Would Shantae's chances to be in the Fighter Pass be higher or lower to you if she didn't currently have a spirit in...

Pit and Link have separate spirits of their original NES designs. They can just make a quick patch to change the name of the existing Shantae spirit if they're determined to put her in.

Shut up Boco
Spirit or not, she's not in

They decided and finalized the DLC after that last trailer with her as a spirit
If she was gonna be a fighter, they would've saved it

She’d be inevitable if she wasn’t a spirit same could be said for shovel knight if he wasn’t an assist trophy

I'm aware. Just getting a Spirit is unexpected and a win. People need to accept it and move on.

The Links are all different characters you dumb waifufag

I'm a big shantaefag and I don't understand why people still think she can make it as things are currently.
If there were a second fighter's pass I could see it, I even think she's likely for the next game, especially if Shantae 5 is good, but her being one of the remaining 2 fighters is just an impossibility right now.

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fuck off nigger

I don't think her chances would be higher if she didn't have a spirit, but I think the fact that he has exactly one spirit communicates to us in a small way that this is the level of involvement in the game Nintendo sees Shantae as deserving. Without the spirit it would be equally unlikely, but we wouldn't know for sure as much what Nintendo's thought on Shantae are, so there might be more reason for some people to cling to hope.

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And Pit is the same guy in all his games.

>but I think the fact that he has exactly one spirit
Risky has one too.

Mario's already in Smash.

Oh, neat. I don't think it changes much though sadly

Someone can correct me if they have the info, but I feel like Shovel Knight has sold more or just as much with 1 game as Shantae in her whole series.
Shovel Knight got an assist trophy, and is a more popular character than Shantae. So if you're holding your breath for her in Smash, I'd say keep holding until you pass out.

>Shovel Knight got an assist trophy, and is a more popular character than Shantae.
Shantae being a spirit actually gained more retweets and likes on twitter than Shovel Knight as an assist

Reimoo!!!!

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the image leak is fake
Reimu's ascot hasn't been red in years

Even if its fake, she still has a chance.

A low chance, but still a chance nonetheless.

>Shovel Knight cameos in literally everything Indie.
>Shantae is somehow supposed to go higher than he does because Twitter asked.

25%+- .
one of the two left is 100% a fire emblem rep.
She could get the other spot, but why would they choose her over other more popular Indies?

Shantae's sales are ~2.5 million with all games and systems combined, while Shovel Knight hit around 2 million with everything, I'll see if I can dig up the numbers. That's one game vs. 4 though.

I don't know if Shovel Knight is a more "popular" character than Shantae either - While he certainly is more popular in the west, Japan just does NOT care for Shovel Knight at all. All said and done though, Shantae's fanbase is likely just more vocal.

She won't be getting into Smash though - She's not important to gaming history, has little to no actual relationship with Nintendo beyond starting on their console (their very next game was released on iOS as well, and Pirate's Curse on PC), she isn't actually an Indie character as all her previous games were always published by much bigger companies, and her popularity is more so just niche..

>actually trying to use gaming history and other made up rules when every DLC character so far has proven rules don't exist
You can say the same things about Banjo and look where we are now. I'm not saying she's getting in anytime soon but stop acting like we can try to use made up excuses like "X country doesn't care about Y" because that clearly doesn't matter anymore.

Is the futa degenerate a bot or is he just autistic enough to be in every single Shantae thread?

>Japan just does NOT care for Shovel Knight at all
Really? I thought it was the other way around. But You're right in that Shantae fans are more vocal. Heck, it worked for Banjo.

It’s irrelevant outside of the info we know that wayforward communicated with Sakurai in some capacity

Either Reimu or Quote are the only real contenders for an "Indie" pick. Shovel Knight's already a trophy, Shantae's a 3rd rate character with no important history, and Steve would actively alienate a lot of the current playerbase (Japan's not terribly fond of Minecraft).

The problem with Touhou and Cave Story though is licensing. Both are super important characters in the overall history of gaming, but Touhou belongs to a single person who isn't afraid to say "Fuck right off" to anyone he doesn't like or want to deal with, and Cave Story rights belong to Nicalis, who are so fucking stringent and a pain in the ass to work with when it comes to licensing that most companies tell them to "Fuck right off".

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you say that but since Nintendo's own E-shop has posted her games on their indie focused sales and stuff they clearly see it as indie so...your opinion really doesnt matter.

Im curious what examples of Nicalis's pain in the assness are there?

Yeah, compare the art they get on Pixiv

Reimu's more likely only because Namco has good history with ZUN and the fanbase.

Sakurai's explicitly stated rules, not made up ones. How and when he decides to follow them, no one knows.

Nope, Shovel Knight did pretty mediocre in Japan. Nintendo and Famitsu were excited about it, and the people that actually played it were happy with it, but it just didn't sell many units there (though it did sell enough to be profitable at least).

Half-Genie is an Indie game, but none of Shantae, Risky's Revenge, nor Pirate's Curse are indie, and the character certainly isn't either.

>Sakurai's explicitly stated rules
The rules being no non video game characters, Shantae is a video game character.
Things like "no western characters, must be relevant worldwide, must have recent releases, must have X amount of games on Nintendo consoles," etc, etc are all fanmade and have been broken at least once before. Claiming Shantae can't get in because of things like "having no relationship to Nintendo" and "not being a REAL indie character" don't actually matter.

>Im curious what examples of Nicalis's pain in the assness are there?

We don't have much in the way of concrete evidence, but Pixel, GR3 Project, Edward McMillian, and 8bits Fanatics have all swore to never work with them again, and they hold their IP's hostage.
There's also been the numerous delays on releasing and pushing through projects that has held developers back, sometimes years.
When enough people avoid working with one company, it's likely there's something fucky with the company.

Well underage tiddies usually get more attention than armor.

Who asked you bocunt?

I think you're misinterpretig the definition of "indie"

Independent games mean that a company is not owned nor gets development funding from a bigger publishing company. It refers also to games being financed under larger publishers that dont exert significant creative control over the developers.

Indie doesn't mean "Had no other game company help publish and market the game for them."

oh damn.

>Independent games mean that a company is not owned nor gets development funding from a bigger publishing company.
>Nor gets development funding

Shantae got development funding from Capcom. As in the game would not have been made without them. Their earlier versions, before Capcom got involved, were very, very different. They've been extremely open about this.
web.archive.org/web/19970410130926/http://www.wayforward.com/Shantae.htm

Capcom gave them direction and helped get it on the system. No one has ANY idea what kind of deal WayForward made with Capcom to keep the IP licensing, but Capcom may also have not given a shit since it sat on the game for months. Either way, it's not an indie game.

Japan doesn't care for SK in the slightest, but Shantae does have a niche following in Japan, she even has two figures over there.

Does this argument really matter? Nintendo considers Shantae indie and constantly shows her off as an indie title, regardless of how we feel about it, if Nintendo thinks of Shantae as an indie rep then she's an indie rep.

Her chances would still be 0%

>Shantae's not an indie character
>Yes she is for X reason
>X reason is wrong, she's not indie, here's evidence
>Does it really matter, she's indie because Nintendo put her in a slideshow once

Back tired from moving those goalposts yet?

Regardless Shantae is considered indie by Nintendo and thats all that matters.

How is it moving the goalpost when Nintendo is the one making the call?

hey I admitted in a way that you are right, but that really it doesnt matter what either of us think about it.

Shantae? More like Man tits!

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three.

Here's Sakurai's list of rules for characters:

>>>>>General Rules:
There are no rules, just "guidelines" and things he considers.
>Character/Franchise Distribution
>Uniqueness
>Personality
>Balancing
sourcegaming.info/2015/07/11/gdc-2008-translation/

>>>rd Party Characters
Rule #1
>Both companies must want character in Smash
>Company X must allow Sakurai artistic license with Character Z
Rule #2
>Character Z must carry some gaming history with them.

Oddly enough, while he states it would be a nice courtesy to only use characters that have appeared on a Nintendo console, he states that it would only be a courtesy, and is not required.

web.archive.org/web/20070328190054/http://www.smashbros.com/jp/toukou/bn/no3.html

>>>>>Manga Characters:
Rule #1.
>Fuck No

nintendosoup.com/sakurai-manga-characters-absolutely-not-allowed-to-join-super-smash-bros-ultimate/
switchsoku.com/soft/smashbros/29209

I don't personally think Shantae has anywhere near enough "history" in gaming to make it in (nor Shovel Knight) but it's completely up to Sakurai's discretion what that "History" means. A completely fucking random character like Green Biker Guy from Megaman X is a straight up no go though.

Shovel Knight lost in the east

You have to ask what kind of gaming history Banjo has, he's spent the majority of his existence being completely irrelevant then getting a shitty reboot everyone hated before being dead again for another decade, yet he got in because of demand.

Basically if Banjo could do it I don't see why Shantae can't, it's really just up to Sakurai and whether or not he sees her as a viable fighter. :Luckily she could be one of the most unique additions to the cast if he really wanted to rep her proper so that's not much of a concern.

Banjo inspired a fuck ton of 3-D Collectathons, along with the recent resurgence of them on Kickstarter (some successful, most not). While Mario 64 pioneered the 3D Platformer genre, Banjo refined it to the Collectathon (and then DK64 fucking crashed it, but I love it all the same).

What has Shantae done? What series has been inspired by Shantae? What great leaps in game development have the games paved the way for?

Banjo is literally the mascot for collectathons, which while dead, are more alive now than ever (unfortunately).
Shantae is the mascot for games with tits at absolute best, and otherwise she's just another platformer.

>he got in because of demand.

He did. He was the most requested character in the entire Ultimate Ballot.

twitter.com/ssbunews/status/1037437559343865856?lang=en

Shantae is 6th. There's 4 characters to go before you get to her, with Waddle Dee and Issac being MUCH easier to deal with getting in the game, and Sora being a much bigger draw and far more popular character.

She's ugly so never.

That's not the official ballot dude.

t. low test

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Isaac is an AT and Waddle Dee would bring basically no hype for the Fighter Pass. And dont bring up Corrin from the previous DLC cause you're basically saying a blorb with Spear Kirby's moveset is as interesting and unique as a swordsman/woman with dragon blood in them giving them body modification abilities and water manipulation.

>Banjo not in
>"banjo is a fucking lit who cereal mascot never ever"
>Banjo gets in
>"Banjo was the definitive mascot of 90's era gaming"

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fan ballots if all we have to go off of.

>you're basically saying a blorb with Spear Kirby's moveset is as interesting and unique as a swordsman/woman with dragon blood in them giving them body modification abilities and water manipulation.

Yeah, if you've played Fates, you'll know that's exactly what I'm saying. Spear Borb > Corrin every fucking day of the week and twice on Sundays.

What would Yea Forums if Shantae were to get in?

Fucking yes please, not Shantae though, others would be better

Banjo is the grandpappy of collectathons, whether you like it or whether he's in the game.

Shantae is a fucking nobody.

Im not talking character wise or whatever Im talking moveset aesthetic and gameplay style in terms of Smash.

Corrin still beats Waddle Dee there too

The heel turn when a character gets in is honestly hilarious and the biggest example of why these threads are a massive joke

That's still really good for Shantae then.
>Banjo is in
>Geno has been cucked by Hero and in the clutches of SE despite Sakurai's wishes
>Issac has been denied by Sakurai three times now
>Sora is license hell (and also SE I think?)
>Dee could get cucked just because he's a Kirby character Sakurai didn't make

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Sakurai did make Hat Goomba
He debuted in Super Star

Playing Half-Genie Hero on Switch now. Almost at the end. If I get the bad ending, does it put me back in town so I can hand in the 4 items then do it again to get the good ending?

>Im talking moveset aesthetic and gameplay style in terms of Smash

Still the same. Waddle Dee can manipulate water, wind, electricity, fire, and ice with his spear, along with all the other basic shit it can do such as the Waddle Copter, pogo sticks, etc.

There's so much more Waddle Dee could do than Corrin.

>Geno
He's fucked and never coming back.

>Issac
Dead franchise, Sakurai doesn't write them off but does have an aversion to dead franchises.

>Dee
Sakurai made him, he's from Super Star.

>Sora
Actual IP is owned by Disney, who would very likely be open to having him in but that's a pretty much unprecedented licensing negotiation.

Without the spirit, her chances would be upgraded from "definitely not happening" to "almost definitely not happening."

Just like how Ice Climbers inspired a whole Ice Climbing genre! Or how Duck Hunt's one (1) game totally inspired modern FPS'. Maybe you refer how every Platinum game before Bayonetta did what the series already, only Bayonetta was a bit more off the walls. Oh but those are old characters, just like how Tetris, the Kunio universe and other old franchises are represented in Smash.
Just admit it dammit. Nobody has any idea what the thinking process is like for the Smash Bros character selections.

>Sora
Actually, to elaborate a bit:
Sora is 100% confirmed during an actual interview with Disney Japan's VP to actually be owned by Disney.

However, Square Enix and Noruma both are allowed direct input on how Sora is used.

So in order for him to be in Smash, there would have to be agreements between:
>Nintendo / Sakurai
>Square Enix
>Noruma (Separately from Square Enix)
>Disney

I see it would probably be the best choice for DLC, but holy fuck that's a licensing hell I can't imagine anyone wanting to go through.

youtube.com/watch?v=CV76QegRezE

>Dead franchise
But Banjo?
>Sora
Pretty sure he/KH is joint owned by Disney AND Square Enix, so that'd make it even worse for him, gotta negotiate with two companies for one character

about the same, I dont see her getting in over Shitmu cause 2hu is a popular indie series in Nipland
but she is THE most highly requested female people actually want, so who knows

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I don’t get how Sorafags get under the fact that he is owned by the biggest scourge in the planet!

We 100% know the basics, as he's told us, as the interviews above have sourced.

As I've already said, we don't know his actual metrics, and while I personally don't think Shantae's history or influence on gaming as a whole is notable in ANY way, I already said I have no idea what Sakurai's thinking.

Did you just not read the original post?

What even is this server

Already said he doesn't write them off, but he has an aversion to them, as he's stated in his interviews.

Sora in Smash would be the most difficult licensing any company has ever done, so the odds of it happening are pratically nil.

Low on this pas but really high if we get a season pass 2

>Did you just not read the original post?
Obviously not, I only wanted to complain.

Geno could be in, Square doesn't care about him and he is a spirit plus was Mii
Isaac and Dee might have a chance next game, Sora is fully owned by Disney but they don't do anything with him unless Nomura says so

Eh, that's fair.

So given just that one unofficial poll, its likely Shantae Geno and maybe Waddle Dee (really the toad of Kirby for the Fighter Pass? Even Plant was free for abit)

>Square was a total ass about Cloud in Smash, only letting him have 2 songs+victory theme
>Square likely only let Sakurai get so much leeway with Hero since they were heavily promoting DQ11S along side him

>to get Sora, Sakurai would need to battle Square and Disney for him
Some fights just are not worth it.
I feel if SE didn't care about Geno then he'd be in Smash already. Sakurai has wanted him for ages now. It seems like SE will only let Sakurai pick certain characters to put in Smash and leave the others to burn.

Whatever. I just think she could be really fun with her whole genie transform gimmick. She could be like 3 or 4 separate characters like Trainer.

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I like the idea of her having 3 transformations all with really limited use, like Harpy is only for recovering, Elephant is only for landing or attacking and Monkey is only for movement, but the crazy thing is no matter what direction they take her she'll still stand out, she just does that inherently.

Which is ironic, since her best game is the one without any transformations.

Honestly, transformations in Shantae are just unfun. I get the appeal and I like the concept, but the execution is severely lacking.

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Daisyis already in Smash user

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A spirit or trophy (NOT an assist trophy at that) is the outright most Shantae is ever going to get until maybe 5 installments from now when there's fucking nobody left to add.

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>Touhou belongs to a single person who isn't afraid to say "Fuck right off" to anyone he doesn't like or want to deal with
To be fair, ZUN just worries about his characters being properly represented. Sakurai is already worried about that so it's a match made in heaven of two passionate shmupfags.

Oh, I think if ZUN and Sakurai worked on her together, everything would go well.

But Sakurai's already said that he rarely meets with whatever representative from the other company himself, and if he does it's only for 1 or 2 brief sit downs, then it's back to work for him.

ZUN isn't just going to hand over creative control like Sakurai wants - Sakurai does get the final OK from any 3rd party whenever they're finalizing something, and he'll redo it if they request, but ZUN would want to be far more involved than just stamping an "Approve" or "Not Approved" symbol on a finished fighter.

Its just a few Taiko games and Nintendo chose the DLC, not Bamco

>But Sakurai's already said that he rarely meets with whatever representative from the other company himself, and if he does it's only for 1 or 2 brief sit downs, then it's back to work for him.
Not saying you are full of shit but I would like to see where you got that info.

>Not saying you are full of shit but I would like to see where you got that info.

That's fair. It took me a moment to find it.

nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-working-with-third-parties-on-smash-bros-characters/

>There are cases where I will meet with the original creators myself once or twice, but in general communication is carried out through Nintendo.
>In addition, it wouldn’t necessarily be the original creator I would meet – rather like how I was directly involved with the Kirby series, but don’t know about other projects now.

Oh, and then there's this:
>Character movements are also developed with a Smash Bros. style first. The end result from this is then passed on for review by the other companies, so they can point out any problems for us to fix.

So essentially, Sakurai gets the OK to work on a character, they make product A, then get Company Y to approve it or send it back for fixes. Then they make product A.2, then repeat the process over and over until the character comes out.

So Company Y doesn't get creative input outside of approving or not approving the final product, which I don't feel ZUN would be down for (though I could be very wrong).

I see. Well, in ZUN's case it's all owned by one guy so maybe they can communicate more easily. It's not like ZUN absolutely needs to be in charge anyways, the fighting games are done by different people and he just oversees it to make sure they aren't doing anything stupid with the IP, I can see things working out the same way with a DLC development.

Hmm, so it all comes down to whenever or not ZUN would trust Sakurai to make the character in the first place.

Pretty much, yeah. If he does, I think Touhou's a shoe-in.

If not, then either Quote, Steve, Rayman, or Sans will be the last character.

You cannot be anti-Shantae and have a wishlist this fucking garbage.

>Edward McMillian,
You mean Edmund McMillen? He's still making DLC for the Nicalis-released Binding of Isaac: Rebirth.
Everything else sounds pretty bad though

0. she has no moveset potential because she only has one or two moves in her "Games"
shit character. move along

Not my wishlist.

I just want Rick/Coo/Kine from Kirby.

Quote is due to being the grandfather of Indie games.
Steve is due to Minecraft showing up on Switch, and would be a massive draw for Smash Bros. sales, and Nintendo konws it.
Rayman is because Nintendo has been in bed with Ubisoft for a while and it would help to promote the new Rabbids game.
Sans is because Nintendo has been issuing DMCA requests to Youtube for Undertale music tracks - Which is fucking weird, because Nintendo has no rights to Undertale, unless there's something else going on.

They may pull someone else entirely, such as a LoL or Starcraft character, or someone like Sora, but those seem the most likely for now.

You have a source on Nintendo taking down Undertale tracks? I googled it and only got a Reddit post about one case.
And besides, I'm pretty sure false take down notices filed by people who aren't who they say aren't the most uncommon thing. If you have some info on why this is definitely an actual thing happening though, I'd love to hear it.

Cave story got nothing on World off Goo as the grandfather of indie games
also Steave and Sans, for real?

>World of Goo
>Grandfather of Indie games

KEK

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Shantae never ever

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