>make Darksiders 1, 2 and 3 really fun and cool action games >make the 4th game an action game... >using a fucking top down camera like a Moba or Diablo clone
Why? Why do this? What's the fucking point of all the high detail in character models and environments when you can't truly enjoy any of it due to the fucking camera?
These type cameras suck ass, they make everything look tiny as shit, like you're playing in a fucking dork's diorama project for school and not an actual living breathing world. Is this company hard up for money or something? Cameras like this were only used due to technical limitations in the past, there is no fucking reason any modern game should be doing this. They basically killed this game before release.
Yeah but it's still using a shit camera, why? Imagine if Capcom did this, and there was some DMC spinoff with a fucking moba camera, how pissed fans would be. It's fucking retarded. That kind of camera has no business being in an action game, period.
Robert Lee
Relax. All they did was turn an hack n slash, into an hack n slash.
i wonder if anyone under 30 will even understand this joke
Camden Diaz
It's not the 4th game, doofus. It's a spinoff made by a different dev than D3, who're working on D4 right nao.
Nigga we get it, you don't like diablo games. Nobody gives a fuck because the Switch version of Diablo 3 sold a metric fuckton so the devs are seeing dollar signs.
Cope, dilate, or get the fuck out. Pick your poison.
Carter Harris
No one has ever tried it. I like isometric camera because you can make the enemies faster and more aggressive with it. We'll see I guess.
Sebastian Sanders
>What if we could get the hack and slash fans Another case of "Let's make a x game for the y players that doesn't play x games"
Wyatt Thompson
It isn't a Diablo game though, it's a full on action game with combos and movement shit like climbing but with a shit camera. They literally took Darksiders and said hey lets fuck the camera up. Diablo is just a shitty loot game where the goal is to aoe one shot all enemies onscreen.
Enemies in traditional action games are plenty fast and aggressive, look at DMC 5 and Ninja Gaiden series. All this camera does is ruin how the game looks, and makes it feel like you're playing a fucking moba.
Nathan Perry
You're retarded. Enemies in DMC aren't aggressive for the most part and now body crying about this camera should be talking about NG, which has a completely dogshit camera.
Blake Hughes
Gotta be honest I don’t like the isometric shit either.
they should have made a sequel to battlechasers with this gameplay instead. would have worked much better and also battlechasers has a better art style anyway
Isaac Thomas
>Enemies in DMC aren't aggressive
Fury. Those butcher dudes with the meat cleavers. Now what?
And NG camera wasn't great but it's better than a moba camera. Least you could enjoy how visceral the combat was up close and enjoy the beauty of the models and textures and environments. This game looks like I'm staring at some diorama from above. It looks awful and not like a real action game, plus the gameplay will suffer since you can't do traditional action game controls for that camera. It's gonna play like a goddamn Moba.
Robert Lewis
Anyone else just happy we'll finally see an end to this series?
Doesn't matter if it's bad since the decline in quality is obviously but having that sense of closure will be nice.
Yeah, the closure from the game turning into a moba, nice
Carson Sanders
>Why? Why do this? Because they know they are not up to snuff to do action game with guns only. We only have Vanquish, RE6 and Lady in DMC4 and some of them are not even that good.
Jason Cruz
Damn ONE WHOLE ENEMY! Well I guess I was wrong about everything after all. "No". They stand around and twiddle their thumbs. NG has garbage camera. If you don't like it, don't play it.
Dylan Sanchez
How the fuck else do you do the final game with Strife with him having two fucking guns and no melee?
Take away both guns and shove Wars sword in his hand? Then whats the point in having Strife in the first place? I would love to see them lean into the whole lone gunslinger on an open range idea but that hardly matches up with the contained stupid Zelda dungeons and block puzzles.
Alexander Young
its cheaper to make and they don't give a fuck they're in it for the money
Joseph Williams
Then give the dude melee attacks, don't turn the game into a fucking moba because you think you can't do gun combat right.
Henry Thompson
Top down camera is definitely better for shooting gameplay
Thomas Edwards
>NG has garbage camera.
Least NG garbage camera is an actual action game camera and not a MOBA CAMERA. Enjoy this game looking like shit made for ants, I bet you can't even make out any details on Strife's character model lmao
Nathan Bell
Its not a moba you thick cunt its just another Lara Croft and the... game, even down to the co-op aspects. It will control like a twin stick shooter which is about as far away from a moba as you can get.
Kayden Lewis
It will be melee oriented stuff with guns like in Bayo.
Anthony Jenkins
The thing is that Genesis is a spinoff people will play while waiting for Strife's game you fool.
Connor Bennett
Have you heard of twin stick shooters? That moba argument is completely ridiculous
No it isn't, and every good shooter every made would like a word with you.
Lincoln Stewart
Twin stick shooters are trash, and look and feel similar to mobas anyway, just with aiming. It's garbage and not a real action game. This company is lazy as shit.
>its cheaper to make and they don't give a fuck
This. You can go on youtube and see tons of people churning out these moba looking games in unreal engine 4, cuz they're piss easy to make and any idiot with no money can do them .
Kayden Scott
Oh fuck right off you retard. I think this stands as the most stupid fucking thread I've seen on this place.
Serious question here, how fucking old are you?
Christian Rodriguez
darksiders 3 was sjw shit and the series is dead.
Colton Morales
What's bad? Ok take that screen you posted. Now imagine if you had a normal camera, and could see the models up close. Imagine all the detail you're missing with that isometric camera. It's fucking awful. A normal action game is like taking a stroll through a really nice city, these isometric cameras are like flying over the city in a helicopter, you lose so much doing that and can barely enjoy the scenery cuz it looks tiny.
Evan Davis
Aren't all Darksider games different, even if they're in the same genre?
Dominic Morgan
Not to the point of turning them into a moba
James Kelly
It's a non canon spinoff, idiot.
Andrew Barnes
It's the 4th game in the series, regardless if it's a spinoff or not. And the camera ruined it. Dumbass, go play LoL and stfu.
Dominic Carter
>isometric camera = moba camera You're retarded >you can't make a good action game with an isometric camera Wonderful 101 proves you 100% wrong. It's better than all 3 darksiders games. >Twin stick shooters are trash, and look and feel similar to mobas anyway, just with aiming. >mobas all use shitty mouse clicking to move >somehow twinsitcks feel at all similar Not to mention there are twin stick games better than the darksiders games to begin with. Nex machina comes to mind. Furi is also good and it uses twin stick controls.
Eli Gomez
>Wonderful 101 proves you 100% wrong. It's better than all 3 darksiders games.
Too bad real action games like DMC 5 shit all over Wonderful 101. Who the fuck wants to control tiny ant people in tiny low detail environments when you can see full scale fully hd models with hd textures up close?
Charles Flores
Imagine being this much of a smoothbrain.
Hudson Edwards
>low detail environments when you can see full scale fully hd models with hd textures up close? Irrelevant to making a good game. If that's you're qualification then >DMC 1,3 >viewtiful joe 1,2 >NG 1 Black >God hand Are all shit because they aren't hd. This is the reasoning of simple minded fool.
Yeah man, look at that, way better than walking through the streets yourself, much better for shit to look tiny and have little detail!
Bentley Collins
You can fully immerse yourself in the world of a game with a real camera, isometric camera kills immersion because it looks like you're playing with a children's toy. It's that simple.
William Thompson
Are you intentionally making terrible arguments? Or are you actually this dumb?
Logan Nelson
Looks better than 3 Seriously I know the devs went bankrupt then came back out of nowhere, but why the fuck did they tried to make it more like Dark Souls? At first I thought it's gonna be like the first one instead of the second, but it kinda went the "just make it difficult instead of well thought" route Not to mention Fury looks ugly as shit
>defending low quality lazy textures and models and environments for the sake of a shitty camera
Connor Harris
>moba camera ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM
Julian Clark
Fury looks like someone wanted to add Lelith Hesperax from Warhammer 40k but wasn't talented enough to actually make her look attractive.
Jose Wood
Imagine looking at a videogame and being immersed by a camera angle. This is pure soi
Hunter Sanchez
Diablo sucks too, retard. Boring ass grind game where the end goal is to aoe one shot all enemies onscreen. It's why Path of Exile is shit too.
Ethan Gomez
Imagine wanting to play a game where you can't see shit or make out details in anything due to a shit camera.
Christian Ortiz
>Diablo is the only other isometric game ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM
Noah Edwards
Not every game needs to be "immersive". None of the darksiders games have been and thats fine. Farther back camera means flaws are hidden and textures dont look like ass whenever you walk near them. This also means that since less time is spend on a single texture or model, there can be more unique ones in the game. You can see more of the area at a time so enemies/combat can be more complex and challenging. Etc. There are pros and cons. But I'm sensing you're one of those smoothbrained retards who can't play any older games because "its too old and ugly". If you only care about textures and models just go jerk off to modded crysis, because its never getting better than that.
Christopher Mitchell
>isometric camera kills immersion because it looks like you're playing with a children's toy. Not sure how you can argue this when none of the action games listed are really immersive at all. Did all dmc games before 5 hurt you with their abundance of fixed camera rooms?
Luke Martinez
>Farther back camera means flaws are hidden and textures dont look like ass whenever you walk near them. >This also means that since less time is spend on a single texture or model, there can be more unique ones in the game.
Ie. excusing laziness from game devs
Also name a game with an isometric camera that had more complex enemies/combat than games like Ninja Gaiden and DMC, this should be good for a laugh
Angel Young
NG and DMC had repeated and/or blurry textures, that's just laziness from the devs.
James Robinson
least I could see the characters and the action close up, isometric camera makes you feel like a cuckold
Gabriel Martinez
If you feel like a cuck thats your own problem that you shouldnt be blaming on a game. Maybe talk to the people cucking you instead of getting angry and confused at a camera angle.
>how you imagine plaing rts and citybiulders in fp and tp?
Christian Parker
It's a spin-off retard.
Carter Gonzalez
It's more of a Gauntlet clone than anything else. Also third-person shooting has always been awkward in Darksiders. Removing the z-axis will make playing Strife easier.
I can see enough details to understant the area the character is in, furthermore the camera allows me to gauge the position of the character in relation to enemies and other important elements making it easy to assess the situation quickly without having to pan the camera around.
Bentley Morris
You can't see enough detail to notice the textures in the characters skin and outfit, and the environment is barebones and lazily made. Quit defending this shit and trying to make it seem like it makes a game more tactical, this isn't a fucking military sim.
