Bottled Talking Points

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fpbp

But what do you say to this shit lmao

Trannies have existed and blended into society since fucking Rome

within 5 years they've become insufferable

Don’t be facetious, also that halo 3 thing is a stretch

>what if i unironically bait posted images from 9fag

People who say this shit are the same people who think the main purpose of dark souls was to be hard which is why dark souls 2 came out.

In other words everything with them must be flat out in your face.

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These posts are missing the point that the politics in the games cited make the game better and enhance their themes. The trannies and women were shoved in and make those game worse and destroy their setting and themes.

If you like onions sauce then fine. You can make recipies where onions sauce really goes well with the rest of the meal. But keep your fucking onions sauce out of my PB&Js.

it's not unironic if it's true

I played with a tranny in tf2 earlier bitch top fragged got 150 kills to my 100, everyone else got less than 70

imagine being blown the fuck out by a trans person in a game of reaction time and problem solving

I would rather have that fag on my team than having to deal with that bullshit

people who devote their entire life to videogames are often mentally ill, who could have guessed

Man beats man, what's the wonder about it?

Game story = natural politics
Libs/sjws/trannys = forced politics
Modern liberalism is a chaotic and destructive force.

Make me a game where the being a tranny and making it through this fucked up society is done well instead of just 'lmao we included it just to be diverse".
I have no problem with trans people, having met a few in real life, they turn out to be pretty cool, I have a problem with people who base their whole identity/ego off their gender, I have a problem with games that include low effort content for the sake of pleasing a group of people that don't play their games.

you're posting on a video game board idiot, the girl or whatever pronoun it chooses to call itself was good

That's why the above 3 are games with political elements up to interpretation compared to modern political games which beat you over the head with what it wants to convey.

there's no shame in that user, some guys are just really good at videogames

man with lower test and fucked up hormones beats man who doesn't play tf2 that often

still she was obviously skilled, more skilled than everyone in the lobby by a fucking longshot

>you're posting on a video game board idiot
The board that is sexually frustrated to the max, the board that has multiple off topic soft porn threads disguised as on topic discussion at any given time, the board that has proven itself to shit on every videogame in existence just to be contrarian and the board that doesn't actually play videogames but rather shit on it.

What? You ditch the eco-terrorist shit pretty early because there's bigger fish to fry in FFVII.

the person was hormonally female though

the first three don't really take sides on those issues (well, other than Fallout saying nuclear war is bad I guess)

Your dad can call you his little slut bitch daughter all he wants while he's fucking your butt, doesn't make you an actual pretty little princess.

>hormonally female
now that's a new one

posting on a video game board, literally devoting a part of his life to a video game board, therefore by your own definition you're mentally ill

I'm not that user, you're talking to the wrong person.

you could tell by the voice homie

The reason people hate "political" games now is because the devs and publishers try to insinuate that consuming the product is somehow good politics and is morally right, and deflect all criticism as coming from their political opponents.

>food analogy
>doesn't know about the filter

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FPBP

Only because sex change operations are in alpha early access now and they think they can actually transition.

cool story bro, the girl had an obviously girl voice, meaning the hormones in her body weren't firing or at a high enough level for it to be masculine

Just keep out garbage politics like leftist shit.
Thats the point. Nobody wants to see commies, faggots, niggers and women in their games.

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Trannies can't change their voice. They can only pretend.
Thas why all trannies have a similar voices like they have a stuffed nose.

>think trannies & gays are gross and simply don't want to encounter them at all, in real life or video games
>try to come up with a "valid" reason to justify your feelings, like complaining about "politics" or "bad writing" even though politics and bad writing never provoked you to react like this before
>be too much of a pussy to just admit you think trannies and fags are gross and that's all there is to it

When did you start believing that your hate had to be justified? Who are you trying to impress?

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It’s all your guys’ fault, just so you know. Why the FUCK did you decide to call SJW-shit “politics” when what you actually mean is “identity politics”? Now people are taking the word literally, and they think we’re against literal politics in games; as in, the interactions within and between governments, which just makes us sound stupid. Stop being lazy and say the full phrase “identity politics”, so people know what we’re actually fucking talking about.

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wrong, the hormones in your body literally effect how it grows and works on every level, the voice was more feminine than any natural man's voice, obviously influenced by hormones

Was her hormone power level high enough to change her Y chromosome to an X? Hope it was over 9000!

those first three games paint pictures of whatever they're about, and they respect the audience enough to let them pick out the themes (though they can be a bit heavy-habded at times).
the fourth one just says "TRANS PRIDE GOOD YAY", doesn't even afford the audience even the most basic bitch dignity of uncovering the obvious.
i don't like playing games that treat me like a retard

At this point, any game that has ANY poltical bullshit swirling around it I just avoid. It hasnt steered me wrong yet as months later I see that the game is either shit or noone cares about it anymore.

Its just a red flag on the creators priorities. Miss me with that shit, I dont care, I wouldnt play chase to discuss how the role of the queen is to stay behind and hte king is the most important piece, I dont care, I want to play the game of chess, it is why I bought a chessboard.

Heres something odd I noticed. The game Kenshi came out a bit back, and it has actual active racism as a feature and slavery in it, not only does it have it its a prominent feature of it andyou the player can play as a slave driver or side with the racists, noone said a thing, its just enjoyed as a game. Its almost like big studios and Wokelet drum up controversy because its free advertising...

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Sounds like some maneuvering bullshit to me

>princes toadstool gives you a long monologue about emancipation, feminism and casually mentions he has a dick

>you slaughter nazis in a game set in a fictional ww2 world

of course people have a problem with one and not both

sure, give me trannies in some dystopian future setting where gender norms are beyond absurd because everyone is half alien, cyborg and animal anyways
I would probably enjoy such game if it was fun

but give me some shooter and go extra lengths to ensure I know some character is gay, trans or has some sick fetish and I will tell you to fuck off
I mean look at that desperate reaching
Fallout is post apocalyptic from a time BEFORE clown world went into overdrive - so of course it depicts the outcome of the world how it was back then
A modern Fallout would have to depict how the rabid leftism led to the destruction of the world and again, if it was fun I would not mind trannies being in the game as the evil that led to the apocalypse
tl;dr: game devs are cunts, the industry is shit, it is about stuff being forced

>it is about stuff being forced
It seems more about your side not being forced

it's no longer a man, it's somewhere inbetween, unless you consider men to have no testosterone and no dick manly

XY chromosome = male of the species
XX chromosome = female of the species

I find it humorous that the same people who would deny this scientific fact will turn around and screech about Christianity existing.

Voice can be surgically altered (laryngoplasty) and it is possible for the hormone therapy to enlarge or shrink the larynx.
The only tranny I know in real life is an FtM whose voice became distinctly masculine after she changed - not like a woman just trying to mimic a man's voice, but her baseline pitch and everything was just lower and masculine.

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okay i get it Yea Forums, so its not political if it dabs on the libtards or doesnt include trannies but if the cover has a female then its political

I can't wait for all the tranny regret articles when they realize they fucked up and are now childless, look even more like middleaged men, and unfulfilled because they fell for a meme

I dont believe you, I know what youre talking about and they still sounds like 12 year old boys are best.

The people who complain about games being way to political is because they are trying to make it all about CURRENT politics. Not ideas. Look at the new Watchdogs Legion game... Yeah. That is clearly NOT all about "Brexit Is Bad. Mkay. Britain is Fascist. Fight Fascism". THAT is the kind of politics people are complaining about. Not games that are about stuff that arent aimed at ANY specific people.

trannies back in rome were twink faggot slaves or twink faggot designated cum dumpsters, they had no way to turn their tiny cocks into fake vaginas and they had no hormone treatments
they were homosexual men or faggots if you must and that was the end of it, they enjoyed taking cock in the ass but none of them tried to convince others they were female.

They kill themselves before they get to that point apparently, nearly half of all trannys die before 40 by suicide. How many OVER 40 trannys have you noted, and I dont mean those that are in their 20s and look like they are in their 40s, noone with the life experience of an older person looks back and says "it was a good choice, cutting my dick off so I could use the womens bathrooms and watch as my friends start families I will never get a chance at now"

Because the ONLY REASON A TRANS CHARACTER WOULD BE INCLUDED IS BECAUSE OF POLITICS.

Those Other games weren't political because those were just parts of their Stories. They weren't virtue signalling. Not even FF7 was Virtue Signaling.

The tech wasnt there dude
And our own technology is on a forward momentum.

ok but the characteristics of that male didn't match typical male characteristics, the only thing identifying it as male was genetics, all of the characteristics pointed towards female, you know the things you can actually measure, like testosterone, voice pitch

FPBP!!!

It becomes blatantly politics when they are talking current day

Its funny how the real answers were posted 5 posts in, and then the thread immediately devolves into shitposting.
Its a combination of companies licking feet for HR points, and the current political and cultural climate. The real problem is when you get games like BFV that try to literally rewrite history and normalize it.

>"hurr durr politics and identity politics are the same thing I'm eating glue hurr durr"
Cringe and cringepilled

ah yes, capitalism and imperialism are purely fictional

Not all trannies are made equal. Mileage varies a lot.
The worst part is that she was hot. Just also mentally fucked up and depressed and thought transitioning would fix her problems.

Got her tits cut off and voice changed and presumably is taking hormones, and now lives as a twinky-looking manlet. Actually, ever seen that webm with the two fags playing video games on a bed and they start play-wrestling and talking about boners? She sorta looks like the blonde fag in that video, but with different hair color.

Trannies are and never were real. They're people with brain problems that should be getting therapy and drugs, not having their deluded fantasies appealed to.

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The more convincing this technology makes them. The more hated their community will be. You do realize that right?

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>relentless individualism
>unchecked capitalism
Can it be any more obvious this image was made by a Redditor?

Them being bad is purely fictional. Our world would be better off if the British Empire never imploded.

No one is forcing anything upon you by adding in a minor option in the character creator that you'll see for a minute at most, you dumb underage /pol/nigger.

>be programmer
>have 2 friends already calling themselves trans and one is getting the estrogen pills and planning a trip to brazil to get his dick chopped
>tried talking to them about it but they called me a bigot and said this is something they need
Feels really fucking bad. They were some of the best programmers I knew too. Now they're going to spend their time doing tranny shit

Fringe groups from either political group spend all their free time searching things that might offend them, then they get offended and broadcast themselves being offended. It doesn't matter if it's /pol/tards or trannies, it's always the same bullshit from the same obnoxious faggots.
I don't care if there are women or fags in my videogames, the most upset reaction I could show is rolling my eyes. I also don't care if some fictional character is being transphobic or disregards women and not being portrayed as literally Hitler.

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Interesting thing I read the other about ftm still into guys
Gay men are much more likely to react very badly to finding out what they thought was a guy is a girl, than if a straight guy found out what they thought was a girl was a guy.

Almost like exploring a concept is respectable and interesting whereas naked unnuanced moralizing at the player is just nagging and annoying. Also even stupid philosophies like objectivism have more merit and make more interesting topics for discussion than statistical irrelevances crying about not getting attention/getting the wrong attention.

This.

>Anti-SJWs
>Fringe
lmao

can we stop being so cowardly and intellectually dishonest about these old games we cherish so much? they were political as fuck, and they carried the political ideas of the people behind them, just like current videogames are.
BUT, some beliefs are simply, superior and better than others and game makers were more subtle and sensible when trying to convey those messages. always trying to force reflection and discussion but NOT beliefs; instead of telling you this is bad/this is right, games offered you different points of view while giving space for debate.
THATS the problem with current games being political, they give no room to discussion, they blatantly push some beliefs over you and tell you what you should think. if we were to simply remove everything political about games then all these older games we hold dear would be stripped from fundamental parts of their narrative and story

Fallout has always come off to me as being anti technology

What age are they roughly, and does their personality elicit certain behaviors like depression or giddyness. By that I mean, they act like they are younger than they are.

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tranny shit, like beating your ass in tf2

Bottom isn't true. I've never seen a japanese game be accused of political grandstanding for having a trans character. Politics appearing in the story or the game naturally being influenced by the developer's politics isn't a problem. Its when the games are used as a political tool.

>What the fuck do you even say to these kinds of posts?
"Good point, I see what a complete pillock I've been"

You have to go back to /ptg/.

Of course its fringe
The average person doesnt make this into their identity.

>I've never seen a japanese game be accused of political grandstanding for having a trans character.
You'll probably start to in a few years

First 4 days of bad reviews are the SJWs trying to review bomb. The 2 days after that are Anti-SJWs

We don't make it into being an identity. We just oppose everything the SJWs do to advance their agenda.

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>can we stop being so cowardly and intellectually dishonest
dude. this is Yea Forums lmao

The thing is, when a game is blatantly political to a degree where it is intrinsic to the narrative, that's fine because you know what you are getting into from the get-go. But when a game is seemingly about something else entirely than trans-rights and other contemporary social (non-)issues and then begins throwing that shit in your face, don't you think some aversion is only natural?

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>doesn't have onion ketchup
its good shit nigga I recommend it

If people cannot distinguish the difference of the game establishing a setting , conflicts, motivatations or just a cool world for shit to happen for the sake of the game itself which may or may not reflect real life politics and the developer specifically trying to shoehorn a real life political agenda, then I guess we just need to accept it's all the same shit.

Pro-tip: It isn't.

>literally has politics in the name
>not politics
so this is desperation of incels at work... woah...

>I define myself as being the opposite of somebody
Literally antifa-tier.

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They're both in their early 20's, I don't notice mood swings but they've gotten depressed a few times. For one of them it started with him being really into anime, namely the cute girl thing when he started using it as his profile pic for everything. Then a bunch of trannies started following him on social media and basically baited him into it by telling him he has gender dysphoria and is actually a cute girl inside (this is the one getting his dick chopped next month). This shit is a cult.

That's not how I define myself, though. I just oppose everything they want because everything they want is insane. I'm also anti-ISIS, but I don't base my life around it.

This. I'd like to say I'd enjoy a game about transhumanism and transsexual topics if it has an interesting atmosphere, setting, and actively keeps a middle stance showing opposing viewpoints. But in the current political climate, I can't see that happening. It'll be a one sided puff piece filled to the brim with virtue signaling for the sake of not gaining the ire of anyone the developers/publishers might offend. Developers kowtow to invalid consumers all the time these days and get nothing to show for it in terms of financial profit.

>I don't base my life around being anti-ISIS
>but I DO base my life around a faceless boogeyman someone else created

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You seem pretty invested on defending this faceless boogeyman. Perhaps, maybe, you're part of it?

OP just got fucked up the arse so hard, kek FPBP

>defending this faceless boogeyman
Are you actually retarded? It's your boogeyman, not mine. And calling you out doesn't mean I defend the other fringe group, something you might've had already deducted from my first post if you weren't such a low-IQ nigger.

Ive been kindof watching this shit for some years now, chiefly what actually makes a tranny, like, what gets them into thinking they should do it and it really does seem like something you are talked into by others
>you have problems?
>I know the soloution, you are down because you are actually X, life has dealt you a bad hand, if you get a sex change your life will improve
They dont tell you that your problems will be different, they tell you your life will be better if you do this. It is blatantly false and assumes that the opposite gender of what you are has things easier, when it is more a matter of they have things different, one problem replaces another it does not get rid of it.

This is the thing that seems to be the most prevailant, and whats sad is that institutions now give the ok with it, if someone is feeling cute they can just sign a waver that gives them a sex change. There is no psychological or physical analysis that says that the person is of sound mind or even needs it. Absolutely nothing is solved through a sex change, you feel like a woman, that does not mean you are a woman, it means you are feminine, there is nothing wrong with this. It is not worth going through the rest of your life monitoring the upkeep of keeping your new gender.

Theres a reason they look like meth addicts in their 20s, it is not good for you to do this, both mentally and physically, the meds are changing your hormones, they are making your hair fall out and flesh allocate to places it biologically isnt suppose to, that is not a button press process. I genuinely feel bad for these people because they dont get the help they actually need, they think this is their fix, and are convinced of it by others who in years time will have the regret they all seem to take.

Name 3 games that force political views upon you instead of just making a 10-second exposition.

Please kill yourself

Bioshock was actually based because it showed some faggot conman offering socialism to the people Rapture so that he could plunge it into chaos and then steal what he did not make. how can people think otherwise? it's so obvious and yet you have retarded leftists saying it was a game made to favor their way of thinking. also it is completely fictitious just like the stories of the other 2 games below it.

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Bioshock Infinite had a hamfisted racism moment with little to no purpose being in the game with questionable execution.

There's literally no downside in being rascist in that scene. You can get the reward either way.

Please play the game before acting like a dumb frogposting faggot.

I just boiled the whole thing down to having a cross dressing fetish and wanting to be the cute things you see. That alone isn't enough but when you have half a dozen people (who call themselves your new friends) reinforcing transitioning and encouraging you to do it, you end up becoming a tranny. You take after the people you surround yourself with. If all of your friends were playing a particular game, or watching a particular show, you too would feel compelled to follow their example. You wouldn't actually want to watch the show or play the game if left on your own, but you're convinced that because the other people in your tribe do it and claim to enjoy it that it's something you would enjoy to. Even if it's complete shit, but at that point you've already done it. Now substitute this to the ever-growing tranny epidemic and you got yourself a cause.

>A meritocracy
>Socialism

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It is, though. Settings aren't spun out of the ether. It's all made up by a writer. And their choice of setting and the politics it reflects is reflective of his own stances and biases.

Allegory, philosophy and the exploring of ideas as a means to enrich a setting/narrative >>>> real world politicking and pandering as a means to tell everyone what side you're on

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It's the difference between a novel (even if it's bad) and a leaflet or one of those stickers retards put on traffic light buttons and signposts near universities.

Just because you use nice words for one and not the other that doesn't mean they're not fundamentally the same. What "enriches a narrative" is your subjective opinion.

Your first mistake is assuming that anyone who cares about politics is arguing in good faith. They're not

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Maybe this will help break it down for you
>good
A game about exploring the ruins of a failed utopia inspired by objectivist ideals, which explores the failures of relentless individualism and unrestrained scientific growth

>bad
OUR GAME HAS A BADASS TRANS GIRL IN IT AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT YOU CAN FUCK OFF BECAUSE GAMERS ARE DEAD

Don't bother arguing it. The people who make images like that aren't interested in any form of discussion and just want to jerk off over some sock puppet display of people who only exist within their own heads.

What's the problem with diversity just for the sake of it? I always see this "if you are going to have a trans character have it make sense" argument, but I don't think even the people that say it know what that would mean.

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you don't have to engage with people if you don't want to

Just curious, what do you even play? pretty much every game except pong, tetris, or something like that which is 100% "game" can have no politics.

>Good
>OBJECTIVISM BAD, AYN RAND SUCKS, EAT A DICK LIBERTARDIANS

>Bad
>A game with a variety of characters from all walks of life which explores the struggles certain minorities face, or, alternatively, what a more tolerant society might look like

>showing MonroeShow next to Boogie1488

APOLOGIZE

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UHHH TETRIS IS ACTUALLY RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA AND MOST PONG GAMES USE WHITE BARS AND WHITE BALLS MEANING THAT THE CREATORS WERE RACIST!

Hey fags, BioShock 2 says that communism and feminism dont work and are worse than Objectivism.

You know, if you want to play this facetious game

Fuck ton of a difference between Fallout and Wolfenstein TNC which says “if you’re right of Stalin, you need to die you fucking nazi, this is what we want to do to you”

We'll be seeing alot less of this, Gillette just got wrote off as a massive failure about a week ago.
Get woke go broke isn't as "false" as people were led to believe.

It's an inaccurate phrase, it's less getting woke and more pretending to get woke for money and missing the mark

How does it feel to be on the losing side of the cultural war /pol/?
You can leave this board alone now. I'm tired of seeing 5 threads a day crying about trannies.

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>cultural war
oh im laffin. its a handful of literally mentally ill freaks spamming their retarded delusions online and demanding everyone caters to them. delusional and cringepilled

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It's because exploring tolerance and -isms is such a fucking pedestrian topic, you can just TELL it was written by and for young, sheltered, white American girls
>guys what if the government was mean to black people :(
>i sympathize with this other nice multi-ethnic group because im a good person :)
It's so fucking small dude.

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Don't acknowledge them, their messy death roll is slowly coming to its end

Just sit back and watch them squirm in their impotent rage, until they fizzle out

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Could you please link me to some of these games in which " variety of characters from all walks of life explore the struggles certain minorities face, or, alternatively, what a more tolerant society might look like"?
Not him but genuinely curious since I feel that most characters fitting into that mold fall extremely flat in games, possibly explaining why Yea Forums hates them so much.

At MOST it just says "actual literal cartoonishly evil Nazis are okay to kill"

>Game is fun and doesn't shove the message into your face, plot is a device for the level design and gameplay
"Wow this is pretty good"
>Gameplay is serviceable at best and tries it's best to shove a message in your face every 3 seconds ala Wolfenstein TNC
"Hmmm, this is pretty shitty"
Yeah, I'm thinking trannies are cut dick freaks

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there's a biiiiig difference between fictional politics and real-world politics

a game who's political backdrop is based on real-world universal concepts is not inflammatory because while its origins are similar to reality, the result most certainly is not

while just slapping a tranny in your game to be "progressive" is cheap and tacky, hence why people don't like it

This. They just reiterate the same fucking boring ass points over and over again, all of which come pre-beaten to death because they're ripped from yesterday's headlines.
You never heard any of this shit about trannies 3 years ago, but now that they're in the news they're now the woke political subject you have to have in your games
It is so fucking tiresome, at least Bioshock tried to break some new ground

You're not even wrong
Industry standards make AAA companies create games designed to reliably bring in money, meaning they don't prioritize making anything to add to the genre that college aged loser idealogues and old cat ladies have essentially taken over, and that winds up setting a precedent in the eyes of consumers
It's really unfortunate, I think a game properly designed to explore a minority issue while still being engaging as a GAME could be fine and dandy

Oh, is that where we're going to put the goalposts now? You know the characters, but they're not done as well as you would like (and of course they never will be), hence it doesn't count?

I can just say I think Bioshock is shit then and therefore its politics are shit.

It's literally impossible to have anything but a straight male character in a game, because retards are always going to say that anything else is "forced diversity" or "pandering".
These fucking faggots are so stupid that the don't even realize that maintaining the status quo is also a political statement.

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>there's a biiiiig difference between fictional politics and real-world politics
There actually isn't and Yea Forums tacitly admits this every time they complain that the Nazis from Wolfenstein allegedly represent them.

If you're not going to answer him then I'll ask the same question. Mostly because I want to know if this shitshow produced something of value, no matter how small

op btfo

I did answer him, and I'll tell you the same.

>Have main character be straight white male
>Character is flawed individual who may do bad or terrible things
>SJW's bitch about the character not being X minority but ultimately it's low profile

vs

>Have main character be woman/black/gay/transexual
>Character is flawed individual who may do bad or terrible things
>SJW's go into extreme high profile bitching mode that it portrays X minority in a bad light

Like I said I was just curious since I'm out of the loop playing strategy games. I mostly had the lady from Gears of War 3(?) in mind who rampantly defies orders and everyone is just ok with it, whereas the whole series started off with main character being jailed for insubordination. Her character seemed to ignore the rules set in game world and just go "I act like bulky angry man, I'm strong". Your mileage may wary but in my opinion that's just discarding the established lore to add a character to the game whose sole point is to show a "strong" woman character, coming off both obnoxious and alienating.

Im currently playing Kenshi, Remnant and EDF 5. Point to me the political articles and people talking about the gender of X characters etc. instead of the actual game.

No, I genuinely want to know

Plenty of games have likeable female MCs that people don't call forced diversity, it's just the clunky depiction of political stances that annoy them

All these people are right, but if you're tired of arguing you could just stop giving a shit when a game has a trans person in.it.

i really wanna punch the everliving shit out of whoever made this picture

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literally just this, and dare i say, fpbp

>From each according to their ability is not meritocracy

Stop lying, you lying faggot. Picture related, have fun with """"roleplaying"""" a character that doesn't fit in someone's political worldview.

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I highly doubt a game like Kenshi is widely known to create enough buzz but it's like you said, it seems like everyone is just trying to be offended and counter-offended by everything.
You could always just ignore fake twitter outrage and even if a game's a bit on the nose you could just ignore it. Take a breath and carry on.

And to reiterate since you seemed to miss my point: I am not looking to shoot you down or define the "good" female/minority characters/games for you. I am merely looking for games that might fit that criteria. Since you seemed to have well-defined vocabulary pertaining to the subject and this is a board for video games after all, l decided to ask you.

Just refute them bro

Basically any game that has Yea Forums bitching about shoehorned "forced diversity"

Ff7
A game where you're trying to kill Shinra corp. A corporation founded and controlled by the descendants of a desert tribe shunned by everyone.
What did ff7 mean by that?

For getting you so assblasted? Yeah, I'd be mad too. :)

Instead of being offended like a little bitch you could just ignore it.

All the games I don't like

My god, it's like pulling teeth out of a retarded hippo. Examples. I want examples

Terry was one of the only instances where said access was actually a good thing

Sure, why not Mafia 3. Or Wolfenstein II. These are games to which the political and sociological backdrop is quite important and definitely contributes to the worldbuilding.

Which he interprets as right of Stalin.

You could do the same on forums snd imageboards yourself, faggot.

Which is delusional.

>Wolfenstein II
I've played the first one and it was grindhouse tier schlock where everyone was a walking talking stereotype, right down to the world itself. I can't see the sequel being much better in that regard

When people say keep politics out of video games, they mean stop ruining the writing by interjecting your own political opinions in it. Seriously, fucking stop it. People play video games to have fun and experience stories, not to be preached at.

People love classic Fallout games because the writing explores many kinds of ideas from many different points of view, and you the player are let to make your own conclusions. At no point are you being told what to think. Even if some character comes and tells you that you're a bad person for not doing things their way; you can still disagree with them. Imagine if the dialogue was something like this:
>Ghoulnald Trunk:
>Rarrr! I hate all who don't look like me! Build a nuclear fence! Rarrr urrggh! I hate everyone! Nuke the smoothskins! Make atoms split again!

>Player:
>a) Hashtag transrights, motherfucker
>b) I disagree
>c) I don't agree with you
>d) I agree (sarcasm)
Sure it would get some people clap their hands for that epic political takedown, but most of the players will cringe and think someone in the writing team should be writing blogs instead of video game stories.

Stop moving the goalposts, you liar.

Pack up the thread guys, we’re done here.

Doesn't matter. Bioshock is incredibly heavy-handed as well but that's held up as an example of a game "doing it right" because the politics are integrated into the worldbuilding. Well, so is a game about Nazis conquering America being opposed by a coalition of anti-fascists.

Are you fucking stupid? It's impossible to have non-white non-male characters because the people rallying for "diversity" and "acceptance" are never EVER happy. You can never ever please them because nothing will ever be good enough. You can make male character the most obnoxious shitbag in the world and no one cares. Now make the male character black and suddenly you're "enforcing racial stereotypes". Turn him into a woman and suddenly it's "misogynist strawman".

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Maybe people like games like BioShock and Fallout over those 'political' games because
>racism is bad
>nazis are bad
are completely one-note and pedestrian ideas to explore? The kind of ideas that people only think are a good idea when they have a market to pander to, hm?

because they add trans characters to ww2 games and black women soldiers when they realistically make up like .00000001% of the demographic they are trying to display. then when they are asked why they included it they just try to rewrite history or cherry pick. then when they make their game for the final release it turns out all their characters have very modern ideas instead of ideas that were prevalent at the time. diversity for diversity sake is whatever but modernizing the past is omega gay.

>the populous

prove that something is forced

name 1 example

critical is the single most retarded youtuber out there and his opinions should be disregarded

Unlike you I'm not butthurt.

All of these concepts are way more interesting than trans people.

See, the problem with BF is that it was claiming historical accuracy whilest at the same time having women with bionic arms wielding samurai swords fighting for the allies. They went so far as to take an actual operation in WW2 and just swap the gender of the allies for women, like, the events happened, they are not representing women in history here, they are scrubbing out the men that actually existed and did those things. That aint right, dont do that, just tell it how it is, why didnt they just tell the russian sniper story or the french resistance, why did they take something real and just swap the genders. They couldve gotten away with all this if they said it was alt history, but they didnt, they doubled down on it being 1 to 1 accurate and it was laughable.

I am still salty that this franchise chose to die on that hill, for fuck sake it was becoming as popular as CoD and then pulled all this political righteousness shite.

You seem to be getting quite a few steps ahead of yourself. Are you sure the issue isn't the particular market they are perceived to be pandering to?

>I have to be going now

That's called tokenism, and it's also racist and sexist. You wouldn't have minority characters in your game, you would only have them as decoration. You would end up with games full of characters who have nothing else to add to the table except their skin color or sexuality. Maybe that will work if the game is a dating sim, but what in the fuck would that achieve in 99% games? If the game is about space muhreens killig aliens, at what point would their sexuality come up? If the game doesn't include any relationships, how would you know that one of them is gay? Hell even if the whole squad of marines were gay, you wouldn't know about it because the game is not about rainbow flag waving, but killing aliens.

Heavy handed, yes. But it had real things to say about how self defeating objectivism is. Because of how Rapture is run it's quickly overrun with degenerates and outcasts who can't hack it on the surface. Then it starts falling to pieces because the system can't handle bad actors. Then it goes straight to hell because lolbertarianism means you can shoot yourself up with highly addictive and unregulated drugs. It's not just a backdrop to shoot at zombie rejects, it clearly shows that from the beginning the whole project was fucked.
Meanwhile Wolfenstein is fully cartoonish. The nazis gain superpowers and become the world spanning empire they wish they were. Then you shoot them all to death with a pair of plasma rifles. Oh and Naziland collapses because they made everything out of crappy concrete, and not because of the inherit issues with the ideology. I can't even remember if any country exists in any fashion outside of Germany, as if the rest of the planet just died off.
Not that I mind Wolfenstein, it's a cool game. But if you're saying they're both equivalent because they're both political in your mind, then that term has no meaning

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We don't care about your lubed butthole.

>MUH EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL
When people call a game "political" they mean to say it's a commentary on current politics. What did FF7 and Bioshock and Fallout say about modern politics?

Look at the other dialogue options. Even a
>I don't care
would be an acceptable addition to balance out the dialogue so you could actually roleplay a character.

Someone could make a game where for 1 frame it flashes two men kissing and you people will call it "forcing politics down everyone's throats".

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>tech
>chopping a dick is tech.
That's madness, dude.

And I don't care if you spend all your time thinking about lubed assholes, it's not like you underdeveloped troglodytes are any better than SJWs.

If you can tell which party the devs are voting for in real life, it feels forced. For example, MGS is political, but which party would Kojima vote for in real life? I don't know, the ideas in his games are detached from modern life. Only coherent statement is the anti-nuke one, but that's pretty normal for a country that was nuked.

>he says while posting anime reaction pic
Way to prove yourself wrong, nobody calls fujo homo games political.

Bioshock shows the follies of objectivism by dropping you into a nightmarish hellscape that's the result of super-powered objectivists let loose. Wolfenstein shows the follies of Nazism by dropping you into a nightmarish hellscape that's the result of super-powered Nazis let loose.

Because nobody wants that shit and nobody likes it. They either not speak out, get banned or delude themselves into thinking its ok since thats what the jewbox said.

I wouldn't mind even if the commentary was on current politics if it was well written, which it rarely is under the current political climate. Late night talk show tier ePiC oWnAgEs against villain based on Trump is very shallow writing.

>Fallout
>Anti-capitalism and imperialism
If I remember right, the US goes hardcore isolationist until the Commie niggers attack and then the US annexes Canada because they refuse to let the US move its troops to Alaska through Canada. Sounds like a regular anti-war thing but communism is the genuine greater problem in the Fallout universe that lead to the great war. Unless the retcon is Aliens now.

Because ignoring things ever helped.
I bet you also actively ignored being bullied in school, faggot.

You're the one who brought up butts and holes you lying retard. Stop moving goalposts, stop lying.

>What did FF7 and Bioshock and Fallout say about modern politics?
Ecoterrorism might be justified in some cases.
Unhinged libertarianism is prone to corruption and leads to a degenerate society.
Society is doomed to repeat its errors.

ok retard

Can disagree with the politics shown in Bioshock without anyone trying to deplatform you: Yes
Can disagree with the politics shown in Fallout without anyone trying to deplatform you: Yes
Can disagree with the politics shown in FF7 wihout anyone trying to deplatform you: Yes
Can disagr- OH MY GOD DID YOU JUST MISGENDER THAT ROBOT??!! BAN!

>force something out of nowhere
What does that even mean?
List five specific examples and explain in detail why they're bad.

so inserting your own beliefs into something is forced? Secondly you would have to prove that this inserted belief is simply not a character. If I write a story that features a leftwing pedo as protag and viewpoint who goes on about white supremacy is that my agenda or the character's?

>purely fictional
u fookin wot
Are you saying Bioshock/Fallout/FFVII don't at all commentate on the real world? That is insanely wrong.

>Stop moving goalposts, stop lying
Is this the new memephrase you have to use to avoid inflection and reasoning?
"Butthurt" has been in use on Yea Forums for longer than you're alive. Are you mentally challenged?
>that projection

Do they? Do you have an argument or is this it?

Can you actually answer my points instead of trying to act witty? I already outlined the differences between the two games.
Wolfenstein says nothing meaningful about Nazis, they rise because of superpowers and fall because their superpowers stop working. It says nothing about how the regime works and does not use the story to make points about the objective flaws of fascism. You could replace them with aliens and the story wouldn't change much

Its not "political" games that people dont like, its partisan shit that paints entire political positions bad to push their own

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When people say "political" they mean "relevant to modern politics." In actuality, everything is political. It doesn't feel that way to you until someone challenges your views.

>Trannies think having free cosmetic surgery is anywhere near as important as themes like imperialism, oligarchy, or self restraint.
You're not even people, know your place.

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Could you at least try to form a serious argument without having to rely on childish cop outs?

>inserting your own beliefs into something is forced
Yes. Good art doesn't provide answers, it explores questions and the answers are found by the reader/viewer/player himself along the way. If you're inserting your own belief and leave no room for the opinion of the viewer, it always feels forced.

It's all worthless poorly written trash that exists to make the points it makes look ridiculous. It will be a very, very dark day when these fucking locusts move onto the stuff I care about and start agreeing with me

You are contradicting yourself left and right. Stop lying, stop moving goalposts. Read your posts, then read the responses.

Why not? Nobody who cares about politics is going to be straight with you. They're all disingenuous snakes, there is no "serious argument" to have

>I already outlined the differences between the two games.
And I outlined the similarities. The "differences" are the results of you looking at them selectively. Wolfenstein says enough about how the Nazi regime works in that world conquest and the following oppression and cruelty is an inherent part of the ideology, superpowers or not. The fact that they're cartoon villains is the objective flaw of fascism, basically. And you could replace them with aliens and they'd be fascist aliens and it'd make the same point.

>Ecoterrorism might be justified in some cases.
>Unhinged libertarianism is prone to corruption and leads to a degenerate society.
>Society is doomed to repeat its errors.
Okay how is that relevant to modern world? Now that I know that ecoterrorism is bad, who do I vote for? Now that I was told that society is doomed to repeat its mistakes, do I vote for the blue guys or the red guys? See it doesn't feel like propaganda because it doesn't tell you how to act in real life politics.

Stop lying, stop moving goalposts. You can start with providing proof where I lied and where I moved which goalposts.

Even people who aren't straight with you concerning politics don't want to appear childlike in behaviour, unlike you.

that's just a stupid opinion that implies you can only explore beliefs in a non biased way which is not true. You can simply disagree with the answers provided or get your horizons challenged.

>all politics is Ameritard binary
>if it doesn't hold your hand the entire time then it doesn't count

Based

I have yet to see a game which tells you to act in real life politics. Fallout even has one joke about being evil for voting Republican.

Doxx the users on r/gamingcirclejerk and systematically hunt every one of them down.

That is the cesspit that is propogating this nonsense

MtFs have to put on a voice. If your voice has already changed, taking estrogen isn’t going to make it more womanly

FtMs have a physical voice change because testosterone is a hell of a drug

i dont care if it is political or not, its fuckn disgusting and has no place in video games.

>any philosophical work is not good because the author writes about things he believes in in a positive manner

>so inserting your own beliefs into something is forced?

Yes, especially if it sticks out like a sore thumb. It would be okay if it's well written, but it sometimes is not when the writer is overly emotional and forgets that writing has to be comprehensible in order to make sense to anyone. Many games are linear and have very focused narrative, but it's okay if the writing is good, and not just someone's hot takes ripped directly from their blog and being preached at you.

Fallout is definitely anti-conservative. FF7 is pro-environmentalism. You've got two parties in America. Which of them aligns most closely to those values?

Argument for fucking what? You dismissed my post because I posted an anime picture, are you an actual retard?

You're naive or underaged if you believe that art is only about questioning in a neutral way. A book or a movie can and will always be biased. You could portray a medieval battle as a senseless bloodbath with crows eating the eyes of the diseased dead or you could portray the same battle as a glorious victory without even painting a single drop of blood. Objectivity in art is like a photograph with the most realistic filters, it's boring and not challenging for the viewer.

>you can only explore beliefs in a non biased way which is not true
You can explore them any way you want but if you provide a rigid worldview that doesn't create an opportunity for the audience to insert their beliefs, it will feel forced. I'm not a child, I will not sit and listen to some guy lecturing me in his movie/game/book. Create enough space in your story for me to retain my beliefs or it will feel forced.

Provide an example of a game where the politics feels forced in.

So the central theme of Wolfenstein is that the Nazis are cruel and cruelty is bad? That's nice and all, but it's not exactly earth shattering. You could make actual, real points about the endless infighting and jockeying between positions the Nazis had, the SS acting as a state within a state had their ideas panned out, the overstretched german army trying to keep a lid on all their territories that unconditionally hate their guts and bleeding germany dry trying to keep them, there are real, interesting ideas to explore. The actual flaws and logical conclusions of fascism without just putting a concentration camp in utah or something. To call cruelty=bad something on the level of Bioshock with real, nuanced reasons why things went as horribly as they did is incredibly misleading. They're similar if you're looking at them on the most surface level manner possible

You post seems to contradict itself.

I do. All trannys should be shot for their own good and the sake of western civilization. Human rights are a mistake

You said
>No one is forcing anything upon you by adding in a minor option in the character creator that you'll see for a minute at most
In which you got a response with a screenshot from a game with woresened writing quality for the sake of diversity that directly affects to gameplay in a role playing game, proving you being wrong and lying. After that you started calling names because you were outed as the liar you are. Stop lying, stop backpedaling, stop gaslighting.

The issue is entirely subjective and to some point it's also subjective what is and isn't well written.

>You dismissed my post because I posted an anime picture
Can you read? I didn't dismiss your post, I used anime as an example to contradict your post. Why are you so confused?

>Create enough space in your story for me to retain my beliefs or it will feel forced.
This is an odd thing to say. What do you mean by this? Does a story challenging your beliefs leave no room for you to insert your own? Do your own beliefs need to be accounted for? Why? How do you even judge this?

These pictures are just contrarian shitpostersnmisframing the arguments for (you) right? No one is actually retarded enough to think pushing an agenda in your videogames is the same as having an evil king or something. But the best part is the more this shit gets spammed the more there will be people who ACTUALLY use this as an argument, making those people look like retards. Godspeed shitposters

unga bunga message i dont like is POLITICS
POLITICS BAD

>she

It doesn't unless you think that cracking a joke in Fallout 2 of all games had any impact on voting a political party. It was what it was, a joke. You might even think it was meant in an ironic way.

Based.

>the overstretched german army trying to keep a lid on all their territories that unconditionally hate their guts and bleeding germany dry trying to keep them
I mean, there's definitely something of that there

There's also an exploration of the ideologies of the resistance movements and how one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. You're just looking at one of them on a surface level.

>Create enough space in your story for me to retain my beliefs
Why? You want a safe space because you can't handle the fact that your beliefs might be wrong? Cry more.

>or you could portray the same battle as a glorious victory without even painting a single drop of blood
And that will feel forced. You know those paintings where Napoleon looks like fucking Jesus Christ? They feel forced don't they. They're basically propaganda. As for depicting war as a bloodbath, look user I'm not talking about complete objectivity here, objective enough is good enough for me. War is a bloodbath but Napoleon doesn't look like pic related

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so you want art to pander to you by making you able to insert your own beliefs. Sounds to me you are very much a child

It's simple:
Anything that owns the liberals = non-political
Anything that owns the conservatives = political

Based.

>Fuck off back to R3ddit you stupid niggerfaggot poltard.

>Does a story challenging your beliefs leave no room for you to insert your own? Do your own beliefs need to be accounted for? Why? How do you even judge this?
What do you mean why? Because I'm not a child and if you're saying things in your film/game that I disagree with and you're saying them as if they're facts rather than opinions, I'm tuning out of your film/game. You're losing me. I'm not interested in what you have to say anymore because we're not on the same page. If you're providing me with enough wiggle room to argue with you, we can stay on the same page.

name 1 game that "owns the libs"

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I have to disappoint you, my first post was . Beamdog inserting trannies into BG was shitty as they had no business doing it. I fail to see where two lines if text worsened the overall writing quality unless, you know, you can't resist to act like a buttblasted bitch.

And now now stop lying, stop moving goalposts and start dilating you underaged /pol/yp, your braindead opinion isn't the gold standard for objective truth.

Ignore them. We have a massive amount of people right now that have no life experience whatsoever trying to comment on how the world can or should work. These people have no jobs, no friends and no love. It applies to both sides. In general if someone is operating on the fringe, the marketplace of ideas is responsible for ostracizing them into oblivion and in the modern world that means ignore it completely.

Demanding representation in everything is detrimental to free expression. Flipping out over anything that isn't white is detrimental to a free society. Neither is even debatable, both have been proven time and time again through the ages.

The true way forward is to worry first and foremost about your wellbeing. Since we mostly have that covered our next obligation is to society, which means supporting that which is best for the highest number or least harmful. Trans should do what they like because it doesn't harm the rest of us. Supremacy of any kind should be squashed immediately, whether that is promoting diversity over merit or skin color over everything. Everyone vocal is fucking insane anymore. Ignore them.

Absolute faggot that doesn't understand English. Unironically Kys you brainlet.

Who are you quoting.

>Why?
Because if you're telling me that red is blue I don't want to hear your next sentence. Why is this hard for you to comprehend?

Humans are not objective, it just isn't possible. What you're feeling is the piece of media challenging your worldview.

Fuck niggers
Fuck trannies
Fuck poltards

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There's a difference between not understanding something and just disagreeing.

You didn't really contradict anything, people on this board hate anything gay, even fujoshit. Absolutely nothing pleases the people who cry over a singular mention of a gay person. You'll have an irrelevant side character who mentions they have a boyfriend or is trans and the game is "shoving politics down our throats". The game could have a main character who's gay but it's just from some fuckoff audio log in some corner of the game and people will say they're ruined cause they're a fag. The devs are then automatically labelled leftist crazies by everyone on this board. Nothing is good enough, you people hate even the slightest mention of something that you've convinced yourself is terrible.

>challenging your worldview
Why do I need to repeat myself? Does this painting challenge your worldview? Or does it just feel like dishonest propaganda that treats you like an idiot?

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You weren't talking about facts, you were talking about beliefs. Your problem is that you think your worldview is objective fact and throw a temper tantrum when someone suggests you're wrong.

>I mean, there's definitely something of that there
No there isn't. It makes no meaningful difference to the plot. They're fucked because the magic wore off on their magical concrete, and not because world conquest is harder than you'd think, and has broken the back of empires more times than anyone can count.
>There's also an exploration of the ideologies of the resistance movements
What fucking exploration? I remember an ex nazi, a brit an american and a tard, all of which work together without any real friction. And you say that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, but I can't even remember BJ doing anything morally ambiguous to anyone who's not a nazi

>people on this board hate anything gay, even fujoshit
That literally never happened. Nobody has ever been outraged about fujo content anywhere on 4channel.org

Amen to that brother.

>Top game are good
>bottom games are shit
Could this be the answer?

How would you know it is propaganda? Could it be that you're just looking at it in a subjective manner because you know he wasn't a saint? Good art also plays with your perspective or with your reality. Objectivity is like a photograph as I have to repeat myself.

Someone made a claim, I proved them wrong, then you decided to go start flinging insults instead of making arguments, and now you're revealing that all this time you were just pretending to be retarded
>x makes a claim
>y proves them wrong
>enter z (you) acting like a retard
>y calls z retard
>z goes "lmao who cares lmao whatever bruh lmao lol it's just a video game bro lmao chill out man lol"

I guess my problem is you assuming that the game/movie/media leaves no room for you to bring your own viewpoints to the table, which is pretty damn hard to do, since the only way I could see that really happening is if the game explicitly tells you that if you don't share its political leanings then you should just turn it off now. Have you encountered something like that? If not, how else would you judge this? Because i've played some pretty fucking liberal games but I've never felt that they completely snuff out any sort of counter-argument to the message that they're trying to convey.
Also, it's important to note that a piece of media has no obligation to appeal to or accommodate your personal opinions.

Yes user I used this example to make it more obvious to you. If that bothers you so much, let me use a different one: imagine you're an atheist and you're forced to sit through a movie that is literal unironic christian propaganda that treats bible as fact. Will that movie feel like it's challenging your worldview or will it just feel fucking stupid?

nu wolfenstein

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>Pretending Trannies are the good guys.
Their entire ideology is to scream and growl and hiss and cry and make threats. If someone even fucking dares to question or challenge you then suddenly its crying or growling or screaming or hissing about "___ fragility".
Nobody wants to hear about you because you're fucking unlikable, nobody wants to pay for your fucking cosmetic surgery, and nobody sure as shit wants to be around you. You're objectively unlikable, and the only reason anyone even tolerates your fucking existence is because you somehow manage to play the victim card while attacking people in a 7-11 with a wood axe or jumping manlets on the street.
The government had to make laws to protect you you're so fucking garbage as people. Seriously, just disappear.

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Because it feels like one. user we'll never reach objective truth while speaking about art. But if your painting feels like propaganda, that's a solid reason to dislike it in my book.

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Looks like epic kino ludity to me, pal.

I've got this prediction that the gay community is going to collectively cut that turd loose

Haha imagine if all tranny faggot enablers were executed haha

No one has a problem with Tomb Raider or a plethora of other games with female-led characters. You are thoroughly deluded.

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>It makes no meaningful difference to the plot. They're fucked because the magic wore off on their magical concrete, and not because world conquest is harder than you'd think
Yeah, and Rapture is fucked because of gene-altering super drugs giving people superpowers. The concrete is really a background detail that serves to underline how the Nazi empire is literally built on loose sand and crumbling to pieces, but that theme is also prominent in the main plot concerning pockets of resistance in occupied areas twenty years after the conquest. You are treating Bioshock and Wolfenstein with a double standard and frankly I'm not even going to argue the details any more because the point is, the "politics" of Wolfenstein are baked into the setting, which is how it's supposed to be done, regardless of whether you think they did it well.

Involving politics =/= pushing politics.

If I'm that much of a hardcore atheist then I'm just as retarded as you are, user. Atheism is itself a belief, not an objective fact, and clinging to one's beliefs as objective fact while being intolerant of other views is childish. So stop being a child.

Stop lying, stop moving goalposts.
You proved nobody wrong.

Not that user, but if it's nothing but slogans and no substance, then it's pretty much guaranteed to be propaganda.

>the only way I could see that really happening is if the game explicitly tells you that if you don't share its political leanings then you should just turn it off now
Jesus user, what's your next argument? "It's just pixels on the screen"? You're going full retard with your argument. Yes I can still play a game that feels like it's forcing propaganda on me, but it will feel forced, which was the argument all along.

They won't even defend themselves against Islamists calling for their death and killing them, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

fpbp

>will it challenge your world view
maybe. Name me one that's good
>inserting your own beliefs is equivalent to propaganda
seems like you are just a bit of a sensitive one

So you as an atheist will sit through a literal unironic christian propaganda that treats bible as fact and will not feel that the movie was a bit forced?

Hello OP, can you please name ten western games from the beginning of gen 7 to now that feature a transgender character where it isn't given an undue amount of attention or used to force an agenda? Thanks!

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Actually based example.

>it feels like one
>if it feels like propaganda
That's not an argument. Even if it IS propaganda and you know it is, it will challenge your worldviews. There's no like or dislike, just a subtle process in your brain that makes you identify it as propaganda and dismiss it, not identify it as propaganda and accept it, identify it as propaganda and accept it or not identify it as propaganda and dismiss it.

Atheism is a belief like bald is a hair colour.

It's literally in the Baldur's Gate screenshot, an example of how poorly written and interjected personal opinion can fuck shit up. Telling me that "it doesn't matter, lmao, just ignore it, lol it's not even THAT bad" is literally moving the goalpost.

>inserting your own beliefs is equivalent to propaganda
It's a popular misconception that propaganda is only political and is only spread by governments. If you're creating a piece of art with the intent of spreading a certain belief, it literally is propaganda. The more you know

Again, who qualifies it as such? I'm sure there are people who would dismiss a handbook about programming as propaganda.

then you have to prove the intent

>subtle process in your brain that makes you identify it as propaganda and dismiss it
Wait a second, are you telling me this piece of storytelling will feel forced in this scenario? Because that's the argument I've been making all along. Amazing, the strawman you constructed was so elaborate you didn't notice yourself agreeing with me.

You're literally this upset because you couldn't tell a minor side character to fuck off in so many words? I wonder how many other side characters that you can't tell off would be revealed by a comparative analysis of the dialogue trees in the entire game.

user, you fail to understand the real point. Everything is forced. All art is forced. Even things that seem apolitical to you are simply reinforcing the politics of the status quo and will feel forced to anyone that is outside of that status quo. You personally only feel that something is forced when it challenges your worldview. Yes obviously if I was an atheist then a Christian Bible movie would challenge my worldview, but that doesn't mean I should automatically turn my brain off. If you feel you have to shirk away because you can't actually defend or back up your own beliefs in the face of a contrary worldview then you are mentally fragile.

It's art, I don't have to prove shit. If it feels like propaganda, it is propaganda in my subjective estimate. Were you expecting an objective outcome in an argument about art?

Dismissing the opinion of somebody else is not moving goalposts. You failed to prove that the overall quality of the writing suffered which is simply not true. Beamdog didn't make Irenicus a pansexual nigger, they inserted two lines for a useless throwaway character. You were arguing that the roleplaying aspect suffered because you weren't able to tell him to go dilate. Don't you think your claim was overblown and ridiculous?

Yes, as an atheist, I've sat through God's Not Dead.

They ARE political, but it's real politics, interesting debates.

Politics can be a fum topic when it isn't about trannies or opression olympics. If you can find a reasonable person a political discussion about say, the possible merits of fascism, or whether secularism is preferable etc. It can be an excellent and rewarding interaction.

How so? Atheism is the belief that there is no god, no?

Nah, agnosticism would be baldness, atheism would be albino.

there is a definition of propaganda so yes proclaiming something as that needs some sort of proof. I know discussion is buzzword spam on this site but in a real conversation it isn't.

No, I soecifically said that there are at least 4 outcomes to viewing propaganda, you said there was only one which is easily disproven since propaganda simply wouldn't work if everyone realized it was propaganda and rejected it.
And you sure as fuck don't know what a strawman is.

The word you're looking for is anti-theism.

It's this honestly. Leftist politics are fucking annoying, victimhood and coddling aren't engaging.

>definitely something of that there
>an exploration

Stop stretching and admit that it's shallow, SJW pandering wank.

>if I was an atheist then a Christian Bible movie would challenge my worldview, but that doesn't mean I should automatically turn my brain off
Oh yeah, you would watch that movie thinking "by god what if Bible is actually true????". Come on son.

>you can't actually defend or back up your own beliefs in the face of a contrary worldview
Good, so you agree with me. As long as your work presents me with an opportunity to defend or back up my beliefs, it doesn't feel forced. If it just presents an opinion I disagree with as a fact and bases the story around that opinion, well there's no reason for me to watch that movie. I disagree with the fundamental premise.

>politics can be fun when it's politics I'm comfortable discussing

>Politics can be a fum topic when it isn't about trannies or opression olympics.
Some people find those fun topics and are not at all interested in "reasonable" discussions about the merits of fascism.

Just one game that 'owns the libs' please.

So your argument is I should consume propaganda even after identifying it as one? For what purpose?

>underaged zoom-zooms going through their "traditionslist" phase after their libertarian phase

Shallow? Perhaps. SJW pandering wank? Not any more than Bioshock, really. How "deep" a work is doesn't change that.

It has to do with the human element. Yes, those games take place in a political backdrop but they don't touch upon false political and moral philosophies as it relates to individuals like modern games do. Infinite started to do this a bit more with that girl and it made me like its story the least

Unreasonable people.

Proving my point. The topics aren't for you so you shun politics in general.

Based.

KCD

Call of Duty. Ghost Recon. The Division. You know, all those non-political games.

Then fuck off back to rëddit queer

You were the one talking about how you shun certain political topics. Now your point is that we do that?

Yes there is. Learn it please then come back here.

Jesus you are obsessed with double standards. I have already explained why Bioshock is different to Wolfenstein. Being political hasn't uplifted it at all, it's still a very basic plot that makes no attempt to explore any possible themes. While that doesn't make it a bad game or a bad story, it doesn't make the two games equivalent like you think it does

>Oh yeah, you would watch that movie thinking "by god what if Bible is actually true????". Come on son.
Of course I wouldn't, doesn't mean I can't enjoy it for what it is. There's tons of shit that exists in a setting where God is presumed to exist, that doesn't mean it automatically invalidates how I think.

>As long as your work presents me with an opportunity to defend or back up my beliefs
No, you're still shirking and looking for a safe space. Back up your beliefs on your own, or admit your beliefs are fragile. Nobody else is obliged to take your fragile ego into account.

Well, did it feel forced?

Trannies should be killed.

Are you being dumb on purpose?
My argument is that there is no single piece of objective art. There's ultra-realism in paintings and photography which isn't challenging at all. One aspect of art is challenging your worldview, twisting your realities, going into the extremes and insanes.

Dilate, Discord tranny

>you are obsessed with double standards
That's all these people have. They can't argue against a standalone point so they have to go "Y-yeah well you also think x that makes you wrong!"

>I have already explained why Bioshock is different to Wolfenstein.
And I have explained how it's not.
>Being political hasn't uplifted it at all
It's not about "uplifting", it's a basic part of the setting. You fight Nazis. It can't help but comment on this real-world ideology.

I never said I shun them, they aren't real politics. Individuals whining isn't a political issue, and disagreement with these topics results in punishment.

Their inclusion isn't for discussion; it's for brownie points.

I'm completely willing to discuss the things you want to talk about, even the merits of fascism. But you also have to be willing to discuss things you find uncomfortable.

Genuinely retarded.

>FFVII - pro-environmentalism, anti-corporation
>Tales of Vesperia - pro-environmentalism, anti wealthy elite
>SMT Strange Journey - pro-environmentalism
>SMT in general - anti-organized religion
>FFVI - pro-environmentalism, anti-industrialization
>FFX - anti-organized religion
>MGQ - intolerance is caused by organized religion
>Tales of Symphonia - anti-racism
>Tales series in general - anti-discrimination
>Sonic the Hedgehog in general - anti-industrialism/pro-environment (save the animals from the evil machines)
>BOF II - anti-organized religion
>Grandia II - anti-organized religion
>FFT - anti-organized religion
>Valkyria Chronicles - anti-racism against Jews, anti-imperialism
>Spec Ops - anti-American interventionism/exceptionalism, anti-war
>Mass Effect -pro- (genetic)diversity, LGBT
>Fallout -anti-American jingoism/ultranationalism, anti-nuke
>Fallout 2 -explicitly anti-Scientology, anti-American jingoism, anti-Republican
>Civilization (in general) - anti-Republican
>Oddworld in general -anti-corporation, anti-industrialization, pro-environment
>Doom - anti-corporation
>Ratchet and Clank - pro-environmentalism, anti-corporation
>Mind Forever Voyaging - anti-Reagan
>Alter Ego - anti-conservative
>Bioshock - libertarianism and Randian utopianism ultimately fails and turns into a dystopia
>Halo (in general) - basically an allegory for post 9-11 fundamentalism
>MGS1 - your genes don't actually matter/define you
>VtMB - anti-Bush, anti-Republican, anti-elite
>Lunar Eternal Blue: anti-organized religion
>Assassin's Creed (in general): anti-organized religion (Templars are evil), religion is also a lie
>Arc the Lad- anti-organized religion
>GTA (in general) - le both sides are bad
>SMTIV - individualism bad, collectivism good
>RDR - pro-feminism, anti-racism
>Fire Emblem - anti-ultranationalism, anti-racism
>MOTHER 3 - pro-environment, anti-industrialization, anti-capitalist
>Catherine - pro-LGBT
>Fear Effect - pro-LGBT
>MGS3- pic related

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You didn't even follow the conversation, you're just trying to get a dig in.

Your phrasing implies otherwise, which is again proving my point.

>KCD
>has gay antagonists that basically get away with everything
>Woman's Lot
>religion is evil
Nope.

>Back up your beliefs on your own, or admit your beliefs are fragile
You keep repeating that but I don't understand how to make myself more clear. Let me try again. I'm talking to you right now because you seem reasonable. If you start sperging out on me right now, stating inane opinions as facts, I would stop replying, I wouldn't be interested in what you have to say. Are you following my logic? You would do the same, right? If you didn't consider me reasonable, you wouldn't talk to me, right? That's a sane way to behave, right? Do you see how I apply the same logic in my relationship with the artist/writer?

>that ff7 description
fucking lol. why do ff7fags do this? that is NOT the story at all.

the story is a cringe retard fights someone he doesn't even really have problems with, while thinking he's someone else. aka dumb weebshit.

Having the self esteem to declare your views as objective and challenge others is different to clinging to anti-reality ideology whilst no-platforming, censoring and banning anyone who disagrees with you. Maybe Kys.

>Individuals whining isn't a political issue
Tell it to Yea Forums
aayyyy

political video games are based here is my favorite political video game:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing_(video_game)

Correct

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You've got it on the run user!

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The campaign LITERALLY SAYS IN THE END WHAT THE ACTUAL MISSION WAS, YOU DUMBFUCK. IT'S A "WHAT-IF" SCENARIO. SHE FAILS THE MISSION AND THEN DURING THE CREDITS THEY TELL YOU WHAT THE REAL MISSION WAS. IT IS LITERALLY SPELLING OUT TO YOU THAT IT'S FICTION

IF YOU'RE GONNA BITCH ABOUT A GAME, THEN AT LEAST PLAY IT YOU FAGGOT

You can literally change your gender in the game with a spell. Biological gender. You would be the literal gender you transform into in every sense, and it's no big deal lorewise. I could even accept if the character is just a crossdresser --someone with a dick who wants to be called a woman for whatever reason-- if the character was handled properly. But it's not. It strips away your choice as a character because someone somewhere was hungry for progressive brownie points, and they thought it would be okay to do it at the expense of the game writing and sexual minorities. Not once have I said anything hateful towards sexual minorities, I simply despise these background furnitures dressed up as """progressive characters""" so that some clown on twitter can get acceptance from their progressive friends.

What comments? Are we going back to Nazis=cruel again? It doesn't get more basic than that. Or is it because Nazis are the in thing now, and that gives it weight in your mind?

And I'm saying the only reason why you consider them "inane" is because you refuse to actually support your position and would rather shrink away while spouting buzzwords to make yourself look more intelligent than you actually are.

>IF YOU'RE GONNA BITCH ABOUT A GAME, THEN AT LEAST PLAY IT YOU FAGGOT
But if they actually played it they'd have nothing to bitch about.

Low testosterone big-government basedboy manlet married to a roastie.

right wingers
>dude why you gotta bring up identity politics?
also right wingers
>why yes i am a proud american

Young, straight white men feel threatened by everything that isn't a carbon copy of them, or a thing to satiate their semencerberus so obviously they'll winge out against everything. There is no such thing as too political, just "it doesn't pander to me".

>You can literally change your gender in the game with a spell. Biological gender. You would be the literal gender you transform into in every sense, and it's no big deal lorewise.
Pretty sure that's only a cursed item, but yeah. So what? What's your point here? So you magically change your sex. It doesn't erase your past. You're still the same person with the same history. You still need a new name. Frankly, there is absolutely nothing in the dialogue to suggest that Mizhena did or did not get a magical sex change. The dialogue works either way and you never get in her pants.

Why do you get to decide what real politics are and aren't?

Remind me what it is that these games say that 'owns the libs'

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right wingers
>yea I love ethnic foods and foreign movies
also right wingers
>we should take better care of our borders and not let just any foreign criminal wander in

user, I told you I don't give a shit how "shallow" you think it is, by the standards set at the beginning of this argument, Wolfenstein is a game that does it right. You're arguing something else now because you still want to bitch about Wolfenstein anyway.

>you refuse to actually support your position
Well that's exactly the point I'm making. A film can challenge me with an opinion as long as it presents it as an opinion. That's exactly the room I need to "support my position", I can sit back and think if the character is right or wrong. What I have a problem with is when something I disagree with is presented as a fact, I can't sit back and think about it, the movie moves on assuming something I disagree with is a fact. At that point the movie lost me. Do you understand what I'm saying?

>all these buzzwords

Have you ever tried thinking for yourself you retarded fucking faggot?

>You didn't really contradict anything, people on this board hate anything gay
Clearly you haven't been to DMC threads. And when those people get shit for it is because they're being obnoxious about posting their headcanon, not unlike waifufags.

Unless you're watching a documentary I do not in fact understand what you're saying.

Based Fallout

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>A film can challenge me with an opinion as long as it presents it as an opinion
It presents an opinion by existing. You were arguing that it need to handicap its own opinion in order to be "valid."

Bioshock isn't pandering. The story leaves lots of room for argument about to what extent Rapture failed because of X, y and z. The main character isn't some Mary sue socialist destined to save the little sisters because he's so enlightened. He's just a dude that wants to get back to dry land and you can very easily immerse yourself in the game without thinking 'duh lolbertarians bad'.

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Political philosophy
>What is man?
>Where does he come from? Where is he going? What is his nature? Can he break this nature? Is he a slave to this nature?
>What is society?
>What good does it bring? What bad? Can men live together if they are different? What should be compromised?

Identity politics
>Hey, I'm different. I'm so different and people are mean to me. Eventually I win and show people that I'm not so different, or they need me despite my differences. Also I like sex.
>What? You don't like me or my ideals? Too bad, the developers do, so you will never get rid of me

Then what is the point of politics? What is Wolfenstein to you? You say that it does politics right, but to what end?
You can say it's political all you like but it gives the game no further depth. It's the same shallow story it's always been. It's not equivalent to a game that actively tries to explore its ideas.

>class disparity is bad
>Tenpenny ghouls dindu nuffin

>you can very easily immerse yourself in the game without thinking 'duh lolbertarians bad'.
So now we're praising Bioshock for how incredibly shallow you can experience it? Wolfenstein is just about shooting bad dudes, dude.

>boomers research and development teams they hired decide to go with the movement of high power video game girls and lots of skin color
>eventually they are starting to realize the weird gamer world doesnt give a shit about any of these things
>wonder why their investment into this video game company isnt working
>20 years into the future you have a new generation of video gamers wondering why the fuck the time period between 2014-2022 is filled with these janky concept games and just laugh at that

>Identity politics
Is nothing more than BLACK WOMAN IN GAME, BLACK WOMAN BAD

There are virtually no actual games that have the shit you posted, it's just you getting butthurt over brown people showing up on screen.

>It presents an opinion by existing
In that case my only response to that opinion can be to turn the movie off. That's the only room for interpretation I have.

You're making a distinction that doesn't really exist. When you're talking about the nature of man or society you can't help but talk about the different people that make up society. Is your issue just that you're comfortable talking about it in the abstract but not with more concrete examples with more direct relevance to our day to day lives?

Then you admit your own opinion is so fragile you're incapable of tolerating alternate opinions, so good job proving you're a snowflake.

Then most people would find you close-minded and unwilling to entertain new ideas.

Why experience entertainment if you find its foundation flawed?

Games are no longer an escape.

Old games were politcal and accepted because you didn't spend all day hearing about the contents in the game.

Now every person has an umbilical cord connecting them to the leftist zeitgeist that is social media and when they finally disconnect and try to enjoy something that takes their mind off the stress of people threatening to ruin their lives for having non conforming beliefs, they are presented with yet more propaganda.

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>All religion is a lie
Except it's very clearly indicated that the Bible is true. You're searching for literal magic Bible objects

making your game political, in the sense that there's politics in the game is okay. making critiques is ok. changing world war 2 because "women should be represented!" is retarded, and the thing people complain about.

Based, keep it up user.

Whoever did this doesn't actually understand what "political" means

You do understand that the identity of a person has political ramifications right?
Why were black people slaves in america? Oh wait, because of their identity.

Why were the jews prosecuted during the holocaust? Oh wait, because of their identity.

Why are Palestinians discriminated by the government of Israel. Oh wait, because of their identity.

Why did that random guy a few years back go into that gay bar to kill gay people? Oh yeah, because of their identities.

Why did the El Paso shooter target a specific group of people. Oh wait, because of their identities.

Really makes you think. Well, not you. You clearly don't think.

I'm glad that I don't use Twitter. It only seems to ruin things for people.

I don't recall seeing a WHAT IF message before every match saying WHAT IF ALL GERMAN SNIPERS WERE NIGGERS AND WOMEN AND CHINKS WERE IN THE MILITARY DURING WW2

Why limit yourself? It can be entertaining exploring alternate viewpoints even if I find their foundations flawed. Stop being so rigid.

>FB_IMG
Seriously?

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>You're searching for literal magic Bible objects
Which are decidedly not divine in origin. Seems like that's a bit more important to Christianity.

>t. actual ""person of color""
Sure you are, whitey
PoC, ACTUAL PoC proud of their heritage will always respect any change or focus on black characters, irrelevant of quality. Only white people whine about pointless things like this. Grow up.

Saying "person is black therefore you sympathize with them because of slavery" or "somebody is racist to them" is brainlet tier writing. There is nothing to gain. Everybody knows racism is bad. It's brownie points and nothing more, and certainly nothing creative is being done with the concept.

Stay mad bugman.

>american exceptionalism bad because nuclear war happened
Nigga, you never played these games.

Quit that shit dude

Because only bigots care so much about historical accuracy. Dabbing on them is a good decision. At least BF5 will be on the right side of history.

There was a joke someone posted about popeyes new chicken sandwich that was absolutely hilarious. Usually you'd see the replies being people finding it hilarious, but since he used "nigger" instead of "nigga" all the replies were pronoun Twitter account with trans flags in their profiles pictures saying shit like, "did you really have to use the hard R" and it just ruins the whole sense of people coming together to laugh at a joke.

I wish I could lose the addiction but my friends are on there and sometimes there some funny stuff, but it's mostly just propaganda being pushed on you.

I consume most media to be entertained. That isn't to say that media can't or doesn't have other uses and strengths, but there unless i am desiring it, i won't experience it.

But he's literally taking tranny pills, hes a tranny no matter how much he denies it

He should man up and accept that yes taking tranny pills makes you a tranny, nothing worse than a self hating individual.

Blacks were slaves because an Angolan servant who was given land, didn't want to pay a black guy, so he twisted the indentured servitude laws of virginia to ensure "ownership"... Dlavery was illegal and immoral to this point.

Ie.. a nigger degenerated society and caused harm to his own kind

>Everybody knows racism is bad
Tell that to the still-existing, growing, and openly supported by the government movements that advocate for white supremacy.

>everybody knows racism is bad
I'm not so sure these days.

>Everybody knows racism is bad
my guy
I just referenced a shooting that happened weeks ago motivated by racism.
Pretty sure racism is still pretty present.

>racism is bad
Wrong

Keep fighting the good fight then
But please for the love of god don't get involved in any other political issue. We don't want you here

"GAYMES SHOULD BE POLITICAL!"

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>>that projection
Typical bully-victim response.

>Everybody knows racism is bad.
Lurk moar, newfag.

>we
Don't speak for me you shitter

i dont understand how people can talk to tim cain and co. or even listen to them describe Fallout and pretend they care about any of the things people say was their artistic vision of Fallout

>Everybody knows racism is bad
JonTron? Is that you?

Jesus, touchy much? Maybe I should have said "We don't want your kind round here" and you'd get I was being funny

I think this every time I see that stupid cyberpunk one.
I wrote a Cyberpunk game that sold pretty well. Cyberpunk is wow cool future to almost everybody except politically obsessed spastic virgin of the left

Yes, your average /pol/tard here is racist. And? They aren't going to engage in a story like that in the first place. The vast majority of people are not racist.

Woah you mean a racist event happened? Holy shit I guess that means the entire country is racist.
Small isolated incidents aren't reflective of the entire fighter you idiot. You know this and you're being disingenuous. A pocket of retards on the internet are not reflective of society.

Edgy

Very good picture. It's even reinforced in Tim Cain's Fallout postmortem at GDC where he doesn't mention any of the supposed social commentary aspects in the design of the game.

In Bioshock you can find the critique if you examine it whereas in Wolfenstein the critique is pointed out to you every five seconds. The difference is that Bioshock isn't patronising in the way it presents it's message it leaves both room for you to miss it's statement and enough ambiguity as to why rapture failed for further argument.

I said lurk moar because it should be very obvious by visiting this website for more than a day that racism is very much in vogue, newfag.

t. Literal faggot

Based Liberal White retard getting offended on their pet darkie behalf. God forbid you treat them like people able to think and fend for themselves, no, no, they're your children.
Perhaps you'd be more comfortable keeping them safe, maybe have them live with you, do some chores to help out, after all it's the least you could do for those poor things

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Welp if thats how its gonna be

>Everybody knows racism is bad.
Kek. It's always funny when someone pulls this card. You're either naive or dishonest.

that all the political stuff that people whine about are very minor and are only brought up to brew up controversy clicks and sales and PR and all that bullshit. The controversy even then is just generated by /pol/babies, retardera, and the news media so they have another reason to bitch about their "oppression" and get brownie points with their peers. Every game that is "heavyhanded" on political stuff just includes a base amount of pop idpol inclusion that in all reality doesnt affect the actual game too much. The only game I've felt got a bit actually heavy handed was Wolfenstein 2, but that was more plagued with poor writing than anything else.
A good game is a good game. People dont whine about political influence in good games because everyone will call them a massive fucking retard for whining about it.
Basically, stop listening to people who dont play games on their opinion about said games.
I probably sound like a schizo but I wrote this on an hour of sleep

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>cherrypick one statement from the developer, and assume that it is the defining characteristic of the game
Tim Cain also said
"My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a post-nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun"

Combine this with being blatantly anti-Republican and the fact that he has consistently been anti-corporate (see Outer Worlds) and this post is laughable. Saying "I LIKE VIOLENCE" =/= developer was not influenced by politics.

You are pulling shit out of your ass.

>it's a LARP as a Fallout fan episode
duckandcover.cx/content.php?id=7

Red and basedpilled

thats still not really whats implied in those images though.

Fallout is pure, it just wants to be a game. Its just beautiful. Stuff like that makes me cry when I look at modern industry
Im not saying I'm a fallout fan. I'm a Fallout 1 fan. I prefer it to 2 and New Vegas. I think they lost their way after that.

Plans for the Fallout 3 that never happened. Doesn't count.

Goalposts successfully moved. Good work boys.

Maybe the reason you're so angry and frustrated is because deep down you know they're right.

These people only care about their virtue signalling, user.

What do you mean that wasn't implied? This image is an expy of Dan Quayle, the Republican VP of Bush Sr. It's the functional equivalent of putting Mike Pence in a game, with a bunch of retarded quotes, yet no one bitched about that being "too political"

>destiny fag circlejerk
YIKES
My dudes!

So you didn't play the game then. That's the only way you could think that was hamfisted and with no purpose.

Political and philosophical questions vs statements.

???
You mean the game or the manlet?

>Plans for Fallout 3
No, that's him criticizing Fallout 3 for seemingly being more obsessed with loot

Truth be told, american politics stopped being funny and became a sad joke. Then you realise that they brought it all on themselves and it becomes kind of funny again
>t. non american

The difference between a good political game and a bad political game is that a good one lets you decide who's right. A bad one TELLS you who's right.

Can someone explain the Halo 9/11 allegory to me? I've seen this mentioned before but I never paid much attention to Halo's plot.

Wolfenstein
Battlefield 1
Mortal Kombat 11

Those are just interpretations of those games, and of those games in their entierty. When a tranny is in a game they usually stand out like some fucking Out Of Place Artifact, because the character is ultimately irrelevant to the game overall and is never created as a labour of love but just to virtue signal to social media faggots and score SJW points. Also trannies make up less than 1% of the population and even for the sake of diversity there's larger, more ignored demographics who deserve to be represented instead.

Is this about videogames

>thread not deleted on sight
What is this faggotry

kill all trannies like speedonvhs zerraina and adamantium

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There are a few components to this. I'm just gonna use Final Fantasy VII because I have the most experience with it.
>How far into your game do I have to read to reach the political message?
In the case of FFVII, there's a basic environmental message that most people will grasp, but it's layered underneath the game's more fantastical elements. By the end of the game, the environmentalist angle is dropped entirely and you're fighting an alien and her Oedipus Squad to save the world from a bigass meteor. It's way less overt than if Shinra, for example, had been the main bad guys all throughout and the game culminated in them using Meteor to crack open the planet to harvest more Mako energy.
>How well are contrasting political opinions portrayed?
In FF7, nobody comes out squeaky clean. Barret is rightfully called out as being a terrorist in the beginning of the game and he feels bad about this when his people are attacked because of it. He learns from this and becomes a better person. Shinra is largely presented as evil, but many individual characters within the company eventually recognize the harm their company is doing to the planet, and try to make up for the damage they've done.
>How often do their developers make their personal politics known, and how often are they morally aligned with what would be considered "good" in the game's universe?
Self-explanatory.
I could write more but fuck it this post probably makes no sense.

Does Tomoko have a vidya?

Because people are stupid when it comes to expressing themselves. It's not about "politics", it's about advocacy, AKA "if you don't like trans people you're a monster, and you should lose your job". It's shame tactics and forced insertions and so on, not for the purpose of discussing a political topic, but for advocating for a VIEW on a topic the developer has already chosen to support. Propaganda might also be a good choice of words here, as well. The act taken is done with the express purpose of converting players to the dev's world view or normalizing said world view. Naturally, this sort of thing takes the form of concurrent political trends and movements, lgbt rights, gommunism, black power, etc, since no point in advocating a culturally dead topic... not philosophical discussions of objectivist interpretations of individualism's limitations, which has been talked and written about to death long, long ago, and which was used as a basis for a game's story thematic, because there's a rich ground of philosophical thought (with no clear winning argument, by the way) to pull in the player, not to ADVOCATE against individualism. The writer is trying to conflate and falsely equate peoples' words through the (intentional?) misuse of language, that initially was/is trying to express different things, to make an argument advantageous to their view.

WORDS.CAN.KILL
WhoaHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Its almost like those games actually had a point to make and wernt just propaganda

Watch this get no serious replies because it actually expresses points in a competent manner and has no easy ways to attack

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>subtext vs injecting current year sex politics that will age horribly much like real trannies
Not every game has to be some kind of statement.

Life imitating art.

Not the other guy but isn't the point about if the politics fit in vs hamfisted in for pandering reasons? Like yes Bioshock has politics but it is a tool to push the story of the game in a fitting way. Wolfenstein does also have fitting politics since the entire game is fighting nazis so naturally anti-nazi politics will fit the game. Whether or not either of these games have depth does not matter since that is the result of shitty writing/world building rather than hamfisted politics.

The BG picture user posted is an example where you have a guy talking about his gender for no reason other than to pander which is hamfisted into the game.

How tall IS destiny anyway? I want to feel insecure.

basically "a world ruled by corporations could have these downsides, let's explore" compared to "fuck drumph, this game is about a bad corporation that kills babies and puppies because they are trans and your job as the player character is to stop them so everyone on the bus can clap"

For the record, Fallout also makes fin of commies to a certain degree, not as much as capitalism due to the writers being lefties

Tranny characters, faggotry and just general purposeful gender confusion would be fine if there wasn't such malice by developers behind it. Just look at what those idiots making Borderlands 3 are attempting to do with that robot thing. Everything about racial and gender diversity in gaming is done with insidious and malicious intent in actuality despite them masking it as virtuous and with love.

It's exactly that, false equivalence/bad analogy and should usually be ignored unless it's part of a long ongoing debate. The whole point of posts like in OPs pic is purely to bait and tie up an argument as it often takes time to disseminate the obvious bullshit that's being presented.

Just take screencaps of the good posts and spam them in these threads

unironcily based

People to vote with there wallets. Piracy exists, if they put women in the front lines in WW2 and you wanna play it DON'T pay. The people complaining don't play games and no one unironically thinks life is strange is good.

Basically this.
Political opinions are okay if you explore an issue from multiple point of views and give all of them an equally fair chance like the sidequest in Witcher 3 about that guy and his wife. Most of the time there is just one politically correct opinion that is allowed to be acknowledged either due to agenda of the developer or artificial time constraints. But I guess people don't deserve any better entertainment from 8 hour cinematic games.

true, no electroshock therapy to deal with these "people"

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>Don't get angry when the government lets middle aged men into the little girls room
dude just live and let live lmao

ah yes, colonial empires genociding/forcing into slavery entire populations isn't bad, and western companies profiting off child labour in third world countries isn't bad either.

yeah, yeah, you can say something that it isn't real capitalism, but it really is. In capitalism capital is the god, people think nothing is immoral as long as it maximises profits, or that exploiting people's stupidity is somehow good.
I'm not a communist or anything, communism also led to millions of deaths, because communists also had their made-up god which they served - the historical necessity of introducing communism. But that doesn't really justify the obvious flaws of capitalism.

Tomb Raider is grandfathered in because that shit is an oldschool series
everyone wasn't this butthurt in 1996

to be fair, in "any other industry" the customer doesn't generally throw out death threats when they're slightly inconvenienced

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Do a search and see for yourself, rather than assuming, because they do.

i never thought i'd see the day where someone on Yea Forums would become self-aware

They do, it's just there are customer service reps falling on that grenade.
The egotistical wankers of the game work are all on twitter selling themselves as a product, people come straight to them with thoughts because they made it clear their inbox is open.
They are just putting up with what phone monkeys have dealt with for decades and they have no body to blame but themselves.

And they all have an Internet forum somewhere convincing them that their views are valid and it's understandable that they feel the way they do / want to cut pieces off themselves and others / force the world to sing.

Eat shit and die OP

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Games are now a service after all. That's what they decided, so now they have to be service reps as well. Of course, for them the customer is always wrong, but what's the worst that can happen...

Suck cock faggot

Holy shit, way to be a centrist kool aid drinking faggot. Just mash your head into the sand and pretend the problems don't exist.

>I define myself as being the opposite of somebody
The irony is that is literally what a centrist and moderate does, opposed to what the left/right actually do.

None of those reference current year, they’re imaginative worlds with broader critiques of cultures. Forcing trannies into your game is mindlessly pandering and is only done because it’s a hot topic right now.

You guys are so retarded; I'm saying I'm against what it is being said in the image, you fucking moron.

When will the dipshits crying about "mah racism" understand they are indirectly causing it by shitting on white people constantly?
Like really, is it bad faith or what? It's such an obvious example. Journalists and fags shit on white people, all day, every day, none stop for years now. Suddenly "growing white supremacists!" Like fuck NO SHIT, learn to tone it down with the constant blaming whitey for every little fucking thing and then you wouldn't have these fucking problems.
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actual thread topic aside, the linguistics of the internet/electronic text communication is fascinating

I always find myself adding way too many qualifiers, vagueness, and words to whatever sentence I type, just because I'm always terrified that I'll either start shit or that if I say something clearly and get it wrong I'll look like a retard

I’m a leftist but I low ley like some of Ayn Rand’s short stories. I understand the politics behind them, which aren’t exactly subtle, and obviously disagree with them, but still enjoy them. I also like watching FEE’s video essays that analyze media with a classical liberal/capitalist lense.
If you need to have your politics validated 24/7 by all the media you consume then you are either a sensitive bitch, a brainlet who is afraid of having his views challenged, or both. Grow the fuck up. Jon S. Mills didn’t defend the merits of free speech so you could hide in your gay little hugbox.

>Flat out admitting that calling things political doesn't mean they're political, it just means you don't like them

How much of an idiot can you be? Just give the game away like that.
At least when you call it political, that incites discussion. Just saying "I don't like it so they should take it out" just makes you a cunt.

Fpbp

>trans
>person
good joke user, caught me off guard.

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Becuse those games that are political aren't intentionally subversive garbage
>bioshock
Is a character drama and a critique of libertarianism
>fallout
Role of technology
All the tranny shit is entwined with the current year politics and all the mentally ill freaks trying to bring about trotskyism on stroids.

>I also like watching FEE’s video essays that analyze media with a classical liberal/capitalist lense.
Who?

Except all of the bible objects(along with a few from other religions) come from a belligerent precursor race that used to enslave humanity and is definitely not divine, just very advanced.

Trannies have taken it to far. I am willing to accept them into society. I am willing to say miss or sir when theyre clearly bilogically not fucking a miss or sir. Im not okay calling everyone THEY or THEM, cause thats fucking stupid, and Im not okay with retarded shit like this

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A fucking 6 foot 2, 220 fucking pound WOMAN making it look like shes Michael Jordan playing Basketball against a Youth team...I mean...Come the fuck on.

Yep, pretty much this. Couldn't give less of a fuck what people do with their bodies or what they want to be called as long as it's not too ridiculous like "xe" or "xor".

But a man playing in women's sports is just ridiculous and unfair. If it's such a touchy subject just redefine women's sports as "XX sports" and men's as "XY sports" so there's no ambiguity as to who actually qualifies.