Ludonarrative dissonance

brainlet
if the game has a story and it doesn't fit with the gameplay, they still made a shitty product. It doesn't matter if the gameplay is good, its tainted by the superfluous, ill-fitting content.

Ludoseethe harder,faggot kekmao.

fucking try it you gay little cunt
post your home address a nigger, we'll settle this in person

Nah, just finished binge watching the Shield. It was peak ludo

>judoimparrative dis' a nonce

Stupid term, but a real problem.

Something truly great will have both good gameplay and no ludonarrative dissonance, but ludonarrative dissonance doesn't matter at all. The narrative part is just set dressing for the fun. If something that minor automatically makes it a shitty product, then there are no good products because everything has minor flaws like that. The only way gameplay can be tainted by the story is if the gameplay is worsened for the sake of being more coherent with the story.

>having a vocabulary means you are a zoomer
ok brainlet

let me explain it so a brainlet like you can understand user
>game is about eating as many burgers as possible
>you go through the game eating literal millions of burgers, some the size of skyscrapers with zero problems
>a cutscene strips you of the ability to play the game
>it shows your character attempting to eat a small burger
>but he can't despite you spending the last 5 hours eating many other burgers that size and above
I even made it a food analogy for you

It's a term meant to describe a thing. The only reason anyone thinks it's stupid is because they haven't heard words longer than 4 syllables since high school

>wordswordswordswordswords

Kiryu hasn't killed anyone

>I don't want to learn what the lingo of this subculture is so I'm going to attack that lingo instead of leaving and joining a community I can comprehend
How very Kafkesque, almost Randian even.

>game eat burger
>many burger
>cutscene
>game no eat burger

>me spam words over and over again
>me smart

Swords?

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>Eat burgers for 5 hours
>Get full
>Try to eat one final small burger
>Can't due to being too full
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW WHAT THE FUCK? I NEVER FAILED THE MEAL, THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT! THE DEVELOPERS CLEARLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE DOING, NOTHING I COULD DO

Tl;dr

>Ludonarrative dissonance
Something that's a problem in theory but I've never been bothered by it. I saw people using this term regarding Bioshock Infinite a lot and I just thought it was fucking gay

Yea Forums lobotomites should be beaten to death desu

>nulara kills hundreds of people
>nulara cries about she cant do it on a cutscene.
>nulara keeps killing a lot of people

the words being used have meanings.
It is not my fault that your reading comprehension is stuck at 2nd grade.

I don't really care lol I'm gonna eat more burgers than you faggot. The cutscene is there to give me time to eat a burger or three IRL.

what about it?

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>when the ludonarration truly resonates

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that really ludos my narrative

what's the difference between this and a tone-deaf game?

If you had any semblance of a vocabulary you wouldn't be repeating the same shit ad nauseam.

Because it's not something that bothers anyone who isn't autistic. I think they should just add a Ludonarrative difficulty option to every game and only ship a version where that's enabled to journalists who whine about it. This difficulty would apply any and all limitations to the character in the story to gameplay. One bullet kills them, they have to sleep, they break down and cry when an ally is hurt etc.

I cant imagine not narrating my ludo in a dissonant fashion.

>words i don't like are meaningless!
Let me think about that one for a second... Nope, that's not how it works.

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The only thing they should ship to journalists is anthrax.

kino is literally just a 'bad thing good' word

>resorting to anime posting
You are such a ludohypocritive piss ant.

Based

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female wasps?

Oh please god dont let this be the next bullshit word you all start parroting on this place. I swear to fuck, anyone who does this has no free will or capability of thinking for themselves, Actually not human even. Remember when 'Kino' caught on? I do. That bullshit happened all at once, dont let it happen again.

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Yes, I that really lowered the level of discourse as established by the guy screaming in caps and calling people faggots for upsetting him.

474646654
(You)

>Ludonarrative dissonance
you have to be retarded to think a name that long and complex will catch on, kino survived because the name is short and easy to mix with other words.

no that would be too metaludo

This. No new words should ever be entered into my words that I use. New words are dumb and gay.

not interested then

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Stupid fucking newshit zoomer.

Quit spamming these retarded meme words over and over again.
Quit attempting to say shit by dressing it up in some retarded garbage.
If you say you like a games story just fucking say that. Instaead of saying shit like "omg bros such epic kino" You faggots and your pathetic attempts to look sophisticated by using dead memes words nobody uses isn't impressive and come off as both desperate and pathetic.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Kino catched on because it's funny and, well, catchy. Ludonarrative dissonance is relevant not because it's snappy but because it accurately describes a very real phenomenon that until then didn't have a term.

Kino is a perfectly cromulent word.

still, he is talking about people using it like they use kino, never going to happen, its going to get discussed, because it is a videogame related theme, but its not going to be spammed as Kino is.

I think, or rather know, that you've missed the point entirely if you think people figure themselves sophisticated for saying kino.

It will though. I will use it even when i shouldnt until the day i die.

I too miss the good ol' days when we just said "ooga" and "booga" and stoned the assholes who tries to act all smart by using more words than we have fingers. It's just unnatural and frankly decadent how we express ourselves these days. We have to go back.

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Honestly i'm giving you guys too much credit. I know very fucking well you faggots are just spamming this shit. I know very well you just randomly saw this word and just began mindlessly parroting it.

Know your place worm. If i have to tolerate being a withered old husk every day, you bet your twink ass that you're going to believe me when I say im in my 30s.

And how exactly do you think other words came into being? Stone tablets from the god of Abraham? The eternal forms? A precursor race?

"Experience the content"
"Toxic"
"Community"

All buzzwords.

Words have existed before humans. We can only operate on those words,not the other way around. I speak before i exist and so do you.

>Implying that excuses the mindless spamming
No. Fuck off.

>If you say you like a games story just fucking say that.
How about I say whatever the fuck I feel like?

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he called you a newshit for mentioning you remember when kino started getting spammed which was three or four years ago tops

How about you suck my balls?

>How about I say whatever the fuck I feel like?
Sure user. Just remember your part of the reason this website is so garbage now.

>gatekeeping on an online german plastic duck frying beginers guideline emporium
Pathetic

okay

T. Gamer

Ted's dad ain't shit. he's the one that should have gone to military school

>faggot
Nice buzzword, homo.

>Words have existed before humans.
????
>I speak before i exist and so do you.
?????????

What kind of drugs do I need to take to detach from reality like this?

Words,in the sense of meaning defines us .We dont define the words.
(You)

Words are tools of expression.
Just because a tool is used for ill doesn't mean that the tool isn't useful for other purposes.

>Ludonarrative dissonance
Based

>ban all words
Got it

IMAGINE BEING AT COMPUTERS

>gatekeeping
>bad
Redditard cancer, go back.

T. Election tourist

You are moving the goalposts with the word kino which is indeed a meaningless meme word. But ludonarrative dissonance is a real problem in games. I suggest you read more, you Cro-Magnon ape.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludonarrative_dissonance

>basedboy devs actually watch retarded pretentious video essays on youtube and design their games around them
the absolute state of western vidya

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>rapped to death by wasps

Wait is this the cunt from one of the rance games?

I actually failed this one, because I couldn't tell if he was actually guilty or not due to his over exaggeration.

Ebin comeback, commit seppuku.

This only happens in linear games where the the player character is set up to have a preset story and motivations. Maybe the hack writers shouldn't do that or maybe but in restrictions to prevent the player from going off the beaten path.
>notes the example of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, where a player can all but kill their digital partner during gameplay without upsetting the built-in narrative of the game.
Things like this shouldn't happen anyway.

This. Only fucking retards actually think Uncharted gameplay loop fits that piece of shit game. Kill Kill Kill so the kids don't get bored.

Spoken like a true retard. Have a (You) and go back to CoD

A more accurate burger example would be
>Game story tells you that eating burgers is unhealthy
>Burgers are the best items in the game and give you insane buffs

Yikes, what toxic comment.

That kind of vitriolic Beauvoir is not allowed here.

Go be a bigot elsewhere, and that's the tea sis.

I am not good at puzzles,especially with numbers.

>character takes bullet damage all through gameplay
>must have been shot thousands of times through combat and healed up
>character gets shot once (1) in cutscene and dies

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The way reviewers use that term is just as a way to indicate when the gameplay doesn't jive with what's being presented in the story. Like in Tomb Raider 2013 when Lara is portrayed as this poor scared girl who's just trying to survive when you're gunning fuckers down left and right the entire game. Other instances would be when you obviously beat an encounter in a game, but the game shows you losing for narrative purposes, or when a game shows you doing awesome shit in a cutscene that your character can't do at all in actual gameplay.

DUHHH CIRNGE!!!! DUHHH BRINGE!!???!!1 CRINGE!!!!! IS THAT ALL YOU SHITPOSTING FUCKS CAN SAY!!??? DURR BASED BASED BASED CRINGE CRINGE BASED BASED CRINGE CRINGE CRINGE BASED CRINGE I FEEL LIKE IM IN A FUCKING ASYLUM FULL OF DEMENTIA RIDDEN OLD PEOPLE THAT CAN DO NOTHING BUT REPEAT THE SAME FUCKING WORDS ON LOOP LIKE A FUCKING BROKEN RECORD CRINGE CRINGE CRINGE BASED BASED CRINGE ONIONS ONIONS ONIONS SNOYY ONIONS LOL ONIONS!!! CRINGE!!!1 BOOMER!! LE ZOOMER!!!! I AM BOOMER!!!! NO ZOOM ZOOM ZOOMIES ZOOMER GOING ZOOMIES AHGHGH I FUCKING HATE THE INTERNET SO GODDAMN MUCH FUCKJK YOU SHITPOST I HONEST TO GOD HOPE YOUR MOTHER CHOKES ON HER OWN FECES IN HELL YOU COCKSUCKER VUT OHHH I KNOWM MY POST IS CRINGE ISNT IT?? CRINGE CRINGE CRINGR CRINGEY BASED CRINGE BASED REDDIT REDDIT CRINGE ZOOM CRINGE ONIONS REDDIT BASED BASED!!!!!!

What's that word mean?

Yea Forums is legitimately so low IQ that any neologisms, even 10 year old ones, completely stump them and cause them to chimp out.

ludonarrative interference > ludonarrative dissonance

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>Cutscene Character is a morally righteous every man in a tough spot by trying to do the right thing
>Gameplay Character is a murderous psychopath gleefully on a rampage
>Cutscene Character is morally conflicted about killing an active gunman even though it means saving innocent people's lives
>Gameplay Character wantonly murders innocents on his way to murder his next quest target
>Yea Forums thinks this is a good thing

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>Then proceed to immediately eat burgers for another 5 hours after the cut scene ends.

Now this is some actual fucking pseudointellectual fart-huffing. Yes, Link does actually have a magical spell on him that protects him from deadly things like lava to a limit, which is visually represented as hearts for the player.

Why does lava hurt less than some guy with a hammer?
How did Link first get the spell?
How does this spell regenerate from hearts found in pots, grass, or in potions?
How does the spell know to put him in front of doors?

Are there games other than Souls that fix this problem?

>Why does lava hurt less than some guy with a hammer?
Because the spell protects him from the heat, abd the hammer is magical
.
>How did Link first get the spell?
When he became the hero of time.

>How does this spell regenerate from hearts found in pots, grass, or in potions?
It regenerates from nutricion aka food, which are found in pots, forests and in potions, which is indicated by the fact he gets tired and out of breath when he has low health.

>How does the spell know to put him in front of doors?
It's magic.

fucking hunted demons forge pulling this shit and making it impossible to get the good ending

on which Yea Forums do people ever use ludo? it's always kino because retards think calling videogames "kino"/cinema isn't the stupidest shit

“Buzzword” is itself a buzzword user

Go back.

Hipster gamers, the ludonarrative nightmare

>Arthur! We need money!
>I have tens of thousands of dollars from robbing trains all day

>Ludo

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>John has $100k from five finger fillet
>decides to settle on a farm
What a fucking idiot

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I do like the fact that there's a break between gameplay and story. IF there was a strict adherence to following the plot in gameplay, then the game wouldn't be a sandbox, which is what Rockstar likes to make, and they're pretty good at that.

Maybe a more straightforward story would have made the action bits more exciting in the story sections, but hey, that's not the kind of game RDR is.

He actually made fun of that with a trophy. Naughty Dog doesn't believe in it.
playstationtrophies.org/game/uncharted-4/trophy/140663-Ludonarrative-Dissonance.html

I loved the game and didn't even care about the disconnect. The story was just hilarious in context of John getting rich off five finger fillet and horseshoes.

I use to know what that meant.

>character is immortal in the canon story
>gets killed in gameplay

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Imagine being the kind of brainlet who has a problem with this incredibly useful and well defined term just because he doesn't understand ludology.

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Post the vocaroo.

>him need say "booga"

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LISA did that, it was actually pretty clever. Or would have been, if it wasnt obvious that that was the path to an optional ending and got spoiled for everyone.

Isn't that every action game ever? Or movie/book/whatever that puts the characters in peril even if it's obvious they won't kill them? Obviously Nathan Drake never canonically dies, but it's not like the game can't have fail states for combat. The only game I can think of that actually acknowledges this is the Price of Persia games via metanarrative. And even then it has the side effect of making The Prince look like a spaz who keeps forgetting that he isnt dead.

>There are some people who are actually surprised by the concept of suspension of disbelief.
>There are some people who are so incapable of noticing basic inconsistency with reality they don't need to suspend disbelief.

Fuck me. Both options are equally terrifying.

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>Here's a special item that gives you a major buff when you'll really need it!

To be fair, even if you were completely blind to the story there's a good chance most people would hoard them like megalixirs and end the game with 95% of the game's supply sitting in their inventory untouched. It never really stood a chance.

I fucking love this gif.
And the one with the old guy drinking whiskey at some party laughing.

>system in game doesn't follow strict logic to streamline the playing experience
>the player accepts these logical missteps to service the continued immersion
>some people aren't smart enough to know this, therefore the system which he admits perfectly works for actual players shouldn't exist

Just in general, I hate it when there's a super convienent word but it sounds pretentious as fuck.

LISA IS pretty clever. It never tells you not to use Joy. Brad tries to stop using it when he sees it hurts Buddy. Joy makes the user act out on their innermost desires, of which protecting Buddy and making her happy is Brad's. If you stop taking the drug, you're playing into the actual effects of Joy itself, because it hurts Brad and provides no benefit whatsoever. One dose or a hundred, the effects are the same, and they're permanent.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludonarrative_dissonance

destructoid.com/ludonarrative-dissonance-the-roadblock-to-realism-235197.phtml

gamervw.com/2018/07/22/ludonarrative-dissonance-matter/

youtube.com/watch?v=9AdZ07C8LT4
youtube.com/watch?v=lluvrus0QY0
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>noooo aaaaaaa its a buzzword it doesn't mean anything its just like kino aaaaaaaa

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who cares. is the game actually interesting and fun?

Answer the question. Ludo rarely ever gets used around here, but kino is thrown around nonstop.

ludocringe!

That is the evil god of Rance's setting, a hedonistic creator god who made a world solely for his own entertainment because he was bored.

this is peak ludo of seetheposting

Ludonarrative dissonance is when you're playing a stealth game and there's a cutscene during which your main character gets discovered and the enemies raise alarms. Your character does something in a cutscene that you would never let them do during gameplay. Or a character who always hits a target and kills everything in one hit will miss multiple times in a cutscene. Or when cops can chase you forever ingame and there's no way to hide from them but your character is perfectly capable of evading them in a cutscene. Ludonarrative dissonance is when a game's story breaks the basic rules of the game in order to force a plot point that is basically incompatible with the game.

sounds like a good reason

Non-argument.

>Spoken like a true retard. Have a (You) and go back to CoD
Spoken like a true cuck. Have a (You) and go back to Overwatch

what are some spec ops the line-esque ludonarrative dissonance kino?

Hes right you know

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation

I really wish they'd make a new LA Noire are maybe a cyberpunk game like it.

>150 replies
>nobody saying "lovecraftian" is a bigger pseudo-intellectual buzzword

I must be in a good place because this is the first time I’ve heard of ludonarrative dissonance. Sounds like something a filthy modern game reviewer would come up with for their clickbait site.

Wtf is a ludo
I have been here for almost 11 years and i have never seen that word before

What's so wrong about it? That the phenomenon was named, or that it is "Gameplay-and-story-segregation" but supposedly pretentiously named?

>stop using big words

yes
brain hurt no good only onions only cope no good word big good word have sex ok

the problem with the term ludonarative dissonance is that it implies that narrative is important.

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Never played L.A Noire, does he really make that face or is it some sort of bug?

Based

No it's the other way around. Ludonarrative dissonance harms gameplay for the sake of story. For example, Metal Gear Solid is the worst stealth game ever made because Snake gets caught in cutscenes and then has to fight the people that have caught him. Because the story demands that there's a fight. The player is explicitly meant to avoid confrontation in gameplay, but the story just disagrees with the basic gameplay.

Nothing like some of the good ol' anti intellectualism in the morning.

>he doesn't call videogames "ludosoftware"

Just stay clear of Marshall Mathers and you should be fine.

that's his "I'm lying" face
It gets slightly more difficult towards the end of the game; this guy is just in a very early case

its a bug

LA Noire faces are recorded vertex animations. If that was a bug, it would look much more horrible because something in the basic vertex position solver of the renderer would be fucking up.

I think you misunderstand what "narrative" implies.
Pacman has a narrative. In Pacman you eat pellets and avoid ghosts that want to get you, that's the narrative. If in between the stages you saw cutscenes of Pacman trying to solve world hunger with ghost scientists, that would be dissonant.

Is there a better word for this behavior? Something like Philistine or Luddite?
It's really been bugging me for a while, because I feel like there is one at the tip of my tongue.

I think the word you're looking for is "pretentious".
Oh wait nevermind that's the word I was looking for.

Yeah, that behavior, perfect example.

it looks to me like a micro-expression that was stretched (slow motion). so if the recording is real-time (30 fps like the game) then the game was playing the animation too slowly for some reason. could be a bug or an artistic choice or oversight.

w-what about lewdonarrative owo