Game becomes too complicated for its own good

>Kaiju boss monster bait

That's an anime only card you stupid nigger
Real cards can only have 5000 max atk or def

What went wrong?

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you forgot that monsters can only attack this card and can't be destroyed

An overly simplified babby's card game turned into something you have to use a few brain cells to play. Also, Nirvana High Paladin has literally never seen any form of competitive play, seethe harder, out of touch boomer

Read the card, stupid.

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post your ace

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That doesn’t make the card unplayable or keep it from being FUCKING STUPID

This games refusal to rely on keywords for effects consistent amongst other cards makes it so fucking stupid to play, that it’s no wonder matches go to time so often in tournament. This games whole design team needs a firm whack in the head

>still not printed
>only ZARC and Z-ONE cards are printed for final bosses

Check THIS out!

>wahhhhh reading is hard i want it to spoonfeed me like hearthstone and tranny the gathering
Cope.

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Every two years they add another set of cards that make up their own rules.
It's like playing DnD but each player is playing a race and class from different Editions.

My ace is not a monster
>”hurr my monster can not be destroyed or banished or targeted, and is immune to all card effects”
>target the player instead
>gg, friend

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>This games refusal to rely on keywords for effects consistent amongst other cards makes it so fucking stupid to play

Except they did that years ago you uneducated fuckwit.

HOLY SHIT EVERY TWO YEARS???? What's next? Do you expect me to finish a book in less than five? My tiny pleb brain is imploding just thinking about that!

The effect isn’t too complicated to understand, it’s wordage is way too dense, and the game makers need to find a way to convey the same card effects without typing an entire eula document

As far as I know their stance on edge case rulings is literally "whatever a judge decided the first time it came up".
It's a fucking mess.

There's something too satisfying about running a literal Phoenix that rises from the grave

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Heh... nothin personnel, OP

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>weeb defense force is out

May have made a few keywords but they clearly need more of them, because stupid fucking cards like nirvana high paladin are still the standard.

When will they free my nigga Chadwall?

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who are you quoting?

anyone else think they should have revisited these old ass bad cards and give them ridiculous support cards that made them viable?

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>Flame Ghost
>bad ass

They did with Thunder Dragon, it's literally meta now.
And yes, you do run the OG Thunder Dragon in it.

>gives you the shittiest fodder I had leftover on my board.
you didn't even read the card in your own post, you're retarded and this is why you lose.

A new comer or someone who dropped the game years ago would come in and be nothing but confused about syncro-summons and this pendulum shit.
I remember back when they introduced fucking XYZ bullshit.

They can't come up with interesting card concepts with their already pre-existing styles so they think up a new one that takes longer to read out.
>just read the card
Not everyone can just look at a card at a glance and figure out what it does. not everyone has photographic memory and not every explanation on a card is cut and dry.

just add all of the words

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Instant Fusion :^)
Although it would be funny if random shitty ass fusions only good for materials became a viable deck

>stupid fucking card
You'll never even have to encounter it because it's shit though?

They’ve been doing it for a while

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Nirvana High Paladin was (and still is) actually pretty popular in Zefras. Too bad Konami killed Electrumite

Fucker you obviously have to either handle the other monsters on the table or wait for the perfect moment, or else the card would be laughably OP. You think a card that gets around everything shouldn’t have a too?

>syncro summons
11 years old, tuner + non tuner whose levels add up to the level of the synchro, literally basic fucking addition
>XYZ bullshit
8 years old, two+ monsters of the same level on top of each other

Fuck off boomer brainlet

>First they ban Snow
>Then they ban Wyvern
Fuck my life. Give Lightsworn a way to search/recover JD that isn't a dogshit trap that doesn't work with Light brigade or Solar Recharge.

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synchro and xyz are unironically what fusion and rituals should have been to begin with
pendulums and links are abominations though

Soon brothers...soon

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I believe it is like that in the west but in japan they actually have a group that discusses these things instead of going with the first guess.
Which of course causes problems when east meets west

Synchro has been out for 11 fucking years you stupid fuckwit, Xyz has been out for 8.
Either adapt or stop taking part in yugioh discussions

They're shit.

so how do you get into yugioh when pretty much every card ever printed is legal to play? how do you remember that much?

Not a tryhard I swear. But I discovered Madolches on accident and I love this glorious bitch.

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Ask someone who plays "what are some good decks"
Learn deck

Nothing, they just never simplified their own rules text

How you're gonna be running this card, and somehow manage to handle anything on the board is actually beyond me. I humored your initial post with anything, but it seems like you don't understand what yugioh has even become. That card wouldn't even be OP if you could choose both targets.

pore over every single card in detail for years until you learn them all

So you can still target it with card effects, just not destroy it? Aight.

We goin' full weeb tonight soundcloud.com/knayy/when-it-hits-you-that-dragon-maid-is-fucking-over

I think I'm the only person in the world who started with magic as a kid and played it through high school, then switched to ygo when I got older. I only play it online though.

DOUBLE TUNING!Sometimes triple, quadruple and quintuple!

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Learn to read quickly, you're allowed to ask your opponent if they you can read their card (even mid-combo). Even pro players will read cards some commonly used cards even if they've seen them being used heaps of times in the past.

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fuck mahjong

I love some monster girls, are they good
>high level main deck monsters
Oh no.

At this point they either special summon themselves or have archetypal special summon support. I don't think a normal ass tribute summon has been done in ages.

I half expect them to go back to tribute summoning for the next gimmick. Maybe something like locking off all of the cards in your extra deck and making you unlock them with their new tribute summoned cards.

They have a gimmick where the human forms bounce themselves to hand to special summon the dragon form from the hand or GY. It actually looks neat but I can see the bricks already where you have misaligned maids and dragons

wasn't this card so bad that they made a retrain of it, of some kind? I remember trying to use at after getting all hype from the anime and finding it kinda underwhelming.

shut the fuck up idiot

I want a Harpie Lady Sisters retrain so bad. It wasn't even good for its time and Harpies are fun as fuck now but they're stuck trying to force that trash card in. At least Pet Dragon can be used for unga tier rank 7 XYZ summons with Channeler, Sisters only has some weak as fuck harmony with the occasional card here and there.

has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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>she will never get an archetype
>her fairy tail manga archetype will never be made
Truly a sad truth of this world

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At least time showed that Ancient Fairy Dragon's ability was fuckin bonkers.

I don't play Magic but is that card from an older set or are all Magic cards worded in that way?

>true draco

>I want a Harpie Lady Sisters retrain so bad.
kys

Because Timelords and Zarc are jobbers. Don Thousand cards were beyond bullshit.

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That card is from a joke set and not legal in any constructed event

it's from a joke set

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Honestly it's not the summoning methods or even the wordiness of cards that's the problem with new players getting into the game, it's shit like missing the timing or what an inherent summon is (aka why Solemn Strike works on Cyber Dragon but not Monster Reborn) that I've found just frustrates people when their cards don't really work how they say they do. The game could REALLY go with a restructuring of rules to make certain things more obvious to players without having to look it up, or outright abolish some of it (like missing the timing, which has been less and less of a thing since Yang Zings fucked themselves over).

This is me.
I remember when tribute summons were new but I have no idea what all these crazy paragraphs are about. Theres a whole new deck/zone apparently.

So basically your enemy is destroyed by either not attacking, attacking this card and losing life points or constantly attacking while you had another card to sacrifice giving you more and more LP.

Interesting card but you might as well put "you win" in the description.

>Super powerful and complex final boss gets defeated by a simple, low level character
KINO youtube.com/watch?v=WoDSxUVRteg

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>weebs defending yugioh
lmao

Not really, it's basically an event-only card used at special events. Also there's several ways to get rid of this card
>Kaiju/Sphere Mode it
>literally any banish effect
>any spin/bounce effect like Madolche Tiaramisu

I've come around to Utopia in the past few years despite disliking it during Zexal. Dropping Double when someone isn't expecting it is hilarious.

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nigga you just tributed it and taste the tear of your opponent waste everything to summon it

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pendulums have literally left konami's minds. look at shit like nibiru.
links are alright and i like the concept of having something to go into even if you draw bad, but they very much create issues with how easy they are to go into.

Junk Synchro isn't that old

It dies to literally any non-destruction removal effect in the game. It dies to banish for fuck's sake; notice how it only said that it can't be "destroyed" by card effects.

this animation is cute. is the show shit?

>Gorz
God I miss him so much. He's why I still attack lowest to highest. You could also put approximately 80% of the meta traps on there because no only really runs traps that aren't Solemns, archetype-specific cards, or stuff that can be used from the hand like Impermanence.

>Another Anime waifu ugu kawaii garbage with 0 redeemable artstyle
Why is Jewnami so fucking shit and lazy

I will be dead and decaying into the ground before I miss playing against lightsworns or machinas.

I don’t play much but I had good times with this card

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He's 11 years old user.

>d.d. warrior lady and Breaker used to be some of the best cards in the game
fuck

Imagine having to read this card out to your opponent every game.

Nu-Gi-Oh cucks are embarassing.

Why? It's just north of useless now. It's barely even any good as an Elegant Egotist target, and even that's mostly due to Conductor finally being a thing so I don't have to waste a level 4 monster on that summon.

The chad of Yugioh

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holy shit....... is this real?
this is why its mtg for me.

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>Breaker and MST used to be the gold standard of spot S/T removal to where both served time being Limited
>their modern equivalents in Knightmare Phoenix and Twin Twisters will probably never be on the list (not like it matters for Phoenix unless it goes to 0)

Oh ye of little mind.

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>set Man-Eater Bug
>activate Book of Taiyou
EZ

Everyone knows how Numberronia works, brainlet

Looks like a spin off of Wakfu. Personally, I liked it, the flash animation from Season 1 is very dated but very good for the time. The Dofus movie was actually also really good.

I dont hate Yugioh
its just dealing with Koonami's bullshit that i hate

I love it when big anime/manga boss monsters can be used to fuck whatever the opponent just dropped on the board.

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1) it's not a legal card
2)you don't read it out to your opponent, it's your opponent's responsibility

>tfw try to get into yugioh
>People at local card shop get visibly upset when I need to read every card they play

It's from the Dofus TV series. Episodic, cute, entertaining. Short episodes as well; check it out. It doesn't require knowledge of Wakfu either.

Whoever does that is a jackass because people read cards even at the highest level of play.

They shouldn't be mad unless you read slowly.

okay i'll try to check it out. i see threads about wakfu/dofus a lot but i have no idea what it is. looks like an mmorpg or something but then i heard there's a show and it threw my reptile brain through a loop.

Luna deserves an archetype. She was the biggest threat to the Earthbounds and never got anything proper.

blocks your path

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They'll get to her eventually if they keep doing Legendary Duelists packs.

Numberronia can negate your attack

>Giant Cardprince.deviantart.com in larger text than the effect text
>IS THIS REAL? WOW YUGIOH WENT TO SHIT
Every time.

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It's not complicated, it just has to write all those rules because of faggots who will say "oh it doesn't mean THAT, it means THIS, which allows me to completely break the game". MTG is a huge offender of this, which is why they have a rules database on hand for each and every card.

Fuck goddamn it I always misread yugiohs stupid small ass print

How the fuck do they get new people or returning players back into this convoluted mess of a game? As a new/returning player, I wouldn't want to waste days trying to get to grips with all the bullshit. And as an old player, I wouldn't want to waste my time explaining everything to them, I wouldn't even want to play against them.

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play Tag Force

Yugioh needs a reset. You should not go through half tour fucking deck to play a game... Hold on let me replicate the experience

>summon monster to field
>monster let's you get X card from deck
>activate summoned cards ability and it allows you summon a card to field
>you can now special summon a link monster based on the 2 monsters position
>ability let's you get ANOTHER card from your deck
>X card has an ability that can be activated in your hand
>discard X card to graveyard
>let's you summon another card to field
>you can now link summon again
>new link summon let's you get another X card from your deck
>you now chose to XYZ summon a few monsters together
>the ability let's you summon a card from your hand
>now link summon again to make a boss monster
>boss monster let's you get a monster super buffed by discarding a card
>discarded card activates and you can get a magic card from deck
>magic card let's you get 2 specific cards from deck
>you finally got your field spell that let's you get X protection to shit
>put 2 cards face down that activate due to your monsters archetype
>have 3 hand traps in hand after drawing over half of your deck using using your archetypes "draw" card and some "pot of faggot" card
>YOUR TURN LOL

if a card game has you going through half of your deck in a single turn with this much shit going on the game needs to be put down to fucking die. Fuck the shit stain yugioh is.

It's really, really not as complicated as you think. There's worse rules that have basically always existed (like missing the timing) and are way harder to get someone to understand than some wordy text boxes.

Because they don't need a history lesson on the entire game or time they've been gone, all they need to do is pick up any new mechanics they missed and what's currently good.
It's seriously not that hard. If someone genuinely wanted to try, there are tutorial videos that are one google search away to the point where I don't even buy the "it's too complex" excuse. So much knowledge is at your fingertips, it's obscene.

Right now, returning players can buy 3 of the last couple structure decks and mash their best stuff together to have a mostly solid deck for learning the ins and outs of what they've missed. I don't know what new players are supposed to do though, this shit's a real headscratcher to figure out if you don't already know at least the bulk of the basics by now.

Yugioh isn't shit compared to pokemon tcg when it comes to searching and solitaire.

Because most people aren't as stupid as you. 13 years old kids play modern yugioh no problem.

sound like you get everything on youtube

Yugioh died once they turned the fusion deck into the 'side deck'. but that's a contradiction in terms seeing that you never draw from it and have access to it at all times. So what happened was you basically had a 15 card hand that you controlled from the start of the game. So people say 'oh, it was more strategy!', but that isn't true, as evidenced by the fact the top 16, and usually the top 32 at every major tournament, with a few exceptions, is literally the exact same deck. What happened is instead of relying on RNG like the old way, and having to predict what your opponent might do based on what they had in their deck and how the played/laid their field, where you had to make your strategy up on the fly, it became about OP deck comp, and duels became the same 15-20 move combinations every game. I hope I'm making sense. I couldn't play yugioh anymore because there wasn't heart in the game anymore. It was great for them from a financial standpoint, seeing that you had to have to meta deck to compete at tournaments, and they could bend the meta at will, and you needed all the cards in the deck to compete, seeing that the optimal deck allowed you to have the same starting move every time regardless of what you drew. I'm thinking of Zoodiacs in particular with elder entity norton opening. It was horrible. I would walk around tourny and watch every player doing the same opening move every time. Just horrible.

>the top 16, and usually the top 32 at every major tournament, with a few exceptions, is literally the exact same deck
Things are way more diverse than you think. Fucking Lunalights won a YCS not too long ago.

'member Zoodiac format?
'member D R A G O N format?
'member the fucking SPYRAL format?

As opposed to 24 staples decks?
Extra Deck emerged when archetypes were getting traction and archetypes made the game varied and fun at all levels but the top ones.
Now, it varies from format to format. Sometimes you will see variation, interesting strategies and old decks being work houses, other tiems you get a Salamangreats forced meta where Konami just want to push one thing so they give a particular strategy everything.
tl;dr
Game was not better, but I can understand frustrations coming from you and I do agree that Konami fucks things up and different formats are way fucking worse than others.

You mean formats that we aren't in right now?

You never played old Yugioh. Seriously, what is up with people that never played the game always shit talking modern yugioh. Old decks were full of the same staples. The same staples in every deck.

I'm happy to hear something off-meta mixed it up. It just became too much when duels were this long string of the same or very similar combo's, duels being upheld by 'can I read that?' having to explain everything. Mind you I quit around Ancient Sanctuary and used to play tournaments back then, and it was amazing, every deck you could imagine was out there. I had a roommate big into ygioh and he got me back into it, and I went to watch him in a regional, but was disheartened in what I saw

when we are hit low, its absolute low
it doesnt mean now, it maybe happened in the future where Koonami want to shill new mechanic
see the entire shitshow of Pend and Link

Yeah, I did. I'm not denying there weren't staples. I know Magic Cylender, Mirror Force, CED:EOTE, Soilder, DD Warrior, Cyber Jar, Fairy Lily, Raigeki, Snatch Steal, Tribe, dark hole, heavy storm, Harpies, Jinzo, Dark Ruler, Breaker, Yata, etx etc were staples in most decks during the time I palyed. But you actually had to draw them and didn't ahve a side deck where summoning conditions could be met relatively easy. You had to plan around what you drew and it made every duel unique and interesting. Now every duel is stale.

Off-meta mixes things up way more nowadays than it ever did back then.

>Ancient Sanctuary
That was still during the time of most decks being mostly the exact same staple cards.

>

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Where's my nigga Rescue Cat at though?

user, old yugioh decks were literally 40 card stacks of staples with no synergy other than them all being goodstuff

>Junk Doppel still managing to hang in there all these years later
What a fucking world.

I remember when having 4 Bills was broken as fuck and that's considered a bad card now, and basic unevolved pokemon have 70+ attacks now.

i still wonder why the fuck Raye still alive, and do have lots of good stuff?

>exact same staple cards

Sort of. ofc u had ur standard Raigeki's, Dark holes, mirror force, cylinder, snatch steal, pot of greed, charity, harpies, imperial, soul exch monster rebourne etc etc as pretty standard in every deck. Only a few standard monsters. The difference is that u had to draw them and know when to use them, and if u wasted one that was it. It seems to me, now, the game goes 'hmm I need to destroy a magic or trap card. Let me just easily summon a monster to do it'. 'hmm I need to destroy a monster let me easily xyz/xyncro/pend summon a monster to do it'. It isn't the same. I'm not arguing against staples, maybe I emphasized that too much in my original post. I am arguing that the game has become too complicated to the determent of original yugioh's spirit

>that's considered a bad card now
That is entirely because of how they reworked the trainer card system with supporters. I can guarantee you that if they reprinted Bill that wasn't a supporter, it would see heavy play.

>Pokemon have rotating format is still powercreeped hard than YGO
how?
also YGO do need rotating format whenever you like it or not

does the game/switch version of the game still have those incredibly retarded and gigantic watermarks on the artwork of every card saying YU-GI-OH LEGACY OF THE DUEL MASTER?
i like card games and was interested in yu-gi-oh (despite it having the worst artsyle and character design of any anime in history) but then i saw some screenshots of YU-GI-OH LEGACY OF THE DUEL MASTER and noped out hard.

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It's not even a matter of intelligence, but of tedium. How do you get someone who may be interested in the game into it when they see how convoluted everything is? "Yeah, man, just watch these tutorials on youtube, learn all of this shit, and then try the game. I swear it's good." And then how would you feel as an old player going against someone more inexperienced or completely new who needs to have shit explained to them almost every single step of the way? I'm sure it wouldn't be fun for either party.

>it made every duel unique and interesting
Do you actually believe that? Because I remember it completely different
>gets nothing but monsters in starting hand
>opponents opens with several traps cards and don't let me play the game
I wanted to kill myself. At least now you can do several different things. One card can actually make the difference.

If watching a 5 minute youtube video is too much of a time investment for you, I don't know what to tell you.

To sum up like that, the one who complain nuYugioh, is because oldYugioh is way more forgiving then current Yugioh, where is your monster get destroyed/missplaying, you still get a chance to reverting the game
its never be complicating, or too much combo
t. Duel Link player

OH NO NO NO NO NO
DON'T LET BOOMERS SEE THIS

It's just incredibly consistent and Multirole is a really stupid card (that isn't limited in the OCG unlike on our side of the game).

>be me
> haven't played yugioh in decade
>say hey I'll get back into it
>build amazoness deck with village and queen, like those cards and think they're fun
>go to my local card shop for a tournament
>everyone has zoodiac deck with norton and masterpiece
>I play a guy with said deck
>his opening turn is 15 moves, he has to explain everything to me kind of awkwardly while I nod my head, had no idea what the fuck was going on but didn't want to have him explain any further
>I lose in 3 turns
>play another guy with dark magician deck
>same thing, has to explain every little thing to me
>I just nod head again
>lose in 3 turns
>leave and never come back

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I loved the old pokemon TCG times. I had a Blastoise deck and having 4 Bill and 2 prof. Oak was the coolest shit ever. You used Breeder on your Squirtle to get him to his final form and then shit out all your water energy.

Why is this a card?

>not just playing Skeleton King Solitaire
lol

>fail to do basic research after leaving a game for 10 years
>get curbstomped
>this is the games fault
Dumb frogposter.

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Yugioh in it's earliest days was weird. I guess nowadays you could use it with Instant Fusion if you needed a Level 3 Zombie for some reason.

It only took 15 years since her release but I'm happy with how this turned out.
Fucking Shaddolls winning that poll though.

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I wish we get another Tag Force to introduce people

>watch the anime
>play YGOpro
>read info from yugioh websites
Is that really that hard? I came back and learned Synchro, Xyz, Pendulum and the new traps and spells in like 4 days.

>Link Hiita will be relevant in any deck that can summon it as long as Ash Blossom is around
Feels good man.

It will be personal preference. I don't like how convoluted the game is now. If you enjoy how it is now, more power to you, please don't mind me. For me though, yes it used to be much more unique and interesting. It used to be a blast watching tournaments back in 04-06. Now when I watch them I already know what everyone is going to do and what every move is. I used to see Berserk Gorrilla centric decks, Fiend Decks with Goblin King and Dark Ruler, the OG Toon Decks, pure beat down with Giant Orc and GAF, spirit decks, of course the painful choice exodia deck with backup soilder, og burn decks, a deck based around FINAL, a Last Turn deck, a Final Countdown deck, I used to see and play against everything and it was exciting. Any of those decks could win now, and they were sometimes pretty janky but worked. Sure, within all those you still had your standard traps and magics that were too good to pass up. But those same cards that are banned still exist in XYZ or Synchro form and can be summoned at the tip of a hat. I'm not trying to say one is more superior than the other, but the game died for ME when the side deck just came to mean 'an extra 15 card hand'. just my 2 cents. I tried to get back into the newer yugioh, but it was just way way way too complicated for me now.

>Pot of avarice is banned
Nigga what

So, if I watch that "5 minute video", would you play against me? You wouldn't mind me stopping your every move just to have you explain to me what you're doing until I'm entirely sure of what you're doing and of what will be happening?

>Jinzo still dont get new support
>Summoned Skull still dont get new support
>Barbatos still dont get new support
>but fucking Shaddoll, who used to be meta, get another support
I'M MAD

>lasted three turns
they went easy on you

>only played with one-offs back in dm era
>just go back a month ago
>practice mirror on percy
>know how to play the game now
Only brainlets who don't want to learn can't play properly.

Start playing Tag Force

>hiding beyond Field Barrier, Dark Bribe, Solemn Judgement

good luck have fun

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>mfw I did do two weeks of research and thought 'oh it doesn't seem that complicated'
>found out it is very complicated to track everything and memorize what everyone is doing so duels don't take 45 minutes
>mfw still

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>You wouldn't mind me stopping your every move just to have you explain to me what you're doing until I'm entirely sure of what you're doing and of what will be happening?
That's what they do irl, even in tournaments.

Hell yeah it does.

I'm going to go out a limb and say that guys who ran Shaddolls have all these cards they can no longer play so they figured they'd cut their losses by attempting to make Shaddolls meta again.
It breaks my heart to think people would willingly skip over older, unloved archetypes just for Shaddolls.

It's too easy to fill up the Graveyard and make Avarice live nowadays. It's apparently fine enough in the OCG to be at 3 though which is just one of those strange differences the two sides of the game have.

Yeah? I don't know why you're choosing to die on this hill, have you never played a TCG at a local scene before? New players aren't exactly a rarity, players not knowing how your cards work so you have to either let them read it or explain it isn't a rarity either.

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And I think what he's getting at is that used to NEVER happen in of yugioh. ever. and it's ridiculous it happens now

>missing the point

that's why yugioh game only fun if you play offline
PLAY TAG FORCE

>Summoned Skull still dont get new support
It did get support, In "Fist of the Gadgets"

I highly doubt you did two weeks of research if you thought amazoness would be a good pick.

There are several versions of summoned skull

Tag force special right

no it isnt
if you talking about Link, that's what they always did, just like Gaia

Sacred Beasts was winning the polls for a good portion of it's run so my theory is that Shaddolls were fudged a bit to win by Konami so they didn't have to make these fucking things playable together in the same deck (aka copious usage of "ignoring it's summoning conditions").

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What point? That dumbass up there thought time would stand still and that games wouldn't evolve? This would be no different if he brought an old unmodified Guildpact-era izzet deck to a modern tournament during eldrazi winter, or recent hogaak fuckery.

just retrain the god forsaken fusion

Imagine being Konami and thinking Sacred Beasts are just a filler option and then suddenly the fanbase puts serious consideration into wanting them so you have to lie and default to the deck which is the easiest to make.

I don't even think it was fudged, I think it was just straight up pre-determined with the poll actually just them getting an idea of what to release in the future.

>kids play yugioh

Shit that never fucking happens!!!

You're missing his point. No, it isn't difficult to learn the new game.The game is tediuous and boring now. I went on that one yugioh platform (something sun, I can't remember), and built all the meta decks and played against people with them. But my victories felt hollow, and the game didn't feelt fun. It didn't feel like I built anything or really did anything. it's stupid now and heartless, not to mention complicated. It's not bang bang anymore. It used to feel like we were really dueling wielding these monsters, traps, and magic cards at one another. It doesn't feel that way anymore. it feels like they're all disposable and i'm bring this guy on, then killing him for this guy, then bringing back the other guy when I need his effect again, it's unironically more dumbed down than before but hidden behind a complicated xyz/zynchro summoning process. The fact that this is going over your head is the funny part.

>beginners or returning players for any game, not even yugioh in particular, have never asked how a card that their unfamiliar with works in their locals before the current era
That's a big load of shit that you're trying to pull out of your ass.

>chess hasn't changed in thousands of years
>is as popular as ever and interesting as ever

Idk, you tell me dumbass. baka

>have to summon all 3 of the retards and banish them to make this dude
>for a battle immune monster that only has ATK on your turn and dies to any non battle removal options
What a fucking blunder. At least big bad boss monsters are infinitely more playable these days.

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well, kid do like to collect yugioh card
i still gift my cousin yugioh card

By playing and learning as you go dummy

I played locals and regens 04-06, never once. We all knew what they did. They didnt have 2 paragraphs of text before and we never did a 7 chain move back then

I just picked up the new game on Switch.
I understand fusions and synchros, I think Xyzs are just tributes you can pull out of your ass or something? I have no idea what's going on with pendulums but I've just randomly thrown them down and summoned like 10 fuckers in one turn somehow, no idea what's going on. No idea what's with the two spaces between the players and sometimes I summon onto them and sometimes I don't and I haven't touched a link card yet.

The fact that you're using xyz/"""""""zynchro"""""" as the boogyman tells me that you're still talking completely out of your ass and that you neither have any idea what you're talking about nor have you actually done that.
And what the hell is it with the complete inability for you people to properly spell "synchro"?

Depth is a big incentive as long as you don't frontload the newbie all at once.

>compare a trading card game, where the business model is a continuous game constantly evolving with expansion packs, to chess
Are you retarded?

I like the bulk of modern YGO shenanigans but, and this is probably a hot take, I do think special summons should have some kind of limiter so that instead of doing all of the things, you actually have to strategize a bit and pick your options more carefully. The silly protections and removals are neat but it does kinda feel a bit unga bunga with the flowchart plays unless you hand trap them.

>They didnt have 2 paragraphs of text before
They had to remove the "You can Ritual Summon this card with "Black Illusion Ritual"." bit for this fucker's first printing because it had too much text.

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Ya and he doesn't play it at all does he faggot?

The game is a fucking mess and needs a reset.

What the fuCK

>when worlds has a kid's division

What's the kid's meta like, is it more or less constricted?

I've exhausted every avenue of this discussion. The game is dead to me and it lost it's heart

Do you realize there is a league for 12 years old kids, right? They even play in the WSC

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Pendulum is the most convoluted of the new mechanics. Xyz is basically "tributing" monsters of same levels to summon them. Those tributes become "ammo" for the Xyz monster to use for their effects, so while Xyz tend to have pretty good effects, they have a limited number of uses. Links look convoluted but are super easy.

youtu.be/m3Kaq_Q4ktc?t=294
youtube.com/watch?v=DTo7pE5CJn0&

There are still boss monsters or combo extenders that are necessary to be on the board so I have no fucking clue where you get the idea that there're no iconic cards left.

it's time to play, Yea Forums. i draw a 7.

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It's mostly the same, you just have some kids bringing shit like Gren Maju to worlds or playing True Draco in a format without Diagram.

>game gets updated
>people complain

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yep from a business perspective it was great for them but ruined their game. Shame, really

Idea to fix the game. You are only able to special depending on the turn number. If it's turn 4 you can special summon 4 monsters.

There... I fixed the game for you komani AND slowed it down unlike their retarded attempted with link summons.

Then how about you don't fucking lie about it, user. Synchro summoning has not been relevant to the game at all in like 6 years.

>Don't play the game for years
>Check back
>WTF EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT AND HARD
Do you expect the game to literally never change at all or what?

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see DL meta with the fucking retarded Neos Fusion

MR cards probably had the most text, what with the toons and relinquished. That's about it though. and even toons were pretty straight forward and everyone knew what they did. pay 500 to attack, can attack directly when enemy has no toons, and can't attack turn they're summoned. That's about it though

>hasn't read a word I've said

Yikes

>but ruined their game
But it didn't?

Oops, you lose. The door of darkness has been opened.

Ok fag

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To me, yes. I've said this over and over. You can still enjoy it, I'm just stating my case for the people who used to love it and have lost enjoyment in it.

*kills your maneater bug*

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>it can negate your opponents attack
if they're attacking a card with 100,000 ATK won't they automatically lose anyway?

>I went on one yugioh platform and built all the meta decks and played against people with them
>and complains that it's dumbed down behind the xyz/""""""zynchro""""" summoning process
>when one of these haven't been used in any serious manner in years
Uh huh.

I was mostly playing XYZ and Pendulum decks

OH SHIT WHAT NOW

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wtf is double piercing battle damage?

>still no fucking retrain

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Sorry that you can't adapt to a game that even 12 year olds can grasp, faggot. Adding those numbers up and trying to keep track of those cards must hurt your head sumthin awful.

The idea was to fusion summon some weakass monster so you could tribute it in the same turn for Summoned Skull

They've been doing that for a while though, especially in the last 3 years

Oh wow... Just ban it again faggot or limit it again.

What were they even thinking with this card?

You solved nothing. Decks can get around those bottlenecks easy.

they made thunder dragon, a random common from metal raiders, an entire tier 1 archetype

Gotta make sure there's protection in case they try something sillier with an attack. That said, it doesn't protect against much beyond that so...

>I concede I'm just trying to make the case for the inumerous number of people who have real concerns with the direction the game has gone, but that if you enjoy it, more power to you
>intelligence is attacked personally and get called a faggot

lol I tried, I've made my peace and I'm out

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, retard.

I quit when they limited extra summons to 3.

>Mornarch intense
the game need to fucking slow down, not restricting special summon

I like where the game's at. This is coming from a guy that skipped the entire Pendulum era

memes

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This Mexican kid could build a wall of cards around you

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Hope you like Monarch decks.

"you still take the damage" x 2

I just want to play Code Talker Cyberse, pls no bully

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No they didn't. It looks like they did but holy shit, no they didn't.

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>You are limited to only negate up to 3 until after turn 3
Who with me?

I summon one billion

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It's in a pretty decent spot now that they've fixed some of the issues with Links (Firewall Dragon). Not perfect by any means but it's infinitely more fun on a game to game basis than it was a year or so ago.

>entire point of why people play yugioh is to play a resource-less card game
>THE SOLUTION IS MORE FLOODGATES!

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SOON

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this image is so fucking accurate it hurts. anyone who played during the 5Ds era will miss all that shit on the right.

nu-ygo players will never understand how good it felt to flip Ryko, destroy backrow, tribute him for Caius and banish a monster

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No the solution is best 2 out of 3(matches)

Like the anime, the person who isn't a poorfag will always win.

no one misses that unfair piece of shit and his sidekick Cold Wave.

>only Code Talker that sees play nowadays is Transcode and that's only for the Salamangreat fags too hipster to just play Borreload

I want him back. Literally my favourite monster design ever combining ace dragon (i.e. Stardust) with /m/ elements. Just give him the nerf bat already and push it out in some mega tin

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>tribute summons were new

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>They errate it into normal monster

>nu-ygo players will never understand how good it felt to flip Ryko
Good for them. Fuck lightsworn and fuck you for enjoying that cancer

What are some of the most expensive, useful cards?

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I dropped it in the Synchro era and my roommate getting back into the game through DSOD kinda got me to pick it up again. Looking back on it though, Synchros really weren't so bad, I just didn't understand certain key rules as a dumbass kid so my little brother caught me with cheap plays that I didn't know were against the rules at the time. I digress though, I think XYZ are great and Links mean well, but I still don't like Synchros or Pendulums as mechanics. They're fine, I just don't want to play them personally.

for all the retard kids who went by the anime rules and summoned blue eyes without tributes

Clearly the solution is to limit to 1 summon per turn, you cannot summon anything else after you summon anything in any way

>No the solution is best 2 out of 3(matches)
Have you never played in an actual tournament before? Yugioh already uses matches.

>makes deck with 40 monsters all meant to SS spam shit from the extra deck and nothing else
>WTF WHY CAN'T I KILL FLOODGATES?

CCV was probably the most expensive card to ever be meta. Remember DAD-Return/Tele-DAD where you could buy a car with how much you spent on the deck?

>hate lightsworn so much back in the day
>use 3 threatening roar to fuck with them

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Pretty sure Dark Armed Dragon hit the 300 dollar mark, maybe even 350.

A "good portion" is an understatement. Shaddolls jumped up for no reason at the 11th hour with the last poll.

FUCK PEND AND LINK

exactly

no resources, just the best from both players, and since duels don't last long, matches.

Ryko was played in EVERYTHING. at one point putting Ryko and Caius into any deck was the meta.

When is the new master rule coming? Also when is that new yugioh anime coming?

Not like any of the mechanics are mandatory to play bar Links. People keep whining about the new mechanic of the era but in the end you usually base your deck around just 1 or 2 of them at most anyway.

They should've stopped making new gimmicks after Synchro.

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Game died the moment Arc-V started the trend of endless floaters such as Burning Abyss, Shaddolls and Pendulums

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>XYZ bullshit

XYZ is the easiest fucking mechanic to understand. It's much less obtuse than even modern fusion, let alone old fusions/rituals and synchros. Pendulums are more obtuse than it, too. Only Links equal them in mechanical simplicity.

Xyz was necessary

Can someone please make a Yugioh RPG instead of another TCG simulator thanks.

THIS
I BLAME EVERYTHING ON PEND

We need more non polymerization fusion monsters

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Contact fusion is just failed pre Xyz/synchro

What would happen if LP default was 10000-16000 instead?

>We will never have Duelist of the Rose sequel
>We will never have Falsebound Kingdom sequel
ITS NOT FAIR, BRO

Pends seem so unappealing to me - they don't seem fun to either deal with as opposition or have them get gimped by backrow pressure. I mean, pic related just stops the mechanic in its tracks, how is that any fun to deal with?

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They should put rituals in the extra deck then

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Pic related gets banned and nothing else really changes.

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doesnt matter
the moment opponent success building his own unbreakable board before you do, he win

Yup.
I'm done with yugioh.
I'm not interested on them anymore.

>card looks fucking badass
>can't be used

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Guys, what's a cute deck type? I've wanted to make one for a while now.

A lot of OTKs go out the window but otherwise, eh.

Maldoche

Definitely meant ritual summon but was thinking about someone else's post.

I blame mobages

Soon every card will be a human like cardfight vanguard oh wait nobody remembers that

Madolches are cuter than buttons but getting the good shit to make it pop is pretty damn pricey.

And ruin all the cards that supports Rituals in the main deck, effectively making them utterly useless?

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lunalight

wait
evry card isnt already?

make it the next yugimon gimmick then

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They didn't? I thought with link summoning they changed how special summons from The extra deck worked?
To prevent the camver yugioh had become.
I guess I can dust off my spellcaster and dragon deck.

nah we still need to have cool robots and dragons(ones that aren't humans)

There's traptrix but I have no idea if they're any good. There's also witchcrafters but they're confirmed not good. Like everyone else is saying; Madolche is your best bet in terms of cuteness to function ratio but the caveat is that they're EXPENSIVE as fuck.

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Deck Master, where if you used it, you cannot special summon ED monster, unless you Special Summon Deck Master into the field

>Links look convoluted but are super easy.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the way you summon them is similar to xys in that you tribute the amount of monsters shown in the link number on the bottom right but you have to have the type requirement on the card for example
Link 3 + 2 effect = 2 man eater bugs and anything else

we can only hope that modders make fan-made sequels to the games. People have already made a ton of mods for the PS1 Forbidden Memories.

It only failed because of the retarded self bounce mechanic at end of tuern and no consistency for getting Neos itself.

>Everything is either dragon or machine
what about cool zombie ?

>All of its is 3ds
if only, user
if only

Out at once, yes. Pends can get fucked. But in return, links are so damn easy to use that you can cycle through extra deck summons like a motherfucker. Summon something, have it do its job, then swap it out for a link and do more shit.

>what about cool zombie ?

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post shitty card edits

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>tfw any archetype that exploits battle positions is shit now
thanks konami its not like i like karakuris ghostricks or anything

fuck you 5head-chan
on seriously, i want something that look menacing

nigga fuck zombies

more fish when

Yeah, Links are honestly just XYZ with the level requirements removed and effects no longer dependent upon materials.

Correct. Also Link monsters themselves can be counted towards the total Link rating requirement for summoning or just 1. For example:
>Summoning Link 3 monster (requires 2+ effect)
>Link materials used: 1x Link-2 effect monster + 1x effect monster
So link monsters can either be as link material(s) equal to 1 or its total link rating.

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Alright glad I'm on the right path, been trying to get back into YGO recently.

>Fur Hire
I will never forgive those fuckers. Fuck localization.

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Gheey

>draw an alive girl
>call it a zombie

now this is a zombie done right

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Grow a sense of humor if you think Fur Hire was bad mr. stick up your ass

>base 2000 level 4 normal monster

I can't help but feel nostalgic every time I see an instance of this.

>funny joke pun, very clever, please laugh

Melodious are cute.

Time to start playing again.

Now that almost a decade has passed, can we all agree these were good main characters?

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they should give support for 2000 normal monster
also i feel like there are so little card that support that based on ATK/DEF stat, not counting mornarch

Remember when we used equip magic cards to make our monsters stronger?

This. The only "complicated" thing about Yugioh is learning what all the archetypes do, and new summoning mechanics take about 30 minutes to learn, if that. Issue is a lot of people see bloated text on cards and then refuse to learn the game because of it.

This really is every game. Any archetype that doesn't have to use the extra deck often is so fucking nice to play in my opinion. However newer archetypes that don't use the extra deck often normally have around 3 paragraphs of text per card.

A card game should make every card have weight on the field. Decks shouldn't have 95% if the cards in it just to get a boss monster at the end of a combo. If the only purpose of a card is to simply get to a more powerful card that is bad and horrible game design. All you fucking do is make the card game into a chore.

Thank God I love magic.

were those archetypes ever relevant?

Melodious gud when? Ostinato's great and all but aside from pic related and Aria/Elegy locks it doesn't really have any great plays, and even then the latter's only really a decently potent stall.

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>Reading comprehension and literacy on the downturn
Makes sense

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Anyone excited for Link Evolution? What decks are you building?

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>The only "complicated" thing about Yugioh is learning what all the archetypes do, and new summoning mechanics take about 30 minutes to learn, if that
That's fucking bullshit
the goddamning ruiling is goddamn retard
example: miss timing

I need the pack-in cards. Fuck KoA for packing them in as promos despite being so crucial to Code Talkers

I'm excited for the prismatic secrets of the new Noble Knight cards

That card is actually really good in speed dueling.

The way Magic avoids this is by banning most of the card pool in the primary formats so they can carefully control how the game is played.

>melts your brain

that's combo deck
play anything that isnt combo deck

They could just stop making new XYZ/pendulum/link monsters, but that will never happen lol money

Effect timing is the only actually hard part about YGO.

No, it's just cheap re-release of a cheap game that has been at the bottom of the the dollar bin for three years.

yeah dude

It isn't retarded at all. If you can learn Magic you can learn Yugioh.

oops forgot image

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So did they feel actual pain during duels or were the blood curling screams just role-play

youtu.be/ROCevLH6PGQ

i liked them
i dont gave shit if they were tier0

Kaibacorp is a retooled weapons manufacture organization.

Probably never.

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Was it autism?

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Retard, about 95% of the meta is combo shit. These decks that don't use the extra deck often suck ass.

>summon monster to field
>react by negating its effect
>they either set pass or continue with a butchered combo, which you can still interrupt if you have the cards to do so
Like if you people actually learned the game you would know that the play half your deck meme is far more uncommon than it sounds, even in the current garbage format the game is in.

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It was mondo super autism. Being staggeringly autistic is an important part of doing stupid and cool things.

Do you know what i hate about yugioh?
Fucking rank4toolbox
its shape a goddamn game
>Any deck that worth any shit need a way to shit out level 4 to actually compete, leading into alots of deck lost it gimmick and playing the same
>With alots of deck that only specify at shit out level 4, the demand to rank 4 got increase, force them to create more broken rank 4

Monarchs will rise again

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Rank 4s are trash now though, in fact XYZ in general are.

yeah, now Link serve the same purposed

They should ban all solemn cards

Actually, because rank4 is so good, they was force to create something that powercreeped it, and to make it worth, actually fuck over EVERY single ED monster

Not him but I don't know much about the meta. How is a mechanic as dirt simple as XYZ trash now? I can't imagine Links hitting them nearly as hard as Pends and they're still easier to shit out than almost any other special card type.

Ahahahahahha fuck no. As someone that plays both that is maybe the dumbest statement I ever heard. Magic is 10 times easier to learn and play.

Yugioh has so much shit people need to remember due to every card having an essay on it. I just play magic with my friends and stopped trying to teach them yugioh. It is by far the worst designed card game in existence that needs to be reset or changed. I recommend anyone to any other card game than yugioh. Worst part is yugioh is not as popular anymore compared to magic. And the average person at your locals that plays yugioh is an autistic shit compared to normal people who play magic the gathering.

Something has to be done to the game. The wwr for the spark magic set got so many people back into magic again. Yugioh is losing players more and more to duel links or better card games.

Oh and yugioh barely exist in Europe also.

>Worst part is yugioh is not as popular anymore compared to magic.

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Autism but also anger.

As someone who learned to play Yugioh before magic, the combat rules of magic confused the shit out of me, and don't even get me started about stuff like "tapping." I understand it all now, but there are parts of both games which literally make no goddamn sense if you started on the other one.

Of course, this post is just massive bait, so I don't know what I'm even trying.

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>equip cards
I was 8 and even I figured out those were shit. Dark Hole, penguin soldier, man-eater bug and hane-hane fucked any equip card using shitter.

i'm just choose miss timing, because its easier to talk about, than say
>"target the set card; destroy it" vs "target the set card; destroy the target"
or
>Darkworld Snoww

You honestly think yugioh is more popular than magic? What stupid ass small little world do you live in? There is no comparison to the two.

The Eastern market exists

Whatever happened to the yugioh card games? Used to be you could unlock shit and play with tons of ai opponents now its all

>online multiplayer
>gachashit
>incompetent devs and horribly balanced metas a la HS, Shadowverse etc
>YGO Pro is decent but Percy cant into link summon AI

Card games are shit now.

presumably it's there in case you attack it with this, or some card that's like "your opponent loses lifepoints from battle instead of you" (i don't know if that card exists)

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TFW there will never be an archetype that lets you put the ol' fear of god into your opponent's heart by tribute setting a monster

Konami stop making game

>b bait

Don't be a fucking idiot. What fucking retard honestly believes magic is harder to learn? Everyone I taught magic to learned it in 1 game can you say the same for yugioh? Don't be a retard. Yugioh has so much shit you need to remember for activations and combos. Magics mana limit keeps it very simple.

Is it some kind of stand against Gacha?

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How the fuck do I even get into Yu-Gi-Oh at this point? It feels like it would be akin to jumping into Street Fighter against people who have been playing 2 since the arcades this late into its life.
Are there any online ways to play?
Can any of them emulate opening pack of cards yourself?

PLAY TAG FORCE

Am I missing something, or would this card get shit on by Relinquished

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Ahahahahahaha

Magic is more played in Japan now in 2019 than yugioh retard. This ain't 2006 anymore moron. It's losing players everywhere. Magic even released Japanese only art on jap boxes that are worth shit loads of money from famous Japanese artist. The war for the spark set exploded magic more.

>tribute setting

The problem with that is there's no active effects, which means it can't do shit against creative enough removal, even as a punish. Willy nilly attacking a face down, sure. The flip mechanic has taken advantage of that since the game began. But anything that just removes or bounces back a card would just wreck it.

No, it gets shit on by anything that targets but doesn't destroy.

just Compulse it lmao

The big thing about yugioh and that sets it apart from other games is that it is extremely easy to out things compared to how difficult it is to put things on the board. Especially with the new handtrap Sphere Mode.

Pends were complete and utter dogshit until eMEMe and Dracopals, there was not a single good Pend deck until them.
And even today the only decent Pend deck is PendMagicians and they're T2 at best.

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If I were trying to push this theoretical deck, I'd probably make a field spell that protected face-down monsters from card effects, and a level five flipper that can discard to search it. Still would be jank as fuck though.

>Magic is more played in Japan now in 2019
citation needed

That's such a chad effect.

Qlis were pretty good weren't they?

daily reminder magic fags are eternally seething
Yea Forums is a ygo board

I miss inputting the number on the cards into games to unlock the card in the games
Why'd they stop doing this? It wasn't like they'd started adding microtransactions the games yet when they stopped doing this.

Yeah, some things are just hard to work. Good example, I love Witchcrafter's recycling jank on paper but it lacks the speed, support or plays to be much of anything right now. But I do like the one trick it has for shiggles.

Literally too complicated for my gamer. Yugioh was fun as a kid but this shit is retarded.

So, the funny thing is that Duel Masters has this same problem. There's a new game-changing mechanic coming out every 3-4 months, keywords are changed in the same timeframe so you can't use your old cards with new ones, and there's all kinds of dumb shit.

>Nirvana High Paladin has literally never seen any form of competitive play
Nirvana High Paladin is a common inclusion in Zefra. Moreso pre-MR4 than now, but still.
There's a nice combo with it:
>Pend Summon Zefrawendi, Zefraxi and one of the Zefra Knights
>sync 6 for Stardust Charge Warrior, stack a handtrap with Oracle of Zefra and draw it with Stardust Charge
>sync 10 for Nirvana High Paladin and add back a spell

It's a natural extension for when you have Stardust Charge Warrior on the board and in Zefra you ALWAYS want to make Stardust Charge Warrior as part of your combo to grab a disruption. Nirvana High Paladin is extremely niche, but it is good at what it does.

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Man, passwords were the best shit with the 5th/6th gen YGO games.

DM seems to have died in the states and I kinda hate it because I liked it back when they tried. Not so much the anime, but the game was fun.

First of all, that card is fake. Second it's very very simple, it just does a lot of stuff. You already that this though didn't you?

Synchros were the best addition to the game, XYZ were more degenerate but still fun, Pendulum ruined it, LINKS ruined it irreparably.

Subterrors

Yugioh looks like THAT?

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Tragic.

>this shit is retarded
PSCT is like legal text. It has to be that way, because it's unambiguous. There is EXACTLY one way to read PSCT and it means EXACTLY what it says.
This is really important for cards like Sky Striker Airspace - Area Zero to function the way they should.

That doesn't stop it from being bafflingly terrible sometimes .

I wish our borders had inspectors :(

Truth

>Pendulum ruined it
When is this meme gonna stop? Pendulums didn't do shit, rank 4 toolbox was by far the worst thing about MR3.

seizures activate

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I always thought synchros were lame. Modern fusion is better than synchros, only reason it wasn't back then was because of the retardedly specific recipes. I just kinda see it as the thing that happened between classic YGO and the XYZ era.

What the fuck were they thinking?

Qlis were good, but they were very much not a Pend deck.
They were your usual tribute summon-based stun deck, similar to Monarch and True Draco later on. They just used Pend to cheese out tributes.

Or just points to buy packs, which you got by playing.

That is definitely some card art. What's the V stand for, though? Back in my day, that was just how much mana the card was worth.

It's all the anime's fault. The need to stop making new anime with new gimmicks.

But then again a decade from now, they'll probably run out of ideas or players will get too pissed at all the new bullshit.

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it was lucky they still keep border in yugioh

Fuck I dunno, I'm just wondering why the designers don't put fucking drop shadows on the text

>we still dont have Fusion using spell as material

Waiting for support. Comboing him with Rush Recklessly is fun but not even tier 10.

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Imagine, for a single moment of your life, paying over $1,000 for a goddamned Red Eyes Black Dragon. Fucking imagine the absolute state of one's life that would lead them into making that decision.

who the fuck misses don zaloog?

Synchro fuck them over
ED used to be unlimited, you can bring all the card you want into game

>ED used to be unlimited

Okay, but did that actually mean anything in classic YGO?

Kaiba had to blackmail 3 dudes to death to get his Blue Eyes if I remember correctly.

Rarities in the yugioh anime world is probably similar to 1% drop rates I imagine.

>haven't played game in decade
>make deck without checking what the meta is or looking up new rules
>enter competitive tournament without any practice what so ever
>surprised when you lose

3 of every HERO fusion if you were a fucking weirdo.

I like this deck, but where is the Time Thief suipport?

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As much fuckery as Yugioh has its still in the right place as a card game. At least it costs nothing and there's no bullshit unlocks hidden behind a skill wall unlike a certain other garbage mobage.

It's like TF2 hats, but instead of hats it's cards that give you an advantage in the game/tourneys

:^)

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No seriously
Why dont we have rotating format and save us from trouble
>m-muh old card
oh please, its going to get powercreeped into obilivion anyway

>time thief
Azathoth is banned, user.
Just forget Time Thieves ever existed.

Seems accurate

Well we kind of do, it just wasn't used outside of the legendary dragons if I remember right.

But in a world where Blue-Eyes, Dark Magician and Summoned "Big Boner Bulldozer" Skull exist, why would you do this?

There is literally no way to powercreep Painful Choice, the objectively most powerful card in yugioh.

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>ルフト
>エルデ
Are they Scandinavian dragon maids? That's a weird pull

I'm eager to see if the game will self destruct in a way in the future.

I mean the only reason they keep making new summoning gimmicks is due to the fucking anime. They need to go to the old GX days.

no
only Kaiba's Legendary Dragon do, and its only Trap
Yugi one used Dark Magician as material

How is this card any good? You go -5

those cards are probably twice the price of red eyes

poorfags gonna red eyes

>I'm eager to see if the game will self destruct in a way in the future.
Given that we just got a Quick-Play Sphere Mode, self-destruction by powercreep seems to be the trajectory we're on.

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this is bait

I mean, Foolish Burial is a neg 2.

this is just weaker Ash
Ash can stop the combo right on spot

Actually wait that's German isn't it? Either way their names are kinda dumb

>what is Claw of Hermos

I love yugioh but this poster is absolutely right

Really? Do tell

Monster as material

do people think cards in grave are a bad thing? the grave is a second hand for most decks

>During the Main Phase, if your opponent Normal or Special Summoned 5 or more monsters this turn

Well, at least they seem aware of how fucked special summoning is these days.

Many decks can play through Ash and Ash is OPT. You can also hit Ash with Called by the Grave and negates.
Ash just isn't really as good as she used to be.

Did you want a fusion of two spells into a monster or something?

its still
>I stop your combo, now lets me show you my combo

I'm more pointing out that very specific activation condition. They know how this shit works.

Yes?

Is Stardust Dragon still useful of has he been powercreeped?

We had those a while back

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the rock can send all monsters on your opponent's side of the field to the GY and bypasses normal protection. Ash can be negated by called by the grave and doesn't break boards.
Still the rock is probably going to be just a side-deck option.

I don't think I need to tell you why that wouldn't happen.

how can you be so retarded to never invent keywords for stuff?
are they for real?

Stardust is a card that exists, but not really worth making anymore.
Nobody really plays destruction atm, due to all the negates and destruction immunity running rampant.
If destruction comes back, Stardust can still be a niche card.

they know that
they always know that
that doesnt mean they can stop
they was force to continue
i already explain the issue in rank4toolbox comment

A 2500 ATK body that negates destruction effects is not that hard to run over. Using it as an Assault Mode fodder is more useful.

Keywords mean sacrificing flexibility in effects.
The current system of having wordy legalese text on the cards means you can design basically any effect.

>OPT destruction protection

Meh. Doesn't really do anything against current viable removal options. His effect can be bypassed pretty easily.

Make this the new master rule.

There I fixed the game. Hire me Konami.

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I can't do it bros. I stuck with this game since Duelist Kingdom. I played it from first grade all the way through college. I learned and accepted all the new summoning mechanics without complaint, but Links? Fuck this shit. I can accept new additions to an old game, but Links introduced an entire MASTER RULE that fucked the state of the game completely.

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I'd prefer if they would turn the protection effects of monsters into symbols, like a shield with an image of an explosion to denote immunity to destruction effects or a shield with a target on it to denote immunity to targeting. It would shorten the texts so much.

>burn intense
just give us Deck Master

>Battle Phase
>impacting anything

I mean, you shut down stuff like Amazoness even harder but this doesn't change shit. If you want to attack a phase, look at Main Phase 1.

I don't need more than one monster or more than one attack to OTK.

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Literally every card does something differently. So you can't keyword everything. Magicfaggots don't realize this because they can't read more than 3 words.

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Keep playing Legacy of the Duelist then. I think it's the last good game before links.

they need at least 3 season of not touching ED ever again for people to get used to it
like actually start creating new ability card(Spirit/Toon/Gemini/Union)

Well that duel specifically is real because the Seal of Orichalcos is in play but for the most part it's just role play.

new master rule:

XYZ monsters can't attack on the turn they're summoned because fuckem

Once you get used to Links they aren't THAT bad. The problem is more how exploitable they are rather than what they do to other ED monsters.

What does this solve?

The fact that everyone hates XYZ.

make this card new rule

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No, because there's very strange protection effects out there.

I don't.

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no, people hate Pend and Link more
.... Okay maybe they do hate Rank4

looks like you're going to the shadow realm, jimbo

One, drawing that many basic monster cards in a row would suck dick. Two, that's probably the hardest Yami went on someone since mind crushing Kaiba.

You hate it. It's probably my favorite of the extra deck monster types.

Make Spell Cards require resources to be activated like the Speed Counter on Riding Duels.

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>Ranks above 4 are logically more difficult to get out
>they ALWAYS have shittier effects than something you can pull out of the rank 4 toolbox
Why bother summoning a beefy Rank 6 when you can just Utopia into Utopia The Lightning for the tenth duel in a row?

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They were still figuring things out. Cards like this kinda serve as a "proof of concept" for the fusion mechanic.

Dimension summon when

>every card has a weight amount
>use your swole muscles to lift that much weight or else your monster sucks dick
>games are now based on actual physique like sports and shit rather than logic

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>Literally every card does something differently

not really you just picked a card that happens to be that way

>must be summoned by it's effect and can't be special summoned in other ways
wow because that isn't literally in half the cards in yugioh

>this card cannot be destroyed by card effects
another super special effect never seen before

>when this card destroys an opponent monster by battle
no guys everything is so unique we can't use keywords

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>yfw Speed World becomes the new master rule

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XYZ is fine though.

Is there an effect version of Mist Body yet?

Obligatory end of thread Vanguard post

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I mean abbreviate the most common ones. Immunity to destruction, targeting and monster/spell/trap effects or card effects are very common in yugioh.

Do you know what the different betwen
>Target the set card; destroy it
and
>Target the set card; destroy the target

I'm getting rused here, right? Spell activations and battle phases have nothing to do with what's fucked about modern YGO. The problem is being able to summon a dozen monsters in a turn with no drawbacks. The special summon mechanic needs some kind of rebalancing as it's extravagantly exploitable.

Backrow doesn't need more nerfs when monster effects are too strong.

Go on google and pick out any Link monster, see if you can keyword it, go on

I dunno, Big Eye's not too shitty on paper.

What if we just make monsters cost lifepoints?

Anyone remember Magi-Nation on GBC?

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They already started rebalancing the ED meta by adding new floodgates like hand traps. Links were just an excuse to make money.

nigga I miss Don Zaloog fuck you
I love the Dark Scorpions no matter how terrible they are

1, compare to ... ?
for everytime you name 1 good non-rank 4 xyz, i name 1 lswarm xyz monster

at least we got columns out of the way. Dunno how they can fuck it up even more than specific slots on the field.

Life points don't matter until you're at 0. If you can spam your board it doesn't matter how low you get since you can just shut down your opponent with a million effects

Do you want to know how we could fuck over Special summon spam?
3 Zone, 5 ED

Just make a card that makes your opponent lose 1000 life points for every extra deck summon in a turn.

Dark Scorpions are fun as hell in old school YGO games like Tag Force 1-3.

Point being, you said they ALWAYS have shittier effects. Dracossack's another one that's not too bad either since that can shit out tokens for generic Links.

Should just have monster sizes like in Buddyfight. Limits the board and keeps certain effects in check. Maximum of 12 levels/ranks on the field at once maybe? XYZ materials would count to this limit

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we need more counter traps to fuck with effect timing

You still need to draw into it with a 3/40 chance at least.

at most*

Dragon Rulers were all level 7 and spammable... really activates my almonds...

Limit the Extra Deck to 5

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I don't think limiting potential options solves the problem of how easy it is to get said options out.

Ban every Synchro card and beyond. Re-release the cards as retrained Effect Monsters.

Holy Shit Konami Hire me

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Cries in Pot of Extravagance.

exactly
Duel Link prove that 3 zone 5 ED fuck any combo deck hard

okay wait

one synchro, xyz, link summon per turn

DL prove that by doing so, it kill any ED archtype, with exception where boss monster is ED(Six Ham), or card using as little resource as possible (1 card fusion)

Don't need to kill archetypes though, that's not the point. Just slow things down enough to where you can still play the game but you can't full on lizard brain the thing either.

It's funny how Special summoning is easier and more common than Normal summoning nowadays.

Yugioh is fine, just like, stop printing shit you KNOW will be degenerate, like GDs, Dangers and Saryuja.

The game would ironically slow the fuck down, possibly back to classic levels of speed, if normal summons were unlimited but special summons were limited to 1 per turn.

That's what Magic cards and trap cards are for. And I'm talking not talking about shit like allure of darkness. But more defensive stuff to protect your monste-

remember putting monsters in defense mode?

>remember putting monsters in defense mode?
people still do that, you just can't keep it like that forever.

Yes, I do remember putting my effect monster so that my borrelsword can otk.

putting my effect monster on defense mode*

I bet the next gimmick will be fucking hand monsters or something

you mean like Ash Blossom & -90 dollars

Ash Blossom dropped in price ever since the Salamangreat structure deck.

Deck Master

ONE DAY THEY WILL BE META AGAIN

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The next gimmick will be a Dungeon Dice Monsters revival.

Just unban Grass lol

New master rule: you start with 16000 lifepoints if you have no extra deck

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A bit of Chaos spice could help it.

Put the Forbidden Memories crest thing as a gimmick

demise td T0 lmao

ban diagram first