Who was the worst addition to the roster in the franchise's history?

My vote still goes to Joker or Cloud. Runner up would be Ice Climbers
t. asshurt SMT fan.

>a bunch of iconic third party characters and franchises with rich history
>saying this when pic related exists

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Imagine anxiously waiting 6 years since Brawl and finding out Dark Pit is the final character

Smash 4 was such shit in hindsight

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I liked Pit's inclusion. I wanted him before Brawl.
Smash 4 had good additions like Pac-Man, Mega Man, Little Mac, Shulk, ect. There was way too much KI:U shilling and it pretty much made everyone hate Fire Emblem's inclusion in Smash.

The final character was Duck Hunt.

The only genuine useless addition. At least cloud's game got retroactively added to a Nintendo platform, not counting his additional appearances.

>but dude he's a MegaTen rep
>that's why the only mention of Shin Megami Tensei in anything relating to Joker is the fucking reveal blurb and nothing else
Joker's addition is going to age like milk

Samus
Not ZSS, the regular Samus

every fire emblem character is a sameface anime garbage that no one could possibly care about unless you've played that game series
they are all mistakes that diminish the value of the series heavily
so much so that I don't care about playing any more

Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, or Pirahna Plant.

Lucina/Chrom can stay because Awakening revived the series, fuck everyone else

Corrin is based and a pleb filter. Not counting echoes (and most of them are great anyway) the objectively worst additions to the roster taking into consideration their movesets are:

Little Mac
Greninja

Little Mac is a tragedy that deserved better and Greninja is just fucking boring. Why, why for god's sake add in another ninja type character, and on top of that from the worst generation of pokemon? I have to constantly remind myself he's in the game. Just infuriating.

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zeroshitters need to terminated with the most extreme of prejudice

You posted it.

Cloud
>6+ games in a Nintendo Console, they choose the character of the game that was on PSX.

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Greninja is the only good thing to come out of Kalos though

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You're retarded. FE is the only fucking Nintendo IP besides Pokemon that isn't tonka toy gameplay baby shit. Eat a cock.

Corrin and Joker definitely, Corrin aged horribly and Joker will too.

This. Those absolute subhumans killed an entire franchise for uninspired fapbait. She was sexier in the space bikini by the way.

Greniggers are annoying as fuck to fight against and never rematch.

The matches are always close shaves, but theyre pussies .

Fire Emblem is gacha trash that only whales and ironic weebs enjoy. Fire Emblem games are literally baby's first tactic game on top of that.

Chrom was the worst rep. Awakening didn't need another third rep. And if it did, then they should have put in Grima. Nobody cares about Chrom and we have his better, hotter daughter already.

I cannot stand Joker and I'm livid that he's as good as he is.

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no Ill give that to you, entry level strategy is better than games designed for 6 year olds
doesn't change the fact that its anime sameface garbage
the characters are absolutely, perfectly indistinguishable from each other
just like dragon quest dude, only one character was necessary, with skins

Female Corrin is cute at least
also I doubt Corrin will return in anymore Smash games

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Black Knight as Ike's echo would have been infinitely more satisfying.

Dark Pit

>Telliusfag
No.

>he's never played Uprising
Sad.

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The zerosuit was an awesome idea for the time but sex sells so that design had to be milked forever. And that's the least of Metroid's problems. I have never seen a series with so much potential neglected and gutted to the extent Metroid has been. It's horrific.

If Corrin's gone I'm gone.

Yeah because they're lazy 3d models based on character art from Kozaki. 4 of the FE characters are his. If you look at the actual art from each game they have very different artstyles (and don't argue with me on this, if you think Path of Radiance characters look like Awakening's you're blind) but Sakurai is a hack and he's the reason they look so samey.

>Character
In my hot take, Ice Climbers. Nobody cared about that NES game and they're overall just completely forgettable. Only redeeming factor is that they were a neat duo fighter.
>Moveset
Sonic, easily.
>Overall
Joker
I've always found Echoes fine, despite how much people hate Chrom, Dark Pit, (formerly) Dr. Mario, and/or Lucina, they're relatively harmless and amount to nothing more than bloat.

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Medusa would have been a great echo of Palutena

That's just buzzword shit elites say to make themselves sound smart. Sure, it's one of the more simple SRPGs but it's not as shallow as those tools make it out to be. It has potential to be fairly complex depending on how you play (LTC, min/maxing)

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I kind of feel you on Ice Climbers but their seniority and charm kept me from including them in mine

joker is a gaming icon. banjo is furfag reddit shit.

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>Banjoke was a mistake.
base-
>Incineroar is the worst first party addition as well.
fuck off back to your containment site, redditard.

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I got nothing against Jiggs or the playstyle, but looking back, why did they include her? Was it really because of the anime? Funny how out of all the shill-mons and buffs they've given to Kanto mons, they've never buffed the Jigglypuff line despite being one of the mainstay Pokemon reps. In the actual games, it's basically never been usable or note-worthy compared to say Clefable.

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Jiggs only gets a pass for seniority I think. Awful addition, if I hadn't been a kid and into the anime when I played the original she would have annoyed me.

if by revived you mean killed, sure

characterwiese? at least one of the worst. that being said, I really like the kit so i dont mind too much

Hoes mad

jigglypuff originally was included because they could retool kirby's assets easily

but yeah jigglypuff really has no reason to still be in the game and this is coming from someone who used to main them

IIRC they wanted to include meowth but couldn't so they settled on making Jigglypuff the joke character.

Recognizable, easy to develop because of Kirby and a good joke character. Jiggs isn't meant to be a super serious character, she's on the same level as Pichu.

>them
Puff is FEMALE

how so? he's one of the biggest protags this side of nippon games since forever

It was a combination of Jigglypuff being rather popular in Japan during the R/B days thanks to the anime, as well as being easy to put into the game because she's mostly re-used Kirby assets.

IIRC Sakurai wanted to put Mewtwo in as the hidden Pokemon character instead, but ran into time problems.

Remember that Cloud was chosen to rep the Final Fantasy series as stated in an interview and they considered characters like Bartz and Terra first, yet Cloud only came with FF7 stuff and his series is listed in the music section as 'Final Fantasy VII.' Just because the series isn't represented well doesn't mean it's not repped. Joker reps Megaten and Etrian Odyssey.

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>Joker reps Etrian fucking Odyssey.
You fucking what? That is the dumbest fucking shit I have heard in a long ass time.

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Persona Q2 is an Etrian Odyssey game.

Coming from a larger franchise doesn't actually mean you represent that entire franchise

Megaman and Castlevania are how you represent a franchise
Joker and Cloud are how you represent a specific game

You could argue Joker represents Persona with the 3/4 music, but being a spin-off of SMT doesn't make it SMT representation, just as Mario content isn't all bundled underneath DK's series icon.

No it isn't. It's like an EO game, but it isn't one.

Lucario. Hear me out here. Not only was he yet another pokemon rep when pokemon was already over represented, not only was he a clone of a much cooler character, Mewtwo, but he then proceeded to kick Mewtwo out so we didn't even have the option of playing as the cooler alternative. Then Mewtwo got added back and Lucario because extra worthless. Lucario is for furries and pokemon fuckers, nobody else.

Persona 5 is still a Megaten game. Having a character from a Megaten game is Megaten representation.

>Lucario
>clone of mewtwo
How is this meme still being said? The only thing they had in common at all was a chargeable throwing ball.

Objectively it's Zero Suit Samus.

I was looking at the CSS and I had genuinely forgotten Toon Link was in the game

They're both more iconic and well-known than Banjoke.

>America still originates from a British colony. Having an American on the moon is British achievement

The actual MegaTen elements that all the games in the franchise share aren't even fucking present in Smash. Literally every single MegaTen game features a shared demon roster but they couldn't be fucked including Jack Frost as a cameo.

It's not MegaTen representation if it doesn't actually represent those MegaTen elements. The Spirits Board is 100% Persona 5, the music is all Persona3-4-5, the cameos are all Persona 5, the costumes are all Persona 3, 4 and 5. At that point it's just fucking Persona

Bayonetta, no contest.

Awakening was the peak of the series in the eyes of the majority. Cope.

Why? Get your feelings hurt that she got in over the character you wanted? Bayonetta is a great addition.

>jigglypuff originally was included because they could retool kirby's assets easily
Funny. I used to think Kirby was a Pokemon as a kid since him and Jiggs were both round pink creatures in Smash.

Pit in black clothing being treating like a different character

Pokemon can never be overrepresented when its the biggest media franchise with hundreds of unique potential fighters.

I got everyone I wanted. I just really dislike her as a character, and she brings nothing fun to smash with her playstyle.

Chrom
>lol what if we made a clone of a clone

Lucario.
That fucker takes himself so seriously to be running around in jorts, and his mouth placement make it look like he has a giant human nose instead of a muzzle. Whoever thought he could pass as a badass as a retard.
Incineroar is great because he knows how ridiculous he is.

It doesn't need to feature something from every single game to represent a series. Just being from the series should be enough, especially from a series that uses a different protagonist every time. If you really need something from each, then fine, Tetrakarn and Makarakarn. Just remember that Cloud was chosen as the Final Fantasy SERIES rep as stated in an interview despite him "only repping his game." Your America metaphor also doesn't work. It would be more similar if it were talking about a Scottish achievement. SMT and Megaten aren't interchangeable.

Rosalina

Not at all, Kamui is one of the best additions. The worst additions are:

>Wii Fit Trainer
>Rosalina
>Dr. Mario
>Dark Pit
>Pirahna Plant

mii fighters

bland, generic moves and ugly costumes

she hulk

>It doesn't need to feature something from every single game to represent a series
It needs to feature more than "literally nothing", though. Again, Castlevania has a different lead every other game but those games are actually REPRESENTED in Smash through content ORIGINATING FROM THOSE GAMES. Hero represents Dragon Quest by constituting of multiple characters and emphasizing the elements all main characters share, as well as cameos like the Slime. Joker just having -karn spells doesn't do that.

>Persoyna
>Not Reddit

Petey Piranha would have been such a better pick

Characters that should have never been added...
>Miis
>Isabelle
>Lucina
>Roy
>Chrom
>Ike
>Dark Pit
>Wii Fit Trainer
>Ice Climbers
>Ness
>Lucas
>Jigglypuff
>Incineroar
>Dr. Mario
>Rosalina
>Piranha Plant
>Cloud
>Bayonetta

These were all wasted slots when they got added.

More then one, some might say

Joker
>Game isn't even on the switch and all nintendo's getting from his game is a spin-off
>Joker players are natural born shitters
>People hate him because he reps for a spin-off and not the original thing his games came from
>Will have legions defending him while also shitting on Hero despite Joker being a good counter to Hero's bullshit

Piranha Plant
>No one asked and people only liked him because he pissed a lot of people off
>Doesn't actually bring anything new to the table and literally any other never ever would have been better
>PP as a joke character isn't funny even though that's his purpose

Chrom
>Sakurai's laziest "Throw a bone" attempt I've ever seen

ZZS
>Another one of Sakurai's lazy attempts at throwing the fans a bone because he didn't want to put Ridley in the game despite fan demands until now

Daisy and I wanted her in
>A terribly blatant recolor and will likely never get the rework people wanted

Richter
>No difference beyond the holy water
>Should have just held back a second Castlevania rep so we could have gotten Alucard like what was originally intended

Lucina
waifufags need to fuck off, a slight difference in fighting style doesn't mean jack shit

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Does Persona Q2 have any tie ins with Etrian Odyssey other than the games using the same engine, such as referencing the lore or characters? Does anything Joker says or do reference EO at all? Shit, does anything Joker says or do reference persona Q2 at all?
No? Then he doesn't fucking rep EO.
This is nonsense, it's like saying that Bayonetta reps Madworld because she's in Anarchy Reigns and Jack is in Anarchy Reigns and Madworld. Or saying that every Pokemon in the game save Baracat now represent the Mystery Dungeon games, or Mario representing DDR. I guess the FE characters now represent Codename:STEAM. I guess Chrom and Lucina now represent fucking every franchise that was in Project X Zone 2. Sorry, Phoenix Wright, you can't ever be in Smash because Chrom and Lucina got you covered. Ken and Ryu rep Marvel vs. Capcom and Link with his Soulcalibur tie in. Oh shit, Smash is now has disney reps because they own Marvel, which Ken and Ryu have cross ties in, and Star Wars characters were in Soulcalibur, which Link had ties in.
Do you see how fucking stupid this sounds?

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Cloud and Joker 100% deserve to be in Smash. FF7 and P5 are the best JRPGs ever made.

Greninja by far.

>>PP as a joke character isn't funny even though that's his purpose
Hero is way better as a joke character. His normal attacks are clunky and his command menu completely cheeses opponents.

I'd say that the Pokemon do rep Mystery Dungeon, Mario does rep DDR, and FE does rep Codename Steam. Hell, Mario has a move pulled from Mario Mix and there's a FE song pulled from Codename Steam. I wouldn't say something like Phoenix Wright is repped from being in the same game as Chrom, but Project X Zone itself is. Etrian Odyssey is repped because Joker is the main character of one of the games. Anyone who would have played Q2 would consider it an Etrian game. Jokers presence alone is the representation.

Him and Joker easily

>mario has a move from Mario Mix
user, Mario's downsmash comes from super mario 64 where if you hold crouch and hit the attack button, he does a spinkick. Let alone that Mario Mix came out fucking 4 years after melee.
>Pokemon reps Mystery Dungeon and FE does rep Codename steam
You are simply wrong.

Fanbase-wise? Ridley hands down. Made the whole process of following the game insufferable due to giving fuel to the Ashleyfags, K. Roolfags, Genofags, Isaacfags, Stevefags, Banjofags, Bandanafags, SkullKidfags, and so on with the fucking ballot shit and whatever since his reveal..

This
Hero's almost entirely carried by his command menu and his two normal spells

Without them he's the shittiest sword user in the game and yet everyone still complains and wants him banned even though it's not hard to look up anything about him to learn how to counter his bullshit

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The down smash was changed to more closely mimic the cover of Mario Mix. Also,
>You're wrong because I said so.
Ok. Goodnight.

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>I'm right because I say so
You cannot be serious when you say that FE represents codename steam, a game that has completely different aesthetics, setting, game design, everything but a developer, but because it has FE characters as a cameo unlocked only from fucking amiibos, now FE characters in smash are representing codename steam. Like jesus dude, that's so nonsensical. What, does Mario and other first party charactgers also represent Ace Combat series because there was a 3DS game that had had nintendo skins?

At least Corrin was a shill FE character for a game released internationally, unlike Roy.

At least corrin wasn't another marth clone

Nobody. I like every single character in the Smash roster in some way, whether it's in how they play, their character, or their games.

>Nobody cares about Chrom and we have his better, hotter daughter already.
Eat a dick, I see more Chroms on stream than Lucinas, he is more fun to play as.

based

Based

Everything Tr4sh added to the series was bad new comers ( other than a few ) and a laughable game. Literally every new comer from tr4sh was mediocre and lazy minus megaman little mac and shulk

Greninja or Incineroar.

To be fair, I think they wanted to rep Final Fantasy more, but Square Enix were waaay to greedy and gave them the absolute minimum, Dragon Quest only got as much as it did because Nintendo shilled the game a lot.

>its the biggest media franchise
I don't fucking give a shit, it doesn't need seven fights in Smash.

No they aren't.