Why did people like him, but have issues with other diverse characters in games?

His game came out before the r/the_donald refugees flooded in and the game was old enough to be part of "the good old days" they shit post about
If it was released now they absolutely would be screeching about playing a black guy and saying why not just make him white if his race isn't important

Anything that isn't a white male is today's definition of diversity. Doesn't matter if it's a regurgitated cash in attempting to exist solely on the original's popularity (Ghostbusters 2016, upcoming Little Mermaid movie) it replaced white men with women and a white woman with a black woman, so now it's diverse and BETTER. But honestly, you'd think minorities would get upset at the cheap way they're getting represented through shitty cash grab remakes, or low effort attempts like when you have a party of white people with the token black team member. That isn't fucking diversity, that's pandering, and these companies just want you to be happy and keep your mouth shut so that's why they do it. They play it as safe as possible to avoid negative publicity and sacrifice quality in the process.

I miss Lee...

Borderlands has always been SJW tumblr tier shit
Any of you giving a fuck about this series is just exposing how fucking /new/ and young you all are

Cause he was a reference to the main character in Dawn of the Dead.

>Borderlands

fuckinglul

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*Night of the Living Dead

People like OP amuse me. They are unironically racist by posts like this. Comparing black characters with other, different, black characters and saying
>But what about him?
Yet I'm sure they are avid supporters of diversity.

OP phrased it weirdly/ badly, but they seem to be asking why Lee isn't hated for being a less common protagonist as a black dude than a white man. Yea Forums loses its shit when a game has a female protagonist (in both positive and negative ways), so just look to examples like that.

The diversity bit is what gets me about this, since diversity sounds fun, if only for variety's sake. Show me a game featuring a Columbian druglord as the protagonist and you're trying to get out of the cartel game without getting silenced as you're fleeing the country, or some weird Inuit survival game where you have to spear-hunt seals and make good use of their blubber to make it through the night.

Watch and all

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Back to /vr/ grandpa

He was more human then the rest of the cast.

Am I the only one that thinks Ben's truck plan could have worked if the 3 men had worked together instead of the one guy not helping and the young woman getting involved

I don't recall the movie in it's entirety, but I've just read a synopsis and it does not mention his plan. What was it again?

I can imagine it would have worked as you mentioned, the folly of the plans in these sorts of films is often that the characters do not work together.

Because he's black but not a nigger

Because Lee was a cahracter who happened to be black
Every single black after him and Clementine has been a black soapbox that you were told was a character despite being nothing beyond a political mouthpiece
It's been 7 years since the last good black characters, 7 fucking years TWD is from 2012
But hey we have more melanin now aren't games so much better now?

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His race isn't ever an issue.

>I miss Lee
>He rescued me and protected me for months, taught me survival skill and how to use a gun and then ultimately and gave up his life to save me from a mad man
>Christa
>WHAT ABOUT MUH OMID THO

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He isn't a walking stereotype. They didn't feel the need to make him being black a central component of his character. You are supposed to characterize by giving unique stakes and personality, not making their racial/ sexual/ whatever identity the focal point. When you do that, you have to remember that it's an identity that a large group of people hold, so these characters default into being a lame stereotype and lose uniqueness. In the case of putting gays and trannies in games, this is exactly what they feel the need to do, as well as putting it in your face frequently so you just have to live with the tasteless characterization (or lack thereof). What your asking I assume is: Why is it that people [on Yea Forums] get mad when gay characters are put into games, but like Lee, a character who is a minority? The answer is that Lee is a real character who is characterized well, but a majority of these modern lgbt characters are written with their identity as a focal point, and come off as cringe for that reason. It's like a lot of stories have characters who are stereotypes, but they are typically not even supporting roles, just background characters. Bullies, chads, stacies, nerds, etc. They aren't meant to have a lot of characterization because they are just part of society. Now imagine if you had these characters who are only characterized by their archetype, and had them in supporting roles. They are background character tier in quality yet are constantly involved with the main story. It's the exact same situation with forced diversity characters.

>What was it again?
Pretty simple, they have access to a truck but it's low on gas, there's a gas pump out by the barn on the farm they are holed up in
Ben wants to take the younger guy with him to gas up the truck and have everyone else wait just inside the back door so when they come back around everyone can just jump right in the back and they can escape
The other guy with the family is an obstructionist jack ass about it and as soon as Ben leaves he drags his family back to the basement and the younger guys girlfriend runs out to help him at the last second, guy gets distracted protecting her which gets them both killed and the truck destroyed

>We will never get a Lee+Clem survival adventure reboot spanning multiple seasons mirroring the shows Rick+Carl dynamic
It hurts Yea Forums

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Because it's honest

>comic ends with Rick dead and Carl cucked and now servicing Negan as part of his harem to survive

Can't speak for everyone, but it's because he's not a stereotype. He's not the mouthpiece of some idiot suffering from white guilt. He doesn't have the typical black guy background story where he is a thug with a heart of gold or some poor guy from the ghetto. He was a former history teacher that got into some trouble because he got into a fight with the dude that was fucking his wife. He was made by people that weren't going by some "how to be black" checklist. That's what makes him great as a character.

Nigger what? I don't believe you

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He killed the dude fucking his wife
Lee did nothing wrong

Lee was Lee Everett, not "black NPC who didn't shut the fuck up". Lee Everett should be a staple for minority protagonists, and James Heller (Prototype 2) should be what to avoid.

>t. black guy

Agreed. He was just a normal everyday hard-working, earnest guy who had one bad day and lost it in a crime of passion after finding out some other guy who screwing his wife. It's also implied that the guy in question was a family friend that Lee trusted, so I don't blame him for snapping. Betrayal hits a man hard when it's that close to home, and sometimes that man hits back harder than the inciting asshole expected him to. We saw all of Lee's good sides though, and how big his heart is, and how much he truly wanted to protect that lost, scared child he found cowering in a treehouse. He was a good human being. That's why the choice at the end of Season 1 hurt so much. Do you honor Lee's life as a good man by not letting him turn into some twisted monster version of his former self, or do you respect his stated wishes and maintain a bit of Clementine's remaining innocence by letting him take on the sacrifice of reanimating with no way to stop himself once he's turned? It's a terrible choice to be saddled with after knowing Lee for so many hours, and it's one I'm still conflicted about even years after making Clementine leave him as he wished. It's what he wanted, but it hurt to leave Lee to that fate when I knew he was a good person.

It's a half truth, Rick really is dead and Carl did get cucked since his whisperer girlfriend was fucking dudes for protection but Carl doesn't become a cock holster for Negan, Negan is a protector for their little community though

Cause he's white but with black skin

You picked wrong, the game constantly reminds you that Clementine cannot remain totally innocent if she is to survive, thats the point of the haircut scene
You're meant to make Clementine shoot you not for Lee's benefit but for future Clementines, so she has no doubts or what ifs
>What if Lee got better
>What if Lee died before turning
>What if he's still there as a walker

Rick gets randomly killed by a literally who in the penultimate issue, shot in his bed, no fanfare or anything. Next issue just straight up timeskips, Carl imprisoned Sebastian instead of getting revenge, Rick is some messianic figure now, and Negan protects the allied communities even though said communities were about to civil war an issue ago.

in short, Kirkman wrote himself into a corner and pussied out, pissing off the fans. He did an Old Man Carl ending to satisfy niggers like Trevschan and it flopped. TWD is dead.

>diverse character
this is such stupid fucking terminology. There's nothing "diverse" about niggers being in everything these days.

>Kirkman wrote himself into a corner and pussied out, pissing off the fans. He did an Old Man Carl ending to satisfy niggers like Trevschan and it flopped. TWD is dead.
That sounds fucking awful
If he had bit the bullet what should he have done?

Because unlike many minority characters nowadays, their identity isn't totally based on the fact that they're minorities

Not that user but there isn't much he could have done with the concept anymore anyway, he was spinning the wheels and going in circles ever since the Woodbury arc
Basically he just wanted to end things asap so he could move on to other projects, it's pretty clear he was bored of TWD and was just milking it for cash, I guess he decided he was rich enough now

>Lee was Lee Everett

Concise, how many black people start ranting to you about slavery and white supremacy when you first meet them? It's like the black version of your old racist grandpa stereotype
In reality he's gonna bitch about you burning the potatoes at thanksgiving and going to artschool before he goes on a racist drunken rant about you dating a god dang chink he fought in vietnam don'tcha know?

Resolve the community civil discourse, have Sebastian die to Carl or Rick die during the mutiny Sebastian was IMPLIED to have wanted to start (that's right, he didn't even start. He shot Rick and apparently just went to hand himself in immediately.). I would have had Negan leave, too, re-establish the Saviours or be Maggie's protector through said Saviours who are reformed to actually SAVE people. He was just repeating old stories in truth though, it was clear he was trying to keep it alive longer than the show, but after AMC fucked him over (look that up) I think he just lost passion for it. It caused him a lot of stress after what they pulled and seeing Rick 'die' on the show only to go into le epic movie franchise with Carl dead on the show probably killed his motivation for his baby.

If I were to end it? Rick would have been infected when Dwight claimed his arrow was slathered in Walker guts during the end of All Out War. Everything would proceed like usual, Rick would best Negan after tricking him, but then he'd get Andrea's death at home with her and Carl by his bedside. He'd pass away, then the final issue is the timeskip, then the communities are about, but Negan is the one in prison instead of Sebastian, and Carl ends it by releasing Negan and showing compassion and forgiveness that Rick instilled in him to bring his lessons full circle. Dwight ended up shot out of nowhere 30 issues later anyway, it would have been inconsequential and we could have avoided Princess (God I hate her) and the entire Commonwealth Arc. The Whisperers were a letdown and not threatening after No Way Out proved resilience can best a herd anyway, so them not coming to fruition post AOW wouldn't have been a loss either.

How is saying racial stereotypes even racist? How is saying something like blacks typically really like watermelon and chickens implying that their race is inferior? Or Asians like rice and have slanted eyes or Mexicans like Tacos and smell like beans? This is such a weird cultural phenomenon that I really just don't understand. Can someone please explain this to me?

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Yeah, the game does make it clear that Clementine has no chance of maintaining her innocence. But it's a dying man's last wish and letting him pass on believing that Clementine was spared at least that felt worth it to me, since Lee seemed to feel it was a line Clementine shouldn't cross unless absolutely necessary, which it wasn't considering he had already chained himself to a wall. He got to die thinking that Clementine might've been able to 'be a kid' for just a little while longer, even if the time might be measured in days instead of months or years. That was worth it to me, and I felt that Clementine would begrudgingly respect that sentiment even while wanting to make sure the man she respected would never become a monster. One way or the other, it was clear Clem was going to have a hard life and she would need to toughen up and get a lot more okay with cold-blooded murder if she was going to survive in this world, but Lee didn't want that maturing to happen any quicker than it already was, so he was willing to reanimate to save her from putting him down. That's noble to me and I respect his sacrifice on behalf of the child's mental and emotional wellbeing. Clem will have other chances to harden up. She doesn't need to put down her personal protector and parent surrogate just to get a head-start on it.

I didn't call anything racist, I just said the game is humorous in the few instances where his race comes up. In this case though, yes, Kenny is being racist by assuming that Lee can pick locks like a thief just because he's black, meaning Kenny assumes all black people are literal break-and-enter burglars. That's what's going on in that little exchange if you didn't get it.

He assumes it because Lee is handy and has opened several locked doors before, remember his parents pharmacy? Kenny doesn't know Lee has the keys for the back door

>He assumes it because Lee is handy and has opened several locked doors before
Don't lie, we both know Kenny wouldn't have mentioned anything 'urban' if his reason for thinking Lee can pick locks wasn't about his race. He wouldn't have apologized if he didn't realize it was a racist thought.

>Lee opens locked doors
>Lee is black
Yeah call it racist or whatever but it didn't come out of fucking nowhere

>Top tier
Sgt. Johnson, Augustus Cole, Lee
>Shit tier
every one else.

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Kenny connecting it to Lee being 'urban' and 'ethnic' did come out of nowhere though, and that's the factor that made it racist. If he had just said "hey, you got into the pharmacy, didn't you? Maybe you can work some of that magic and do whatever you did to get us out of a place instead of in," then it wouldn't even kind of feel racial.

But black people commit more crimes and break into more shit, it's not out of nowhere, Lee breaks into tons of shit, what makes him different than every other character?
Well he's black for one, Kenny makes assumptions but he doesn't judge or act on them

The title of the video is something along the lines of Kenny being Racist which is why I said what I said.

>Kenny is being racist by assuming that Lee can pick locks like a thief just because he's black, meaning Kenny assumes all black people are literal break-and-enter burglars.
How is that racism? How is stating a racial stereotype racism? If the majority of blacks actually do live in urban areas and stating that, how is it racism?

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Yeah, how could stating a racist stereotype possibly be racist?

I guess it's like "my race has such a superior culture that we don't fall into any stereotypes" or something

And white people commit more domestic terrorism per capita than any other race according to the DoJ, should we start treating all white people like potential mass shooters

>But black people commit more crimes and break into more shit, it's not out of nowhere
What you are doing with this sentence is called racial profiling. Statistical facts have no bearing on an individual, they just make broad blanket statements about an often emotionally diverse group, like if I said white people are sickly wastes of taxpayer money who should not be allowed as much healthcare as minorities with more robust immune systems. I hope you can see how this would be moronic, as we can have a white guy in one room who's strong as an ox and will live to see 100, and we can have a dying white male child with something like lupus. Just because a lot of black people commit crimes doesn't mean that someone like Lee can't be a saint, and when someone like Kenny makes broad assumptions about Lee's personhood without knowing him very well, with those assumptions being based on stereotypes about the person's race, then the person doing the assuming is a racist. It can be a black person calling all white people sun-allergic filth that's getting purified by God's rays, or it could be an old fashioned Southern white boy assuming shit about black people like Kenny did with assuming Lee must've broken his way into a building and has working knowledge of how to bust locks.

Because he’s a good, grounded character not a Mary Sue the SJW who wrote him is living vicariously through.

Every race falls into stereotypes.
>I guess it's like "my race has such a superior culture that we don't fall into any stereotypes"
That's such a weird assumption.

That's literally incorrect

too long didn't read, fuck off to tranny era
Kenny can't racial profile and make insensitive judgements?
All Kenny knows is this black guy is really good at opening locks

>How is stating a racial stereotype racism?
I have never read a bigger oxymoron, even as transparent as this bait is. Bravo.

>too long didn't read
Good to know you weren't able to defend your stance and gave up because you realized you were in the wrong and embarrassing yourself. Self-awareness is the first step to self-betterment.

>That's literally incorrect
It's literally not, in fact in 2018 the DoJ found that every single act of race based domestic terrorism was committed by a white supremacists
And recently court records were released showing that out of 39 politically motivated acts of domestic terrorism 29 of the defendants cited Donald Trumps rhetoric as a motivator for their acts, those are the defendants words

>a zombie isn't going to care what color his skin
But /pol/tards will

You're responding to an idiot who refuses to do any basic intellectual due-diligence, like reading what he's responding to. Don't waste your time and attention on someone who's on the spectrum.

Lee was a cool guy who did cool things, and was flawed but not in a way that made him obnoxious

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Elaborate.

>bla bla bla you don't know lee wasn't a saint
Boil it down everyone makes assumptions, I don't give the homeless money if they act like junkies either, deal with it

Shockingly gang shooting aren't considered domestic terrorism unless it's a "white" hispanic

Your post was shit and boring propaganda so I skimmed it, it reflects you more than me

Politically motivated studies and left-wing propensity to change definitions on a whim are common knowledge my Marxist friend.

That's because unlike yourself /pol/tards are capable of higher cognitive function than a zombie.

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He was there before Yea Forums started hating hating black people

And you've posted nothing but boogeyman race-baiting. It's amazing how braindead and deluded polfags are.

Everything I posted was true, you are the one who made it political because you couldn't stop yourself sperging out
>Hey Kenny has reasons to assume Lee could lockpick
>"KENNY IS RACIST WHO THINKS LEE IS A NIGGER THIEF DUE TO SYSTEMTIC OPRESSION"
Fuck off

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No, Kenny clearly associates black people with thieves and you're choosing to pretend otherwise.

You are clearly a propagandised retard who is unable to perceive the nuance for why he perceives Lee as such regardless if he perceives "blacks" that way, I even gave you an explicit example and you shoved it aside for you political agenda
You are going to be insulted by this but you need to hear it, you are not as smart as you think you are

You're such a disingenuous person. People like you make me sick. Or you're just a total fucking blockhead. Pick your poison.

If you're referring to Lee getting into the pharmacy successfully, they're in a zombie apocolypse. Plenty of doors get left open during the fleeing panic, plenty of sheet glass doors break under the strain of zombies trying to get in to survivors barricaded inside, etc. Kenny knew that Lee got in, but he made the snap assumption that Lee must have broken his way in, and not that there was some other way like a broken window that hadn't been noticed before, and then when this comes up conversationally he states this assumption while calling the black guy "urban" and saying suggesting that he thinks most black guys are good at breaking into residences they've been locked out of. Dodge all you want, but this is all readily observable and obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than the 85 you're rocking.

It's a trivial discussion, but it's probably what OP wanted given how they started the thread. What a shame considering Lee's a solid, enjoyable protag.

The way you faggots are talking...you better not be implying something

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You sound like a dumb tranny, you'll never pass, kill yourself

I never denied Kenny thought that Lee being black and being good at breaking into shit was why he called him Urban or was correlated, I pointed out he only called him urban AFTER Lee showed repeatedly he was pretty good at getting past locks
My whole argument was literally
>But he did this before
It's not like Lee got into the pharmacy and Kenny ran up and went
>"Oh I knew we could rely on you nigger, you niggers are great and breaking and entering than stealing right?
Lee literally gets past locks without observation and autists assume Kenny must know how he didbecause autist does, when most of the time Kenny is pre-occupied with muh family shit

I guess when I made this thread I wanted comparisons with other characters to see if it was purely a Yea Forums is more racist thing, or if there were some legit points.

He's a human being first and a black guy last

>Why did people like him, but have issues with other diverse characters in games?

Because diversity isn't what makes a great character.

Only retarded sjw and dumb leftist think color is all that matters in a character that they've created a troop on their own without realizing it. They created the bland boring feminist that can do no wrong troop.

hey Lee.... Joel is alive.

There's a comedic moment in episode 2 where Kenny says Lee is good at breaking into shit because he's "urban" to which all Lee has to say is "What the hell?!" to his friend and survival companion's blatant racism. It's never taken up beyond that. It's mostly just a comedic beat.

Just a reminder that if you're not a Bavarian phenotype white male muslim you're not really human.

trust anime autists not to understand social phenomenons.