD, for everyone who dind't know.

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Both final bosses in both games have low resistances to the element of your casters which helps them be relevant.
Other than that, I think they were decent challenges if you didn’t grind.

>she canonically sucked Pier's dick

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They tried but since magic has a fixed base damage and all of the good ones require absurdly high levels, it doesn't help that much.

Still don’t see the problem. Ivan and Sheba were mostly buffers and their offensive psyenergy was the strongest which let them use it as filler or to wipe out groups of enemies.

Everyone had a use. And if mono classes bothered you then you could go with some meme class setups instead like making isaac into a healer or some shit.

I played the new Mario tennis on switch. Feels fucking soulless as hell compared to these old school games. Doesn't play nearly as well too.

Yes. If you hack the game to have mindread on after the final boss, you'll learn that the party even when as far as to lie about killing Agatio/Karst so the Proxians wouldn't get angry at them.

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The problem is that magic scales like shit in GS compared to physicals. The strongest offensive synergy is pretty crappy compared to what any decently geared melee character can put out. Then when you start messing with the class system, the melee characters can start buffing and healing too making them terrible. The only good mage is Jenna and that's because she has access to the better class lines.

source pls

You can mess around with classes to get max potential physical damage out of weapon unleashes. I remember making Isaac the one where he only has 2 venus djinns and rest were jupitor. Forgot what it was called. Did something similar with Piers. When you do that, their damage with Excalibur unleash is insane. Then equip armour that increase crit rate to maximize unleash potential. With this method, I could beat the final boss within 5 minutes with no need for summons or psyenergy.

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>Matthew got shipped with a fucking furry
All the furshit was the worst part of the game.

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Messing with classes changes your stat gains during level ups. With this, you can increase speed gain with slower characters depending on classes, etc.

>>get a shit ending unless you checked the walkthrough and waited to not kill svetas brother

WH-

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Golden Sun is the only jRPG i really got into. It is kino.

>Messing with classes changes your stat gains during level ups. With this, you can increase speed gain with slower characters depending on classes, etc.
Everyone has a basic statline that they follow, classes just modify that line by a multiplier. They don't affect growth or anything. What is an issue though is that there's some weird rng variance going on so sometimes you can randomly get more of a stat on level up.

he made that up

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Translation where?

mediafire.com/file/7sb1t15fyrtzi5l/GSDD_Manga.zip/file

Which color of menu/dialogue boxed was your choice?
Green for me.

always want to change it but the original tealish blue is still the most kino

>mfw the thread is still up

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I'm sure Isaac would be glad to know his grandchildren will be a bunch of OP fuckers who are also royalty.

They'll also look like dogs, no parent would be happy about that one.

A small price to pay.

>less than a year after the first game

Amazing, considering that TLA is atleast an order of magnitude better than the first game

>this was the only spot for DD

youtube.com/watch?v=PpPhin1p2ok

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>why Karst and Agatio
They're assholes? At first they didn't trust Felix and co. but later they simply wanted all the credit for saving their tribe. Neither of them liked any of the group and there's a reason Saturos and Menardi were sent first and not the rejects.

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>currently the oldest thread on Yea Forums (24+ hours)
>about to reach bump limit
>a fucking Golden Sun thread

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>why Karst and Agatio
but the game explains that part. The rest of the western half of the world definitely needs some elaboration, but not those two rejects. Hell if you look at the map you can see that they moved the Mars Lighthouse forward and that you were originally intended to fly to it using your ship.

The only people who like Dark Dawn want to fuck Sveta.

fires to burn even hotter
fanfiction-tier writing

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Correlation does not mean causation.

>The only chance for Golden Sun to be relevant again is if Isaac gets in Smash
>Gets assist trophied in smash and will never ever be playable.
Only way I can see it happening is if Nintendo does a 2nd fighter pass with Nintendo characters or upgrading current assist trophies.
Otherwise GS is dead forever.

Venus djinn a cute.

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>Biggest empire in the world is full of furries in Dark Dawn
>Humans are forced to the borderlands onto tiny islands and isolated villages
Dark.

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>sometimes you can randomly get more of a stat on level up.
I remember trying to do a run where my characters only got perfect level ups, gave up before I even got to vault. somehow the psynergy you use has something to do with it? not quite sure

I don't mind the time skip or new cast at all. My only complaint on that is rushing us to a cast of 8 instead of leaving 4 of them for the sequel.

Kino, yet people bitch about the game's texts

It's only because Belinsk is the Russia equivalent. It's an empire of dirt.

never lose hope user, see

She's the designated love interest, it's expected.

But it is telling.

It's the only large country in the entire game, user. All the humans live in tiny shitholes.

I like your voice user =3

It's based on rng. Similar to how you need to use certain psyenergy spells in a particular order if you want a particular item drop. Also how I got 2 Excaliburs within a few soft reset attempts with rng manip.

>It's the only large country in the entire game, user. All the humans live in tiny shitholes.
There's literally a giant not china nation that owns the entirety of southeast angara. We just don't get to explore it properly because they got fucked by the spooky curse bullshit at the end.

>Uses friction on the floor to make a spark
Who made this piece of art?!

Sveta just wins everyone over.

So all of them are dead and humans are over.

OP here.
Wow, bump limit reached after 24+ hours.
It's been an awesome thread, thanks!

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But the not Russia nation got fucked by the spooky ghost shit too.

>djinn are for slaying monsters
holy shit they put gameplay tips in the fucking commercial, I didn't notice that and this commercial convinced me to buy the fucking game!

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I miss the emojis. they worked perfectly for games like this