Has there ever been a game where the remaster was better than the original? I don't think so

Wait until they remake Game of Thrones after the books are done.

shiit will the first few seasons live up to the originals

Super Mario 64 DS

While its easy to have a favorite and even easier to point to some of the things one did better than the other 2003 and Brotherhood tell fundamentally different stories with totally different themes so despite having the same cast of characters comparing them is somewhat meaningless.

Shadow Of The Colossus
Also the original FMA was better

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Waluigi Desert Trek > SM64DS
No, Father >>>>> Dante

This. The first quarter of Brotherhood is so damn rushed.

They expect you to have already watched 2003 and they didn't bother wasting time and budget re-animating the same exact sequence of events twice.

Yea Forums have said this for years and true or not it's not an excuse for lazily rushing the first part of a series they had to animate anyway

>Buggy and ugly trash is good
>Poorly written edgy fanfiction was better

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In the case of FMA, it's better in every way.

Yeah, no, Halo CE and 2 shit on their remakes.

Pathologic 1's HD remaster made the game actually comprehensible.
Pathologic 2 (confusingly named remake) is better than the original in just about every way, aside from beiing incomplete.

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Dude its not like it was a reboot a decade later, everyone who gave a fuck at the time had already seen it. Literal waste of screentime, when characters reference those events you already know what happened.

>SOTC's remake is ugly
Have you seen the original PS2 SOTC lately faggot?

>Poorly written edgy fanfiction was better
Yes the original was written by a woman and the definition of the and so he became a god memes
The original was human and relatable, humunculi were an actual consequence and the villian had a relatable motive and Ed had a real sacrifice

pokemon let’s go

Original was great until the very end, then okay. The movie that came after straight up ruined it.

Pokemon Firered/Leafgreen is far better than that Let's Go garbage.

I want god's power and knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want not to die

Yeah fair point it saids a lot when a fuckign anime manages to fuck up nazi germany as a setting
I never saw the FMAB post movie though

>I want god's power and knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want not to die
I was 14 once too

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Odin Sphere

>The original was human and relatable
Yeah, Scar creating a 3D map and dictionary really was human and relatable.

2003 isn't the original though.

>Tfw no FMA game made by Platinum's Nier Automata team where you can transmute anything for crazy combos

>he can't understand basic existentialism, fear of the unknown, and the desire to be greater than the roll you were assigned
>he can't even understand the frog in the well

Fuck this show and manga. They killed off my waifu.

The Xing subplot in the manga and Brotherhood was terrible, Mei was an infuriatingly annoying character

This is the only real criticism of brotherhood for me, but fuck its so true. Ling is alright but Mei was fucking awful.

>seriously defending Brotherhood
the ending was trash and you should feel like one

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I dunno man. Probably! They have uhh, hindsight or whatever now. They can respond to fan response and what not. Actually plan stuff out...

Do i need to watch 2003 to watch Brotherhood?

For the full "as faithful to the manga as it gets" adaptation watch 2k3 until Hughes' death then watch Brotherhood from Hughes' death onwards. I will say though that as far as suspending disbelief, "mystery power caused by tectonic shifts" is a better explanation for alchemy than "powered by ww2"

Would I get a good experience if I never played the first game and played the second. I had no idea 2 was a remake.

I think it's best to stop before the 5th Laboratory.

yes

>defending the awful movie
Yikes

But scar is fine

brotherhood IS the original you tard
it follows the manga all the way through, while the first fma anime started making it's own story halfway through because the manga wasn't finished yet

wish they would do something like this with soul eater

>"powered by ww2"
what the fuck were they thinking?

the brotherhood movie is even worst but ok
and i'm not defending anything you dumb fuck
i attack you shitty meme of "original is better"
>yikes

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>everyone living their lives happily
>BAD
>everyone suffers for the edge
>GOOD

>halo CE
yeah sure
>2
ya nah, youre retarded

>Brotherhood movie
Enough with your nonsense

Halo 2A can't even get the fucking cutscenes right, when you destroy Flood with a sword, you don't even see a mist of blood anymore, saturated to hell and back, too much lens flare shoved up your ass, and the cinematography compared to the original is trash.

Probably referring to Sacred Star of Milos. Personally I thought it was better than Conqueror of Shamballa primarily because it doesn't do that retarded other dimensions shit.

>nothing really matter and everything was achievable from the start
>lol it's just about giving back your alchemy to god XD
>good
> you have to face your deeds and your fear, no matter how hard it get, and some time you have to lose something to trully understand its value,
you cannot take back what is lost, but you can create more
>BAD

Nah, no matter how you try to defend it, the others are right in that otherdimensional Nazi juice alchemy is stupid.

youtu.be/ORe7gt-mY14
youtu.be/2uq34TeWEdQ
Best openings.

continue to be mad about muh nazie sutff

you're cute

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Pretty sure the only one mad here is you for hating everyone that doesn't cut themselves on that edge of yours.

>Also the original FMA was better
I agree. The original story was better than that OC garbage in the first animated adaptation.

Finished watching 2003 a few days ago and I really liked it up until the last few episodes, that ending felt like it came out of nowhere. As cheesy as Brotherhood's was, the buildup was way better. Either way it's interesting to watch both just to be surprised by how different some characters end up being, they actually tried doing something with Lust, her only defining trait in Brotherhood was being a cunt and getting annihilated by broken-ass Roy Mustang.

Fable Aniversary

brotherhood is literally better in every single way you contrarian faggots

Ed lost his Alchemy and leg, Al had to recover his body or he would have died, Mustang needed to use a Stone to restore his site even though he hated the thought of using one, even after the end there are still issues with possible wars breaking out between other countries and Amestris. When Mustang becomes king, he, Hawkeye, all of his men and State Alchemist will be persecuted for their war crimes.

*sight

Did you watch the movie? It's the actual ending to 2003.

Bradley is a much better antagonist in the manga/brotherhood than his silly 2003 counterpart.

Not yet, I'm about to. I'm not saying the ending felt incomplete since I already know there's a movie after that, I'm just saying everything leading up to the series' ending felt a bit rushed. I didn't pay attention to how many episodes I had left so I legit didn't realize that was it.

FMA2003 is better than Brotherhood though. Brotherhood is too much of a typical shounen. They let humor ruin the serious time of the show too often, and Brotherhood's large ensemble cast removed the focus from Ed and Al far too often. Plus, nothing that happens in Brotherhood matters because you know everyone is gonna get a happy ending anyway. 2003 also has way better music.

RE2 remake, Shadow of the Colossus remake, Disgaea 1 complete, Okami HD, I'm sure there are more. Game remasters/remakes are actually getting pretty good

You never grew out of your 14 year old edgelord phase.

FRLG
HGSS
Super Star Ultra
Windwaker HD
Samus Returns

Also basically any fighting game if that counts.

>You'll never fuck envy raw in the ass

Why bother living?

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I never had a 14 year old edgelord phase lmao

That makes sense. For you it was never a phase.

>nothing that happens in Brotherhood matters because you know everyone is gonna get a happy ending anyway
That's retarded. You might as well kill yourself now because no matter what you do you know you're going to die anyway. It's not about the ending, it's about the things you did on the way there.

>Shadow of the Colossus remake
The remaster, maybe, but the remake is garbage

(You)

What?! Hohenheim died at the end of Brotherhood, it's happy yet bittersweet, you feel sorry for him yet happy for him at the same time, Greed got his head bitten off by his own dad finally realizing that friends are all he ever wanted and died for it. Lan Fan lost her arm and grandfather. Let's forget all that, though because none of these characters deserved happiness in your eyes after all the shit they've been through.

I'm reading the manga and it's boring as shit. When does it get good?

What I mean is that there are no stakes. It happens in shounen and marvel movies all the time, because you already know the good guys are gonna win

The good guys won at the end of 2k3 too, in case you forgot.

NuDoom

Ed and Al are separated, Al gets his body back but he's still 10 years old and has no memories of the past years with his brother, Ed ends up in an alternate universe, Windy is sad, resentful of Mustang, and left to care for Al without Ed around, Mustang loses an eye and a piece of his humanity. Sure some of them get some of the things they wanted but it's not nearly as hokey as Brotherhood. Even if you count the Shambala movie they don't get much of a happy ending.

Also, I like brotherhood too. I just think 2003 tells a better intimate story of two brothers and their mistakes and the journey to try to correct those mistakes. All of the extra characters in Brotherhood get in the way of that story.

>I just think 2003 tells a better intimate story of two brothers and their mistakes and the journey to try to correct those mistakes. All of the extra characters in Brotherhood get in the way of that story.
That's because you have a double digit IQ and no grasp of storytelling.

>Brotherhood is too much of a typical shounen.
You keep on saying this but fail to realise that humor was a bigger part in 03 than it was brotherhood especially since it animated several omake panels. Then there's episode 37.

So coupling your post with it's less "there are no stakes" and more "the stakes are for characters I don't care about".

No, and there will never be

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why do brotherhoodfags always have no arguments?

Yeah that's fair. I don't really care about a lot of the extra Brotherhood characters, which again just means that I like 2003 more. I don't think either show is bad. I just like 2003 better.

Ed and Al are separated in Brotherhood as well, just not with asspull multiverse bullshit. Ed went west and Al went east, then there's also Ed now being the FMA equivalent of a muggle while Al can still perform alchemy.

>All of the extra characters in Brotherhood get in the way of that story
Fuck you, Izumi Curtis deserved a happy ending in 2003, not to die off screen in a movie.

Why do you think that saying "the good guys win so there's no stakes except it's different in 2003 because I say so even though the good guys win" gives you some sort of logical and well thought out point that people need to seriously argue against? You contradicted yourself and then came up with new criteria mid conversation. You're a fucking retard.

They both go off to be with their women though. That's what brothers do as they grow older. It's a happy ending for both of them. Alchemy was like a curse to Ed anyway, I'm sure he wasn't too upset to be free of it.

>I just think 2003 tells a better intimate story of two brothers and their mistakes
Not really.
The focus on their brotherly bond only really comes in towards the end of the series and it ends up being fairly rushed while it's more of a constant presence in Brotherhood.

Don't forget that even though the brothers were together since Al's body was on the other side it still felt like they were far apart, Al going in an out because his soul was ready to return to his body wasn't helping.

>Alchemy was like a curse to Ed anyway
You what? He was extremely proud of his skill in alchemy.

Serious Sam HD was pretty good

Ed and Al aren't even a constant presence in Brotherhood, let alone their bond.

>Alchemy was like a curse to Ed anyway, I'm sure he wasn't too upset to be free of it.
Jesus Christ, you didn't read the manga or watch Brotherhood, did you?

Also, I didn't like how 2003 made Al a pussy for most of the series until the last episode while in the manga and Brotherhood he's a badass.

What are some other "pretty good" anime? Not looking for a masterpiece or anything just something pretty good to munch popcorn to like FMA:B.

Yeah, Al constantly getting pulled into the gate realm mid series and his constant questioning of whether he was the real deal or just a construct made of Ed's memories of Al really made a point of showing that even though they were brothers there was still some estrangement (is that even a word?) going on there.

>I don't really care about a lot of the extra Brotherhood characters
I guess Ed and Al are extras too then, since you don't care that they actually reunited with their father, got to do some alchemy related bonding, and then lost him all over again.

>Ed and Al aren't even a constant presence in Brotherhood
So you didn't actually read it or even watch the anime. Even when they were apart all they could do was think of each other.
The best example of that would be when Gluttony swallowed Ed, Ling and Envy.

i wonder how sillent hill remake looks like according to you user

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Gotta agree with this
They even included the original game style as an optional mode for people that would be like "WAHH THEY CHANGE THE GAME REMAKE BAD"

Alchemy is the reason his dad wasn't around, causing his mother to become sad and to die early when she became ill and no one was around to help her. Alchemy is the reason he lost his limbs and his brothers body. It's the reason he had to join the military and become a dog of the state. It's the reason for the Ishvalan genocide. It's the reason Nina died. His skills aren't even truly his own, just something he got from the gate. Whether he's proud of it or not, he clearly has some negative feelings about alchemy

Of course I watched both of them and read the manga (I had more but lost hundreds of manga when I moved), I still have some of the volumes in my apt. What I'm saying is that in Brotherhood Ed and Al aren't even on screen as much as they ought to be, because there are so many side characters whose stories need to be told

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Considering that one of the last scenes of Brotherhood was Ed absentmindedly trying to repair a roof by doing alchemy, I'm pretty sure you're fucking wrong here.

>he clearly has some negative feelings about alchemy
Are you retarded?
He has never once displayed any negative feelings over alchemy, the use of it is a completely different story because it varies from person to person.
As for himself it was his pride and joy with it being on of the few traits he thought he had over Al.

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You know what they mean. Stop being facetious.

FMA for character and world building, FMAB for story. Also, RE2 was decent

>What I'm saying is that in Brotherhood Ed and Al aren't even on screen as much as they ought to be
And how exactly does that invalidate the point? Even when they aren't there they and their bonds become a topic of discussion.
It's hammered in throughout the entire story.

Maybe I am wrong, it's been a long time since I've watched Brotherhood. Frankly though, if he doesn't have any conflicting feelings about alchemy then that's just shit writing

>if he doesn't have any conflicting feelings about alchemy then that's just shit writing
On the contrary because it shows he can separate the tool from the person. If he did then THAT would have been bad writing especially since he's relying on it too solve his problems.

Gurren Lagann is the perfect "popcorn" anime.

Code Geass and Original Eureka 7, but don't watch (Eureka Seven AO). Yeah like other user said, Gurren Lagann is good too. Coincidentally or not, they're all mecha anime.

>Licensed shit
>Naruto
I knew you were an idiot, but damn.

Space Dandy, baby.
youtube.com/watch?v=OI9aye8uTCk

>Okay I might be completely fucking wrong, but if I am then it's shit writing
Just stop posting.

Space Dandy is great

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>Coincidentally or not, they're all mecha anime.
That's because mecha anime is all about the spectacle. Sure some have good stories too but we all know the fights are what people want.

>but we all know the fights are what people want
Yep. That's why G Gundam holds a special place in my heart.

>shitty shonen brotherhood
>better than darker slower FMA
Its fast forward so fucking much you dont even get the same impact of the darkest points of the story because you barely even give a shit about the characters it happens too. Also you miss out on best song
youtube.com/watch?v=EpAbJCzmDBk

Brotherhood was always for the brainlet ADHD kids and the ending was pure trash

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Pic not related? Because the left one is a half canon off-spin and right one is a faithful adaptation. Also if you understood the symbolism going on in FMA:B, you'd know just how superior it really is. Honestly it's kinda silly to compare them, but anons are gonna be anons so here we are.

Concerning games, there's more than a few remasters that do a solid job, however they almost always seem to miss a thing or two from original releases or at least tend to change something.

Brotherhood is better, the manga is ALWAYS better deviating from teh manga is ALWAYS a mistake.

Mostly because the manga was written by a woman, and it showed. The male staff on 2003 managed to take the essence of the story in a better direction.

>Cohesive story with a plot that's thought out and supports its themes?
>No thanks. Make it haphazardly written edgy trash for intellectuals like myself

I just wish they snuck a little bit of Brajta into Brotherhood at one point. Maybe during the final fight with Father considering the circumstances.

>darker
On what planet is 03 dark?

>deviating from teh manga is ALWAYS a mistake.
This isn't true at all. Plenty of the best adaptations took liberties to leverage the different medium produced something great. Trying to follow the manga strictly and then going crazy half way through is stupid, but when you screech any time an adaptation isn't 1:1 you come off like an ESLfag who reads machine translated LNs and then screams about secondaries in anime adaptation threads because the anime cut out 10 pages worth of internal monologue that tries to make the events of the story not retarded.

I've always been interested in diving into some Gundam but there's like a million different series so I've always been lost on where to even begin.

Adapting is not the same as deviating. I don't need one to one. But shit like this or the original Hellsing or the ending of Gantz are shit.

I disagree with ''to a better direction''

Sacred Star of Milos is also just a better standalone movie.

Its not meant to be a tie in to brotherhood.

It's "darker" compared to brotherhood is what 03fags are trying to say, what with the whole Tucker not stopping with the body horror stuff, Rose getting raped into becoming mute, how homunculi are created, etc.
A good amount of Gundam stuff are self contained universes and outside of the UC stuff tend to be labelled as such so it's not all that hard to follow. Basically, you don't need to watch G Gundam to understand Gundam Wing, don't need to watch Gundam Age to understand Gundam Seed, etc. etc.

>Also you miss out on best song
>youtube.com/watch?v=EpAbJCzmDBk [Open]
In exchange you get one of the best pieces in the series
youtube.com/watch?v=EJix4fIizus

And the Card Captor Sakura anime was amazing.

If I wanted whatever haphazard ADHD trash brotherhood was trying to do I'd watch something infinitely better done like Hunter X Hunter.

>FMAB
>shounen that just works
>FMA(2003)
>shounen attempted to turn into seinen along the way
Both have their ups and downs.

>haphazard
Parroting words doesn't make you look clever when you clearly don't know what they mean or how they're used.

>shounen attempted to turn into seinen along the way
You're thinking of 03. After Al was turned into a stone it just dropped the mixed serious and comedic aspect of fma among other things to introduce some strange plot elements like alchemic energy being human souls from another universe and applying equivalent exchange to society.

I wouldn't know.

>Tucker
>This would have totally happened in the original manga/bh if Scar didn't visit him
Thanks Scar

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Yes I did say
>FMA(2003)

03 was more haphazard and it shows, what with the whole nonsensical shit like "if you have a thing that belonged to the homunculus they get paralyzed for no alchemic reason" or even the world war 2 thing previously discussed in this thread.

Oh my mistake, people usually put brotherhood on the bottom.

>what with the whole Tucker not stopping with the body horror stuff, Rose getting raped into becoming mute, how homunculi are created, etc.
I wouldn't really say that's dark so much as unnecessarily edgy.

Brotherhood wasn't a remaster it was a remake.

Also, in the case of remasters, Romancing SaGa 2.

We should name all of the bullshit 03 had.

>Brotherhood wasn't a remaster it was a remake.
More like the unreleased original.

>Yume Nikki remake
?

Its haphazard because it butchers characterisation by speeding through it but Brotherhood apologists say its justified for baby basic "muh seven deadly sins, so poetic, muh alchemy equivalence"

the whole idea in 03 that all the disgusting warcrimes, traffiking and experiments were carried out simply for the greed and indifference of one simple nigger Dante was far better than whatever the author shoved in the end of brotherhood and the manga

Brotherhood was never a remaster, it followed the manga when the manga was finally finished.
The original just deviated and the story became a complete fucking mess.

>Its haphazard because it butchers characterisation by speeding through it
Already explained at least twice in this thread : it was expected that people actually read FMA before or watched 03, so any "fleshing out" of the story before the split felt redundant.
>the whole idea in 03 that all the disgusting warcrimes, traffiking and experiments were carried out simply for the greed and indifference of one simple nigger Dante was far better than whatever the author shoved in the end of brotherhood and the manga
Funny because the whole idea of brotherhood was that the whole idea in 03 that all the disgusting warcrimes, traffiking and experiments in 350 years of Almestris' use of alchemy were carried out simply for the greed and indifference of one simple nigger Father.

>original PS2 SOTC lately faggot?
still better than the remake.

Okay, then try GitS, Mazinkaiser or Slayers. Plenty of anime adaptations do their own thing and end up fantastic.

>simply for the greed and indifference of one simple nigger Dante
Which is one of the many flaws of 03 because it just randomly shoved her in as the sole master mind with very little foreshadowing. Not to mention the nonsense of using the stone to body hop.

>Brotherhood
>remake
How is this board so stupid?

Dante was also a fucking dumbass
>change to Lyra's body
>few months at most
>body already rotten up to her collarbones
WELP I GUESS I NEED TO MAKE A STONE EVERY FEW MONTHS FROM NOW ON

Get your head out of your ass, the Blur cutscenes are great. Also H2A's remastered multiplayer is so underrated

The thing that gets me the most is that soul binding in 03 was perfect so she could have just taken that route if she really wanted to live.

wait are you actually justifying the first half of brotherhood being trash because "youre expected to have read the manga" Jesus christ what a weak fucking argument for atrocious storytelling. The only thing I'll give Brotherhood ove FMA is the animation quality

Hohenheim leaving in 2003 made sense. He didn't want his family seeing him rot away. In Brotherhood he literally just left his family for no reason. Yeah he wanted to find a way to be able to die, but why couldn't he have done that and lived at home?

>wait are you actually justifying the first half of brotherhood being trash because "youre expected to have read the manga
As opposed to almost everything from 03 being trash?

It's even dumber when you consider that her having homunculi is counterproductive to her goals. Homunculi are created by feeding them red stones, and red stones are just lesser Philosopher's stones. Instead of working out a way to fuse these lesser stones into a Philosopher's stone she just wastes it making the homunculi to get them to nudge people into making a Philosopher's stone.

Assuming she had to spend an entire Stone to bodyhop it was moronic. Consider how much time and effort it took to make one stone. Now consider how fast the possessed body decomposes. Nah she'll just get more stone it's like buying eggs from a grocery store.

>Hey Dad!
>Hey Al. Can you make me an iron maiden? I want to see if that'll kill me this time
>I'll do it when I get back from my business trip Dad

FMA is a poor comparison for this discussion because in that case the "Remaster" was the original.

But the answer is Pathologic 2.

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>Yeah he wanted to find a way to be able to die, but why couldn't he have done that and lived at home?
You didn't finish it did you.

Manga>2003>>>>>>>>>>>brotherhood

It definitely isn't a god damn remaster, which is a completely different term in film.

I expect you and most brotherhood niggers are probably underage and grew up with brotherhood first. 99% of people who grew up with brotherhood first are brotherhood shitters who love defending their slapstick shonen trash

>I expect you and most brotherhood niggers are probably underage and grew up with brotherhood first
You'd be wrong then because I first discovered 03 on an anime network we had in the UK years ago.

I'm talking about at that point in time in the story. There's literally no reason why Hohenheim had to leave.

so even worse, you're the braindead 1% with shit taste

The first anime ended in 04, Conqueror of Shamballa came out in 06. It was still fresh on people's minds when Brotherhood came out in 09, specially considering that the manga was still running. On one hand it can be seen as cost cutting, putting people right where things took a turn, and on another hand it can be seen as "Do people really need to see Uncle Ben die again to know how Peter Parker becomes a super hero?" "Should we really watch Bruce Wayne's parents get murdered again to understand why he's such an emo kid?"

You're so fucking stupid that it hurts.

Says the guy defending 03.
You know you're in the minority right? Just look around you.

Ascended taste

youre comparing the very start of an origin story to the entire first fucking half of the FMA story. These niggers are arguing that "its ok if brotherhood is trash for 30 episodes because you should have just read the manga"

Hohenheim left for three reasons
1. He noticed signs of Father repeating Xerxes shit in AMestris
2. He wanted to repent for the sins he committed when he aided Father in Xerxes and give purpose to the still self-conscious souls inside him
3. He was basically immortal and if he stayed, he would live watching his wife and children grow old while he didn't change at all

Allright. How is Brotherhood a remaster? If anything it's another take on the source material, this time from a loyalist perspective, not unlike the differences between Nosferatu and "Bram Stoker's Dracula".

>for 30 episodes
It's literally about 2 or 3. Man you really have a hateboner for brotherhood don't you.

FMA '03 is good until it starts to seriously deviate from the manga, after which it begins to go downhill. Not because it's different (Arakawa even requested they make it different, and gave them her blessing), but because it sacrifices a lot to focus more obsessively on Ed and Al, and even then doesn't do as good a job as the source material.

Brotherhood gets good later but the director made the short-sighted decision to speed past everything the first anime covered, which makes the first 13 or so episodes feel sloppy and rushed. It can't stand alone.

The manga is the definitive work in this case. The pacing and artwork are better too.

The GITS adaptation is different, it doesn't follow the manga halfway THEN deviate. That's where the issue lies. Doing your own thing set in the same universe is fine.

He wanted to be able to grow old and die instead of watching his family rot away. In the process of trying to figure out how to do that he learned about Amestris shaping up to be Xerxes 2.0. It was only after he figured that shit out that he decided he needed to go.

It's around the time there's a tragic death, so it's like 15 episodes in if I remember correctly.

I thought the colonial issues in 2003 were handled better than in Brotherhood, not just the focus of Al and Ed.

It's more up to the events of lab 5 which is where 03 and brotherhood deviate greatly so 8 episodes.

youtube.com/watch?v=RZC6LnFIThQ
Which did this scene better? 03 or FMAB?

How is it a fucking remake? I never called it a remaster, but you called it a remake. Even going by your terms, it's a remaster of the original story while 03 complete remakes it.

>it doesn't follow the manga halfway THEN deviate
That's literally what I already said. I also said that the "changing the source material at all is bad" claim was retarded.

Episode 15 is the first time the Elrics meet the prince, way past lab 5 considering that Barry the Chopper is running around in public.

03, anyone who argues otherwise is lying to themselves. Makes Hughes seem more intelligent.

Brotherhood. Hughes emotes way more.

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Not in a million years, bro. Nice dpad movement. Nice gay dual screen aids. Nice compressed af sounds. Nice shitty having-to-switch-characters-for-certain-stars cancer. Nice bob-omb battlefield. Nice uglier texture work in general. Nice uglier enemy redesigns.

The duality of man

I got it wrong because the OP stablished a different adaptation as a "remaster" of another adaptation of the same source material, sorry about that. It's two iterations of the story done by different people at different times, and in movies this can loosely be considered a "remake" (as Invasion of the Body Snatchers is a remake of another Invasion of the Body Snatchers but are different movies with different interests). A remaster is just taking the original piece and making a better master of it from source materials.

I didn't say that though. I said deviating from it is bad. Maybe I wasn't clear enough but I was describing following the manga to a point and then deviating from it.

>Makes Hughes seem more intelligent
Not really, because he fucking blabs everything he knows to Maria in a panic. In Brotherhood he's way more collected despite the shoulder wound

Brotherhood is the original...

If you're talking about the whole Amestris as a conquering empire thing and the Ishbalan genocide, I'm going to have to disagree, though I hate that Brotherhood basically condensed the Ishbalan flashback volume into a single episode Again, while I am defending Brotherhood within the context of one adaption verses another, I still find the manga superior to both.

The manga manages to thread the difficult needle of portraying both the Ishbalans' grief and anger and conflicted response to their systematic mistreatment and also the humanity, depravity, regret, hard choices, and mistakes of their occupiers and oppressors. We see good people do good and bad people do bad and good people trying to rationalize why they are doing bad, or if they should. It's beautifully complex. Arakawa manages to condemn and humanize Amestris at the same time, which actually makes their actions worse than if they were just all evil or not thinking about it, but also leaves the door open for individual redemption.

I don't think the original anime did as good a job with the Ishbalans, but an attempt was made, and it was reasonable for its time. I don't think they did very well with the other half of the equation though, especially not with characters like Archer, or their reinterpretation of Basque Grand and Kimbley (though admittedly they weren't give much to work with at the time - Grand was an off-screen character in manga at the time and Kimbley was foreshadowed once and then hidden away for like like ten volumes).

If you're referring to something else, I'd need to ask you to clarify.

I did meant the Ishbalans, sorry about vague.

There's elements that both did well. Hughes not letting Envy get the drop on him in 03 does great in showing his intelligence but the bits in Brotherhood where his family picture fell out his notebook, still trying to get word out to Roy despite him bleeding out, and thinking of his family with his dying breath all serve to deepen him. Not to mention, Brotherhood gives a good explanation for how Envy knew what Hughes' wife looked like.

>Makes Hughes seem more intelligent.
>03
>Hughes realises Maria isn't Maria and takes her to a secluded location
>almost puts Mustang on their hitlist by attempting to tell them everything while envy is behind him

>brotherhood
>doesn't know how far the corruption goes so he doesn't tell anyone and even tells the receptionist to forget he was there
>takes into consideration that the phone is tapped at the military and goes for an outside line
>attempted to make sure he wasn't followed

I wouldn't call 03 Hughes intelligent in that situation.

Deviating doesn't mean "following the source strictly to a point then veering off course". Specify in the future, because you were trying to say the same thing I said.

>in movies this can loosely be considered
We're talking about games, manga and anime. Why bring up movies?

The Ninja Warriors Once Again

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Relation between manga and anime is not very different from movies and their source materials. However, as I've said, the consideration of "remakes" in that case is loose, so it's better to say they're just different adaptations and that's it.

>Kid Wrath
>That Envy Twist
>The homunculus make no sense in general
>Ed gets isekai'd to Nazi Germany
>Main villain is a femcel who is mad that she got cucked by Ed's father
>Fucking pic related

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de·vi·ate
verb
gerund or present participle: deviating
/ˈdēvēˌāt/

depart from an established course.
"you must not deviate from the agreed route"

I wasn't using the word wrong, but yes I should have been more specified.

>Relation between manga and anime is not very different from movies and their source materials.
This is a stupid post. Your movie comparison was ill founded.

You meant specifically "after following the source material strictly to a point." You didn't just mean departing from the source material, because that's how I used it.

You forgot about the red stone which is like a philosopher stone but naturally occurring.

Archer is so stupid I can't help but love him.

He's a terrible character but a great joke.

Homunculus make more sense in 03. They are the punishment of human transmutation. They have memories of their past life.

In Brotherhood they are literally just Father's cum droplets given form

Christ, why'd you remind me

>They are the punishment of human transmutation. They have memories of their past life.
Which means they're more of a success than anything else because everything about that person has been revived memories and all, which is ridiculous in and of itself mind you because don't have the brain or even the soul of the original.

If you like 2003 you're a pseud

Oh and the berserker state. Treating alchemy like magic was ridiculous.

>They have memories of their past life.
Thing is that was a pretty pointless plot element because only two had any past to speak of.

I'm also being reminded of goofy yak Tal Shucker with an upside down face that spook like Dr Claw

Yeah I could have explained myself better. Shitposting at work isn't conducive to high quality I suppose.

Shou Tucker was something else I feel like '03 mishandled, and not because they turned him into a weird upside-down monster either.

In the manga part of the tragedy of Tucker was how pointless it all was. Not only did he sacrifice his own family for a petty reason, it was revealed shortly thereafter that the military already knew how to create human-chimera hybrids. Literally the only reason Tucker's initial sacrifice (of his wife) paid off was because the top brass had to keep their project a secret. And Tucker wasn't even good at what he did. You can't even argue he "Advanced the cause of science, but at what cost." He gained nothing but money, and lost everything, including his own family.

But the anime plays with the timeline a bit and makes Tucker the expert he never was. It elevates him in a weird way that detracts from the horror of it all and just makes him another over-the-top anime villain who did a bad thing in his past but now he's crazy.

I was shitposting on a train. Step it up.

Wasn't his entire body just pasted on the back of the bear body?

So the first 15 episodes?

You know, everyone says it's 15 episodes but it goes into filler a lot earlier

>They are the punishment of human transmutation.
>03
>person comes back with an immortal body
>original
>person is dead for good but the toll is taken
I don't think you know what a punishment is.

Don't forget that Wrath ages....... Because....

That was dumb, a least they explain Bradley's aging in Brotherhood by saying his body was human based but in 03 Wrath was created in the same way as the rest of them.

If you consider sc1 broodwar a remaster then yes.

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anime is a genre of film and television you weeb retard

Except we were talking about television anime based on manga. Film does not factor into this at all, you stupid Yea Forums crossboarder.

2003 Sloth and Pride and Wrath aren't even lazy, prideful or angry
Sloth is mopey, Pride is still like OG Wrath but less cool and Wrath just crys

>lust wasn't lustful
>tfw lust sex scene never

2003 will always be better for the fact that Ed and Al's resurrection worked and they actually returned their mother to life as an inhuman monster and were forced to kill her again and accept their losses and move on.
That alone was better than any of the boring shonen shit in brotherhood

I prefer 2003, it's really like a Kierkegaard fanfiction and the drama is quite good and entertaining. But plotholefags will prefer the 40 episodes of "worldbuilding" that never really pays off in Brotherhood.

>2003 will always be better
Nope

>2003 will always be better for the fact that Ed and Al's resurrection worked
Which is a bad thing because it means the whole "It's impossible to do" becomes utter bullshit. Not to mention it treats alchemy more like a magic.
It also devalues their "punishment".

Digging up the grave > mom fight

The punishment is they can't really have momma, just a monster in her skin you retard. Also alchemy was always fucking magic
>hurr I harness the souls of the dead to become immortal!
Alchemy in mythology has always been esoteric magic, the entire xerxes plotline nails that on the head
Brotherhood has some pretty major plotholes too, like Ed being able to use alchemy in gluttony to fight envy when there would be no tectonic energy for him to draw power from

ocarina of time 3d

>The punishment is they can't really have momma, just a monster in her skin you retard.
You're joking right? If it weren't for Dante's brainwashing they would have had an immortal super powered mother.
>Also alchemy was always fucking magic
No, no it wasn't.
Aside from the circles and such it was always portrayed as a science, that's where the whole idea of equivalent exchange comes from.

>the entire xerxes plotline nails that on the head
You mean the part of the story where it's even less of a magic and involved long and arduous experimentation with Hohenheim's blood to create the Dwarf in the Flask to begin with?
Tell me more about something you clearly know nothing about.

>hurr I harness the souls of the dead to become immortal
Did you just skip over everything?

Wow you retards sure love to argue about some mediocre anime on a video game board.

Yes by all means tell me how the story about a man cutting himself and creating a magic talking ball with eyes and literally talking to god is totally scientific.
Face it, you're just a retard, alchemy was always magic, xerxes was absolutely fucking ridiculous and calling that anything else than typical anime magic is frankly embarrassing

>Point out exactly what happened
>wtf did you skip???
Why are brotherhood fags so fucking deluded

>tectonic energy
Talk about speed reading. Alchemy has nothing to do with tectonic plates that was just bullshit Father made up for the masses which is why Xingese alchemy doesn't mention it and instead refers to the Dragon's Pulse which is basically a form of energy that everything has.

My favorite part is apparently all the souls are still concious and trying to save the world

No, it was real, that's why father could stop anmestris alchemy but not fake china's alchemy

>that's why father could stop anmestris alchemy
He could stop it because he was pumping his stone into the ground and controlling the flow of natural energy to alchemists in Amestris.
That's what the tubes were for and why every alchemist had a power boost at the end.

That wasn't why, actually now that I think about it I don't think that part was ever explained

See Everything is explained in Brotherhood/the manga. You'd be hard pressed to find something that isn't.

Right so he created an inert barrier to stop their alchemy which didn't work on the chinks because they draw power from other sources. Then when the stone activated it was no longer an inert barrier now was it?
You are such a retard

If it wasn't for Dante's intervention they would have a skeletal abomination for a mother

Why can Ed use Alchemy in the endless void of gluttony's gullet. Literally no explanation whatsoever

>Right so he created an inert barrier
No user, all Amestrian alchemy uses Father's stone not the plates or the natural energy.

03 Bradley doesn’t make sense just like everything in 03. He kept his one weakness in his house because??

See Why repeat yourself when you already had an answer?

Then why can't they transmute without following the laws of equivalent exchange? Every single time Ed uses a stone it is a plot point that every alchemist KNOWS when they're using a stone, yet for some reason fucking nobody has noticed this at all in amestris?
You're wrong, it comes from the plates ans aimply muted by the stone barrier which did not become active until later in the story which is why when they did activate everyone knew and could use stronger alchemy.
Use your head before baiting

Manga>Both

Because if that were true father wouldn't have been able to stop alchemy at all, yet he could do it for ed and the others, the reason it doesn't work on xinghese alchemy is because it draws energy from a different source, it is fundementally different from the energy the people of amestris use

The manga is juvenile garbage on the same level as naruto or my hero academia

Yes plenty of times, its just easier to remember the failures because you have to fuck up pretty bad for a remaster to turn out worse

>Then why can't they transmute without following the laws of equivalent exchange
Because father is regulating the control of energy.
>Every single time Ed uses a stone it is a plot point that every alchemist KNOWS when they're using a stone
No it's not?
The only one who knew that there was something wrong with Amestrian alchemy was Mei.

Seriously read the manga.

You know Gluttony has a stone, right?

You think that but think the anime is better? You have the shittest taste known to man

Seriously kill yourself you delusional retard, when you use a stone you can feel the literal screaming souls inside. I also appreciate that you're still dodging the question of how he's used alchemy in gluttony when that also makes literally no fucking sense

Then why did he need Envy's stone?

but the same thing happened in botherhood?
never watched 03 but not sure why wouldn't brotherhood's monster count

>when you use a stone you can feel the literal screaming souls inside
What?
That's never been a thing. Are you thinking of when Bradley and Ling had stones implanted on their bodies?

Also I gave you the answer if you don't like, fine, but it's not going to change.

I was never a fan of either versions of the anime either. Since the plot is just dreadful and honestly quite boring

In 03 its a successful revival.
In Brotherhood it's scientifically impossible to ressurect someone after they've passed, the monster they created was only a temporary host for Al before Ed attached him to the armor.

No I'm thinking of when Ed comments he can feel the life of a stone whenever he uses one. If he was using a stone in day to day alchemy he'd be able to tell.

It is certainly a tragedy.

>Every single time Ed uses a stone it is a plot point that every alchemist KNOWS when they're using a stone
Not him but no it wasn't. Only Mei knew the difference.

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>tfw in brotherhood the whole ritual literally did nothing and was only a minor plot point to get the kids started on their journey
Hack writing

He means Dream Diary.

Wrong, flip to literally any scene where Ed touches a stone

>Temporary host for Al

What now? When was that explained?

REmake
Also, in your FMA example they move in different directions. I havent seen Brotherhood, but it looks more like generic shonen. So while Im sure its less convoluted, that final scene of 2003 with the trains still gives me goosebumps.

>One of the main themes of the series is that you can never bring back the dead.
>Turns out that not only can you bring back the dead but they come back immortal and better than ever.
03 was constantly contradicting its own themes for the sake of cheap twists and shock value.

It wasn't really it was just a throwaway flashback of Al looking at Ed through the monsters eyes

Not gonna lie they look fucking cool.
Post the titty shortstack

If I remember right it was right after Ed met Hohenheim again and dug up their the grave of the monster.

Brotherhood isn't better than 03

Why doesn't every alchemist just wear gloves with transmutation circles on them like Mustang? Drawing em in the middle of a fight seems like a hassle

2003 unironically is better than Brotherhood.

Most of the combat alchemists do have something like that
Mustang has his gloves
Armstrong has his gauntlets
Kimberlee has his hand tats

In brotherhood the main villain is a magic dwarf that inhabits a clone body of hoenheim and he tries to become god but god says no and Ed and pals kill him
Oh also Ed gives his alchemy to god to get Al back. Mustang goes blind but then gets his eyes back via philosopher stone for free. Happy ending for everyone the end

Found it

Stop being a nigger, it was a part of their whole revelation on the nature of the body, mind and soul.

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Scholar of the first sin.

>Lust was better in 2003
>Gluttony was basically unchanged
>Envy was technically better in 2003 but was also borderline Mary Sue given that he gets away with killing so many major characters and gets no comeuppance
>Greed was basically unchanged but stuck around longer in Brotherhood
>Trisha was superior to Sloth
>Wrath was better in Brotherhood
>Pride was better in Brotherhood
>Father was a better final boss than Dante, who just kind of died offscreen without fighting the Elrics, but both of them are boring as shit

>flip to literally any scene where Ed touches a stone
You know Ed only ever uses a stone once, right?

>dark, emotional, impactful scenes are just "edgy"
Yeah, you're a child who only likes fluffy and safe shit.

>Elrics go to the final area for the big confrontation
>Ed just dies
>Envy leaves
>Dante dies offscreen without doing anything
>Al magics Ed back to life and dies
>Ed magics Al back to life and ends up in Germany
>half of the Homunculi still around
>also shitty Pride and Robo Archer

And that's just the terrible ending. I'm not even going to get into dumb shit like Mustang killing Winry's parents and that going nowhere.

circles can only ever do one chemical reaction, so you need a specific reaction in mind to be able to do that. most fighters in the series that use alchemy in combat other than the ones that have seen the truth do actually do that. see: kimblee, armstrong, scar with his tattoos, and the ice dude.

You forgot
>2003 has better music
>Al has a better voice actor
>the style of the story being narrated like a memoire by Al is way better

>No Mustang and his merry band of misfits spin-off
Suffering

You don't even see most of that shit. So the emotion and impact is dulled hard.

>Rose getting raped offscreen and showing up mute with a rape baby after being absent since the beginning of the series.
>Impactful.

>You know he only touches a stone like once right?

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>2003 has better music
Pretty much just Bratja, Rewrite and Ready Steady Go.
>>Al has a better voice actor
>watching the dub
>>the style of the story being narrated like a memoire by Al is way better
Which doesn't happen that often.

>2003 has better music
Debatable.
youtu.be/SkNjCfMjRXA

I don't mean the openings I mean just in the show 03 has better music
>The dub
The dub is better than the sub, gook Ed is ear grating

Tbqh brotherhood had some great tracks but 03 had better ones overall. Still, I'm impressed that both versions managed to have such a great soundtrack

Never watched FMA. Which version should I go with if I want to get into it?

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people always say this but I always thought that was good because it's by far the least interesting part of the manga

Brotherhood did kinda half ass that part with the lazy directing but everything after that point is so good so who even cares

>2003 has better music
I'd say both have very strong tracks that make it hard to outright say one is better.
youtube.com/watch?v=ULL9TSUfeiw
youtube.com/watch?v=e8FdBaNLC8s
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youtube.com/watch?v=ASWcIZWmXfk

Granted, it does sometimes feel like Brotherhood repeats a lot of the same tracks quite often but that might just be down to me having not seen 2003 in a few years.

Watch the movies, the shows themselves suck

The manga then brotherhood if you want the best bits animated.

The movies suck. Read the manga.

I'd say Brotherhood first. If you're in the mood for more then go ahead with 2003.
2003 follows the manga up until roughly when you're introduced to Greed, from then on it becomes its own thing. Brotherhood follows the manga throughout.

The manga sucks, play the video games

honestly both animated versions are good if you like a little more edge to your anime give 2003 a shot if you like a more whimsical adventure that more closely follows the manga give brotherhood a shot if you enjoy either watch the other both versions are decent but and both have their faults.

03 has a much better starting and middle but a worse end
So I'd say watch 03 right up until they make the philosopher stone and then flip over to brotherhood and watch it all the way through

Then find the page you're referring to.

Age of Empires 2: HD

2003 is blatantly far better. Brotherhood is mostly for "muh manga" autists and people who can't handle characters experiencing fairly realistic stress, loss etc.

Think Cowboy Bebop vs Naruto. That's 2003 vs Brotherhood.

>and people who can't handle characters experiencing fairly realistic stress, loss etc.
You're joking, right?
I mean, you're saying the version where death isn't permanent has more loss?

Oh please the stakes in 03 are basically non existent with most problems coming about from someone's idiocy.

>the naruto spergs come out to play

Both have their strengths and weaknesses over each other and are worth watching, stop being an autismo.

Dude seriously what kind of stakes are there in 03?
List the examples of a tense moment that wasn't caused by someone being an idiot.

Do not do this. 03 changes so much shit before it even reaches the part that it diverges from the manga.

>right up until they make the philosopher stone
Why would anyone even do that?
It goes into permanent filler long before that part.

This is a terrible idea, just watch both all the way through

I'll laugh my ass off if Martin finishes the seroes and it ends almost exactly how the show did. Martin has already said that he isn't changing his story based on peoples complaints about season 7 and 8.

Daily reminder
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That true though?
The only time he touches a stone is is with Envy while they're inside Gluttony. After that he only ever sees Envy's a second time and then at the end here.

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>muh Nazis
>better

You got it the other way around, brainlet.

It's a remake and a sequel. There are hints by some characters that they've seen you before and other lines of dialogue that reference the first game but, not enough that it will detract from the overall experience of playing P2.

Yeah, a backwards flying Phantom and Arby already having the Mark of Shame before he is burned with it sure is better, let's not forget them trading Gravemind's tentacle for a wire when Miranda goes for the Index.