Character Hate Thread

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I've never had much trouble with Ridley. I haven't seen very many people who can play well with him either. Anyone who can pick up Ridley and do a good job deserves to be commended for their efforts as well as their contribution to his overall playerbase. He's finally in Smash and no one plays as him.

The only characters that really get on my nerves are the ones that allow players to camp to some kind of extreme. If you play as MegaMan and Simon you can't get upset if I out spam you with Pichu. I've had a Mega Man kick me for shutting down his constant spam.

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GIT
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I can't take this anymore. His normals are insane and his dash attack is DK tier. I can't hit this fucker during the up smash. My airspeed is so fucking slow that Nikita can basically end me if I can't reach him. If I spam my side B there's ALWAYS a grenade near him ready to ruin my day. He can recover from the deepest depths of hell also why the fuck does his up tilt kill hes basically Link without a sword but on steroids. I cant approach for shit. THERE THERE THERE THERE THERE THERE THERE. Ice Climbers autist here, please help me bros.

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I feel as if every Samus I've encountered online goes out of their way to fight as less as they possibly can. It's gotten so bad that even the Zelda players I've been encountering are omega brained in comparison. I can't blame Samusniggers, especially since the Smash team took all of her options from Melee to Sm4sh away and replaced them with bomb shitting and charge shot spam that's hard as fuck to fight online.
When I was just a lad, she was one of my favorite characters in Melee. It hurts so much, bros. I just want her to be good and big brained again.

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If you play Wolf or Fox you're automatically getting blocked and reported.
Tourneyfag wannabes, every single one of you.

These threads always expose who's garbage at Smash.
Ridley, Ken, Mega Man, Samus, etc. most of them aren't busted at all.

>please help me bros.
Cant. Snake is an absolute hassle to play against. Fighting against him in an uphill battle unless you have enough spam to negate his camping. I main Bowser, so I don't know if that matchup is in my favor or what, but it's entirely possible to win if you don't give him a chance to do much.

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I never said Samus was busted, I just said she was annoying, and I'm pretty sure not many would disagree with that statement.
I just want her to be fun again, god dammit. I want my good samus back.
You wait for him to get nerfed in 7.0

>Character hate thread

Wojak.

You sound like you're assuming Smash is only played in 1v1 format. Have you ever tried playing a FFA with a camping Samus or MegaMan? If the player is even half decent it can give anyone enough reason to get upset.

ITT: Shitters who can't adapt

Stop getting mad at video games

>dude invincible up-b with a fuck huge grounded hitbox that combo's into his aerials, lets him recover from the bottom of hell and doesn't put him into special fall
You can't touch the shield of this retard character without him pressing his panic button.
Fuck this asswart of a character.

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If you're playing a FFA, you're going to have to deal with the fact that random shit is going to hit you.

Don't run up to his fucking shield then, user.

I don't have trouble with really any character even if I play what everyone says is a piece of shit. It's all about adaptation.

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Ken actually got a pretty busted 0 to death in a buff recently

That's true. It's pure chaos, but anyone who camps and spams ruins the fun. Mostly because people will defend them.

I can't and everyone does at some point.

I fucking hate her and Samus's grabs so much, I rank it next to Bowser command grab and Zelda's shine when it comes to most obnoxious fucking shit to deal with in lag

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What do you think about counter moves during lag? I've always considered it to be the most free and bullshit move possible.

Samus’ grab is slow though. I know this because I struggle to grab most of the cast OoS before they reverse punish me. Also, at , I only shoot stuff when people are off stage or trying to bait me into whiffing repeatedly. Despite this, I almost always eventually get ganged up on because of winning most matches. Some are pathetically unsubtle about it and still lose when they try to do a 2v1v1 during a FFA.

Joker's is ridiculous with the way he can control how long it goes but most counters have such massive endlag that even in full second lag I can punish if before they can act. granted the only non retards I have ever seen use counters were Joker and LM so I cant speak much on it

>I almost always eventually get ganged up on because of winning most matches.
Same here. Being good in a FFA just paints a target on your back. I still don't understand why people open up rooms for veteran and elite players when they can hardly play the game. Sometimes I even get kicked for being good. I won't even be spamming or anything.

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aggresive megaman>campy megaman

The only character I can't stand is Snake. I just can't beat him. He's like my fucking kryptonite. Even if you get past the spam his tilts are fucking ridiculous and his dash is a nightmare online

Fuck I hate Snake. I can deal with Joker, I can deal with Olimar, but I can't do Snake

This. Mega Man's my favorite zoner in the game simply because he's best played aggressively. Aggressive zoners are amazing.
I hate to rosterfag, but I can imagine Doomguy playing a lot like that desu

The one character I have issues with is DK and that's mainly because he can jab out of dash attack, and it always catches me off guard. Plus cargo throw kills me early as fuck if I don't tech it.

I main DDD and I swear this fatass is like kryptonite to Snake mains. I have never lost to one in 300 hours of play and I have never got a rematch where the snake didnt immediately swap characters.

He was a little of both, he was camping and getting cheap shots during a FFA up until we were the only ones left. That's when he starts zoning a little more, but for the most part he was just spamming. I started angling my neutral B so that it would cut through his ground moves and give me an opening. He ended up K.Oing me with an uppercut and kicked me right after. Anyone playing as Mega Man has lost their right to complain about spam.

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Based RidleyChad shitting on seething autists.

Fuck Ganondorf. He's not even good and yet for some reason spill my spaghetti and get fucked by him every single time. He's so fucking stressful and intimidating and if you screw up once you're dead. I'm be ashamed to admit how often I've died to his fsmash

> ridley is OP
what dogshit character are you using that's both so light they die early and so slow they can't combo fucking RIDLEY?
Literally any light character can keep Ridley from getting an attack off with some kind of air pressure, and any heavy can keep up with him in the launch department. If you lose to him, you're just shit.
Fuck off, ACfag.

Back in Sm4sh, these threads were always full of people whining about RosaLuma. I miss those days. They massacred my girl.

chainsaw tilts side B is the super shotty, neutral is a gun, up b is jump pads down b cycles through weapons for his neutral b.

get good moron

Ganondorf is just a less shit Little Mac, if you play his game you get fucked but if you play like a pussy and keep him out he is pretty much doomed

>my side B
is that really all you guys do all day?
a single button press + a direction
why..

I hate posters like OP, who are shit at the game so they need to blame characters, or ways of playing said characters instead of practicing and getting good. I hope it's bait, but as I've seen unironic posts like that I can believe it. The people who complain about hero are just as bad.

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>He's so fucking stressful and intimidating
Believe it or not, that's exactly why people lose to him. Ganondorf is one of the few characters in the game who's as good as they are because of reasons outside of the game. Fight him as if he were any other opponent. Once he attacks, he's completely open. Combo his off stage, then edge guard. Be sure to rock crock if he hits you with his up b.

Not a correct comparison because Ganon is best in the air. That's where his real assets are.

Honestly, yes. It's just too useful. I know all the jank and the grab combos but it's impossible to do it on Snake because of the land mines and his normals that makes it an ass to approach. My other specials are both slow and don't do much

All of Ganon's aerials actually kill and are dangerous tools that he can use to edge guard/cover approaches. Little Mac's best aerial is his nair which is just ok for getting out of combos with. He cant do anything else aside maybe follow up with forward/back air sometimes or poke platform campers with up air.

I expected you to get mad and defend the game
but I didn't expect to respect your answer enough to quietly fuck off as a defeated user
cheers m8 hope u have fun and gl in ur matches

Joker sure is balanced and fun to fight

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>shitting on Ridley
>for being OP
Are you for real? I'm a Ridley main and he's suffering, ESPECIALLY online!

Snake is low tier, LTG said so

>I'm a Ridley main and he's suffering, ESPECIALLY online!
Ridley's my secondary right now. I don't see how this is true. He's a very solid character in my opinion, I'm very thankful he got buffed.

Samus Ian really fun though, Charge Shot movement makes her one of the trickiest characters in the air in the whole game besides the Mother Kids and joker’s Gun bullshit

Is there any situation where the Ice Climbers down B is useful? It seems like the most useless special in the game.

How good were his buffs anyway?

>Running away from the opponent the whole game is fun
No thanks. I like to actually fight people when I play Smash. I'll wait for her to get a combo game again.

When using Desyncing it’s one of the most potent ledge trapping and walling tools in the game

How do you guys feel about Jigglypuff? I know my brother hates her and thinks she's annoying to fight against.

She has a combo game, it just relies on CS this time. Charge shot into grab into upair chains, charge shot into dash attack, charge shot into RAR bair, or downthrow at lower percents

You aren’t even running away the whole game, if you play samus right you’ll just be picking your time to head in.

Can I get some Ness tips? I feel pretty confident with him but I was wondering what I could do beyond fair and pkfire/thunder spam. I've seen top tier players use magnet for movement but I'm not sure how it works

I'm thankful for his buffs too, but I still endure pain playing him online. Projectile spams, auto-combos and sword fighters are hard to deal with.

I don't hate any character in the game after I accepted that they all have absolute bullshit and I have absolute bullshit too. Currently I have no idea what to do about people who use luigi/dr mario/rob spin2win as a panic button constantly. Do I seriously have to never try to combo them and just bait it out constantly? It's super hard to not accidentally fall into anyways.
As a Corrin main fighting Ridley is fucking hilarious, his sweet spot takes up half the stage. I can instant pin him from miles away, he runs straight into showerballs, his side B has enough start up lag that I can chainsaw him into F smash on reaction and he eats aerial combos for days.

I don't understand why people play samus if they aren't going to try to access that movement. She's ridiculously boring.

When they're desynced. Down B actually absorbs projectiles like Link's arrows and outranges swordies. When they're desynced you can alternate between them and anyone retarded enough to walk into it can lead into some insane confirms like uptilt upsmash. The downside is that you could jump over it but that just means I could up air you. But yes, synced down B is trash and leaves you very open.

Reminder that Plant is actually ok

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His upB starts up faster, moves faster, and goes farther. That alone blew his edge guarding game wide open since he can practicly recover from the blast zone now. SideB kills earlier and more consistantly, around 120%. Uair now prioritizes the sweet spot over the sour making it much more dangerous. I think there was something else too but I forget

Thanks user. Best of luck to you wherever you are.

her combo game sucks dude grab stops comboing into uair at 60 and so does uair. nair cant combo unless you get the weak back hit. Dair combos but is slow as sin and laggy same for utilt.

Charge shot combos are short. It's always the same cs into one other move and then done.
Her combo game is just so straight forward and uninteresting.

just watch bestness vids on loop

I see. So it was likely intended to be used for desyncing then.

Disgusting. At least in Smash 4 her combos were from actually confronting her opponent with a dash attack. Now her main combo starter is the charge shot. Great. I'm so glad they removed her combo game from Melee and replaced with le b button

Low tier at best.

That sounds great. I always felt as though Ridley's recovery could use a buff.

>Think about approaching a ZSS
>lmao down-b
I'm glad I main Mega Man, trying to hunt this bitch down with a rushdown fighter would make me want to die.

It definitely was not INTENDED to be a desync move, nothing about the Icies are really, considering the mechanisms for desyncing are kind of out there sometimes, but yes, utilizing desyncing with it makes it a very potent tool. Just watch out for strong projectiles like shadow ball or charge shot

Probably. It's been long enough that the devs know about desyncs and those IC combo videos on youtube, and yet they haven't patched it. The only thing they did in 4.0.0 was take away Nana's ability to ledge trump.

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nah i dont think plan for desyncs. I bet they don't mind if icies moves have desync applications unless if something broken or OP.

You can absorb energy based projectiles like full shadow ball, full charge shot, and even fucking Hero's fireball with a couple of ice blocks, it works on solid things like Link's arrows but it's inconsistent. It's definitely one of the reasons why I can tolerate Samus, Link, and Hero since with Icies you can rush them with side b and up air juggles. You can't stop Snake's Nikita with ice blocks, let alone approach him when a missile is reaching for your asshole

Up Smash hit box lasts longer, I think it was. Not a major buff, but still nice. I think more people are using his UP B as a viable kill move now. If you manage to get people into the air, it can kill off the top fairly early and it's priority on beating out projectiles is nice. Also the down version spikes, so it's a stupid good edge guard in his kit of already good edge guards.

I mean most characters’ combo games are gone from melee aside from specifically designed characters. I started from smash 4 and for some reason I was masochistic enough to be drawn to the shitty base smash 4 samus. I loved the dash attack buff as much as you guys, but in this game? Holy shit I can MOVE now, Charge Shot movement is amazing and can lead to incredible baiting options with wavebouncing and charge canceling, her upair can combo into itself in a way that makes it almost like smash 4 ZSS that can kill at low percents now, and you can combo multiple things off of bombs.

If you don’t like samus in this game that’s fine, Icymist dropped her too cause icymist only liked her for the specific midrange brawler playstyle samus offered. I just like her physics and the movement she offers.

>Mac in top 20
sick

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I miss her being able to shield break real easily off of bomb+charge shot.

You like samus as Icies? That’s actually crazy, most Icies players have stated they despise facing my samus because of her multiple options of walling them out and separating them. I’ve even taken games off Dynax online (but that’s probably just because Icies are extremely hard to play online)

Every character can move now. Ganondorf can move for fuck sake. I just want Samus to be good again. It hurts so much.

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Maybe it's cause they have low range and therefore considered low tier by top players, but any user could pick them up, spam side B, and learn some desync combos within a week. As an icies main the whole big brain thing is a meme.

Oh god don’t remind me, the projectile nerfs destroyed samus’ shield pressure. Sure we ended up getting better safety on shield with near full charge shot but we were theorizing so much on her shield break setups before the game released when we learned about the 35% CS dealt, it sucks.

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I only use upB to kill as a rare mixup or to punish people who forget it goes through platforms. Its still a bit to slow to avoide getting shielded most of the time. Read a roll with it though and its curtains, it feels like a smash attack

>Tea picked up Hero
He was already great to watch for his 200 IQ Pac plays, can’t wait to see what bullshit he does with Hero

>like smash 4 ZSS that can kill at low percents now, and you can combo multiple things off of bombs.
you could do both of things in smash 4, i will admit though bomb does have more utility in this game then in smash 4.

I don't know if I like her or don't. I'm really trying to find my groove with her like I did in smash 4.Outside of dash attack uair,and dtilt being different from 4 most of her kit has either stayed the same or has improved so she isn't that different its just I haven't found an interesting way of playing her yet. I really hope I do. I've mained samus in every game I don't want to drop her.

Don't get me wrong, zoners are always an uphill battle. If I can connect with even a dash attack or an up tilt, I can easily lead into a side B or an up air but only if I have both climbers alive. I think the biggest problem for me with Samus is when they're smart enough that they can spit out those small grenade ball things and thats when I leave it to them to approach. They're in the same tier as Snake's grenades.

Icies isn't big brained moreso high execution. The big brain for icies is in the lab finding optimal desyncs and situations to use them.

Bruh, samus IS good in this game, people sleep on her cause they’re all “no dash atak” and then YB and quiK at Prime Saga end up taking out Void, Ally, Salem, Wadi, and Esam with her.

Tbh she’s almost as good as she was in melee in comparison to the rest of the cast, but she may need a couple key buffs before she’s there again.

Here’s to hoping they roll back the charge shot nerf to at least the FULL charge, but then they might do that for Hero and... I’m not sure if I can handle Hero neutral b with full shield damage

What's even more bullshit is that it's ok for Hero to have several shield break options and for other sworides to have their own. Some of the balance decisions are pretty baffling if you ask me.

If you have full shield you can tank full charge hero neutral b.

Cannot agree more. I guess thats why it's always the japs and basement dwellers who are autistic enough to discover desyncs first.

The problem is, she's just not fun. I don't want to shit out projectiles the entire game while running away from my opponent. Every other zoner has a combo game but Samus, it sucks ass.

Imo Hero should be able to keep the honor of having the highest damage projectile but nerf the damage just slightly to like 37%, and then change the move so it’s not a multihit, nerf the charge time, and then roll back the nerfs to projectiles specifically to full charge projectile moves like Thoron, Charge Shot, shadow ball, Kafrizz, Sun Salutation, etc. That way Kafrizz is still the strongest projectile overall in the game, but can’t just be spammed to immediately break or poke shield.

This will give the other characters another method of shield pressure that should actually put mental pressure on the opponent. As a Samus, a full charge shot being imminent used to be a massive threat, now they’re just like “oh wait I can shield this lol” even though it takes over 2 full seconds to charge over time

>one tournament
*yawn*
call me when he's consistently in the top 3 in multiple tournaments.

>every other zoner has a combo game but samus

Like what? Most of them have combos that start off of their projectiles just like samus.

gee it's almost like balance isn't a priority for what the developer views as a party game

Also, samus does have good tools up close, you don’t have to just stay back and shit out projectiles all the time. Check out Waves on Twitter, one of the most stylish and tech heavy samus out there and he’s in the opponent’s face a lot. He’s on the cusp of being a top player though since he does lose to Pelca the snake a lot, but he’s damn good.

I think one of the best ic labbers is an ausie and the best icie is a leaf, but I can't name a single jap ic.

Jap Icies are a lot of the main labbers but the best Icies player is Big D

not him but while others zoners also combo off porjectiles too they also get longer combos. Look at pacman he can fruit into fair a dozen times. But samus' can maybe cs, get a grab and do a fair or an uair at best .

you mind linking him?

I know I'm just going to get meme responses. But Hero is proof that Sakurai wants to make a coinflip simulator with explosions and not an actual video game.

Murasat and harasen to name a couple.

We've known that since Brawl. You know? 11 Years ago.

Fucking what? I have never seen someone complain about Ridley
Git gud kid

RNG based characters aren't a new concept for fighting games. But yes, Sakurai specifically created Smash to be a party game regardless of people enjoying it competitively so it's kind of dumb to get upset about these sorts of things

Big d and dynax are probably the most worthwhile guys to watch. Jap icies like the two I mentioned seem to rely heavily on desyncs.

Smash is a worse party game than it has been in the past. Many of the casual elements detract form free for all matches and have been since Smash 4.

>play Simon and Mega frequently
>play like a rushdown retard
>actually do pretty well with Mega, get my ass kicked as Simon almost every time
Its ok because I'm having fun though

If I have to endure these changes to play a game with characters that I enjoy then so be it. I'm pretty sure you can gain GSP from free for all matches too.

Nobody likes other M, and I prefer a taller, burlier samus without the bodysuit. But ZSS still has a neat fighting style and the rocket heels are unironically cool. You could put those things on Captain Falcon and they'd still be cool.

This. Link, Zelda, R.O.B., Ivysaur, Dedede, Pac Chad, and unironically Isabelle all have many reliable combos that don't require projectiles. With Samus, you're basically vomiting charge shots and hoping your opponent is dumb enough to run into it.

The character I hate the most in this game is scrub.

You don't know this character? It's comfortably situated at the very bottom of the tier list.
Its special moves are bitching about characters neutral B, Not gitting gud Up B, Crying for nerfs down B and bringing personal feelings into competitive Smash Side B. They are all garbage moves that only stall the game and make the experience unfun. Worse, it's the most prominent crossover character because it's in every fighting game in addition to Smash as well. It's a terrible fucking character that should seriously shut the fuck up and get to practicing instead of being a little salty ass punk bitch.

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This character better be the first off the chopping block for the next game

Simons normals are way too slow to rushdown with. He has no real good answer to swordies aside from just throwing out projectiles. His best approach options have to be his cross and angled aerials, but I find angled aerials hard to pull off with the c-stick.

How the fuck does someone get salty at Ken of all things? There are characters that frustrate me, like getting caught up in Pikachu combos or outranged by Ike or getting punished for a small misstep with a Hero Neutral-B, but if a Ken actually does well against me it's plain impressive. I could never play a character like that with all the inputs personally, and it's kind of cool to watch what they can do, even if I'm the one getting whooped.

It's cool if you like those characters. I guess my big issue is when they get upset over spamming or pretty much any reason. I've fought a Simon who decided to close his arena after I switched to villager and stole his holy water. His entire strategy crumbled without it.

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KANTOOOOOOOOOOO

Are they good, should I watch a couple of their matches?

No way, are you really getting salty over people getting salty?

I play Ken and thought I was playing him decently until someone online fucking schooled me using my main (ganon).
Ken has somereally fucking bullshit frametraps I didn't know about and can, apparently, jablock you for some fucking insane combos that are nearly impossible to DI out of. I got fucking destroyed and couldn't take a stock despite fully focusing. I was left in a very intense wtf moment.

Not even mad, though, that just means I can get much better with Ken. You don't deserve to cry about Ken considering he takes tons of dedication to get good with.

I haven't watched much of those two, but Murasat is okay considering there aren't too many matches with him on jewtube. I only know Harasen by name.

Fine then, campaign with me to buff samus

No, but they really should shut the fuck up. This very attitude is the very thing preventing them from improving consistently.
All that matters in a match is the match and what is happening in the match. Disrespect is just a distraction and getting mad at characters is a useless endeavor that takes your mind away from figuring out how to beat the character's bullshit.
Learn matchups, learn counterpicks, learn advantageous stage selection. Theses are far better than "waah waah big mean top tier beat me again!"

ken is pretty annoying dude personally I find him more scary than anything. Getting taken from 0 80% so quickly, getting stuck in shield against his tilts, and then shoryuken which kills extremely earlier. Just feels unfair or annoying watching them spam shoryu over and over again. You know to avoid but you still get hit.

don't know if know, but unless you're in tumble you can't DI at all. That's probably why you can't escape.

That's all I ever wanted :')

Nah, theres no point. Ninty doesn't care for our opinions.

I see what you mean user. It's really difficult for most anons to understand that especially when balance isn't really tailored specifically to cater to fighting game autists, so they mostly just screech overpowered and call it a day. Or maybe it's because most of 4/v/ is full of redditors that only know how to do that.

I hate this character for being so fun to play but having so many terrible matchups

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He really only needs a recovery buff to me. Some more tornado travel distance, or even just a little vertical distance to his up B would do wonders.

The only character I hate is the character that runs away from me throwing projectiles the whole game
It's not that it's a difficult "strategy" to overcome, just very boring and tedious and drags games on much longer than it should. Back in Sm4sh days if I played against someone that would do this, I would beat them and switch to Villager and run away spamming slingshot until the time ran out
I like to think it accomplished something and maybe they became self aware of what they were doing, but I doubt it

If he had mobility I wouldn't complain about his lackluster recovery. I'm not asking for him to be as fast as Mario, I just want him to be able to move.

>No moustache

More mobility would buff his recovery in return so that's a given. Also fixing his up-tilt so it actually hits grounded opponents would be great. Those are the only two things I want.

Don't hate this character but the irony of Samus being a better character without her powersuit will never sit right with me.

There's not a day it doesn't bother me.

This

I was really excited for Hero because I thought I'd be able to pick him up as a secondary and his Bounce would fuck zoners all day every day, but I ended up disappointed that his down B was randomly generated. At least he has insane kill power and amazing projectiles to make up for it.

I'm right.

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Snake is #1 in the game no matter how much shitters will try to convince you otherwise. He can just kind of bullshit his way through every matchup in the entire game without having to alter his gameplan too dramatically.

They could buff her in almost 10 different meaningful ways that would all make her better and I know they won’t do any of them

1. Lower lag or startup on missiles
2. Give missiles a hurtbox OR and ACTUAL EXPLOSION HITBOX like all other explosives
3. Dash attack buff to double down on its shinespark inspiration and make it hit hard as shit on STARTUP, not the weird fucking middle hitbox, or revert it to smash 4 dash attack
4. Take the second hit angle of nair and slap it on her old sex kick and keep the power of the new 1st hit
5. Give her A FUCKING MORPH BALL CRAWL
6. Fix zair so the second hit is more reliable
7. Buff dtilt so it’s either an actual kill move at like 140%, make it a combo starter, or buff ftilt startup to frame 6 so people don’t use dtilt as the fastest option and stale it out
8. Make upair not be the only move in the game with a NEGATIVE HITSTUN MULTIPLIER
9. Oh also jab

And fix her FUCKING MULTIHITS FOR CHRIST’S SAKE

>PT
>Balanced
Boi, Ivysaur is the HITBOXES meme personified.

Could you have outed yerself as a noob any harder?
Ridley is shit and sorely needed those buffs. They’re probably the last ones he’ll ever get

Nah that’s hero

Damn dude you don’t play enough Samus.
They aren’t near as bad as Links

It's already the year 2001+18 and they still haven't fixed Nana's AI. I think Marth doesn't really need any buffs other than perhaps making the tipper more rewarding to space for. I also think 4.0.0 really fixed the Pits by giving them some buffs on their main kit and also making down smash an okay kill option. Other than that, this list is alright.

Ivysaur already got nerfed.

Hero is both a zoner fucker and a zoner himself
Haven't played against him enough to have a hate for him, but there's always so much random shit going on with him, it's hard to know what does what

>pit
Are you kidding? Im having a much easier time playing Pit after this last patch.

Hero is balanced. His ridiculous specials are balanced out by his slow normals.

Young Link is absolutely based af. Z-drop bomb combos are some of the most fun I've had with Smash in a while

I hate Sonic. He's the only character I actually hate playing against.

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That's awful to hear. Maybe I'll take up Game and Watch or one of the Mother protagonists as a secondary.

Samus needs a full rework if they want her to be good at anything but laggy online matches.

I want it to hit on both sides again

I love her but many hate her playstyle.

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>#1
#2, second only to Joker.

>Luigi
You, I hate the most
Does your finger ever stop mashing the A button or do you have a script that NAIRS for you after you get everytime?

after you get hit*

Me too user. Just make it faster as well and it'll be Christmas every day.

I'm not sorry

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Never said he wasn't, I just said his side b should be a projectile.

If fucking only. Playing against Inklings as Gdorf is an experience akin to living in hell.

Glad I main Lucas, playing the PSIkids against Snake is fucking hilarious.
F-smash and Upsmash are absorbable, off stage Nikita is a joke, grenades are delicious.
Seeing them get frustrated and trying to roll into me or using their ridiculous framedata jabs and tilts is funny when I play the keepaway game.
Against a really good Snake player the matchups are of course not nearly as one-sided as I've described since they can just bait and punish you at the right time for trying to absorb but still, I've managed to climb to Elite Smash in one day getting matched to Snake shitters constantly.

Are you STILL trying to push this shit? He's a solid mid tier now after his buffs but you trying to rewrite reality is never going to work. You antifags need to accept that you were wrong about Ridley being impossible.

People really think Samus isn't good in this one? She's a very strong mid tier to me, maybe even bottom of high tier. Great movement with b-reversing and bombs

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Snake is better Joker. He has less losing matchups and has way more cheese.

I mean she IS good offline, in fact samuses that utilize her new movement options like wavebouncing and b reversing get a power up offline, myself included. I can’t stand playing samus in the traditional way, the new shit she can do is fantastic.

Like, for most characters, b reversing and wavebouncing is a niche option to get out of disadvantage but samus can use it to bolster her neutral to new heights with the threat of charge shot, makes her neutral one of the strongest in the game especially when combined with charge canceling, shit makes her extremely non committal

But that shit is hard and I don’t have Japanese hands so I can’t do wavebouncing consistently

Fuck all anti rushdown characters in general but especially fuck Joker, Samus, and those annoying flowchart PTs seriously

*better than Joker

That’s what I keep telling people but they’re all convinced samus is low tier trash, and if that’s the case, fuck it, gimme buffs

How would you fix Falco?

Asking for a friend

Samus players will complain for buffs even if she's high tier. She hard counters my main so it looks ridiculous to me.

You just shoved OP back into the locker where he belongs.

You're really convincing me here user. Should I just give up all hope and pick up Ness? Is there a big difference between Ness and Lucas other than lack of pk fire trapping and added tether? Spamming side B is not going to be hard for me when you're coming from icies.

bind special to a bumper, press special and hold opposite directions on the sticks. Bam your bouncing

I'll gladly take a zair fix and jab combo actually working, while you're at it make super missiles actually have some form of application that charge shot doesn't cover

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give him his melee dair back
fix his f-air hitbox
His f-air in Sm4sh was one of the few redeeming qualities he had

>Playing K. Rool
>I clearly can't deal with squirtle
>PT switches to Ivysaur when I'm at 50% anyways.

Absolutely not. Joker is far faster and can play rushdown on top of being a campy shithead. Snake is good, but he's not "kills you at 20 because he had the Mean Red Man out" good.

>Sakurai

You're blaming the wrong dude. He's no longer in charge of the balancing.

Who do you play?

>melee dair back
never ever that shit was dumb

If you ever fall for Doc or Luigi’s Tornado you should probably evaluate yourself. Directional air dodge if in the air, and shield if on the ground. Those moves suck so bad you can punish them with most f smashes. As a ROB main though I can concur his side b is bullshit

Nerf Stinkling

I can b reverse just fine, it’s wavebouncing I have trouble with

Celebratory Ridley made it thread since OP's been blown the fuck out? Has that image of him mid nair giving the viewer the finger with both claws cropped up yet?

>Flip my shit at the reveal.
>Not some fake reaction on youtube either just legit hype pouring over my body.
>Want to make him my main but concerned I won't like his play style.
>Fall in love with it and have so much fun gimping people off stage.

Until I got into Ridley I honestly never thought of going off stage to get KO's. I'd always only wait near the ledge. As Ridley I do both but going off stage is so much damn fun. He's not too bad after his buffs but I think a few more could really solidify him.

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Yeah in a game like this it'd be way too strong, Melee is a more combo-oriented game

I can't fucking handle playing against Inklings. I don't think I've ever beaten one online, and I have several characters in Elite. Those filthy fucking cephalopods are the bane of my existence, no matter who I play, from Kirby, to Ganondorf. From Mega Man to Bowser. I can never beat Inklings.

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falco is literal garbage though
giving him his melee d-air in a game where every character has ridiculous recoveries wouldn't really break him but give him SOMETHING
I literally dropped Falco in this game because of how much better Wolf is

I hate that she got in over Dark Samus. Metroid got so shafted until Ultimate.

God damn user I think I've seen you ask for this pic for close to a year now, it makes me curious enough to want to see it myself

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This
>Falco main, he starts Squirtle, gets his ass handed to him, switches to Ivysaur. Falco can't do SHIT against Ivysaurs kit, switches to Charizard to finish stocks off anyways.

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Brother

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>im mad we got a new character over a literal edgy clone

Daily reminder that even though Dark Samus got in, its theme STILL isn't in the game.

youtube.com/watch?v=9GZZfnFFVWM

How does Sakurai get off knowing that he added Dark Samus without including one of the best boss battle themes in Nintendo history? Is there any boss battle theme in Smash that's better than DS's?

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Most PT's think they can just flare blitz to victory because shitters never expect it

He's fine, it's just that his up smash is wonky sometimes. That's why I put him in move fixes.

Do people really think he's still shit? Ridley doesn't seem that bad honestly. Sure he's big and some characters just completely shut him out but he doesn't seem fundamentally broken like say, Lil Mac. Which is funny cause I know and can tell Lil Mac has some of the most problems of any character but I fear them whenever I come up against one. Like if they're playing him they're some serious Chads who actually like Punch Out or Lil Mac so they aren't fucking around nor care about tier lists.

Most Inklings I see on quickplay spam back airs until you're at kill percent, then they just spam roller and the occasional splat bomb. You can usually call out their back airs with a neutral air/up air in response, and I think you can shield grab them when they're using roller. I think they're only good cause the ink gives them insane damage racking potential. But don't give up, from one user to another.

Joker isn't better than Snake, bro

I ask like once every few months at this point because it's retarded to ask for in every thread. It's probably not even that impressive an image. It's one of those "It's a goddamn goal to find it now fuck me get out of my head." sort of things.

His up smash has been wonky since 4
Falco will never get the love they gave to Wolf

Better up tilt, slightly more range on shit like f smash and down smash, easier to hit sweet spot with fair and more mobility is probably the best possible outcome once the game stops being patched. Maybe more hitstun on down tilt for more reliable combos. He easily could be mid tier but there’s those stupid small things that’s preventing him from being decent

I agree 2bh
Ridley is busted and they need to take away his recent buffs and nerf him

I can't react to them online and I haven't played enough games against them to get a feel for when they'll do it. I'm not saying it's broken, just that it's giving me problems right now, I'm fully expecting to get over it as I improve. Fuck I unironically got bodied by bowser's fire breath a while ago and I had no idea what to do against someone who actually knew how to use it since nobody ever does.
I fucking love flare blitz spammers and I love that they'll keep doing it even after I counter them and even after it landing on shield leads to a sweet spotted f-smash.

Ridley's moveset is too basic for him to be fundamentally broken, which I'm glad for
He just needs a little help

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>Want to make him my main but concerned I won't like his play style.
>>Fall in love with it and have so much fun gimping people off stage
I went through the exact same thing. I was super hype but really worried that he'd be unfun to play, but then I tried him and it just meshed with me instantly.

Yo I was watching some clips from that tourney. That Dedede was sick, I aspire to have that pressure.

>main weapon delegated to his fucking side special
Nigga what? The super shotgun should be his main weapon used for all his A-moves.

I don't see Snakes winning any tournaments since Ally disappeared into the ether. Meanwhile MKLeo has been and will continue to dominate every tournament now that he's picked up Joker.

His f-air leads to drag downs at low percents/ DI-ing in, it also confirms offstage I don't think its that bad.

What literally broken is his up smash, every character falls out of it on platforms rendering a read useless.

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Thanks doc

>he's still complaining about Woomy

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Why do I suck shit at trying for up air kills? I mean I can get them but it seems more like I'm fishing for them rather than know what I'm doing. Should I jump up early and go for it? Wait until they get near the ground? It's really useful now but I feel like I'm not utilizing it like I should.

>Complaining about Ridley of all things

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Joker gets countered by characters who can camp out Arsene (Peach, ROB) or pressure him to the point where he can't do anything (rats, Megaman). Snake only loses to G&W and that's pretty much it.

Bowser's forward smash has way more range than you would think, but thats okay.

Little mac's forward smash has too much range. Its not okay.

Hell, all of the returning characters got amazing toolkits in this game. Snake, Pichu, Wolf, Young Link

it would be degenerate. Edge guarding would be so damn easy and so would landing. You just dair at the ledge whenever you're opponent attempts to snap and they'd get spiked. Landing? anyone without a sword gets beat out by his dair and can't juggle him. In shield? don't jump because that dair last forever and and is disjointed af. You just gave the character with the highest jump a free landing tool, combo tool, pressure tool and it doesn't fix his flaws or compliment/mesh his kit.

It's okay bro Stinkling is literally busted. Tweek and Big Leff and several other pros have gone on record saying this character is dumb and broken. You just have to pray they finally nerf it.

Have sex squidfucker.

>the character is carrying the player
Only shitters actually believe this.

IDK if you played 4 but it did the same thing in that game
Difference is in the hitbox
You have to be much closer to them in this game to get it to hit and most faster characters will just react and hit you before you ever touch them with it

I wish Samus's arm canon worked like Mega Man's and she could constantly fire energy balls. Also, why can't you switch beams in a similar way to Shulk's Manado Arts is beyond me. That should have been part of her character ages ago. Replace her dash attack with Speed Boost. Actually if Samus could anything she could in her own game she might not be so bad. ALSO fuck what they did to Dark Samus. They could have at least copy pasted her AT moveset onto her as an actual fighter now. She shouldn't at all be a Samus clone.

have you seen this?
youtu.be/3gbZJn8CHMk

Online’s shit. Just try and get better at reaction and DI. Online is full of shitters who abuse things that you can’t grasp yet.

Bowser Jr. needs move fixes, as his side B is literally unusable on any stage that isn’t battlefield or FD and he absolutely CANNOT grab ledges worth a damn.

Tbh it would probably compliment his kit very well with the uptilt combos he has, uptilt, late dair, uptilt, and they probably couldn’t escape as easily due to worse DI

If you fish for any move and your opponent is decent they'll likely notice and call you out or punish you for it
Ridley uair is best used for the very tight window of utilt-uair, or for when you down throw the opponent and they DI in.
I've also found it's good for when opponents are stuck in the air and go for a bad landing option

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>IDK if you played 4 but it did the same thing in that game

mained Bayo in 4 and only played on 3ds so...

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I have, but I love tilt stic far too much to switch, it’s like Bidou for me

I love this fucker

The secret to little mac is grabs. He can't counter or super armor them. They come out fast enough you can grab in the middle of his f-smash, he always wants to be at grabbing range anyways and you can just toss him offstage for a free kill.

>trying to grab out of shield with a tether character

Well no fucking duh you get hit, that's just something a tether grab character isn't supposed to be able to do.

What the FUCK is with Snake? How do I fight this character who can have hundreds of little, hard hitting hit boxes on the stage at once? One of which is basically invisible on certain stages, and kills extremley early. Not only that but his down throw can easily get follow ups, it’s basically an 80% chance his down throw will be a confirm due to his amazing up tilt.

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Just making Samus's appearance and moves all reference Prime like how adult Link mainly references BOTW would make me a happy camper

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>edge guarding would be so damn easy
The only difference it would make is that sour spot d-airs would still send you downwards(which you can still jump/up-special out of anyway like you could in melee)
This isn't melee, falco is NOT the fast monster he was in Melee and his combos are not the same.
His d-air is fucking awful and there is no reason to ever use it unless you're going for the sick D1sR3sP3cT

Woomy ain't broken

MKLeo carries Joker. Not the other way around.

you can wavebounce with tilt stick user. I do it.

Actually wait this is different than the c stick special setting video I saw, this looks interesting

>mained bayo
you fucking mons-
>only played on 3ds
oh you poor soul

Wait you can DI out of falco combos? I eat them for free because I barely know what DI is.

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How do you guys feel about captain falcon?

I despise fighting him but I probably shouldn’t

Yeah I'm glad he has no gimmicks. Like I don't mind a character having a gimmick but I really wanted to enjoy Ridley without any strings attached you know?

I'd have mained him regardless I just really hoped I had fun while learning him ya know? I'm no pro or anything and it feels like most of the time I'm just throwing shit out until it lands and then following up. The amount of fun I have going off stage though is insane. Like I've never wanted to go off stage before since it always felt off stage = bad. Ridley though?

>Fair combo someone to the blast zone and make it back to the stage.
>Nair a swordie when they're at low percents into the abyss.
>Uair someone recovering from above off stage into the stratosphere.
>Single fireball gimp right before they'd have made it back.
>Bair off the side into the bottom of the stage while they recover low.
Oh god muh dick. Meta Ridley altchads where we at?

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you can di out of falco's everything
there's a reason nobody plays him

REWORK KIRBY

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Used to absolutely shitstomp people with him in 4 but he feels different in this game and I'd rather just play Dorf anyway

ult doesn't have enough hitstun to combo into dair from uair let alone late dair. I like what you're thinking though and would love if they made it work somehow. but no melee dair its so dumb.

This but Mac

I hate Wii Fit Trainer. I don't think she's OP, but nobody uses her unless they know what they're doing, and they're always campy as fuck.

Respectable fighter. No projectiles, no bullshit, just a fearsome rushdown character on a mission to kick your ass. He just can't kill off of any aerial like Ganon can.

I haven't seen him at all after I got out from below 4 mil GSP. It's sort of like the reverse of low gsp zoners where all they do is run up to you and press buttons before you can think about anything; they can act faster because they aren't thinking at all. A quintessentially american strategy that fills my heart with freedom.

My main seems to just eat them for breakfast so I mostly just feel sorry for them

Ah yes the retarded shit for brains squidfucker who doesn't even attend locals or plays competitively except for wifi thinks he knows more than the 2nd best player of ultimate in the world and leffen.

This. WFTfags need to die because that all play like shitheads.

>Aerials for days
>Doesnt approach
>Just tries to keep you at bay
>tries to fish for kills and edge/ledge guarding
>Stalls for fucking time
>Always a 3 minute battle where nothing gets done
>Still manage to win in sudden death with a Falcon Dive cuz Shieldfags
>Still feel cheated

Holy shit this character isnt fun to fight.

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Ness has bread and butter combos that you'll learn in no time and you're able to be a lot more offensive with him on stage than Lucas, I don't need to mention PK Fire but PK Thunder is surprisingly great as well, being able to launch foes near you in order to setup for an Up air.
An area where Ness sucks is off stage since his recovery is mediocre and linear, he has an air dodge that's big enough to be used for mixing up recoveries but it isn't the greatest solution.

With Lucas, you really need to lab a bit before knowing what actually combos into eachother at what percent. PK Fire may not be as good for setting up like Ness but it gains crazy knockback being able to kill offstage at around 60%.
PK Freeze may be telegraphed but it's good for wasting someone's air dodge or baiting them to come near you since the move has short endlag so you can pull out a PK Fire or an Fsmash to catch someone off-guard.
PK Thunder 1 is a gimping tool, Lucas really shines at edgeguarding and being off stage since he technically doesn't need to get out there when his PK Thunder goes through people, doesn't disappear and can actually guide someone to the blastzone if you get good at maneuvering it.
Having the tether really helps Lucas mixup his recovery options since it actually has a long reach and his normal recovery is twice as big as Ness's. You'll rarely get straight dunked as long as you use these options
Lucas struggles at being actually offensive up close on stage against characters who have good aerials and disjoints. Lucas also just doesn't have tools like Ness's PK fire or Fair that can combo into anything. It's a lot of stray albeit it strong hits you're going to do until someone is off stage and then your gameplan actually begins.
There are advanced techs that involve his Zair but you'll really need to commit since those take a while to perform consistently.

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i can't comment on the state of his dair as it is right now, but melee dair aint the answer to it and neither is bringing back meteor cancelling that was dumb too. If I land a hit i expect my opponent to be in hitstun not jump out of it and fuck me over for landing it.

ult doesnt have enough hitstun for d-air to be anything but an offstage meteor, and if you get hit falco's meteor you deserve it
Can you still cancel his d-airs endlag like you could in 4 or is that gone now too?

>Buying a WiiU

You forgot the most annoying part
>n-airs more times in one game than most characters do in 10

The fact they gave Samus in less clothes a unique moveset while Dark Samus is a clone is complete bollocks.

>vs inkling
>1 stock 3 minutes final destination
>do anything
>they pull out the roller.
I fucked up one singular time. Gotta realize PVP is more about stopping the enemy from reaching win conditions than trying to force your own.

I love playing as him. He's so fast in the air and on the ground. Combos feel great. But he has his problems his jab doesn't work properly and his dash back is terrible. Those two things hold him back from being perfect for me and probably high tier as well.

He needs a turnaround buff, that animation legitimately kills him so badly

I main him. Falcon dittos are fun, even if your opponent is better than you. How come nobody else taunts at the start of a ditto?

I see. There is nothing more to say except thanks for the writeup, user. I'll lab them both for a bit and see which one is most comfortable to me.

Ike holds the record for nairs per minute.

that stuff is long gone. I miss it man. No move has that ability any more.

Literally never seen one outside of elite. Fuck these guys

>his jab doesnt work properly
oh shit it's melee all over again

based

>spectate a web Ken vs DDD fight
>D3 gets KO'd twice before pulling off a 3-0 reversal

We have much to learn from the nips

Luigi begs to differ

FPBP

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>it's gone
Press F
Goodbye birdman died well before his time

Who characters give you the most trouble as Ridley?

>Palutena
Just fuck her and not in a good way.
>Ness/Lucas
Fucking kill me.
>Joker
Joker himself is manageable but I really hate Arsene.

...Lol; Ridley is one of Palutena's worst matchups and if you think otherwise you're just bad

>play against a Link the other day
>goes about as well as you'd expect considering the Ridley v. Anyone-with-competent-zoning matchup
>I manage to bring it back and stay a stock up
>He knocks me off stage and tries to dair me when I recover low at like 30% for an easy kill
>I up-b and bounce him off the stage into the blast zone because he didn't tech
LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH

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Complele balance isn't a priority in all fighting games, it'll be boring if everything was balanced.

>Link going off stage for anything other than a z-drop bomb
Major shitter Link detected
Link's bomb is the best fuck you to low recoveries around it always amazes me to see people not use it that way

>this guy again

I'm happy for you, user. You deserve your favorite characters in smash.

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Care to explain?

Where the fuck did all the chroms go? I havent fought a single one in months

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This. I don't mind getting comboed by this fucker, as frustrating as it is dying at 60.

>snake
>nerfs
When was the last time a snake won a major?

Enough with this lame excuse, dude.

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>she can combo him like a number 2 at fucking McDonald's because of his stupidly huge hitbox
>has the tools to outzone him because his Neutral-b fucking sucks for zoning
>Ridley has to play on defense for most of that fight or risk getting nair'd/uair'd to death
Sounds to me like you just lost to a Ridley

I'm starting to get into Ridley after his buffs but I've never been the kind of player to try and guard off stage.

How do I up my air game?

Is there any more pathetic excuse of a low tier hero than Ridley chuds?

I can't wait to see what form of cancer banjo is going to be, or even better if he's not cancer at all and is actually fair and fun.

Didn't swordies get nerfed? Or did everyone just adapt and realize sword characters all have the same playstyle?

>Ridley has been trash since release
>People find out Hero is hard countered by Ridley
>People are suddenly seething about Ridley

GEE I WONDER WHO MADE THIS THREAD

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Not really. Same situation as K. Rool but they rightfully held back on nerfs. People just got better at the game and figured out how to deal with the pressure. Character that are very simple are never going to see much competitive growth.

Banjoke is going to be bottom tier like the plant

After they buffed his upB, Ridley's character really shines through in his playstyle now. Rushing down people with his amazing ground speed, throwing them completely off balance by mixing up attacks and side B, then chasing down the panicked foe with upB. If you play Ridley right, you're on the opponent's ass 24/7 and scaring the shit out of him.

Fuck nerfs the focus should be on making characters fun to play

There already should be at least one that's fun to play for you. The only boring ones are small brain zoners and even then they have levers for being big brained QP shitters just don't use them.

nair and fair both combo fairly well into tilts close to the ground

when in doubt, nair it out

don't be scared to go offstage and fair someone towards the blast zone, you have two extra jumps and up-b buffs made it even easier to get back

never ever ever dair offstage even for the disrespect, the only time you should ever be using that move is as a hard callout when someone whiffs an aerial or something and you know they won't be able to dodge it

>ice climber
theres your problem

He isn't. Ridley sucks balls and is probably low tier. Cope.

Depending on the stage, like for example battlefield, you can actually full hop dair off stage and still make it back as long as you have two jumps and up special. It's still not very good for anything other than a mixup edgeguard

My point is no character needs to be nerfed that just makes the less fun, just buff the bad characters

Implying ridley isn't shit

do i hear a ventlobby about to occur?

SMASH BROS GET IN HERE RIGHT FUCKING NOW

discord.gg/HwGPDKs

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discord.gg/HwGPDKs

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What are the smuggest win screens in the game? Ridley is definitely up there, as well as Wario's "I came here to laugh at you."

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Open an arena

i can make it if people are interested

I fuckn' hate having to catch (Dark) Samus on stages with platforms, not only are they heavy, have big normals and projectiles, but with bombs, catching their landings is way harder than normal. Their nair and bair are really big and are great at punishing people for trying to approach them while they waveboucne and b reverse all around the stage.

I played a Dark Samus in a tournament and had to lame them out with bomb spam because all they did was hop around the platforms and throw out projectiles from afar and do everything to get away from me when I got close, who enjoys playing like that? The match nearly went to time.

What? That MU is easily in Hero's favor, did you beat some scrub Hero player on QP and think that's just how the MU goes?

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Doc’s “rubbing the chin” victory pose is fucking dirty

Typical Ridley chud trying to act all macho. Shouldn't you be whining about buffs you sad pathetic excuse of a man.

Peach, I fucking hate her so much.

I can't say Nintendo doesn't do a great job at keeping faithful to a character's roots and implementing references well, I mean the Belmont bros are spot on and Richter's moves are almost 1:1 like his SOTN sprite animations, but some characters really got neglected hard and Metroid characters are amongst the most neglected.
I'd really want Samus to have a brief shinespark aura on her dash attack and, as you said, Missiles should have a blast radius and bombs should hover in place instead of being affected by gravity.

>first quickmatch game in a while
>been doing mostly arenas with people i know
>oh it's lucas, this should be fine
>if there was a bingo card for faggotry, this lucas would have every square ticked
>final hit is a dsmash at ledge because he can wall me out with that one move
>instantly home-button and close the software
you do not deserve to play online thank you very MUCH

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>Provides no valid points
>Implies I'm the worse player
Lol, I'm in Elite Smash on multiple characters champ. You probably just lost to a Palutena, too. Ridley outspaces her with ease, has a better projectile, and can kill her with a random F-Smash at 50%. Playing Palutena is a lot harder than you retards think.

>who enjoys playing like that?
Samusfags evidently. Samus is Smash Ultimate's Melee Jigglypuff.

speaking of bomb splat. How the hell does move that work? I hit sometimes and nothing happens and the other times it blows up in my face or bounces off.

Bombs actually working the way they do in actual Metroid games would be so fucking dirty, could you imagine. I'd honestly rather not have something that busted
But missiles having an actual explosion hitbox would be perfectly reasonable, Snake's grenades have that shit

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Nice dodge

>Samus is Smash Ultimate's Melee Jigglypuff.
I understate your hate but that is very inaccurate.

those taunts are hot ass.just bring back her melee one and change her other taunts to melee win poses.

Based and SpacePiratepilled

>"Awwww, did I wiiiiin~?"
>"You'll NEVER defeat me!"
>"I knew I'd win, hah!"
>*Ganondorf and Wario laughing like assholes*
>Ridley's smug-ass grin
>Doc chin rub

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come see me after if you want some practice

Luigi's entire gimmick is grab combos. That's a horribly boring character to watch.

Also I'm going to say the phrase. Zelda players are actual semencraniums. She's the perfect character because it's not like she requires brainpower, anyhow.

>recent Japanese tournament had several players bringing Plant and doing well with him, with one of them taking 2nd using only Plant

Ok keep pretending you understand the game and aren't just parroting whatever you're hearing from people who didn't play the character for more than a week.

>implying Elite Smash means shit when GSP is a fucking terribad system to begin with
but if it means that much, then surely you don't have a problem showing us a screenshot

Samusniggers purposefully avoiding opponents for as long as they possibly can like describes is very much like Melee Jigglypuff. This shouldn't yes.

>Woomy ain't broken

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Jesus christ

While it's true they're like this for a lot of MUs where they dont have to be, theres some like Fox where there's genuinely nothing Samus can do except try to get away when they're up close

The bar for minimum competence is having at least 20% of the rooster in Elite, it really isnt something to be proud of when 97% of players are retarded

Ganon's evil laugh that ends with a death stare right at you
Piranha Plant biting Mario's ass and then showing a shit-eating grin
Duck Hunt Duo is smug personified

>Faggot ass ganondorf combos me to 150% on K. Rool.
>Spike him when he's at 70% doing his shitty recovery
>Sudden lag spike
>Bot spawns in.
You don't know how much you make people's day when you ragequit.

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I see your comparison but ult samus is no where near as bad as melee jiggs. You want a campy character avoiding interaction play a pac who farms for setups the entire match.

nah that aint true samus can fuck fox up in cqc. She just needs to stay grounded and just out of dash attack range.

I wish Dark Sam had a taunt where Metroid Prime's face appears behind her like a ghost

Add Dedede’s obnoxious fucking belly laugh to the list of assholes

For there's no one as burly and brawny
As you see I've got kill options to spare
Not a bit of him's scraggly or scrawny
That's right

Splat Bomb is tricky but I'll explain it the best I can.

Splat Bomb has 2 modes, fully charged and not fully charged. A fully charged Splat Bomb will explode on impact as soon as it makes contact with you, however you can actually clank with it with a disjoint (like Mario's Fsmash) and it won't do anything except put you in hitlag for attacking it.
An uncharged Splat Bomb doesn't explode on contact, but it does set a timer off to explode shortly after making contact with any hurtbox. Because of this, it can harmlessly bounce off someone if the angle is right, even if they aren't shielding, but generally it will explode and cause damage as long as the opponent doesn't shield it.

When it comes in contact with the ground, it won't explode from proximity anymore and instead do it's normal explosion timing where it flashes and beeps, for some reason if you reflect it in this state, the timer will completely reset and it will sit still for a few seconds before exploding (and Inkling can't produce another bomb during this). Also the Mother boys can't absorb it either, I don't really get this part.

It's crazy that you're still at this, you've been begging for Inkling nerfs for nearly a year now, how badly did you get beat by Inkling to end up like this?

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>disliking character
>not disliking other character

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Hero sucks against aggressive people, especially heavies

Ridley's hitbox and air superiority makes him the better of the MU

>Daisy's victory screen isn't "HI IM DAISY"
missed opportunity
grab combos aren't boring as long as it's on a character that actually has to try to grab you.
I'm still mad they gave Luigi a ranged grab

>webm
Just adapt bro
Good shit.

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Every character's playerbase has a portion that's comprised of obnoxious bitches who think they're gods gift to earth
Dedede's entire playerbase is exactly that, I don't think I've ever played one who wasn't a smug cunt

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holy fuck that Cloud is bad

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made a lobby
>Saltlobby
>password: 123420
>ID: GG41D
>max 8 players

People whined about pichu despite the fact that she was fair and honest, wasn't dominating the meta, and was actually declining in use before they gutted her.

I reserve my right to demand nerfs for actual broken characters backed up by the opinion of actual top pro players and facts.

Not him but you can see Cloud consistently fell into those setups every time. He could have done anything but try and land with his laggy fair on an opponent who isn't blind

whys that move so complex? If it isn't full charge and they throw it at me should I just run past it? I don't want to give up my stage control and i don't want to be in shield either.

>they gutted Pichu
Speak for yourself, I'm still shitting on retards with based rat

It's cuz you're too slow bro, gotta go fast!

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Yea Forums census.

strawpoll.me/18506539

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There are bajillions of Samus players in upper elite, and they're all a pain in the ass to fight.

I forget, can we still lock our victory animations in this game

Inkling has never been nearly as bad as pre-patch Pichu, people overrated Inkling heavily in early meta but outside of Leffen I doubt anyone considers her anywhere near broken with Joker and Snake running around.
Name one player outside of Cosmos getting consistent Inkling results, for example.
If it's not fully charged it's likely not going to hit you from a neutral position since it requires a full charge to get a good angle. If you want to deal with it I would say running up and shielding it is the best option, alternately, if it's already hit the ground and you're fast enough, you can run past it before it explodes. Splat Bomb is a very good move though so you should respect it.

They're the only ones who have an online taunt so of course they have an air of unearned regality

I mean shitting on people on wifi doesn't mean much. Just like the squidfucking bigger who likes to post his Stinkling webms of him shitting on five year olds to look cool.

In actual competitive results Pichu fell hard. She went from being top 10 results wise in phase one of OrionStats to falling g to #42 in phase 2.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJs-mj5TTdkmkl7nhj4twJymVPTLTUdT0MBToL1cxDs/htmlview

Mind you even in phase 1 she was already declining pre-nerfs. 3.1 killed her competitive wise.

By using the directional pad? Yes, every animation is tied to a specific direction and you can still get it if you hold that direction down early enough after "GAME" pops up

Good Ness players in tournaments are alright, but Online Ness players are stupid as fuck.

Tweek has said multiple times that the character is broken and so has the other pros he's spoken to.

based ridleychads

>finally get through his grenade spam and hit him
>oops, teehee, I was holding a grenade
>explosion resets neutral, or worse

>BIG
>GAY
>FIRE
>runs up and grabs
>runs up and smashes
>camps at ledge fishing for back throw
>has never heard of down-b in his life
>flounders like a fish out of water offstage because he doesn't actually know how to use Ness/Lucas recovery
>chases with PK Thunder whenever you're in the air regardless of where you actually are or if you dodged it

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If the character is so broken how come she's completely absent from most major tournaments? And don't give me that "because pros can play around her broken-ness!!!" because other genuinely broken characters were always present, like Hoo hah Diddy, 4 Bayo, and fucking Meta Knight..

And yet zero results to signify this.
I remember the old argument used to be that "Inkling was getting better results than Smash 4 Cloud and Bayo" but Joker blew this shitty argument wide open.
Now you're just using theory crafting from Tweek, the guy who just happens to live with Cosmos, the only notable Inkling main.

Until we see Cosmos or some other Inkling main take multiple grand finals like MKLeo's Joker, or 3 different Inklings in several top 8's like with Snake and Olimar, there's still no real proof Inking is broken.

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Holy mother of based. Fuck wojak.

>I mean shitting on people on wifi doesn't mean much
90% of the playerbase aren't competitive tourney fags
Nobody in this thread is a tourney fag
Stop ranking characters based on the opinions of people you'll never get to play with or against

Bruh there was five Stinkling niggers in top 32 of smashfactor 8 which was major. All the notable Stinkling players are outside of the US and Japan

>Top 32
Ah yeah, where the most broken characters can be found.
How many of them made it to Top 8, again?
How many showed up at EVO, biggest tournament of the year?

>Wojak and Wojak edits get banned
>children get pissy and start spamming every board with them as hard as possible
>mods have to do their jobs and start permabanning these faggots

I have a VPN, good luck faggot

>dash attack over their PK fire once and they never do it again in a set
>dash attack over their grab and they never go for it again in a set
>recovery attack though his PK thunder, killing him instantly and ensuring he never tries it again in a set
>watching them hopelessly spam aerials in place and lose all aggression after being completely mind broken

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Based mark walberg giving us not only god tier rap, but also exemplifies how good Samus is in Ulti

Man y'all sleeping on PT

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netplay trainers are all retards so nobody ITT is going to be assblasted by him

Lmao people still crying about Inkling lmao

Reminder that the based Japs put Inkling at the bottom of high tier and as a gatekeeper from mid to high tier. Character is hella overrated

It's not often a Samus has to be the one chasing the opponent across the stage
I at least got 1 vivi

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thanks for the tips user. I'm gonna fuck up some squid kids.

Is the lobby full? My joycons just got back from repair and I'm itching to play.

>tfw can't even stay above 1,000,000 gsp no matter how hard I try
>get uncontrollably frustrated when someone clearly outmatches me and telegraphs all my moves
>tfw punch myself in face over how bad I am despite trying my best and practicing constantly
>woke up this morning and the entire left side of my face is sore and starting to bruise because of this

I can have matches where I'm in complete control get 0 to death the first stock and still end up losing in the end. How the fuck does anybody even get consistently good at this game when there's so many different matchups and bullshittery

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tranny tranny hahahahah ranny janny mad tranny wanny

Ah, that's my lag, I should dip, ggs!
I have your habits down! You're slippery but you fall into a flowchart of sorts, for example you always do a nair or bair when falling off a platform. I do the same thing but you can't punish Inkling ;)

>uses smash attacks liberally
>has never heard of tilts or aerials
Poor nephew, he wouldn't even be 100k GSP.
Right?

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git gud

"Challenge me after some practice!"

>dash attack is DK tier

Have you tried pressing the r button?

>Ridley is overp-

youtube.com/watch?v=7J_qTPsxKio

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Take a break man. Forcing yourself to play when you're frustrated is never good.

You're completely right, I tend to fall into a pattern that's difficult to break out of, thanks for the games man

How do you shield before landing?

Out of all the characters in this game to bitch about or call cheap, you choose to complain about fucking spacies in Ultimate.

If you cant stay above 1 mil gsp i recommend you go practice against lvl 9 bots. Do that until you can beat them with some consistency. This will teach you how to play aggresively well but to truly excell in online you also need to know how to switch into playing neutral. This is just something you learn from playing against other players enough but it means not constantly approaching and sometimes stalling a bit to see what you opponent does and counter that.

>Why yes, my favorite pro Smash player is Plup; how could you tell?

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>practice against level 9 bots

This is bad advice. Bots only attack in a very specific way and blatantly read inputs. All you can do to improve is get your ass kicked by decent people and learn how to read them and use your character.

That was a fun time salty arena, ggs

If you main Bayonetta or Ryu you get a free pass from me.

>My main, Ganondorf, is at 4.4 mil
>Meanwhile I got Mega Man, Bowser, Joker, and Peach into elite and I never played them before

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theres 4 people, 1 isnt playing

Both PK kids, Zelda, Snake, and Little Mac are the most obnoxious guys to fight.

But by far the worst to fight is Sonic, FUCK Sonic.

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It's because you know what you're "supposed to do" while playing your main and so does your opponent so they know how to counterplay and it's more of a climb
When you pick up a new character randomly you throw out stuff that mains of that character probably wouldnt so your opponent probably gets confused and isnt sure how to punish you
Or the new characters just clicked really well with you

GGs kishken arena but I gotta bounce

Much appreciation, Doctor.

>Playing Elite
>Get paired up against Ridley
>Playing as my boy Hero
>3 - 2 - 1 - GO!
>Down-B open menu and select first option without reading it
>Thwack
>Insta-kill
>Fastforward to final stock, I'm up by one
>Whack
>Insta-kill

I hope that Ridleyfag broke his controller.

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It's much harder to get a character you play consistently on into elite than getting a bunch of lucky matches while GSP is still swinging wildly. My main only gets like 10k-20k for a win so it's gonna take so fucking long to get the last 200k I need for elite unless I suddenly go godmode and get my winrate from 56% back to 70%.

>fastest character with no endlag on anything

Some matchups really do just have to wait for Sonic's autism to get himself killed, or sit in shield until you can punish just enough to get him offstage.

I Wanna keep playing.

ID: HLH2J

PASS: 1877

"I can't learn a matchup so I need an instakill crutch to win!"

No. Because they are capable to reacting to your inputs instantly you learn real quick what is a true combo, whats safe to pull out of shield etc. Really good players will have almost similar reaction speed so this knowledge translates well into online. Of course its not the only thing you need to learn in order to win against them but it is useful.

Based
Cringe

>Imagine being mad at losing to a 1/100 dice roll.

Nigga, don't play the lottery LMAO

If you'll excuse unfunniness, there's a point about 3 minutes into this video where ivysaur gets dthrow -> nair -> uair from 0 on marth in a singe jump. I've spent hours trying to lab this out even from the version this was recorded on, and I can't fuckin do it. Is it even still possible in the latest patch? Or do I just have puppet fingers? Is there a certain way/time I need to drift?

youtube.com/watch?v=gV0l9TO5now

>Playing Ivysaur
>Trying to do a combo from a montage which is probably heavy DI dependent.

>crying about some super slow heavy thats probably dead dead last on the tier list like any other heavy
literally git gud and l2p

>any other heavy
Snake is bretty good

>getting mad a at a fighting game character able to do fighting game things

Lmao

fight me bitches

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>I like shitting where I eat

Luigi is bro tier haha

why doesn't the knockback on ivy nair and squirtle bair drift with you like every other multihit in the game?

Dark Samus is only a clone at the surface level. Aside from her name and appearance she's almost completely different from Samus and has her own unique powerset.

I'd move Falcon and ZSS down to questionable personally, they have a really high tendency o play like complete tools.

>characters I main and characters I can beat in top tier
>characters that beat me in the bottom tier

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This guy probably speaks the truth, because over time I became much worse against Ganons after a few mistakes took out several stocks. His most annoying for me is his side b though, I hate all specials that are grabs. Ever since I became afraid of it even shit Ganons kick my ass

Is this supposed to be impressive?

You’re fucking pathetic holy shit

Where the DLC boys at?

>Ridley counters Hero
wait what? Someone redpill me on this please, ridley gets fucked by hero once hes off stage
t. Hero player

This tierlist is good because my main is in the good tier.

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As a samus player I legitimately don’t understand what samuses you guys keep fighting that you’re losing to, most of the ones I’m fighting are a lot more movement based than camping and spamming Charge Shot.

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He's just shitposting. Hero stomps Ridley hard.

>Ganondorf bad.
Hie reddit tierwhore.
I'm glad I intimidate your ass, High mid tier is not bad.

I still lose to spamus so I can't fight the good samuses yet.

Resident samus shitter here, I never see samus in the top of elite unless they’re the sick wavebouncing ones, Prime, Ellipsis, Sitani, and Cruzloops are some of the coolest samuses out there

Samus is scary when they aren't the camping retards

heavies are literally shitter bait and this is coming from someone who is bad at the game

Most samus I fight just use missile until you jump, then try to hit you with zair or fair. If you hit them they shit morphballs until you go away, then repeat. If you're at kill percent they try to run off the platforms and bair you, or if it's FD they continuously try to cross you up with bair. They also like to shield grab a lot.

t. 5.3m

I miss YB coming over here bros...

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>can't beat heavies
SAD

Here’s how you beat spamus

When she bombs backwards, aerial behind her, you know she’s gonna run away

If she’s standing her ground and tends to fair a lot, empty hop but don’t into her fair range. If she’s spamming full charge shot, you can just shield the thing, but if they’re smart and spamming lower level charge shot, it’s gonna be trickier cause there’s less lag on it

Zair is definitely hard to get through but if you’re fast enough you can dash under it and fuck with her, or you can run quick and try to make it only hit the 1% hitbox that barely does anything

Not even him but most heavy players are the faggot, "You wouldn't beat me if I was playing a real character fucking tryhard xD" types.

>missile

What self respecting samus main in this game is constantly using missiles Jesus Christ missiles are ass

Fun fact if you attack a missile it literally cancels the hitbox, there’s no hitbox on the explosion like other explosives such as her bombs

This is the worst part especially now that they're all actually valid characters.

>try to make it only hit the 1% hitbox that barely does anything
Believe me you don't have to try hard at all to have that happen, it happens constantly to me at least
Why are zairs so stupid in this game

>quick rushdown and safe as shit characters are fine!
>no no the big heavy ones with slower moves are terrible people

Oh I know, I wish her zair was smash 4 zair again. That shit was glorious

i hate being such a shitter that i struggle against kirbys, something about fighting him just makes my spaghetti splatter all over my controller

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He might be one of the worst characters but he’s no melee kirby, he’s got some good tools, don’t feel too bad user

Kirby actually kind of demands you to play lame and zone him out because he actually has some great combos that he's just shitty at starting. Just don't try to juggle him and if he wants to spam up b you can pretty much just let him.

I do too man, YB gave samuses a good name

Nah, shorthop nair and fireballs shut down hero pretty handily.

Only things I want back from 4 are that zair and the virtually lagless uair. 4 can keep the dash attack combo starter, don't really think Samus needs it in this game

If you're playing shitty Heroes, sure.

There are no "good" or "shitty" heroes
It isn't a skill based character
A guy who's dedicated to practicing the character has an equal matchup against a guy picking up the character for the first time

>muh RNG
Hero is NEVER EVER getting banned, no matter how much Banfags say that he's not a skill based character. He is here to stay and you are going to have to cope.

>bowser
>trash
Hol up

This is how I know your opinion has been influenced by shitty Youtube montages and pros doing YOLO shit instead of you actually playing the game

Why are the people saying Ganon is trash always those who lose against him?

I’ve got several people in elite yet I can’t get simon or richter past 300,000. If you don’t know the character your ass isn’t winning at ALL, let alone keeping 100,000.

>no combo game

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>Against the Dorf
Uh huh.

wtf now i like dedede mains

The bias is heavy with this one

Seriously.
What is your problem with Ganondorf?
You think online shitters represent his potential?

why does Yea Forums suck at video games now

You misunderstand. He's big as fuck and heavy, of course he's combo bait.

fuck man don't make me go get the vid of me doing the exact same shit to ness off of my switch

To be fair this stops being true right after you land the nair. Dorf could've totally avoided the utilt
But yes Samus does have combos

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yoshi

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Respectable

That was not a combo.

To be fair, most Kirby players are actually mega autismos who put an extraordinary amount of effort into playing him because of how bad he is. Getting consistent results with a shitty character requires a lot of hard work, and you can see this phenomenon with Bowser Jr. and K. Rool players most of all.

If you unironically think Ridley is OP then you're probably 5 years old. He's mid-tier at best.

I swear this bitch should be top tier. Definitely my worst matchup. Her movement is absolute degeneracy.

>t. has never faced a Ridley with half a brain
Talk to me when you face some in Elite Smash

Well with other lighter characters they end up in tumble and you go for a jab-reset when they hit the ground before the u-tilt, i just posted this one because it ended as a 0-death and i found that amusing.

>tfw i'm the type of bowser jr player to be a total shitter and just get dominated every game if the opponent has at least a brain cell

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I have, on multiple occasions. Either your main has a bad matchup or you're retarded, or both.

He's fucking combo food and tends to rely on punishes instead of combos of his own, you have to be screwing up immensely if you're getting consistently beaten by Ridley

I know Kirby is bad but I'm pretty good with him, I can't imagine what it would be like if he got buffs. What kind of buffs do you think he would get? Maybe air speed?

*gimps your b-up offstage*

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I love this. I can never handle Squirtle either, but they mindlessly flow chart into Ivysaur like a machine, as if unable to actually anaylze what they're seeing and think for themselves.

Wow, mods doing their job? How horrible!

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How does winrate affect the gain of gsp? I'm at 56% hell and only get 10k-20k for win but if I lose, its 60-100k gone. It also annoys me that the game does not reward winning a rematch or consecutive wins after you lose against the same guy.

his dash is safe on block