VTMB

>VTMB
Nobody cares about that fucking edgy teen vampireshit storygame.

>which one should I play
all of them
>and why?
because they're all fun video games

>unironically suggesting New Vision

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It's okay. And completely optional anyway.

SS2 to see what Deus Ex took from it and just to see how influential it was, on top of it being a brilliant fucking game. Than go with Deus Ex and leave Bloodlines as sugar on top.

>System shock is obsolete garbage, just play a better modern immersive sim like Prey or whatever
It's no obsolete at all, if anything, it's still one of the best games ever made.

deus ex is the only actually good game.

Yeah, the U.I: takes a bit to adjust to, but the more important aspect of the game is how you build your character and ration your points out. I got fucked by those toxic spiders when Shodan tells you to hack 3 different computers with those key cards and spent a lot of hours learning how to run past them and damage control my shitty jack of all trades build that didn't work.

Can confirm. I've finished Bloodlines, Arx Fatalis, Deus Ex/HR/MD, SS2 & Prey right after each other and all the older titles still stand up. MD kinda sucked though, the story was pretty much nonexistent.

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That's why you use the best weapon. Anti-personnel ammunition also is great.

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I’d say Deus Ex. It’s really a 10/10 game all around imo, while system shock and vtmb have a few flaws that make it harder to fully enjoy. Deus Ex has fantastic gameplay, level design, and story while the other two might make sacrifices in some areas.

Yeah, MD is the weakest. Have you played Thief games?

I tried beating the shit out of them to pieces, but whenever they touch me I get fucked because that toxic damage is FUCKING ANNOYING. I just took a lot of speed and ran all over the place.

>beating those three big games in 7 days
Seriously now? How many hours did your sessions last and did you rush it (skipping most sidequests in VtmB, not exploring most of the levels in Deus Ex etc)?

Deus Ex > System Shock 2 > VTMB

Being a NEET and having nothing else to do helps. Also having played them earlier definitely helped as I already knew where to go. Must have finished Bloodlines over 10 times by now, also yeah make it a span of two weeks.
I've played Thief 1&2 extensively, though haven't tried any custom maps for them. Played the shit out of The Dark Mod.

Play ss1

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Deus Ex overall is the best game. System shock 2 and VTMB both have shitty parts that go on forever. All great games though.

I felt like Deus Ex could be a bit shorter because the end levels felt like they drag forever.

PLAY.ALL.THREE
Fucking hell it's not like playing one will delete from existence the other two OP, stop being such an insufferable faggot

Deus Ex for sure. Just make sure to get to Hong Kong before you give up.

Deus Ex needed one more city hub. After you leave Paris it's back to back.

None of them.

You will regret wasting your time

System Shock 2 is the fastest of these games to beat, and it's horror elements are very well handled, in many ways it's actually not as good as the first System Shock, even though it's the better game overall. give that a try First
Deus Ex is the best of all of these games, it's transcendent and it's themes are probably the deepest and most relevant of all of the games, it's level design is the best, and it's mods are also the best. It can be beaten in a few sessions too, play that one second
Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines is the longest of these games with the most optional content. Like all of these games it's a unique experience that you won't forget, but unlike all of these games it's the one you will miss the most, since unlike the other two there are no similar games, Deus Ex has it's sequels, System Shock has the lesser Bioshock and the other lesser Preyboot. Play this one last
Young Child you are missing games on your list
Arx Fatalis is another similar game with a lot of strong and delicious features, it also has a strange not sequel called Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, which was initially developed as a sequel and then made a spinoff for the Might and Magic series, unfortunately set in the nu Might and Magic universe, it shows you what the sequel to Arx Fatalis would have been however, and it's excellent, it's first person combat is shamefully unparalleled.
Fallout New Vegas is probably the final of these games, it's closer to VTMB but it's atmosphere is so different that unfortunately it's not quite the same, but on it's own it is itself excellent, it's very political with a rich themes, and you a lot of choice, unfortunately it's based on Fallout 3, it's core non RP gameplay systems are very cheap, things like stealth are just poorly handled, as is gunplay.
Thief is not quite since it isn't really an RPG, but it's excellent in it's own right, best Thief sim

Very shameful that many of these games just outright remain unsurpassed.

>System shock is obsolete garbage
Unless you're talking about the original, which I can understand because it's a lot older with issues from games of that period, but 2 is still perfectly playable.

Fuck main story, MD was amazing.

>SS2 to see what Deus Ex took from it and just to see how influential it was
Deus Ex was in development for years before SS2 came out. It took nothing from it.

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I finished Bloodlines about 5-6 times after playing it for the first time around NYE 2017 and it's my favorite game ever because it feels like it was made for me. Hope Bloodlines 2 will be a decent game overall and will at least have the modicum of atmosphere 1 had.

Have you tried out Styx, then? The best stealth game in years, and the sequel, though I haven't played it yet, seems to have ironed out all the issues of the original so I'm excited to try it out once I buy me a new rig.

>VTMB has the best graphics
It also has the worst gameplay.

Aw, baby’s first (You)

The original Deus Ex was influenced by Looking Glass Studios Thief games, so I was wrong but not that far off.

Aye, even though it has a cult following ever since its release and there is almost a thread about the game every day on Yea Forums for who knows how much years now? But gotta shit on it because it makes me looks edgy and cool!

System shock 1

Play deus ex not with revision but with GMDX
Play ss2 with update mods and NO, and I mean NO balance mods. Play with updated character models, and textures.
watch: youtube.com/watch?v=5UW5PDSav48&t
and just follow the guide for a great mod list.
It took me all of 10 minutes to understand how to use the mod manager.
Then play VTMB GOG version or equivalent.
Anyone saying that you shouldn't play a first playthough with mods can suck my nuts.
Be warned System shock 2 is not for brainlets. You need to listen and understand that you have goals and the game expects you figure it the fuck out.

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Personally OP I'd recommend Deus Ex. It's clunky but you'll be surprised just how modern and refreshing it is... the level design is more open and less "tunnelly" that System Shock 2.
It's so nice seeing a game just give you a map and say "have at it" while still telling a compelling story. Make sure you research lethal take-downs a bit and experiment with what your weapons can do... some have uses outside of just blowing people up.

That said System Shock 2 is my favorite of the bunch. It takes adjusting to though and it's easy to spec poorly and fuck yourself up later. Don't go for a generalized build unless you're mixing hacking in with the other classes. Prepare to feel fear in the flesh.

Playing Neon Struct now because there are no games left in this genre besides Arkane's once a decade releases. If Deathloop isn't an immersive sim then I'm gonna lose it.

>New Vision

Eat shit. It changes the character models, which is unforgivable.

They're all great. I started with Deus Ex, then went on to SS2, and then Bloodlines which became my favorite of all time.

Are you sure you're not just a clueless retard that installed HDTP? You know, that's a different thing, you PS4 owner.

>Also check out HDTP, a similar project that replaces many of the original models like characters, props, and weapons.

You realize Warren Spector was substantially responsible for the original System Shock right? Do some actual research instead of making yourself look stupid

Gonna get around to playing system shock 2 soon, any tips?

>VTMB
Terrible combat and the characters are mostly edgy teen goth schlock, but it's the most open of the three and allows you to really dive in.
>System Shock 2
The most difficult if you don't know what you're doing, and also the shortest. But it's a tight experience from beginning to end.
>Deus ex
A true masterpiece, the pinnacle of the FPS/RPG hybrid.

I heard that SS2 was about to get remastered, so you might want to wait a bit

Don't trigger the alarm, wrench and other melee weapons are your friends. Pay attention to the notes and objectives. Few points in maintenance will help you to keep your weapons in high durability.

I haven't played SS2, should I?
I liked VTMB more than deus ex though.

VTMB baby

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Don't, you're a zoomer, you'll never understand why they're good.

Deus ex and system shock 2 are some of the best games ever. Half of VTMB is just pure shit, devoid of any level design or thought. I would rank it worse than deus ex invisible war because of this

no it doesn't

System Shock 2 and Deus Ex can be played right away, VTMB requires a fan patch. Also while none of them have good combat or stealth, VTMB has the worst. I'd probably start with Deus Ex as its not as hard as SS2.

I finished vtmb several times without a fanpatch, there were no game-breaking bugs. All serious stuff was fixed in the official patch.

am i the only one who didnt like the story of Deus Ex? i liked the gameplay and level designs etc etc, just not the story, it had too much conspiracy theory stuff for me desu, but some of the dialogue is pretty good tho

Nah

He worked on Thief: The Dark Project and carried a good chunk of it to Deus Ex.

EYE Divine Cybermancy

All of them, including all the rest of the Looking Glass Studios and Troika catalogue.

>Half of VTMB is just pure shit
that's a big exaggeration, unless you really think everyone after downtown is bad. even if you hate the combat, only the last few levels are combat-only, not even a quarter of the game.

He downplayed his role in Thief and said it was basically just an honorary role he played, with the team sometimes getting advice from him but that being about it.

>feels pretty much like jankier human revolution
What the hell is that supposed to mean?

But there's a lot of Thief in Deus Ex, which is what I was aiming at.

"muh aiming reticles"

>>System Shock 2
Play 1

>sewers
>monastery
>sabbat hotel
>kuei jin temple
>lacroix towers
this is easily nearly half of the game itself. the levels that are tolerable like giovanni mansion and chinatown are pretty mediocre.

Sewers, museum, Chinatown, and the final area were all pretty shit. It's not half but probably close to a third.

>MD kinda sucked though
Yeah, it's such a shame, too. It plays well and looks amazing, but there's so very little of substance. To make it worse, the little story there is, revolves around "Racism is bad, mmmmkay?" which is so fucking heavyhanded and hamfisted it made me cringe. I never did manage to finish it, even though I replayed DX and HR several times.

MD has plenty of substance, you just have to play the side quests to find it. The level design is as good as anything in HR and the mechanics are improved too.

>you just have to play the side quests to find it
What, all eight of them?

pretty much this
all worth playing though of course

it's more like the last third
it's such a sudden jump too. you play the first two zones which are clearly finished, then get to hollywood. and at first you think it'll be as fleshed out as those two zones. but then you get the quest to go the warrens, and that's when the game starts its last third. hollywood ends kind of abruptly, and there's not nearly as much side content as downtown and santa monica, which is a shame because i think hollywood is great. then it's chinatown and the endgame instances, which are super super short because there's just not much content in them at all.

Faggot OP here I ended up downloading all three. Just started SS2 and the controls are quite straightforward, maybe the psi ability selection is not the smoothest but nothing too upsetting right now. Really liked the introductory session where you get to basically choose the stats and abilities in game and not trough a menu.
Will get to play Deus Ex and WTMB after maybe even the Thief series later on

Definitely do play Thief 1-2, it's great. Deadly Shadows isn't quite as great but still solid.

based and legpilled

Play the first three Thief games before going into Deus Ex and VTM. Not that you need to, but the first two Thief games are still unsurpassed when it comes to stealth games, and the third one is damn good, just not quite as.

>To make it worse, the little story there is, revolves around "Racism is bad, mmmmkay?"
Never understood this argument fully. Yeah, it kind of does, but at the same time it shows that some augs are crazy terrorists and totally deserve what they got.. you know, just like in real life.
You should finish it. And Criminal Past too. Really great expansion.
Hope they'll finish the whole story in the next game (if it will be ever released..)

>that
>half of the game
Based retard.
Also, the only really bad thing on that list is the Kuei Jin temple which also has the shittiest boss in the game.

VtMB is by far the buggiest and worst of the three. Play Deus Ex, SS2, then VtMB.

All of them. SS 2 first, Deus Ex second, VTMB tgird

I enjoyed the story of Deus Ex and VTMB, does System Shock 2 have as good of a story?

Deus Ex is great, I recommend starting with that but download the updated launcher: Do NOT use New Vision. It's shit. Then install Shifter. You should be all done after that. DX1 is pretty difficult if you try to go through a linear path, it's best to try out different paths and gameplay styles instead of trying to unlock/get everything, Liberty Island is a hard first level, but it's a good way to get you used to the game's weird shooting/stealth mechanics.

After that go with System Shock 2, similar to DX1 you'll need to install a few patches, but they aren't as many as VTMB or DX1. You'll also need to get used to RPG mechanics akin to DX1, but thankfully shooting is easier than DX1, if you prefer a sci-fi aesthetic but with less player choice/story and more gameplay mechanics then I recommend starting with SS2 instead of DX1, then leave DX1 for later. It's a pretty difficult game if you don't know what you're doing though, unlike DX1.

Leave VTMB for the last one because it's the one that requires the most headaches to run, you need a bunch of specific patches and mods to get it running correctly and then you're set. But most of these patches and mods can accidentally a few bugs, so I'd be a lot more cautious about them. Also if you like playing an RPG with a customised character in terms of appearance, good fucking luck because VTMB doesn't have that because it runs in the Source Engine, so you need to go to some Moddb to find some kind of skin or character look that you like and go with that, otherwise you're stuck with the default looks for each character class, but even that is a headache in and of itself. Also Pirate it so that you don't give Actishitton any of your money since they are the ones responsible for the game being in such an unfinished and broken state.

Good luck then, you started out with the one with least headaches in terms of installations and patches, so you're good.

>Leave VTMB for the last one because it's the one that requires the most headaches to run, you need a bunch of specific patches and mods to get it running correctly and then you're set
Or you could just download the GOG version and save yourself the trouble of fucking around with it much.

It didn't have enough sidequests either. There's stuff you can find around the city that seems like it should be part of a sidequest, when all it leads to is some interesting email or other text.

Never played Prey is it as great as DE/VtM:B, or SS2? Those last 3 were god tier.
Arx Fatalis is similar to Dark Messiah? Okay I'm sold. DM is the best First person melee combat I know.
Definitely. God tier sound design and hella customization options for skills and builds.

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>God tier sound design
When Med Sci kicks in and you hear "WE SEEEEE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU", gets the adrenaline pumping like no other.

Play the original Prey and then see if you want to give the new one a chance.

>System shock is obsolete garbage, just play a better modern immersive sim like Prey or whatever

BASED RETARD

Your fleshBETRAYS YOU

DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

VTMB and Deus Ex for atmosphere, writing and roleplaying elements.

SS2 is good though you never meet anyone and it feels more like a dungeoncrawler since the only thing you ever do is crouch and kill shit inbetween picking up PDAs and hacking cameras.

>VTMB has the best graphics
Like that means anything, you retarded zoomer.

system shock 1

Yeah but that would mean giving Actishiton money.

You should play each of them, OP. I just recently played Deus Ex for the first time. It has become one of my favorite games, and it has been enhanced from listening to Warren Spector's stance on game design. It's a game that gives you a start point and an end point, and the rest is up to you. Why do you NEED a blue keycard to a door when you could go through vents, lockpick it, hack it, or break the fucker down with your crowbar? Also, the writing is quite good. DX has characters take note of your actions, but it never tries to pander or force any kind of views onto you. If you decide to play DX, take the GEP gun and be cautious. You're in for a bad time if you start of trying to play it like a shooter (though it can become a shooter later on if you want).
VtMB is great since it does role-playing better than most other RPGs. What a Brujah character experiences is going to be different for a Malkavian or a Nosferatu (don't play these latter two characters on your first playthrough). The world of Vampire (the World of Darkness) is an interesting place to explore, and each of the areas in the game are full of interesting characters and situations. That being said, VtMB is janky as all get-out. You need to install some community patches to get it running, but I believe the GOG release includes them. Be aware that the later parts of the game can get combat-heavy, so you might want to hold off on maxing those social skills.
I haven't played System Shock 2, but I plan to change that soon. I've heard that it is a great game. Hopefully some other anons can sell you on it.
Considering only Activision is making money from VtMB, I would say that it is more than okay to pirate.

When I said get I didn't mean buy.

Posts like these are the reason I still lurk here, thanks for posting.

add Thief, and we have the holy trinity

vtmb is the best non porn game on this planet. Need any other hint?

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Oh yeah, I forgot GOG is easy to pirate. Oops.

Would STALKER be considered an immersive sim?

Yeah, it's one of the reasons people love the series so much.

vtmb: open it, you should

I opened it the first time around and laughed my ass off, then I started paying attention to the dialogue and realized all the subtleties that foreshadow the encounter

there's even a hint during the tutorial

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Yeah, I noticed this on my 5th playthrough since I usually skip the turtorial, but holy shit do I love catching all the little details this game has.

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HAHAHA, missed this one as well. Thanks for posting these.

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ss2 is best of the three i been playing it lately its a great game that still holds up for its age.

deus ex is overrated garbage

vtmb has good story but gameplay falls short.

>vtmb has good story but gameplay falls short.
Literally the other way around, zoom zoom.

obv you never played it.

back to your fornite thread roomie and remember.

dilate
have sex
seethe

Played it numerous times, zoomie.

advice from a man with brousouf

zoomie fucking autocorrect nice try tho retard

nice lies autismo

Deus Ex is the best one, though of course if you're not a pleb you're playing all three.

VtMB > DE > SS2

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OG Prey is closer to Duke Nukem than Nu Prey

they're both good games though

is this the holy trinity of video games?

>skipping the red-pilling terrorist

VtMB's gameplay is mostly fine once you figure out all the quirks with melee. Sneaking is still broken but other than that, unless you have an issue with stats affecting accuracy and damage for guns which is more of a personal opinion, I always thought VtMB was really fun to play.

You really have to pay attention during the tutorial to learn how combat works, and not neglect combat stats. I know a lot of people just button mash or go 100% social then complain the gameplay sucks, which is kind of silly.

>the holy trinity of video games

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>Gameplay is only combat
Go back to Fortnite.

I agree but tho sneaking and the melee quirks are pretty bad

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DON'T mod deus ex on your first playthrough, just simply use kentie launcher which only makes the game runs on modern systems
after your first playthrough, mod however you like

Planescape was the rpg one.

I don't play Fortnite. Most people only complain about the combat when they say "gameplay". Stop posturing lol.

I think the biggest issue most people have with melee is that they didn't pay attention during the tutorial and learn that holding different directional buttons started a different combo, and mixing up your combos makes you do more damage and makes it harder for enemies to block. It's not very complex, but when you really figure it out it almost feels like the combat system from DMC1, though less polished of course.

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>>System Shock 2
>>Deus ex
Haven't aged all that well.

>VTMB
This. Timeless classic.

All 3, you cockfaggot.

Imagine playing westacuck trash, when you could be playing Yakuza.

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>playing a shitty consoleport
Nah, thanks. Nearly broke my fucking fingers trying to play this on a keyboard and I beat every ds game over 5 times with m+k.

a bunch of western games look like they have the exact same type of combat.

>trying to make you look super cool with a cutscene in the middle of a fight
lol, no thanks

SS2 is unplayable but the other two still hold up really well, especially Bloodlines.

Couldn't even get it to run for me for whatever reason

play deus ex last, system shock 2 and vtmb both are super rushed at the end and become a slog but deus ex is good the whole way through

>for your first playthrough, alter the game

Why do people ever suggest this?

It's not like he's suggesting Revision/GMDX.

>SS2 is unplayable
retard

I don't know. People ask what mods to install for their first time too. I guess it's because they think it's just extra content which can't be a bad thing, but they don't realize a lot of these mods fuck with the base game and make it worse in some ways most of the time too.

In this order:
>Deus Ex
>System Shock 2
>Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines

Wouldn't really say that it's closer to Duke, but the level design is really intricate and labyrinthine, and it's worth playing solely for that.

>Haven't aged all that well.
Why do you say that?

All of them, but preferably in order of release year so that you can enjoy the mechanical and technological evolution of these games, starting with System Shock 1994 and then work your way through all of Looking Glass's games as well as similar games like Bloodlines.

VTMB is pretty enjoyable until you get to the terrible endgame.
Deus Ex is a great game from start to finish.
System Shock 2 is in my backlog, I finished 1 and liked it despite all the issues so I'm assuming 2 is great.

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>Deus ex has the best story and feels pretty much like jankier human revolution
>System shock is obsolete garbage
>better modern immersive sim like Prey
You better be doing this on purpose

All three are great and worth your time though.

Jagged Alliance 2 is pretty damn good
Quality taste on your bait there

Play all of them, but SS2 is my first choice.

SS2, then Deus Ex, then Vampire

play Deus Ex, then VTMB. Skip System Shock, it aged like milk.

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People need to stop downplaying the original system shock when its easily in the top 10 if not top 5 games ever made. its easy to be offput by it if you go in with the wrong mindset but I could just as well say that about something like the soulsborne series. SS is a game that asks you to use your own head and if you do that successfully its retardedly elegant and laughably complex for its time (in a good way). Its like some alien tech that was dropped on earth decades ago so its still more advanced than the shit you see today even if its obviously graphically outdated (and still extremely impressive for the time, its not even remotely the type of samey confusing corridors you see in most doomclones and even doom)

Its a "metroidvania" from far before the term was even coined, it has mechanics that put most FPS games from 2019 to shame (you LITERALLY have a precision slider to adjust your lean AND height). Guns have multiple ammo types with a tacticool reload system and interacting with the world is smooth and complex (like shoving the head of a corpse into a retinal scanner). The game even has proper physics and inertia

There is literally nothing "outdated" about the design of system shock, if it came out today with modern graphics and even slightly modernized controls it would be hailed as an imaginative "dark souls of FPS games"

>metroidvania

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Are you illiterate, somehow otherwise retarded or both?

i'm about 3 decks in to my first system shock 1 enhanced playthrough, it's excellent, wish i played it back in the day. the controls took like 20 minutes to figure out but it was worth it. the level detail is great, so many little things you can interact with. the way everything is square makes it feel like a minecraft mod

Imagine getting pleb filtered on one of the most kino first levels of all time

>enhanced
>le controls took time to figure out

wow, not only are you fucking retarded, you havent even beaten the game if you dont do it on classic

i don't care what you think, i play deus ex with gmdx, i play brutal doom, i enjoy playing old games with mods for QoL, it makes me stiff in the pants. i have to try and beat system shock 1 and 2, AND warcraft 3 before classic wow releases.

>i have to try and beat
but you wont so keep lying to yourself, go ahead and enable godmode and noclip while youre at it

this, it's superior to 2

It's not.

wasn't aware the game had those cheats, you knew though

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system shock 2 kinda sucks after the first few decks I'd recommend the first system shock instead, the other 2 games are great though

i think vampire sucks, idk, can't get into it

Why not? Does the aesthetic turn you off?

I haven't played System Shock, the other two are worth playing. Go for Bloodlines first.

You need to be 18+ to post here.

>Saying new vision is bad then recommending shifter

oh wow

VTMB is complete dogshit at the end while SS2 is fairly manageable, just boring. Infinite ninjas can fuck off.

based

He's obviously false-flagging.

Stop responding to bait.

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Seething westacuck can't handle Jap superiority.

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The endgame isn't even that terrible.
I've beat the game at least 3 times and never particularly disliked going through the sewer and slashing up some monstrosities for xp.

I just thought of the conspiracy theory stuff as a way to tie everything together, it had enough plot outside of that to keep me interested

Retards user

I never had too much of an issue with it either, but it makes more sense as to why so many people complain about it when you realize quite a few people thought they could completely ignore their combat stats

Imagine having such a low self image that you can actually self-insert as an asian male. Fucking OOF.

Not to mention that the environment itself isn't rather interesting and that the monsters look like shit, but in a bad way. Chinatown also being the weakest area with not much going for it.